FabSwingers.com forum: Labour in meltdown

By *leasure dom OP Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Sometimes, abusers do face a day of reckoning.....

"The Labour Party in Scotland would face political annihilation if there was a general election tomorrow, according to a poll commissioned by STV.

The Ipsos Mori survey shows Labour would poll 23% of the Scottish vote, leaving them with just four seats in Scotland.

In comparison, support for the SNP has surged to 52%, giving them a projected 54 seats at Westminster. The Liberal Democrats would have one and the Conservative party would be left without any Scottish MPs.

Another poll by YouGov for the Times, released later on Thursday, put Scottish Labour four points higher on 27%, a result they calculated would give the party ten seats.

The full breakdown of STV's Ipsos Mori poll is SNP 52%, Scottish Labour 23%, Scottish Conservatives 10%, Scottish Liberal Democrats 6%, Scottish Green Party 6%, Ukip 2% and 1% support for others."

Such a shame they deserted the principles of Keir Hardie and turned into a party of self-serving and self-enriching political gangsters (with, in their Strathclyde & Lanarkshire heartlands, links to proper criminal gangsters!)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You reap what you sow.

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By *eatherWoman
over a year ago

glasgow

The party that calls itself LABOUR wouldnt know the meaning of what the true LABOUR party stood for years ago even if it jumped up and bit them on the a..s

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Seems to me the people predicting the demise of the Labour Party are the same ones who predicted a Yes victory.

Wrong then. Wrong now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As I said _nny

We will wait and see

Seems like a lot of labour MPs are feeling they have been slightly duped

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The party that calls itself LABOUR wouldnt know the meaning of what the true LABOUR party stood for years ago even if it jumped up and bit them on the a..s

so true _eather they have lost their socialist principals and i think they will pay for that in the gen election .

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By *lue4youCouple
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

Personally I hope the Labour party heads merrily into a state of extinction, They know fine well without a Scottish vote they doomed to fuck all power in Westminster

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

A Westminster with a permanent Tory majority? Is that what the Nats want?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A Westminster with a permanent Tory majority? Is that what the Nats want?"

tory or labour whats the difference?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A Westminster with a permanent Tory majority? Is that what the Nats want?

tory or labour whats the difference?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think Labour is in transition, I was never a big Johhan Lamont fan !!!

I am sure Jim Murphy will sort the party out.

I would still prefer to vote Labour than a party that does not allow descent from the ranks !!!

The only person to be a SNP member that critised the party was a councillor that resigned because gay marriage was not in the manifesto but became law.

They quickly rounded on him and the cyber nats and trolls attached him with military efficiency !!!!

For all Labours faults they still allow their party free speech

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think Labour is in transition, I was never a big Johhan Lamont fan !!!

I am sure Jim Murphy will sort the party out.

I would still prefer to vote Labour than a party that does not allow descent from the ranks !!!

The only person to be a SNP member that critised the party was a councillor that resigned because gay marriage was not in the manifesto but became law.

They quickly rounded on him and the cyber nats and trolls attached him with military efficiency !!!!

For all Labours faults they still allow their party free speech

got to disagree mate jim murphy is a right wing blairite a career politition with no policies and has milked the taxpayer for over a million in expences ,think he will drive even more ppl away from voting labour.

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By *leasure dom OP Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"I think Labour is in transition, I was never a big Johhan Lamont fan !!!

I am sure Jim Murphy will sort the party out.

I would still prefer to vote Labour than a party that does not allow descent from the ranks !!!

The only person to be a SNP member that critised the party was a councillor that resigned because gay marriage was not in the manifesto but became law.

They quickly rounded on him and the cyber nats and trolls attached him with military efficiency !!!!

For all Labours faults they still allow their party free speech

So you think spud Murphy has what it takes?

And that the only SNP member to offer criticism of the party was one councillor?

And that Scottish labour's (MP's and MSP's) 100% support of the London policy on independence - for which they are now, rightly, paying a very high price... shows that dissent is encouraged? Strange that not even one of them came out in favour of independence, is it not?

What is the atmosphere like for you and _nny on your planet? It must be pretty constricting, being absorbed by the labour borg.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think Labour is in transition, I was never a big Johhan Lamont fan !!!

I am sure Jim Murphy will sort the party out.

I would still prefer to vote Labour than a party that does not allow descent from the ranks !!!

The only person to be a SNP member that critised the party was a councillor that resigned because gay marriage was not in the manifesto but became law.

They quickly rounded on him and the cyber nats and trolls attached him with military efficiency !!!!

For all Labours faults they still allow their party free speech

oh and next time your up in ours going to get u d*unk and your not leaving until your converted lol

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"A Westminster with a permanent Tory majority? Is that what the Nats want?

tory or labour whats the difference?"

Anyone who believes that has been hibernating for the last four and a half years.

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By *leasure dom OP Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Seems to me the people predicting the demise of the Labour Party are the same ones who predicted a Yes victory.

Wrong then. Wrong now."

Darling Al, the expenses fraudster and the eejit who spent fortunes bailing out the banks without taking control and imposing reform, does not seem to share your confidence - the first of the rats to bail from the sinking ship.

FFS, it has got so bad that Kez the dug is being referred to as a "high flier" by Boothman's boys on BBC Scotland. The only relationship that Baron Fffookessake's wee troll has to flying high is when she mounts her broomstick. Elected by precisely nobody and only employable within labour.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I think Labour is in transition, I was never a big Johhan Lamont fan !!!

