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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

If your Scottish you will know what I'm talking about, curious to people's thoughts, I'm a yes voter and have already voted so no need to change my mind as the deal is done

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not voting here

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

No

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No"

It's a No from us.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"No

It's a No from us."

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By *976scottMan
over a year ago

North Lanarkshire

It's a No from me!

I'm Scottish and very proud of it and resent that people don't think your patriotic by voting No!

I also think the SNP have done a decent job since they came to power!

However I am still not convinced that we would be better off by going alone, it seems too easy for the SNP to blame everything that's wrong on Westminster and while they are campaigning for independence they can also promise the Earth but the reality is that it still has to be funded! After the yes vote they could turn around and say that they can no longer afford to find the policies! How many political parties have done a u turn on promises when they get into power?

Rant over, is this not a swinging site?

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By *anarkshirelassCouple
over a year ago

lanarkshire

Nope for me.

Republic of Scotland just doesn't seem to have the right ring for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes yes yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would be first in the Q to vote yes but the figures still don't add up.

I feel the SNP just blank any serious critisim of any off there plans or polices.

In saying that the no campaign is not much better run.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

am a nationalist, but am not letting my heart rule my head, for many of the reasons mentioned by previous posters so its a NO from me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm still undecided.

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By *dub67Man
over a year ago

glasgow

It's a yes for me

If we don't take this opportunity now. I doubt we will ever get another chance.

Yes I have swayed back and forth.

We are a proud nation. Look at what we have given the world.

Yes I know we have our problems every country does.

The ferguson shipyard is a prime example that would have gone to the wall. Nobody would have said a thing.

I am not an snp supporter.

Do we really want to vote labour and get a Tory government all the time. Speaking of the Tories this is a party that wants to take us out of Europe. The No campaign has offered nothing to make us stay.

Yes I know there is issues to sort out. Don't get me wrong it will be hard work

If it is a yes vote you can vote in a party you want to govern Scotland. Crash helmet on lol

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

A No from me.

Just read another newspaper article about NHS privatisation under the SNP (not the Daily Mail!) and how they have just awarded a big contract to a private company but kept it quiet.

I hate hyprocrasy and being two faced. After all their propaganda about the NHS being safe in their hands they do what they condemn. Shame on them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nooooo from me too many unanswered questions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Definate YES here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nooooo from me too many unanswered questions "
This

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By *aucy MikeCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"It's a yes for me

If we don't take this opportunity now. I doubt we will ever get another chance.

Yes I have swayed back and forth.

We are a proud nation. Look at what we have given the world.

Yes I know we have our problems every country does.

The ferguson shipyard is a prime example that would have gone to the wall. Nobody would have said a thing.

I am not an snp supporter.

Do we really want to vote labour and get a Tory government all the time. Speaking of the Tories this is a party that wants to take us out of Europe. The No campaign has offered nothing to make us stay.

Yes I know there is issues to sort out. Don't get me wrong it will be hard work

If it is a yes vote you can vote in a party you want to govern Scotland. Crash helmet on lol "

Well put. Yes things will be hard but the SNP would only be in power until the next election in 2016 by which time we'd be fully independent of Westminster. Are you not sick of getting a government you've not voted for and no matter what, will not be held to account? And anyone who doesn't vote in this, don't moan about the outcome. Sx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just on the news today, the currency thing, Alex and his lovely counter threat of...if we dont get to

use the existing currency then we can just not pay our chunk of national debt. That would be classed as defaulting. Take yer pick how westminster would claw some back. Because we would not be part of the uk nation im guessing your national pension would , after clever disscusions be

classed as not recognised by them for the simple reason your technically now not part of that nation.

Im crazy ? We do remember what happened to some previous private pensions ? Zapped...gone because of wording and terms and conditions etc.

And because we would be so bloody proud and independant, still would'nt help us in the end. No amount of "but you cant do that" , would stop it, why? Why not...separate country, diffrent rules....we could'nt would not have much of a say in what they chose to do,,, just like scotland wants too in fact.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some people shouting YES im quite sure have'nt quite got their heads round what full independance would be.

Do you think its going to be like a cosy lovely amicable divorce? Still be best friends but just be apart..lol. wont be !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just on the news today, the currency thing, Alex and his lovely counter threat of...if we dont get to

use the existing currency then we can just not pay our chunk of national debt. That would be classed as defaulting. Take yer pick how westminster would claw some back. Because we would not be part of the uk nation im guessing your national pension would , after clever disscusions be

classed as not recognised by them for the simple reason your technically now not part of that nation.

Im crazy ? We do remember what happened to some previous private pensions ? Zapped...gone because of wording and terms and conditions etc.

And because we would be so bloody proud and independant, still would'nt help us in the end. No amount of "but you cant do that" , would stop it, why? Why not...separate country, diffrent rules....we could'nt would not have much of a say in what they chose to do,,, just like scotland wants too in fact."

as you say you are guessing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

True....i often think someones guessing at it too when you ask them about a concern i have and they say....."it'll be fine".

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By *owayjose8Man
over a year ago

dundee

It's a yes from me i would rather die a poor Scotsman than be told how to run my country from a foreign government.ask what you can do for your country not what your country can do for you.and stop all this rubbish thinking what's in it for you

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east

If you asked me 6 months ago id be 100% NO .....after all the lies and scare mongering from westminster its now 100% YES

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By *lue4youCouple
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

Tony plays with George, Barrak plays with Davie, Eddie plays with anyone that lets him in the game. Nigel he's the bully that's gonna take them all. If he gets his way all Non Brits against the wall... not a place I'd wanna live in It's a massive yes vote

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Scottish and proud so I'm saving my country by voting NO

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow ish

Most of you probably know what I'm gonna vote..

Its - No.

As for Ferguson shipbuilding. Strange how they're being promised support now it's owned buy an snp supporter.

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By *tormountCouple
over a year ago

Near You

Its a resounding No from us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Most of you probably know what I'm gonna vote..

Its - No.

As for Ferguson shipbuilding. Strange how they're being promised support now it's owned buy an snp supporter."

The yard went bust due to the lack of commercial orders nothing to do with Westminster.

However the Scottish government could have awarded some of the Cal mac orders to Fergusons and not to Poland. !!!

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow ish


"Most of you probably know what I'm gonna vote..

Its - No.

As for Ferguson shipbuilding. Strange how they're being promised support now it's owned buy an snp supporter.

The yard went bust due to the lack of commercial orders nothing to do with Westminster.

However the Scottish government could have awarded some of the Cal mac orders to Fergusons and not to Poland. !!!"

I know! But the issue with the Cal Mac ferries is due to European regulations regards tendering.

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By *ustFFWoman
over a year ago

ayrshire


"It's a yes from me i would rather die a poor Scotsman than be told how to run my country from a foreign government.ask what you can do for your country not what your country can do for you.and stop all this rubbish thinking what's in it for you "

But Scotland want to join the EU !! won't that be another country telling you how to run your country ?? I am personally fed up with Brussels telling us what laws we can keep and what we can't... they stopped our bendy cucumbers ffs How can that make Scotland totally independant ??

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By *uboCouple
over a year ago

East kilbride

It is 2 YES votes for us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Awsome, bureaux de change before you hop on yer 50min flight to London ?

Held in a huge queue at passport check when you come back, Freedom indeed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes.

Inform yourselves!

This is momentous

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No thanks here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes all the way Scottish and proud

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge


"Yes.

Inform yourselves!

This is momentous "
it is momentous thats why its no

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well be better off on our own fuck what the papers/news say !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

noticed in last nites debate none of the no ppl could tell us what all these new powers we are going to get,also think all the right wing labour westminister mps are just looking out for themselves so they can stay on they gravy train ,still a yes here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes.

Inform yourselves!

This is momentous it is momentous thats why its no"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes all the way Scottish and proud "
No voters are equally as proud. How does shoutin yer proud sort it all out ?? Incredible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cos am proud tae go independent an no listen to any other cunts as long as that cool wae you big chief

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Awsome, bureaux de change before you hop on yer 50min flight to London ?

Held in a huge queue at passport check when you come back, Freedom indeed "

oh is this a bit of scaremongering

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

it has got to be YES

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Awsome, bureaux de change before you hop on yer 50min flight to London ?

