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By *mudg3r OP   Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Scotland has a parliamentary election in 2016. If SNP do not have an overall majority, they cannot implement ANY of the welfare issues being spoken about to influence our vote. So independence does not necessarily imply any of these in even the immediate term far less in the long term when no party can make pledges for a country 30 yrs say down the line.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

Of course they can its the way of politics promise anything........deliver nothing

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Of course they can its the way of politics promise anything........deliver nothing"

interesting question. basically all they have promised goes out the window and the other party does what they want to do. what is that...no one knows...oh more doubt..

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east

Well if scotland wins its independence on thursday at least the party elected in 2016 will be the party scotland elects based on their manifesto ..... it will be interesting to see how many scottish politicians (who fight for the no camp as they do not believe scotland can thrive on its own ) will stand for election in an independant scotland promising us the earth that today they say cant be delivered

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By *mudg3r OP   Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"Well if scotland wins its independence on thursday at least the party elected in 2016 will be the party scotland elects based on their manifesto ..... it will be interesting to see how many scottish politicians (who fight for the no camp as they do not believe scotland can thrive on its own ) will stand for election in an independant scotland promising us the earth that today they say cant be delivered "

It certainly will be interesting to see which MPs decide to stand as MSPs. Notwithstanding that, though, my only point is that these (admirable) goals are one party's policies and will not necessarily happen via a yes vote.

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By *wiftieeMan
over a year ago

near Glasgow

Wakey, wakey!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It will be interesting to see which MP's step up and at least try and deliver either way. Im a cynic at best with the camp because of broken promises in the past.

There seems to be an agenda of "which ever way the vote goes it will be team Scotland" I personally think that a coalition in Scotland is the most likely outcome in 2016 with Patrick Harvey heading it, the only sensible person I've heard from a political perspective.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i think this is a really interesting point. Maybe not for a swingers site but im going to put my tuppence in anyway because i am bored!

Will the electorate feel that the SNP is redundant because they have fulfilled their raison de etre? or will they back them as the government that delivered independence?

Will Labour throw off their internal difference's and move back to their core values?

Will the Tories accept the result or will they stay the unionist party? will they be able to re-build a power base in Scotland having their own brand of conservatisim better suited to Scotland?

Will the libdems be able to get rid of the image that they sold their soul by jumping into bed with the Tories?

I think, initially, the Greens will be huge beneficiaries and do very well. It is going to be very interesting...but for now i am going back to perving pictures and then off to work

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By *owayjose8Man
over a year ago

dundee

Doesn't matter what party wins in 2016 as a team of cross party mps and other people in the know will be doing the deals for Scotland before hand and after irrelevant of who wins 2016.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Doesn't matter what party wins in 2016 as a team of cross party mps and other people in the know will be doing the deals for Scotland before hand and after irrelevant of who wins 2016."

Do you have Jim Hensons hand up your arse ? Cause you sound like a muppet

if any party win an overall majority at the Holyrood elections in 2016 they will govern according to their manifesto it would not be a cross party team.

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By *owayjose8Man
over a year ago

dundee

See if you had a brain you would have learnt by now that is not the way it works if it did how can we say move your nuclear weapons for our land not knowing what 2016 party we would have never mind there manifest.you bumb arse

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"See if you had a brain you would have learnt by now that is not the way it works if it did how can we say move your nuclear weapons for our land not knowing what 2016 party we would have never mind there manifest.you bumb arse "

well thank you very much for identifying and pointing out my cerebral deficiencies.

I am pretty sure that is the way government works.

a party gets elected, they govern according to their manifesto/policies for the period of their incumbancy.

if they win the next election they carry on governing in the same manner, however if a different party get elected they tend to have a manifesto/policies of their own which they will govern by.

Therefore your claim above that it is irrelevant who wins in 2016 is quite frankly a pile of pish.

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By *mudg3r OP   Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Best not resort to insults, I'd have thought. The nuclear arms issue, it seems to me, is the same as the others. My understanding is that it is an SNP policy. If they are not elected, we might be keeping them depending on the party in power.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

Could be wrong but im sure that in the event independance is voted in that the uk will be moving their fleet out of scotland timetable was already discussed and to be fair would you want your fleet berthed within a forign powers waters not to mention state of the art systems

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Best not resort to insults, I'd have thought. The nuclear arms issue, it seems to me, is the same as the others. My understanding is that it is an SNP policy. If they are not elected, we might be keeping them depending on the party in power. "

smudger, those weren't insults, that was us being nice to each other

on the nuclear issue i agree in terms of party politics, but if being a nuclear free nation is enshrined in a constitution it would make it very difficult to reverse.

