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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

No seen the news for a few days.. I like to keep upto date with it. What's happened? Why are they saying we are going to war?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We're bombing ISIS, because everyone else is.

Not sure what it will achieve.

It will act as a recruiting sergeant for terrorists, but they hate us anyway. Haters gotta hate.

It should be Middle Eastern countries stumping up all the planes and troops this time...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mp's voted in favour of the RAF taking part in airstrikes against isis terrorist group.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Sooooo..... Should i move to an island somewhere?

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By *vbride1963TV/TS
over a year ago

E.K . Glasgow

"Sooooo..... Should i move to an island somewhere?

There's a wee traffic island along the road from me i'll bring you cheps and irn bru

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Sooooo..... Should i move to an island somewhere?

There's a wee traffic island along the road from me i'll bring you cheps and irn bru

There's this cheps word again.. Am I missing something

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By *vbride1963TV/TS
over a year ago

E.K . Glasgow

"Sooooo..... Should i move to an island somewhere?

There's a wee traffic island along the road from me i'll bring you cheps and irn bru

There's this cheps word again.. Am I missing something

Am usiing a tablet spellings shite

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Sooooo..... Should i move to an island somewhere?

There's a wee traffic island along the road from me i'll bring you cheps and irn bru

There's this cheps word again.. Am I missing something

Am usiing a tablet spellings shite

Awwwwww lol I thought I had missed something cause andykay said the same thing haha!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cheps with salt and sauce please

Just carry on as normal, if war breaks out, just take a friend to bed and hide for a day or two - its the most fun way of surviving

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By *vbride1963TV/TS
over a year ago

E.K . Glasgow

"Sooooo..... Should i move to an island somewhere?

There's a wee traffic island along the road from me i'll bring you cheps and irn bru

There's this cheps word again.. Am I missing something

Am usiing a tablet spellings shite

Awwwwww lol I thought I had missed something cause andykay said the same thing haha!

He usually says cake

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Cheps with salt and sauce please

Just carry on as normal, if war breaks out, just take a friend to bed and hide for a day or two - its the most fun way of surviving

I better stock up on food an what not if I'm gonna be hiding in bed

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By *cottybhoyMan
over a year ago

falkirk

Strange how the UK Government votes to go to war a week after a Referendum on Independence for Scotland.

Wonder how these bombs dropped in our name will differentiate between the extremists and innocents within the targeted areas?

Am sure our media sources will portray events honestly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oil be the judge of that.

There's no profit to be made without a bomb or two.

...and then, we'll arm the Free Syrian Army, who aren't an Army really, and they'll turn on us.

Crazy barmpot part of the world.

If we were independent, we wouldn't have to put up with this nonsense; the Saudis (who have a bigger airforce than us) and the Turks would have to send their men instead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cheps with salt and sauce please

Just carry on as normal, if war breaks out, just take a friend to bed and hide for a day or two - its the most fun way of surviving

I better stock up on food an what not if I'm gonna be hiding in bed

Take me with you - Im a good cook

How many of us can hide under your duvet with you?!?

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By *erfume-LoverMan
over a year ago

Lothian area

It's nothing to do with the Scottish Referendum at all

IS need to be destroyed before they destroy you

These people are bad - sit on the fence - then more fool you

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Cheps with salt and sauce please

Just carry on as normal, if war breaks out, just take a friend to bed and hide for a day or two - its the most fun way of surviving

I better stock up on food an what not if I'm gonna be hiding in bed

Take me with you - Im a good cook

How many of us can hide under your duvet with you?!?

Only 2 so there's me and one other lucky so and so! Altho.. I don't have a cooker in my room.. You're comment trying to woo me is irrelevant haha! Get under here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cheps with salt and sauce please

Just carry on as normal, if war breaks out, just take a friend to bed and hide for a day or two - its the most fun way of surviving

I better stock up on food an what not if I'm gonna be hiding in bed

Take me with you - Im a good cook

How many of us can hide under your duvet with you?!?

