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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

If you value your job and the security it brings Vote No Salmond wants to increase population by 1 million by 2025 To many people looking for fewer jobs The economics of that means lower wages and bigger dole que

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Bank of England governor ruled out a currency union today so that leaves Wee Eck with egg all over his face as everyone was wrong but him.

I will listen with interest to his plan b for currency now he knows that sterling is not an option.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Honestly mate, there's enough of this shite everywhere you turn without reading it on here anaw. If those are your beliefs then vote no, as no matter what you say on here it will not affect me either way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'll be voting yes.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'll be voting yes."
kiss your job good by then salmond wants migrants from all over the world and they will work for peanuts an employers dream less spent on wages means bigger profits Scotland will be bankrupt in 5 years if salmond wins

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pahaha

Ok.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I honestly only know about 5 people who are voting no in the highlands haha. Yes is the way

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I'll be voting yes.kiss your job good by then salmond wants migrants from all over the world and they will work for peanuts an employers dream less spent on wages means bigger profits Scotland will be bankrupt in 5 years if salmond wins "

Coupled with Salmond's plan to reduce Corporation Tax.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No no no all the way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No from the highlands

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By *ood at oralMan
over a year ago

kirkcaldy

Well if yes wins Terex the earth moving equipement makers have said they will pull out and malcolms the big logistics haulage company have said they will leave so there is bout probably 5 or6 thousand out off work and how can you allow 16yr olds the vote when they know nothing bout life or the big wide world or how this can affect there future

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By *ife in furCouple
over a year ago

glasgow

all family voting yes. sick of tories ruining my country. better together my arse,scotland ruined by years of right wing politicians. take your operation fear and dump it in the clyde.

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By *hris n AnnaCouple
over a year ago

edinburghish

"If you value your job and the security it brings Vote No Salmond wants to increase population by 1 million by 2025 To many people looking for fewer jobs The economics of that means lower wages and bigger dole que"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thats been happening since the border controls were relaxed under a government no one in Scotland voted for.

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By *unglasgow69Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

It's a No from me. Can't stand Salmond

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Am not botherin ma arse votin but does anyone else think it's fuckin SHOCKIN that people that weren't born in Scotland but live here are aloud to vote on this?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a No from me. Can't stand Salmond "

You're voting no cause you "can't stand salmond"

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By *ootlover456Man
over a year ago

Paisley

still voting yes.

cant be damned even responding to the blatant racism.

its not a vote for wither or not you like Alex Salmond and any one basing it as such should not be voting.

most of what the media has said about this referendum has been proven to be lies time and time again and most people know this so why would they believe a word of it a week before the vote.

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By *dub67Man
over a year ago

glasgow

It's nothing to do with salmond.

It's your vote about your country. The next election you can vote for who you want to run the country.

The no vote is tuning scared now.

You have Cameron clegg and milband all coming up today,

The are shitting themselves in case we actually stand up for ourselves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'll be voting no.

Anyone voting no cause they hate Salmond, or voting yes because they hate the Tories shouldn't even get a vote. And for those who 'can't be arsed' voting... Wowzer.

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By *owayjose8Man
over a year ago

dundee

Just look at the mess the country is in now that was London based labour and London based torries lets see if a Scottish government can do better it's impossible for them to get it anymore wrong.so it's a yes from my family

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Greenland icecap in imminent danger of instantly melting causing devastation to the entire solar system and beyond if Scotland votes yes, only thing preventing this titanic catastrophe is continued rule from london by posh davie and his mates

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By *ky HookMan
over a year ago

Dundee

"how can you allow 16yr olds the vote when they know nothing bout life or the big wide world or how this can affect there future"

At that age they can be working and raising a family, paying in tax to the goverment, and die or worse be maimed for the country... but they are not allowed a say in how it is run. Its time that changed. 16yo today are also more worldly aware than they were when I was 16!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'll be voting no.

Anyone voting no cause they hate Salmond, or voting yes because they hate the Tories shouldn't even get a vote. And for those who 'can't be arsed' voting... Wowzer.

Well said, both of those are not reasons to vote either way. For me it is a question of economics, do I think I have a better chance of still having a job, in Scotland, if I vote no? Of course, economic certainty and staying part of the UK means I have more chance of being employed!

It's a huge no from me!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Every university in the world has just worked out that if Scotland becomes a free and self determining country then all the laws of physics will cease to exist, e will no longer equal mc squared, only continued westminster rule can save the galaxy

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By *woplustwocoupleCouple
over a year ago

Hawick

"Bank of England governor ruled out a currency union today so that leaves Wee Eck with egg all over his face as everyone was wrong but him.

I will listen with interest to his plan b for currency now he knows that sterling is not an option."

He did not rule it out. He said they could do it but it was a political decision

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By *woplustwocoupleCouple
over a year ago

Hawick

"Well if yes wins Terex the earth moving equipement makers have said they will pull out and malcolms the big logistics haulage company have said they will leave so there is bout probably 5 or6 thousand out off work and how can you allow 16yr olds the vote when they know nothing bout life or the big wide world or how this can affect there future"

Simply wrong. No large companies have said they will move. Its all heresay and gossip.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

If you were a large company in the uk would you stay ?? No idea what is going on or would you stay with the stability of a proven country fact is alot of companys will pull out stability in buisness is an essential for large corporations boom and bust companys may take the risk cmon no matter whichway your voting you must see that

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By *woplustwocoupleCouple
over a year ago

Hawick

If the big companies felt that way they would have said this openly thus influencing the debate. They have the skillbase in Scotland and wont spend millions moving for movings sake. Also the large oil companies will have to move to Edinburgh. They are only in London to gain access at ministerial level which is required for some of the large deals. This would be done in Edinburgh after a Yes vote.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Am not botherin ma arse votin but does anyone else think it's fuckin SHOCKIN that people that weren't born in Scotland but live here are aloud to vote on this? "

No I don't find that shocking. Those people contribute to the economy and should rightly have their say. I'm sure many of them relish the chance to vote peacefully and democratically and would be disgusted with people who declare that they won't be "bothering ma arse." Stay classy!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know plenty of 16 year olds who are way more savvy than a lot of adults, this vote affects their future and it's absolutely right that they shoulld have a say in it xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a No from me. Can't stand Salmond "

It's not Salmond your voting for! Just saying xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For common sense to prevail alongside voting is rare..

Hating Salmond is an argument I can see.

Hating Darling is an argument I can see.

Neither point is common sense to base a vote, think about it.

16 year olds voting? Ah'm no even gonnae answer that wan!!!!

Economically is makes no sense for firms to leave, if they do it will be based on sound economic policy. Likelihood is low.

Job security, in what sector? Where? I will apply for a job there in a minute, no such thing as job security anywhere so basing a vote.on that makes.no sense.

This is a huge risk, have the no campaign came up with anything solid? Please enlighten me as I will change my mind in a second.

Can we abate all fears of independent Scotland? No we cannot, the yes campaign have asked us not to believe the lies and frankly condescending nature of the no campaign.

Please make a sound decision based on common sense, as was written above don't even buy into.the racism agenda, we've always needed immigration, we Scots are also great migrators.

