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By *igspurter699 OP   Man
over a year ago

td , ne .

Well the voters have spoken . Right choice in the end . What will salmond and sturgeon do now ?

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By *w84TV/TS
over a year ago

NI

I think they should do nothing. A majority voted for the status quo so the status quo should stay.

If the unionists want to allow more powers to Scotland then they should arrange that between themselves.

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By *igspurter699 OP   Man
over a year ago

td , ne .

I totally agree with that

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By *lyingscotsman696Man
over a year ago

Renfrewshire

Regroup & try again in five years when the liars at Westminster do not fulfill there hollow promises

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge


"Regroup & try again in five years when the liars at Westminster do not fulfill there hollow promises "
why do this and to be fair westminster havent promised anything that was the yes campaign the no campaign has said there is more devolution powers on the way which im sure there is apart from that shock horror all politicians lie including the ones you agree with I will now go back to abstaining from voting as I trust noneof them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Regroup & try again in five years when the liars at Westminster do not fulfill there hollow promises "

Scotland has enough hatred dividing it what with religion and now the referendum... Scotland has spoken and we said NO end of let's just get on with moving forward and making scotland a great place

(Oh and I'm a happy proud Scot this morning)

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By *izardie2Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Regroup & try again in five years when the liars at Westminster do not fulfill there hollow promises

Scotland has enough hatred dividing it what with religion and now the referendum... Scotland has spoken and we said NO end of let's just get on with moving forward and making scotland a great place

(Oh and I'm a happy proud Scot this morning) "

Like missmilf

lets get on with it #proudscot

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By *issyForDommeTV/TS
over a year ago

glasgow

The majority of people have spoken yes, it will still continue as negotiations begin for the more devolved powers though. I'm disappointed that we don't start down the road to independence but I'm still going to back everyone on the road to getting the devolved powers.

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"Regroup & try again in five years when the liars at Westminster do not fulfill there hollow promises "

Think you may be disappointed again

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By *unglasgow69Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

David Cameron said it quite clearly there will be no second chances for further referendums. The yes campaign got the referendum they so desired over the years. They had their chance to persuade a nation they failed to do so so time they moved & try to take us forward in a more positive manner.

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By *othingButCocoChanelWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Regroup & try again in five years when the liars at Westminster do not fulfill there hollow promises "

Hope

So

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The majority of people have spoken yes, it will still continue as negotiations begin for the more devolved powers though. I'm disappointed that we don't start down the road to independence but I'm still going to back everyone on the road to getting the devolved powers. "

I think you'll find the majority spoke no...

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east

Very disappointed ...we had the chance to become a great independent nation and we bottled it .... 1.6 million people saw through westminsters hollow threats and lies their voices will not be silenced now ..westminster HAS to deliver in a big way or face round 2

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"The majority of people have spoken yes, it will still continue as negotiations begin for the more devolved powers though. I'm disappointed that we don't start down the road to independence but I'm still going to back everyone on the road to getting the devolved powers. "

yes the majority did and it was a NO.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

all those votes and what has changed ? nothing , westminster will decide if we get any new powers when we get new powers , no change

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Change will happen. The independence cause lost because they had no answers.

I've yet to meet an honest politician but if AS had stood up from the begining and said that he wanted a currency union but if that wasn't going to happen then we would go down the road of sterlingisation or set up our own currency, etc he might have clinched it.

The lack of clarity and downright dishonesty cost him dearly. Who thought getting Tommy Sheriden as a spokesman was a great idea?

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

Falkirk


"all those votes and what has changed ? nothing , westminster will decide if we get any new powers when we get new powers , no change "

Aren't you pleased so many actually voted? It's the biggest turnout probably ever

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Change will happen. The independence cause lost because they had no answers.

I've yet to meet an honest politician but if AS had stood up from the begining and said that he wanted a currency union but if that wasn't going to happen then we would go down the road of sterlingisation or set up our own currency, etc he might have clinched it.

The lack of clarity and downright dishonesty cost him dearly. Who thought getting Tommy Sheriden as a spokesman was a great idea?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"all those votes and what has changed ? nothing , westminster will decide if we get any new powers when we get new powers , no change "

Question for you, would you have voted Yes at any cost? Regardless of the potential pitfalls, would you have wanted Independence whatever it may have cost you or your family?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yes 55% voted no but the other 45% wil keep fighting for our independence ,the yes movement will lick our wounds and come back bigger and stronger until we get our independence,mite take yrs but it will come.

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

Falkirk


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The lack of clarity and downright dishonesty cost him dearly. Who thought getting Tommy Sheriden as a spokesman was a great idea?"

Whilst I don't agree with Tommy Sheridan about almost anything, I DO admire his tenacity and his will to stick to what his principles. Very very few public people are willing to say exactly how they feel as they don't want to be unpopular.

The only other person in public life that I've had utmost respect for was Bob Crow. He was another man who's politics should have set us worlds apart but like Tommy, he had the balls to stand up and be counted - even if it's probably the most unpopular _iew in the county

Holy cow - how did I end up defending Tommy Sheridan??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"all those votes and what has changed ? nothing , westminster will decide if we get any new powers when we get new powers , no change

Question for you, would you have voted Yes at any cost? Regardless of the potential pitfalls, would you have wanted Independence whatever it may have cost you or your family? "

it comes down.to who u beleive in i beleived we would have been better independent and u beleive we r better under the condems .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"all those votes and what has changed ? nothing , westminster will decide if we get any new powers when we get new powers , no change

Question for you, would you have voted Yes at any cost? Regardless of the potential pitfalls, would you have wanted Independence whatever it may have cost you or your family? "

absolutely , all my life i have argued that freedoom and self determination regardless of risk and cost is the only way for a reall country to stand tall . now Scotland will never be allowed to ever think again about running our own affairs . westminster will decide if we are to get any new powers , westminster will decide what those powers might be , westminster will decide when we might get them , and with a westminster election coming up soon i doubt they will give Scotland a tuppany farts woth of anything meaningful

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The nation has voted and the result should be accepted and let us move on.

The only question to be answered now is how much did this cost us as a nation, probably enough to have built a new hospital !!!!

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By *ishaw girlMan
over a year ago

motherwell

I voted yes and dissappointed in the outcome but it's over for now so let's get back to what we're all good at let's get the kinky fun started

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By *cottybhoyMan
over a year ago

falkirk

Tommy Sheridan spoke with passion in Falkirk about Trident, Food Banks, the Bedroom Tax and a young lad he knew called Gordon Gentles who was blown to bits in an illegal war fought in our name.

The result of the ballot means that the people of Scotland will continue to suffer and have such policies imposed on us whether we wish them or not.

Our Scottish vote in the General Election next year will count for nothing. There are more voters in Birmingham than in Scotland combined.

If Gordon Brown had spoken so passionately about Scotland and looked after our interests when Labour was in power I would have been happy to Vote No.

But he didn't and I believe we have missed the opportunity of a lifetime to make very real change in areas of social justice, inclusion and equitable distribution of wealth.

Hopefully we can all now just get back to enjoying our sexual beings now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think there are any winners today. It will all depend on how we manage our affairs within the union.

Even the no voters want change , they don't want the Westminster way of doing things. Even England has woken up to the idea of the regions wanting more devolved powers.

One aside issue will be the end of Scottish MP S voting on purely English matters which I have to agree with as Scotland has had it both ways.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"all those votes and what has changed ? nothing , westminster will decide if we get any new powers when we get new powers , no change

Question for you, would you have voted Yes at any cost? Regardless of the potential pitfalls, would you have wanted Independence whatever it may have cost you or your family?

absolutely , all my life i have argued that freedoom and self determination regardless of risk and cost is the only way for a reall country to stand tall . now Scotland will never be allowed to ever think again about running our own affairs . westminster will decide if we are to get any new powers , westminster will decide what those powers might be , westminster will decide when we might get them , and with a westminster election coming up soon i doubt they will give Scotland a tuppany farts woth of anything meaningful"

so, what you are saying is Scots can never vote again, and put the people we want into positions of power???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can't wait to hear the moaning and complaining when we are stuck with a conservative government at Westminster.

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By *lcockMan
over a year ago

stirling

Well here's my say.

To cut a long story short. I voted no as their was to much uncertainty and no apparent contingency plan should things not go in Scotland's favour. I was also disappointed by a certain amount of the f**k England element to the campaign. (a minority but certainly a few out my way)

What we must take pride in is the amount of people who used their democratic right. Regardless if you voted yes or no, we voted because we believed in what we thought was best for this country and our future and because we cared.

