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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

you really coudnt make this up gordon brown has came out and asked the scottish ppl to siqn a petition asking for the tories to keep to thier word to give us more powers ,fck it was only 2 weeks ago he was telling us that it was all sorted and he had garentees from condems oh he and all labour ppl must feel like tits for doing the tories dirty work then getting shaffted !!!karma is a great thing and labour in scotland are nothing but a laughing stock in scotland now they will be wiped out at the next elections and rightly so for betraying the scottish ppl for 30 peices ha fcking ha .

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Gordon knows, perhaps more than anyone, that you can't trust a Tory (or a Tartan Tory).

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By *cottishsexgoddessWoman
over a year ago

Glenrothes

Don't you just love it? :-/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The guys a traitor in my eyes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tory trap from 79 from labour !

1/4 based their No vote on the "vow"

SNP memebership quadruples in 2 weeks.

labour will be battered at the ballot box.

To the No voters i'm sure you will be one of the 100,000 brown want's to sign petition to give to westminster in October. Guilt !

#youcouldntmakeitup

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The guys a traitor in my eyes

yip a very foolish traitor who done the tories dirty work for them ,i can see the red tories being slaughtered at next election and its what they deserve for selling us out.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Don't you just love it? :-/"

its called karma lol

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

"Tory trap from 79 from labour !

1/4 based their No vote on the "vow"

SNP memebership quadruples in 2 weeks.

labour will be battered at the ballot box.

To the No voters i'm sure you will be one of the 100,000 brown want's to sign petition to give to westminster in October. Guilt !

#youcouldntmakeitup "
guilt? Some folk really need to get over it shock horror the vow ment squat to most who voted no accept its the will of the people and im sure like me they feel no guilt no matter how many times this claptrap is flung in our face

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tory trap from 79 from labour !

1/4 based their No vote on the "vow"

SNP memebership quadruples in 2 weeks.

labour will be battered at the ballot box.

To the No voters i'm sure you will be one of the 100,000 brown want's to sign petition to give to westminster in October. Guilt !

#youcouldntmakeitup guilt? Some folk really need to get over it shock horror the vow ment squat to most who voted no accept its the will of the people and im sure like me they feel no guilt no matter how many times this claptrap is flung in our face"

1/4 voted No based on the "vow"

They would have voted Yes taking it to a 59% Yes had they not believed the lies.

Only folk that are deluded are those who actually believed the BS.

To the other 45 lot i salute you !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the vow ment squat to most who voted no"

Absurd

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

Pmsl pull 1/4 out thin air go tell me aboit some magicians poll that confirms this here it is plain and simple most folk in scotland rejected the yes campaign.........fact for the yes voters trying to lay guilt on this that the other rather than accept their fellow scots didnt buy the snp pipedream perhaps its these feel guilt folk who should feel guiltIinstead of crying into their oil bowls and drying their eyes with the scound deal with it till a decent proposal is put before the people we are part of great britain

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By *ustcutieWoman
over a year ago

edinburgh

I voted no.... Did I believe the "vow" no..... Did I believe the yes camp promises ..... No

Do I feel guilty .... No

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Pmsl pull 1/4 out thin air go tell me aboit some magicians poll that confirms this here it is plain and simple most folk in scotland rejected the yes campaign.........fact for the yes voters trying to lay guilt on this that the other rather than accept their fellow scots didnt buy the snp pipedream perhaps its these feel guilt folk who should feel guiltIinstead of crying into their oil bowls and drying their eyes with the scound deal with it till a decent proposal is put before the people we are part of great britain"

Its fact easily confirmed by various pro union tabloids and other media.

New oil apparently discovered to last considerably longer that the projected 50 years.

Home rule promised

Petition begging westminster to deliver.

All in 2 short weeks.

Roll on the election

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I voted no.... Did I believe the "vow" no..... Did I believe the yes camp promises ..... No

Do I feel guilty .... No

it's so sad how people are still going on about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I voted no.... Did I believe the "vow" no..... Did I believe the yes camp promises ..... No

Do I feel guilty .... No

it's so sad how people are still going on about it. "

Sad ? Perhaps the reason is what was promised is now being watered down.

Its sad that people accept it.

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By *ustcutieWoman
over a year ago

edinburgh

"I voted no.... Did I believe the "vow" no..... Did I believe the yes camp promises ..... No

Do I feel guilty .... No

it's so sad how people are still going on about it.

Sad ? Perhaps the reason is what was promised is now being watered down.

Its sad that people accept it. "

Yep because I'm sure everything that the yes camp promised would have been carried through .......

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I voted no.... Did I believe the "vow" no..... Did I believe the yes camp promises ..... No

Do I feel guilty .... No

it's so sad how people are still going on about it. "

this wasnt meant to be about yes or no but about gordon brown having to ask ppl to siqn a petition 2wks after giving a speech saying he would make sure all the vows would be met,so he must feel hes been shafted or he wouldnt have to ask,i and alot of others have accepted the result and our goal now is to take as much support away from the party who we think sold us out by siding with the tories .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Labour have shot themselves in the foot by jumping into bed with the Tories over the no vote

A lot will never forget that

As is this still going on but sorry

I do worry about the state my countries in

As do folk worry about what's the best sex position on here is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I voted no.... Did I believe the "vow" no..... Did I believe the yes camp promises ..... No

Do I feel guilty .... No

it's so sad how people are still going on about it.

Sad ? Perhaps the reason is what was promised is now being watered down.

Its sad that people accept it.

Yep because I'm sure everything that the yes camp promised would have been carried through .......

The onus though is not on the Yes its on the No brigade to deliver.

As a No voter you should be making sure the promise is kept.

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By *awk3y3Man
over a year ago

West Lothian

The Government is increasing the availability of flu jabs. There is a strong correlation between those who were inoculated last year, nearly two million, and the two million who voted No in the referendum. Far be it from me to start another conspiracy theory but ...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Labour have shot themselves in the foot by jumping into bed with the Tories over the no vote

A lot will never forget that

As is this still going on but sorry

I do worry about the state my countries in

As do folk worry about what's the best sex position on here is

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By *wiftieeMan
over a year ago

near Glasgow

"I voted no.... Did I believe the "vow" no..... Did I believe the yes camp promises ..... No

Do I feel guilty .... No

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gordon Brown, a son of the Manse puts his hand in Cameron's pocket & supped with the Devil. Should have known better!!!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

It's sad to see the '45' still haven't come to terms with the fact they lost.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's sad to see the '45' still haven't come to terms with the fact they lost."

The 45's weren't hood winked, your Labour party will be taken to task at the ballot box and you know it.

20 yrs i have had a labour membership cancelled 3 months ago.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I voted no.... Did I believe the "vow" no..... Did I believe the yes camp promises ..... No

Do I feel guilty .... No

it's so sad how people are still going on about it.