Please if you wish to change my yes to no, show me how we are better together.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

"If the big companies felt that way they would have said this openly thus influencing the debate. They have the skillbase in Scotland and wont spend millions moving for movings sake. Also the large oil companies will have to move to Edinburgh. They are only in London to gain access at ministerial level which is required for some of the large deals. This would be done in Edinburgh after a Yes vote."
oil companys will they not be needing to talk to the free isles and these large companys will stay in a country that has no pedigree or central bank no taxation figures no ......see where im going no answers just wave a saltire and cry freedom join the line for oil fortune to be handed over to you I simply dont buy it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having just been on Terex and Malcolm's Websites, they have no Media releases stating that in the event of a YES vote they will pull out of Scotland. If this is the case don't you think they would be shouting it from the top of their lorries or earth moving equipment to gain some form of publicity and if they firmly believed that moving was key to their business they would be supporting the no campaign...... Far too many scare stories doing the rounds.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Scotland and every other country needs migrants to keep the economy going, unfortunately people tend to think that migrants are only Eastern European, or some other place, Migrants can be English, Welsh or Irish. We lose around 30,000 school/college/university leavers every year as they become migrants to other countries, the YES campaign is the only one that wants to change that and try and keep some of these leavers for Scotland. And when will people get that this is not about Salmond it's about the future and the YES campaign, in my opinion, are the only ones that have shown vision for our country. The no campaign has belittled, and treated everybody like schoolchildren, disgraceful......

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By *r and Mrs SnogalotCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

No company will make that statement until they 'KNOW' exactly what the new laws, regulations and policys will be in a new independent Scotland.

I work for a 'Large' company and have seen correspondence from the CEO, which was probably heavily edited by the legal eagles that deal with international issues, to a TU convener that states until they know the detail's of how the independence of Scotland is going to affect the currency, export laws, pension laws etc they cannot make a decision on how they will either have to move the work or stay in Scotland.

Once Salmond and co, if the yes vote goes through, negotiate and cross all the T's and dot the I's then you will start to see the companies make the decisions to stay or go.

To believe everything in the white paper just now is purely the pie in the sky stuff what would be ideal, but as everyone should be aware what you 'want' and what you eventually end up with is never the same, doesn't matter how patriotic you are no everyone will get what they want and as such is why everyone has the difference of opinion.

I consider myself quite educated and I see too many holes in both side's of the arguments to even try to make definite yes or no vote, I would love too see an independent Scotland but at the same time I wouldn't trust any of the parties in Scotland to run a corner shop never mind a country.

Fly

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

As an 'outsider' who moved up here 7 years ago to give my kids a better life, I've looked long and hard at both arguments.

My theory is this......

Independence would be a great thing for Scotland in the short term. Salmond would get his name in the history books (which will keep him happy) and then bugger off and retire to some lucrative private directorship somewhere. Then people could vote in new leaders who would then start to scratch their heads and wonder how to balance the books.

Then in 5-10 years time, when they can't balance the books, they will have to go the way of Norway and double taxes. Which would be fine if wages also doubled at the same time. But does anyone on either side seriously believe wages will more than double in 5-10 years?? No.

So my kids will grow up and find themselves far worse off than they would if we stayed in the union.

For me, I'm looking at my kids future and their kids future, not what I can get in the next 5 years

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

Having said all of that, I think it's up to every individual to get out and vote whichever way they want without fear of intimidation or reprisals.

But don't NOT vote just because you don't like either campaign leader and don't let your vote be about personalities.

Do some reading on both sides this weekend and decide what you think would benefit you and yours in 20,30,50 years time, not 5 years. This isn't a short term thing, this is for life

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

"Am not botherin ma arse votin but does anyone else think it's fuckin SHOCKIN that people that weren't born in Scotland but live here are aloud to vote on this? "

Why shouldn't they ?I have been here almost longer than I was in England. I have lived here, worked here since 95 and raise my daughter here . Think iI've every right to vote on what affects me, my family and my home.

Do those born in Scotland and moved away for just as long deserve to vote more than an actual resident of Scotland? I don't think so .I made my life and home here and contribute here.Im very proud of being here and the Scottish people and will be just as proud I can have my say .Sadly there are Scots here who aren't concerned about the place they proclaim to love and won't bother there arse to vote either way .Now thats what I consider shocking !

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

in the interests of fairness... technically not quite true.....

what has been said is that to make the ecomonic numbers work, the YES side have said there would need to be a net migration of 25,000 per year....

now.. where the extra 25,000 jobs per year come from.... thats the interesting question

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

anyway... massive resentment whichever side wins...

and how long before the subject comes up again if it is a "no".......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"anyway... massive resentment whichever side wins...

and how long before the subject comes up again if it is a "no".......

shhhhhhhhhhhhh please just shhhhhh, now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Salmond is only leading Yes campaign it's not a Salmond election ..

I'm following my heart and my blood is tartan!! Why do we need another country to rule us. At least we would get the government we vote for.

So big fat YES

Im not listening to scare mongering

Jasmine

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By *ustforalaugh1Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"It's nothing to do with salmond.

It's your vote about your country. The next election you can vote for who you want to run the country.

The no vote is tuning scared now.

You have Cameron clegg and milband all coming up today,

The are shitting themselves in case we actually stand up for ourselves "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am told Norway is the country we should look to as a shining example . today in the Herald they need to rent PRISON spaces from Holland to do up their prisons , where is all this money that they are sitting on actually being spent considering they are taxed to the max !!!!!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am told Norway is the country we should look to as a shining example . today in the Herald they need to rent PRISON spaces from Holland to do up their prisons , where is all this money that they are sitting on actually being spent considering they are taxed to the max !!!!!!!!!!"

9 pound a pint as well... Fucks that all about man.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Honestly mate, there's enough of this shite everywhere you turn without reading it on here anaw. If those are your beliefs then vote no, as no matter what you say on here it will not affect me either way."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My son was 16 last week and he can't wait to vote NO and save the country he loves from being ruined and I'm well proud of him for doing so

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

My son was 16 last week and he can't wait to vote NO and save the country he loves from being ruined and I'm well proud of him for doing so

In 2 years time I'll buy him a pint for actually taking an interest AND casting a vote for something that he believes in. It doesn't matter which way he votes, I'm just glad he is mature enough to look at the different arguments and actually go and vote

You should be proud of him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Simply wrong. No large companies have said they will move. Its all heresay and gossip.

not looking to argue but your statement is wrong one of the largest employers on the west coast both directly and indirectly will cease in an independent Scotland with the removal of their deadly payload removing a long term stream of well paid highly skilled employment for the area.

this alone should make me say NO but its a bigger issue than just employment I feel

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

it's still a No

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Blah blah...Torries are evil...blah blah...Westminster have fucked us all for the last 100 years...blah blah...

So what the fuck have the government and Salmond being doing for the last seven years if everything is London's fault? Why have we been paying their wages? What has been the point of the Scottish Parliament?

Honestly, I'm sick of the whinging from some of the Nats. If you think the countries fucked then a huge portion of that blame has to be placed with the man you're happy to potentially lead this country into Independence.

We've had full control of our NHS for years. The government has had the power to give free childcare for years but, as Nicola Sturgeon stated, they didn't do so as the money the government paid would go to Westminster. Thats ok then, to hell with helping thousands of families as long as you can have a pop at Westminster!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"how can you allow 16yr olds the vote when they know nothing bout life or the big wide world or how this can affect there future

if you mean a serviceman, you are wrong, they cannot go to 'war' until they are 18 years of age

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My son was 16 last week and he can't wait to vote NO and save the country he loves from being ruined and I'm well proud of him for doing so

You should be proud of him

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By *leasure domMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

If you want to put this to bed, the only option is to vote YES.

A narrow NO will only mean that there will continue to be pressure for the next electoral roll to have their say in a few years.

This will NEVER go away until independence is achieved - anyone who would like to think otherwise is deluded.

Once and for all? Then it has to be YES.

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By *leasure domMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Before devolution, we heard similar fear stories coming from the same quarters. Mass flight of companies and capital.

None of that came to be. All the scare stories were lies.

Investment in Scotland is on the increase. Hardly an indication that we will be an economic basket case.