I am sure Jim Murphy will sort the party out.

I would still prefer to vote Labour than a party that does not allow descent from the ranks !!!

The only person to be a SNP member that critised the party was a councillor that resigned because gay marriage was not in the manifesto but became law.

They quickly rounded on him and the cyber nats and trolls attached him with military efficiency !!!!

For all Labours faults they still allow their party free speech

Two SNP MSPs resigned from the party over the change in policy about NATO.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A Westminster with a permanent Tory majority? Is that what the Nats want?

tory or labour whats the difference?

Anyone who believes that has been hibernating for the last four and a half years."

really?nearly every one of their policies are the same and labour backed all the austerity plans and 30 labour mps backed the tory welfare cap that is keeping 1in3 children in our country in poverty ,shame on them ,but hey we are all in this together !my arse .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think Labour is in transition, I was never a big Johhan Lamont fan !!!

I am sure Jim Murphy will sort the party out.

I would still prefer to vote Labour than a party that does not allow descent from the ranks !!!

The only person to be a SNP member that critised the party was a councillor that resigned because gay marriage was not in the manifesto but became law.

They quickly rounded on him and the cyber nats and trolls attached him with military efficiency !!!!

For all Labours faults they still allow their party free speech

oh and next time your up in ours going to get u d*unk and your not leaving until your converted lol

I always look forward to my visits to you !!!!! and you know it wont be drink that converts me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A Westminster with a permanent Tory majority? Is that what the Nats want?

tory or labour whats the difference?

Anyone who believes that has been hibernating for the last four and a half years.

At the Westminster vote on alterations to the bedroom tax all 40 Scottish Labour MP.s turn up, out of the six SNP MP'S two turned up, one booked the wrong time of flight and the others did not even bother making an excuse.

Every country in the world is suffering the effects of austerity not just the UK. I do not agree with the way the austerity cuts are imposed and believe there are better ways through taxing companies to sort it.

Why under the SNP would austerity just vanish !!!!!

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By *lara_JamieCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh

I wouldn't want to see the demise of many political parties but a good fright every once in a while ensures they all work harder for us. Labour have taken the Scottish vote for granted for a long, long time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seems to me the people predicting the demise of the Labour Party are the same ones who predicted a Yes victory.

Wrong then. Wrong now."
labour is finished in Scotland

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seems to me the people predicting the demise of the Labour Party are the same ones who predicted a Yes victory.

Wrong then. Wrong now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Personally I hope the Labour party heads merrily into a state of extinction, They know fine well without a Scottish vote they doomed to fuck all power in Westminster"

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By *ky HookMan
over a year ago

Dundee

The Scottish people are to my mind one of the most Socialist people in the world. It is a sad fact that the party whos founding ideology was Socialism is now less Socialist than the party whos initial mandate was Nationalism. l

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By *illi37Woman
over a year ago

glasgow

Funnily the nats are what they always were "tartan cuckoos".....a very efficient ,clinical propaganda machine seems to be fooling too many on here.. just like another nats party did in fact xx

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By *ary_ArgyllMan
over a year ago

Argyll

I think it is a disaster for democracy - we are now in a one party state.

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By *leasure dom OP Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"I think it is a disaster for democracy - we are now in a one party state."

Just as the resurrection in participation in the democratic process and the placing of constitutional change has brought a great bonus to the citizens of the other three nations within the UK, the short term effect of that "one party state" as you put it, or the will of the people as it is in fact, will also deliver independence - which will in turn lead to the emergence of new parties and a more diverse political landscape.

The primary objective of the SNP is to achieve independence and thereafter to disband.

Only the unionist parties prefer a situation of "no change" - but the Scots have smashed into their comfortable private club, shaken their trough and re-written the rules.... with more to come in due course.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"The primary objective of the SNP is to achieve independence and thereafter to disband."

I don't think anyone in Gordon Lamb House got that memo.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A Westminster with a permanent Tory majority? Is that what the Nats want?"

But surely that's part of being better together, no?

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By *leasure dom OP Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"A Westminster with a permanent Tory majority? Is that what the Nats want?

But surely that's part of being better together, no?"

Well they all shared the same platform and gave their fellow travellers in BT such wonderful support and praise.

Was it not heartening to see such fellowship among the disparate troughers when their common interest (their place on the westmidden gravy train) was threatened. Wunderbar!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The SNP would have sold there souls to satan to get what they wanted !!!

We all make comprimises in life just as political parties do to achieve there aims !!!!!

It was a brief marriage on convience that achieved its goal and has ended.

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By *leasure dom OP Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"The SNP would have sold there souls to satan to get what they wanted !!!

We all make comprimises in life just as political parties do to achieve there aims !!!!!

It was a brief marriage on convience that achieved its goal and has ended."

Problem is, the objectives of our unionist politicians do not centre on the best interests of the Scottish people.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

The objectives of all our politicians should centre on the best interests of all the UK people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Labour are just what the mean: painful and never two the same! ... finished years ago and always been puppets to westminster! ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The objectives of all our politicians should centre on the best interests of all the UK people."

but they dont they look after themselves and their rich friends

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tommy Douglas - mouse land on YouTube.

