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By *nny OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

ITVs Tom Bradby

" I have a confession this morning, which is that I am not enjoying covering the Scottish referendum. I should be. All journalists live for the chance to report on great events and they don’t come more momentous than the potential break-up of the UK

But pretty much all reporters I chatted to yesterday agreed that the level of abuse and even intimidation being meted out by some in the ‘Yes’ campaign was making this referendum a rather unpleasant experience.

And whilst I am sure both sides have been guilty, the truth - uncomfortable as it is to say it – is that most of the heckling and abuse does seem to be coming from the Nationalists."

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"ITVs Tom Bradby

" I have a confession this morning, which is that I am not enjoying covering the Scottish referendum. I should be. All journalists live for the chance to report on great events and they don’t come more momentous than the potential break-up of the UK

But pretty much all reporters I chatted to yesterday agreed that the level of abuse and even intimidation being meted out by some in the ‘Yes’ campaign was making this referendum a rather unpleasant experience.

And whilst I am sure both sides have been guilty, the truth - uncomfortable as it is to say it – is that most of the heckling and abuse does seem to be coming from the Nationalists.""

Oh and the ITV have not been accussed the along the lines of the BBC, is this a new conspiracy?

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By *nny OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Has Yes accused ITV of bias too?

It might be easier if we had a list of organisations Yes ISN'T accusing of bias.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The BBC are scummy though there was a video on Facebook 2days ago about an interview a news reporter had with the regional manager of whatever shops it is they say who's prices will rise on the telly it showed all the answers the guy had appear to be ba for Scottish independence BUT luckily the camera man recorded the real full interview on his phone & uploaded it & the man was clearly manipulated into answering questions in a ba way but his actual words were if Scotland does get it's independence NOTHING will change in store prices & just because they are saying they're will be a price change the guy said its actually more likely that prices would reduce from what they are now!!!

I'm not saying that the yes people don't talk shit about some things coz of course they do they're politicians & all of them are scum but i think the no campaign are worse & it's a yes from me "in spirit as I'm not actually voting"

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Has Yes accused ITV of bias too?

It might be easier if we had a list of organisations Yes ISN'T accusing of bias."

Well some professor in Wales did a study into the air time the yes MOB got....what next ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"ITVs Tom Bradby

" I have a confession this morning, which is that I am not enjoying covering the Scottish referendum. I should be. All journalists live for the chance to report on great events and they don’t come more momentous than the potential break-up of the UK

But pretty much all reporters I chatted to yesterday agreed that the level of abuse and even intimidation being meted out by some in the ‘Yes’ campaign was making this referendum a rather unpleasant experience.

And whilst I am sure both sides have been guilty, the truth - uncomfortable as it is to say it – is that most of the heckling and abuse does seem to be coming from the Nationalists.""

It's a heated and emotional time. Is there aggression? No, I don't think so. Not even close. I've seen some real aggression in the past, fights at counts in East Lothian for example where my mother was assaulted (always kicked off by Labour reps). Today I've heard 5 different aired news items, 4 on BBC and 1 on Sky, about No voters scared to put posters up incase they get their windows smashed. Has anyone had their windows smashed? No, of course they haven't. My neighbour has one, she still has glass - for now... Yes shop in Glasgow got burned out. Reported? Nope. Street artist got kicked it the pus in Edinburgh a few nights ago, reported? Well, yes actually but skewed 'man attacked at Yes concert' - leaving it open to interpretation. Jim Murphy egg loon was a disgruntled Labour voter (allegedly, though I still believe that was staged as no one was actually going to his soap box tour). This is a bit of shouty heated, spirited demonstration - from both sides - and to be fair most of it is courted to get the reaction you are describing.

People have been heckling politicians for ever. This is no different.

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow ish


"ITVs Tom Bradby

" I have a confession this morning, which is that I am not enjoying covering the Scottish referendum. I should be. All journalists live for the chance to report on great events and they don’t come more momentous than the potential break-up of the UK

But pretty much all reporters I chatted to yesterday agreed that the level of abuse and even intimidation being meted out by some in the ‘Yes’ campaign was making this referendum a rather unpleasant experience.

And whilst I am sure both sides have been guilty, the truth - uncomfortable as it is to say it – is that most of the heckling and abuse does seem to be coming from the Nationalists."

It's a heated and emotional time. Is there aggression? No, I don't think so. Not even close. I've seen some real aggression in the past, fights at counts in East Lothian for example where my mother was assaulted (always kicked off by Labour reps). Today I've heard 5 different aired news items, 4 on BBC and 1 on Sky, about No voters scared to put posters up incase they get their windows smashed. Has anyone had their windows smashed? No, of course they haven't. My neighbour has one, she still has glass - for now... Yes shop in Glasgow got burned out. Reported? Nope. Street artist got kicked it the pus in Edinburgh a few nights ago, reported? Well, yes actually but skewed 'man attacked at Yes concert' - leaving it open to interpretation. Jim Murphy egg loon was a disgruntled Labour voter (allegedly, though I still believe that was staged as no one was actually going to his soap box tour). This is a bit of shouty heated, spirited demonstration - from both sides - and to be fair most of it is courted to get the reaction you are describing.