As I stood at the ballot box and read the question of should Scotland be an independent country? I paused as it was real, and I knew what it meant to so many people. I did what I believed was right and best, as did everyone who voted.

To move forward we must unite in our common bond that is Scotland, and exercise that democratic right in future general elections in the same numbers. Then we will get heard.

Regardless of the way you voted yesterday we showed our passion for our country.

I wish you all the very best.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well here's my say.

To cut a long story short. I voted no as their was to much uncertainty and no apparent contingency plan should things not go in Scotland's favour. I was also disappointed by a certain amount of the f**k England element to the campaign. (a minority but certainly a few out my way)

What we must take pride in is the amount of people who used their democratic right. Regardless if you voted yes or no, we voted because we believed in what we thought was best for this country and our future and because we cared.

As I stood at the ballot box and read the question of should Scotland be an independent country? I paused as it was real, and I knew what it meant to so many people. I did what I believed was right and best, as did everyone who voted.

To move forward we must unite in our common bond that is Scotland, and exercise that democratic right in future general elections in the same numbers. Then we will get heard.

Regardless of the way you voted yesterday we showed our passion for our country.

I wish you all the very best.

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well said!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This was a journey toward integrity.

Those who voted no will realise this when the English backbenchers revolt against their leaders who put a third option to us.

Labour, Conservative, Lib Dems et al showed how cowardice and contempt will prevail.

We will vote again!!!!

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east

What happens next for Scotland ......

£25billion in austerity cuts, announcements on more oil reserves being explored (which we will not really benefit from ) which has been held back from the people of scotland until AFTER the referendum and scotland having to pay our share of the estimated £46billion toward HS2 rail link which will only benefit london and wont even come anywhere near our border and the continuing privatisation of the NHS ....thats just the start......well done scotland

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge


"Well here's my say.

To cut a long story short. I voted no as their was to much uncertainty and no apparent contingency plan should things not go in Scotland's favour. I was also disappointed by a certain amount of the f**k England element to the campaign. (a minority but certainly a few out my way)

What we must take pride in is the amount of people who used their democratic right. Regardless if you voted yes or no, we voted because we believed in what we thought was best for this country and our future and because we cared.

As I stood at the ballot box and read the question of should Scotland be an independent country? I paused as it was real, and I knew what it meant to so many people. I did what I believed was right and best, as did everyone who voted.

To move forward we must unite in our common bond that is Scotland, and exercise that democratic right in future general elections in the same numbers. Then we will get heard.

Regardless of the way you voted yesterday we showed our passion for our country.

I wish you all the very best.

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sorry but that was my first and only vote it wont change I dont agree with any partys politics its all lies the whole system needs overhauled so until scotland needs my vote again like dragons den .........im out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This was a journey toward integrity.

Those who voted no will realise this when the English backbenchers revolt against their leaders who put a third option to us.

Labour, Conservative, Lib Dems et al showed how cowardice and contempt

will prevail.

We will vote again!!!!"

I don't think the three parties will be that fussed if the new powers make it through parliament because the offer has worked and Westminster got the result it wanted.

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By *erfume-LoverMan
over a year ago

Lothian area

Two years until Boris takes over

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By *stwoCouple
over a year ago

anywhere

there will be no round 2.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"there will be no round 2."

Think you are correct the opportunity has gone. But hey we're all proud scots.

Was reading on one of the other threads about the Scottish national anthem, surely that needs to be changed to something else now.

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By *leasure domMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

A terrible day for Scotland.

Those who allowed fear and deception to overcome logic and hope will inevitably discover that the establishment's vague promises are meaningless, insubstantial and inadequate.

Time to build on the 45% so that within a few years we will indeed control our own political, economic and social future.

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By *leasure domMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"This was a journey toward integrity.

Those who voted no will realise this when the English backbenchers revolt against their leaders who put a third option to us.

Labour, Conservative, Lib Dems et al showed how cowardice and contempt will prevail.

We will vote again!!!!"

Absolutely correct. Anyone hoping this issue is decided "once and for all" or "for a generation" is truly deluded.

The YES movement will NOT be going away. Get used to it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Was reading on one of the other threads about the Scottish national anthem, surely that needs to be changed to something else now. "
I cannot believe you want to sell that too!!!!!!!!

Not even sell it, give it away???? Never

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east


"A terrible day for Scotland.

Those who allowed fear and deception to overcome logic and hope will inevitably discover that the establishment's vague promises are meaningless, insubstantial and inadequate.

Time to build on the 45% so that within a few years we will indeed control our own political, economic and social future."

the building blocks for independence in the future are now in place with 45% voting for it ...when the no voters finally see through the lies of wesminster the people will speak again ..i have no doubt on that...it wont be tomorrow but it WILL come

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By *leasure domMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"there will be no round 2."

In your dreams!

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By *ent57Man
over a year ago

... where the streets have no name!

... perhaps we can now return to true politics in this country - the

SNP got what it wanted - a referendum.

I agree that the question needed to be put to the country - and it was answered by 85+% of the electorate. Now that the SNP's Raison d'être has been answered perhaps the country will elect politicians with other priorities.

BTW ... I would have thought this if we had been successful and voted YES!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I personally wouldn't at all!!! But given the majority's unionist _iews the words are some what unfitting.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge


"A terrible day for Scotland.

Those who allowed fear and deception to overcome logic and hope will inevitably discover that the establishment's vague promises are meaningless, insubstantial and inadequate.

Time to build on the 45% so that within a few years we will indeed control our own political, economic and social future."
sorry but vague promises insubstantial and inadequate was the reason alot of folk voted no had the yes campaign put forward an actual package to show change was possible the vote may have differed but pipedreams was their downfall to many saw through it and wont risk future generations on a rainbows and butterfly ideas with their next attempt I hope for hard facts it could make the difference

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Vague promises and insubstantial"

Kind of like the promise of more powers that the three party's can't even agree on.

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

Falkirk


""Vague promises and insubstantial"

Kind of like the promise of more powers that the three party's can't even agree on."

You are 100% correct - BUT they have the benefit of a stable currency and that I believe was probably the Yes campaigns biggest downfall and vote loser. They couldn't give us a definite answer on the currency

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By *issyForDommeTV/TS
over a year ago

glasgow


"The majority of people have spoken yes, it will still continue as negotiations begin for the more devolved powers though. I'm disappointed that we don't start down the road to independence but I'm still going to back everyone on the road to getting the devolved powers.

I think you'll find the majority spoke no... "

I think you'll find that you misunderstood me, i know how the vote went-i was up all night watching the disappointing results come in. Now that you know that, read it again and see if it makes sense to you now.

In case it doesn't though I'll rephrase it slightly.

Yes the majority of people have spoken, the debate will still continue as negotiations for devolved powers go on but I'll support that process even though it isn't the negotiations of independence.

Does that make anymore sense to you?

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By *issyForDommeTV/TS
over a year ago

glasgow


"The majority of people have spoken yes, it will still continue as negotiations begin for the more devolved powers though. I'm disappointed that we don't start down the road to independence but I'm still going to back everyone on the road to getting the devolved powers.

yes the majority did and it was a NO."

See my last comment.

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By *ippguyMan
over a year ago

tipperary

As an outsider looking in I thought the outcome would be different. For a country to turn down it's independence is a bit of a shock. Yes there would have been problems to start off but at least ye would have been in charge of ye''re own destiny. Independence first and then build. Good luck with your decision!

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By *ootlover456Man
over a year ago

Paisley

my congratulations to the no voters.

I don't believe you've done what is best in fact if im honest I think you've completely fucked our country and the world now sees Scotland as a laughing stock.

I think Westminster are going to turn round and bite us in the ass because you've made us appear weak. and easy pickings. further devolution is a joke. because powers gave to you are powers that can be taken from you if you don't do what your told. and Westminster will continue Austerity. to keep nuclear material in our country and will begin to sell off all our recourses ukip will end up in charge down the line and youll have no say because in every vote your outnumbered by the English. both the government and media will remain corrupt and were gonna dragged into more illegal wars

but that being said its just my opinion which understandably is different from yours. and a bit negative at the moment as im sure you'll forgive. at the moment I hope you are the ones who are right but I cant see it.

my congratulations on your victory and I hope that I am wrong. I apologise if this really is as supportive and understanding as I can be right now.

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By *w84TV/TS
over a year ago

NI

There were answers that the SNP didn't fully explain (for what reason I'm not sure).