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By *leasure dom OP Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Seems to me the people predicting the demise of the Labour Party are the same ones who predicted a Yes victory.

Wrong then. Wrong now."

Having listened to the news this evening ....

Would you care to deny that the parcel o' rogues party is heading for electoral disaster?

Quite a few MP's facing the loss of their seat are indicating, although in different terms (doubt they are on here): "I agree with the o.p."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doesn't matter what party you vote for.they are all in it to screw us out of money for expenses and employing their families. how can they complain about how expensive it it to be an mp or scottish mp when nobody forced them to stand....should pay them £6.50 an hour and see how they cope or how many would want to be a mp. they think cause they are mp's they can get anything. i have experianced it in a few previous jobs that the state they are a mp and expect to be served hand and foot....every ruddy one of them as bad as each other....

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

London

Single state police force

State guardians for our kids

Looks like the education system is next..

"He suggested far closer working in education and questioned the need for each council to have its own education department.

“I would suggest could we do away with 32 authorities,” he said. “Take it off their hands completely.”"

https://www.holyrood.com/articles/news/strip-councils-education-responsibilities-parents-suggest

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By *exy SwingMan
over a year ago

the sticks

"Two SNP MSPs resigned from the party over the change in policy about NATO."

Whilst jim murphy, tony blair and labour all ignored NATO and waged an illegal war in IRAQ.

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By *i_garyMan
over a year ago

glasgow

"Single state police force

State guardians for our kids

Looks like the education system is next..

"He suggested far closer working in education and questioned the need for each council to have its own education department.

“I would suggest could we do away with 32 authorities,” he said. “Take it off their hands completely.”"

https://www.holyrood.com/articles/news/strip-councils-education-responsibilities-parents-suggest

There's a huge irony about the SNP's call for local people to be making the decisions that affect them rather than a distant parliament when they are doing the exact opposite in Scotland. They are imposing their will on local authorities and making a mockery of the idea of local government.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Two SNP MSPs resigned from the party over the change in policy about NATO.

Whilst jim murphy, tony blair and labour all ignored NATO and waged an illegal war in IRAQ. "

You sure you mean NATO?

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By *exy SwingMan
over a year ago

the sticks

"Two SNP MSPs resigned from the party over the change in policy about NATO.

Whilst jim murphy, tony blair and labour all ignored NATO and waged an illegal war in IRAQ.

You sure you mean NATO?"

UN i happened to be reading about nato lol

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By *yrshiremischiefMan
over a year ago

Kilmarnock

"The objectives of all our politicians should centre on the best interests of all the UK people."

I'm not sure about this - I think that concerns and priorities are often more local. I remember listening to a Labour Councillor years ago at a funding committee in Glasgow, he was looking for funding for a project in his ward, and his opening gambit was, 'You know me, I don't ask for much...' I hated him - he was up against SNP councillors who fought tooth and nail for their constituents - they creamed him - and not in a good way!

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By *leasure dom OP Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Newspaper headlines for Friday are not looking good for the terminally useless Ed "Goofy" Miliband.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quite rightly so. A disgrace of a party that found itself in bed with a party that's the opposite of everything labour should stand for. A long list of clowns in that party. Murphy to be next party leader?? The same man that was campaigning around Scotland making speeches of an irn-bru crate like some sort of irn-bru messiah then cried when a yes campaigner disagrees

laughable

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

London

Oh and the 4 years of SNP "informal coalition" with the Scottish Conservative party didn't happen?

"Is Mr Salmond perhaps forgetting that he and his SNP colleagues worked “hand-in-glove, shoulder-to-shoulder” with Annabel Goldie and her Scottish Conservative Party in an informal coalition that lasted from 2007 to 2011?

Even if Conservative MPs and MSPs really were the monstrous villains portrayed by Scottish Nationalists and their leftist comrades, this would preclude absolutely nothing. Were Churchill and Roosevelt wrong to work “hand-in-glove, shoulder-to-shoulder” with Joseph Stalin?"

Don't let facts get in the way of a good whine.

Or how about 1974 when the 11 SNP MP's opened the door to 18 years of Tory government?

"We don't do Tories" sayeth the forgetful Nat.

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By *exy SwingMan
over a year ago

the sticks

"Oh and the 4 years of SNP "informal coalition" with the Scottish Conservative party didn't happen?

Don't let facts get in the way of a good whine.

Or how about 1974 when the 11 SNP MP's opened the door to 18 years of Tory government?

"We don't do Tories" sayeth the forgetful Nat.

See thats exactly why labour is no longer relevant in scotland too busy worrying about others.

This is about Labour not about the snp who have made massive gains while labour will effectively be wiped off the political map within 2 years.

Labour and torries sharing platform giving each other high fives !

labour wont even release membership figures but given ballots printed were less than 5000 circa as an indication of just how depleted they are.

Lamont gone, anus bottled it, murphy the expense cheat and blairrite, darling bolted before he is kicked come election time prepping himself for the Lords who incidentally labour promise to abolish prior to every election ha ha, brown in hiding, milliband under pressure to go from his own party but none have the bottle to come out and say it.

#hopeoverfear

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

The Labour Party members mentioned are amongst those who helped win the Referendum.

See what mean about Nats being bad losers?

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

London

"Oh and the 4 years of SNP "informal coalition" with the Scottish Conservative party didn't happen?