People have been heckling politicians for ever. This is no different."

60 y.o. No leafleter punched in face and called a traitor to Scotland. Byres Road last week.

Both sides as bad as each other, but the mob has been unleashed. How will we put it back in bottle.

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By *nny OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Then there's the appalling behaviour of Yes supporters in the St James Centre in Edinburgh today.

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

bedforshire

Political violence is never acceptable what ever side your on. The passion of this campaign reflects the importance of it. Half my family are yes half no. When the vote is caste what ever the result Scotland will not survive if not United.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I personally saw today in my town a male no campaigner right in the face of a female yes campaigner ,I was totally disgusted both parties watched this without intervening I couldn't control myself & gave the guys of both campaigns a piece of my mind it's disgusting that anyone could watch as the woman got distressed arghh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"ITVs Tom Bradby

" I have a confession this morning, which is that I am not enjoying covering the Scottish referendum. I should be. All journalists live for the chance to report on great events and they don’t come more momentous than the potential break-up of the UK

But pretty much all reporters I chatted to yesterday agreed that the level of abuse and even intimidation being meted out by some in the ‘Yes’ campaign was making this referendum a rather unpleasant experience.

And whilst I am sure both sides have been guilty, the truth - uncomfortable as it is to say it – is that most of the heckling and abuse does seem to be coming from the Nationalists.""

thats your opinion which you are entitled too i think your wrong ,having read most posts on the referendum on here there is a handfull of no voters who constantly come away with vile comments against everyone from the yes side and you are one of them ,any march or rally i have seen supporting yes have been a party atmosphere .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Then there's the appalling behaviour of Yes supporters in the St James Centre in Edinburgh today."

See, now you're at it Onny, trying to get tempers raised, not rising to the bait however. Even the press, the BBC, said it was all good natured in Edinburgh and in fairness there were only a few Yes people there. He advertised he was going to be there, was then late and that caused the crowding. People saw the cameras and press and hang around to see what's going on. Meeting in a shopping centre was a stupid bloody place to meet people. That's crowd management 101.

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

bedforshire

Ok was I talking to the air??

I will say it once more. What ever the outcome on Thursday Scotland Must come together in unity or we will NOT survive.

This vote is for our future and more importantly for the future or our children and their children. If the legacy of it is Devision and disunity than the enemies Of Scotland have won a great victory.

and it will be we the Scottish people who have handed it to them on a silver platter!

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By *bi_scotlandTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow


"ITVs Tom Bradby

" I have a confession this morning, which is that I am not enjoying covering the Scottish referendum. I should be. All journalists live for the chance to report on great events and they don’t come more momentous than the potential break-up of the UK

But pretty much all reporters I chatted to yesterday agreed that the level of abuse and even intimidation being meted out by some in the ‘Yes’ campaign was making this referendum a rather unpleasant experience.

And whilst I am sure both sides have been guilty, the truth - uncomfortable as it is to say it – is that most of the heckling and abuse does seem to be coming from the Nationalists."

thats your opinion which you are entitled too i think your wrong ,having read most posts on the referendum on here there is a handfull of no voters who constantly come away with vile comments against everyone from the yes side and you are one of them ,any march or rally i have seen supporting yes have been a party atmosphere ."

That isn't his opinion, it's a quote from political reporter Tom Brady.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"ITVs Tom Bradby

" I have a confession this morning, which is that I am not enjoying covering the Scottish referendum. I should be. All journalists live for the chance to report on great events and they don’t come more momentous than the potential break-up of the UK

But pretty much all reporters I chatted to yesterday agreed that the level of abuse and even intimidation being meted out by some in the ‘Yes’ campaign was making this referendum a rather unpleasant experience.

And whilst I am sure both sides have been guilty, the truth - uncomfortable as it is to say it – is that most of the heckling and abuse does seem to be coming from the Nationalists."

thats your opinion which you are entitled too i think your wrong ,having read most posts on the referendum on here there is a handfull of no voters who constantly come away with vile comments against everyone from the yes side and you are one of them ,any march or rally i have seen supporting yes have been a party atmosphere .

That isn't his opinion, it's a quote from political reporter Tom Brady."

its his opinoin that most of the heckling and abuse has came from nationalist side,and also not all yes supporters are nationalits .

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i think the interesting thing is that at most of the yes events then have been seen on the tv..... there haven't been no supporters around...

whereas at most no events.... they have screamed down by yes supports and to the point where no events have been ambushed by yes supports (people can find examples of this on facebook and various other social media outlets...

it is now bordering on "intimidation"......

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow


"ITVs Tom Bradby

" I have a confession this morning, which is that I am not enjoying covering the Scottish referendum. I should be. All journalists live for the chance to report on great events and they don’t come more momentous than the potential break-up of the UK

But pretty much all reporters I chatted to yesterday agreed that the level of abuse and even intimidation being meted out by some in the ‘Yes’ campaign was making this referendum a rather unpleasant experience.