The currency situation was easily solved and explained.

People didn't vote yesterday for more powers to Scotland through devolution - that wasn't on the ballot.

Further devolution is at the will of Westminster, is not concrete, has no defined outcome.

Lets not forget that Thatcher promised devolution to the Scots and once she got the referendum vote that she wanted she turned her back quicker than a gay guy in a sauna.

But one thing's for sure, it's made me really want to move back to Edinburgh.

30 years ago the referendum could be forgotten as it faded from news cycles. But with social media the activism will continue and people will feel empowered to campaign for what they see as their country's freedom - this is far from over.

Another referendum could be triggered within a few years, if after an EU referendum, Scotland and England vote for different outcomes.

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

Falkirk


"my congratulations to the no voters.

I don't believe you've done what is best in fact if im honest I think you've completely fucked our country and the world now sees Scotland as a laughing stock.

I think Westminster are going to turn round and bite us in the ass because you've made us appear weak. and easy pickings. further devolution is a joke. because powers gave to you are powers that can be taken from you if you don't do what your told. and Westminster will continue Austerity. to keep nuclear material in our country and will begin to sell off all our recourses ukip will end up in charge down the line and youll have no say because in every vote your outnumbered by the English. both the government and media will remain corrupt and were gonna dragged into more illegal wars

but that being said its just my opinion which understandably is different from yours. and a bit negative at the moment as im sure you'll forgive. at the moment I hope you are the ones who are right but I cant see it.

my congratulations on your victory and I hope that I am wrong. I apologise if this really is as supportive and understanding as I can be right now.

"

I find it sad that you feel almost despondent at the moment but I hope that in time your positivity will return and you will embrace the people of Scotland who you feel have let you down, put your differences aside and work together for the good of the country

Chin up, you know ultimately there are only 2 things in life that are certainties - death and taxes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A terrible day for Scotland.

Those who allowed fear and deception to overcome logic and hope will inevitably discover that the establishment's vague promises are meaningless, insubstantial and inadequate.

Time to build on the 45% so that within a few years we will indeed control our own political, economic and social future.

the building blocks for independence in the future are now in place with 45% voting for it ...when the no voters finally see through the lies of wesminster the people will speak again ..i have no doubt on that...it wont be tomorrow but it WILL come "

def agree wit u there mate as i said earlier this is a movement and our kids and grandkids will make it happen .

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By *issyForDommeTV/TS
over a year ago

glasgow


"A terrible day for Scotland.

Those who allowed fear and deception to overcome logic and hope will inevitably discover that the establishment's vague promises are meaningless, insubstantial and inadequate.

Time to build on the 45% so that within a few years we will indeed control our own political, economic and social future.

the building blocks for independence in the future are now in place with 45% voting for it ...when the no voters finally see through the lies of wesminster the people will speak again ..i have no doubt on that...it wont be tomorrow but it WILL come

def agree wit u there mate as i said earlier this is a movement and our kids and grandkids will make it happen ."

I'm sure the folks in the 50s and 70s thought that too after their referendums...we had the chance and didn't take it.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge


"A terrible day for Scotland.

Those who allowed fear and deception to overcome logic and hope will inevitably discover that the establishment's vague promises are meaningless, insubstantial and inadequate.

Time to build on the 45% so that within a few years we will indeed control our own political, economic and social future.

the building blocks for independence in the future are now in place with 45% voting for it ...when the no voters finally see through the lies of wesminster the people will speak again ..i have no doubt on that...it wont be tomorrow but it WILL come

def agree wit u there mate as i said earlier this is a movement and our kids and grandkids will make it happen ."
if the times ever right it will happen if not the people will keep it on the back burner no matter which generation im happy to say the diverse folk that now make up scotland are nobodys mug and will have their voice heard when it matters

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Scotland are nobody's mug and will have their voice heard when it matters"

I think we are somebody's mug....

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge


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Scotland are nobody's mug and will have their voice heard when it matters

I think we are somebody's mug...."
your voice was heard no matter which side you voted you are no ones mug and have made it known you will stand and be counted when necessary this makes you and all those who made their voice heard no ones mug

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

Falkirk


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Scotland are nobody's mug and will have their voice heard when it matters

I think we are somebody's mug....your voice was heard no matter which side you voted you are no ones mug and have made it known you will stand and be counted when necessary this makes you and all those who made their voice heard no ones mug"

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By *ptimusDMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Alex Salmond's lifelong dream for a referendum came, he made his arguments and it was rejected by a fairly significant margin.

Perhaps now the SNP will find a different slogan from the "They wanting Scottish people deciding how they're governed" they've been slipping into the answers of any question they're asked.

For those in the "Yes" camp who still have a them-and-us attitude with regards to the rest of the UK, it is time to tone it down a bit.

Scotland is a very important part of the UK with its own strong national identity and culture. But so does the rest of the UK and that includes England.

For too long the Scottish nationalists have been playing the victim card, shouting about the proud Scottish blood flowing through their veins, stretching their hands and making demand upon demand. Sod the rest of the union, as long as you're seeking for your sense of entitlement to be satisfied.

Well, this referendum has changed attitudes all round and you'll find the rest of the UK no longer prepared to continue to accept this anomaly of the tail constantly wagging the dog.

Fairness and an even hand will now be at the forefront of any distribution of power or wealth within these islands.

Whatever power is devolved to Scotland will be demanded by England, Northern Ireland and Wales. This insane practice of Scottish MPs only deciding what goes on in Scotland but then also deciding laws in England will definitely be coming to an end.

We're all equal partners in this union and you'll find that it is no longer going to be seen as unfashionable for people to shout about English patriotism and English pride.

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By *w84TV/TS
over a year ago

NI

Indeed, Farage and the Daily Mail have remained silent on English Pride until today. Lest they should be denied their say any longer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Social media seems to be awash with inept counting, blatant and frankly shocking

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Alex Salmond's lifelong dream for a referendum came, he made his arguments and it was rejected by a fairly significant margin.

Perhaps now the SNP will find a different slogan from the "They wanting Scottish people deciding how they're governed" they've been slipping into the answers of any question they're asked.

For those in the "Yes" camp who still have a them-and-us attitude with regards to the rest of the UK, it is time to tone it down a bit.

Scotland is a very important part of the UK with its own strong national identity and culture. But so does the rest of the UK and that includes England.

For too long the Scottish nationalists have been playing the victim card, shouting about the proud Scottish blood flowing through their veins, stretching their hands and making demand upon demand. Sod the rest of the union, as long as you're seeking for your sense of entitlement to be satisfied.

Well, this referendum has changed attitudes all round and you'll find the rest of the UK no longer prepared to continue to accept this anomaly of the tail constantly wagging the dog.

Fairness and an even hand will now be at the forefront of any distribution of power or wealth within these islands.

Whatever power is devolved to Scotland will be demanded by England, Northern Ireland and Wales. This insane practice of Scottish MPs only deciding what goes on in Scotland but then also deciding laws in England will definitely be coming to an end.

We're all equal partners in this union and you'll find that it is no longer going to be seen as unfashionable for people to shout about English patriotism and English pride."

Its obvious you have no clue in the process. We have MSP's who vote solely on Scottish affairs in the devolved parliament. MP's who vote in Westminster. You cannot vote as both. So you're whole post is based on myth and conjecture and blatant anti Scots bigotry and bias

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By *wiftieeMan
over a year ago

near Glasgow


" Who thought getting Tommy Sheriden as a spokesman was a great idea?"

Or Denis Canavan??

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By *ptimusDMan
over a year ago

Birmingham


"Alex Salmond's lifelong dream for a referendum came, he made his arguments and it was rejected by a fairly significant margin.

Perhaps now the SNP will find a different slogan from the "They wanting Scottish people deciding how they're governed" they've been slipping into the answers of any question they're asked.

For those in the "Yes" camp who still have a them-and-us attitude with regards to the rest of the UK, it is time to tone it down a bit.

Scotland is a very important part of the UK with its own strong national identity and culture. But so does the rest of the UK and that includes England.

For too long the Scottish nationalists have been playing the victim card, shouting about the proud Scottish blood flowing through their veins, stretching their hands and making demand upon demand. Sod the rest of the union, as long as you're seeking for your sense of entitlement to be satisfied.

Well, this referendum has changed attitudes all round and you'll find the rest of the UK no longer prepared to continue to accept this anomaly of the tail constantly wagging the dog.

Fairness and an even hand will now be at the forefront of any distribution of power or wealth within these islands.

