FabSwingers.com forum: Poppys

By *lasgowkisser OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

I know what Poppy's are all about so respect. But don't u get pissed off with the whole charade in Scotland????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I know what Poppy's are all about so respect. But don't u get pissed off with the whole charade in Scotland????"

Charade, what charade?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a personal choice

Wear 1 or don't

It's a personal choice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

what charade?

you either wear one for remembrance or you don't... theres no charade about it

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By *unybunyWoman
over a year ago

Living in a Scottish office somewhere

Charade????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

wish he would enlighten us... or do we have to guess?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so rememberance is a charade so the death off all the men and women that have given ther lifes to allow you to bump your gums about it being a charade.

i think you need to rethink this post.

i am a very disgrunteld ex,serviceman at someone who thinks it is a charade

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be fair

Until the OP answers back what the charade is we can't really understand what the post means

Without opening a can of worms

I sort of feel a bit peeved about if you don't wear a poppy you become some sort of evil person

As I said earlier

It's a personal choice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes my father joined the navy before 1939 and was invalided out in 1944 and sent to work on ships serving the navy's needs.

He saw service in the Atlantic and Artic convoys to Russia, and he just thought to himself after the war I have lost my brothers and friends and " what a charade it all was !!! "

I have worn my poppy with extreme pride since I was in primary school and at no time did I ever think I was taking part in some kind of charade !!!

My fathers brothers that died in the war did not survive to hear wearing poppy was a charade either !!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wouldnt dare speak on someones behalf but perhaps he is referring to the poppy facism that takes place .

Personally i fail to see where lighting up things in red . A car wearing a poppy or the worst yet a fucking pizza with pepperoni poppies is in any way remembrance.

I dont wear one myself as i believe it has been hijacked for political jousting and propoganda and the original meaning has been lost .

I have nothing but respect for those that gave their lives in the great wars and despite my own views on modern conflicts such as afghan and iraq i do respect those that do their job .

I have a brother in law minus his legs and another that still wakes up screaming at night due to his ordeal . Neither wear a poppy . But like me im sure they will be deemed as traitors by some

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By *lasgowkisser OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

First n foremost. Respect to all wearing. But in the west of Scotland in recent years. It's being hijacked for

Political and unionist issues. Not to mention the bigotry side of football where one teams fans. Embrace it. But have never being near a remembence

Ceremony. But support it in blind loyalty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would always respect someone s right not to wear a poppy but to call it a " charde " !!

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By *lasgowkisser OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

A. : charade: being the way SOME ppl use it now... British, unionist, the queen, football fans. Religious ppl

But it's not ALL. the right reasons

That's my point.......

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By *r and Mrs SnogalotCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

" A. : charade: being the way SOME ppl use it now... British, unionist, the queen, football fans. Religious ppl

But it's not ALL. the right reasons

That's my point......."

I found myself nodding in agreement until you mentioned the Queen. The Royal Family have always been staunch supporters of our armed forces. I do not for one minute believe that for them it is a charade

Shy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" A. : charade: being the way SOME ppl use it now... British, unionist, the queen, football fans. Religious ppl

But it's not ALL. the right reasons

That's my point......."

Agreed . Jingoism at its worst

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By *lasgowkisser OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Not saying bout the queen. As she does support it. Just that some ppl. S thinking is British. Loyal to queen. C o Scotland

Rangers etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can see this turning into a football thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Should not all decent people rise above petty bigotry and support a cause set up to help ex servicemen what ever your political or religious views are.

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east

Me thinks someone is just trying to stir the hornets nest and get a reaction out of folk ...so n that note i'm outta here

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By *unglasgow69Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

GlasgowKisser at last you finally say what you mean Rangers fans. So let me get this right Rangers fans have made wearing the poppy a charade!!!!!! Nothing to do with we are thankful to those who gave their life to give us our freedom. Like it or not GlasgowKisser being proud of the armed forces or bring British doesn't make us bad people. But to insult us & call it a charade is quite frankly insulting, only in Scotland would this type of accusation be made.