And whilst I am sure both sides have been guilty, the truth - uncomfortable as it is to say it – is that most of the heckling and abuse does seem to be coming from the Nationalists."

thats your opinion which you are entitled too i think your wrong ,having read most posts on the referendum on here there is a handfull of no voters who constantly come away with vile comments against everyone from the yes side and you are one of them ,any march or rally i have seen supporting yes have been a party atmosphere .

That isn't his opinion, it's a quote from political reporter Tom Brady.

its his opinoin that most of the heckling and abuse has came from nationalist side,and also not all yes supporters are nationalits ."

Well that's got me flummoxed.

people are voting yes,

for national independence,

yet they are not nationalist.

If anyone knows how that one works,

Could they please enlighten the rest of us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i think the interesting thing is that at most of the yes events then have been seen on the tv..... there haven't been no supporters around...

whereas at most no events.... they have screamed down by yes supports and to the point where no events have been ambushed by yes supports (people can find examples of this on facebook and various other social media outlets...

it is now bordering on "intimidation"...... "

got to disagree with u havent seen any intimidation at all at any events ive been at.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"ITVs Tom Bradby

" I have a confession this morning, which is that I am not enjoying covering the Scottish referendum. I should be. All journalists live for the chance to report on great events and they don’t come more momentous than the potential break-up of the UK

But pretty much all reporters I chatted to yesterday agreed that the level of abuse and even intimidation being meted out by some in the ‘Yes’ campaign was making this referendum a rather unpleasant experience.

And whilst I am sure both sides have been guilty, the truth - uncomfortable as it is to say it – is that most of the heckling and abuse does seem to be coming from the Nationalists."

thats your opinion which you are entitled too i think your wrong ,having read most posts on the referendum on here there is a handfull of no voters who constantly come away with vile comments against everyone from the yes side and you are one of them ,any march or rally i have seen supporting yes have been a party atmosphere .

That isn't his opinion, it's a quote from political reporter Tom Brady.

its his opinoin that most of the heckling and abuse has came from nationalist side,and also not all yes supporters are nationalits .

Well that's got me flummoxed.

people are voting yes,

for national independence,

yet they are not nationalist.

If anyone knows how that one works,

Could they please enlighten the rest of us.

"

The word nationalist is normally used as a reference to the SNP (im sure that most if not all understand this) however, the yes campaign has support from across the spectrum of party politics in Scotland.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"ITVs Tom Bradby

" I have a confession this morning, which is that I am not enjoying covering the Scottish referendum. I should be. All journalists live for the chance to report on great events and they don’t come more momentous than the potential break-up of the UK

But pretty much all reporters I chatted to yesterday agreed that the level of abuse and even intimidation being meted out by some in the ‘Yes’ campaign was making this referendum a rather unpleasant experience.

And whilst I am sure both sides have been guilty, the truth - uncomfortable as it is to say it – is that most of the heckling and abuse does seem to be coming from the Nationalists."

thats your opinion which you are entitled too i think your wrong ,having read most posts on the referendum on here there is a handfull of no voters who constantly come away with vile comments against everyone from the yes side and you are one of them ,any march or rally i have seen supporting yes have been a party atmosphere .

That isn't his opinion, it's a quote from political reporter Tom Brady.

its his opinoin that most of the heckling and abuse has came from nationalist side,and also not all yes supporters are nationalits .

Well that's got me flummoxed.

people are voting yes,

for national independence,

yet they are not nationalist.

If anyone knows how that one works,

Could they please enlighten the rest of us.

"

he was saying nationalist as in snp ,im saying not all yes voters support snp.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i think the interesting thing is that at most of the yes events then have been seen on the tv..... there haven't been no supporters around...

whereas at most no events.... they have screamed down by yes supports and to the point where no events have been ambushed by yes supports (people can find examples of this on facebook and various other social media outlets...

it is now bordering on "intimidation"...... "

there are people on both sides guilty of this behaviour.

Personally i would think this story exemplifies this.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-28989953

Then there is the opinion of Abdel Bari Atwan on dateline London last weekend, where he described the interventions by Downing St to supermarkets etc,asking/encouraging them to speak out against independance, as being intimidation.

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By *cottishsexgoddessWoman
over a year ago

Glenrothes


"ITVs Tom Bradby

" I have a confession this morning, which is that I am not enjoying covering the Scottish referendum. I should be. All journalists live for the chance to report on great events and they don’t come more momentous than the potential break-up of the UK

But pretty much all reporters I chatted to yesterday agreed that the level of abuse and even intimidation being meted out by some in the ‘Yes’ campaign was making this referendum a rather unpleasant experience.

And whilst I am sure both sides have been guilty, the truth - uncomfortable as it is to say it – is that most of the heckling and abuse does seem to be coming from the Nationalists."

thats your opinion which you are entitled too i think your wrong ,having read most posts on the referendum on here there is a handfull of no voters who constantly come away with vile comments against everyone from the yes side and you are one of them ,any march or rally i have seen supporting yes have been a party atmosphere .