Whatever power is devolved to Scotland will be demanded by England, Northern Ireland and Wales. This insane practice of Scottish MPs only deciding what goes on in Scotland but then also deciding laws in England will definitely be coming to an end.

We're all equal partners in this union and you'll find that it is no longer going to be seen as unfashionable for people to shout about English patriotism and English pride.

Its obvious you have no clue in the process. We have MSP's who vote solely on Scottish affairs in the devolved parliament. MP's who vote in Westminster. You cannot vote as both. So you're whole post is based on myth and conjecture and blatant anti Scots bigotry and bias"

MPs from Scottish constituencies sit and vote in Westminster on laws that only affect England and will therefore have no impact in their constituents.

No MP from any other part of the UK votes on issues in Holyrood. MSPs who are obviously all Scottish sit and vote there.

Only those who have nothing intelligent to add to the discussion resort to name calling. It's the exact same attitude that lost you the referendum.

You should have learnt by now that those who make the loudest noise aren't necessarily in the majority. You succeeded in branding anyone who disagreed with you unpatriotic & anti-Scotland, and intimidating them into silence. Getting yourselves into a false sense of momentum and possible victory.

Well, the results are out now. So, there!

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By *ustcutieWoman
over a year ago

edinburgh


"

You should have learnt by now that those who make the loudest noise aren't necessarily in the majority. You succeeded in branding anyone who disagreed with you unpatriotic & anti-Scotland, and intimidating them into silence. Getting yourselves into a false sense of momentum and possible victory.

Well, the results are out now. So, there!

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I agree with this part

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

English MP's don't vote on defense, nhs, welfare, tax? All of these affect Scotland. So apology please?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It has be interesting to hear that the intimidation was totally one sided as in yes voters intimidating no voters, not much said about comments aimed at Andy Murray saying pity he hadn't died at Dunblane. When he was merely giving an opinion on something he couldn't even vote on.

So it's not all one sided.

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By *wiftieeMan
over a year ago

near Glasgow

Here's another way to look at yesterday; look at it as a court case under Scotland's already unique justice system.

The case: independence

The prosecution: the Yes campaign

The defence: the No campaign

The jury: the people of Scotland

The verdict: NOT PROVEN

The Yes campaign didn't provide the right or sufficient evidence to win their case; simple.

I'd be happy for an independent Scotland, IN PRINCIPLE, but as many have said, the Yes campaign didn't answer the critical questions, or their answers weren't convincing.

Just as I struggle to understand how intelligent sane people can claim that Gordon Brown was one of the best CoEs we've ever had, and latterly PMs, I also fail to understand how similarly endowed people claim we could survive as an independent country. Ehhhh.......based on what?

Our prisons would be even fuller if it wasn't for the simple fact that the prosecution has to provide FACTUAL evidence to get a positive result. In the case of independence, the Yes campaign failed to do this so the people of Scotland dismissed the case. Simple. End of.

But just remember......the 'double jeopardy' rule no longer applies in Scotland!

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"It has be interesting to hear that the intimidation was totally one sided as in yes voters intimidating no voters, not much said about comments aimed at Andy Murray saying pity he hadn't died at Dunblane. When he was merely giving an opinion on something he couldn't even vote on.

So it's not all one sided."

there have been nasty comments made on both sides.

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By *wiftieeMan
over a year ago

near Glasgow


" You should have learnt by now that those who make the loudest noise aren't necessarily in the majority. "

Those concerned should remember the old saying; "empty vessels make the most noise"!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Undoubtedly, but saying you wish somebody was killed as a child in a school shooting is quite a serious one.

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By *w84TV/TS
over a year ago

NI

The SNP focused too much on the abstract.

They should have pointed to examples of former colonies who went independent.

The Irish Punt was pegged to the sterling for decades and used as a means to keep an Irish currency until they found a different way. That's not abstract, that's an actual example of how it was done and made to work.

It's not ideal long term but it was a start.

But at the end of the day the national media was throwing everything it could against Scottish independence, who knows what effect that had on the outcome.

One of the Yes people in the creative industries who was on the BBC said that being in the union 'infantilised' Scotland and that was a quote that really stuck with me.

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By *w84TV/TS
over a year ago

NI

Apparently Salmond is stepping down as First Minister in November.

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By *ptimusDMan
over a year ago

Birmingham


"Apparently Salmond is stepping down as First Minister in November. "

He is stepping down in November and will be putting himself forward as an MP at the next general election to sit in Westminster.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge


"Apparently Salmond is stepping down as First Minister in November. "
I have respect for that he has taken his party as far as he can its now time to hand over to someone new I may not like him but respect his belief and his honour with this decision

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

Falkirk


"Apparently Salmond is stepping down as First Minister in November. "

I guess he feels he can longer carry on.

I wish him well with the future but can't thinking he should have stayed until the Scottish elections next year

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By *w84TV/TS
over a year ago

NI

Are the elections not in 2 years time?

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

Falkirk


"Apparently Salmond is stepping down as First Minister in November.

He is stepping down in November and will be putting himself forward as an MP at the next general election to sit in Westminster.

"

Good luck to him at Westminster.

It's a bit like going into the lions den for him but I can't wait to see him and Boris duking it out

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

Falkirk


"Are the elections not in 2 years time? "

Oooooo got me there, thought they were next year

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"Apparently Salmond is stepping down as First Minister in November.

He is stepping down in November and will be putting himself forward as an MP at the next general election to sit in Westminster.

"

His shout to do as he sees fit but I do find it strange he would go to Westminster, he has such comtempt for the place.

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"It has be interesting to hear that the intimidation was totally one sided as in yes voters intimidating no voters, not much said about comments aimed at Andy Murray saying pity he hadn't died at Dunblane. When he was merely giving an opinion on something he couldn't even vote on.

So it's not all one sided."

Actually I have heard of No voters being just as bad as Yes voters. I have seen Yes Voters in the City Centre being rude and vile to people. I did not see any No Voters (i.e. people handing out leaflets) so I cant comment on their behaviour.

I know that by the looks of things the vast majority of people from both camps behaved very well by all accounts.

The comments from stupid people on twitter aimed at Murray are disgusting but so were the comments aimed at Cameron on here. Its swings and roundabouts. BUT the vast majority are fine.

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By *ootlover456Man
over a year ago

Paisley

so milliband already backed out of devolution and weve lost one of the best first ministers weve ever had.

I gotta ask. itd drive me mad if I didn't

are any of the no voters. regretting it ?

I mean its not been a whole day and they've already backed out of their promises. with it looks like more to come

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Undoubtedly, but saying you wish somebody was killed as a child in a school shooting is quite a serious one. "

I'm not averse to using provocative language but that comment is completely unacceptable.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Apparently Salmond is stepping down as First Minister in November.

He is stepping down in November and will be putting himself forward as an MP at the next general election to sit in Westminster.

His shout to do as he sees fit but I do find it strange he would go to Westminster, he has such comtempt for the place."

He loves the pies in the Strangers Bar.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"all those votes and what has changed ? nothing , westminster will decide if we get any new powers when we get new powers , no change

Question for you, would you have voted Yes at any cost? Regardless of the potential pitfalls, would you have wanted Independence whatever it may have cost you or your family?

absolutely , all my life i have argued that freedoom and self determination regardless of risk and cost is the only way for a reall country to stand tall . now Scotland will never be allowed to ever think again about running our own affairs . westminster will decide if we are to get any new powers , westminster will decide what those powers might be , westminster will decide when we might get them , and with a westminster election coming up soon i doubt they will give Scotland a tuppany farts woth of anything meaningful

so, what you are saying is Scots can never vote again, and put the people we want into positions of power??? "
ehe.... Hello? What do you think this vote was for ?

Of course we won't

Scotland vote on a national scale is a drop in the ocean

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"English MP's don't vote on defense, nhs, welfare, tax? All of these affect Scotland. So apology please?"

You've totally missed the point. Google the West Lothian Question.

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By *ptimusDMan
over a year ago

Birmingham


"Apparently Salmond is stepping down as First Minister in November.

He is stepping down in November and will be putting himself forward as an MP at the next general election to sit in Westminster.

"

***CORRECTION***

Sorry folks.., wrong info.

He is stepping down as the SNP leader and as First Minister but will serve out his term as an MSP.

He isn't stepping anywhere near Westminster

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"Apparently Salmond is stepping down as First Minister in November.

He is stepping down in November and will be putting himself forward as an MP at the next general election to sit in Westminster.

***CORRECTION***

Sorry folks.., wrong info.