Sad ? Perhaps the reason is what was promised is now being watered down.

Its sad that people accept it.

Yep because I'm sure everything that the yes camp promised would have been carried through .......

You'll never know because 55% of voters were either too scared or too selfish to cut ties from the corruption that is Westminster.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

It's hard to believe we were expected to put Scotland's financial future in a bunch of people who don't know that 45 55.

PS. Have you seen the Brent Crude price today?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's hard to believe we were expected to put Scotland's financial future in a bunch of people who don't know that 45 55.

PS. Have you seen the Brent Crude price today?"

Its even harder on those who voted No in the belief the promises would be delivered.

Or that folks are actually excusing them, i don't know whats worse tbh.

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By *ustcutieWoman
over a year ago

edinburgh

You'll never know because 55% of voters were either too scared or too selfish to cut ties from the corruption that is Westminster."

I was neither scared or selfish, I looked into it and decided my vote on the facts as I seen them.... To call people names because of that fact is something I consider should have been left in the playground

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow

99% of opinion polls had a No win before Gordon Browns promises of extra powers. Probably just as important is all the bookmakers had No winning. The idea that there was a large swing of voters to No based on Brown's promises is a myth that has no basis in fact. People need to accept the result and move on.

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By *ustcutieWoman
over a year ago

edinburgh

"99% of opinion polls had a No win before Gordon Browns promises of extra powers. Probably just as important is all the bookmakers had No winning. The idea that there was a large swing of voters to No based on Brown's promises is a myth that has no basis in fact. People need to accept the result and move on. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Accept the deceit and lies ?

No wonder the country's fucked.

The fight continues for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So the 25% swing of undecideds because of the vow and browns promise is a myth?

Must tell the media who are reporting it they're printing lies (again).

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow

You'll never know because 55% of voters were either too scared or too selfish to cut ties from the corruption that is Westminster.

Unfortunately it's been all too common lately. It's disgusting and divisive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sad times when 55 still want to be lead by london and follow them like sheep cause there too fert to stand up for themselves and take control of there own futures.

Just because the union been around for 307 yrs. Dosent mean it was rght then or right now.

Well done the 45 who beleve in whats right and see the light.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You'll never know because 55% of voters were either too scared or too selfish to cut ties from the corruption that is Westminster.

Unfortunately it's been all too common lately. It's disgusting and divisive. "

Nearly as disgusting as the scare tactics and lies that were employed to win the vote.

Devo max promised at the last minute to swing the vote after Cameron had refused to allow it on the ballot paper when he thought a no vote was academic.

A desperate last minute tactic that worked and now they're reneging on the promises made.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thats london for you.

Promise the earth then backtract on it.

Pity all m.ps cant be charged with lying and sent to jail when there caught.

Wonder how they would work for say 24k a year and no second job.

Would we get the m.p that works for us insteed of for his/her own pocket and glory.

Mind now gordon and alister bankrupted the uk nation as a whole.

Notice that wasnt mentioned when they were touring up here

How can they be trusted when theyve done that.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Thats london for you.

Promise the earth then backtract on it.

Pity all m.ps cant be charged with lying and sent to jail when there caught.

Wonder how they would work for say 24k a year and no second job.

Would we get the m.p that works for us insteed of for his/her own pocket and glory.

Mind now gordon and alister bankrupted the uk nation as a whole.

Notice that wasnt mentioned when they were touring up here

How can they be trusted when theyve done that.

It wasn't mentioned cos it isn't true.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Thats london for you.

Promise the earth then backtract on it.

Pity all m.ps cant be charged with lying and sent to jail when there caught.

Wonder how they would work for say 24k a year and no second job.

Would we get the m.p that works for us insteed of for his/her own pocket and glory.

Mind now gordon and alister bankrupted the uk nation as a whole.

Notice that wasnt mentioned when they were touring up here

How can they be trusted when theyve done that.

It wasn't mentioned cos it isn't true."

you must be the.only person who thinks that and you will prob say he never sold the gold reserves for coppers and never robbed the pensions,you should take your red tory tinted glasses off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I voted no.... Did I believe the "vow" no..... Did I believe the yes camp promises ..... No

Do I feel guilty .... No

it's so sad how people are still going on about it.

Sad ? Perhaps the reason is what was promised is now being watered down.

Its sad that people accept it.

Yep because I'm sure everything that the yes camp promised would have been carried through .......

You'll never know because 55% of voters were either too scared or too selfish to cut ties from the corruption that is Westminster."

Selfish people who only care about themselves. A chance for a fairer society fucked for the future generations. Greedy sad selfish people who voted no.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

Have you no shame always read the claims that the no campaign did this or that the only bile and rehtoric im reading is coming from dummy oit the cot yes voters give it a by you want change same as those who voted no diffrence is those who voted no didnt buy the fable being sold from the yes campaign as I no voter I dont see myself selling my country I see myself saving my country if a more worthy scheme with proper sound reasoning was placed on the table who knows..... but the rainbows butterflys oil baths and the world laid bare on scotlands doorstep I wasnt buying into let me repeat those who voted no did so to save the country as they see it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Have you no shame always read the claims that the no campaign did this or that the only bile and rehtoric im reading is coming from dummy oit the cot yes voters give it a by you want change same as those who voted no diffrence is those who voted no didnt buy the fable being sold from the yes campaign as I no voter I dont see myself selling my country I see myself saving my country if a more worthy scheme with proper sound reasoning was placed on the table who knows..... but the rainbows butterflys oil baths and the world laid bare on scotlands doorstep I wasnt buying into let me repeat those who voted no did so to save the country as they see it"

Couldn't agree more or put it better.

well said that man

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolute pish.

Brown wants you to sign a petition now saying please, please honour what you offered.

Saving the country by inflicting another generation to tory rule from Westminster.

What drugs are you taking?

Have you not watched any of their conference?

Does it fill you with glee?

I feel safer already.

Thanks for that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolute pish.

Brown wants you to sign a petition now saying please, please honour what you offered.

Saving the country by inflicting another generation to tory rule from Westminster.

What drugs are you taking?

Have you not watched any of their conference?

Does it fill you with glee?

I feel safer already.

Thanks for that."

Summed up perfectly

With emphasis on the absolute pish

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow

Just keep seeing insults being thrown around by some Yes voters and it's happening again on this thread. I keep reading about a fairer society etc and yet they seem to have difficulty with any dissenting opinions. Thankfully others seem able to rise above this.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Just keep seeing insults being thrown around by some Yes voters and it's happening again on this thread. I keep reading about a fairer society etc and yet they seem to have difficulty with any dissenting opinions. Thankfully others seem able to rise above this. "

Whilst attempting to rise above it, I can't but smile at the news that Kenny MacAskill's policy of arming cops attending road traffic incidents or village fetes has been dumped by Steve House

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Insults? Where?