These are the same people who lied to us before, subverted the democratic result of the first devolution vote and concealed the true facts about an independent Scotland's viability by burying the McCrone report - including the Anglo Scots at Westminster. They do not have our best interests at heart.

Let's not succumb to the fear, smear and lies being peddled by those who have an interest in hanging on to our revenue and resources.

That would be a terrible burden for anyone's conscience to bear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Interesting...

http://news.sky.com/story/1333415/scotland-yes-vote-means-higher-roaming-charges

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a No from me. Can't stand Salmond "

Would'nt buy a used car from him

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By *ishaw girlMan
over a year ago

motherwell

Dont be feart vote yes and stop listening to all the scarey stories

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dont be feart vote yes and stop listening to all the scarey stories"

Think there's a lot to be feart off its not like looking at a big hairy spider this is our childrens futures we are dicing with and i for one ain't prepared to take that chance that it "might" work

Better together

Keep the union

Vote NO

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Heads it's yes, Tails it's no. That's the odds, it's so evenly split. Me? I'm a yes, although God knows I was and wanted to be a No from day one. The thing is I want to believe in what can be achieved, I want a vision, I want change. Sometimes the old way cannot be fixed, it needs to be torn down and started from scratch. This is a chance to build something great, to be part of it from the ground up. If it is a no then I will accept the will of the Scottish people and keep working towards things getting better. But, if it's a yes then I hope everyone can play their part in making an independent Scotland a success regardless of their vote. That said, I will always consider myself British. Scotland can be a shining example of tolerance, ingenuity and progress, that's what I believe in my heart. I hope in 20 years we can all be proud of whatever the outcome and have all moved forward greatly.

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow ish

"Dont be feart vote yes and stop listening to all the scarey stories"

"History","Destiny", "Fairness! " are all fine words, but they don't put food on the table and pay the bills.

This is the man that would lead negotiations. .

Alex Salmond has been accused of laughing off the prospect of repaying a share of national debt should Scotland become independent by allegedly joking: “What are they going to do - invade?”.

The Scottish First Minister reportedly made the ‘invasion’ joke to colleagues over the issue of Scotland carrying its share of the national debt if it leaves the UK, according to ITV news.

How nieve is he... Border controls? Visas? Trade tariffs? No access to the shared services he 'demands'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So what the fuck have the government and Salmond being doing for the last seven years if everything is London's fault? Why have we been paying their wages? What has been the point of the Scottish Parliament?

Your points are incorrect. Scotland has not had full control of the NHS, they have administration control in what to do with the money Westminster gives to.the NHS here. So the SNP made sure all your prescriptions were free for a start then they kept private spending down to less than 1% (0.9%) to be exact, they abolished PFI and still cop the bill from 25 years PFI contracts that were signed by Blair &co (funny how politicians can sign a 25 year contract yet only get voted in for 5 max) Currently in England private spending in the NHS is 6% with projections from both incumbent and opposition for that to rise to 20% and PFI are still being taken up. Oh and that is just the NHS PFI stuff, don't get me started on education.

So my question to you sir is "do you actually know what you're talking about"?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also, you're not voting for SNP, can I ask something that may help clarify this.

If the vote were for the SNP as yes, who would the no vote be for?

Seems to me that you are looking to choose between which party you're voting for and not whether you think we should be independent. Seems also to me that the no campaign thinks only nationalists are voting no.

This is NOT about political parties.

I would like to see your face when you see the ballot paper and it has two boxes, honestly

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By *candiumWoman
over a year ago

oban

I'm voting for my country, a country i believe in and that i am proud of. The united kingdom.

its another no from the (almost) highlands

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm voting for my country, a country i believe in and that i am proud of. The united kingdom.

its another no from the (almost) highlands"
See I admire that, simple and straight to the point, not filled with conjecture and supposition and clap trap bogus nonsense.

Well done, although I vote yes, I applaud you

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By *ife in furCouple
over a year ago

glasgow

26 million worth of cuts to come in 2016 if Tories get back in. People on zero hour contracts, poverty wages. Been better together for over 30 years and our country has been ruined by uk politicians. Yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm voting for my country, a country i believe in and that i am proud of. The united kingdom.

its another no from the (almost) highlands"

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Lets get some facts about Norway:

It has the highest fuel prices in Europe

The price of beer is higher

The price of cigs is higher

The price of houses is higher and in some areas so high due to the oil industry the locals have been forced out.

Norway child poverty has DOUBLED in the last 10 years

I suggest you visit one of the sites that you can compare the cost of living between Glasgow and Oslo and see the results http://goo.gl/mkM0W7 is a link to the comparison.

So unless your earning a massive amount of extra income it will cost more. Ok the have their Oil Fund but why is everything still so expsensive? Why is child poverty on the increase?

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Another good read on the Norway thing is this one http://goo.gl/LUmEVU

Here is just one quote from the above

"How embarrassed we are that our cost of living index is the highest in the world and we have one of the highest household debt levels compared to any country in Europe."

The things that wee eck and his burd nics is not telling folk about or folk are just silly enough not to go and investigate things themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thats been happening since the border controls were relaxed under a government no one in Scotland voted for. "

No one in Scotland voted for ??????

A ton of people voted Tory in Scotland ! And got the government they voted for ! The difference is they only got one MP ! That's democracy !! You get what you deserve !

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over a year ago

"I'm voting for my country, a country i believe in and that i am proud of. The united kingdom.

its another no from the (almost) highlands See I admire that, simple and straight to the point, not filled with conjecture and supposition and clap trap bogus nonsense.

Well done, although I vote yes, I

applaud you

The UK is not a country??

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Thats been happening since the border controls were relaxed under a government no one in Scotland voted

for.

No one in Scotland voted for ??????

A ton of people voted Tory in Scotland ! And got the government they voted for ! The difference is they only got one MP ! That's democracy !! You get what you deserve !"

Facts for Tory Party in Scotland

House of Commons

1 / 59

Scottish Parliament

15 / 129

European Parliament

1 / 6

Local government in Scotland

115 / 1,222

So yes people did vote for Tory in Scotland.

Over 276,000 people voted Tory in 1st last Scottish election with 250,000 in the list section.

So for people to say no one votes Tory then they are wrong. Again FACTS seem to be mistaken or ignored.

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I'm voting for my country, a country i believe in and that i am proud of. The united kingdom.

its another no from the (almost) highlands See I admire that, simple and straight to the point, not filled with conjecture and supposition and clap trap bogus nonsense.

Well done, although I vote yes, I

applaud you

The UK is not a country??"

From the EU

The United Kingdom (UK) consists of England, Wales, Scotland (who together make up Great Britain) and Northern Ireland.

UK is listed as a country.....

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Right now, on Facebook, there's a bunch of bams who have convinced each other that Eck's 'threat' to walk away from the debt means they won't have to pay their mortgage.

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By *berdeenGuy1979Man
over a year ago

aberdeen

I'm a no.

As to 16 year olds voting I was against the idea. However I watched an audience participation debate last week on bbc2 that had some school kids in the audience and the questions some of them asked (and their replys) were very well thought out. Better than some of the adults taking part.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would like to know why they want us to stay!

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By *ootlover456Man
over a year ago

Paisley

exactly what is it No voters think they will lose by not being part of the UK ?

already right now you can go onto the govenments own website and see that Scotland already pays for its own

Housing services

fire and rescue

health centers

family centres

socal work department

state benefits

education

tax credits

NHS

free eye care

Ambulance services

Child protection

care Facility's

Hospitals

Pensions

Elderly Facility's

Free prescriptions

roadwork's

Free tuition

and civil services

all of this is already paid for today by the Scottish tax payer off of the money we get back from Westminster. despite the fact that what we get back is much less (by several billion a year) than what we contribute in the first place.

so exactly what is it you think you'll lose by the country being several billion better off.

source gov uk

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over a year ago

Thats been happening since the border controls were relaxed under a government no one in Scotland voted for. "

The EU rules we'll apparently still be a part of?