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By *0JOMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

The decision in the refurendum IMO is simple. You either want to be part of Britain or be an independent country. Nobody is going to die because we voted yes or no.

We cannot rely on what any party says in the independance debate.

At least, if you vote yes, you can hold "your!" government to account for their failings and success. And have influence on policy.

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By *mudg3r OP   Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"Could be wrong but im sure that in the event independance is voted in that the uk will be moving their fleet out of scotland timetable was already discussed and to be fair would you want your fleet berthed within a forign powers waters not to mention state of the art systems"

You could well be right on this issue. I'll leave it aside and stick to the other areas which depend upon party politics.

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By *mudg3r OP   Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

The thread is clearly dead. Who fancies a Tuesday drink?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

damn thought this was in

danger of being a sensible thread and separating the SNP from an independent Scottish parliament lol.

Of course there is no guarantee who wins the Scottish election on 2016 if indeed it happens. What will be interesting to see is how different the policies are from the Scottish arm of the major parties from the Westminster arm?

Do we know for example if all the main Scottish parties want complete removal of the nuclear weapons and a l0t of the other policies the SNP currently propose and I must repeat they only propose them at this stage.

Just saying an independent Scotland might not be the same as the SNP vision after all will be up to the Scottish people if things go that way

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

What concerns me is if Labour win the 2015 general election and then wins the 2016 Scottish election after a yes vote will they remain Unionist?

Also as we don't actually know what we are voting for as no negotionations have taken place then at that time we would know some of the terms of seperation so what would happen if they were unpalatable?

Suppose all the big companies did actually move their brass plates to London and we didn't get a CU and the EU sent us to the back of the queue, then can we negate the referendum and say sorry?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

good point no one has really discussed the idea of re-joining the union I personally have no idea but the message from the better together campaign is its not possible just saying if its possible to have full independence at the request of the electorate is it also not possible somehow to rejoin the union in some shape or form? I have no idea btw!

But yeah loads and loads of stuff still to be agreed with the UK and as stated the UK elections are before the Scottish elections (if they happen) so who knows what influence that could have for example?

Lots of questions from both sides far as I can see

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

I would suspect that the SNP will be on a high if there is a YES vote and it will he a honeymoon until the negotiations start then we will see what will happen i.e. what we will get.

Also we will see what is happening with the various companies, the stockmarket if it takes a hit.

The EU, NATO and UN membership.

Then how is the currency working out.

The true cost of the Yes vote.

If that all turns to total garbage and people who voted Yes start wondering what the hell they have done then the SNP will be out on their backsides and someone will be voted in to clean up things but its not as easy as that.

If things go well then I would suspect SNP would get another term in office but thats IF things go well.

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

That's the problem so many unanswered questions.

SNP spokesman interviewed last week on Royal Mail nationalisation just kept on saying "don't know" when asked about costings, subsisdy, etc.

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

London - till 25th

Or in the period between the vote and "freedom" day, the majority snp government push through a little "amendment to constituency borders" and we end up with a majority Snp government via gerrymandering.

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By *mudg3r OP   Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"damn thought this was in

danger of being a sensible thread and separating the SNP from an independent Scottish parliament lol.

Of course there is no guarantee who wins the Scottish election on 2016 if indeed it happens. What will be interesting to see is how different the policies are from the Scottish arm of the major parties from the Westminster arm?

Do we know for example if all the main Scottish parties want complete removal of the nuclear weapons and a l0t of the other policies the SNP currently propose and I must repeat they only propose them at this stage.

Just saying an independent Scotland might not be the same as the SNP vision after all will be up to the Scottish people if things go that way "

Absolutely right, socialcpl. That's exactly my point. A yes vote is not necessarily a vote for SNP promises.

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By *mudg3r OP   Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"What concerns me is if Labour win the 2015 general election and then wins the 2016 Scottish election after a yes vote will they remain Unionist?

Also as we don't actually know what we are voting for as no negotionations have taken place then at that time we would know some of the terms of seperation so what would happen if they were unpalatable?