Only 2 so there's me and one other lucky so and so! Altho.. I don't have a cooker in my room.. You're comment trying to woo me is irrelevant haha! Get under here

Haha

Yum!

It'd be woo'ed not to

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By *cottybhoyMan
over a year ago

falkirk

"It's nothing to do with the Scottish Referendum at all

IS need to be destroyed before they destroy you

These people are bad - sit on the fence - then more fool you

What utter nonsense!!

There are bad people everywhere - we created and armed many of them

We initiated these conflicts in the Middle East based on lies and greed and the world and innocents are suffering as a consequence.

We have done nothing to halt the slaughter of innocents and genocide in African nations.

And anyone who believes this vote was not delayed pending the Referendum is seriously deluded.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Cheps with salt and sauce please

Just carry on as normal, if war breaks out, just take a friend to bed and hide for a day or two - its the most fun way of surviving

I better stock up on food an what not if I'm gonna be hiding in bed

Take me with you - Im a good cook

How many of us can hide under your duvet with you?!?

Only 2 so there's me and one other lucky so and so! Altho.. I don't have a cooker in my room.. You're comment trying to woo me is irrelevant haha! Get under here

Haha

Yum!

It'd be woo'ed not to

Oh dear god, you killed it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cheps with salt and sauce please

Just carry on as normal, if war breaks out, just take a friend to bed and hide for a day or two - its the most fun way of surviving

I better stock up on food an what not if I'm gonna be hiding in bed

Take me with you - Im a good cook

How many of us can hide under your duvet with you?!?

Only 2 so there's me and one other lucky so and so! Altho.. I don't have a cooker in my room.. You're comment trying to woo me is irrelevant haha! Get under here

Haha

Yum!

It'd be woo'ed not to

Oh dear god, you killed it

Oh well, never mind

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"It's nothing to do with the Scottish Referendum at all

IS need to be destroyed before they destroy you

These people are bad - sit on the fence - then more fool you

What utter nonsense!!

There are bad people everywhere - we created and armed many of them

We initiated these conflicts in the Middle East based on lies and greed and the world and innocents are suffering as a consequence.

We have done nothing to halt the slaughter of innocents and genocide in African nations.

And anyone who believes this vote was not delayed pending the Referendum is seriously deluded. "

The timing had more to do with stealing UKIP's thunder.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Transcript of a letter from a reader to a newspaper currently to be found doing the rounds on social media:

"CLEAR AS MUD

Are you confused by what is going on in the middle east ? Let me explain.

We support the Iraqi government in the fight against Islamic State. We don't like IS, but IS is supported by Saudi Arabia, whom we do like.

We don't like president Assad in Syria. We support the fight against him, but not IS, which is also fighting against him.

We don't like Iran, but Iran supports the Iraqi government against IS. So, some of our friends support our enemies, and some of our enemies are our friends, and some of our enemies are fighting against our other enemies, whom we want to lose, but we don't want our enemies who are fighting our enemies to win.

If the people we want to defeat are defeated, they might be replaced by people we like even less. And all this was started by us invading a country to drive out terrorists who weren't actually there until we went in to drive them out. Do you understand now ?"

Kind of sums up the whole sorry mess.

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By *erfume-LoverMan
over a year ago

Lothian area

Wow oh wow

IS and the vote - anyone who can see a link needs to cut back on drugs

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

What's everyone got against IS?? what's wrong with IN or IT

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's nothing to do with the Scottish Referendum at all

IS need to be destroyed before they destroy you

These people are bad - sit on the fence - then more fool you

I totally agree with you,

And I have a nephew in the forces, but if it had been my dad or husband that they are killing I would say bomb the bastards,

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By *cottybhoyMan
over a year ago

falkirk

"It's nothing to do with the Scottish Referendum at all

IS need to be destroyed before they destroy you

These people are bad - sit on the fence - then more fool you

I totally agree with you,

And I have a nephew in the forces, but if it had been my dad or husband that they are killing I would say bomb the bastards,"

Was the fact that the UK Government wanted to again go to war and start dropping bombs, in our name, in a foreign country at a cost of billions of pounds mentioned just over a week ago when the people of Scotland were going to the polls?