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Thats been happening since the border controls were relaxed under a government no one in Scotland voted for.

The EU rules we'll apparently still be a part of?"

we will not be in the EU gang as we will be a standalong country no NATO no EU no BANK no CURRENCY then again er can use the YEN or the US Dollar as that is the exact same thing as using the pound...its not ours.

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"exactly what is it No voters think they will lose by not being part of the UK ?

already right now you can go onto the govenments own website and see that Scotland already pays for its own

Housing services

fire and rescue

health centers

family centres

socal work department

state benefits

education

tax credits

NHS

free eye care

Ambulance services

Child protection

care Facility's

Hospitals

Pensions

Elderly Facility's

Free prescriptions

roadwork's

Free tuition

and civil services

so exactly what is it you think you'll lose by the country being several billion better off.

source gov uk

so the gov quoted.the 7 billion pound on that website then?

You had been doing well with your list until you done that. show us where the 7 billion is coming from please in real terms not made uo.

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over a year ago

Thats been happening since the border controls were relaxed under a government no one in Scotland voted for.

The EU rules we'll apparently still be a part of?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"exactly what is it No voters think they will lose by not being part of the UK ?

already right now you can go onto the govenments own website and see that Scotland already pays for its own

Housing services

fire and rescue

health centers

family centres

socal work department

state benefits

education

tax credits

NHS

free eye care

Ambulance services

Child protection

care Facility's

Hospitals

Pensions

Elderly Facility's

Free prescriptions

roadwork's

Free tuition

and civil services

so exactly what is it you think you'll lose by the country being several billion better off.

source gov uk

so the gov quoted.the 7 billion pound on that website then?

You had been doing well with your list until you done that. show us where the 7 billion is coming from please in real terms not made uo."

The guy said several not seven. no need to answer my question above thanks

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By *he feckersCouple
over a year ago

rosyth

You can go back and forth all you like but at the end of the day a no vote means massive austerity cuts to come labour has said they will continue them if they win the next general election so in our house it's going to be yes plain and simple because only with a government that is fully based in Scotland and has all the power will we be able to change things no one is expecting it to be all moonlight and roses it may get tough but any mistakes will be our mistakes. No more Westminster no more House of Lords and no more Fecking Trident on our doorstep that sounds Damn good to me

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over a year ago

Thats been happening since the border controls were relaxed under a government no one in Scotland voted for.

The EU rules we'll apparently still be a part of?"

Not necessarily if a no vote the referendum in next 18 month will decide that.

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over a year ago

Thats been happening since the border controls were relaxed under a government no one in Scotland voted

for.

No one in Scotland voted for ??????

A ton of people voted Tory in Scotland ! And got the government they voted for ! The difference is they only got one MP ! That's democracy !! You get what you deserve !

Facts for Tory Party in Scotland

House of Commons

1 / 59

Scottish Parliament

15 / 129

European Parliament

1 / 6

Local government in Scotland

115 / 1,222

So yes people did vote for Tory in Scotland.

Over 276,000 people voted Tory in 1st last Scottish election with 250,000 in the list section.

So for people to say no one votes Tory then they are wrong. Again FACTS seem to be mistaken or ignored."

Could you give me a link to this info, a tonne of people I know don't seem to think anyone voted Tory...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thats been happening since the border controls were relaxed under a government no one in Scotland voted

for.

No one in Scotland voted for ??????

A ton of people voted Tory in Scotland ! And got the government they voted for ! The difference is they only got one MP ! That's democracy !! You get what you deserve !

Facts for Tory Party in Scotland

House of Commons

1 / 59

Scottish Parliament

15 / 129

European Parliament

1 / 6

Local government in Scotland

115 / 1,222

So yes people did vote for Tory in Scotland.

Over 276,000 people voted Tory in 1st last Scottish election with 250,000 in the list section.

So for people to say no one votes Tory then they are wrong. Again FACTS seem to be mistaken or ignored.

Could you give me a link to this info, a tonne of people I know don't seem to think anyone voted Tory...

"
I'll send you it......oh yeah that's right I can't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'll be voting yes."
.

I will be voting yes to

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Really not liking the scaremongering that is going on.... Common sense tells me that in the event of YES vote there will be opportunities galore for new and existing businesses, we have already been told that the Corporation Tax will be reduced. Do you really mean to tell me that Banks and other institutions that want to make money and keep their businesses going won't want a major part in that..... Unfortunately there are too many ties with the existing Westminster 'elite' and no doubt many phone calls going behind the scene. Scotland was reported on a French TV Programme as post Independence being the 14th richest country....... Call me cynical but that is why the rUK do not want us to Separate, they need our resources.

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Could you give me a link to this info, a tonne of people I know don't seem to think anyone voted Tory...

Here is a link from the official 2011 report. http://goo.gl/gS0B8r it gives the breakdown of the votes etc.

For people to think that no one voted Tory is a total joke and shows ignorance outwith any sort of YES/NO vote or political party. Dont they understand that we have Conservative MSPs? How do they think they got voted in.

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Cutting coporation tax will not help anything at all apart from allowing the larger companies to make more money if they decide to stay on.

Ireland went by this model and got totally screwed over. So much so that there are now calls for Ireland (as recent as last month) to move away from this model of attracting business. Here is information on it. http://tiny.cc/com0lx

Too many folk are not looking at FACTS and too many of the YES/NO political people are not providing the FACTS.

We should ask ourselves why Salmond will not increase the basic rate tax for higher earners but wants to push more people into work so that he can get the tax for them to pay for what they need to do?

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"You can go back and forth all you like but at the end of the day a no vote means massive austerity cuts to come labour has said they will continue them if they win the next general election so in our house it's going to be yes plain and simple because only with a government that is fully based in Scotland and has all the power will we be able to change things no one is expecting it to be all moonlight and roses it may get tough but any mistakes will be our mistakes. No more Westminster no more House of Lords and no more Fecking Trident on our doorstep that sounds Damn good to me "

so you firmly believe that if there is a YES vote that there will be NO cuts to any services in Scotland and that the services will get better? Interesting....

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

"Really not liking the scaremongering that is going on.... Common sense tells me that in the event of YES vote there will be opportunities galore for new and existing businesses, we have already been told that the Corporation Tax will be reduced. Do you really mean to tell me that Banks and other institutions that want to make money and keep their businesses going won't want a major part in that..... Unfortunately there are too many ties with the existing Westminster 'elite' and no doubt many phone calls going behind the scene. Scotland was reported on a French TV Programme as post Independence being the 14th richest country....... Call me cynical but that is why the rUK do not want us to Separate, they need our resources."
that will be the westminster elite the people of britain scotland included appointed as for bank yup all they want is profit so if everyone pulls out of scotland you think they will hang around tax what level of taxation will there be and how many forms all questions that remain unanswered the no campaign dosnt have to answer these so which sides at fault ?? 14th richest country tell that to wee tam who begs for coppers on argyll st so tell me this how rich are we if the isles win their own independance vote ? That will be yet another unanswered question yes great britain want to keep us as we do have valuable oil fields and mineral deposits but also as unity is what makes great britain great it will sting the uk just as hard as it stings us if a yes vote happens

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

I'm a no,

and I'm quite sure come

Thurs 18 sept,

the no vote will win,with a landside victory.

The polls showing the gap between the two camps decreasing,

Probably has more to do with the,

aggressive intimidating bullying tactics,

the yes campaign seem to identify,

as legitimate political debate,

Shouting down anyone who has opposing _iews

Is this the basis on which a

brave new independent Scotland,

will make political decisions in the future,

not on what you have to say,

But how loud you can say it.