That isn't his opinion, it's a quote from political reporter Tom Brady.

its his opinoin that most of the heckling and abuse has came from nationalist side,and also not all yes supporters are nationalits .

Well that's got me flummoxed.

people are voting yes,

for national independence,

yet they are not nationalist.

If anyone knows how that one works,

Could they please enlighten the rest of us.

he was saying nationalist as in snp ,im saying not all yes voters support snp."

I've been saying this for weeks. I fall into this category.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The NUJ have had two reports from Journalists regarding intimidation, they are both reporting from a yes point of view and have been threatened by no voters, believe what the Media tell you or believe the facts

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow


"ITVs Tom Bradby

" I have a confession this morning, which is that I am not enjoying covering the Scottish referendum. I should be. All journalists live for the chance to report on great events and they don’t come more momentous than the potential break-up of the UK

But pretty much all reporters I chatted to yesterday agreed that the level of abuse and even intimidation being meted out by some in the ‘Yes’ campaign was making this referendum a rather unpleasant experience.

And whilst I am sure both sides have been guilty, the truth - uncomfortable as it is to say it – is that most of the heckling and abuse does seem to be coming from the Nationalists."

thats your opinion which you are entitled too i think your wrong ,having read most posts on the referendum on here there is a handfull of no voters who constantly come away with vile comments against everyone from the yes side and you are one of them ,any march or rally i have seen supporting yes have been a party atmosphere .

That isn't his opinion, it's a quote from political reporter Tom Brady.

its his opinoin that most of the heckling and abuse has came from nationalist side,and also not all yes supporters are nationalits .

Well that's got me flummoxed.

people are voting yes,

for national independence,

yet they are not nationalist.

If anyone knows how that one works,

Could they please enlighten the rest of us.

The word nationalist is normally used as a reference to the SNP (im sure that most if not all understand this) however, the yes campaign has support from across the spectrum of party politics in Scotland."

Although not in this instance,

In fact,not at any time throughout this campaign.

I'm sure even the most fervent SNP supporter would concede,they do not hold the monopoly in nationalism.

(im sure most,if not all,would understand this)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"ITVs Tom Bradby

" I have a confession this morning, which is that I am not enjoying covering the Scottish referendum. I should be. All journalists live for the chance to report on great events and they don’t come more momentous than the potential break-up of the UK

But pretty much all reporters I chatted to yesterday agreed that the level of abuse and even intimidation being meted out by some in the ‘Yes’ campaign was making this referendum a rather unpleasant experience.

And whilst I am sure both sides have been guilty, the truth - uncomfortable as it is to say it – is that most of the heckling and abuse does seem to be coming from the Nationalists."

thats your opinion which you are entitled too i think your wrong ,having read most posts on the referendum on here there is a handfull of no voters who constantly come away with vile comments against everyone from the yes side and you are one of them ,any march or rally i have seen supporting yes have been a party atmosphere .

That isn't his opinion, it's a quote from political reporter Tom Brady.

its his opinoin that most of the heckling and abuse has came from nationalist side,and also not all yes supporters are nationalits .

Well that's got me flummoxed.

people are voting yes,

for national independence,

yet they are not nationalist.

If anyone knows how that one works,

Could they please enlighten the rest of us.

The word nationalist is normally used as a reference to the SNP (im sure that most if not all understand this) however, the yes campaign has support from across the spectrum of party politics in Scotland.

Although not in this instance,

In fact,not at any time throughout this campaign.

I'm sure even the most fervent SNP supporter would concede,they do not hold the monopoly in nationalism.

(im sure most,if not all,would understand this)

"

Not in this campaign the media has been littered with examples of the SNP being referred to as "the nationalists" and you only need to read through the numerous threads on here to see examples of the same thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know when I politely said no thanks to a no campaign leaflet in Glasgow city centre the person holding them turned to his friend and loudly said another Fenian bastard trying to break up Britain even if it's true I was shocked at the behaviour

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I know when I politely said no thanks to a no campaign leaflet in Glasgow city centre the person holding them turned to his friend and loudly said another Fenian bastard trying to break up Britain even if it's true I was shocked at the behaviour"

I experienced the same thing about a gortnight ago, young guy early 20's black hair about 5'10, wonder if its the same person.

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By *horstrollMan
over a year ago

Caprona


"I know when I politely said no thanks to a no campaign leaflet in Glasgow city centre the person holding them turned to his friend and loudly said another Fenian bastard trying to break up Britain even if it's true I was shocked at the behaviour"

Scottish Politics seems to be lacking decorum

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This purported success in devolution with a little power makes me excited about what we can deliver as a nation with full power.

26 billion in Scotlands contribution into the UK 16 billion and some change back.

No brainer

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By *nny OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"ITVs Tom Bradby

" I have a confession this morning, which is that I am not enjoying covering the Scottish referendum. I should be. All journalists live for the chance to report on great events and they don’t come more momentous than the potential break-up of the UK

But pretty much all reporters I chatted to yesterday agreed that the level of abuse and even intimidation being meted out by some in the ‘Yes’ campaign was making this referendum a rather unpleasant experience.