Held in a huge queue at passport check when you come back, Freedom indeed

oh is this a bit of scaremongering "
Its realistic,, stood in passport check in edinburgh airport for nearly an hour coming back from europe (another country) thats bad enough. Airport regulations wont change just cause yer comin back from england and theres sometimes four or five flights landing within minutes of each other from heathrow, gatwick and stanstead etc. And thats just coming back. Be classed as an international arrival when you land in london too....more security checks and passport control.Heathrow can cope....doubt edinburgh or glasgow could.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"noticed in last nites debate none of the no ppl could tell us what all these new powers we are going to get,also think all the right wing labour westminister mps are just looking out for themselves so they can stay on they gravy train ,still a yes here "
Aye i noticed a few things too. Nicola had done the same halfday course on how to look as if you have expert knowledge via correct hand use,,, hands together by fingertip to fingertip conveys knowledge of what yer talkin about apparently. Ohh and an actress.... very apt....nae expert but she did put in a preformance of a kind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes all the way Scottish and proud No voters are equally as proud. How does shoutin yer proud sort it all out ?? Incredible."

I'm proud to be Scottish and still voting NO

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Definitely a yes from us cant see how putting £54 billion from the Scottish economy into a high speed rail link running between London and France is gonna benefit Scotland.and we also put over £50 billion into the uk treasury and only get £34 billion back? And Scotland has only a 5 percent say in West minister on how our country is run when it should be a 25 percent say !!!

If we're are better together why the need for food banks ???

Time for change !!! Its not Alex salmond we are voting here its our future and our kids future

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

Pretty sure the need for food banks wont disappear

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By *ootlover456Man
over a year ago

Paisley

im voting yes.

I will not be lumped with a goddamned ukip government

also there are no unanswered questions if you take the time to research for your self and remember that every single media source has been telling blatant lies and trying to spread fear and doubt.

this is why there's going to be an independent re_iew of the media in 2016 because of all the lies they've been found to be spreading in support of the no campaign.

I have difficulty seeing how one can look at the state this country is in now and actually vote to keep it that way. or make it worse.

because straight up is its a no vote your voting to in the next five years have all powers stripped from Scotland because this vote has insulted Westminster and at first they'll pretend to be gracious about it. but afterwards they will privatise your NHS stick more nuclear waste up here and take every resource Scotland has. holyrood will be returned to westminister in spirit of togetherness and new laws will be put in place denying Scotland's power to have another vote.

and when that damned ukip government get in. Scotland's just another foreign country to them. how long before they take our recourses and close their border to us, like they want to do to everyone else.

if im wrong then fair enough. but if im right you will the people who destroyed your country.

ask yourself the question. - if were so better together then why are we so bad now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its a simple No. There is absolutely no factual evidence that shows we will be any better off with a yes.

For that reason im out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No from us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Awsome, bureaux de change before you hop on yer 50min flight to London ?

Held in a huge queue at passport check when you come back, Freedom indeed

oh is this a bit of scaremongering Its realistic,, stood in passport check in edinburgh airport for nearly an hour coming back from europe (another country) thats bad enough. Airport regulations wont change just cause yer comin back from england and theres sometimes four or five flights landing within minutes of each other from heathrow, gatwick and stanstead etc. And thats just coming back. Be classed as an international arrival when you land in london too....more security checks and passport control.Heathrow can cope....doubt edinburgh or glasgow could."

just as it is now then ,so you are scaremongering

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Classed as internal domestic flight just now, same country and all that good stuff. International flight category if independant....bit of passport control etc before you get out airport... Freedom... yes yes

.etc..lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Classed as internal domestic flight just now, same country and all that good stuff. International flight category if independant....bit of passport control etc before you get out airport... Freedom... yes yes

.etc..lol"

But it means I'll be a foreigner

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Classed as internal domestic flight just now, same country and all that good stuff. International flight category if independant....bit of passport control etc before you get out airport... Freedom... yes yes

.etc..lol

But it means I'll be a foreigner "

dinnae you worry specs, you wont be a foreigner.

you'll be a friend from another land

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Classed as internal domestic flight just now, same country and all that good stuff. International flight category if independant....bit of passport control etc before you get out airport... Freedom... yes yes

.etc..lol

But it means I'll be a foreigner

dinnae you worry specs, you wont be a foreigner.

you'll be a friend from another land "

Aww thanks bino.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a no in this household. The reasons why are long, well researched, debated and thought out.

So long as everyone who votes can say they did the same then I will accept whatever outcome happens on the 19th

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge


"It's a no in this household. The reasons why are long, well researched, debated and thought out.

So long as everyone who votes can say they did the same then I will accept whatever outcome happens on the 19th "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not registered to vote so not voting but if I was it would be a YES/AYE

The whole thing about the banks pulling out down in England is just scare mongering to get what they want, if they did that they would ruin an entire country all the innocent people that aren't politicians woul suffer & 5 years from now we'd probably be in another civil war war Scotland vs England !AGAIN!

I don't like any politicians but Alex salmond & his party atleast they're saying its not about what they want it's what the scottish people want

But that alistair darling is a slimy wee weasel a dont k ow what it is about him but a cringe every time a see him he's supposed to be scottish but sounds English WTF & every one of his arguments or speech's end with talking about our children & they're children & the elderly he's using psychology to prey on the sympathy of people it's mentalism for politicians.

Ye or no I don't care what happens but I think the country will do fine if it is a yes & if it doesn't we can always make a plea with Obama to become the 51st state

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not a chance

No all the way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely NO NO NO!!!!

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Some people shouting YES im quite sure have'nt quite got their heads round what full independance would be.

Do you think its going to be like a cosy lovely amicable divorce? Still be best friends but just be apart..lol. wont be !"

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By *ife in furCouple
over a year ago

glasgow

yes no more tory governments, more cuts to come, next general election tory/ukip be scared.

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By *ary_ArgyllMan
over a year ago

Argyll

Yes, No,Yes, No

Should be an option of can't make my fucking mind up!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Definitely yes!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No plus already posted vote so no matter what I hear now till 18th can't change my vote. I'm proud to be Scottish but when asked my nationality I'm always British and proud to be able to say I'm both. If everything that yes campaign claim did come true it does sound mostly appealing as I do agree with things such as free tuition fees prescriptions etc. But there's so much unknown I don't trust yes enough that it will be what they say too much of a risk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's a no in this household. The reasons why are long, well researched, debated and thought out.

So long as everyone who votes can say they did the same then I will accept whatever outcome happens on the 19th "

well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's a no in this household. The reasons why are long, well researched, debated and thought out.

So long as everyone who votes can say they did the same then I will accept whatever outcome happens on the 19th

well said "

oh apart from the no lol,totally agree with rest .

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By *stwoCouple
over a year ago

anywhere

Resounding no

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes all the way Scottish and proud No voters are equally as proud. How does shoutin yer proud sort it all out ?? Incredible."

How come you didn't weigh in with this comment at all the naysayers who said it before him? Or did you just hope we wouldn't notice your usual partisan patronising?

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By *icolWoman
over a year ago

glasgow

So sorry for no voters 20 pieces of silver....stand up and be counted for once in your life for God's sake! If you don't like the result move down to England....that's were all you people still think we have an empire...read your history....did anyone vote for a union? Ermmm no...bribed and conned...free the country and let it shine....god help us for a no vote. Kiss your NHS goodbye

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So sorry for no voters 20 pieces of silver....stand up and be counted for once in your life for God's sake! If you don't like the result move down to England....that's were all you people still think we have an empire...read your history....did anyone vote for a union? Ermmm no...bribed and conned...free the country and let it shine....god help us for a no vote. Kiss your NHS goodbye "

there is a march against the privasisation going on now from jarrow to london not in the news or papers!!wonder why ?

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By *ood at oralMan
over a year ago

kirkcaldy

Its a no from me already heard if Scotland votes yes a huge logistics company is moving out off Scotland along with possibly Terex who make earth moving equipment goin also

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By *aucy MikeCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"Its a no from me already heard if Scotland votes yes a huge logistics company is moving out off Scotland along with possibly Terex who make earth moving equipment goin also"

More scaremongering! Who says they weren't already going and just using this as an excuse. FFS!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not voting!!! ...mr...... I don't want either an Indy Scotland or to remain on a leash to the English ....

I think it would be a wasted vote if I used it and didn't/don't fully understand what's on offer !!!!