Suppose all the big companies did actually move their brass plates to London and we didn't get a CU and the EU sent us to the back of the queue, then can we negate the referendum and say sorry?

"

I'm afraid the answer is no. The bridge will have been burnt and that's it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Best not resort to insults, I'd have thought. The nuclear arms issue, it seems to me, is the same as the others. My understanding is that it is an SNP policy. If they are not elected, we might be keeping them depending on the party in power. "

This is my understanding!!

Being slightly 'glib' I do wonder if the 49% peeved no voters will take their annoyance to the election ballot paper....and vote conservative

Can you imagine !!! The first party voted in post independence was Tory, the irony would all but kill me

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

London - till 25th


"That's the problem so many unanswered questions.

SNP spokesman interviewed last week on Royal Mail nationalisation just kept on saying "don't know" when asked about costings, subsisdy, etc."

Seen a costing some where of £1 billion to re nationalise the PO in Scotland.

However, I reckon that the government would just take it over via "eminent domain" and to hell with the consequences.

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By *mudg3r OP   Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Btw, I agree with socialcpl. Sensible thread posts.

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By *mudg3r OP   Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"Best not resort to insults, I'd have thought. The nuclear arms issue, it seems to me, is the same as the others. My understanding is that it is an SNP policy. If they are not elected, we might be keeping them depending on the party in power.

This is my understanding!!

Being slightly 'glib' I do wonder if the 49% peeved no voters will take their annoyance to the election ballot paper....and vote conservative

Can you imagine !!! The first party voted in post independence was Tory, the irony would all but kill me "

Hadn't thought of that.

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

London - till 25th


"Best not resort to insults, I'd have thought. The nuclear arms issue, it seems to me, is the same as the others. My understanding is that it is an SNP policy. If they are not elected, we might be keeping them depending on the party in power.

This is my understanding!!

Being slightly 'glib' I do wonder if the 49% peeved no voters will take their annoyance to the election ballot paper....and vote conservative

Can you imagine !!! The first party voted in post independence was Tory, the irony would all but kill me "

I have to giggle when folk say "there's no tories in Scotland".

In 1979, after the downfall of the labour government.

Scotland returned 22, yes - twenty two tory MP's and a total of 2 snp MP's.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's the beauty of the unknown isn't it ...

Don't know about EU

Don't know about NHS

Don't know about Welfare

Don't know about currency

Don't know about public infrastructure

Don't know who will make decision about all of the above.

What we do know is that half this country is going to be mighty pi**ed off and very engaged in politics..... I do wonder what that will look like. Conservative Scottish Gov could sway votes from the 49% no and find themselves majority.

Equally it could be the greens in coalition or labour - my point (if it wasn't obvious) is you don't know lol

Going to be interesting times I think

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east

I think people have to be very wary of what cameron and westminster say at the moment .. remember it was Cameron that wouldnt allow devo max to be on the table to begin with...he gambled on thinking a no vote for complete independence was a slam dunk ...now in the last week hes desperate to give us it ...despite his own back benchers stating they will do everything they can to veto it

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

London - till 25th

Oh yes, what happens 4-5 years down the road.

If it's not the utopia promised?

Will we see the mob from outside the BBC, outside Holyrood demanding "heads to roll"

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"That's the problem so many unanswered questions.

SNP spokesman interviewed last week on Royal Mail nationalisation just kept on saying "don't know" when asked about costings, subsisdy, etc.

Seen a costing some where of £1 billion to re nationalise the PO in Scotland.

However, I reckon that the government would just take it over via "eminent domain" and to hell with the consequences. "

Royal Mail (UK) might be happy to part with Royal Mail (Scotland) at a bargain price on the grounds that Scotland, because of the geography and comparatively few letters, is far more expensive to service than England and Wales.

That, of course, would leave Royal Mail (Scotland) with the most expensive bit to run and stamp prices would need to go up.

Decisions might even need to be taken to stop* deliveries to some postcodes, just as some stores have already chosen to do.

* or hike up charges.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think people have to be very wary of what cameron and westminster say at the moment .. remember it was Cameron that wouldnt allow devo max to be on the table to begin with...he gambled on thinking a no vote for complete independence was a slam dunk ...now in the last week hes desperate to give us it ...despite his own back benchers stating they will do everything they can to veto it "

But they're also up for re-election next year - so again all change and a lot of unknowns!