The tactics of the yes campaign, has only reinforced my opinion,

That a no vote is best for Scotland.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is what it's like in London now and trust me it sucks. Really hard to find anywhere to live (unless you are rich), takes weeks to get a GP appointment and my primary age kids are in schools 5 miles in different directions as not enough school places. No-one seems to recognise there are too many people here!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Problem is all the information we get is either anecdotal or slanted in favour of the _iews of the person supplying it.

There is no way all the answers can be known at this stage, because so many things depend on something else.

One thing that will happen if its a yes, south of the border will never be labour again.

My take is, if you want to keep it as it is vote no, if you want something different which could be better or worse vote yes. But above all else, get out and vote!!!!!

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

bedforshire

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

bedforshire

Swinging is always better together.

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

bedforshire

Young people voting definitely

Non Scots born who live in Scotland defiantly

Scots born in Scotland and not living there out of order.

Scotland to weak to survive on its own give me a break.

England perm tory if we vote Yes garentee

Scotland needs to wake up the real question is how to get more influence in a united kingdom answer is not indipendence it's reform of seat distribution fewer seats for England more seats for Scotland northern Ireland Wales and Cornwall.

Vote no and demand more real power.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Vote no and demand more real power."

you do realise that is a non starter dont you

in reality the number of mps at westminster is being reduced from 650 to 600, thats a 7.5% reduction.

brokendown into the 4 countries:

N. Ireland 18 down to 16, an 11% reduction.

Scotland 59 down to 52, a 12% reduction.

Wales 40 down to 30, a 25% reduction.

England 533 down to 502, a 6% reduction.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Young people voting definitely

Non Scots born who live in Scotland defiantly

Scots born in Scotland and not living there out of order.

Scotland to weak to survive on its own give me a break.

England perm tory if we vote Yes garentee

Vote no and demand more real power."
Oh sounds like the Boris Johnson brigade are popping in for a wee site at the cherry too.

Answer me this, why haven't more powers been devolved already? Do you think we are behaving like belligerent children who you can wave candy at? Your remarks are flagrantly (which isn't even a word but vote yes and I will campaign we bring it in, fuck grammar) purile and condescending

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

VOTE NO!

Naw

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's all just gettin a bit out of hand now people need to grow up a bit about it, DON'T MEAN ON HERE. It's becoming a bit like the catholic @ prodisant thing now they're are people fighting over it & the no people in Glasgow pull you up & they don't talk to you they talk at you & they talk angry & try to intimidate you"personnel experiance" think everyone needs to just shut up make they're vote wait to next week & whatever the decision just deal with it like a fuckin adult

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By *leasure domMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Misinformation and scare stories still being peddled by the naysayers with an interest in remaining absorbed within the malfunctioning union.

So a movement of brass plate becomes a flight of capital and loss of thousands of jobs, eh?

The lies and deception from the London parties and their useful helpers in the media are an insult to our intelligence.

Let's hope not too many voters will be taken in.

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Misinformation and scare stories still being peddled by the naysayers with an interest in remaining absorbed within the malfunctioning union.

So a movement of brass plate becomes a flight of capital and loss of thousands of jobs, eh?

The lies and deception from the London parties and their useful helpers in the media are an insult to our intelligence.

Let's hope not too many voters will be taken in."

what lies are you on about. please can you list them and also the deception that has taken place.

I look forward to your reply with the above topics covered.

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

bedforshire

"Young people voting definitely

Non Scots born who live in Scotland defiantly

Scots born in Scotland and not living there out of order.

Scotland to weak to survive on its own give me a break.

England perm tory if we vote Yes garentee

Vote no and demand more real power. Oh sounds like the Boris Johnson brigade are popping in for a wee site at the cherry too.

Boris Johnson can kiss my kilted Ass!

As for you crawl back under your tartan tory rock!

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

bedforshire

Vote no and demand more real power.

you do realise that is a non starter dont you

in reality the number of mps at westminster is being reduced from 650 to 600, thats a 7.5% reduction.

brokendown into the 4 countries:

N. Ireland 18 down to 16, an 11% reduction.

Scotland 59 down to 52, a 12% reduction.

Wales 40 down to 30, a 25% reduction.

England 533 down to 502, a 6% reduction.

Thanks for the maths that proves the point. The reductions of seats are disproportionately disadvantagious to the Celtic nations and leaves England in a stronger position. This is what needs to change. This is the issue to demand change on.

The one plus of the referendum is giving us the chance to demand that! Ignore that tax dodging Osborne threats and bribes and demand the power that makes real change.

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

bedforshire

"Misinformation and scare stories still being peddled by the naysayers with an interest in remaining absorbed within the malfunctioning union.

So a movement of brass plate becomes a flight of capital and loss of thousands of jobs, eh?

The lies and deception from the London parties and their useful helpers in the media are an insult to our intelligence.

Let's hope not too many voters will be taken in.

what lies are you on about. please can you list them and also the deception that has taken place.

I look forward to your reply with the above topics covered.

Ok look both sides have told great big woopers over this. The NHS Scotland can not be privatised unless Alex does it. The lights going out if we vote Yes is equally a lie. The biggest lie of all is this notion of Scotish weakness too weak to survive on our own to weak to fight our own corner inside the union. Scotland is not weak never has never will be. Weakness the biggest lie of the lot. As for people shouting at each other in the street or throwing eggs at each other I agree people need to grow up and be adults about the whole thing.

My _iew is politicians from both sides don't want us asking questions about electoral and boundary reform becouse that would see all of them out on their arse!

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow

I could be wrong here but when a financial organisation moves where it's HQ is registered isn't it the case that it means their taxes will also be paid there? So with RBS, CLydesdale, Llyods and Tesco Bank planning to move their HQ's down South and independent Scotland won't receive the tax income from them?

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By *ootlover456Man
over a year ago

Paisley

so I see the bbc are accused of blatantly lying again about Royal bank of Scotland and have been publically shot down by the bank themselves.

why do people support no when all they do is lie ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"VOTE NO!

Naw

I literally laughed out loud there, nice one, probably one of the best pieces of self deprecation in such a serious thread

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"so I see the bbc are accused of blatantly lying again about Royal bank of Scotland and have been publically shot down by the bank themselves.

why do people support no when all they do is lie ?"

So Salmond and his crew dont lie at all? They are stalewarts of the community? LMFAO....Yeah right....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Young people voting definitely

Non Scots born who live in Scotland defiantly

Scots born in Scotland and not living there out of order.

Scotland to weak to survive on its own give me a break.

England perm tory if we vote Yes garentee

Vote no and demand more real power. Oh sounds like the Boris Johnson brigade are popping in for a wee site at the cherry too.

Boris Johnson can kiss my kilted Ass!

As for you crawl back under your tartan tory rock!"
I apologise if you took my remark personally, it was aimed at what you said not who you are. I do not know you well enough to judge you.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"so I see the bbc are accused of blatantly lying again about Royal bank of Scotland and have been publically shot down by the bank themselves.

why do people support no when all they do is lie ?"

If, a few years back, RBS and the others had made the announcement they did yesterday - Eck and his cronies would have been jumping up and down like scalded haggises (haggii?)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I could be wrong here but when a financial organisation moves where it's HQ is registered isn't it the case that it means their taxes will also be paid there? So with RBS, CLydesdale, Llyods and Tesco Bank planning to move their HQ's down South and independent Scotland won't receive the tax income from them?"

I think the way it works is you are due tax in the country of activity eg if they traded/ did business in Dublin or Paris they'd be due tax to those countries based in activity/turnover/etc that took place in those countries. Hence all the stooshy about Starbucks etc avoiding tax here. Happy to be corrected if wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The BBC is supposed to be impartial in its reporting, they blatantly are no oriented.