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By *ood at oralMan
over a year ago

kirkcaldy

Not scaremongering atall the logistics company has 3 massive sites in paisley newhouse and grangemouth and do alot off work for scotch whisky industry there offices are In England and they have said they will go

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow ish


"So sorry for no voters 20 pieces of silver....stand up and be counted for once in your life for God's sake! If you don't like the result move down to England....that's were all you people still think we have an empire...read your history....did anyone vote for a union? Ermmm no...bribed and conned...free the country and let it shine....god help us for a no vote. Kiss your NHS goodbye "

Wow. Just wow. Yer all traitors!

A lovely example of a 'fairer, more equal Scotland"

Maybe Floyd had it right...

"In derelict sidings the poppies entwine 

With cattle trucks lying in wait for the next time."

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By *z ThongzWoman
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

Imagine Scotland already had independence and we were about to have a referendum to join the union.

Could the pro union side convince us that getting together would be better after we were told what would happen to scotland after such a union ? This would be some bullet points from such a campaign.

. your main parliament will move 600 miles away, and your mps will be in a tiny minority and will therefore have limited ability to effect policy on your behalf .

. Scotland will get a government it didnt vote for.

. All your oil and gas revenue will be handed to the treasury in London.

. Even though not one inch of track will touch Scottish soil your tax payers will contribute £4.2bn to the HS2 project.

. Your taxpayers will also subsidise the crossrail project to the tune of £4.2bn

. The biggest nuclear weapons facility in Western Europe will be built on the river clyde just 30 miles from your largest city.

. Even though you only have 8.2% of the uk,s population you will contribute 9.9% of the uks total tax take yet will only receive 9.3% of that tax take back to spend in scotland (you will lose £4.4bn to the uk treasury)

.You will devolve all the economic levers you have used to shape your economy directly to London and will now only have 7% of your economy.

. Even thought 79% of your mps voted against it we will privitise you publicy owned mail service.

. Even though 91% of your MPs voted against the bedroom tax in you parliament , we will impose it .

. Even though 82% of your MPs believed that a VAT increase would be detrimental to your economy , we will impose a VAT increase.

. You will join a country whose health and education services are rapidly being privitised

.Now and again you'll get dragged into illegal foreign war.

.An austerity budget will be imposed from London cutting jobs and threatening vital public services even though 81% of you MP's voted against the cuts .

.The financial regulation system will be so weak and so lax that your whole economy will be brought to the brink of collapse .

.The most weak and vulnerable in society, instead of getting the protection and support they deserve will be interrogated and humiliated in an effort to get the off the meagre levels of support to which they are entitled.

Who in Scotland would vote for such a package ?

Who would vote for that union ?

So why would anyone vote to remain in that union now ?

This is about democratic ownership , social responsibility and the fact that scotland on its own will be economically stronger from day one of independence.

This was not written by me , but I found it interesting reading and thought i would post it here . Food for thought .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No No No

Sorry I'm Scottish and very proud to be but it's not about that.

To be honest I trust the fat controller as far as I could throw him and for me he is full of wind and piss.

I wonder what would happen if we did become Independent and it went Pete Tong who would bail us out?.

There are too many things that just don't add up here and don't make sense to vote yes.

So for me it's a NO go and we are better staying as we are.

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By *z ThongzWoman
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

Remember there would be an election after the referendum should scotland vote for independence so you are not voting for alex salmond.

I would just urge people to research all you can , make an informed decision , regardless of what you decide just go and vote , so this can be democratically decided by the majority of scotland and not of a small turn out .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As I stated earlier on this thread, I'm still undecided but for anyone to vote NO because of Alex Salmond or the SNP is ludicrous!

Scotland won't be independant for a few years IF the yes vote wins and the people of Scotland will get to vote who leads the country and if they don't like that then they will get to change it at an election.

I've done nothing but listen to debates and read stuff on it and I'm still undecided. What I will say tho is I've always been a NO but I'm probably 60/40 in favour of a YES at the moment.

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow ish


"Remember there would be an election after the referendum should scotland vote for independence so you are not voting for alex salmond.

"

May 5th 2016 to be precise.

Until then we'll still have the current scottish government. So unless Alex is going to fall on his claymore and call a snap election - that's who will guide the "negotiations with westminster" in the event of a yes vote.

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over a year ago


"Imagine Scotland already had independence and we were about to have a referendum to join the union.

Could the pro union side convince us that getting together would be better after we were told what would happen to scotland after such a union ? This would be some bullet points from such a campaign.

. your main parliament will move 600 miles away, and your mps will be in a tiny minority and will therefore have limited ability to effect policy on your behalf .

. Scotland will get a government it didnt vote for.

. All your oil and gas revenue will be handed to the treasury in London.

. Even though not one inch of track will touch Scottish soil your tax payers will contribute £4.2bn to the HS2 project.

. Your taxpayers will also subsidise the crossrail project to the tune of £4.2bn

. The biggest nuclear weapons facility in Western Europe will be built on the river clyde just 30 miles from your largest city.

. Even though you only have 8.2% of the uk,s population you will contribute 9.9% of the uks total tax take yet will only receive 9.3% of that tax take back to spend in scotland (you will lose £4.4bn to the uk treasury)

.You will devolve all the economic levers you have used to shape your economy directly to London and will now only have 7% of your economy.

. Even thought 79% of your mps voted against it we will privitise you publicy owned mail service.

. Even though 91% of your MPs voted against the bedroom tax in you parliament , we will impose it .

. Even though 82% of your MPs believed that a VAT increase would be detrimental to your economy , we will impose a VAT increase.

. You will join a country whose health and education services are rapidly being privitised

.Now and again you'll get dragged into illegal foreign war.

.An austerity budget will be imposed from London cutting jobs and threatening vital public services even though 81% of you MP's voted against the cuts .

.The financial regulation system will be so weak and so lax that your whole economy will be brought to the brink of collapse .

.The most weak and vulnerable in society, instead of getting the protection and support they deserve will be interrogated and humiliated in an effort to get the off the meagre levels of support to which they are entitled.

Who in Scotland would vote for such a package ?

Who would vote for that union ?

So why would anyone vote to remain in that union now ?

This is about democratic ownership , social responsibility and the fact that scotland on its own will be economically stronger from day one of independence.

This was not written by me , but I found it interesting reading and thought i would post it here . Food for thought . "
And a whole load of england subjected to the same changes are equally Now as peeved with bedroom tax etc, was it mentioned in the governments plans when they were trying their darndest to get voted in? No.

Will it of done enough harm to get them un elected next election? Yes i think so.

And thats politics, how it works.

Where it does not work, is when you have a new generation of people blissfully unaware of past political history and vote with about as much seriousness as someone picking their favourite on x factor. 16 yr olds shouting yes, voting yes, they will be fully familiar with recent political history ? No, not really, but it ups Alex chances, just crafty.

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By *ardnh0rnyMan
over a year ago

Livingston

Its an aye from me. And if it doesn't happen it'll be a bye because I don't want to live in a country where we have no say in the running n of it and get treated like crap by Westminster.

And I'm not moving to England I'd after be French, Spanish or any nationality than be classed as one of them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

May your choices reflect your hopes, not your fears

I'll be voting YES

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Most of you probably know what I'm gonna vote..

Its - No.

As for Ferguson shipbuilding. Strange how they're being promised support now it's owned buy an snp supporter."

Who lives in Monaco! He obviously likes living in an Independent country...just not this one!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I see fabsters are not immune to using the same nonsense scare tactics as so many others. I'll always be British and Scottish whether it's yes or no win. I saw somethin about Scotland being treated worse if is a no vote frankly wouldn't be surprised as uk have prob had enough of Scotland going on about going independent how much they dislike being part of the uk.

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over a year ago


"Imagine Scotland already had independence and we were about to have a referendum to join the union.

Could the pro union side convince us that getting together would be better after we were told what would happen to scotland after such a union ? This would be some bullet points from such a campaign.

. your main parliament will move 600 miles away, and your mps will be in a tiny minority and will therefore have limited ability to effect policy on your behalf .

. Scotland will get a government it didnt vote for.

. All your oil and gas revenue will be handed to the treasury in London.

. Even though not one inch of track will touch Scottish soil your tax payers will contribute £4.2bn to the HS2 project.

. Your taxpayers will also subsidise the crossrail project to the tune of £4.2bn

. The biggest nuclear weapons facility in Western Europe will be built on the river clyde just 30 miles from your largest city.

