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"I agree... Zero tolerance " deffo agree | |||
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"You cant have zero tolerance though, due to medication, food with alcohol in it etc." That's what I was wondering, would food with alcohol in it count, or does the alcohol burn away during cooking? | |||
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"You cant have zero tolerance though, due to medication, food with alcohol in it etc." ok i maybe worded it wrongly,if they are gonna lower it then it should be a blanket level for everyone not just one class of vehicle | |||
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"You cant have zero tolerance though, due to medication, food with alcohol in it etc.ok i maybe worded it wrongly,if they are gonna lower it then it should be a blanket level for everyone not just one class of vehicle"   | |||
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"You cant have zero tolerance though, due to medication, food with alcohol in it etc.ok i maybe worded it wrongly,if they are gonna lower it then it should be a blanket level for everyone not just one class of vehicle" totally | |||
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"Commercial vehicles are work vehicles I agree a zero tolerance should be placed on these vehicles" yeah but as greig pointed out some foodstuff and medicines(including toothpaste),can give a reading of alcohol being present so a complete ban would be hard(and possibly unfair)in these circumstances | |||
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"You cant have zero tolerance though, due to medication, food with alcohol in it etc.ok i maybe worded it wrongly,if they are gonna lower it then it should be a blanket level for everyone not just one class of vehicle totally" I don't for one minute condone drink driving outwith the law. However, all serious road accidents involving at least one driver being d*unk, are when that driver is well over the limit. The recent Scottish reduction is once again the SNP ego running riot, doing it because they can, and exerting more control over the lives of the population. Crucially, the recent reduction will have no effect on RTAs. And re a zero limit; some years ago a whisky tanker was in an accident resulting in the tank splitting and whisky spewing everywhere. As the incident was concluding, some of the attending police jokingly breathalised themselves. They all failed; why? They had breathed in so much of the alcoholic fumes! | |||
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"Commercial vehicles are work vehicles I agree a zero tolerance should be placed on these vehicles" "Work vehicles"? What ridiculous nonsense! Particularly Monday - Friday, the roads are full of 'work vehicles', and none of them HGVs. I do 45000 miles a year, weekdays my car is a 'work vehicle'!! | |||
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"Commercial vehicles are work vehicles I agree a zero tolerance should be placed on these vehicles "Work vehicles"? What ridiculous nonsense! Particularly Monday - Friday, the roads are full of 'work vehicles', and none of them HGVs. I do 45000 miles a year, weekdays my car is a 'work vehicle'!!" who said only hgvs were work or commercial vehicles ? If your car is a work vehicle the new law should also apply to your 45000 mile a yr car | |||
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"Commercial vehicles are work vehicles I agree a zero tolerance should be placed on these vehicles" That's why you don't make the rules you have no knowledge for judgement if zero tolerance is what you believe | |||
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"Just saw on the news they are thinking about lowering the drink drive limit for drivers of commercial vehicles. Maybe im being a bit blinkered but surely it should be a level playing field for all and should be zero tolerance irrespective what vehicle you drive" It's getting a bit ridiculous now. Have they done any studies to support this? | |||
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"You cant have zero tolerance though, due to medication, food with alcohol in it etc.ok i maybe worded it wrongly,if they are gonna lower it then it should be a blanket level for everyone not just one class of vehicle totally I don't for one minute condone drink driving outwith the law. However, all serious road accidents involving at least one driver being d*unk, are when that driver is well over the limit. The recent Scottish reduction is once again the SNP ego running riot, doing it because they can, and exerting more control over the lives of the population. Crucially, the recent reduction will have no effect on RTAs. And re a zero limit; some years ago a whisky tanker was in an accident resulting in the tank splitting and whisky spewing everywhere. As the incident was concluding, some of the attending police jokingly breathalised themselves. They all failed; why? They had breathed in so much of the alcoholic fumes!" It has seen a 27% reduction in drink driving. Doesn't matter what government is in power, that has to be a good thing for all. Agreed though the limit should be lowered for all. Many depots already have lower limits anyhoo. Sainsburys for one. Know a guy who got turned away for drinking the night before a shift. Then we should look at tachos in taxis and courier vehicles...they seriously needs regulated. | |||
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"Just saw on the news they are thinking about lowering the drink drive limit for drivers of commercial vehicles. Maybe im being a bit blinkered but surely it should be a level playing field for all and should be zero tolerance irrespective what vehicle you drive" The real danger is from those drivers who blatantly ignore the law and are not concerned about how much they are over the limit. There is little evidence that lowering the current limit in England will prevent accidents . We need a much more detailed analysis of the number of accidents , the causes and what percentage of the drivers had been drinking . From memory it is roughly 15 % , so our real concern should be the 85 % of sober drivers who are involved in accidents and what the causes are ?. | |||