After the report on Salmonds press conference they went to a Russian journalist and got his point of _iew on his question to him. The journalist said AS was a teflon something or other.

Later Ed Milliband was asked by a young lady in Paisley why millions were being spent on Trident and she couldn't get a house, Milliband was shown to answer all pro no questions but the BBC didn't show the answer to this.

Yes, I have made a complaint

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

".....

Yes, I have made a complaint"

Housing is devolved to Holyrood. Defence is a reserved matter.

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

".....

Yes, I have made a complaint

Housing is devolved to Holyrood. Defence is a reserved matter."

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow ish

Have a read through the fullfact dot org

Website. It puts both sides of the debate.

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By *candiumWoman
over a year ago

oban

The UK is not a country??"

and for me neither is scotland.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

".....

Yes, I have made a complaint

Housing is devolved to Holyrood. Defence is a reserved matter.

NHS is at risk in Scotland due to a few factors, one is TTIP and the other is reduction in the block grant that is planned. Less money to scotland means less money to split over services. TTIP opens the door Europe wide to privatisation from the states, that draws us in as we're under the UK umbrella. So it's not as simple as 'it's a devolved issue.'

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By *candiumWoman
over a year ago

oban

"The BBC is supposed to be impartial in its reporting, they blatantly are no oriented.

Have you been watching the same BBC??? Blatant yes, all of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Have a read through the fullfact dot org

Website. It puts both sides of the debate."

Or this

http://wingsoverscotland.com/weebluebook/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The BBC is supposed to be impartial in its reporting, they blatantly are no oriented.

Have you been watching the same BBC??? Blatant yes, all of it."

What?!!! You're having a laugh. It's fucking ridiculously pro union. They're about to lose £350m in licence fee money, they'll do whatever it takes to keep Scotland part of the UK.

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow ish

"Have a read through the fullfact dot org

Website. It puts both sides of the debate.

Or this

http://wingsoverscotland.com/weebluebook/

Ha ha ha ha.. nat propaganda from a guy who lives in Bath.

Shades of Chairman Mao and his little red book.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Have a read through the fullfact dot org

Website. It puts both sides of the debate.

Or this

http://wingsoverscotland.com/weebluebook/

Ha ha ha ha.. nat propaganda from a guy who lives in Bath.

Shades of Chairman Mao and his little red book.

Quite. How adult.

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow ish

"Have a read through the fullfact dot org

Website. It puts both sides of the debate.

Or this

http://wingsoverscotland.com/weebluebook/

Ha ha ha ha.. nat propaganda from a guy who lives in Bath.

Shades of Chairman Mao and his little red book.

Quite. How adult."

In May 2009 Reverand Stuart Campbell wrote: “9/11 was brilliant. I watched it all on TV and I laughed the whole time.”

"Adult"

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

watch the big debate now... interesting seeing the better together side putting up "gorgeous george"... for as much as you may disagree with him... he is very very good at putting a point of _iew across...

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By *awk3y3Man
over a year ago

West Lothian

"watch the big debate now... interesting seeing the better together side putting up "gorgeous george"... for as much as you may disagree with him... he is very very good at putting a point of _iew across..."

And he has a nice hat....

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Have a read through the fullfact dot org

Website. It puts both sides of the debate.

Or this

http://wingsoverscotland.com/weebluebook/

Ha ha ha ha.. nat propaganda from a guy who lives in Bath.

Shades of Chairman Mao and his little red book.

Quite. How adult.

In May 2009 Reverand Stuart Campbell wrote: “9/11 was brilliant. I watched it all on TV and I laughed the whole time.”

"Adult""

He's not a real Rev. He's a Jedi 'Rev' and obtained this via an online course.

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"The BBC is supposed to be impartial in its reporting, they blatantly are no oriented.

Have you been watching the same BBC??? Blatant yes, all of it.

What?!!! You're having a laugh. It's fucking ridiculously pro union. They're about to lose £350m in licence fee money, they'll do whatever it takes to keep Scotland part of the UK. "

Lets have a debate with less of the swearing please. We are supposed to be adults and not some bunch of neds.

So what about the other TV Channels that have news programmes have you bothered to watch any of them? Or listen to the other radio broadcasts.

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow ish

"Have a read through the fullfact dot org

Website. It puts both sides of the debate.

Or this

http://wingsoverscotland.com/weebluebook/

Ha ha ha ha.. nat propaganda from a guy who lives in Bath.

Shades of Chairman Mao and his little red book.

Quite. How adult.

In May 2009 Reverand Stuart Campbell wrote: “9/11 was brilliant. I watched it all on TV and I laughed the whole time.”

"Adult"

He's not a real Rev. He's a Jedi 'Rev' and obtained this via an online course."

https://fullfact.org/about/what-we-do/

Factchecking

Our factchecks look at whether it’s reasonable for people to trust the claims of politicians and journalists based on the evidence that’s available to us. Factchecks link to all sources so that people can make their own judgements an issue.

Where as WOS is a pro Yes website, where all you get is Nat "facts".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

".....

Yes, I have made a complaint

Housing is devolved to Holyrood. Defence is a reserved matter.

Well there you go ANOTHER DEVOLVED issue that is with the SNP. Just like the NHS whish is DEVOLVED but lets IGNORE that FACT and scare the crap out of folks that the Tory/Lib Gov is going to sell it all off...oh wait a minute they cant the NHS is DEVOLVED...."
Are you really mental? Honestly I despair, do.you actually know what devolution means? Go and look it up, sick to death of some people reading a word then making up what they think it means.

Holyrood is NOT responsible for the Scottish public purse in terms of cash in the kitty, only how its spent.

D I S T R U B U T I O N I spelled it our in big words for you on case you.miss it

The incumbent (those already in power (those in charge) ) government (Coalition(partnership)) have control of public purse in the UK, they tell US how much WE pay, income tax, vat, fuel tax, NI contributions, buildings tax, inheritance tax, the list goes on at the.amount of stealth (hidden) taxes that we pay even after the compulsory (meaning we have to pay first) taxes from our wages, they then send us some back. Devolution means we decide how its distribution is administered. Here endeth the lesson. Go read a book other than something with pop ups or in fact keeping shouting about coming no, it encourages me more to know for certain I want to vote yes.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

well its been an interesting watch the big big debate.... no very impartial... but an interesting watch none the less.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Devolution is so unfair and unethical it poses a question of equality.

E.G., we can vote in 40+ Scottish MP's and they can have a say in Westminster in how the UK as a whole is governed the other MP's have input too, we then have 40+ separate MSP's to oversee the primary legislative processes in Scotland, they administer the policies, hand them.down to local government and ask them.to administer too.

So the question for me is simple, if Wales, Scotland and NI are all allowed assemblies how come England don't have one?

Interesting.......

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow ish

Go read a book other than something with pop ups or in fact keeping shouting about coming no, it encourages me more to know for certain I want to vote yes.

Have a read of this then.. no pop ups.

Swiss bank Credit Suisse added to investors’ woes, predicting that Scotland would slump into a ‘deep recession’ if it becomes independent from the rest of the UK.

‘Should the Bank of England move to guarantee Scottish deposits, we expect it to extract a high fiscal and regulatory price (probably insisting on a primary budget surplus. The re-domiciling of the financial sector and UK public service jobs, as well as a legal dispute over North Sea oil, would further accelerate any downturn. In our opinion, as North Sea oil production slows, we estimate that the non-oil economy would need a 10% to 20% devaluation to restore competitiveness. This would require a 5% to 10% fall in wages, driven by a steep rise in unemployment,’ Credit Suisse said, as reported in the Financial Times.