. Even though you only have 8.2% of the uk,s population you will contribute 9.9% of the uks total tax take yet will only receive 9.3% of that tax take back to spend in scotland (you will lose £4.4bn to the uk treasury)

.You will devolve all the economic levers you have used to shape your economy directly to London and will now only have 7% of your economy.

. Even thought 79% of your mps voted against it we will privitise you publicy owned mail service.

. Even though 91% of your MPs voted against the bedroom tax in you parliament , we will impose it .

. Even though 82% of your MPs believed that a VAT increase would be detrimental to your economy , we will impose a VAT increase.

. You will join a country whose health and education services are rapidly being privitised

.Now and again you'll get dragged into illegal foreign war.

.An austerity budget will be imposed from London cutting jobs and threatening vital public services even though 81% of you MP's voted against the cuts .

.The financial regulation system will be so weak and so lax that your whole economy will be brought to the brink of collapse .

.The most weak and vulnerable in society, instead of getting the protection and support they deserve will be interrogated and humiliated in an effort to get the off the meagre levels of support to which they are entitled.

Who in Scotland would vote for such a package ?

Who would vote for that union ?

So why would anyone vote to remain in that union now ?

This is about democratic ownership , social responsibility and the fact that scotland on its own will be economically stronger from day one of independence.

This was not written by me , but I found it interesting reading and thought i would post it here . Food for thought . And a whole load of england subjected to the same changes are equally Now as peeved with bedroom tax etc, was it mentioned in the governments plans when they were trying their darndest to get voted in? No.

Will it of done enough harm to get them un elected next election? Yes i think so.

And thats politics, how it works.

Where it does not work, is when you have a new generation of people blissfully unaware of past political history and vote with about as much seriousness as someone picking their favourite on x factor. 16 yr olds shouting yes, voting yes, they will be fully familiar with recent political history ? No, not really, but it ups Alex chances, just crafty."

You may find the 16 and 17 year olds voting will know more than you give them credit for. Its an extremely important issue and one which will have a massive effect on their futures. The young people I work with could put many an adult to shame with their knowledge and understanding of the ramifications of it all so maybe don't be so quick to write them off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

8.2% of the uk population, so taxation and funding for all essential services etc, we remarkably/independantly can afford to maintain all that now and for ever ?

Our current government is a result of the voter being undecided as to which party to committ to, a coalition government.

Oil and gas are automatically Scotlands? Why? Just because we are geographically closer to the oil?

And certainly, when i was 16, i remember asking older people to explain to me the differing policies between labour and conservative because i simply never either bothered nor cared around about that age. But im sure if i was 16 and SNP collared me down my local high street with stories of how fantastic independance was going to be, loaded with no prior knowledge and just buying into all they told me, another independance voter i would become no doubt.

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By *mycdeeTV/TS
over a year ago

stirling

Scottish and proud , NO. Why gamble your house and savings on a bunch of wealthy Ego maniacs with nothing to back up all the promises.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

lets all just continue to pump London up ever bigger, and pay for the high speed link which doesn't even reach us.

UK government Policies are designed to suit the populist South, end London rule, control your own destiny.

It's a no brainer yes from me

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

Ever notice its the yes voters constantly banging on telling everyone what cowards they are or how foolish anyone who dosnt vote yes ffs we get it you think yes now give us peace maybe folk will be able to make an informed decision without the braveheart bayings ringing in their ears

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over a year ago


"Ever notice its the yes voters constantly banging on telling everyone what cowards they are or how foolish anyone who dosnt vote yes ffs we get it you think yes now give us peace maybe folk will be able to make an informed decision without the braveheart bayings ringing in their ears"

Haha

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Its an aye from me. And if it doesn't happen it'll be a bye because I don't want to live in a country where we have no say in the running n of it and get treated like crap by Westminster.

And I'm not moving to England I'd after be French, Spanish or any nationality than be classed as one of them"

You actually get an extra vote in Scotland as we have our own parliament so you actually have more of a say in the running of the country than the English so in theirs.

There are so many people on her with "wee man" syndrome shouting about the nasty Tories, nasty English.

We can vote out the Toty/Liberal coalition but we can't unvote independance.

I've had three meetings over the last wek with businesses and all said the same thing. Not enough information especially on currency is the main one.

People keep going on about "Posh Dave" yet say that you aren't voting for Alex salmond. Two faced or what????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Imagine Scotland already had independence and we were about to have a referendum to join the union.

Could the pro union side convince us that getting together would be better after we were told what would happen to scotland after such a union ? This would be some bullet points from such a campaign.

. your main parliament will move 600 miles away, and your mps will be in a tiny minority and will therefore have limited ability to effect policy on your behalf .

. Scotland will get a government it didnt vote for.

. All your oil and gas revenue will be handed to the treasury in London.

. Even though not one inch of track will touch Scottish soil your tax payers will contribute £4.2bn to the HS2 project.

. Your taxpayers will also subsidise the crossrail project to the tune of £4.2bn

. The biggest nuclear weapons facility in Western Europe will be built on the river clyde just 30 miles from your largest city.

. Even though you only have 8.2% of the uk,s population you will contribute 9.9% of the uks total tax take yet will only receive 9.3% of that tax take back to spend in scotland (you will lose £4.4bn to the uk treasury)

.You will devolve all the economic levers you have used to shape your economy directly to London and will now only have 7% of your economy.

. Even thought 79% of your mps voted against it we will privitise you publicy owned mail service.

. Even though 91% of your MPs voted against the bedroom tax in you parliament , we will impose it .

. Even though 82% of your MPs believed that a VAT increase would be detrimental to your economy , we will impose a VAT increase.

. You will join a country whose health and education services are rapidly being privitised

.Now and again you'll get dragged into illegal foreign war.

.An austerity budget will be imposed from London cutting jobs and threatening vital public services even though 81% of you MP's voted against the cuts .

.The financial regulation system will be so weak and so lax that your whole economy will be brought to the brink of collapse .

.The most weak and vulnerable in society, instead of getting the protection and support they deserve will be interrogated and humiliated in an effort to get the off the meagre levels of support to which they are entitled.

Who in Scotland would vote for such a package ?

Who would vote for that union ?

So why would anyone vote to remain in that union now ?

This is about democratic ownership , social responsibility and the fact that scotland on its own will be economically stronger from day one of independence.

This was not written by me , but I found it interesting reading and thought i would post it here . Food for thought . And a whole load of england subjected to the same changes are equally Now as peeved with bedroom tax etc, was it mentioned in the governments plans when they were trying their darndest to get voted in? No.

Will it of done enough harm to get them un elected next election? Yes i think so.

And thats politics, how it works.

Where it does not work, is when you have a new generation of people blissfully unaware of past political history and vote with about as much seriousness as someone picking their favourite on x factor. 16 yr olds shouting yes, voting yes, they will be fully familiar with recent political history ? No, not really, but it ups Alex chances, just crafty.

You may find the 16 and 17 year olds voting will know more than you give them credit for. Its an extremely important issue and one which will have a massive effect on their futures. The young people I work with could put many an adult to shame with their knowledge and understanding of the ramifications of it all so maybe don't be so quick to write them off."

My son turns 16 on Saturday therefore this will be his first vote, and I'm so proud that he is voting NO and the reasons he has gave me for doing so

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

My two sons are the same and voting No.

What worries me is the way the Yes campaign is being run.

A friend complained to her son's headmaster about one of his teachers going on about voting yes only to find that the headmaster was behind it!!

I was talking to a yes campaigner yesterday and he stood outside the Jobcentre getting people going in and out to sign "pledges" to vote Yes.

I was working at a kids fun run on Sunday and there was Yes people there handing out leaflets to the children who were not even old enough to vote.

It is getting too much like the Nazis are back. A mate went to a Yes rally and even he called it like a Numerberg rally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I for one voted. I one of the reasons was wanting to keep my job. I work for a uk insurance company with offices in Scotland and England. But if Scotland goes independent it's a foreign country so would cost them more employing people there so although they've not made it official I reckon they would move all to England if yes wins. Be daft not to. Plus the issue of currency would make things difficult. Yes says we will keep pound "it's our pound too" etc which isn't actually true. It's the great British pound. If Scotland's not part of Britain they can't use the pound

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By *ootlover456Man
over a year ago

Paisley

the bank of England was founded by a Scottish man. the pound sterling belongs to scotland

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow ish

RBS was founded by an English man.

Your point is. .?

It's not who founds it, it's who and where it's run by and for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hate the way its dividing the country. Hate this daft shouting about the way yer goin to vote. Never happens in an ordinary election.