And whilst I am sure both sides have been guilty, the truth - uncomfortable as it is to say it – is that most of the heckling and abuse does seem to be coming from the Nationalists."

thats your opinion which you are entitled too i think your wrong ,having read most posts on the referendum on here there is a handfull of no voters who constantly come away with vile comments against everyone from the yes side and you are one of them ,any march or rally i have seen supporting yes have been a party atmosphere ."

It's not MY opinion. It's the opinion of Tom Bradby.

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By *nny OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Then there's the appalling behaviour of Yes supporters in the St James Centre in Edinburgh today.

See, now you're at it Onny, trying to get tempers raised, not rising to the bait however. Even the press, the BBC, said it was all good natured in Edinburgh and in fairness there were only a few Yes people there. He advertised he was going to be there, was then late and that caused the crowding. People saw the cameras and press and hang around to see what's going on. Meeting in a shopping centre was a stupid bloody place to meet people. That's crowd management 101."

Check the tv news footage. It'll probably be online by now.

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow


"ITVs Tom Bradby

" I have a confession this morning, which is that I am not enjoying covering the Scottish referendum. I should be. All journalists live for the chance to report on great events and they don’t come more momentous than the potential break-up of the UK

But pretty much all reporters I chatted to yesterday agreed that the level of abuse and even intimidation being meted out by some in the ‘Yes’ campaign was making this referendum a rather unpleasant experience.

And whilst I am sure both sides have been guilty, the truth - uncomfortable as it is to say it – is that most of the heckling and abuse does seem to be coming from the Nationalists."

thats your opinion which you are entitled too i think your wrong ,having read most posts on the referendum on here there is a handfull of no voters who constantly come away with vile comments against everyone from the yes side and you are one of them ,any march or rally i have seen supporting yes have been a party atmosphere .

That isn't his opinion, it's a quote from political reporter Tom Brady.

its his opinoin that most of the heckling and abuse has came from nationalist side,and also not all yes supporters are nationalits .

Well that's got me flummoxed.

people are voting yes,

for national independence,

yet they are not nationalist.

If anyone knows how that one works,

Could they please enlighten the rest of us.

The word nationalist is normally used as a reference to the SNP (im sure that most if not all understand this) however, the yes campaign has support from across the spectrum of party politics in Scotland.

Although not in this instance,

In fact,not at any time throughout this campaign.

I'm sure even the most fervent SNP supporter would concede,they do not hold the monopoly in nationalism.

(im sure most,if not all,would understand this)

Not in this campaign the media has been littered with examples of the SNP being referred to as "the nationalists" and you only need to read through the numerous threads on here to see examples of the same thing.

"

Yep can't argue with that one,

the SNP are nationalits

I'm also pretty sure anyone voting yes,is also considered to be a nationalist.(no affiliation with SNP required)

Although your now saying the word nationalist can now only be used,

when referring to a supporter of the SNP.

What do we now call,all the other people who are voting yes,

and until very very very recently,thought they were nationalist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"ITVs Tom Bradby

" I have a confession this morning, which is that I am not enjoying covering the Scottish referendum. I should be. All journalists live for the chance to report on great events and they don’t come more momentous than the potential break-up of the UK

But pretty much all reporters I chatted to yesterday agreed that the level of abuse and even intimidation being meted out by some in the ‘Yes’ campaign was making this referendum a rather unpleasant experience.

And whilst I am sure both sides have been guilty, the truth - uncomfortable as it is to say it – is that most of the heckling and abuse does seem to be coming from the Nationalists."

thats your opinion which you are entitled too i think your wrong ,having read most posts on the referendum on here there is a handfull of no voters who constantly come away with vile comments against everyone from the yes side and you are one of them ,any march or rally i have seen supporting yes have been a party atmosphere .

That isn't his opinion, it's a quote from political reporter Tom Brady.

its his opinoin that most of the heckling and abuse has came from nationalist side,and also not all yes supporters are nationalits .

Well that's got me flummoxed.

people are voting yes,

for national independence,

yet they are not nationalist.

If anyone knows how that one works,

Could they please enlighten the rest of us.

The word nationalist is normally used as a reference to the SNP (im sure that most if not all understand this) however, the yes campaign has support from across the spectrum of party politics in Scotland.

Although not in this instance,

In fact,not at any time throughout this campaign.

I'm sure even the most fervent SNP supporter would concede,they do not hold the monopoly in nationalism.

(im sure most,if not all,would understand this)

Not in this campaign the media has been littered with examples of the SNP being referred to as "the nationalists" and you only need to read through the numerous threads on here to see examples of the same thing.

Yep can't argue with that one,

the SNP are nationalits

I'm also pretty sure anyone voting yes,is also considered to be a nationalist.(no affiliation with SNP required)

Although your now saying the word nationalist can now only be used,

when referring to a supporter of the SNP.

What do we now call,all the other people who are voting yes,

and until very very very recently,thought they were nationalist.

"

Onny you know as well i do that there are a lot of supporters of labour, conservative, liberal, green and other parties who are not nationalists but see independence as a means to an end.