Actually there's a point, if yes win do we get a vote in 2015? Since we are not technically independent at that point?

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east

Meant to add .....so when Cameron says seperation is forever....aye ok davie boy..dont kid yourself all these warnings are there to try deter us from standing on our own feet and realising ...hey we can do this ...england would jump at the chance to have our wealth back....not that we'd ever go back lol

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east


"

Actually there's a point, if yes win do we get a vote in 2015? Since we are not technically independent at that point? "

would you want 1 lol

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By *abrina59TV/TS
over a year ago

moved to cuckold land

In 2016 you will either get a far left or centre left or right left govt or likely a coalition of them all

No matter what it will ALWAYS BE A LEFT WING GOVT no other viable option if they get it wrong which invariably all politicians do as they only interested in the power brings them we will be back to strikes 3 day weeks power blackouts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Actually there's a point, if yes win do we get a vote in 2015? Since we are not technically independent at that point?

would you want 1 lol"

Since I'm a no voter who believes in the union - err yes. Because at least if I'm forced into independence I can have some say in the political party dictating terms of the divorce!

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

London - till 25th


"I think people have to be very wary of what cameron and westminster say at the moment .. remember it was Cameron that wouldnt allow devo max to be on the table to begin with...he gambled on thinking a no vote for complete independence was a slam dunk ...now in the last week hes desperate to give us it ...despite his own back benchers stating they will do everything they can to veto it

But they're also up for re-election next year - so again all change and a lot of unknowns!

Actually there's a point, if yes win do we get a vote in 2015? Since we are not technically independent at that point? "

Yes you would, but expect emergency legislation to bar scottish MP's from voting on rUk matters.

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

After the SNP guy failed to answer any questions on the natiolisation of Royal Mail a postal expert was wheeled out to say that he thought that Scotland cost Royal Mail £200 million pounds a year and that is what we Scots would need to stump up every year as well as a suggested price of 80p for a first class stamp. We all know how well nationalised industries worked in the past and weren't a drain on the public purse (chuckles at his own sarcasm)

On a different note the price of oil has dropped from $113 a barrel in July to $97 today. That leaves a bit of a hole in the yes campaigns financial projections. I realise that Wee Eck thinks everyone is scaremongering but where is the extra funds coming from?

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"After the SNP guy failed to answer any questions on the natiolisation of Royal Mail a postal expert was wheeled out to say that he thought that Scotland cost Royal Mail £200 million pounds a year and that is what we Scots would need to stump up every year as well as a suggested price of 80p for a first class stamp. We all know how well nationalised industries worked in the past and weren't a drain on the public purse (chuckles at his own sarcasm)

On a different note the price of oil has dropped from $113 a barrel in July to $97 today. That leaves a bit of a hole in the yes campaigns financial projections. I realise that Wee Eck thinks everyone is scaremongering but where is the extra funds coming from? "

YOu mean the fact that this was brought up on the radio today with the Blair from Yes group about the magic 113 dollar PB is in the SNP white paper. so with a drop of $16 dollar PB that has wipped how many BILLIONS off of the figures in the SNP White Paper?

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Now down to $96 a barrel

http://www.bloomberg.com/energy/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Going back to the original point, I recall seeing a poll that had Labour winning the 2016 election narrowly if there was a Yes vote but SNP romping it if there was a No.

I think politics in Scotland will see wholesale change in the next few years if there's a Yes vote. Commonweal and RIC aren't going to just go away so that could translate into support for some left-wing parties.

On the right I wouldn't be surprised to see the Conservatives split so social conservatives and pro-business aspects as they move away from their old image.

I also suspect there might be some move to change the voting system a bit more towards greater PR.

I'm also quite excited to hear what Scottish Labour can offer an independent Scotland and to see their manifesto for 2016.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah I agree if a yes vote Scottish politics are going to look very very different. As I said earlier be interested to see how much the Scottish version of the main parties differed from the Westminster versions, poses the questions could a party have totally opposing views for different parliaments?