If its a yes win it will be interesting if a tad anxiety causing.

If no wins....awsome i can feckin relax and carry on regardless.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the bank of England was founded by a Scottish man. the pound sterling belongs to scotland"

So what? It's the British pound so belongs to Britain. If Scotland's decided they won't be part of Britain then why should they be allowed to use it. Yes says all these things that sound nice but doesn't back it up with any facts. We actually won't know what happens till after vote goes through and negotiations start could take minimum 18 months to actually have things sorted. Yes is relying on good sounding marketing and the people who have this daft attitude of we hate the English. Can't wait for the nonsense to be over!

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over a year ago


"the bank of England was founded by a Scottish man. the pound sterling belongs to scotland

So what? It's the British pound so belongs to Britain. If Scotland's decided they won't be part of Britain then why should they be allowed to use it. "

Agreed. That's what makes me laugh the most. If they want out of Britain so badly why should they have the pound, the queen, everything that screams british and proud, etc etc when they're wanting to be 'Scottish' It's comical.

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By *ustcutieWoman
over a year ago

edinburgh


"Ever notice its the yes voters constantly banging on telling everyone what cowards they are or how foolish anyone who dosnt vote yes ffs we get it you think yes now give us peace maybe folk will be able to make an informed decision without the braveheart bayings ringing in their ears"

Shh I've told you, let them keep at it.... It's helping my block list grow no end

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the bank of England was founded by a Scottish man. the pound sterling belongs to scotland"

And "Rule Britannia" was written by a Scottish Man, is that the new Scottish National Anthem?

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By *z ThongzWoman
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

Its not like this in an ordinary election because even although folks vote it doesnt matter who scotland vote for because the scottish votes dont count about who gets voted into government.

I think people are passionate about this one because it truly matters how you vote.

I have not said anyone is stupid , daft or used any scare mongering when talking about it , I want people to make an informed choice based on true fact .

History is there for us all to read , how scotland have faired in the union is plain for all to see.

I can understand peoples fear of losing their jobs ,but this reiterates how people are voting because they are scared of these things .

I wont bay Braveheart or Freedom , I will bay , get off yer arse and vote , dont let the country have a 40% turn out which may or may not give you the result you hope for , if you want to have a say , get to the polling station and put your cross in which ever box you have decided upon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is no chance of a 40% vote, turnout will be 80% as everyone knows the importance of it

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By *z ThongzWoman
over a year ago

Lanarkshire


"There is no chance of a 40% vote, turnout will be 80% as everyone knows the importance of it "

I hope your right thats around the figure i hope for too , dont want a result based on less than half the country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Completely agree, if there is a big turnout nobody can moan about the result, however the losing side will anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Completely agree, if there is a big turnout nobody can moan about the result, however the losing side will anyway "

How very true. Sadly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As I am sure all the people that have not made their minds up are thinking they have not had all their questions answered by BOTH sides.

I have watched all the debates and I have an un answered question maybe some one can help me with.

Oil will be 20 % of Scotlands economy.

Oil was $148 dollars a barrel two years ago today it is £101 a barrel and these figures are for Brent Crude.

Once Lbyia, Syria , Iraq get there act together oil is going to pore onto the international market.

OPEC no longer have the power to keep the price of oil inflated.

So my question is what is the break even figure for Scotland where if the price falls below that our budget will suffer.

Or the price goes above that our economy booms ?

This is not an anti independence question just for my own curiosity !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A huge yes from me ,,,i decided many years ago on this question ..forget the politicians and forget the scaremongering ..im a scot and i want my own country some say this is wrong but heh its my feelings and i always follow it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The people who refuse to vote actually infuriate me more than the yes or no voters. If u want a say in anything vote ur opinion. If not then don't criticise either side or the end result. Everyone 16+ in Scotland is entitled to vote I can't think why u wouldn't. If u don't want to leave the house to do so fine sign up for postal vote. I have elderly relatives who struggle to walk the length of their room

On a bad day but they will be voting

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over a year ago


"As I am sure all the people that have not made their minds up are thinking they have not had all their questions answered by BOTH sides.

I have watched all the debates and I have an un answered question maybe some one can help me with.

Oil will be 20 % of Scotlands economy.

Oil was $148 dollars a barrel two years ago today it is £101 a barrel and these figures are for Brent Crude.

Once Lbyia, Syria , Iraq get there act together oil is going to pore onto the international market.

OPEC no longer have the power to keep the price of oil inflated.

So my question is what is the break even figure for Scotland where if the price falls below that our budget will suffer.

Or the price goes above that our economy booms ?

This is not an anti independence question just for my own curiosity !!"

Regrettably, there will be tame economists on both sides with different numbers, even independent, sorry, non aligned ones will all have a different number. Good question but don't hold your breath waiting for a real answer

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By *ootlover456Man
over a year ago

Paisley


"

Yes says all these things that sound nice but doesn't back it up with any facts."

that is actual nonsense. I personally have spend the last year and half providing facts and figures on behalf of the yes campaign proving that the no campaign spread fear and lies. and never once give a positive reason for remaining in the union.

if were better together why is our country is such a mess.

the pound belongs to Scotland its not a Britsh thing. we founded the bank of England and under Western capitalist society that makes it part our property. but since the no campaign have already officially announced that they were lying about Scotland no being able to use our own property what the point of even trying.

its as simple as Vote no. - continue to be controlled and lied to and treated like sheep.

vote yes. - have the chance to actually be listened to by your government.

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By *ootlover456Man
over a year ago

Paisley


" Can't wait for the nonsense to be over! "

do agree with that. its been going on for far to long and just causing tensions between people its ridiculous we should have just had the vote immediately and got it over with.

just want it done and over with

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge


"

Yes says all these things that sound nice but doesn't back it up with any facts.

that is actual nonsense. I personally have spend the last year and half providing facts and figures on behalf of the yes campaign proving that the no campaign spread fear and lies. and never once give a positive reason for remaining in the union.

if were better together why is our country is such a mess.

the pound belongs to Scotland its not a Britsh thing. we founded the bank of England and under Western capitalist society that makes it part our property. but since the no campaign have already officially announced that they were lying about Scotland no being able to use our own property what the point of even trying.

its as simple as Vote no. - continue to be controlled and lied to and treated like sheep.

vote yes. - have the chance to actually be listened to by your government.

"
sorry but it seems like the only person you proved your facts to was yourself what is the name of our currency

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge


"

Yes says all these things that sound nice but doesn't back it up with any facts.

that is actual nonsense. I personally have spend the last year and half providing facts and figures on behalf of the yes campaign proving that the no campaign spread fear and lies. and never once give a positive reason for remaining in the union.

if were better together why is our country is such a mess.

the pound belongs to Scotland its not a Britsh thing. we founded the bank of England and under Western capitalist society that makes it part our property. but since the no campaign have already officially announced that they were lying about Scotland no being able to use our own property what the point of even trying.

its as simple as Vote no. - continue to be controlled and lied to and treated like sheep.

vote yes. - have the chance to actually be listened to by your government.

"
sorry but it seems like the only person you proved your facts to was yourself what is the name of our currency is it scotish pound or is it the great british pound its the uk, s currency but hey we want free of you were taking no debt and were having the pound lol get real if as you say you have researched so hard why not give folk peace to do the same im voting no but feel no need to spout my findings let folk be if your right surely they will come to the same conclussion rather than lucky dipping as tired of reading nonsense

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Born a Brit...... Die a Brit......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hi guys already posted earlier

Still voting yes. Some very good points put over by both sides

And everyone has there own opinion which is fair enough

I for one hope for a yes vote

To be honest I can't stand alex salmond the bell end made me cringe when he pulled out a saltire after Andy Murray won

Wimbledon all I want is Scotland to have a bigger say in how our country is run after all we all want

What's best for us who knows how its gonna go but sometimes change is good

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By *ootlover456Man
over a year ago

Paisley


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Yes says all these things that sound nice but doesn't back it up with any facts.

that is actual nonsense. I personally have spend the last year and half providing facts and figures on behalf of the yes campaign proving that the no campaign spread fear and lies. and never once give a positive reason for remaining in the union.

if were better together why is our country is such a mess.

the pound belongs to Scotland its not a Britsh thing. we founded the bank of England and under Western capitalist society that makes it part our property. but since the no campaign have already officially announced that they were lying about Scotland no being able to use our own property what the point of even trying.

its as simple as Vote no. - continue to be controlled and lied to and treated like sheep.

vote yes. - have the chance to actually be listened to by your government.

sorry but it seems like the only person you proved your facts to was yourself what is the name of our currency is it scotish pound or is it the great british pound its the uk, s currency but hey we want free of you were taking no debt and were having the pound lol get real if as you say you have researched so hard why not give folk peace to do the same im voting no but feel no need to spout my findings let folk be if your right surely they will come to the same conclussion rather than lucky dipping as tired of reading nonsense"

well since the debt is a made up concept in the first place why should we pay it. since under current establishment it costs. approx £3 to print £1 . meaning the debt can never be payed off. so moot point.