Don't let facts get in the way of a good whine.

Or how about 1974 when the 11 SNP MP's opened the door to 18 years of Tory government?

"We don't do Tories" sayeth the forgetful Nat.

See thats exactly why labour is no longer relevant in scotland too busy worrying about others.

This is about Labour not about the snp who have made massive gains while labour will effectively be wiped off the political map within 2 years.

Labour and torries sharing platform giving each other high fives !

labour wont even release membership figures but given ballots printed were less than 5000 circa as an indication of just how depleted they are.

#hopeoverfear

I fear for Scotland. I really do.

I look at the political choice laid before me and shudder.

All 4 major parties have major defects. They are All as bad as each other - filled to the top of the trough with self serving 'monkeys' who's only though is "what's in it for me".

Hope over fear - neither puts food on the table or pays the bills.

Hold on, let me get my Scottish Govt issued tinfoil hat - to stop those nasty rays from the "dark star" and then I'll see the light.

David C will have to ask obamaman to turn on HAARP again just to make sure we scots 'toe the line'

Btw, how's the plans for the ayrshire spaceport coming?

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By *exy SwingMan
over a year ago

the sticks

"The Labour Party members mentioned are amongst those who helped win the Referendum.

See what mean about Nats being bad losers?"

Lied and fled more like.

Given that smith has vested interests i think the report will be bollox.

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By *exy SwingMan
over a year ago

the sticks

Murphy: I'll lead an assault on low pay if elected Meanwhie in WM, only 1 Lab MP turns up for Living Wage debate...

That 1 MP is the real labour wonder who it was ?

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

London

"Murphy: I'll lead an assault on low pay if elected Meanwhie in WM, only 1 Lab MP turns up for Living Wage debate...

That 1 MP is the real labour wonder who it was ?

Only one Nat turned up for the bedroom tax debate. The rest couldn't be arsed.

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By *exy SwingMan
over a year ago

the sticks

"Murphy: I'll lead an assault on low pay if elected Meanwhie in WM, only 1 Lab MP turns up for Living Wage debate...

That 1 MP is the real labour wonder who it was ?

Only one Nat turned up for the bedroom tax debate. The rest couldn't be arsed."

Maybe because labour kept it hush for over a year

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

"A Westminster with a permanent Tory majority? Is that what the Nats want?

tory or labour whats the difference?"

Schools,hospitals,NHS.

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By *leasure dom OP Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Oh and the 4 years of SNP "informal coalition" with the Scottish Conservative party didn't happen?

Don't let facts get in the way of a good whine.

Or how about 1974 when the 11 SNP MP's opened the door to 18 years of Tory government?

"We don't do Tories" sayeth the forgetful Nat.

"Scottish Nationalists and their leftist comrades" .... interesting comment that the labour activists do not even see themselves as being leftist.

Labour activist? Well, the evidence for that comes in the revealing words: "11 SNP MP's opened the door to 18 years of Tory government" Ha, ha, very good! The poor deluded souls are still clinging to this treasured labour lie (and there is no shortage of them in the labour baggage cart.

I would suggest that anyone of balanced and objective outlook could not fail to conclude that the disastrous labour government of that time (last three words being superfluous - name a labour government in the last 50 years which has not left a legacy of debt and disaster) brought upon themselves the vote of no confidence which triggered the election.

And it is equally obvious and self-explanatory that the electorate decided, in voting for 18 years of tory administrations, that they had no confidence in labour. If labour had offered a credible alternative, there would not have been 18 years of tory rule.

Oops! A Who was it said, " Don't let facts get in the way of a good whine."

Labour are a sorry bunch. If they hadn't caused so much damage to this country and its people over the past 50 years, you could almost feel sorry for the shameless scoundrels.

But, as they will find out at the next GE, there will be little forgiveness for the parcel o'rogues party.

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

London

"When the Scottish Nationalists withdrew support, a vote of no confidencewas passed on Callaghan's government, triggering a general election."

There was a good reason they were called Maggie Thatchers lap dogs.

You can't hide the fact that you opened the door for her.

Then you had a nice lovey dovey "informal coalition" with the Scottish Tories for 4 years.

Or is that another event to be written out of the history books?

Like "Once in a generation referendum".

Democracy our way or no way..

You don't like what "the sovereign will of the Scottish people" told you so you'll just keep dragging this on and on.

No doubt I'll be getting the knock at the door in the middle of the night when Och Aye 5 comes to take me to the re education center.

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By *exy SwingMan
over a year ago

the sticks

@ jane D

Labours finished no ifs no buts and not all labour voted NO the proper labour who seen vision are now joining other parties in droves thats FACT

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"@ jane D

Labours finished no ifs no buts and not all labour voted NO the proper labour who seen vision are now joining other parties in droves thats FACT

Hiding behind block capitals is childish at best.

When you say droves, do you mean the few thousand out of 1.6 million fooled into voting Yes?

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By *exy SwingMan
over a year ago

the sticks

"@ jane D

Labours finished no ifs no buts and not all labour voted NO the proper labour who seen vision are now joining other parties in droves thats FACT

Hiding behind block capitals is childish at best.

When you say droves, do you mean the few thousand out of 1.6 million fooled into voting Yes?"

Well i'd say a few thousand labour voters voting yes was being generous at best.