He is stepping down as the SNP leader and as First Minister but will serve out his term as an MSP.

He isn't stepping anywhere near Westminster "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A terrible day for Scotland.

Those who allowed fear and deception to overcome logic and hope will inevitably discover that the establishment's vague promises are meaningless, insubstantial and inadequate.

Time to build on the 45% so that within a few years we will indeed control our own political, economic and social future.sorry but vague promises insubstantial and inadequate was the reason alot of folk voted no had the yes campaign put forward an actual package to show change was possible the vote may have differed but pipedreams was their downfall to many saw through it and wont risk future generations on a rainbows and butterfly ideas with their next attempt I hope for hard facts it could make the difference "

Spot on Kola

I can only hope the independence campaign learn from this and start the planning and discussions needed now so that when this comes again, and it will, they'll have substantiated answers rather than promises.

If they'd had those this time it'd have been a landslide victory

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What are people's feelings/opinions on the last minute "vow" that the Scottish electorate we're given if it does not materialise?

Watching sky news and the "vow" seems to be cracking at the seems already.

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"A terrible day for Scotland.

Those who allowed fear and deception to overcome logic and hope will inevitably discover that the establishment's vague promises are meaningless, insubstantial and inadequate.

Time to build on the 45% so that within a few years we will indeed control our own political, economic and social

future."

I did not allow fear or deception to make me vote NO. I used logic, I read the Whitepaper from the SNP, I check the facts of it

You should really take a close look at the YES campaign and see what went wrong with it all. You cant blame it all on scaremongering and threats. A chunk of what was proposed just did not add up.

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"What are people's feelings/opinions on the last minute "vow" that the Scottish electorate we're given if it does not materialise?

Watching sky news and the "vow" seems to be cracking at the seems already.

"

I am happy for something that will be a benifit to all the UK and I think that it should all come at once. This is a massive day for Scotland and the UK.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Rammy in George Sq, Glasgow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Was always gonna happen

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"Rammy in George Sq, Glasgow."

it is a shame if it worsens.

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1Woman
over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!


"Rammy in George Sq, Glasgow.

it is a shame if it worsens."
just saw some footage and it totally discusting !!!

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

Birmingham (3nts)

Sigh

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

The people in George Sq who are showing up the country with their actions(from Yes and No) should be ashamed of themselves.

I see people on the news clips with their children down there, with that carryon going on if I was there with kids I would be getting them the hell out of that area.

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

bedforshire

What in the name of the sweet pussy is wrong with you all tonight?

Do you not see what Scotland has done?

We have changed the face of the political universe!

The whole of the UK now demands change and we have done this. And now we a are part not just of our own change but of everyone's!

People's all over the world are looking to Scotland as a model of change devoid of bombs and bullets.

Scotland has done this. You have done this!

Look beyond your front door. Once more we are players on the world stage in the lead role.

Unite behind not a camp of yes or no. But a nation of democratic debate discussion and inclusion. Unite behind Scotland!

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"What in the name of the sweet pussy is wrong with you all tonight?

Do you not see what Scotland has done?

We have changed the face of the political universe!

The whole of the UK now demands change and we have done this. And now we a are part not just of our own change but of everyone's!

People's all over the world are looking to Scotland as a model of change devoid of bombs and bullets.

Scotland has done this. You have done this!

Look beyond your front door. Once more we are players on the world stage in the lead role.

Unite behind not a camp of yes or no. But a nation of democratic debate discussion and inclusion. Unite behind Scotland!"

I have been saying this, we have stood out as people who have had one of the largest democratic turnouts for voting (not forced with fines if you dont vote) in Europe. The TV reports shown today from broadcasters around the world were fantastic.

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

bedforshire


"What in the name of the sweet pussy is wrong with you all tonight?

Do you not see what Scotland has done?

We have changed the face of the political universe!

The whole of the UK now demands change and we have done this. And now we a are part not just of our own change but of everyone's!

People's all over the world are looking to Scotland as a model of change devoid of bombs and bullets.

Scotland has done this. You have done this!

Look beyond your front door. Once more we are players on the world stage in the lead role.

Unite behind not a camp of yes or no. But a nation of democratic debate discussion and inclusion. Unite behind Scotland!

I have been saying this, we have stood out as people who have had one of the largest democratic turnouts for voting (not forced with fines if you dont vote) in Europe. The TV reports shown today from broadcasters around the world were fantastic. "

One of the biggest turnouts in a free choice election ever in the world. But more to the point the engagement the debate the political awakening of those who do not normally vote. It's incredible. The momentum for change amazing and the world is envious. We did not need a yes or no for this. Only the total engagement in self determination . And look how the powerful tremble in its wake. We all yes and no should be so incredibly proud.

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By *icolWoman
over a year ago

glasgow

The empire strikes back lol gosh I never knew sooo many would be sucked in by Cameron and the others on the horses of the apocalypse. ...They didn't even have a vote at the referendum....

I hope all you no voters are proud of yourselves.....One new super hospital costing a £ billion signed off by _icole sturgeon..If that was Westminster we would still be in the chamber debate over this!! On the other hand you no guys are happy with £30 billion on trident? A system that can't ever be used? That's a lot of money that could be used for health in my opinion.

So when the nhs is so heavily subsidised by charity donations it does beg the question?

Peace to all

Nicole

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By *candiumWoman
over a year ago

oban

i am very glad the vote was a no, despite the yes bias of the BBC, the pathetic No campaign and the fudging of the apolitical issues into one of party politics.

I am British, not Scottish and for the yes campaign to be repeatedly talking about the 'freedom of our nation' was downright insulting.

My nation in Great Britain and its already free. To call a decision to keep my identity and my nationality one based on fear is plain wrong and a yes vote would have been a triumph of hope over experience

GB is run by the best people to run it- the great English Civil serviceand personally I want fewer powers for Scotland, not more!

I consider the Scottish Parliament to be an unfortunate irrelevance, full of idiots playing student politics 'casue they're not good enough to play with the big boys where the real action is

I am fed up of losing out on things being north of the border.

What happens to those of us who don;t want change, who like the status quo. who don't want a higher tax state, who don't want free childcare?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"all those votes and what has changed ? nothing , westminster will decide if we get any new powers when we get new powers , no change

Question for you, would you have voted Yes at any cost? Regardless of the potential pitfalls, would you have wanted Independence whatever it may have cost you or your family?

absolutely , all my life i have argued that freedoom and self determination regardless of risk and cost is the only way for a reall country to stand tall . now Scotland will never be allowed to ever think again about running our own affairs . westminster will decide if we are to get any new powers , westminster will decide what those powers might be , westminster will decide when we might get them , and with a westminster election coming up soon i doubt they will give Scotland a tuppany farts woth of anything meaningful

so, what you are saying is Scots can never vote again, and put the people we want into positions of power??? ehe.... Hello? What do you think this vote was for ?

Of course we won't

Scotland vote on a national scale is a drop in the ocean "

we still have to vote tho!! maybe if everyone turned out like yesterday, we WOULD get somewhere ... am not posting any more

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By *icolWoman
over a year ago

glasgow

I'll drive you home to England. ....you'll be much happier there lol ohhhh let me firstly take you past George Square. ..there is a celebration you know you may want to attend lol just kidding your entitled to your wee rant lol enjoy your evening xx

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By *lue4youCouple
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

The real loser in this is the kids that are gonna be born into poverty, in a land that could have been so rich, in a country once noted for it's moral fairness, that has somehow been lost in some cases on the No side, not due to true belief but due to the Me Me me I'm alright Jack fuck you ideology... mmm Thatcherism is still alive and well and breeding in our once proud land

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By *ootlover456Man
over a year ago

Paisley


"i am very glad the vote was a no, despite the yes bias of the BBC, "

you realise of course the BBC are being placed under investigation. for being biased in favour of the no side. right ? for making up statistics and facts that benefited no and spreading fear and lies that supported no

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By *eonardo Da VinciMan
over a year ago

manchester

The yes campaign got smoked! Lol....

A strong representation of transvestites, bigots and idiots are in the yes camp it seems! Thank goodness for the majority who are intelligent enough to see through the lies of the yes campaign.

If you want a better life, get out there and make it better. No politician can do this for you.

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"i am very glad the vote was a no, despite the yes bias of the BBC,

you realise of course the BBC are being placed under investigation. for being biased in favour of the no side. right ? for making up statistics and facts that benefited no and spreading fear and lies that supported no "

Let them be investigated. Are you just looking all over for conspiracies?