Or how about Paul Krugman.

Declaring Scotland independent would mean a big disruption of existing economic and financial arrangements. As Simon Wren-Lewis says, the preponderance of professional economic opinion is that this disruption would leave Scotland worse off, but that is a point we can argue. However, that is not the argument the independence movement is making; what they have been telling voters is that there would be no disruption — in particular, that Scots could continue using the pound, and that this would pose no problem.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Sainsbury has joined the 'it'll be dearer in iScotland'.

Thank **** separation won't happen.

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

".....

Yes, I have made a complaint

Housing is devolved to Holyrood. Defence is a reserved matter.

Well there you go ANOTHER DEVOLVED issue that is with the SNP. Just like the NHS whish is DEVOLVED but lets IGNORE that FACT and scare the crap out of folks that the Tory/Lib Gov is going to sell it all off...oh wait a minute they cant the NHS is DEVOLVED.... Are you really mental? Honestly I despair, do.you actually know what devolution means? Go and look it up, sick to death of some people reading a word then making up what they think it means.

Holyrood is NOT responsible for the Scottish public purse in terms of cash in the kitty, only how its spent.

D I S T R U B U T I O N I spelled it our in big words for you on case you.miss it

This type of reply is exactly why a lot of people are put off getting involved in anything to do with the Referendum Debate!

Talking down to people and telling them to "Go read a book other than something with pop ups" just shows you really don't want to hear anyone else's _iews, you just want to try to put them down and attempt to make fun of them with snide comments

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow ish

"Devolution is so unfair and unethical it poses a question of equality.

So the question for me is simple, if Wales, Scotland and NI are all allowed assemblies how come England don't have one?

Interesting....... "

Because they voted against it.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Assemblies_(Preparations)_Act_2003

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_England_devolution_referendums,_2004

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

".....

Yes, I have made a complaint

Housing is devolved to Holyrood. Defence is a reserved matter.

Well there you go ANOTHER DEVOLVED issue that is with the SNP. Just like the NHS whish is DEVOLVED but lets IGNORE that FACT and scare the crap out of folks that the Tory/Lib Gov is going to sell it all off...oh wait a minute they cant the NHS is DEVOLVED.... Are you really mental? Honestly I despair, do.you actually know what devolution means? Go and look it up, sick to death of some people reading a word then making up what they think it means.

Holyrood is NOT responsible for the Scottish public purse in terms of cash in the kitty, only how its spent.

D I S T R U B U T I O N I spelled it our in big words for you on case you.miss it

Yes I know what it means and the Scottish Gov can raise taxes if they want in order to raise money. They can also borrow money if they want.

You are being rather nasty and this is the thing that I see time and time again from some of the YES supporters.

It seems you cant be civil in a conversation but have to revert to insults.

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

".....

Yes, I have made a complaint

Housing is devolved to Holyrood. Defence is a reserved matter.

Well there you go ANOTHER DEVOLVED issue that is with the SNP. Just like the NHS whish is DEVOLVED but lets IGNORE that FACT and scare the crap out of folks that the Tory/Lib Gov is going to sell it all off...oh wait a minute they cant the NHS is DEVOLVED.... Are you really mental? Honestly I despair, do.you actually know what devolution means? Go and look it up, sick to death of some people reading a word then making up what they think it means.

Holyrood is NOT responsible for the Scottish public purse in terms of cash in the kitty, only how its spent.

D I S T R U B U T I O N I spelled it our in big words for you on case you.miss it

This type of reply is exactly why a lot of people are put off getting involved in anything to do with the Referendum Debate!

Well said BB and exactly what I have seen in other forums. If the YES folk cant put across their _iews in a sensible way like adults they try and belittle the people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Go read a book other than something with pop ups or in fact keeping shouting about coming no, it encourages me more to know for certain I want to vote yes.

Have a read of this then.. no pop ups.

Swiss bank Credit Suisse added to investors’ woes, predicting that Scotland would slump into a ‘deep recession’ if it becomes independent from the rest of the UK.

Or how about Paul Krugman.

Paul Krugman isn't a good example to use, no matter how plausible and clever his writing is (i have read quite a bit of his work) he has an agenda rather than being objective.

he was part of the team that gave us reaganomics.

he is an advocate of greater globalisation, to the extent that he wants to take control of trade from elected bodies and give it to global corporations, look how well that worked out with the banks.

And top all that he was one of a number of economic academics to received payment of $250,000 to write a report telling the world how fantastic the Icelandic banking sector was, guess what ? It wasnt !! Telling me that he will write whatever you want him to if the cheque is big enough.

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over a year ago

".....

Yes, I have made a complaint

Housing is devolved to Holyrood. Defence is a reserved matter.

Well there you go ANOTHER DEVOLVED issue that is with the SNP. Just like the NHS whish is DEVOLVED but lets IGNORE that FACT and scare the crap out of folks that the Tory/Lib Gov is going to sell it all off...oh wait a minute they cant the NHS is DEVOLVED.... Are you really mental? Honestly I despair, do.you actually know what devolution means? Go and look it up, sick to death of some people reading a word then making up what they think it means.

Holyrood is NOT responsible for the Scottish public purse in terms of cash in the kitty, only how its spent.

D I S T R U B U T I O N I spelled it our in big words for you on case you.miss it

This type of reply is exactly why a lot of people are put off getting involved in anything to do with the Referendum Debate!

Well said BB and exactly what I have seen in other forums. If the YES folk cant put across their _iews in a sensible way like adults they try and belittle the people. "

supporters of both sides are doing this, neither can claim any moral high ground in that regard.

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

".....

Yes, I have made a complaint

Housing is devolved to Holyrood. Defence is a reserved matter.

Well there you go ANOTHER DEVOLVED issue that is with the SNP. Just like the NHS whish is DEVOLVED but lets IGNORE that FACT and scare the crap out of folks that the Tory/Lib Gov is going to sell it all off...oh wait a minute they cant the NHS is DEVOLVED.... Are you really mental? Honestly I despair, do.you actually know what devolution means? Go and look it up, sick to death of some people reading a word then making up what they think it means.

Holyrood is NOT responsible for the Scottish public purse in terms of cash in the kitty, only how its spent.

D I S T R U B U T I O N I spelled it our in big words for you on case you.miss it

This type of reply is exactly why a lot of people are put off getting involved in anything to do with the Referendum Debate!

Well said BB and exactly what I have seen in other forums. If the YES folk cant put across their _iews in a sensible way like adults they try and belittle the people.

supporters of both sides are doing this, neither can claim any moral high ground in that regard."

The debate within this thread has been pretty decent but some folk on the YES side are being nasty now, no need for the petty name calling, swearing and being rude.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

".....

Yes, I have made a complaint

Housing is devolved to Holyrood. Defence is a reserved matter.

Well there you go ANOTHER DEVOLVED issue that is with the SNP. Just like the NHS whish is DEVOLVED but lets IGNORE that FACT and scare the crap out of folks that the Tory/Lib Gov is going to sell it all off...oh wait a minute they cant the NHS is DEVOLVED.... Are you really mental? Honestly I despair, do.you actually know what devolution means? Go and look it up, sick to death of some people reading a word then making up what they think it means.

Holyrood is NOT responsible for the Scottish public purse in terms of cash in the kitty, only how its spent.

D I S T R U B U T I O N I spelled it our in big words for you on case you.miss it

This type of reply is exactly why a lot of people are put off getting involved in anything to do with the Referendum Debate!

Well said BB and exactly what I have seen in other forums. If the YES folk cant put across their _iews in a sensible way like adults they try and belittle the people.

supporters of both sides are doing this, neither can claim any moral high ground in that regard.