Or do you class any opinion that differs to yours insulting?

In that case, I'd have to say yours were insulting too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whilst attempting to rise above it, I can't but smile at the news that Kenny MacAskill's policy of arming cops attending road traffic incidents or village fetes has been dumped by Steve House

Hmmmm, gloating doesn't fall into the rising above category.

Quite the opposite actually.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whilst attempting to rise above it, I can't but smile at the news that Kenny MacAskill's policy of arming cops attending road traffic incidents or village fetes has been dumped by Steve House

Hmmmm, gloating doesn't fall into the rising above category.

Quite the opposite actually."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont care anymore - none of life's problems can be solved by any Government, they all lie, tax you to the hilt and divide and conquer. Im totally disillusioned with politics.

But thats just my opinion lol.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Whilst attempting to rise above it, I can't but smile at the news that Kenny MacAskill's policy of arming cops attending road traffic incidents or village fetes has been dumped by Steve House

Hmmmm, gloating doesn't fall into the rising above category.

Quite the opposite actually.

I did say I was 'attempting'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Labour have shot themselves in the foot by jumping into bed with the Tories over the no vote

A lot will never forget that

As is this still going on but sorry

I do worry about the state my countries in

As do folk worry about what's the best sex position on here is

I don't think I've ever been as engaged or completed as much research into politics as I have since the Yes/No vote was announced. I think it's a great thing that people still care & want to effect change for the better.

Appreciate that for those not interested it must get boring but I'm def still interested.

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By *andG4moreCouple
over a year ago

Dunbartonshire

Whilst attempting to rise above it, I can't but smile at the news that Kenny MacAskill's policy of arming cops attending road traffic incidents or village fetes has been dumped by Steve House

Actually it was Steven House and Police Scotland that wanted to have specialist armed officers doing routine patrols not the justice sec.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wed, 01/10/2014 - 16:22

The SNP has called for a “meaningful” debate in the House of Commons on Westminster's 'vow' of more powers for Scotland as it has been revealed that the debate secured by the former Prime Minister is nothing more than an end of session half hour debate, which would only involve him and a Scotland Office Minister.

Pete Wishart MP has written to the Speaker of the House of Commons to request a full day debate on the promises made to Scotland by the Prime Minister, the Deputy Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition.

Pete Wishart MP said:

“Gordon Brown has been hopeless in his attempts to hold Westminster and their ‘vow’ to account.

“Gordon Brown’s debate is nothing other than an end of day adjournment debate, meaning that it will only last a half hour, is un-amendable and cannot be voted on. In this case, no-one but Gordon Brown and a Minister from the Scotland Office will be given the opportunity to speak, unless granted through intervention from the Right Honourable Member himself- and Gordon Brown is not exactly renowned for his generosity in debate.

“Such an adjournment debate as set by Mr Brown is insufficient to address the full range of concerns about the issue of ‘more powers’ promised to Scotland. Many voters, in considering how they would be voting in that referendum, were influenced by this ‘vow’ and have since been following with interest the progress of how it will be honoured.

"What's more, in an astonishing move, Gordon Brown himself has called on 100 000 Scots to sign a petition calling on Westminster to keep their promises to Scotland.

“A solemn vow made by the Prime Minister, the Deputy Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition must surely rank as one of the most important joint statements delivered by the House in recent times. It should be given the attention and time it deserves. “

Note to Editors: The letter to the Speaker from Pete Wishart MP

Source SNP website.

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow

Insults? Where?

Or do you class any opinion that differs to yours insulting?

In that case, I'd have to say yours were insulting too."

Well I've seen scared, selfish and greedy used by you and another poster. Id say most people would find those insulting.

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By *iceguy 1966Man
over a year ago

in pa postcode

I thought that we were finished talking about all of this boring dung, then the shortbread and baffies brigade just dredge it all back up again

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I thought that we were finished talking about all of this boring dung, then the shortbread and baffies brigade just dredge it all back up again

A bit like English folk talking about 1966.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd say more of

The no voters not wanting to hear the truth ... They fell for the lies and promises

And all they are getting is fobbed off

Something that 45% knew was always gonna happen

Me... I'm still interested in the state and running of my country

Auds

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow

I didn't fall for any lies or promises. I voted No to independence, nothing more.

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By *lue4youCouple
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

As Gordon Brown begs for signatures to beg London to honour promises Charles Dickens must be pleased that the spirit of Oliver Twist is alive and well with "Please Sir Can I have some more". Pity some believed him and didn't take what would have been our right

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

The 100,000 signatures have been reached.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The 100,000 signatures have been reached."

Interesting to see from the 100,000 who voted what on the day.

My own view is yes and No should unite and take to the streets to ensure home rule is delivered.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

Accept the result stop trying to make out those who voted no are turn coats as has been said the time for division is past what is required now is unity in time a decent proposal may surface but I will never put my children and their children in jepordy for pipedreams im as patriotic as the next person and scotland being devided is not a position of strength instead of playing the blame game approach your mp and msp and let them know what you want flinging mud suits no one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Accept the result stop trying to make out those who voted no are turn coats as has been said the time for division is past what is required now is unity in time a decent proposal may surface but I will never put my children and their children in jepordy for pipedreams im as patriotic as the next person and scotland being devided is not a position of strength instead of playing the blame game approach your mp and msp and let them know what you want flinging mud suits no one "

Accept the result ?

Well why is Brown seeking a petition ?

Why did 45% see the lies ?

Happily shafted ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Move on !

The famous 55

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

Accept the result ?

Well why is Brown seeking a petition ?

Why did 45% see the lies ?

Happily shafted ? "
lol again convinced rveryone who voted no did so with the promised devo powers newsflash most folk I know chose long before....... biggest problem the fibbing yes polls convinced alot of folk it was in the bag now the yes campaign want a scapegoat let it go the majority spoke thats ths fact if you are really that unhappy in britain ......emigrate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Accept the result ?

Well why is Brown seeking a petition ?

Why did 45% see the lies ?

Happily shafted ? lol again convinced rveryone who voted no did so with the promised devo powers newsflash most folk I know chose long before....... biggest problem the fibbing yes polls convinced alot of folk it was in the bag now the yes campaign want a scapegoat let it go the majority spoke thats ths fact if you are really that unhappy in britain ......emigrate "

I'll sing flower of scotland with pride and leave you to be patriotic with verse 6 of God save the Queen

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By *bi_scotlandTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow

I don't know a single person who voted No due to the promise of further powers. I know it certainly didn't come into it for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The majority were fed lies and vows. The medis were complicit. Pensioners were told they wouldn't get their pension. The wood report published declining oil reserves and a week later new technology was found that guaranteed supplies for decades. He then got his fracking license in reward for spinning his lies.

You've subjected your children to Westminster rule. To a country that should be wealthy but has foodbanks the length and breadth to feed the increasing poor.

And you're happy?