Since u brought football clubs into it. Only 1 team in the Uk never had a poppy on their strips at the weekend. Wonder why that is eh??? Guessing that's the team u support & Poppy's visible at this clubs game are rarely seen on their supporters. Why cause this club Panders to the Irish nationalist who still in large numbers sing songs in support of the IRA. Who unveiled the banner No Blood Stained Poppy's on our jerseys. Think that's more the side of the fence you are coming down on GlasgowKisser but you just don't want to say it. Sure you have your reasons for not wearing a poppy but to call it a charade is just wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should not all decent people rise above petty bigotry and support a cause set up to help ex servicemen what ever your political or religious views are."

Bigotry ? Nothing to do with it as far as im concerned . I appreciate there is that eliment to it for some .

As i mentioned before my brother in law is army . A bilateral amputee at 22 . He signed up not for queen and country as the media would have you believe but to escape the drug fuelled road he was starting to travel . A fresh start . Blinded by the propoganda of quads and jet skis . Parachute jumps and adventure from the recruitment teams that pray on the poorest areas of society . On his second tour his commanding officer gave the order to mortar attack a compound despite it being rammed with woman and kids . They done as ordered . 2 minutes later the bodies where flying . Pieces of kids coating the walls . As the went to assess the damage he stood on an ied . He has had hids pay out of near a million quid and pensioned off on 40k a year .tossed a side with no further interest from the army .

So tell me there are several charities to support these troops why has the poppy been hijacked and used as a propoganda tool to support modern day conflicts .

For me its tragic that what was a symbol of remeberance of the great wars has been ripped away and used especially by right wing groups .

I have no issue with anyone wearing one but because i choose not to im told im being disrespectful . Its laughable

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone who listened to last nights phone in on radio Clyde football show will know what op is talking about. I as a proud poppy wearer and a Celtic fan ( there are some of us) was very annoyed at James McLean's stance in refusing to wear one last year. But then I read an article about how in northern Ireland the poppy has very much become a symbol of unionism and anti catholic feelings and my anger turned to disappointment that something that can do so much good for our injured servicemen. You can now see in the west of Scotland peoples attempts to hijack this symbol for their own political reasons and they are sick trying to take something that would help the injured and sick and turn it into a game of politics and religion all our religions have at their core love your fellow man but few follow through on this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why bring Rangers into it ? Rangers have always had a Remembrance Day from what I remember and never been hijacked, nothing was said about the poppies until the green brigade unveiled the " no blood stained Poppy's on our hoops" then it's went into over drive. It's a choice to wear a poppy but I think respect should be given regardless but this hijacking by football is a laid of nonsense as nothing was said ten years ago when they did it

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By *inkyman looking for funMan
over a year ago

bathgate

Its about showing unity and a mark of respect for all the women and men in all wars and conflicts (including young boys in WWW 1) that fought for a better future for all of us back here . Some came home most did not. As ex Military I wear mine with pride . Personal choice yes , but having lost friends I know the meaning of the poppy !!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"GlasgowKisser at last you finally say what you mean Rangers fans. So let me get this right Rangers fans have made wearing the poppy a charade!!!!!! Nothing to do with we are thankful to those who gave their life to give us our freedom. Like it or not GlasgowKisser being proud of the armed forces or bring British doesn't make us bad people. But to insult us & call it a charade is quite frankly insulting, only in Scotland would this type of accusation be made.

Cetic made a £10k donation to poppy scotland as they do every year .

Are we not told politics has no place in football or is that only ok when it suits ?