The debate within this thread has been pretty decent but some folk on the YES side are being nasty now, no need for the petty name calling, swearing and being rude."

again your insisting on only highlighting one side when people supporting both sides are guilty of this behaviour.

most of us have either heard stories about both sides and/or experienced it ourselves, whether thats on the fab forums or in the real world.

Try simply condemning the behaviour no matter who it is.

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow ish

"Go read a book other than something with pop ups or in fact keeping shouting about coming no, it encourages me more to know for certain I want to vote yes.

Have a read of this then.. no pop ups.

Swiss bank Credit Suisse added to investors’ woes, predicting that Scotland would slump into a ‘deep recession’ if it becomes independent from the rest of the UK.

Or how about Paul Krugman.

Paul Krugman isn't a good example to use, no matter how plausible and clever his writing is (i have read quite a bit of his work) he has an agenda rather than being objective.

he was part of the team that gave us reaganomics.

he is an advocate of greater globalisation, to the extent that he wants to take control of trade from elected bodies and give it to global corporations, look how well that worked out with the banks.

And how much was Stiglitz paid to be on the "fiscal commission"?

Kettle, pot , black

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Go read a book other than something with pop ups or in fact keeping shouting about coming no, it encourages me more to know for certain I want to vote yes.

Have a read of this then.. no pop ups.

Swiss bank Credit Suisse added to investors’ woes, predicting that Scotland would slump into a ‘deep recession’ if it becomes independent from the rest of the UK.

Or how about Paul Krugman.

Paul Krugman isn't a good example to use, no matter how plausible and clever his writing is (i have read quite a bit of his work) he has an agenda rather than being objective.

he was part of the team that gave us reaganomics.

he is an advocate of greater globalisation, to the extent that he wants to take control of trade from elected bodies and give it to global corporations, look how well that worked out with the banks.

And how much was Stiglitz paid to be on the "fiscal commission"?

Kettle, pot , black"

I might be able to see your point if i had quoted Stiglitz somewhere

I simply pointed out to you some reasons why Krugman is a poor source to quote.

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow ish

Also Stiglitz was a member of the Clinton administration that repealed the Glass-Steagall act..

""Most notably in 1999, Clinton signed the Financial Services Modernization Act, which allowed banks, insurance companies and investment houses to merge and thus repealing the Glass-Steagall Act which had been in place since 1932. Some point to this as a partial cause of the financial meltdown of 2008""

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow ish

You pointed out the Iceland thing,

Do you think the fiscal commission did all that "work" for nothing?

Out of the goodness of their hearts?

He who pays the piper, calls the tune.

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

bedforshire

"Young people voting definitely

Non Scots born who live in Scotland defiantly

Scots born in Scotland and not living there out of order.

Scotland to weak to survive on its own give me a break.

England perm tory if we vote Yes garentee

Vote no and demand more real power. Oh sounds like the Boris Johnson brigade are popping in for a wee site at the cherry too.

Boris Johnson can kiss my kilted Ass!

As for you crawl back under your tartan tory rock! I apologise if you took my remark personally, it was aimed at what you said not who you are. I do not know you well enough to judge you.

Apology accepted.

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

bedforshire

"so I see the bbc are accused of blatantly lying again about Royal bank of Scotland and have been publically shot down by the bank themselves.

why do people support no when all they do is lie ?

If, a few years back, RBS and the others had made the announcement they did yesterday - Eck and his cronies would have been jumping up and down like scalded haggises (haggii?)

Hagum???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You pointed out the Iceland thing,

Do you think the fiscal commission did all that "work" for nothing?

Out of the goodness of their hearts?

He who pays the piper, calls the tune. "

I could understand this if i had quoted Stiglitz somewhere and you were trying to refute it, but this just seems like pointless havering in some sort of effort to score points in a non-existant contest.

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow ish

"You pointed out the Iceland thing,

Do you think the fiscal commission did all that "work" for nothing?

Out of the goodness of their hearts?

He who pays the piper, calls the tune.

I'm not trying to score points, just pointing out that those on the fiscal commission , trumpeted with a great fanfare, would have been paid.

"2 nobel Lauriates".

If I really wanted to points score I'd have used

Greek debt crisis

In 2010 Professor Stiglitz acted as an advisor to the Greek government. He appeared on Bloomberg TV for an inter_iew on the risks of Greece defaulting, in which he stated that he was very confident that Greece would not default. He went on to say that Greece was under "speculative attack" and though it had "short-term liquidity problems... and would benefit from Solidarity Bonds", the country was "on track to meet its obligations".

Cough!

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over a year ago

"You pointed out the Iceland thing,

Do you think the fiscal commission did all that "work" for nothing?

Out of the goodness of their hearts?

He who pays the piper, calls the tune.

I'm not trying to score points, just pointing out that those on the fiscal commission , trumpeted with a great fanfare, would have been paid.

"2 nobel Lauriates".

If I really wanted to points score I'd have used

Greek debt crisis

Cough!"

and still i am at a loss as to why you think quoting Stiglitz at me has any kind of point when i have not made any claims about him or his work

all you are doing is backing up the concept that some economists and academics will write and/or say what you want if you pay them enough, which is the point i made to you about Krugman.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jane D

Do you think I was maybe slightly being a little facetious when asking about why England doesn't have devolution/assemblies?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What's your opinion on the Governments hiding the McCrone report?

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"What's your opinion on the Governments hiding the McCrone report?"

whats your opion on the scottish gov and Donald Trump golf course...or Scottish Gov and freeing Libua bomber....hmmm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What's your opinion on the Governments hiding the McCrone report?

whats your opion on the scottish gov and Donald Trump golf course...or Scottish Gov and freeing Libua bomber....hmmm"

I emailed you in response to your reply to me that you shouted me down in this thread when I was expressing an opinion about the BBC's impartiality on the referendum. I pointed out that you used capitals and informed you that you cannot treat people like that on a forum and not expect a response in kind. You told me to grow up. I sent a further email asking saying I.hoped you would take responsibility but I expect you won't and will come crying back.on here that someone took your ball and bullied you.

My _iews on the points you raised are simple.

Donald Trump will bring more money and attract economic growth with both his plans for Aberdeen and Troon.

Abdel Basset al Megrahi was subjected to legal process and was found guilty, due process was followed as was Scottish legislation in terms of compassionate release, the man subsequently died of the disease he was compassionately released for. I think he probably suffered a great deal, I think he served a requisite amount of time in a foreign prison for which his crimes required and was punished accordingly.

So, back to the.McCrone report? What do.you think about that?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Megrahi didn't spend ANY time in a foreign prison.

In releasing him, MacAskill seriously pissed off the Yanks and they've never forgiven him or the SNP.

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over a year ago

"Megrahi didn't spend ANY time in a foreign prison.

In releasing him, MacAskill seriously pissed off the Yanks and they've never forgiven him or the SNP."

Abdel Basset al Megrahi was a Libyan national, therefore any time spent in a Scottish prison was foreign to him. Im see you knew this and were about to reply saying so, after you thought about it or course and were not just shouting opinions.

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By *ethany10Couple
over a year ago

falkirk

Salmon(d) and Sturgeon are like fish out of water

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

YES YES YES

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"YES YES YES"

You better watch out Beenabadboy will be along to tell you off for shouting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"YES YES YES

You better watch out Beenabadboy will be along to tell you off for shouting.

"
ooooh getting bitchy pmsl mwah x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"YES YES YES"
Kiss

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

bedforshire

"YES YES YES"

It's a no no no from me. Unless you ask very nicely with chocolate.

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

bedforshire

"Salmon(d) and Sturgeon are like fish out of water

YES I have wondered If the tartan tory SNP were sponsored by the Scotish fish farm industry as an advertising campaign.

I think we should be told.