When your losing start throwing insults lol

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"@ jane D

Labours finished no ifs no buts and not all labour voted NO the proper labour who seen vision are now joining other parties in droves thats FACT

Hiding behind block capitals is childish at best.

When you say droves, do you mean the few thousand out of 1.6 million fooled into voting Yes?

Well i'd say a few thousand labour voters voting yes was being generous at best.

When your losing start throwing insults lol

Losing? We won.

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By *exy SwingMan
over a year ago

the sticks

We ?

Only delayed more like and sacrificed the labour party for it.

Cameron will pissing himself and keir hardie spinning

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Delayed another 300 years will suit me.

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By *exy SwingMan
over a year ago

the sticks

"Delayed another 300 years will suit me."

In other news, daily record sunday mail sales down 17% from October.

Can't imagine why

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

London

"@ jane D

Labours finished no ifs no buts and not all labour voted NO the proper labour who seen vision are now joining other parties in droves thats FACT

"A fairer more equal Scotland"

So explain how you can find £25 million for an uneconomic future scottish spaceport yet only £1/2 million to help food banks.

Or the nice bit of spin today where the commonwealth games came in under budget by £25 million, when it actually it was "contingency funds" that was given to them when they overspent the budget? Hardly the same.

80 years of planning, 7 years of government, 2 years of campaigning. The choice of date, expansion of the franchise and still you lost.

If labour falls over, Scotland will become a single party state - not something to be taken lightly. Especially when the death of corroboration is being pushed through.

State police force. State watchers for our kids. Single source evidence.

Courtesy of your current 'government'

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By *exy SwingMan
over a year ago

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@ jane D

Snp managed in 7 yrs what labour failed to do in 70

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"@ jane D

Snp managed in 7 yrs what labour failed to do in 70

Managed to lose a referendum? Neat trick.

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By *exy SwingMan
over a year ago

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"@ jane D

Snp managed in 7 yrs what labour failed to do in 70

Managed to lose a referendum? Neat trick."

Labour who ? Lol

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

London

"@ jane D

Snp managed in 7 yrs what labour failed to do in 70

What brought in an authoritarian single party state?

I look forward to the purge of the unbelievers and naysayers. (Not)

When do you form the braveheart brigades to purge the ballot boxes and nation of "undesirables".

Have you started printing the "Wee blue book" for distribution to all children in the single state sector? Or the posters "Become a government informer - Prizes to be won!"

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By *exy SwingMan
over a year ago

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"@ jane D

Snp managed in 7 yrs what labour failed to do in 70

What brought in an authoritarian single party state?

I look forward to the purge of the unbelievers and naysayers. (Not)

When do you form the braveheart brigades to purge the ballot boxes and nation of "undesirables".

Have you started printing the "Wee blue book" for distribution to all children in the single state sector? Or the posters "Become a government informer - Prizes to be won!""

Accept the will of the people surely ? Spouted it often enough.

Shame 18yo will be age to vote at GE work pay tax yet have no say at the ballot box, coincidence ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Simple explanation why labour has lost touch name 1 of the shadow cabinet or the last government outside john Prescott who wasn't privately educated? Answers on the back of a matchbox totally nothing in common with the working man

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By *exy SwingMan
over a year ago

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There is a simple explanation for the febrile, nervous mood in the Labour party right now. And it doesn’t involve secret plots, feuding factions or vindictive Tory media. It involves The Great Escape. Remember the final reel? Well, Ed Miliband’s tunnel has come up short.

A quick recap in case you last saw the film on Boxing Day 20 years ago. The allied POWs have been digging for months. It has all been carefully worked out but it hasn’t been easy – there was that moment when the Nazi commandant found one of the tunnels, and the episode when Ives lost his nerve and tried to climb the barbed wire. But for the most part everyone has kept calm, stuck with the programme and now the moment has arrived. The tunnel is ready. It goes from under the prisoners’ barracks, beneath the camp fortifications and into the woods, from where the escapees can make a break for it.

Only there’s a problem. The calculations were wrong. The tunnel is 20 feet too short. It doesn’t come out in the woods, it comes out in the open well within view of the camp lights and the sentries. The prisoners can’t postpone the escape because their forged documents have that day’s date on them. It’s now or never. The choice is back to Stalag Luft III or a desperate dash for the woods, exposed to the enemy, with no cover and every chance of being mown down by machine gun fire.

And that’s where Labour are now. There are MPs who have long harboured doubts about Ed Miliband’s capabilities as a leader. They have questioned his policy choices (from left and right angles) and fretted about his lacklustre performances on stage and in the TV studios. But most of them could at least believe in the tunnel – the narrow passage to Downing Street, buttressed by voters who had abandoned the Liberal Democrats and carved through Tory-held marginal terrain where David Cameron’s vote is hollowed out by defections to Ukip.

It was never a very inspiring proposition, burrowing surreptitiously beneath public opinion; sneaking out of opposition with forged papers. Miliband’s aides always denied that their strategy relied on the tunnel. The preferred option was to march boldly to power, all guns blazing, beneath inspirational slogans of national renewal.

Ed Miliband shakes hands with a giant pink bear.

Grin and bear it: Miliband has brushed aside complaints about his leadership.