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east

One thing is certain .....the next few days are going to be very very interesting

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By *owayjose8Man
over a year ago

dundee


"After the SNP guy failed to answer any questions on the natiolisation of Royal Mail a postal expert was wheeled out to say that he thought that Scotland cost Royal Mail £200 million pounds a year and that is what we Scots would need to stump up every year as well as a suggested price of 80p for a first class stamp. We all know how well nationalised industries worked in the past and weren't a drain on the public purse (chuckles at his own sarcasm)

On a different note the price of oil has dropped from $113 a barrel in July to $97 today. That leaves a bit of a hole in the yes campaigns financial projections. I realise that Wee Eck thinks everyone is scaremongering but where is the extra funds coming from? "
i can see where wee eck is getting the phrase scaremongering from what has the price of oil today got to do with the price it might be if we take control of our country in year and a half.vote yes it might be double the price by then.pmsl

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry but fuck them all. I'm watching the news tonight and this referendum pish is making the headlines every day and night. It's all over this forum as well you want to vote YES/NO then that's fine will it make a huge difference does anybody actually know?. Take a moment and spare a thought for the poor individuals who are being captured and be headed and what their families are going through right now. It's about time something was done to find these evil bastards.

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By *ootlover456Man
over a year ago

Paisley

unless we rid of our selves of the party system by then and make our own choices.

theres no reason why we have to keep an outdated and frankly corrupt party system when in this technological age. we could theoretically run our own country in true Athenian democracy

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"After the SNP guy failed to answer any questions on the natiolisation of Royal Mail a postal expert was wheeled out to say that he thought that Scotland cost Royal Mail £200 million pounds a year and that is what we Scots would need to stump up every year as well as a suggested price of 80p for a first class stamp. We all know how well nationalised industries worked in the past and weren't a drain on the public purse (chuckles at his own sarcasm)

On a different note the price of oil has dropped from $113 a barrel in July to $97 today. That leaves a bit of a hole in the yes campaigns financial projections. I realise that Wee Eck thinks everyone is scaremongering but where is the extra funds coming from? i can see where wee eck is getting the phrase scaremongering from what has the price of oil today got to do with the price it might be if we take control of our country in year and a half.vote yes it might be double the price by then.pmsl "

the price of oil is one of the major factor in snp plan for money they have to spend. knocking 16dollars a barrell off means those figures are now well down. They are the ones that used the higher figure to try and make all them sums work out and squeeze in all the things that they have promised. Simple enough.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"After the SNP guy failed to answer any questions on the natiolisation of Royal Mail a postal expert was wheeled out to say that he thought that Scotland cost Royal Mail £200 million pounds a year and that is what we Scots would need to stump up every year as well as a suggested price of 80p for a first class stamp. We all know how well nationalised industries worked in the past and weren't a drain on the public purse (chuckles at his own sarcasm)

On a different note the price of oil has dropped from $113 a barrel in July to $97 today. That leaves a bit of a hole in the yes campaigns financial projections. I realise that Wee Eck thinks everyone is scaremongering but where is the extra funds coming from? i can see where wee eck is getting the phrase scaremongering from what has the price of oil today got to do with the price it might be if we take control of our country in year and a half.vote yes it might be double the price by then.pmsl

the price of oil is one of the major factor in snp plan for money they have to spend. knocking 16dollars a barrell off means those figures are now well down. They are the ones that used the higher figure to try and make all them sums work out and squeeze in all the things that they have promised. Simple enough."

They planned on an average which done over a year or number of years tends to work as long as it's sensible and revised. Prices will go both above and below that average.

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

bedforshire


"After the SNP guy failed to answer any questions on the natiolisation of Royal Mail a postal expert was wheeled out to say that he thought that Scotland cost Royal Mail £200 million pounds a year and that is what we Scots would need to stump up every year as well as a suggested price of 80p for a first class stamp. We all know how well nationalised industries worked in the past and weren't a drain on the public purse (chuckles at his own sarcasm)

On a different note the price of oil has dropped from $113 a barrel in July to $97 today. That leaves a bit of a hole in the yes campaigns financial projections. I realise that Wee Eck thinks everyone is scaremongering but where is the extra funds coming from? i can see where wee eck is getting the phrase scaremongering from what has the price of oil today got to do with the price it might be if we take control of our country in year and a half.vote yes it might be double the price by then.pmsl

the price of oil is one of the major factor in snp plan for money they have to spend. knocking 16dollars a barrell off means those figures are now well down. They are the ones that used the higher figure to try and make all them sums work out and squeeze in all the things that they have promised. Simple enough.