Simple question with an easy answer

Why was this not an issue then?

And are we seriously suggesting that we are going to bomb every country in which extremists operate? Or just the ones we fancy?

We had and have no right to be engaging in acts of war against people in countries we are not at war with

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think people forget that the IS have killed British nationals that they had captured. This is probably one of the main drives towards yesterday's vote to use air strikes.

Plus if we had become independent, was there a guarantee that no-one knew about that we would never go to war again?

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

I see the 45%ers are back out and every bit of bad news is linked to the fact that not enough people actually voted for independence and the majority voted to stay in the union.

IS is a serious threat to the whole of the Middle East. Arab countries, for once, are actually playing a part and it is relevant as one of the Saudi top princes is taking part in air strikes as he is a pilot.

The coalition of countries that are attacking IS is over 40 and the uk are just one part. Even the French have found some balls and are already bombing them.

Not to do anything would condemn whole sections of society in Iraq and Syria to a life of virtual slavery and constantly under threat of death. Any group who can behead a man with a knife on camera and post the video online shows that they are capable of anything and need to be stopped. They even posted videos of the mass shootings of Iraqi prisoners.

If we had been independent then all Scotland would have done is have Alex salmond stand up, wring his hands, and say how terrible the situation was.

As part of the Union we can now play an active part in helping ordinary people live better lives by helping to get rid of IS.

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By *vbride1963TV/TS
over a year ago

E.K . Glasgow

"I see the 45%ers are back out and every bit of bad news is linked to the fact that not enough people actually voted for independence and the majority voted to stay in the union.

The coalition of countries that are attacking IS is over 40 and the uk are just one part. Even the French have found some balls and are already bombing them.

If we had been independent then all Scotland would have done is have Alex salmond stand up, wring his hands, and say how terrible the situation was.

As part of the Union we can now play an active part in helping ordinary people live better lives by helping to get rid of IS.

If the Vote had been yed would have made no difference as independance wouldn't have started till 2016 .

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

I know that wee eck had set the date for his independence dream but I was making a general comment that an independent Scotland would not have the capacity to assist in situations like this whereas the uk as a whole can.

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By *eatherWoman
over a year ago

glasgow

yes but never forget we have the subs at Faslane or death on the water as i say goody goody they can be sent anywhere in the world GOD HELP US cause i fink he isthe only one who can

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow

"Was the fact that the UK Government wanted to again go to war and start dropping bombs, in our name, in a foreign country at a cost of billions of pounds mentioned just over a week ago when the people of Scotland were going to the polls?

Simple question with an easy answer

Why was this not an issue then?

It was mentioned a fair bit. News was obviously dominated by the referendum but I still seen plenty of articles about the possibility of military involvement against IS.

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By *cottybhoyMan
over a year ago

falkirk

Are we immune to the slaughter that goes on in other parts of the world on a daily basis? Yet we do not intervene.

We are not the good guys here!!

The Middle East was not a nice place in the past but it was stable and we armed,traded with and trained them. Our Governments entertained their leaders.

Extremists did not start beheading aid workers until after we initiated an illegal war that destroyed countries, murdered thousands of innocent men, women and children and cost of billions of pounds and lost service personnel.

IS is not a country. It is not a threat to the people of Scotland. The Middle East has the people and resources to solve its' own problems.

Let those that want to engage in such a senseless conflict do so. It won't be quick and as we have seen in conflicts in that area won't be won

Trident missiles clearly are of no use. They are no deterrent here!

We have enough problems of our own to deal with

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are we immune to the slaughter that goes on in other parts of the world on a daily basis? Yet we do not intervene.