As i said previously the term "nationalist" is normally used as a reference to those who support the SNP.

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By *nny OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"ITVs Tom Bradby

" I have a confession this morning, which is that I am not enjoying covering the Scottish referendum. I should be. All journalists live for the chance to report on great events and they don’t come more momentous than the potential break-up of the UK

But pretty much all reporters I chatted to yesterday agreed that the level of abuse and even intimidation being meted out by some in the ‘Yes’ campaign was making this referendum a rather unpleasant experience.

And whilst I am sure both sides have been guilty, the truth - uncomfortable as it is to say it – is that most of the heckling and abuse does seem to be coming from the Nationalists."

thats your opinion which you are entitled too i think your wrong ,having read most posts on the referendum on here there is a handfull of no voters who constantly come away with vile comments against everyone from the yes side and you are one of them ,any march or rally i have seen supporting yes have been a party atmosphere .

That isn't his opinion, it's a quote from political reporter Tom Brady.

its his opinoin that most of the heckling and abuse has came from nationalist side,and also not all yes supporters are nationalits .

Well that's got me flummoxed.

people are voting yes,

for national independence,

yet they are not nationalist.

If anyone knows how that one works,

Could they please enlighten the rest of us.

The word nationalist is normally used as a reference to the SNP (im sure that most if not all understand this) however, the yes campaign has support from across the spectrum of party politics in Scotland.

Although not in this instance,

In fact,not at any time throughout this campaign.

I'm sure even the most fervent SNP supporter would concede,they do not hold the monopoly in nationalism.

(im sure most,if not all,would understand this)

Not in this campaign the media has been littered with examples of the SNP being referred to as "the nationalists" and you only need to read through the numerous threads on here to see examples of the same thing.

Yep can't argue with that one,

the SNP are nationalits

I'm also pretty sure anyone voting yes,is also considered to be a nationalist.(no affiliation with SNP required)

Although your now saying the word nationalist can now only be used,

when referring to a supporter of the SNP.

What do we now call,all the other people who are voting yes,

and until very very very recently,thought they were nationalist.

Onny you know as well i do that there are a lot of supporters of labour, conservative, liberal, green and other parties who are not nationalists but see independence as a means to an end.

As i said previously the term "nationalist" is normally used as a reference to those who support the SNP."

Your obsession with my comments is very flattering. I hope you find them educational but I don't believe I've mentioned 'nationalist' anywhere on this thread (except here).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"ITVs Tom Bradby

" I have a confession this morning, which is that I am not enjoying covering the Scottish referendum. I should be. All journalists live for the chance to report on great events and they don’t come more momentous than the potential break-up of the UK

But pretty much all reporters I chatted to yesterday agreed that the level of abuse and even intimidation being meted out by some in the ‘Yes’ campaign was making this referendum a rather unpleasant experience.

And whilst I am sure both sides have been guilty, the truth - uncomfortable as it is to say it – is that most of the heckling and abuse does seem to be coming from the Nationalists."

thats your opinion which you are entitled too i think your wrong ,having read most posts on the referendum on here there is a handfull of no voters who constantly come away with vile comments against everyone from the yes side and you are one of them ,any march or rally i have seen supporting yes have been a party atmosphere .

That isn't his opinion, it's a quote from political reporter Tom Brady.

its his opinoin that most of the heckling and abuse has came from nationalist side,and also not all yes supporters are nationalits .

Well that's got me flummoxed.

people are voting yes,

for national independence,

yet they are not nationalist.

If anyone knows how that one works,

Could they please enlighten the rest of us.

The word nationalist is normally used as a reference to the SNP (im sure that most if not all understand this) however, the yes campaign has support from across the spectrum of party politics in Scotland.

Although not in this instance,

In fact,not at any time throughout this campaign.

I'm sure even the most fervent SNP supporter would concede,they do not hold the monopoly in nationalism.

(im sure most,if not all,would understand this)

Not in this campaign the media has been littered with examples of the SNP being referred to as "the nationalists" and you only need to read through the numerous threads on here to see examples of the same thing.

Yep can't argue with that one,

the SNP are nationalits

I'm also pretty sure anyone voting yes,is also considered to be a nationalist.(no affiliation with SNP required)

Although your now saying the word nationalist can now only be used,

when referring to a supporter of the SNP.

What do we now call,all the other people who are voting yes,

and until very very very recently,thought they were nationalist.

Onny you know as well i do that there are a lot of supporters of labour, conservative, liberal, green and other parties who are not nationalists but see independence as a means to an end.

As i said previously the term "nationalist" is normally used as a reference to those who support the SNP.

Your obsession with my comments is very flattering. I hope you find them educational but I don't believe I've mentioned 'nationalist' anywhere on this thread (except here).

"

oh i love that _nny, except that you chose to respond to my post and i in turn returned the compliment of engaging in discussion.

however i see that you are employing your usual tactic of trying to divert away from the subject, so lets see if you are willing to answer a direct question:

If all yes supporters are nationalists, does this represent an epidemic of labour supporters jumping ship ?