I have for the most part left folk to do their own research. my findings have shown that they don't bother. they'd rather be spoon fed media lies and biased crap that take the time to bother learning things for themselves.

however I do agree that I am also tired of reading nonsense and with less than 2 weeks to go I don't see the point in trying to convince folk that firstly we never once said we wouldn't take on the debt. that was said in satire to the stupidity of announcing that one cannot use ones own currency regardless of the fact the same currency called the pound sterling is a global currency currently used in around 7 other countries much further away than here it doesn't belong to Britain, it was invented in Scotland and adapted by Britain. its also called the pound sterling not the great British pound that is only a term used to describe differences of inflation (another made up and stupid concept) that banks say occur in the other lands that as I say still use the pound sterling as their primary currency.

out of respect for others here yourself included however I will stop posting my _iews here as I do understand that it can be annoying and lets face it with under three weeks whats the point anyway if you haven't made up your minds your not going to. and I apologise to any others that have been bothered by my posts.

my final message will be sure you can vote no and keep things the same with all the media lies and bigotry, illegal wars, a damn large part of our population in poverty, foodbanks everywhere and more money than we get back going to subsidize England. you can even wait and hope they don't privatise the NHS and rob all Scotland's powers back to Westminster for the insult and you can put up with the possibility of a ukip government getting in power the exact same way the conservatives and libdems did this time round. or you can vote yes and be listened to. vote to change the while damn system if you wish and change your own country for the better put the effort in yourselves. its up to you.

apologies again for any ive bothered with my posts.

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow

Both voting no.

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"the bank of England was founded by a Scottish man. the pound sterling belongs to scotland"

Completely wrong. The USA was also founded by a number of Scots but it doesn't make me an American.

The pound Sterling is a UK currency and if we leave the UK we leave the currency.

If you remember the Greek crisis and it was thought that they were going to have to leave the Eurozone and go back to their old currency? Think Scotland and leaving the Union.

Did you watch the news tonight? Sir Tom Hunter light up the Edinburgh skyline with a message. "Tell us what currency, Alex". If a businessman like him doesn't know then no one knows.

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over a year ago


"the bank of England was founded by a Scottish man. the pound sterling belongs to scotland

Completely wrong. The USA was also founded by a number of Scots but it doesn't make me an American.

The pound Sterling is a UK currency and if we leave the UK we leave the currency.

If you remember the Greek crisis and it was thought that they were going to have to leave the Eurozone and go back to their old currency? Think Scotland and leaving the Union.

Did you watch the news tonight? Sir Tom Hunter light up the Edinburgh skyline with a message. "Tell us what currency, Alex". If a businessman like him doesn't know then no one knows."

Did Alex not even respond with a "it'll be fine" ?

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

After watching the news again about IS and the West's response what would an independant Scotland do?

Would we have a setup similar to MI5, MI6, Special Branch?

We hear a lot about currency but almost nothing on security.

Can a small country like Scotland defend her people effectively when the Army is going to be about 8,000 strong?

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"the bank of England was founded by a Scottish man. the pound sterling belongs to scotland

Completely wrong. The USA was also founded by a number of Scots but it doesn't make me an American.

The pound Sterling is a UK currency and if we leave the UK we leave the currency.

If you remember the Greek crisis and it was thought that they were going to have to leave the Eurozone and go back to their old currency? Think Scotland and leaving the Union.

Did you watch the news tonight? Sir Tom Hunter light up the Edinburgh skyline with a message. "Tell us what currency, Alex". If a businessman like him doesn't know then no one knows.

Did Alex not even respond with a "it'll be fine" ?"

He did what he always does with questions more difficult than "what's the time, Mister?" he just kept quiet and changed the subject.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's all just vote yes then have a huge sex party

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a big YES from us

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By *aucy MikeCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"The people who refuse to vote actually infuriate me more than the yes or no voters. If u want a say in anything vote ur opinion. If not then don't criticise either side or the end result. Everyone 16+ in Scotland is entitled to vote I can't think why u wouldn't. If u don't want to leave the house to do so fine sign up for postal vote. I have elderly relatives who struggle to walk the length of their room

On a bad day but they will be voting "

Well put. Sx

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By *aucy MikeCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"Let's all just vote yes then have a huge sex party "

Sounds like a plan Sx

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By *ustFFWoman
over a year ago

ayrshire

If it's a yes then i'm heading south with the big companies...

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

I was talking to a retired cop today who had a nest egg to invest and got in a financial advisor. His advice was to avoid any Scottish institutions in the event of a yes vote.

I got collared by a yes campaigner today that i have known for 30 years as a biker. He told me that they are briefed by an SNP official before going into the streets and today's briefing was to tell people that MI5 were manipulating the vote to ensure a no vote and that all fines levied in Scotland are sent to London. I asked him if he ever questioned the accuracy of what they are told. He shrugged and said that is what he is told to say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was talking to a retired cop today who had a nest egg to invest and got in a financial advisor. His advice was to avoid any Scottish institutions in the event of a yes vote.

I got collared by a yes campaigner today that i have known for 30 years as a biker. He told me that they are briefed by an SNP official before going into the streets and today's briefing was to tell people that MI5 were manipulating the vote to ensure a no vote and that all fines levied in Scotland are sent to London. I asked him if he ever questioned the accuracy of what they are told. He shrugged and said that is what he is told to say."

more of this one sided see them they're all nasty liars and manipulaters bollox.

It happens from bell ends on both campaigns, like the guy from no thanks/better together who decided to tell his pal that i was "one of they fenians thst want to turn Scotland into the next Ireland" just because i didnt want a leaflet from him.

If your going to criticise, then at least be fair and criticise both sides, even Onny is more honest and impartial.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"After watching the news again about IS and the West's response what would an independant Scotland do?

Would we have a setup similar to MI5, MI6, Special Branch?

We hear a lot about currency but almost nothing on security.

Can a small country like Scotland defend her people effectively when the Army is going to be about 8,000 strong?"

Seriously? Who is going to attack Scotland? Can you seriously base a point of order on that score?

We are voting yes and going forward with an independent nation and someone stands uo and says "eh haud oan, has anyone locked the back door? After all IS is hingin aboot ah heard"

What did we do.the last time terrorists of this ilk tried it.on? Was it an.army response or MI5 response (who.allegedly knew)?

No it was your man on the street, while the bombers were on fire no less.

Why do we need an army? The Swiss he a tiny army, so.much so with nothing to do.in their homeland they send most of them to the Vatican ffs

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Things have changed. 500 alleged jihadists from the UK that might come back and AS has said last week that he wants an open door policy on immigration for "talented" foreigners. I'm not suggesting we bring up the drawbridge but we all need to be careful. Never forget that it was not that long ago that we got caught with our pants down with the Glasgow Airport bombing.

It is no secret that I am biased on this issue but am also amazed at how well funded and organised the yes campaign is compared to the no campaign.

They are streets ahead on almost every front but both sides are guilty of twisting the truth but even the Yes campaigner today refused to say if he actually believed what he was told to say.

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

I've just be unfriended on facebook for posting what I thought was a jokey comment.

The lady in question had posted a list of statistics about Scotland from the Yes campaign. They included such gems as Scotland has 61% of the coastline and 20% of the sheep. I commented that I would have been devastated had it only been 58% and over the moon at 65%. I also asked if there was a breakdown on the sheep figures to exclude Aberdeen.

I also said we had 90% of the ospreys and more than 8.6% of heather.

seems that humour is the first causulty of this debate and that is sad as we all have to get along after the 18th somehow.