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By *bi_scotlandTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow

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By *bi_scotlandTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow

Yes, I'm happy.

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over a year ago

Not my favourite Stranglers number ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not my favourite Stranglers number ....

can think of a few Stranglers songs that would be apt for politicians:

No more heroes

Nice 'n' sleazy

Down in the sewer

Ugly

The man they love to hate

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Accept the result ?

......... "

Are you saying you DON'T accept the result?

Even Eck, before he was sent homewards to think again, accepted the result.

As I predicted, the men in grey kilts came to him in the night and insisted he fall on his claymore.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im a 45er, 69er and lots of other numbers, but There's Always The Sun

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By *unglasgow69Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Why can't the Yes campaign just get over themselves. You lost accept it move on. 2.1m said no. 28 out of 32 districts said NO. It was pretty emphatic so stop whining for Independence you had your chance you lost. The bitterness from the Yes voters shows no signs of letting up. I am enjoying your ongoing pain

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over a year ago

Why is it that so many people think that yes supporters still being in favour of independence amounts to "not getting over it" did any of you think that a no vote would be the end of the independence movement ? That seems pretty naive in my opinion.

as for people being high and mighty about name calling, its not too long since no supporters were calling yes supporters nazis etc, if you are going to condemn one side for poor behaviour apply it to other side as well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why can't the Yes campaign just get over themselves. You lost accept it move on. 2.1m said no. 28 out of 32 districts said NO. It was pretty emphatic so stop whining for Independence you had your chance you lost. The bitterness from the Yes voters shows no signs of letting up. I am enjoying your ongoing pain "

Who is bitter? Who wont let it go?

Not me.

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

1/4 voted No based on the "vow"

They would have voted Yes taking it to a 59% Yes had they not believed the lies.

Only folk that are deluded are those who actually believed the BS.

To the other 45 lot i salute you ! "

Can you pleae supply a link the the stats that show a 1/4 voted NO based on the vow? Was it writtin on their ballot papers .."OH am voting NO due to the VOW?" Thanks in advance....

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

and dont forget about the 640,000 who registered by did NOT vote. So thats 2.7million vote who did NOT vote YES.

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over a year ago

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"The majority were fed lies and vows. The medis were complicit. Pensioners were told they wouldn't get their pension. The wood report published declining oil reserves and a week later new technology was found that guaranteed supplies for decades. He then got his fracking license in reward for spinning his lies.

You've subjected your children to Westminster rule. To a country that should be wealthy but has foodbanks the length and breadth to feed the increasing poor.

And you're happy?"

Here we go again with the foodbanks. Why dont you do your homework. Norway is wealthy, its got TRILLIONS. BUT wait a minute IT HAS FOOD BANKS, IT HAS POVERTY, IT HAS 78,000 Children living in povery, it has 3.5percent unemployment, SO HOW THE HELL CAN MONEY SOLVE THE PROBLEMS? If they cant solve it with all their money...then we certainly cant....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To all the turkeys who voted for Xmas ie voted yes if you don't like the result why stay in Scotland im sure Scotland would be no worse off without you "

Let it go, stop baiting folk, looking for a reaction, move on please no voters.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To all the turkeys who voted for Xmas ie voted yes if you don't like the result why stay in Scotland im sure Scotland would be no worse off without you

Let it go, stop baiting folk, looking for a reaction, move on please no voters."
and yes voters

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and dont forget about the 640,000 who registered by did NOT vote. So thats 2.7million vote who did NOT vote YES.

your point is moot.

Given that you could also add the non voters to the 1.6 million yes voters to give 2.2 million that didnt vote no.

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Accept the result ?

Well why is Brown seeking a petition ?

Why did 45% see the lies ?

Happily shafted ? "

Yawn.....Ywan and even Yawn.

So the YES campaign now no one voting yes until the VOW was published. Oh thats interesting then. lol

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over a year ago

1/4 voted No based on the "vow"

They would have voted Yes taking it to a 59% Yes had they not believed the lies.

Only folk that are deluded are those who actually believed the BS.

To the other 45 lot i salute you !

Can you pleae supply a link the the stats that show a 1/4 voted NO based on the vow? Was it writtin on their ballot papers .."OH am voting NO due to the VOW?" Thanks in advance...."

Google Lord Ashcroft.

1/4 voted No based on the "vow"

They would have voted Yes taking it to a 59% Yes had they not believed the lies.

Only folk that are deluded are those who actually believed the BS.

To the other 45 lot i salute you !

Can you pleae supply a link the the stats that show a 1/4 voted NO based on the vow? Was it writtin on their ballot papers .."OH am voting NO due to the VOW?" Thanks in advance...."

Google Lord Ashcroft.

Statement: How We Won And How We Will Win | National Collective

nationalcollective.com/.../statement-how-...

20 Sep 2014 - According to Ashcroft 1/4 of Scots voted NO because of the ...... The fact that the people you speak off spread the lies and misrepresentation of stats and believed “The Vow”, would ...

Your welcome

Btw at the risk of posting links a simple x check would suffice the info but you know that anyway

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By *unglasgow69Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

This is Lord Ashcrofts opinion based on no FACTS whatsoever. I could easily so that it made no difference what the Better together campaign offered. My opinion would be no more credible than Lord Ashcroft. It's all well & good plucking a bit of info to support your argument. Only helps though if it's based on FACT not opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Accept the result ?

Well why is Brown seeking a petition ?

Why did 45% see the lies ?

Happily shafted ?

Yawn.....Ywan and even Yawn.

So the YES campaign now no one voting yes until the VOW was published. Oh thats interesting then. lol"

Yawn all you want feel free to add a worthwhile contribution anytime though.

Debate is healthy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is Lord Ashcrofts opinion based on no FACTS whatsoever. I could easily so that it made no difference what the Better together campaign offered. My opinion would be no more credible than Lord Ashcroft. It's all well & good plucking a bit of info to support your argument. Only helps though if it's based on FACT not opinion. "

Then the telegraph must be lying... Again as various others agree.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

There seems to be a feeling amongst the 45 that continuing to moan and greet about the outcome of the referendum is somehow going to change the result.

It isn't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not on the scottish forum it aint lol

Waiting for this to be closed too like the rest of them were???

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over a year ago

"There seems to be a feeling amongst the 45 that continuing to moan and greet about the outcome of the referendum is somehow going to change the result.

It isn't."
of course it isnt

but just accepting being treated like shit isnt gonna happen either

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over a year ago

"There seems to be a feeling amongst the 45 that continuing to moan and greet about the outcome of the referendum is somehow going to change the result.

It isn't."

The ballot box is where the damage will be done, more than 1 way through a wall.

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"There seems to be a feeling amongst the 45 that continuing to moan and greet about the outcome of the referendum is somehow going to change the result.

It isn't.