We are not the good guys here!!

The Middle East was not a nice place in the past but it was stable and we armed,traded with and trained them. Our Governments entertained their leaders.

IS is not a country. It is not a threat to the people of Scotland. The Middle East has the people and resources to solve its' own problems.

Let those that want to engage in such a senseless conflict do so. It won't be quick and as we have seen in conflicts in that area won't be won

Trident missiles clearly are of no use. They are no deterrent here!

We have enough problems of our own to deal with

Speechless!!!!!!!

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By *ifes journeyCouple
over a year ago

scotland

"Strange how the UK Government votes to go to war a week after a Referendum on Independence for Scotland.

Wonder how these bombs dropped in our name will differentiate between the extremists and innocents within the targeted areas?

Am sure our media sources will portray events honestly. "

Fast forward two years if the referendum had gone the other way....

Do you think that any terrorists targeting the west would just threaten England and not bother with Scotland?

They don't target countries that are sending troops or planes, they target western countries that are not Muslim countries. There would be no differentiation between Scotland and England in the eyes of a terrorist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Strange how the UK Government votes to go to war a week after a Referendum on Independence for Scotland.

Wonder how these bombs dropped in our name will differentiate between the extremists and innocents within the targeted areas?

Am sure our media sources will portray events honestly.

Fast forward two years if the referendum had gone the other way....

Do you think that any terrorists targeting the west would just threaten England and not bother with Scotland?

Here here,

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By *bi_scotlandTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Are we immune to the slaughter that goes on in other parts of the world on a daily basis? Yet we do not intervene.

We are not the good guys here!!

The Middle East was not a nice place in the past but it was stable and we armed,traded with and trained them. Our Governments entertained their leaders.

IS is not a country. It is not a threat to the people of Scotland. The Middle East has the people and resources to solve its' own problems.

Let those that want to engage in such a senseless conflict do so. It won't be quick and as we have seen in conflicts in that area won't be won

Trident missiles clearly are of no use. They are no deterrent here!

We have enough problems of our own to deal with

Wow. Let the slaughter continue, I'm alright Jack. Incredible

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Tony blair and george bush have so much blood on their hands it is a wonder they can sleep ay nights far less accumulate millions of pounds in personal wealth.

9/11 happened before we started a bloodbath in the middle east. Terrorism is a modern scourge and we need to play our part.

I want to see arab countries sort out their own backyard but help from the west might just help.

I don't want to see another british life lost in that quagmire of politics and religion and any money spent there would help this country but we cannot always turn a blind eye to a regional problem.

Terrorism would not stop at the scottish border so we need to be prepared for british jihadists coming back from syria and launching attacks like the glasgow airport bombing.

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Tony blair and george bush have so much blood on their hands it is a wonder they can sleep ay nights far less accumulate millions of pounds in personal wealth.

9/11 happened before we started a bloodbath in the middle east. Terrorism is a modern scourge and we need to play our part.

I want to see arab countries sort out their own backyard but help from the west might just help.

I don't want to see another british life lost in that quagmire of politics and religion and any money spent there would help this country but we cannot always turn a blind eye to a regional problem.

Terrorism would not stop at the scottish border so we need to be prepared for british jihadists coming back from syria and launching attacks like the glasgow airport bombing.

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By *cottybhoyMan
over a year ago

falkirk

Totally deluded!!

Who trained and armed the Taliban?

Who trained and supplied arms to Saddam

Israel is threatened by extremists and responds by blowing the fuck out of Palestinian women and children - but that's ok, cos we like them apparently. Is that not terrorism?

We witnessed the slaughter in Serbia and other Eastern countries and did nothing - why?

Priests, nuns and aid workers are murdered continually murdered in Central America - nothing said or done

Russians invade a foreign country and we do nothing - cos they are too big!

Entire African villages are decimated - we do nothing.