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By *vbride1963TV/TS
over a year ago

E.K . Glasgow

There is no need to bring folks sexuality into this

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"The empire strikes back lol gosh I never knew sooo many would be sucked in by Cameron and the others on the horses of the apocalypse. ...They didn't even have a vote at the referendum....

I hope all you no voters are proud of yourselves.....One new super hospital costing a £ billion signed off by _icole sturgeon..If that was Westminster we would still be in the chamber debate over this!! On the other hand you no guys are happy with £30 billion on trident? A system that can't ever be used? That's a lot of money that could be used for health in my opinion.

So when the nhs is so heavily subsidised by charity donations it does beg the question?

Peace to all

Nicole "

Nicole "use No voters" you mean your fellow Scots. Yes I am proud to vote NO.

NHS - This is devolved and its upto the Scottish Gov to manage it. So it would not have went to Westminster so why say that?

Trident - A nuclear deterrant and I am sure there are people that voted Yes and people that voted No that dont agree with it but I am also sure there are people that do agree with it on both sides. Its a matter of personal opinion.

Did you read over the WhitePaper by any chance with regards all the other things that were part of the debate/discussion?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Yes I am proud to vote NO.

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This is the bit that even a few days on I can't quite comprehend, people are proud and actually celebrating that Scotland the nation we all love and are so proud of refused independence. Don't think there would be many nations on earth that don't rule themselves would reject the opportunity for self determination.

I would have considered my self a patriotic Scot and proud very proud of Scotland, I think that has changed forever.

Must admit it's not a nice feeling

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By *candiumWoman
over a year ago

oban


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people are proud and actually celebrating that Scotland the nation we all love and are so proud of refused independence.("

again with the assumptions. the nation i was born in, brought up in and live in, the one i am proud of and voted to save, is NOT Scotland, its Great Britain.

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By *candiumWoman
over a year ago

oban


"i am very glad the vote was a no, despite the yes bias of the BBC,

you realise of course the BBC are being placed under investigation. for being biased in favour of the no side. right ? for making up statistics and facts that benefited no and spreading fear and lies that supported no "

Yeah i had heard that and i find it bizarre, was i watching the same BBC!? I never heard one word that was pro NO.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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again with the assumptions. the nation i was born in, brought up in and live in, the one i am proud of and voted to save, is NOT Scotland, its Great Britain. "

That's my point exactly, that's what we found out over the last few days.

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

Birmingham (3nts)

Maybe, instead of casting vile comments towards this that voted No, those who feel "failed" by the outcome should take a long hard look at the failure of their own campaign.

Why did a majority of Scots reject the proposal?

Even proponents of independence had issues with the Snp dominated Yes campaign.

Patrick Harvie's comments at the start of the campaign ring loud..

Two weeks after the official launch of the campaign, Scottish Green Party co-leaderPatrick Harvie distanced his party from Yes Scotland, saying it was "entirely an SNP vehicle". He suggested that "could lead to defeat at the referendum in 2014"

So it came to pass.

So do not blame No voters for the result, look instead towards those who placed such an poor offer before the Scottish populace.

A Scotland divided against itself is the outcome of this referendum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry? Didn't think I said anything vile?

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

Birmingham (3nts)


"Sorry? Didn't think I said anything vile? "

No, I'm not saying you, but some of the more invested in the Yes camp have.

Telling 2 Million fellow Scots to "f off" to England.

Or the likes of "Scottish Traitors" vile postings on the Scotsman Web site.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry? Didn't think I said anything vile?

No, I'm not saying you, but some of the more invested in the Yes camp have.

Telling 2 Million fellow Scots to "f off" to England.

Or the likes of "Scottish Traitors" vile

postings on the Scotsman Web site.

"

But I think we have clarified that on both sides and in any group of people be it a work place or pub there is, and always will be idiots. That's not new or unique to this topic.

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

Birmingham (3nts)


"Sorry? Didn't think I said anything vile?

No, I'm not saying you, but some of the more invested in the Yes camp have.

Telling 2 Million fellow Scots to "f off" to England.

Or the likes of "Scottish Traitors" vile

postings on the Scotsman Web site.

But I think we have clarified that on both sides and in any group of people be it a work place or pub there is, and always will be idiots. That's not new or unique to this topic."

True. So true.

And here in the West we seem to be able to produce some unique specimens of idiots.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not saying which way I voted, but everyone choose to vote in the way they thought was best them. The key fact in this vote is regardless of who won there was going to be a sizeable chunk of the population whom where unhappy. What we should now be doing is coming together to make sure Westminster keeps it's offer and does not withdraw it.

Oh and before folk say about labour not signing up to the Tories schedule keep in mind a 3 big party's have their own _iews on the matter of devolved power and it's going to open the floodgates for demands from the other home nations, so they have to be able to say what's happening across the entire UK.

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


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Yes I am proud to vote NO.

This is the bit that even a few days on I can't quite comprehend, people are proud and actually celebrating that Scotland the nation we all love and are so proud of refused independence. Don't think there would be many nations on earth that don't rule themselves would reject the opportunity for self determination.

I would have considered my self a patriotic Scot and proud very proud of Scotland, I think that has changed forever.

Must admit it's not a nice feeling

"

You presume the fact am I Scot that I should have voted YES.

The economical side from the SNP did not add up at all. There is no way i was going to vote with my heart. I was also not just looking at one thing like get rid of trident etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am not telling you which way you should have voted. I was saying the way I feel after Thursday.

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By *wiftieeMan
over a year ago

near Glasgow


"Maybe, instead of casting vile comments towards this that voted No, those who feel "failed" by the outcome should take a long hard look at the failure of their own campaign.

Why did a majority of Scots reject the proposal?

Even proponents of independence had issues with the Snp dominated Yes campaign.

Patrick Harvie's comments at the start of the campaign ring loud..

Two weeks after the official launch of the campaign, Scottish Green Party co-leaderPatrick Harvie distanced his party from Yes Scotland, saying it was "entirely an SNP vehicle". He suggested that "could lead to defeat at the referendum in 2014"

So it came to pass.

So do not blame No voters for the result, look instead towards those who placed such an poor offer before the Scottish populace.

A Scotland divided against itself is the outcome of this referendum.

"

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By *wiftieeMan
over a year ago

near Glasgow


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Yes I am proud to vote NO.

This is the bit that even a few days on I can't quite comprehend, people are proud and actually celebrating that Scotland the nation we all love and are so proud of refused independence. Don't think there would be many nations on earth that don't rule themselves would reject the opportunity for self determination.

I would have considered my self a patriotic Scot and proud very proud of Scotland, I think that has changed forever.

Must admit it's not a nice feeling

"

I'm sorry, but you are making the same mistake that thousands of people are making. Some of us out here have heads as well as hearts.

Here's a wee twist for you; not all who voted No were actually voting against independence. Some, including myself, voted against the 'pie in the sky' stuff that the Yes campaign seemed to think were answers. The Yes campaign failed because they totally failed to answer peoples' questions.

Here's another wee twist for you; once the disappointment wears of amongst most of the Yes campaigners, maybe they'll see that they should be thanking the No people for saving them from independence.......as per AS/SNP.

The bottom line, imho, is that it was far far too important an issue to vote on solely with your heart. The No people voted with their heads, that's the big difference between the 2 sides.

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow

I think part of the division that will remain is down to Salmond and the SNP. By referring to the YES campaign as 'Team Scotland' they were basically implying that if you weren't on their side you weren't on the side of Scotland. I read in interesting article by David Sole, ex Scotland rugby captain, who said he was speaking out as he and others involved in the team at the time were pretty disgusted with the SNP hijacking this term.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sad, sad, sad

yes supporters finger pointing at no supporters.

No supporters finger pointing at yes supporters

All claiming they want the country to re-unite and not realising their own behaviour is maintaining a divide.

To quote Chas n Dave:

"Rabbit, rabbit, rabbit, rabbit"

Give it a rest please, finger pointing blame games from anyone wont solve anything.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I am happy with the decision, I am happy with my rationale for my vote

and I hold zero issues with people who voted differently from me.

I love being in a country where I can.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Yes I am proud to vote NO.

I'm sorry, but you are making the same mistake that thousands of people are making. Some of us out here have heads as well as hearts.

Here's a wee twist for you; not all who voted No were actually voting against independence. Some, including myself, voted against the 'pie in the sky' stuff that the Yes campaign seemed to think were answers. The Yes campaign failed because they totally failed to answer peoples' questions.