The ballot box is where the damage will be done, more than 1 way through a wall. "

There will be no damage done, the Tory Gov will be voted back, Why? Simply because folk will vote SNP rather than Labour in 2015. Really good to see the SNP Support the retention of a Tory Gov in Westminster, oh yes and good old Tommy S as well supporting the Tory party in Westminster. Well done folks.

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By *unglasgow69Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Steve you are coming across as a fundementalist now. You lost the vote u need to accept it. It's called democracy. You might not like the result but that's why we had the referendum. We had our say at the ballot box as you say. It's not going to happen this was your chance it's been & gone. Stop torturing yourself & move on.

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"There seems to be a feeling amongst the 45 that continuing to moan and greet about the outcome of the referendum is somehow going to change the result.

It isn't.of course it isnt

but just accepting being treated like shit isnt gonna happen either"

Who is treaing who like shit? What I see is some really bitter 45ers attacking everything and everyone. This thread is very timid compared to some of the other places.

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

1/4 voted No based on the "vow"

They would have voted Yes taking it to a 59% Yes had they not believed the lies.

Only folk that are deluded are those who actually believed the BS.

To the other 45 lot i salute you !

Can you pleae supply a link the the stats that show a 1/4 voted NO based on the vow? Was it writtin on their ballot papers .."OH am voting NO due to the VOW?" Thanks in advance....

Google Lord Ashcroft.

1/4 voted No based on the "vow"

They would have voted Yes taking it to a 59% Yes had they not believed the lies.

Only folk that are deluded are those who actually believed the BS.

To the other 45 lot i salute you !

Can you pleae supply a link the the stats that show a 1/4 voted NO based on the vow? Was it writtin on their ballot papers .."OH am voting NO due to the VOW?" Thanks in advance....

Google Lord Ashcroft.

Statement: How We Won And How We Will Win | National Collective

nationalcollective.com/.../statement-how-...

Your welcome

Btw at the risk of posting links a simple x check would suffice the info but you know that anyway

Ok so can you please show me the FACTS please. Thanks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Steve you are coming across as a fundementalist now. You lost the vote u need to accept it. It's called democracy. You might not like the result but that's why we had the referendum. We had our say at the ballot box as you say. It's not going to happen this was your chance it's been & gone. Stop torturing yourself & move on."

If you read back i emphasised yes and no should unite and ensure what was promised is delivered.

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over a year ago

"There seems to be a feeling amongst the 45 that continuing to moan and greet about the outcome of the referendum is somehow going to change the result.

It isn't.

The ballot box is where the damage will be done, more than 1 way through a wall.

The tories will need snp support to gain a majority with all the new seats we will Aquire in westminster come election time. Should be rather interesting.

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By *unglasgow69Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

I agree that the extra powers have to be delivered. But this referendum has been one of the most divisive elections of all time. I know of family & friends who are still not talking over this such was the passions that run so high. For me another referendum anytime soon would do more harm than good. We are a divided country the country needs time to heal .

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over a year ago

"I agree that the extra powers have to be delivered. But this referendum has been one of the most divisive elections of all time. I know of family & friends who are still not talking over this such was the passions that run so high. For me another referendum anytime soon would do more harm than good. We are a divided country the country needs time to heal ."

Which is why we should all unite from both sides and find a compromise.

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By *unglasgow69Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

The compromise is Devo max which the Scottish Parliament will get as a result of the referendum

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By *unglasgow69Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

The compromise is Devo max which the Scottish Parliament will get as a result of the referendum

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

It won't heal while the 45 are picking at the scab.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

1/4 voted No based on the "vow"

They would have voted Yes taking it to a 59% Yes had they not believed the lies.

Only folk that are deluded are those who actually believed the BS.

To the other 45 lot i salute you !

Can you pleae supply a link the the stats that show a 1/4 voted NO based on the vow? Was it writtin on their ballot papers .."OH am voting NO due to the VOW?" Thanks in advance....

Google Lord Ashcroft.

1/4 voted No based on the "vow"

They would have voted Yes taking it to a 59% Yes had they not believed the lies.

Only folk that are deluded are those who actually believed the BS.

To the other 45 lot i salute you !

Can you pleae supply a link the the stats that show a 1/4 voted NO based on the vow? Was it writtin on their ballot papers .."OH am voting NO due to the VOW?" Thanks in advance....

Google Lord Ashcroft.

Statement: How We Won And How We Will Win | National Collective

nationalcollective.com/.../statement-how-...

Your welcome

Btw at the risk of posting links a simple x check would suffice the info but you know that anyway

Ok so can you please show me the FACTS please. Thanks."

m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29443603

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It won't heal while the 45 are picking at the scab."

Or the 55 accepting being royally shafted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It won't heal while the 45 are picking at the scab."

nor while the 55 keep bleating about winning, both sides need to let go.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Regards the 1/4 voting NO due to the vow.

The 25% is a sample of 1118 citizens polled after the referendum, being asked to comment on a choice of three NO points, regardless of whether you had other reasons more important to you.

The same polling paper noted that no voters were much more likely that yes to say they had always known how they would cast their ballot, so a late introduction of the 'vow' would be unlikely to alter decision. Indeed, those who made up their minds late are more likely to have chosen independence, according to the referenced poll.

Overall, a relatively small sample provides a range of uncertainty around the estimate, making it very difficult to say whether this 1/4 figure is representative of the actual population.

It makes a decent headline but a poorly researched empirical result.

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By *addie bunnetMan
over a year ago

glasgow

just dont vote labour

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It makes a decent headline but a poorly researched empirical result. "

Perhaps, with the bbc calling is a substantial amount.

As you say poorly researched, or underrated.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

Its not about winning or losing its about what was best for scotland and that ended up to stay in the union let it go dont gripe because the vision collapsed the vision of a free scotland is still there just a fair amount of folk want actual figures facts policys taxation rate immenities wage structure ni contribution is there any nhs will there be one road laws criminal punishment laws president govt defense budget so many things that the answer to this time was ....... frrrrreeeeeeedom sorry but for alot of folk that isnt enough and if its all thats on offer I will always chose the uk

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over a year ago

"Its not about winning or losing its about what was best for scotland and that ended up to stay in the union let it go dont gripe because the vision collapsed the vision of a free scotland is still there just a fair amount of folk want actual figures facts policys taxation rate immenities wage structure ni contribution is there any nhs will there be one road laws criminal punishment laws president govt defense budget so many things that the answer to this time was ....... frrrrreeeeeeedom sorry but for alot of folk that isnt enough and if its all thats on offer I will always chose the uk "

The referendum is already history but this will go on for a long time till what was promised is delivered.

Deliver those and wounds will start to heal.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

It won't heal while the 45 are picking at the scab.

nor while the 55 keep bleating about winning, both sides need to let go."