But let's bomb the fuck out of a few Muslims and the world will be a better place

Crazy

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I know that wee eck had set the date for his independence dream but I was making a general comment that an independent Scotland would not have the capacity to assist in situations like this whereas the uk as a whole can."

Which prompts the question. Since the Scottish Defence Force's capacity would be so limited, what incentive would NATO have to permit Scottish membership?

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By *owboy BebopMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

For once I agree with George Galloway, he posed the question that Saudi Arabia has a bigger Air Force than Britain ( claimed 700 jets).....why not get the Saudi' to do their own bombing ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ask your self where IS got new body armor us and uk types . Mastiffs , tanks and hummers .. It's all brand new kit u see them with. There super organised like a well oiled military machine. Very odd atrabutes for aparent Unorganised rebles . The air strikes and IS are to keep the MIC running and the fear level of everyone higher . I'm ex forces and I find the hole thing very suspect

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By *owboy BebopMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

All that IS lit is the stuff that Britain & US gave to Iraqi army..... Army fled bases rather than attempt to engage .....so we're now bombing a militia that is using our own kit !!!! Did we learn nothing after aing the mujahideen ???

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By *cottybhoyMan
over a year ago

falkirk

"Which prompts the question. Since the Scottish Defence Force's capacity would be so limited, what incentive would NATO have to permit Scottish membership?"

As far as I am aware neither NATO nor the United Nations have declared war on IS - tho, as I've already said, they are not a country.

We appear to have lots of weapons of mass destruction but nobody to use them against.

But our very existence is seemingly threatened because of a situation that we created by illegally invading and seeking to govern and impose our values on a region and people of whom we have little knowledge and understanding of.

Our response to this tragic situation will only perpetuate this conflict.

We need to speak to these folk if we want to be of any use.

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"For once I agree with George Galloway, he posed the question that Saudi Arabia has a bigger Air Force than Britain ( claimed 700 jets).....why not get the Saudi' to do their own bombing ?? "

Several Arab nations have bombed IS. The Saudis made great play of photographing one of their top princes returning from a bombing mission as well as a squadron photo. UAE showed a female Major in their airforce returning from bombing IS.

The whole region is a mess of infighting and religious intolerance not helped by the West toppling Saddam. I would have thought they might have learned a lesson by that but obviously not as they are trying to arm the Syrian rebels and just made a problem a whole lot worse.

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By *ary_ArgyllMan
over a year ago

Argyll

Saudi is one of the most intolerant regimes as far as I can tell - but they are our friends - wonder why - anything to do with oil???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lets hope the RAF hit there targets and rid the world of scumbags that can behead a man alive,

& for Galloway to support terrorists like these is an act of treason ,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Galloway is a double agent. Think about it.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Galloway was a good constituency MP who always spoke his mind, no matter how unpopular it could make him in certain quarters.

How often have we condemned lobby fodder MPs for toeing the party line and voting with the whip?

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"It's nothing to do with the Scottish Referendum at all

IS need to be destroyed before they destroy you

These people are bad - sit on the fence - then more fool you

What utter nonsense!!

There are bad people everywhere - we created and armed many of them

We initiated these conflicts in the Middle East based on lies and greed and the world and innocents are suffering as a consequence.

We have done nothing to halt the slaughter of innocents and genocide in African nations.

And anyone who believes this vote was not delayed pending the Referendum is seriously deluded. "

Dont talk utter garbage. The vote was not delayed until after the referendum. It was still being talked about at the UN and other Govs are also been talking about it.

If we are deluded then you must be paranoid along with some of the other 44.7%.

With regards Africa the British are helping the French for starters. British troops are also helping out in Somalia as from last year.

There are a number of African countries who are carrying out peace keeping missions within Africa.

With regards innocents being killed in Syria and Iraq I would suggest that you do some searching and you can easily ignore the UK and US press/tv and read reports from other sources and see who is killing innocents.