But, as opinion polls narrowed, the consolation was that the tunnel would still get them there in the end. Except it’s too short. Some of the Lib Dem switchers are drifting off to the Greens, or Ukip or who-knows-where. Some of the voters who backed the party in 2010, the diehard core that was meant to lay a 29-point concrete floor beneath Labour’s support, look less than solid. And, in Scotland it feels as if the ceiling is about to cave in.

Then there are Miliband’s personal ratings. Candidates and activists report a hardening of attitudes on the doorstep since May’s local and European elections. Before, people would complain that they didn’t know what to make of the Labour leader; he wasn’t a candidate they could get a purchase on and that made them wary. Now, I’m told, the mood has hardened. The benefit of the doubt is being withdrawn; contempt fills the gap.

Yet Labour MPs also know there is no simple mechanism for changing the leader, no obvious replacement and every reason to think that a messy effort at regicide would make the whole situation much worse. As one backbencher put it to me when I asked about talk of delegations or letters to persuade Miliband to stand aside: “Lots of us have thought about it at some point but then you war-game it through and realise it can’t work.” Reports of plots and pacts between shadow cabinet ministers are overblown – old rumour recast as news – but they express a real darkening of the mood.

Miliband’s leadership and potential successors are the inevitable topic of conversation whenever Labour folk gather in one place. While MPs know the right thing to do is “shut up, get back into the trenches, hold the line” (as one shadow cabinet minister pithily puts it) they can’t help thinking about life after Ed.

And, as one frontbencher explained to me recently, once you start thinking about it, the logical next step is to start organising for it because, if you know someone you definitely don’t think should be the next leader is preparing to run – yes, they’re talking about you, Andy Burnham – it makes sense to get active on behalf of someone else. Or at least to start considering who that someone else should be and contingency planning for the race.

But there’s a general election in just six months. And it’s an election Labour – ahead in most polls – could still feasibly win (or at least emerge with the most seats in a hung parliament).

So it’s the middle of the night. The party is crammed into one end of the tunnel, the documents are ready and the date is set. Escape from opposition is possible and this is the only way out. No turning back now.

But the tunnel is too short. They were supposed to be in the woods but the tree line is a full 20 feet away. That’s 20 long feet in the glaring spotlight, with heavily armed guards all around and the only plan left is a mad dash for it; every man for himself; try not to get killed; hopefully see you on the other side. No wonder they’re scared.

Guardian summed it up ever so well

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By *leasure dom OP Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"@ jane D

Snp managed in 7 yrs what labour failed to do in 70

What brought in an authoritarian single party state?

I look forward to the purge of the unbelievers and naysayers. (Not)

When do you form the braveheart brigades to purge the ballot boxes and nation of "undesirables".

Have you started printing the "Wee blue book" for distribution to all children in the single state sector? Or the posters "Become a government informer - Prizes to be won!""

Oh, the delicious irony of those comments, coming from an entrenched supporter of the labour party.

The new labour conspiracy gave this country the most neo-fascistic, controlling, anti-democratic destroyer of the rights of the individual (wartime apart) since the dictatorship of Oliver Cromwell.

There are many who voted yes who have concerns about some recent legislation at Holyrood (most of it down to a justice minister of poor judgement) and bad policy at the top of the police force and in the procurator's office, but to talk of a "purge of the unbelievers and naysayers" or "braveheart brigades to purge the ballot boxes and nation of undesirables" (ballot rigging is actually a labour favourite!, or the comments about wee blue book and government informers....... what can one say? Bonkers, just bonkers.

And then you get a comment from _nny suggesting that those who decided to vote YES were fooled.....

Is it any wonder that all the artistic events at the festival with an independence theme were full of performers and writers who were brought up in labour households and formerly voted that way, but who will never again vote for them and have nothing but contempt for their former party, and shame and sadness at the depths to which it has sunk.

As one former labour MP campaigning for independence said to me when I reminded him of his old party's sins against Scotland, including the disgusting and anti-democratic 40% fix: "Sometimes it takes time to acquire enlightenment. At least I'm on the right path now."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

R.I.P scottish labour sold out the scottish ppl stood side by side with the tories, lied and scaremongered to keep the tories in power in scotland and that wont be forgoten ,roll on the gen election so we can make them pay .

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

London

"@ jane D

Snp managed in 7 yrs what labour failed to do in 70

What brought in an authoritarian single party state?

I look forward to the purge of the unbelievers and naysayers. (Not)

When do you form the braveheart brigades to purge the ballot boxes and nation of "undesirables".

Have you started printing the "Wee blue book" for distribution to all children in the single state sector? Or the posters "Become a government informer - Prizes to be won!"

Oh, the delicious irony of those comments, coming from an entrenched supporter of the labour party.

The new labour conspiracy gave this country the most neo-fascistic, controlling, anti-democratic destroyer of the rights of the individual (wartime apart) since the dictatorship of Oliver Cromwell.

And then you get a comment from _nny suggesting that those who decided to vote YES were fooled.....

First and foremost I am not an "entrenched supporter" of the labour party. I have never been a card carrying member of the labour party.

I support pluralist democracy. You obviously don't. It's our way or no way.

What I am trying to do is point out that we currently stand on the brink of becoming a single party state.

The current scottish government seems to have a centralising agenda which is at odds with its "Fairer, more equal Scotland" agenda.

There were and still are plenty of Scots who called those who wanted to remain in the union - traitors, quislings, Uncle jocks etc. Some went as far as proposing that on independence no voters should "fuck off to their beloved England".