They planned on an average which done over a year or number of years tends to work as long as it's sensible and revised. Prices will go both above and below that average."

Do we want to base our economy on fosil fuel? The environmental impact is plain for all to see. With such heavy reliance on it we are storing up a poisoned world for our grand children. Where is the ethical fairer Scotland in that?!?!?

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By *owayjose8Man
over a year ago

dundee


"After the SNP guy failed to answer any questions on the natiolisation of Royal Mail a postal expert was wheeled out to say that he thought that Scotland cost Royal Mail £200 million pounds a year and that is what we Scots would need to stump up every year as well as a suggested price of 80p for a first class stamp. We all know how well nationalised industries worked in the past and weren't a drain on the public purse (chuckles at his own sarcasm)

On a different note the price of oil has dropped from $113 a barrel in July to $97 today. That leaves a bit of a hole in the yes campaigns financial projections. I realise that Wee Eck thinks everyone is scaremongering but where is the extra funds coming from? i can see where wee eck is getting the phrase scaremongering from what has the price of oil today got to do with the price it might be if we take control of our country in year and a half.vote yes it might be double the price by then.pmsl

the price of oil is one of the major factor in snp plan for money they have to spend. knocking 16dollars a barrell off means those figures are now well down. They are the ones that used the higher figure to try and make all them sums work out and squeeze in all the things that they have promised. Simple enough.

They planned on an average which done over a year or number of years tends to work as long as it's sensible and revised. Prices will go both above and below that average.

Do we want to base our economy on fosil fuel? The environmental impact is plain for all to see. With such heavy reliance on it we are storing up a poisoned world for our grand children. Where is the ethical fairer Scotland in that?!?!?"
well according to all government news the pollution will decrease as the oil runs out.and we are getting rid of all nuclear weapons form our waters .how that for our children and grandchildren

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

SNP has oil down for 15% of revenue. You then lose 15% (down $16 a barrel)of the 15% then the sums don't add up. Take oil out of the equation in about 30 years time and we are relying on tidal and wind power.

Now the BBC has got its hands on alleged secret documents from an NHS insider claiming big cuts post referendum.

Leading American economist savages SNP figures

The highly respected US economist Alan Greenspan has warned against Scottish independence, dismissing Alex Salmond's campaign promises as 'implausible' and saying 'there's no conceivable way' Scotland could share the pound.

The former chairman of the US Federal Reserve accused the Yes campaign of drastically understating the economic damage a Yes vote in Thursday's referendum would cause.

Mr Greenspan, who is known for usually being circumspect, was scathing about Alex Salmond’s oil projections.

He said: ‘Their forecasts are so implausible they really should be dismissed out of hand.’

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

bedforshire


"After the SNP guy failed to answer any questions on the natiolisation of Royal Mail a postal expert was wheeled out to say that he thought that Scotland cost Royal Mail £200 million pounds a year and that is what we Scots would need to stump up every year as well as a suggested price of 80p for a first class stamp. We all know how well nationalised industries worked in the past and weren't a drain on the public purse (chuckles at his own sarcasm)

On a different note the price of oil has dropped from $113 a barrel in July to $97 today. That leaves a bit of a hole in the yes campaigns financial projections. I realise that Wee Eck thinks everyone is scaremongering but where is the extra funds coming from? i can see where wee eck is getting the phrase scaremongering from what has the price of oil today got to do with the price it might be if we take control of our country in year and a half.vote yes it might be double the price by then.pmsl

the price of oil is one of the major factor in snp plan for money they have to spend. knocking 16dollars a barrell off means those figures are now well down. They are the ones that used the higher figure to try and make all them sums work out and squeeze in all the things that they have promised. Simple enough.

They planned on an average which done over a year or number of years tends to work as long as it's sensible and revised. Prices will go both above and below that average.

Do we want to base our economy on fosil fuel? The environmental impact is plain for all to see. With such heavy reliance on it we are storing up a poisoned world for our grand children. Where is the ethical fairer Scotland in that?!?!?well according to all government news the pollution will decrease as the oil runs out.and we are getting rid of all nuclear weapons form our waters .how that for our children and grandchildren "

Bazaarly it appears that there is a vast amount of oil in the faslane exclusion zone eledgedly. So they move the nukes and drill for oil instead.