As I recall, ALL the Referendum related threads here since the vote have been of the 'we wuz robbed' variety.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

What was promised ?? Nothing was promised apart from more devo powers they could say you now have the devo powers over sewarage lol nothing was promised which is why I dont get why yes voters think the result was about the vow

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By *addie bunnetMan
over a year ago

glasgow

the referendum will be right back on the table if the UK votes to come out of the EU

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

The referendum is already history but this will go on for a long time till what was promised is delivered.

Deliver those and wounds will start to heal. "

In fairness, it's only been a fortnight, in the heart of the conference season with Parliament mostly in recess while the SNP are planning a coronation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know the BBC article refers to it as a substantial amount of the 55% who voted NO.

However, it's 25% of 1118 people polled by Lord Ashcroft, not 25% of 2 million NO voters.

Unfortunately his poll was like asking (and I know this is a big fab concern), which of these is your three favourite cakes, regardless of whether you like any other cakes. If 25% of those asked said sponge cakes would we believe that exactly 25% of the entire population liked sponge cakes?

The sampled figures are so low in some cases that they really should be ignored. Clearly it's a populist figure to latch onto, but robust? Certainly not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the referendum will be right back on the table if the UK votes to come out of the EU "

how many ways to skin a cat ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its all academic now.

The new choice will be the Tories, with Cameron as leader (who will be ousted by Boris Johnson after the election), or Nigel Farage.

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over a year ago

"In fairness, it's only been a fortnight, in the heart of the conference season with Parliament mostly in recess while the SNP are planning a coronation."

What now for Labour Onny ?

20 yrs of solid backing slowly watching them over the years turn more posh and losing true working values.

Where can you see the party this time next year in Scorland ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It won't heal while the 45 are picking at the scab.

nor while the 55 keep bleating about winning, both sides need to let go.

As I recall, ALL the Referendum related threads here since the vote have been of the 'we wuz robbed' variety."

they have also been populated by people making statements about how terrible the yes voters are for name calling whilst ignoring the name calling by no voters, not forgetting to mention the gloating that has been going on.

Time to recognise that its not one sided, time for the people (on both sides) to look at their own posts and judge their own behaviour instead of doing so with anyone/everyone they disagree with.

the only way this perceived divide will go away is if everyone moves on.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"In fairness, it's only been a fortnight, in the heart of the conference season with Parliament mostly in recess while the SNP are planning a coronation.

What now for Labour Onny ?

20 yrs of solid backing slowly watching them over the years turn more posh and losing true working values.

Where can you see the party this time next year in Scorland ? "

Onwards and upwards.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is so frustrating. We had our chance to get all the powers, and we turned it down. I seriously hope these people who voted no will bring SNP to power next May and let us declare our own Indepedence.

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By *unglasgow69Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Even if Nats win the next election to simply think we could then declare ourselves as independent country is the stuff of fantasist. I think the 2.1m who voted no & the 28 out of 32 regions who overwhelming voted NO might have something to say about it. We had a democracy you lost you just can't simply move the goalposts because you lost & the vote didn't go your way. That notion is as ridiculous as saying if you had the yes side won the vote & Labour got in at next election that they would simply declare we are part of the Uk again. There would be uproar & quite rightly too. Think it's time for some realism I think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The guys a traitor in my eyes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

over 40,000 people have joined the snp since the referendum,im joining ,,keep the movement for independence going forward.

we will get it eventually.

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over a year ago

"over 40,000 people have joined the snp since the referendum,im joining ,,keep the movement for independence going forward.

we will get it eventually."

75,000 and still growing in total.

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over a year ago

"over 40,000 people have joined the snp since the referendum,im joining ,,keep the movement for independence going forward.

we will get it eventually.

75,000 and still growing in total.

Is it ,,,,fantastic!

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By *unglasgow69Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Big wow wee 75,000 & your point is???? 2.1million said NO why can't you understand & accept the result. You have had your chance it's been & gone & no matter how many sign up for the Nats 2.1m said No. Why can you not accept the decision of a Democratic vote??? At risk of repeating myself 28 out of 32 regions said No. Where does that suggest to you their is a desire to force your notion for Independece onto the 28 regions who said No??????

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over a year ago

"Big wow wee 75,000 & your point is???? 2.1million said NO why can't you understand & accept the result. You have had your chance it's been & gone & no matter how many sign up for the Nats 2.1m said No. Why can you not accept the decision of a Democratic vote??? At risk of repeating myself 28 out of 32 regions said No. Where does that suggest to you their is a desire to force your notion for Independece onto the 28 regions who said No??????"

The referendum as i previously said is history however the aftermath is just beginning.

Take a look at this and maybe take a step away from your personal feelings and look at the bigger political picture in scotland now.

http://www.newsnetscotland.scot/index.php/scottish-politics/9803-snp-membership-surpasses-75000-as-party-trebles-numbers-in-less-than-two-weeks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

because there is a desire. and WE will get it.

its only a matter of time

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By *unglasgow69Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Eh excuse me we just had a referendum & it was a No vote with 2.1m saying no!!!!' So clearly there was not & is not a desire if there had been then we wouldn't have to be listening to the Yes side still bleating on because they lost 2 weeks later. So kinda blows that myth or your opinion out the water. Let's stick to facts not fantasy

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over a year ago

"Eh excuse me we just had a referendum & it was a No vote with 2.1m saying no!!!!' So clearly there was not & is not a desire if there had been then we wouldn't have to be listening to the Yes side still bleating on because they lost 2 weeks later. So kinda blows that myth or your opinion out the water. Let's stick to facts not fantasy "

The "facts" are 1.6 million wanted to cut ties, 2 million wanted to remain, the rest couldn't be arsed to vote on their countries future (scarily).

Another fact is that 73% of the over 65s got the no camp over the line.

The generation they sold out want change and will vote accordingly in the future.

45% of the electorate can't be ignored and Westminster know this.

They're also shit scared that SNP will return more than half of Scotlands MPs in the next general election because that legally opens the door to independence without referendum (not that I think they'd ever do that).

If nothing else, this whole process has opened the political eyes of the nation like nothing I've ever seen in my lifetime, and that can only be a positive thing.