This poppy on football shirts is a fairly modern thing and frankly ridicoulous in my opinion . Asking germans and japanese players to wear it ?? Never mind irish . Iraq or afghanistan players

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Be fair mate there are sections of Celtic/Rangers/Hearts/Hibs and other teams who sing songs that are not politically correct and I for one wouldn't defend that. Granted the Poppy wasn't on the Celtic Shirt on Sunday but it's not obligatory. I think we should remember guys died so we could choose, don't forget that. In my opinion is it should be on the shirt. Celtic FC dis-banded during WW2 so the players could join up(If I'm being pernickety I could point out a Glasgow team that didn't disband). Poppies as big as a foot across on cars...cmon. For the record I sometimes wear one I sometimes don't its my decision but I always respect the guys who die in any war from any where. Its a remembrance not a celebration. Anyway just my thruppence worth nothing personal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think rangers get brought into it as it looks like a celebration . I know and have spoken to several army guys that attended a couple of years back . Mass piss up dancing and singing about the pitch jumping into the crowd for selfies and joining in anti catholic songs . Yeah massivley respectful that was .

And for the record i stro gly disagree with anyone that ruins a minutes silence . Disgraceful

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree with that Rangers need to manage it better and that wasn't a comfortable sight on any shoulder....anyway back to the thread about household implements and sex aids ...wtf that all about???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That was armed forces day mate not Remembrance Day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can I point out as Hugh keevins did last night that my team were not the only team in Britain to not wear a poppy on their jerseys at the weekend. But were the one who gave the largest donation to poppy appeal scotland I am sure the 5 figure sum at this time was greatly appreciated more than a poppy on their jersey. But maybe the reaction of some is the reason the op was being a bit vague at the start and some on here have proved his point. We have just finished a debate on where we go from here hopefully it will be to a place where the people rise above the petty squabbles of northern Irish politics and we develop our own without fear or preduduice.as some others I bow out from this thread and won't be reading any more this is not an area that will enhance this site or the relationships on it one bit let's make this a no tolerance zone for bigotry and let this thread be consigned to page 2 and beyond

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That was armed forces day mate not Remembrance Day"

10th november 2012

Poppy display the same day

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

Lest we forget ...... its not about a nation .... its about remembering all who fell not just british some would be better realising this than using Iit for nonsense

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How sad is all this? Others can do as they wish...I refuse to let my remembrance be distracted or tarnished. It is way too special and personal.

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By *i_garyMan
over a year ago

glasgow

I've gotta admit, I don't see why Rangers are being brought into this. The only reason I can see is to try to deflect from the carry on that has been reported elsewhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wear a poppy but I do feel slightly awkward about it as it represents the Haig fund. Haig to my knowledge was part of the Establishment who treated servicemen like things that could be disposed of. The top brass sat back from it all and made decisions without any real military knowledge. The guns that were meant to destroy the frontline German troops in WW1 saw artillery landing short and still men were sent over the top to be slaughtered.

My Great Uncle was killed by a sniper at the Somme and his name is in the Book of Remeberence at the Castle. They shall never be forgotten.

Nowadays though it pains me to see where our troops get sent. These brave servicemen and woman are still being slaughtered because of greed of the Establishment in my opinion. I'm sick of the propoganda around the Middle East which as ever is about power oil and money for a few. It is most certainly NOT about helping 3rd world nations or rescuing folk from evil regimes (or extremely rarely). You'd not pick that up reading the papers or watching TV which spin the lies.

So yes let us never forget them but at the same time question the futility of it all in more recent times especially

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By *lasgowkisser OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Fun glasgow !!

Falkirk never wore them. Leeds too

And that's before I think about it

So ur wrong......

But once again u turn it into a our boys died...

Remember last season?

Soldiers on ibrox pitch with orange scarfs saying. : no surrender::.???

No thanks. I reserve my right to pass

On this hijacked poppy. Eejit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cetic made a £10k donation to poppy scotland as they do every year .

Are we not told politics has no place in football or is that only ok when it suits ?

This poppy on football shirts is a fairly modern thing and frankly ridicoulous in my opinion . Asking germans and japanese players to wear it ?? Never mind irish . Iraq or afghanistan players

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totally agree

Celtic did not need to make a huge donation as they felt "forcing" a multicultural team to do so was too much

As I said earlier it's a personal thing

I was always brought up to respect my elders and will always mark the 2 mon silence but should not to be made to feel a leper if I don't wear a poppy

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

I wear my poppy with pride (I'm on my 3rd one this year

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I couldn't care less what people think - it's my choice to wear it.