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By *lue4youCouple
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

Wonder how many of the better together politicians believe what they spout, with party self interest at the fore mmmm Mr Darling

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have any of you actual thought about the brave men and women of our armed forces. Those who lost their lives defending our country as in Great Britain. Has Mr Salmond actually said how he plans to defend his independent scotland. As for the gas and oil argument you just have to look at the Ukraine to see how that's going to pan out but knocked yourselves out with your yes votes. Just my opinion

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By *anbrCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Has anyone seen the fb post about the vote, which offers the alternative perspective- if the vote was to join in a union with England how would you vote? It then goes on to point out how it would affect us politically and financially. For instance, we will be contributing 4.2bn to HS2 yet it's of no benefit to us. Within 5 years, the projection is that the NHS in England will be privatised so your giving up your free prescriptions and treatments. You will pay 9.9% taxes into the treasury but get only 9.3% back. It goes on to list all the things that our mp's voted against but in this new union your voice would go unheard - would you vote to join this union?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Defo voting YES!

Why should we pay taxes only for the English to to allow MP's to exploit the expenses system, To fund a high speed rail link that doesn't come ANYWHERE near Scotland, to keep weapons of Mass Destruction in Scotland costing £6 BILLION every year, people who have genuine disabilities struggle due to being incorrectly taken off benefits (I know a few myself) To Vote YES means we could use the part of the trident fund, ours being around £1billion of the £6billion previously mentioned, to build a new state of the art hospital, better rail network in Scotland or even better allow free nursery places to children at a younger age to allow parents to go back to work rather than having a better life on benefits as the British government seem to think is ok for most to do!

Could you sing Flower of Scotland again passionately if you vote NO? NO!

Voting YES means you're a TRUE SCOT, voting NO means your a TRAITOR in my opinion to the rest of the country (I know lots won't like that). We're all entitled to our opinion.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

still NO

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I had a man & woman knock on my door yesterday and ask me who I was voting for, I said No.

I asked who they were, they answered 'they would rather not say'...

I left them quivering wrecks as I gave my opinion to them knocking at my door, asking and then not sharing....

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By *illi37Woman
over a year ago

glasgow

Oh its got to be NO THANKS im not taken in by wishful thinking and a "it will all work out promises" besides there isnt too much wrong just now xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Aye there might not be a lot wrong in your opinion, but what about the people who have to use food banks, the children that have junkies as parents and the aye does nothing for them? what about people scrounging off benefits because they get more money NOT to work? what about bedroom tax? what about lack of top class equipment in our hospitals that means people taking the child to another country to get the BEST treatment for him and Britain not even helping? what about illegal wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Ireland? I know this is a swinging site but do we want to always be fucked by Westminster? Time to say goodbye!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You're wrong there is no legal way a Westminster government can take away a devolved government. As for UKip, Scotland actually voted for a UKip MEP!

But also want to make it clear I am not a UKip supporter and am probably swinging towards a yes vote. It just frightens me that people can think like this!

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By *eaisgreenMan
over a year ago

Aberdour

Why would any sane person vote yes, its time people realised salmond is on an ego trip and sturgeon is his lap dog.

how can a country of 5 million people sustain itself when we produce nothing? when huge establishements who employ thousands of people will head south putting many out of work

when the north sea oil isn't owned by Scotland or uk all the revenue is from the tax. increase the tax and the oil companies slow down and produce elsewhere in the world

Get real folks and remember where you read it.

Vote NO

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By *ustcutieWoman
over a year ago

edinburgh


"Aye there might not be a lot wrong in your opinion, but what about the people who have to use food banks, the children that have junkies as parents and the aye does nothing for them? what about people scrounging off benefits because they get more money NOT to work? what about bedroom tax? what about lack of top class equipment in our hospitals that means people taking the child to another country to get the BEST treatment for him and Britain not even helping? what about illegal wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Ireland? I know this is a swinging site but do we want to always be fucked by Westminster? Time to say goodbye! "

Do you seriously think that it's all westminsters fault ??? Good god

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We produce nothing?

Educate yourself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh its got to be NO THANKS im not taken in by wishful thinking and a "it will all work out promises" besides there isnt too much wrong just now xx"

There isn't too much wrong?!

Please take the time to look about you.

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By *anbrCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh

how can you produce oil elsewhere!? Did you not see the recent postings on the web - before Cameron went on holiday - about the largest single oil find ever off of Lewis which was shut down by Cameron and men sent home on full pay and told not to announce it until AFTER 18th Sept. Cameron actually flew up north to meet everyone concerned and instruct the closure!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They have said there will be more money but not really said how they will give it back to Scotland. there are no plans to lower tax or do away with council tax or raise the minimum wage so how they can say I personal will have more money i do not have a clue so its a BIG NO for me

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By *r and Mrs SnogalotCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

It is okay folks, the outcome of a Yes vote will give us our freedom and we will prosper like Norway!

The oil will save us!

We send x amount to Westminster and don't get 100% back!

If you were considering moving to a new country would you hang your decision on facts or fiction and half truths.

Shy x

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By *illi37Woman
over a year ago

glasgow

ive worked abroad ,we have a fabulous countr, stable with a decent standard of living for most,yes its not perfect but it never will be under any guise, as for food banks a disgrace that wont disappear regardless xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm still not 100% decided, anyone who's read Bo's posts will be under no illusion as to which way he's going to vote.

But he's all about making you find out things for yourself, just read the Wee Blue Book and it's def got lots of information that doesn't make it into mainstream media. the document is written from a pro independence point of _iew but does make you question a lot of what the unionist (better together) campaign, government & media has said or more importantly what they haven't said.

Think it's good either way as people who perhaps had lost all interest in politics are now researching, thinking about it and forming opinions.

Dx

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By *anarkshirelassCouple
over a year ago

lanarkshire

No for me....

Scotland as a Republic...no thanks!!!

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By *anarkshirelassCouple
over a year ago

lanarkshire

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Food banks are not unique to Scotland or the UK. They are world wide to even countries as rich as Germany and the US.

No one is a traitor or a better Scot depending on their vote.

The old saying of lies, damned lies and statistics is very relevent here. One side says we pay 9.9% and get back 9.3% and the other side says Scots get £1,200 a year more spent on them. It seems this 0.6% difference seems to stick in peoples' throat. I know that the UK contibutes 0.7% of GPD to overseas aid so maybe that might be it.

I'm also not sure if the 9.3% that we get back includes things like defence spending.Even if it is not then 0.6% of a few billion is not exactly have the place flowing with milk and honey especially when you think of what you will lose.

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

And I don't think it was just English MP's who got found out fiddling their expense. I'm sure a few Scots got found out as well and the whole lot of them should have been flung in the jail.

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By *anarkshirelassCouple
over a year ago

lanarkshire

Suffice to say your post indicating anyone who doesn't vote Yes is a Traitor... a traitor to what or whom...??

You seem you miss the point that this referendum is all about peoples choice.

Tell me, what you going to do if its an overall NO vote??? become a wee tartan terrorist and come sweeping over the hills and heather in your Marks and Spencer Kilt crying freedom???

Fudd....

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By *r and Mrs SnogalotCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Suffice to say your post indicating anyone who doesn't vote Yes is a Traitor... a traitor to what or whom...??

You seem you miss the point that this referendum is all about peoples choice.

Tell me, what you going to do if its an overall NO vote??? become a wee tartan terrorist and come sweeping over the hills and heather in your Marks and Spencer Kilt crying freedom???

Fudd....

"

It is a thought isn't it. Are the more militant minded folks going to band together and start a reign of terror campaign for independence. Before anyone rubbishes that though look at British History

Shy x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This vote is unique as we have for the first time in history have a simple yes or no.

I am not anti anything, my opinion on my yes vote is based on informing myself on information and experience.

I have experienced Scotland totally rejecting a Conservative government and still being subjected to the Poll tax 1 year prior to the rest of the UK. Better together?

I experienced power cuts and no bread on a Saturday due to the (Majority) English unions pressure on a Socialist Labour government prior to that.

I experienced watching my Father lose his skilled job, along with countless others, when in the early 80's an economic policy starved people in Scotland into submission.

I experienced the area where I grew up become a drug/alcohol, crime ridden area as people either turned to.drugs to make ends meet or turned to drugs to cope with abject poverty.

I experienced a "New" Labour movement that took the county by will and not change much at all, except introduce so many "stealth" taxes (higher vat, lower tax thresholds, higher consumer hidden taxes like building taxes, interest rates fluctuation almost monthly, higher borrowing and deficits, lost triple A credit, banking and mortgage crisis) when people in the inner cities were still living in abject poverty.