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By *nny OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Where did I (or anyone) say "all yes supporters are nationalists" ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where did I (or anyone) say "all yes supporters are nationalists" ?"

allow me to quote your previous post in this thread:

"I'm also pretty sure anyone voting yes,is also considered to be a nationalist.(no affiliation with SNP required)"

Or do you wish to retract this

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By *nny OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Where did I (or anyone) say "all yes supporters are nationalists" ?

allow me to quote your previous post in this thread:

"I'm also pretty sure anyone voting yes,is also considered to be a nationalist.(no affiliation with SNP required)"

Or do you wish to retract this "

That wasn't me. Looks like it was _aucy3.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where did I (or anyone) say "all yes supporters are nationalists" ?

allow me to quote your previous post in this thread:

"I'm also pretty sure anyone voting yes,is also considered to be a nationalist.(no affiliation with SNP required)"

Or do you wish to retract this

That wasn't me. Looks like it was _aucy3."

my mistake, however it does answer your question as to where anyone said all yes supporters are nationalists.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Then there's the appalling behaviour of Yes supporters in the St James Centre in Edinburgh today.

See, now you're at it Onny, trying to get tempers raised, not rising to the bait however. Even the press, the BBC, said it was all good natured in Edinburgh and in fairness there were only a few Yes people there. He advertised he was going to be there, was then late and that caused the crowding. People saw the cameras and press and hang around to see what's going on. Meeting in a shopping centre was a stupid bloody place to meet people. That's crowd management 101."

I was there... It definitely wasn't 'good natured' from the yes crowd... They're all as bad as each other though and I agree, definitely a stupid place to go!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Somebody get some nuts in will you!!! I think I've just invited the English up on Friday night for wine and cheesy nibbles....

Well....they've had a lot to put up with!

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By *issyForDommeTV/TS
over a year ago

glasgow

For the people complaining about UK news channels being biased in their reporting, and the ones who rubbish those claims...have any of you watched news coverage from overseas stations? There is a stark contrast between theirs and our coverage. For example you'll see the difference if you watch reports on Al Jazeera and Russia Today (their western versions).

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"For the people complaining about UK news channels being biased in their reporting, and the ones who rubbish those claims...have any of you watched news coverage from overseas stations? There is a stark contrast between theirs and our coverage. For example you'll see the difference if you watch reports on Al Jazeera and Russia Today (their western versions)."

FFS Al Jazeera and Russia Today....yeah two of the best TV broadcasters in the world who are totally impartial to everything. Oh was it not a RT broadcaster who walked off set because of the reporting of the Ukraine issues?

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Where did I (or anyone) say "all yes supporters are nationalists" ?

allow me to quote your previous post in this thread:

"I'm also pretty sure anyone voting yes,is also considered to be a nationalist.(no affiliation with SNP required)"

Or do you wish to retract this "

I would like to see these posts where us NO voters are calling YES supports nationalists.

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By *issyForDommeTV/TS
over a year ago

glasgow


"For the people complaining about UK news channels being biased in their reporting, and the ones who rubbish those claims...have any of you watched news coverage from overseas stations? There is a stark contrast between theirs and our coverage. For example you'll see the difference if you watch reports on Al Jazeera and Russia Today (their western versions).

FFS Al Jazeera and Russia Today....yeah two of the best TV broadcasters in the world who are totally impartial to everything. Oh was it not a RT broadcaster who walked off set because of the reporting of the Ukraine issues?

"

Well if you want a different perspective from what the UK broadcasters are putting out then give them a watch, I've seen your posts and know you're mind is made up-as is mine, I'm not here to try and change anyones minds...just making a point.

As for someone walking off sometime, i don't know.

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow ish


"For the people complaining about UK news channels being biased in their reporting, and the ones who rubbish those claims...have any of you watched news coverage from overseas stations? There is a stark contrast between theirs and our coverage. For example you'll see the difference if you watch reports on Al Jazeera and Russia Today (their western versions).

FFS Al Jazeera and Russia Today....yeah two of the best TV broadcasters in the world who are totally impartial to everything. Oh was it not a RT broadcaster who walked off set because of the reporting of the Ukraine issues?

Well if you want a different perspective from what the UK broadcasters are putting out then give them a watch, I've seen your posts and know you're mind is made up-as is mine, I'm not here to try and change anyones minds...just making a point.

As for someone walking off sometime, i don't know."

Had CNN on last night, good 10 minutes on the referendum.

They finished with..

Alan Greenspan warned that the SNP’s economic plans were so implausible they really should be dismissed out of hand.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Greenspan that was at the helm of the Federal reserve up until a few months of the subprime collapse in the USA you mean?

He knew what was coming and got out of Dodge before the proverbial hit the fan.

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"For the people complaining about UK news channels being biased in their reporting, and the ones who rubbish those claims...have any of you watched news coverage from overseas stations? There is a stark contrast between theirs and our coverage. For example you'll see the difference if you watch reports on Al Jazeera and Russia Today (their western versions).