The legacy of the referendum is a scotland divided.

I find that quite sad.

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By *exy SwingMan
over a year ago

the sticks

@ jane

The legacy is a scotland more enthralled in politics than its ever been.

Labour had the chance to break from london and have a proper mandate for scotland. Lamont resigned because she didnt like westmonster dictating policy, eh hello thats what you campained for quite ironic.

Manchester and other cities in england will follow the scots to seek whats best for them not those in london.

The referendum a setback in name only if your honest scotland will gain independence in out lifetime.

What is emphatically true is that Labour is finished as a branch spin off from london.

Independence would see a proper scottish labour at present its a london spin off with 5000 cira members.

Embrace the political change as all other pro indy parties are then choose a party to represent your best interests.

When murphy takes leadership that will be the best thing ever for the snp as it will be the final nail in coffin for the red tories.

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By *r humanMan
over a year ago

edinburgh

Person think keiza dugdale msp should stood for leadership of labour in Scotland

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By *exy SwingMan
over a year ago

the sticks

"Person think keiza dugdale msp should stood for leadership of labour in Scotland "

Yeah everyone likes a dug

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Person think keiza dugdale msp should stood for leadership of labour in Scotland

Yeah everyone likes a dug

What was it you said about insults? Oh yes.

".........

When your losing start throwing insults lol

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By *bi_scotlandTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow

The Labour party are an absoulte shambles and I have no sympathy for them at all. They took their power in Scotland for granted and were tainted with corruption. It's all coming home to roost for them now.

In saying all that though the SNP are possibly the most opressive party we've seen in Scotland and the (deliberate?) faiulre of those who are pro-indy or pro SNP to see the lies and control freakery from them is pretty breathtaking. Will this change now that Salmond has gone? Time will tell.

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By *exy SwingMan
over a year ago

the sticks

"Person think keiza dugdale msp should stood for leadership of labour in Scotland

Yeah everyone likes a dug

What was it you said about insults? Oh yes.

.........

When your losing start throwing insults lol

You don't like dugs then ?

Anus emailed me earlier asking for a fiver and saying i can vote in the leadership contest, how desperate !

I'd rather dump and clap

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By *exy SwingMan
over a year ago

the sticks

"The Labour party are an absoulte shambles and I have no sympathy for them at all. They took their power in Scotland for granted and were tainted with corruption. It's all coming home to roost for them now.

You don't hear much about the "one" nation these days.

Meanwhile Nicky continues her sell out tour

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

".......

Meanwhile Nicky continues her sell out tour

Amazing how often you see 'Nicky' and 'sell out' in the same sentence.

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By *exy SwingMan
over a year ago

the sticks

".......

Meanwhile Nicky continues her sell out tour

Amazing how often you see 'Nicky' and 'sell out' in the same sentence."

Sold out the hydro quicker than it takes folks to realise there is no such thing as scottish labour.

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By *exy SwingMan
over a year ago

the sticks

Expenses 2014/15

Alex Salmond £9691

Anus Sarwar labour £204,606,89

Jim Murphy labour

Expenses -

2012-2013 - £80,767

2013-2014 - £196,969!!!

Plus an MP's salary of Circa £65k.

Salmond donates 1/3 of salary to charity.

Jim murphy Letting out his London home whilst claiming Public money to rent in the city.

Jim Murphy was made pay back almost £4,000 of over claimed expenses. He got almost £5000 of our money to fit a new toilet into his house.

Labour has had over 9 million pound from union subs and how many strikes have they backed ? Zero

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By *eatherWoman
over a year ago

glasgow

As i said before labour is not the party it started out as many many many years ago It has become so complacent for the scottish vote thinking it was theyre god given right to have it and we wouldnt dare vote for any other party aye be careful Labour your going to hell and theres no way back

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who voted out the Labour government by VOTING with the tories to give us all thatcher,,,mmmmmmm cant remember was it the SNP , short memories people !!!!!!!

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By *exy SwingMan
over a year ago

the sticks

"Who voted out the Labour government by VOTING with the tories to give us all thatcher,,,mmmmmmm cant remember was it the SNP , short memories people !!!!!!!"

Sober up that argument died along time ago in project fear.

There is only ONE party to put Scotland first thats the SNP.

Scotland voted Labour for years and still got tories doh !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

sober up !!!! I don't drink !!!!

yes and we will all head off to the promised land of milk and honey !!!!

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By *exy SwingMan
over a year ago

the sticks

"sober up !!!! I don't drink !!!!

yes and we will all head off to the promised land of milk and honey !!!!"

Well there is less than 5000 left in Scotland so rich pickings if you ever find it with Labour lol

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By *exy SwingMan
over a year ago

the sticks

"sober up !!!! I don't drink !!!!

Might want to change "social drinker" from profile

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Expenses 2014/15

Alex Salmond £9691

Anus Sarwar labour £204,606,89

Jim Murphy labour

Expenses -

2012-2013 - £80,767

2013-2014 - £196,969!!!

Plus an MP's salary of Circa £65k.

Salmond donates 1/3 of salary to charity.

You only have to look at the three gentlemen's waistlines to see which is living high on the hog.

BTW. Eck's 2014/15 'expenses' take no account of the cost of running Bute House, official travel or Eck's security - including at Strichen.