Sadly moving the dam things to Liverpool or Newcastle will mean no great advantage for us. If they get bombed the radiation will poison Scotland. We can feel proud of getting them off our land but we will also be throwing away the influence over them that we have got. It may not be much but it's more than if we leave. The only real answer to nukes is to get rid of them all round. Some how?????

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Vanderman, you are trying to bring some order to the disorder. You are completely right.

Unfortunately Wee Eck's vision of his own Dad's Army wouldn't be enough to frighten a cat far less an aggressor. You need to keep up with the big boys for everyone's sake.

I'd be the first in the queue to get rid of them if everyone else did the same but it is not likely to happen.

Unfortunately Wee Eck's vision of a tartan Utopia full of milk and honey with money falling off trees just doesn't bare close scrutiny and now the former head of Bank of America has basically said that today.

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

bedforshire


"Vanderman, you are trying to bring some order to the disorder. You are completely right.

Unfortunately Wee Eck's vision of his own Dad's Army wouldn't be enough to frighten a cat far less an aggressor. You need to keep up with the big boys for everyone's sake.

I'd be the first in the queue to get rid of them if everyone else did the same but it is not likely to happen.

Unfortunately Wee Eck's vision of a tartan Utopia full of milk and honey with money falling off trees just doesn't bare close scrutiny and now the former head of Bank of America has basically said that today."

Opps sorry to apply logic I forgot the Lord wee Eck was in possession of magic wand and mystic megs Runes.

I will try harder to be silly in future. Lol and thanks.

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over a year ago


"Of course they can its the way of politics promise anything........deliver nothing

interesting question. basically all they have promised goes out the window and the other party does what they want to do. what is that...no one knows...oh more doubt.."
All parties standing in the election would publish there manifesto and intentions before any election for the public to decide for themselves, simple.

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"SNP has oil down for 15% of revenue. You then lose 15% (down $16 a barrel)of the 15% then the sums don't add up. Take oil out of the equation in about 30 years time and we are relying on tidal and wind power.

Now the BBC has got its hands on alleged secret documents from an NHS insider claiming big cuts post referendum.

Leading American economist savages SNP figures

The highly respected US economist Alan Greenspan has warned against Scottish independence, dismissing Alex Salmond's campaign promises as 'implausible' and saying 'there's no conceivable way' Scotland could share the pound.

The former chairman of the US Federal Reserve accused the Yes campaign of drastically understating the economic damage a Yes vote in Thursday's referendum would cause.

Mr Greenspan, who is known for usually being circumspect, was scathing about Alex Salmond’s oil projections.

He said: ‘Their forecasts are so implausible they really should be dismissed out of hand.’

"

The YES folk just keep ignoring these people and say its all scaremongering, the £450MILLION black hole in the SNP NHS Scotland which Wee Eck and Nics knew about (shes admitted to the paper is real) shows that they are hidding so much from the public.

What other lies facts are they keeping away from us all?

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"

They planned on an average which done over a year or number of years tends to work as long as it's sensible and revised. Prices will go both above and below that average."

Can you show where those figures are with regards an average fuel price.

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By *icked weaselCouple
over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

Once you vote Yes and get rid of the Tory's Forever.. Time will tell..

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

bedforshire


"Once you vote Yes and get rid of the Tory's Forever.. Time will tell.. "

I am sorry but I have to say this. You will not be rid of the tories. Wee Eck gave an interview today about tax and spend that was an exact repeat of the dead dictator. Sorry but a tartan tory never changes it's spots. The SNP are doing a con job on people making them think they have seen the left hand light. They have not. Sorry I wish I was wrong truly.

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By *icked weaselCouple
over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

Don't matter which way the vote goes, either way we the tax payer are still going to get shafted right up the arse.

naw..

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

London - till 25th

Question

Sir Brian Souter, him of Stagecoach and homophobe fame, made his money how?

Answer

Running local bus services after Thatcher had deregulated the market.

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

London - till 25th


"Once you vote Yes and get rid of the Tory's Forever.. Time will tell.. "

Oh yes, 2010 general election -

Total votes for

SNP:491,386, 19.9% Seats 6.

Total votes for

"Evil":412,855. 16.7% Seats 1.

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By *icked weaselCouple
over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..


"Question

Sir Brian Souter, him of Stagecoach and homophobe fame, made his money how?