Just as it was my choice to find a quiet spot at 1055 this morning so I could be still and silent at 11am.

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By *lasgowkisser OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

So there u have it ppl

Different views n angles from BOTH Sides. So wear it or don't.

Freedom of choice

Just don't tell me if and why I should wear it.

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow

"Fun glasgow !!

Falkirk never wore them. Leeds too

And that's before I think about it

So ur wrong......

But once again u turn it into a our boys died...

Remember last season?

Soldiers on ibrox pitch with orange scarfs saying. : no surrender::.???

No thanks. I reserve my right to pass

On this hijacked poppy. Eejit"

What a warped view you have. People can choose to wear or not wear a poppy and that's fine. To see a supposed grown man saying his decision is influenced by football teams (at least I think that's what you're tryint to say but your posts are barely coherent) is one of the most ridiculous things I've read on here.

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"So there u have it ppl

Different views n angles from BOTH Sides. So wear it or don't.

Freedom of choice

Just don't tell me if and why I should wear it. "

Oh, I would never and have never told anyone to wear one or not. Like I said, it's MY personal choice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wear a poppy but I do feel slightly awkward about it as it represents the Haig fund. Haig to my knowledge was part of the Establishment who treated servicemen like things that could be disposed of. The top brass sat back from it all and made decisions without any real military knowledge. The guns that were meant to destroy the frontline German troops in WW1 saw artillery landing short and still men were sent over the top to be slaughtered.

My Great Uncle was killed by a sniper at the Somme and his name is in the Book of Remeberence at the Castle. They shall never be forgotten.

So yes let us never forget them but at the same time question the futility of it all in more recent times especially"

I hear you Anna, and its all true. Haig and many others used our young men as cannon fodder and even today our troops are pawns in the game.

Being a simple soul, I look at my poppy and I remember the sons, husbands and fathers who gave their all in our nations defence. I see the people.....not the politics. For I fear that will never change....

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By *lassic1Man
over a year ago

bellshill

I am popping in to this thread (excuse the pun) to say one simple thing.

I totally agree that no one should feel obliged or forced in any way to wear a poppy...so just dont do it and thats fine by every one.

What on earth forced them to make eye hole balaclavas out of hoops scarf and start chanting Irish republican songs instead. really dont get that.

None of the immediate crowd forced them to do that

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By *illi37Woman
over a year ago

glasgow

Glasgow kisser....what a poor excuse for a man you truly are, hang your head in shame....your efforts to inject your own petty bigoted views only show your lack of humility and understanding of what our fellow Scots went through.

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By *wiftieeMan
over a year ago

near Glasgow

"Me thinks someone is just trying to stir the hornets nest and get a reaction out of folk ...so n that note i'm outta here

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By *wiftieeMan
over a year ago

near Glasgow

" Sides. "

There really are some sad souls around here! There'll always be politics involved, not a lot we can do about it. But football teams? Catholic/Protestant?

I know more recent conflicts are now included, but the main thrust of remembrance and the poppies is still WW1 & WW2. And for some people to put bigotry and religion into the mix, really are pathetic. Something they need to remember is that they have the freedom to express their twisted views, thanks to those who left these and other shores, and never returned.

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By *ranitecityMan
over a year ago

ABERDEEN

Sing when your winning lol and of course during the two minute silence the dirty look on the Celtic keeper said it all when he heard it(the Polish chap)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Sides.

There really are some sad souls around here! There'll always be politics involved, not a lot we can do about it. But football teams? Catholic/Protestant?

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By *ary_ArgyllMan
over a year ago

Argyll

There is also the option to wear a white poppy to show rememberance but a more pacifist stance.

I do think some wars had to be fought (WWII being a good example which my own father fought in) and others it is much harder to see the justification (WWI, Iraq etc.).