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By *exy SwingMan
over a year ago

the sticks

"You only have to look at the three gentlemen's waistlines to see which is living high on the hog."

Bit of sweeping statement so there is no poor fat fuckers lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Expenses 2014/15

Alex Salmond £9691

Anus Sarwar labour £204,606,89

Jim Murphy labour

Expenses -

2012-2013 - £80,767

2013-2014 - £196,969!!!

Plus an MP's salary of Circa £65k.

Salmond donates 1/3 of salary to charity.

You only have to look at the three gentlemen's waistlines to see which is living high on the hog.

BTW. Eck's 2014/15 'expenses' take no account of the cost of running Bute House, official travel or Eck's security - including at Strichen."

He's first Minister FFS, something the other two will never know. Does CaMorons security and number 10 end up on his expenses? Ridiculous scraping of the barrel attempt at an argument.

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By *exy SwingMan
over a year ago

the sticks

"Expenses 2014/15

Alex Salmond £9691

Anus Sarwar labour £204,606,89

Jim Murphy labour

Expenses -

2012-2013 - £80,767

2013-2014 - £196,969!!!

Plus an MP's salary of Circa £65k.

Salmond donates 1/3 of salary to charity.

You only have to look at the three gentlemen's waistlines to see which is living high on the hog.

BTW. Eck's 2014/15 'expenses' take no account of the cost of running Bute House, official travel or Eck's security - including at Strichen.

He's first Minister FFS, something the other two will never know. Does CaMorons security and number 10 end up on his expenses? Ridiculous scraping of the barrel attempt at an argument. "

Yes well as we have established those with no argument throw insults.

1/3 of ecks salary to charity yet he's still a fat rich fucker apparently.

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By *ary_ArgyllMan
over a year ago

Argyll

I've got nothing in particular against the SNP - I just think that any party in power needs a strong opposition - it is generally bad for democracy when there is only a single dominant party - this point of view has nothing to do with Scottish Independence.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Expenses 2014/15

Alex Salmond £9691

Anus Sarwar labour £204,606,89

Jim Murphy labour

Expenses -

2012-2013 - £80,767

2013-2014 - £196,969!!!

Plus an MP's salary of Circa £65k.

Salmond donates 1/3 of salary to charity.

You only have to look at the three gentlemen's waistlines to see which is living high on the hog.

BTW. Eck's 2014/15 'expenses' take no account of the cost of running Bute House, official travel or Eck's security - including at Strichen.

He's first Minister FFS, something the other two will never know. Does CaMorons security and number 10 end up on his expenses? Ridiculous scraping of the barrel attempt at an argument. "

Not ridiculous at all. Pointing out that the post isn't comparing like with like.

eg Murphy and Sarwar's claims include the cost of travel between their constituencies in/ nr Glasgow and the workplace in London. Eck's travel to work is paid for under 'official travel' (the FM's official car).

No doubt Eck could get a deal from him homophobic chum, Brian Souter, for discounted bus travel to and from Edinburgh.

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By *exy SwingMan
over a year ago

the sticks

"Not ridiculous at all. Pointing out that the post isn't comparing like with like.

No doubt Eck could get a deal from him homophobic chum, Brian Souter, for discounted bus travel to and from Edinburgh. "

Thousand commute from scotland to london and vice versa daily that argument laughable.

Least eck wasnt charged with public indecency like the labour councillor was whilst caught dogging Sucking cock

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By *exy SwingMan
over a year ago

the sticks

another oil feild starts production in Scotland this week, producing 18,000 barrels per day. yes we have been shafted

Oil production has started at the major Golden Eagle development in the UK North Sea, according to operators Nexen Petroleum UK.

The development currently has two wells with the potential to produce about 18,000 barrels of oil per day.

Eventually 15 production wells and six water injection wells will be drilled.

The Golden Eagle Area Development (GEAD) is expected to reach peak production of about 70,000 barrels per day in 2015.

The project, which includes the Golden Eagle, Peregrine and Solitaire fields, lies about 70km (44 miles) north-east of Aberdeen.

Nexen, which is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Chinese offshore oil producer CNOOC, has 36.54% interest in the development.

The remaining interests are held by Maersk Oil North Sea UK (31.56%), Suncor Energy UK (26.69%) and Edinburgh oil and Gas (5.21%).

Source bbc

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"..........

Thousand commute from scotland to london and vice versa daily that argument laughable. "

Really?

Thousands?

Daily?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"another oil feild starts production in Scotland this week, producing 18,000 barrels per day. yes we have been shafted

Oil production has started at the major Golden Eagle development in the UK North Sea, according to operators Nexen Petroleum UK.

The development currently has two wells with the potential to produce about 18,000 barrels of oil per day.

Eventually 15 production wells and six water injection wells will be drilled.

The Golden Eagle Area Development (GEAD) is expected to reach peak production of about 70,000 barrels per day in 2015.

The project, which includes the Golden Eagle, Peregrine and Solitaire fields, lies about 70km (44 miles) north-east of Aberdeen.

Nexen, which is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Chinese offshore oil producer CNOOC, has 36.54% interest in the development.

The remaining interests are held by Maersk Oil North Sea UK (31.56%), Suncor Energy UK (26.69%) and Edinburgh oil and Gas (5.21%).

Source bbc "

BBC? Nats hate the BBC and don't believe a word they print.