If Scotland becomes independant then the SNP in the WhitePaper clearer stated that Scotland would join Nato and the UN. They would expand the Navy to allow at least two ships to support NATO operations and also troops and aircraft.

Anyway, we can have a nice debate about all of this if you want.

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"yes but never forget we have the subs at Faslane or death on the water as i say goody goody they can be sent anywhere in the world GOD HELP US cause i fink he isthe only one who can

Actually they could so a surface launch from Faslane and they could easily hit Syria. No need to send them anywhere....

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Saudi is one of the most intolerant regimes as far as I can tell - but they are our friends - wonder why - anything to do with oil???"

No not really.I wonder how many jobs in the UK are kept going due to the amount of money Saudi spends with the UK.

Billions, do not all about oil for the UK.

Anyway I say bomb the crap out of IS, simple as that. Taking out the Command and Control as well as hitting their convoys on the ground will certainly help the Kurish and Iraq fighters on the ground.

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By *ifes journeyCouple
over a year ago

scotland

"Saudi is one of the most intolerant regimes as far as I can tell - but they are our friends - wonder why - anything to do with oil???"

Of course its about the Oil....

Same as wanting to get rid of Faslane was about the oil (or at least the hope of oil in that area) too.

Its always about the oil, whoever has oil is king.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Saudi is one of the most intolerant regimes as far as I can tell - but they are our friends - wonder why - anything to do with oil???

Of course its about the Oil....

Same as wanting to get rid of Faslane was about the oil (or at least the hope of oil in that area) too.

Its always about the oil, whoever has oil is king."

Yet still a nation could seek to tie its future prosperity to a commodity which the world is doing its damndest to reduce consumption of.

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Saudi is one of the most intolerant regimes as far as I can tell - but they are our friends - wonder why - anything to do with oil???

Of course its about the Oil....

Same as wanting to get rid of Faslane was about the oil (or at least the hope of oil in that area) too.

Its always about the oil, whoever has oil is king.

Yet still a nation could seek to tie its future prosperity to a commodity which the world is doing its damndest to reduce consumption of."

And base a WhitePaper....

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

The Saudis are intolerant and live in the dark ages but at least they are not slaughtering people on the vast scale that IS is.

They also spend a fortune on British weapon systems and this is about the first time that they have actually used them since the first Gulf War.

This has nothing to do with oil but everything to do with a trying to stem a very violent version of Islam that has been condemned by religious scholars across the Middle East.

Having the Iraqi army run away and leave all their equipment behind has caused a lot of problems but they seemed to have grown a pair and are actually fighting.

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By *illdeeCouple
over a year ago

St Andrews this week

"It's nothing to do with the Scottish Referendum at all

IS need to be destroyed before they destroy you

These people are bad - sit on the fence - then more fool you

What utter nonsense!!

There are bad people everywhere - we created and armed many of them

We initiated these conflicts in the Middle East based on lies and greed and the world and innocents are suffering as a consequence.

We have done nothing to halt the slaughter of innocents and genocide in African nations.

And anyone who believes this vote was not delayed pending the Referendum is seriously deluded. "

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"It's nothing to do with the Scottish Referendum at all

IS need to be destroyed before they destroy you

These people are bad - sit on the fence - then more fool you

What utter nonsense!!

There are bad people everywhere - we created and armed many of them

We initiated these conflicts in the Middle East based on lies and greed and the world and innocents are suffering as a consequence.

We have done nothing to halt the slaughter of innocents and genocide in African nations.

And anyone who believes this vote was not delayed pending the Referendum is seriously deluded.

You really think that the guy is right? Bloody hell the 44.7% are really paranoid.

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

paranoid and deluded. I was taught at school that 55% was greater then 45% but obviously I went to a different school to the 45ers, lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We should just take them on in a good old fashioned square go!! Winner takes all

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Nicola v Ruth Davidson?

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Nicola v Ruth Davidson? "

Only if it was a paddling pool full of pink custard and they were naked ...

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