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By *unglasgow69Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

It was 2.1m not 2m fact. Over 65's are entitled to their opinion but to say that was only reason we got the no vote is just a nonsense. There will be no referendum anytime soon. The powers for Devo max will come in. People will in time see that Scotland is responsible for it's own taxation & for controlling the budgets for Nhs, welfare etc. They will see they are having the best of both worlds. Come any possible referendum which may happen 20 or 30 years down the line & by that point the Nats momentum will be lost. People will see how Devo Max is benefitting the country. This was your time you lost you will never get another chance at it. No matter how many sign up to the Nats. Let's see how many come out & vote at the next general election.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

"It was 2.1m not 2m fact. Over 65's are entitled to their opinion but to say that was only reason we got the no vote is just a nonsense. There will be no referendum anytime soon. The powers for Devo max will come in. People will in time see that Scotland is responsible for it's own taxation & for controlling the budgets for Nhs, welfare etc. They will see they are having the best of both worlds. Come any possible referendum which may happen 20 or 30 years down the line & by that point the Nats momentum will be lost. People will see how Devo Max is benefitting the country. This was your time you lost you will never get another chance at it. No matter how many sign up to the Nats. Let's see how many come out & vote at the next general election."
to think it wont come up again is short sighted many no voters voted no because there wasnt a proper proposal for independance the margin aas really tight no matter how you want to dress it and for folk who voted like me a proper proposal will change my vote to yes its whats best for the country that intrests me

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By *unglasgow69Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

It's not going to happen anytime soon. Not within next 20 years do not see it. The Nats bleated for years for a referendum & they lost. So now what we keep holding referndum after referndum until they get the result they want?? Sorry it doesn't work like that. This was the chance it's been it's gone. Now time to see what Devo max brings & maybe just maybe we might have the best of both worlds.

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By *unglasgow69Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

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over a year ago

If you really think that this momentum will just evaporate then you're either very naïve or just plain stupid.

Devo max isn't ever going to happen. It was thrown into the mix at the last minute by a campaign who saw a country slipping from its grasp. Cameron refused to allow it onto the ballot paper he was so confident he'd win. A desperate, last minute roll of the dice that got him out of jail. One day after the vote Westminster were backtracking.

Your point about over 65s having an opinion is what exactly?

Nobody said they didn't have one.

That they pushed the no camp over the line, far from being nonsense, is indisputable. The figures prove it. That you think otherwise is neither here nor there.

It's not just the SNP who have seen membership swell, it's all the pro indy parties.

How have the numbers for labour and the tories done during the same period?

Change is coming whether you like it or not. The next generation of voters won't let the momentum stop.

The status quo is no longer an option.

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By *unglasgow69Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Not naive nor stupid but just because there was a groundswell does not mean it's going to happen, at risk of raining on ur parade 2.1m said no 28 out of 32 regions said no. Where is the ground swell there??? Also a lot of the yes voters were not all Nats many came from the other parties. Who come election time will revert back to type & vote for the party they always have done. As for Devo max before you completely dismiss it let's see what eventually happens. Unless I'm missing something & you are Mystic Meg & can see into the future already. All I am sensing from the yes voters like you is a sense of desperation that you lost & are still finding it hard to deal with. There will not be referendum after referendum just to keep going until you get the result you want. It's not going to happen.

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over a year ago

"It's not going to happen anytime soon. Not within next 20 years do not see it."

talking of mystic meg

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over a year ago

If you really think that this momentum will just evaporate then you're either very naïve or just plain stupid.

Your point about over 65s having an opinion is what exactly?

Nobody said they didn't have one.

That they pushed the no camp over the line, far from being nonsense, is indisputable. The figures prove it. That you think otherwise is neither here nor there.

It's not just the SNP who have seen membership swell, it's all the pro indy parties.

How have the numbers for labour and the tories done during the same period?

Change is coming whether you like it or not. The next generation of voters won't let the momentum stop.

The status quo is no longer an option."

Well put

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's time you took your head out of the sand mate and do a bit of real research instead of spouting pointless figures you've probably got from the BBC.

If you think this is just going to go away there are 1.6 million of the population who are saying otherwise.

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By *unglasgow69Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Head is not in the sand. You can spout ur 1.6m till you are blue in the face. Only figure that really counted was the 2.1m who said no whose votes & democracy that you do not want to accept. Think it's time u accepted the vote & moved on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

THERE WILL BE ANOTHER REFERENDUM sooner than most think.

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By *unglasgow69Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Why because you say so???? Well I happen to think otherwise. Your opinion is it will happen. Mine is it's not going to happen anytime soon. You all keep going on about your 1.6m whilst conveniently forgetting the 2.1m who said No. Just because you shout & scream & moan & bitch the loudest & have problem in accepting a democratic vote in which u lost. Does not give you the right to try & force your opinion & your desire on the 2.1m who said No.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Anything less than another 307 years will be too soon.

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By *unglasgow69Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Lol well said Onny ??????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

1.6 and 2.1, I would be willing to bet any amount those numbers would be a lot closer now after the lies from Westminister. I don't understand why people still want to remain in this Union. We are clearly not better together, and if you're reasons for wanting to stay with the union is become you want the Queen, then you are undoubtedly stupid.

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east

25 billion in austerity cuts

child benefit cuts

pension cuts...etc etc etc

not to mention the blatant lies over oil...saying it will run out by 2050...days after it announces the clair field has another 100yrs at least of oil production ( an announcement that was held back from the scottish people until after the vote)....something tells me alot of no voters will eventually realise their error in judgement ....we are now begging for more powers when we had the chance to take ALL the powers for ourselves...it really does beggar belief

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By *unglasgow69Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Mr stardust who mentioned the Queen???? That's obviously an issue for you!!! As you are obviously not a royalist but really don't see ur point in even mentioning the Queen. Some of us, actually no a lot of us feel proud to be Scottish & British & proud of the Union. You obviously do not put please don't stoop to petty name calling it just diminishes your argument. As for opinion that we have been lied to & the vote would now be closer . Well it's just your opinion based on no FACTS. It's only been 2 weeks the extra powers will come but you have to allow it to be done properly they were not just going to do this within a few days. All parties have still to get round the table & discuss the powers & Devo Max so let's wait to see what happens instead of making assumptions based on no fact.

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By *ootlover456Man
over a year ago

Paisley

cant say im surprised. what do expect when you chose to stay in a corrupt system but more corruption.

right now they've refused every promise they've made because their pushing you. and punishing us

they want to see how far they can go before someone stands up to them.

evidence vote was rigged. - majority Scotland = meh.

they refuse the powers they promised -

majority Scotland = meh

they send us to war we don't want .. again. majority Scotland = meh.

they decide to do fracking here

majority Scotland -- you guessed it. meh...

bbc is biased to the point it even tries to blame George square on the pro independence people regardless of all evidence annnd majority of scotland go... - meh

people refused to stand up to them regardless of how corrupt they were and now they are doing exactly what I said they would pushing the boundaries getting ready for removal of scotlands powers and centralised Westminster rule.. they want to see far people can be pushed before they stand up for themselves. why do I think this.? because its exactly what I would do in the same situation.

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over a year ago

"Mr stardust who mentioned the Queen???? That's obviously an issue for you!!! As you are obviously not a royalist but really don't see ur point in even mentioning the Queen. Some of us, actually no a lot of us feel proud to be Scottish & British & proud of the Union. You obviously do not put please don't stoop to petty name calling it just diminishes your argument. As for opinion that we have been lied to & the vote would now be closer . Well it's just your opinion based on no FACTS. It's only been 2 weeks the extra powers will come but you have to allow it to be done properly they were not just going to do this within a few days. All parties have still to get round the table & discuss the powers & Devo Max so let's wait to see what happens instead of making assumptions based on no fact."