It's 2 minutes in one day a year to remember all those who have fallen and perhaps reconsider which conflicts we get involved in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I give to the poppy fund every year but I never wear one and I detest the fact that people are made to wear one on TV, if they are made to wear a poppy then they should wear one for every single other charity, it's got to the point of stupidity!! People fought for freedom and freedom of speech yet someone gets in trouble for not wearing a poppy on the telly? Really??? The look of disgust I got from the woman I gave my money to when I said I didn't want the poppy was ridiculous! If I wore that I would wear every other and I don't have enough space!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As previous said its a personal choice! End of.

Dunno why always in the west of Scotland shitty football & bigotry is brought into something that isn't heehaw to do with.

Lest We Forget

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As previous said its a personal choice! End of.

Dunno why always in the west of Scotland shitty football & bigotry is brought into something that isn't heehaw to do with.

Lest We Forget "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Rangers are a British club so why cant they respect and thank the British forces I couldn't be more prouder of my club the display and respect we give them and to the fallen

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fun glasgow !!

Falkirk never wore them. Leeds too

And that's before I think about it

So ur wrong......

But once again u turn it into a our boys died...

Remember last season?

Soldiers on ibrox pitch with orange scarfs saying. : no surrender::.???

No thanks. I reserve my right to pass

On this hijacked poppy. Eejit"
that's the soldiers personal choice not the club forcing them!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This thread is a disgrace. Doesn't surprise me though to be honest.

Celtic fans are easily confused though, highlighted by the fact that they wave Palestinian flags at games but cheer when one of their Israeli players scores.

And before you all start, no I'm not a Rangers fan.

Celtic FC - Ashamed of nothing, offended by everything.

Peace

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This has got to be for me one of the poorest and ill conceived threads I've ever had the displeasure of reading. The wearing of a poppy is not mandatory. You choose to do it to show respect. Some people show respect in other ways. That is completely fine, it's their choice. There in lies the big word. CHOICE! I remember these service men and women because over the last 100 years they have gave their lives so that we are free to make our own choices. Regardless of whether I think any conflict has been just they still give it all. I suggest the nearest mirror should be found and a very good look be taken in it. I'd honestly be ashamed of myself about this post

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This thread is a disgrace. Doesn't surprise me though to be honest.

Celtic fans are easily confused though, highlighted by the fact that they wave Palestinian flags at games but cheer when one of their Israeli players scores.

And before you all start, no I'm not a Rangers fan.

Celtic FC - Ashamed of nothing, offended by everything.

Peace

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By *exy SwingMan
over a year ago

the sticks

"Regardless of whether I think any conflict has been just they still give it all."

You were doing ok till this bit

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By *lasgowkisser OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

A lot of ppl on here areRidiculous.

Didn't u listen to what I said??????

And to say that there is no agenda

From rfc. Is garbage. I said political and religious factions. And football

You don't live in the real world

And Aberdeen man???

Ur a joke after what ur fans sing to rfc

Take ur head of of the sand

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can see this turning into a football thread

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By *lasgowkisser OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

It's NOT. Football thread. Re a few comments on this backing me up

Politics n other issues are involved

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who said anything about Aberdeen?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry but it IS a football thread now

As soon as the new RFC got mentioned it was on a 1 way path

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nice sly wee dig there janda1 lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This has got to be for me one of the poorest and ill conceived threads I've ever had the displeasure of reading. The wearing of a poppy is not mandatory. You choose to do it to show respect. Some people show respect in other ways. That is completely fine, it's their choice. There in lies the big word. CHOICE! I remember these service men and women because over the last 100 years they have gave their lives so that we are free to make our own choices. Regardless of whether I think any conflict has been just they still give it all. I suggest the nearest mirror should be found and a very good look be taken in it. I'd honestly be ashamed of myself about this post"

Totally agree.....poppies are worn to remember the fallen and those who gave the ultimate sacrafice for us to have the freedom we do today.....

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