Answer

Running local bus services after Thatcher had deregulated the market.

"

Did that Not Effectively Put other small firm Bus operators out of business ??

quite a Few Bus Firms also disappeared around the 80`s..

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

London - till 25th


"Question

Sir Brian Souter, him of Stagecoach and homophobe fame, made his money how?

Answer

Running local bus services after Thatcher had deregulated the market.

Did that Not Effectively Put other small firm Bus operators out of business ??

quite a Few Bus Firms also disappeared around the 80`s.. "

So did lots of council operated services.

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Unfortunately the facts have been ignored and it is now about flag waving and getting rid of evil Tories. Saw banners in Kilmarnock today "Get rid of the Tories forever, vote yes".

Forget currency, defence, pensions, etc let's kick the tories.

It's not even true as the only way to get rid of any tories would be to ban the party as there is an outside chance as they could win an election.

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

bedforshire


"Unfortunately the facts have been ignored and it is now about flag waving and getting rid of evil Tories. Saw banners in Kilmarnock today "Get rid of the Tories forever, vote yes".

Forget currency, defence, pensions, etc let's kick the tories.

It's not even true as the only way to get rid of any tories would be to ban the party as there is an outside chance as they could win an election. "

Now there's an idea I would vote for.

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Was sent a photo today of a yes campaigner in Edinburgh burning a Union Flag. How low can they go?

Did the kilted "warrior" not have any relatives who fought under that same flag?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Was sent a photo today of a yes campaigner in Edinburgh burning a Union Flag. How low can they go?

Did the kilted "warrior" not have any relatives who fought under that same flag?"

was that the picture of Kevin Williamson by any chance bob ?

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Didn't have a name attached.

It's the total lack of respect for another person's point of view. Most of the No posters and signs have been torn down all the way from Dumbarton to kilmarnock which must be coordinated by someone.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Torn down or set on fire

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

set on fire at some sort of memorial. Can't post pics of it on here, sorry.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"set on fire at some sort of memorial. Can't post pics of it on here, sorry."

Guy in a kilt? I've seen it.

There's a pic of a poster being burned at what looks like the Mound.

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"set on fire at some sort of memorial. Can't post pics of it on here, sorry.

Guy in a kilt? I've seen it.

There's a pic of a poster being burned at what looks like the Mound."

The last time we seen this sort of thing it was in the Middle East. What next people standing outside the voting polls with little books taking notes of car regs and names all dressed in tan uniforms and jackboots?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"set on fire at some sort of memorial. Can't post pics of it on here, sorry.

Guy in a kilt? I've seen it.

There's a pic of a poster being burned at what looks like the Mound."

its the Glencoe monument, the folk responsible are far left loonies.

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

bedforshire


"set on fire at some sort of memorial. Can't post pics of it on here, sorry.

Guy in a kilt? I've seen it.

There's a pic of a poster being burned at what looks like the Mound.

its the Glencoe monument, the folk responsible are far left loonies."

My cusins are McDonald's shame on the little tossers!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"set on fire at some sort of memorial. Can't post pics of it on here, sorry.

Guy in a kilt? I've seen it.

There's a pic of a poster being burned at what looks like the Mound.

The last time we seen this sort of thing it was in the Middle East. What next people standing outside the voting polls with little books taking notes of car regs and names all dressed in tan uniforms and jackboots? "

omg the same 3 stooges with their vile biased comments on every referendum thread keep it up guys im sure ppl will see use for what use are

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

bedforshire


"set on fire at some sort of memorial. Can't post pics of it on here, sorry.

Guy in a kilt? I've seen it.

There's a pic of a poster being burned at what looks like the Mound.

The last time we seen this sort of thing it was in the Middle East. What next people standing outside the voting polls with little books taking notes of car regs and names all dressed in tan uniforms and jackboots?

omg the same 3 stooges with their vile biased comments on every referendum thread keep it up guys im sure ppl will see use for what use are "

Hot sexy and smart you mean?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good luck today folks. Damned if you do damned if you don't in my opinion.

No: Stuck with useless southern based buffoons until the end of time. No investment or knowledge of the issues faced.

Yes: stuck with useless zealot Salmon, a flimsy economy based around dwindling oil and a likelihood of prescription fees, higher taxes, higher unit prices for drink,etc. To pay for the predicted £20 billion surplus required to start off.

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