Stoop to petty name calling? Who's name did I mention? I know a FACT, Westminister are shafting your country. There's a FACT.

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By *unglasgow69Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Mr Stardust that's ur opinion not FACT & 2.1m agreed with me. More powers coming our way including the lowering or raising of taxes. Better together.

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over a year ago

"Mr Stardust that's ur opinion not FACT & 2.1m agreed with me. More powers coming our way including the lowering or raising of taxes. Better together."

Ok buddy. You hold onto that. Come back and tell me when these powers come to light.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

"1.6 and 2.1, I would be willing to bet any amount those numbers would be a lot closer now after the lies from Westminister. I don't understand why people still want to remain in this Union. We are clearly not better together, and if you're reasons for wanting to stay with the union is become you want the Queen, then you are undoubtedly stupid."
this speaks volumes what has the queen to do with this ?? And clearly not better together ?? Thats your perception not everyones

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over a year ago

Glasgow

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By *unglasgow69Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Mr Stardust the powers will come wait & see

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By *unglasgow69Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Mr Stardust the powers will come wait & see

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Head is not in the sand. You can spout ur 1.6m till you are blue in the face. Only figure that really counted was the 2.1m who said no whose votes & democracy that you do not want to accept. Think it's time u accepted the vote & moved on."

So you really think the voices of nearly half of those who voted will go silent?

What utter nonsense.

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By *ootlover456Man
over a year ago

Paisley

actually fun Glasgow as of this morning they have already started implementing plans to cut the winter fuel allowance and free bus passes for the elderly. so how exactly is that better.. your getting no powers. your having them taken them away. all three major paries have recently stated that no matter which one the next election the budget for Scotland will be getting cut by some degree

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over a year ago

"1.6 and 2.1, I would be willing to bet any amount those numbers would be a lot closer now after the lies from Westminister. I don't understand why people still want to remain in this Union. We are clearly not better together, and if you're reasons for wanting to stay with the union is become you want the Queen, then you are undoubtedly stupid.this speaks volumes what has the queen to do with this ?? And clearly not better together ?? Thats your perception not everyones "

I was merely stating that ALOT of that 55% wanted to stay with the Union for the queen and the Union itself. Nothing to do with stuff that really matters like what we earn, pensions, benefits etc etc

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

My perception............ the snp will realise their mistake in not putting together a working model that answers the populations fears they will use the next yrs building a system that proves its worthyness and another referendum will take place as long as folk can see the possibilitys in the model a yes campaign would easily sway around 20% of previous no voters but this can never take place as long as we are a divided nation for now all must accept we are in the uk and aint gonna change till the climates right

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

"1.6 and 2.1, I would be willing to bet any amount those numbers would be a lot closer now after the lies from Westminister. I don't understand why people still want to remain in this Union. We are clearly not better together, and if you're reasons for wanting to stay with the union is become you want the Queen, then you are undoubtedly stupid.this speaks volumes what has the queen to do with this ?? And clearly not better together ?? Thats your perception not everyones

I was merely stating that ALOT of that 55% wanted to stay with the Union for the queen and the Union itself. Nothing to do with stuff that really matters like what we earn, pensions, benefits etc etc"
and you have spoken to ALOT of the 55% or get that from some other stat I would say the vast majority yes or no voters did so for what they percieved as the best for scotland and nothing else to much muddying of the water adding other nonsense reasons on top of it

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By *ootlover456Man
over a year ago

Paisley

"My perception............ the snp will realise their mistake in not putting together a working model that answers the populations fears they will use the next yrs building a system that proves its worthyness and another referendum will take place as long as folk can see the possibilitys in the model a yes campaign would easily sway around 20% of previous no voters but this can never take place as long as we are a divided nation for now all must accept we are in the uk and aint gonna change till the climates right"

I disagree. I belive the snp were unfairly treated keep in mind they had to come up with actual answers and models that could withstand scrutiny where as all better together ha to do was repeated those two words and say things stay as they are... and pick holes in every idea given with their fear spreading. they would do that again.. I also believe tht at this time. accepting that they won while investigations into cheating are being undertaken is foolish and makes us appear weak and subservient. they are already breaking promises, sending us to war, fracking on our lands, cutting our budget, talking about privatising our nhs seeing how far they can push us before we push back. at this point sitting quiet and accepting your part of the uk is the worst thing that can be done

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

There is never a fair democratic vote apparently its always rigged sorry dont buy it and yup im sure same cry would have happened on reversal as for a working model pmsl didnt even have a currency

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I voted no.... Did I believe the "vow" no..... Did I believe the yes camp promises ..... No

Do I feel guilty .... No

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over a year ago

"There is never a fair democratic vote apparently its always rigged sorry dont buy it and yup im sure same cry would have happened on reversal as for a working model pmsl didnt even have a currency"

Of course they had a currency. The threat by Westminster of removing the pound was a bluff. There's no way they'd have allowed a separate currency as ours would have traded stronger than the pound.

I also don't think it was a rigged vote. It was, however, heavily influenced by the media reporting for the no campaign. The BBC were so biased as to be laughable.

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over a year ago

"There is never a fair democratic vote apparently its always rigged sorry dont buy it and yup im sure same cry would have happened on reversal as for a working model pmsl didnt even have a currency

Of course they had a currency. The threat by Westminster of removing the pound was a bluff. There's no way they'd have allowed a separate currency as ours would have traded stronger than the pound.

I also don't think it was a rigged vote. It was, however, heavily influenced by the media reporting for the no campaign. The BBC were so biased as to be laughable."

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By *ootlover456Man
over a year ago

Paisley

on a lighter note. last comment is coming up. ooh who will get it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"on a lighter note. last comment is coming up. ooh who will get it "

Part 2 lol ?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Surely not!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Surely not!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Surely not "

Well browns slating cameron for "tricking" the scots well the 55 lot

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow

It won't heal while the 45 are picking at the scab.

nor while the 55 keep bleating about winning, both sides need to let go.

As I recall, ALL the Referendum related threads here since the vote have been of the 'we wuz robbed' variety.

Time to recognise that its not one sided, time for the people (on both sides) to look at their own posts and judge their own behaviour instead of doing so with anyone/everyone they disagree with.

the only way this perceived divide will go away is if everyone moves on.

If that's in reference to my post complaining about some of the language used, I can only refer to the posts I see on this thread. This is the only site I've ever posted about anything to do with the referendum so it's not really my place to go searching other message boards to find out if the other side are just as bad. I'm not quite sure if we're supposed to accept some of the insults seen here because it's supposedly happening elsewhere too. That's the sort of thing kids come up with when pulled up about their behaviour, I wouldn't expect it from adults.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Folk always cry fowl when losing an argument though"

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