FFS Al Jazeera and Russia Today....yeah two of the best TV broadcasters in the world who are totally impartial to everything. Oh was it not a RT broadcaster who walked off set because of the reporting of the Ukraine issues?

Well if you want a different perspective from what the UK broadcasters are putting out then give them a watch, I've seen your posts and know you're mind is made up-as is mine, I'm not here to try and change anyones minds...just making a point.

As for someone walking off sometime, i don't know."

I was just pulling you up for the two TV broadcasters you picked. I would pull anyone up who used them but more so Russia Today. I would suggest that you have a look into them and what they do. Enjoy voting...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"ITVs Tom Bradby

" I have a confession this morning, which is that I am not enjoying covering the Scottish referendum. I should be. All journalists live for the chance to report on great events and they don’t come more momentous than the potential break-up of the UK

But pretty much all reporters I chatted to yesterday agreed that the level of abuse and even intimidation being meted out by some in the ‘Yes’ campaign was making this referendum a rather unpleasant experience.

And whilst I am sure both sides have been guilty, the truth - uncomfortable as it is to say it – is that most of the heckling and abuse does seem to be coming from the Nationalists.""

says who?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

here's me thinking all the bullying was coming from Westminster.

Death threats to alex salmond

biased reporting from the bbc and national newspapers,lies,lies n more lies.

no yes voters I know behave like that.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

You want to know where the bullyings coming from thats easy it comes from those who cant accept that others have diffrent views and are so full of zeal and nonsense facts have your vote but ffs shut up and let others have theirs

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By *issyForDommeTV/TS
over a year ago

glasgow


"For the people complaining about UK news channels being biased in their reporting, and the ones who rubbish those claims...have any of you watched news coverage from overseas stations? There is a stark contrast between theirs and our coverage. For example you'll see the difference if you watch reports on Al Jazeera and Russia Today (their western versions).

FFS Al Jazeera and Russia Today....yeah two of the best TV broadcasters in the world who are totally impartial to everything. Oh was it not a RT broadcaster who walked off set because of the reporting of the Ukraine issues?

Well if you want a different perspective from what the UK broadcasters are putting out then give them a watch, I've seen your posts and know you're mind is made up-as is mine, I'm not here to try and change anyones minds...just making a point.

As for someone walking off sometime, i don't know.

I was just pulling you up for the two TV broadcasters you picked. I would pull anyone up who used them but more so Russia Today. I would suggest that you have a look into them and what they do. Enjoy voting..."

Well other than bbc and sky they're the only other news channels that are on freeview, i used to watch the American abc news on bbc and cbs on sky-but those programmes are on through the night and as i work nightshift I've not been able to watch them for some time. You might not like the channels but as they're the western versions of them with British and American anchors and journalists that aren't under any alleged pressure from bosses or Westminster you'll find the reporting different, even and fair minded compared to most UK media print and tv.

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow


"Where did I (or anyone) say "all yes supporters are nationalists" ?

allow me to quote your previous post in this thread:

"I'm also pretty sure anyone voting yes,is also considered to be a nationalist.(no affiliation with SNP required)"

Or do you wish to retract this

That wasn't me. Looks like it was _aucy3.

my mistake, however it does answer your question as to where anyone said all yes supporters are nationalists."

Nationalist-A person who advocates(supports or promotes) political independence for a country.

It's a bit scary,this is likely to be,the most important decision the Scottish people will ever have to make,

and some don't even know what all the words mean.

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By *eonardo Da VinciMan
over a year ago

manchester

Lets face the ugly truth! At least of third Scots are anti-anglo! Its no justification for independence however. Hatred begets hatred! Should a yes vote get through, the Uk will play hard ball big time! The Rest of the UK will then be our competitors! Its not good news for anyone but Scotland will be not flourish!

i fear that the divisions have ran too deep. Its like the Clan wars all over again! Its very sad.

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow


"ITVs Tom Bradby

" I have a confession this morning, which is that I am not enjoying covering the Scottish referendum. I should be. All journalists live for the chance to report on great events and they don’t come more momentous than the potential break-up of the UK

But pretty much all reporters I chatted to yesterday agreed that the level of abuse and even intimidation being meted out by some in the ‘Yes’ campaign was making this referendum a rather unpleasant experience.

And whilst I am sure both sides have been guilty, the truth - uncomfortable as it is to say it – is that most of the heckling and abuse does seem to be coming from the Nationalists."

says who?"

ITV's Tom Brady. It tells you at the top of the post.

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

bedforshire

By definition a desire for national independence is a nationalist opinion. That is not to say that a person expressing this view carries all the other baggage of nationalism such as xenophobia and chovinism.

I am an internationalist and in a modern interdependent world can not see the point of nationalism. Take the nukes if we throw them out they go to the north of England if the uk get in a war than these nukes get bombed the radiation will spread north of the boarder. We will have had no say in preventing the war that caused it. National identity and nationalism are different things. The world is no longer an isolationist thing it is global and interdependent thing. internationalism recognises our mutual not individual value.

Scotlands rightful place is fully engaged in that mutuality. That is why yes is the wrong answer. The real question is how do we increase our say at the collective table.

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