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"I agree with the comments, I think limit should be reduced even further. Personally I think if you have to drive a vehicle, whether it a car, van, lorry, tractor or digger then the limit should he zero alcohol. You want to sit behind the wheel then there should be no alchol, this includes food. The doctors could tell the patients about side effects when they are prescribed drugs. If you were a pilot of a plain or jet, you wouldn't be able to drink, why should driving a vehicle be any diffrent. They are all lethal weapons when put in the hands of someone who has had alchol or drugs even the night before. " But they are also lethal weapons in the hands of drivers who are completely sober and 85 % of accidents are due to non alcohol related issues . | |||
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"Commercial vehicles are work vehicles I agree a zero tolerance should be placed on these vehicles "Work vehicles"? What ridiculous nonsense! Particularly Monday - Friday, the roads are full of 'work vehicles', and none of them HGVs. I do 45000 miles a year, weekdays my car is a 'work vehicle'!!who said only hgvs were work or commercial vehicles ? If your car is a work vehicle the new law should also apply to your 45000 mile a yr car "  | |||
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"Just saw on the news they are thinking about lowering the drink drive limit for drivers of commercial vehicles. Maybe im being a bit blinkered but surely it should be a level playing field for all and should be zero tolerance irrespective what vehicle you drive It's getting a bit ridiculous now. Have they done any studies to support this?" Of course not. Witness the march of Scottish extreme radicals!!  | |||
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" Scotland is now on par with about 50% of the rest of the world. There arent that many on more than 0.05% as there are 0.05% and below " The only issue I have with this is that the punishments aren't in line with these other countries. I'd have been happier if the ban stayed in place for those caught at the old level but for those between the new and old level there was a fine instead. Ultimately though the people who drink drive will still do so no matter what the limit is. | |||
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"Let's not forget that it doesn't deal with the dangerous drivers either " Exactly. Or people who drive while tired etc etc | |||
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"Let's not forget that it doesn't deal with the dangerous drivers either Exactly. Or people who drive while tired etc etc" That's why we have tachos in lorries....not got one in the car though  | |||
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"I don't see why as mentioned earlier there can be two limits. There should be one limit for all. What difference does it make for weight of vehicle the stopping distance etc. if the person is 'over A limit' they will still be deemed at fault. A zero limit would be unenforceable due to the things that contain alcohol as mentioned in earlier posts. fly " | |||
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"I don't for one minute condone drink driving outwith the law. The recent Scottish reduction is once again the SNP ego running riot, doing it because they can, and exerting more control over the lives of the population. Crucially, the recent reduction will have no effect on RTAs. ." It is already having an effect on the A9 where everyone drives at a slower speed than 70, without even thinking about it (including myself) As to lowering drink/driving levels to zero The human body can naturally produce alcohol exactly the same as it can naturally produce cholesterol You also show positive for alcohol if you eat fish & chips soaked in vinegar, explain that one to the officer The limits we have set now, stops regulars going to the pup on way home from work to have 2 pints of beer, this is proven in my local and other pubs around, and it brings us inline with the majority of Europe, eventually people will stop whinging and accept it, but as for a zero tolerance, it will never happen | |||
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". I would much rather see the same effort being placed on those individuals that make life for other people unpleasant, the ones that break into houses, vehicles, that assault, defraud or steal. Those are the people that are the scourge of our society but drive at 40 in a 30 limit and you are No1 wanted.... Rant over xx" they do, they get sent on young offenders correction holidays to nice warm climates with the hope that one good turn deserves another. joking aside, you are correct, I do agree, motorists are easy targets | |||
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"The biggest cause of Road Traffic accidents is speeding, whilst I totally agree with the reduction of the drink drive limit, it is very much a case of changing attitude to drink. To my mind I have noticed a huge change already. Unfortunately speeding is something that is difficult to enforce all the time hence the 'vultures' on the A9 and the massive use of camera cars. To my mind it is the 'normal' person that is continually being persecuted time and again, and is now being made socially unacceptable, almost criminalised. I would much rather see the same effort being placed on those individuals that make life for other people unpleasant, the ones that break into houses, vehicles, that assault, defraud or steal. Those are the people that are the scourge of our society but drive at 40 in a 30 limit and you are No1 wanted.... Rant over xx" I agree with you but will add that I beleive that 'speeding' is demonised as other forms of bad or innappropriate driving can not be detected and proved. We drive in a society now where cars have 'entertainment and multimedia systems', gadgets galore, touchscreen displays, phones. They are more sound proof and smooth and the driver is made to feel comfortable and safe. People simply switch off and feel that the cars electronic safety systems will save them from bad driving. People are more distracted from the road nowadays. Speeding isn't always dangerous or 100% going to cause an accident, just that it can easily be detected and blamed. Next time you drive down a motorway and see a camera van on the bridge.... See how many brake lights you see literally 100 yards away from the bridge. Who is the safer driver - one who was doing 80 but saw the van from several hundred yards away or the driver doing 60 and isn't aware the van is there NOR the speed they are doing. | |||