Here's another wee twist for you; once the disappointment wears of amongst most of the Yes campaigners, maybe they'll see that they should be thanking the No people for saving them from independence.......as per AS/SNP.

The bottom line, imho, is that it was far far too important an issue to vote on solely with your heart. The No people voted with their heads, that's the big difference between the 2 sides."

I don't see how I'm making any mistake, in saying how I feel after Thursday?

I find it hard to believe that 1.6 million people made a a huge decision only based on their heart as you put it.

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By *leasure domMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Self determination is both emotionally beneficial and entirely logical - no less for a nation than for an individual.

Millions of people around the world have given their lives to achieve this most basic of aspirations, yet my fellow countrymen bottled the opportunity to place a mark in the correct box.

Forgive them, for they know not what they do. and...

Forgive them, for they knew exactly what they were doing.

The majority have cast a veil of gloom upon our country and it is so terribly depressing. I hope you are all proud of yourselves.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"

The majority have cast a veil of gloom upon our country and it is so terribly depressing. I hope you are all proud of yourselves."

I am, thanks

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Self determination is both emotionally beneficial and entirely logical - no less for a nation than for an individual.

Millions of people around the world have given their lives to achieve this most basic of aspirations, yet my fellow countrymen bottled the opportunity to place a mark in the correct box.

Forgive them, for they know not what they do. and...

Forgive them, for they knew exactly what they were doing.

The majority have cast a veil of gloom upon our country and it is so terribly depressing. I hope you are all proud of yourselves."

I made a mark in the CORRECT box. It all depends on your _iew of what the correct box is. Yes I am proud with myself.

As for bottling, I did not, I did exactly what my head told me to do after looking at all the facts. The main one being a totally flawed whitepaper. Did you bother to read it or was it a case of lets just get independance we have all these resouces we shall be fine?

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"

The majority have cast a veil of gloom upon our country and it is so terribly depressing. I hope you are all proud of yourselves.

I am, thanks "

Am proud of you....

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"

I don't see how I'm making any mistake, in saying how I feel after Thursday?

I find it hard to believe that 1.6 million people made a a huge decision only based on their heart as you put it.

"

The economics of it were totally flawed. I know I keep on about it but if you dont get that worked out then there is NOTHING. The whole bully boy tatics of the SNP of we will get accepted into Europe, we will use a pound with a currency union, etc these were serious issues that folk over looked.

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"I am happy with the decision, I am happy with my rationale for my vote

and I hold zero issues with people who voted differently from me.

I love being in a country where I can. "

I love you man (in a non sexual way)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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The economics of it were totally flawed. I know I keep on about it but if you dont get that worked out then there is NOTHING. The whole bully boy tatics of the SNP of we will get accepted into Europe, we will use a pound with a currency union, etc these were serious issues that folk over looked. "

I respect your _iew/opinion and how you feel.

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By *ustcutieWoman
over a year ago

edinburgh


"Self determination is both emotionally beneficial and entirely logical - no less for a nation than for an individual.

Millions of people around the world have given their lives to achieve this most basic of aspirations, yet my fellow countrymen bottled the opportunity to place a mark in the correct box.

Forgive them, for they know not what they do. and...

Forgive them, for they knew exactly what they were doing.

The majority have cast a veil of gloom upon our country and it is so terribly depressing. I hope you are all proud of yourselves."

Seriously?? It amazes me how you believe your choice is the only right one... I made my choice for what I believe and yes I am proud of the fact

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By *ustcutieWoman
over a year ago

edinburgh


"I am happy with the decision, I am happy with my rationale for my vote

and I hold zero issues with people who voted differently from me.

I love being in a country where I can. "

This

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Self determination is both emotionally beneficial and entirely logical - no less for a nation than for an individual.

Millions of people around the world have given their lives to achieve this most basic of aspirations, yet my fellow countrymen bottled the opportunity to place a mark in the correct box.

Forgive them, for they know not what they do. and...

Forgive them, for they knew exactly what they were doing.

The majority have cast a veil of gloom upon our country and it is so terribly depressing. I hope you are all proud of yourselves.

Seriously?? It amazes me how you believe your choice is the only right one... I made my choice for what I believe and yes I am proud of the fact "

Can I ask what point your proud of in voting no?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Self determination is both emotionally beneficial and entirely logical - no less for a nation than for an individual.

Millions of people around the world have given their lives to achieve this most basic of aspirations, yet my fellow countrymen bottled the opportunity to place a mark in the correct box.

Forgive them, for they know not what they do. and...

Forgive them, for they knew exactly what they were doing.

The majority have cast a veil of gloom upon our country and it is so terribly depressing. I hope you are all proud of yourselves.

Seriously?? It amazes me how you believe your choice is the only right one... I made my choice for what I believe and yes I am proud of the fact "

Me too

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By *ustcutieWoman
over a year ago

edinburgh


"

Can I ask what point your proud of in voting no? "

I'm proud that I'm allowed to make up my own mind in choosing how to vote and not getting bullied into something that I truly don't believe would have worked at this moment in time.

I'm proud that regardless of what "some" people may think I am patriotic but I'm also wise enough to decide things for myself and not just believe the fairy tales.... And I mean from both sides

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Can I ask what point your proud of in voting no?

I'm proud that I'm allowed to make up my own mind in choosing how to vote and not getting bullied into something that I truly don't believe would have worked at this moment in time.

I'm proud that regardless of what "some" people may think I am patriotic but I'm also wise enough to decide things for myself and not just believe the fairy tales.... And I mean from both sides

Was just curious to hear what the other point of _iew was soo proud of.

It's good that you can still feel patriotic."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Can I ask what point your proud of in voting no?

I'm proud that I'm allowed to make up my own mind in choosing how to vote and not getting bullied into something that I truly don't believe would have worked at this moment in time.

I'm proud that regardless of what "some" people may think I am patriotic but I'm also wise enough to decide things for myself and not just believe the fairy tales.... And I mean from both sides

Was just curious to hear what the other point of _iew was soo proud of.

It's good that you can still feel patriotic."

How patronising. As others have said, the democratic system allows us ALL to vote as we see fit without the need to justify our beliefs or choices to anyone. I also feel very privileged to be able to do so. My own personal point of _iew is that whilst in principle I may agree with Independence for our country, I was not convinced by the YES campaign at this time. That was my choice. Any suggestion that by voting in the manner I did I am unpatriotic is insulting and untrue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Can I ask what point your proud of in voting no?

I'm proud that I'm allowed to make up my own mind in choosing how to vote and not getting bullied into something that I truly don't believe would have worked at this moment in time.

I'm proud that regardless of what "some" people may think I am patriotic but I'm also wise enough to decide things for myself and not just believe the fairy tales.... And I mean from both sides

Was just curious to hear what the other point of _iew was soo proud of.

It's good that you can still feel patriotic.

How patronising. As others have said, the democratic system allows us ALL to vote as we see fit without the need to justify our beliefs or choices to anyone. I also feel very privileged to be able to do so. My own personal point of _iew is that whilst in principle I may agree with Independence for our country, I was not convinced by the YES campaign at this time. That was my choice. Any suggestion that by voting in the manner I did I am unpatriotic is insulting and untrue."

Patronising???

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By *ustcutieWoman
over a year ago

edinburgh


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Patronising???"

Patronising : treating with apparent kindness which betrays a feeling of superiority

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Patronising???

Patronising : treating with apparent kindness which betrays a feeling of superiority "

Yes I do understand the what it means, but where was I being patronising?

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

People have voted, the decision has been made.

Inference that people are deluded in someway because they voted differently and were part of either the winning/non winning sides is so disengenuous.

We all voted for reasons that mean something to each of us. End of.

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"People have voted, the decision has been made.

Inference that people are deluded in someway because they voted differently and were part of either the winning/non winning sides is so disengenuous.

We all voted for reasons that mean something to each of us. End of.

"

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By *ustcutieWoman
over a year ago

edinburgh


"

Patronising???

Patronising : treating with apparent kindness which betrays a feeling of superiority

Yes I do understand the what it means, but where was I being patronising?"

You have made it perfectly clear how you feel about no voters on various threads so I think by saying your glad I can still feel patriotic kinda answers that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Patronising???

Patronising : treating with apparent kindness which betrays a feeling of superiority

Yes I do understand the what it means, but where was I being patronising?

You have made it perfectly clear how you feel about no voters on various threads so I think by saying your glad I can still feel patriotic kinda answers that "

Few messages ago I put a message saying how I personally felt after Thursday.