I experienced the optimism when we got Holyrood only wane as we tilted toward economic collapse as decoration failed (in my opinion) to deliver what we dreamed it would (all parties have failed there)

My vote for yes in not for SNP Labour or any other political party or beauracratic nonsense. My vote for yes is based on this premise.

I believe that you and I, Scots who live in this proud land, those who may come from elsewhere and choose to stand with us can achieve, we can prosper, we can fail and fall and stumble as one, together as a nation proud to say YES we can. Yes we have fears yes we have doubts but I believe in you when I.look to my left and my right and hear your lion heart beat. I say yes because I believe in you.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

By this premise you have to hark back to when we were a free nation tumchy pickers n chewing worms .......no thanks as for the hardships the role model countrys the yes campaign cite constantly you think its all rainbows n butterflys no poverty or drugs these countrys in no way reseamble scotland so why base independance on them as ive always said make your own mind up dont blame past hardships at least these are known and have been combated in some way

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

My son has just raised a very good question. He is a student and going on to do a PhD (proud dad here).

He has a British passport which allows him free access to EU countries.

He read the white paper and it says that no one will have to give up their British passport until it expires but doesn't mention what happens after that.

This will affect his prospects for study if markets are closed to him due to him having a Scottish passport and we have no EU membership.

I agree with the last posters comments but I think that you can't just have everything based on Scotland as English regions were also chosen to try out policies before it was rolled out nationwide.

I think we need to get past this "everyone is out to get us" mentality.

It was pointed out that over 30% of the Empire's administrators were Scots so we helped shape the world that we live in today.

I was reading about Norway being a great success story so i googled the price of a pint there. It's about £8!!

http://www.pintprice.com/region.php?/Norway/EUR.htm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Defo voting YES!

Why should we pay taxes only for the English to to allow MP's to exploit the expenses system, To fund a high speed rail link that doesn't come ANYWHERE near Scotland, to keep weapons of Mass Destruction in Scotland costing £6 BILLION every year, people who have genuine disabilities struggle due to being incorrectly taken off benefits (I know a few myself) To Vote YES means we could use the part of the trident fund, ours being around £1billion of the £6billion previously mentioned, to build a new state of the art hospital, better rail network in Scotland or even better allow free nursery places to children at a younger age to allow parents to go back to work rather than having a better life on benefits as the British government seem to think is ok for most to do!

Could you sing Flower of Scotland again passionately if you vote NO? NO!

Voting YES means you're a TRUE SCOT, voting NO means your a TRAITOR in my opinion to the rest of the country (I know lots won't like that). We're all entitled to our opinion. "

you sir are an utter twat !!

This nonsense of calling people traitors is abominable this sort of behaviour is a fantastic advert for sterilisation.

you also appear to be joining the throng of idiots who pluck figures out of thin air and expected sensible educated individuals to buy into your nonsense.

give it a rest, you add nothing to the debate.

only my opinion of course

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You're wrong there is no legal way a Westminster government can take away a devolved government. As for UKip, Scotland actually voted for a UKip MEP!

But also want to make it clear I am not a UKip supporter and am probably swinging towards a yes vote. It just frightens me that people can think like this!"

actually you are wrong, Westminster has the ability to suspend/abolish the Scottish parliament, Welsh assembly and N.I. assembly, the prime minister also has the authority to remove any of the devolved powers they wish without the need for consultation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"By this premise you have to hark back to when we were a free nation tumchy pickers n chewing worms .......no thanks as for the hardships the role model countrys the yes campaign cite constantly you think its all rainbows n butterflys no poverty or drugs these countrys in no way reseamble scotland so why base independance on them as ive always said make your own mind up dont blame past hardships at least these are known and have been combated in some way "
So by your own retort and there is a yes vote you're suddenly going to become a worm eating tumshie picker?

Hark back to yesterday and tell me.if you think currently you're going be better off tomorrow with the status quo?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And I don't think it was just English MP's who got found out fiddling their expense. I'm sure a few Scots got found out as well and the whole lot of them should have been flung in the jail."

i agree with you on this Bob but i'm afraid i cannot trust a parliamentary system which in the wake of this scandal promised transparency but continues to allow expense claims without proof of purchase/expenditure if they remain under a specified limit, and also refuses to make provision for public scrutiny.

transparency my arse !!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"This vote is unique as we have for the first time in history have a simple yes or no.

I am not anti anything, my opinion on my yes vote is based on informing myself on information and experience.

I have experienced Scotland totally rejecting a Conservative government and still being subjected to the Poll tax 1 year prior to the rest of the UK. Better together?

I experienced power cuts and no bread on a Saturday due to the (Majority) English unions pressure on a Socialist Labour government prior to that.

I experienced watching my Father lose his skilled job, along with countless others, when in the early 80's an economic policy starved people in Scotland into submission.

I experienced the area where I grew up become a drug/alcohol, crime ridden area as people either turned to.drugs to make ends meet or turned to drugs to cope with abject poverty.

I experienced a "New" Labour movement that took the county by will and not change much at all, except introduce so many "stealth" taxes (higher vat, lower tax thresholds, higher consumer hidden taxes like building taxes, interest rates fluctuation almost monthly, higher borrowing and deficits, lost triple A credit, banking and mortgage crisis) when people in the inner cities were still living in abject poverty.

I experienced the optimism when we got Holyrood only wane as we tilted toward economic collapse as decoration failed (in my opinion) to deliver what we dreamed it would (all parties have failed there)

My vote for yes in not for SNP Labour or any other political party or beauracratic nonsense. My vote for yes is based on this premise.

I believe that you and I, Scots who live in this proud land, those who may come from elsewhere and choose to stand with us can achieve, we can prosper, we can fail and fall and stumble as one, together as a nation proud to say YES we can. Yes we have fears yes we have doubts but I believe in you when I.look to my left and my right and hear your lion heart beat. I say yes because I believe in you."

since I live just the other side of the border I have taken a keen interest in the vote....

and if someone on the YES side had said "you know what... this the worst that could happen if you vote YES" then at least you could have said... you know what I could live with that....

but the rosy picture the YES side paint is just too rosy... all good, no bad....

I hope you stay, I really do... but if you do decide to go it should be a clean break from "everything" currency downward......

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

In my _iew right or wrong we cannot stand on our own feet when the vote first came about there was three options and for me the one removed was by far the best a slow incline to full independance slowly building faith in our country but heyho thats gone.

We split now no money no central bank no commerse no industry we would have to try and undercut the uk on prices good luck going against a recognised country with proven pedigree for my mind with what I see before me it would be a decline for 5/10 yrs then a slow build up till in 20yrs time we are where we are braveheart freedom more like cry havoc and let loose the dogs of war

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By *r and Mrs SnogalotCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

I also grew up in the 80's and watched the same as a previous poster. Marched against poll tax and watched my dad have to go cap in hand to family after losing his job. The thing is in those days being on benefits was seen as a necessity not a right.

i grew up in a fairly poor area and some of my friends chose to take drugs. They chose it - not the bloody government. Me, I chose to get out, educate myself and still am. Nothing in life is mine by right I earn it!

You know what it could quite well get a hell of a lot worse under independence. My love for my country prevents me saying yes, it does not make me a traitor.

Shy

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By *mycdeeTV/TS
over a year ago

stirling

looks like we are going to be the peoples republic of scotland. Anyone who has any savings , at all, with any of the scottish banks suggest you take them out on the 19th and move them to another bank registered in England. Barclays or Santander are two.

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

I have never heard a yes campaigner speak of any negatives. Everything will be just rosy.

The problem is that they have not done any "what if " analysis.

You wouldn't take a business plan to the bank manager without answers to basic questions like "what if turnover is less than predicted?".

This is what is missing in this campaign is clarity.

What if there is no currency union?

What if we don't get back into EU?

What if we don't get membership of NATO?

What if we are threatened by an aggressor? Who will come to our aid?

There are lots more but you get where I am coming from.

Honesty and politicians do not go hand in hand.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It has to be NO

No answers to the questions asked

No we are not ready yet

No to independence

Yes we want it but come back and ask when we are ready for it !!!

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

NO

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It has to be NO

No answers to the questions asked

No we are not ready yet

No to independence

Yes we want it but come back and ask when we are ready for it !!! "
this, Alex saying simply "it'll be fine" is'nt enough.

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

NO

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