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"Drivers who need to brake for speed cameras probably have below average driving standards . Why do they think that the law does not apply to them and how many others laws do they also ignore ? Speed limits are set for a reason and we cannot have a free for all with people setting their own limits . Any observant and competent driver would be aware of the speed limits and have no necessity to brake when they saw the camera. The driver doing 60 is clearly safer as all other factors being equal , the lower the speed , the more time there is to react . " Yes and no - speed limits were set a LONG time ago, long before cars got as safe as they are now. That does NOT mean we should rely on the car to keep us safe however, it merely aids us. The German autobahn has no speed limit and are generally pretty safe places to drive I'm led to believe. It's all down to the driver, not the car. Drink driving does cause fatalities and it ruins 1000s of lives every year but it is getting better year by year as attitudes are changed. Drug driving is a far greater problem these days but it too is almost impossible to detect and prosecute. The driver doing 60 isn't always the safest driver on the road as their reaction times may be considerably slower than others. Travelling at 60 mph right behind a lorry is not safer than doing 80 on a clear road with nothing in front of you. Speed is never the only factor in an accident, there are other factors including road condition and weather to take into consideration too. | |||
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"Drivers who need to brake for speed cameras probably have below average driving standards . Why do they think that the law does not apply to them and how many others laws do they also ignore ? Speed limits are set for a reason and we cannot have a free for all with people setting their own limits . Any observant and competent driver would be aware of the speed limits and have no necessity to brake when they saw the camera. The driver doing 60 is clearly safer as all other factors being equal , the lower the speed , the more time there is to react . Yes and no - speed limits were set a LONG time ago, long before cars got as safe as they are now. That does NOT mean we should rely on the car to keep us safe however, it merely aids us. The German autobahn has no speed limit and are generally pretty safe places to drive I'm led to believe. It's all down to the driver, not the car. Drink driving does cause fatalities and it ruins 1000s of lives every year but it is getting better year by year as attitudes are changed. Drug driving is a far greater problem these days but it too is almost impossible to detect and prosecute. The driver doing 60 isn't always the safest driver on the road as their reaction times may be considerably slower than others. Travelling at 60 mph right behind a lorry is not safer than doing 80 on a clear road with nothing in front of you. Speed is never the only factor in an accident, there are other factors including road condition and weather to take into consideration too. " re your comment about the german autobahn furry,there is only one area of derestricted autobahn left now,all the rest have speed limits now(im reliably informed) | |||
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"Drivers who need to brake for speed cameras probably have below average driving standards . Why do they think that the law does not apply to them and how many others laws do they also ignore ? Speed limits are set for a reason and we cannot have a free for all with people setting their own limits . Any observant and competent driver would be aware of the speed limits and have no necessity to brake when they saw the camera. The driver doing 60 is clearly safer as all other factors being equal , the lower the speed , the more time there is to react . " Yes, they may have below standard driving skills, one of the many reasons why accidents happen - We shouldnt be brain washed by the media or government into thinking that speed is the only factor when accidents happen. My example of people braking for a speed camera when then are almost by it and under the limit would show a lack of observation and awareness of whats around them. People driving in their own cocoon not paying attention to their surroundings. That is just not safe. Of course, it cant be caught by a cash machine, ooops, speed camera can it. | |||
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"I don't for one minute condone drink driving outwith the law. The recent Scottish reduction is once again the SNP ego running riot, doing it because they can, and exerting more control over the lives of the population. Crucially, the recent reduction will have no effect on RTAs. . It is already having an effect on the A9 where everyone drives at a slower speed than 70, without even thinking about it (including myself) As to lowering drink/driving levels to zero The human body can naturally produce alcohol exactly the same as it can naturally produce cholesterol You also show positive for alcohol if you eat fish & chips soaked in vinegar, explain that one to the officer The limits we have set now, stops regulars going to the pup on way home from work to have 2 pints of beer, this is proven in my local and other pubs around, and it brings us inline with the majority of Europe, eventually people will stop whinging and accept it, but as for a zero tolerance, it will never happen" Spot on . Very much a cultural change as much as anything . Nothing will stop the hard core minority anyway until they smash into someone . Even then its debatable . A sorry state that our society people get sponsored not to drink for a month to raise charity money ffs. If yer driving the next day why chance it | |||
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"You cant have zero tolerance though, due to medication, food with alcohol in it etc.ok i maybe worded it wrongly,if they are gonna lower it then it should be a blanket level for everyone not just one class of vehicle" Spot on Martin, no discrimination | |||
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