I am glad people can still feel patriotic. Not nice feeling the other way.

When I asked what people we're so proud of when voting no,that was because it's an alternative _iew to mine so wanted to hear the other side.

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By *ustcutieWoman
over a year ago

edinburgh

Well I hope you feel better soon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well I hope you feel better soon "

Was that the patronising definition in action lol.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I think some people may need support with coming to terms with the decision, there is no shame in asking for help.

good luck

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By *ustcutieWoman
over a year ago

edinburgh


"Well I hope you feel better soon

Was that the patronising definition in action lol.

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Nope or I would have used instead of

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge


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Patronising???

Patronising : treating with apparent kindness which betrays a feeling of superiority

Yes I do understand the what it means, but where was I being patronising?

You have made it perfectly clear how you feel about no voters on various threads so I think by saying your glad I can still feel patriotic kinda answers that

Few messages ago I put a message saying how I personally felt after Thursday.

I am glad people can still feel patriotic. Not nice feeling the other way.

When I asked what people we're so proud of when voting no,that was because it's an alternative _iew to mine so wanted to hear the other side. "
as the other side lol I am also patriotic im still scottish and I feel pleased that what I seen as a disaterous setup has been averted I also _iew my fellow scots the same as before they were able to see merit where I couldnt we are the same folk as last month when you were a proud scot no need to change that on a difference of opinion

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"

Patronising???

Patronising : treating with apparent kindness which betrays a feeling of superiority

Yes I do understand the what it means, but where was I being patronising?

You have made it perfectly clear how you feel about no voters on various threads so I think by saying your glad I can still feel patriotic kinda answers that

Few messages ago I put a message saying how I personally felt after Thursday.

I am glad people can still feel patriotic. Not nice feeling the other way.

When I asked what people we're so proud of when voting no,that was because it's an alternative _iew to mine so wanted to hear the other side. "

I can say am patriotic because I firmly believe I have helped save Scotland from going into an economic abysis that would be almost impossible to recover from due to a whitepaper that was flawed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well I hope you feel better soon

Was that the patronising definition in action lol.

"

Perhaps I could have left that word out...it's been an emotional few days for sure. I think about my dad's favourite saying though... "We're awe Jock Thamson's bairns". Its never been truer...just some of us said yes and some said no. I hope we ALL find peace.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" I can say am patriotic because I firmly believe I have helped save Scotland from going into an economic abysis that would be almost impossible to recover from due to a whitepaper that was flawed."

Don't think anybody said you wasn't or shouldn't feel patriotic? Well certainly nobody in the most recent parts of this forum has.

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Well I hope you feel better soon

Was that the patronising definition in action lol.

Perhaps I could have left that word out...it's been an emotional few days for sure. I think about my dad's favourite saying though... "We're awe Jock Thamson's bairns". Its never been truer...just some of us said yes and some said no. I hope we ALL find peace."

An some could not be bothered to vote which in my mind is worse than anything else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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An some could not be bothered to vote which in my mind is worse than anything else. "

It depends on the reason I would say, I work with a German guy who was eligible to vote and had an opinion but felt it was a decision for scots.

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By *exyducksCouple
over a year ago

west coast

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By *exyducksCouple
over a year ago

west coast

only one thing worse than getting a no win is your comments every 2 seconds in these forums


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Patronising???

Patronising : treating with apparent kindness which betrays a feeling of superiority

Yes I do understand the what it means, but where was I being patronising?

You have made it perfectly clear how you feel about no voters on various threads so I think by saying your glad I can still feel patriotic kinda answers that

Few messages ago I put a message saying how I personally felt after Thursday.

I am glad people can still feel patriotic. Not nice feeling the other way.

When I asked what people we're so proud of when voting no,that was because it's an alternative _iew to mine so wanted to hear the other side.

I can say am patriotic because I firmly believe I have helped save Scotland from going into an economic abysis that would be almost impossible to recover from due to a whitepaper that was flawed."

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By *w84TV/TS
over a year ago

NI

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By *w84TV/TS
over a year ago

NI

Scotland is facing an economic abyss by also staying in the union.

The current situation means the Scottish Government can do nothing more than move money around departments and dish out whatever is left as pocket money for development. It can only spend what it is given by Westminster.

In the next 20 years old age dependency will reach 48% in Scotland.

Scotland has a problem retaining it's own young people and attracting young productive immigrants because the economy is not developing in a way to do so.

Culturally and legally Scotland might be it's own country within the UK but economically it is no more than a region of the UK.

Scotland having no control over; tax powers, ability to encourage business by using incentives or the ability to make it's own international deals, means that there is a limit to what the current Scottish Government can do.

Smaller countries (or with smaller populations) can be more dynamic in carving out niches because there are less balls to juggle in relation to much larger countries. Denmark, Sweden and Estonia come to mind.

Sorry for my long boring rant, it's Saturday night and now wine is calling

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

bedforshire

Oh here we go again!

Wake up please and smell the wet wee vaginas!

Yes or no. Scots voted for the good of Scotland and our future.

You may not agree with the decision that the other made. But this was an act of 85%+ of the people showing that they care about all of us.

Not many nations on this planet can claim a collective act of true Patriotism like this.

Many many many wish they could.

It is this fact that we must all unite on. No more can anyone run rough shod over us in that case. Scotland yes and no expect and demand the future for a our country that was promised. And together we will get it!

Post script. We have also fired the starting gun on full scale change in the whole of the UK. The Westminster elite is crumbling before our eyes! That means all who voted have won!

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By *candiumWoman
over a year ago

oban


"Oh here we go again!

The Westminster elite is crumbling before our eyes! That means all who voted have won!"

I voted. I've not won if that happens

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Regroup & try again in five years when the liars at Westminster do not fulfill there hollow promises "

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Regroup & try again in five years when the liars at Westminster do not fulfill there hollow promises

"

Promise fulfilled.

Work has started on a £348m contract for three Royal Navy warships at BAE Systems' yards at Scotstoun and Govan on the River Clyde in Glasgow.

The offshore patrol vessels will be known as HMS Forth, HMS Medway and HMS Trent. The first will be ready by 2017.

They will be used to support counter-terrorism, counter-piracy and anti-smuggling operations in UK waters.

The vessels will be capable of global deployment, able to carry the latest Merlin helicopters and special troops.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-29569528

Type 26 to follow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Please let this thread die.

Thumbs up for the military industrial complex and thumbs up for crooked lying bastard politicians. Hoo ray.

Can the No's stop gloating and poking sticks at those of us who couldnt give a monkeys anymore?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It was the scaremongering and bias reporting prodomantley by the BBC that won the day for the union !

Quite sad really that the majority of over 55s voted no thanks and its no secret that Scotland has an ageing population

The youth voted for a new Scotland a fairer and just society , I believe from what I've seen that this is only the beginning and Scotland will be independant in my life time .

As for the union scotland is only relavent in the union to portray Britain as the super power it still thinks it is today , invading foreign countries for Coprate and private profit is the order of the day , every dog has its day and Britain certanilly has , as for Britain's future you've got fight wing fashicst rising in the name of ukip willing to pull out of Europe and isolate the UK in the world , Britain is essentially an american state ,

Scotland will get its independance !!!

The majority spoke , the old scared and vulnerable !!!

The youth represent the future , change and vision !!!

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By *r and Mrs SnogalotCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow


"The majority spoke , the old scared and vulnerable !!!"

What makes you think that the over 55 voters are "scared and vulnerable". Perhaps they were making considered decisions based on the information presented by both parties. God forbid that either side could have put their case forward based on fact not fantasy.

However, do you not think it is time to stop slagging off no voters?

Shy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The majority spoke , the old scared and vulnerable !!!

What makes you think that the over 55 voters are "scared and vulnerable". Perhaps they were making considered decisions based on the information presented by both parties. God forbid that either side could have put their case forward based on fact not fantasy.

However, do you not think it is time to stop slagging off no voters?

Shy "

No really because history will show it for what it was a poor week decision

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You've got a right wing fascist Britain to look forward to

Enjoy

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By *r and Mrs SnogalotCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

Only a poor weak decision in your opinion. There is nothing yet indicating that it is the wrong decision for Scotland

SNP had the ideal opportunity to make a valid case for independence and made a complete balls up if it. They lost the vote.

Shy

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

Get over it weak or strong decision scotland made it ......blame the old the young the wealthy the poor the torys labour the green party the illegal aliens spocks family azerbajanians the lizard overlords dosnt change the fact scotland returned its decision

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