FabSwingers.com forum: Jim Murphy

By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Jim Murphy, hero of the Clutha tragedy, has been attacked by YES supporters at a public meeting in Fife.

His condition is not yet known.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Someone hit him on the back with an egg _nny.

try being less dramatic about it.

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

So, you reckon that sort of thuggery is acceptable?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not at all, dont try to put words in mouth.

Just try being proportionate.

on the bright side he might get an endorsement deal out of daz now

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

" ....

on the bright side he might get an endorsement deal out of daz now

I believe that offer was made to get the blood out of the shirt he wore the night of the Clutha.

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Not at all, dont try to put words in mouth.

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So do you condemn or condone this assault on Jim Murphy?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ffs it was an egg

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Ffs it was an egg

So do you condemn or condone this assault on Jim Murphy?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not condoning it

But hardly assault

And why bring up the Clutha ?

It shouldn't happen no matter who it was surly ?

Well unless it's boris or Cameron

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Some people might not realise its the same Jim Murphy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I still think your over reacting

Sorry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You seem determined to try to goad someone into an argument _nny, why not just accept that you over reacted with your original post and leave it at that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Onny, has been attacked by an angry seagull in Fife. The seagull shat on his arm from a great height. . .

His condition is not yet known.

kind of what ur saying - not condoning the egg but adding his condition is not yet known is making it out as if he has been beaten to a pulp by a pack of angry apes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ffs it was an egg

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lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jim Murphy, hero of the Clutha tragedy, has been attacked by YES supporters at a public meeting in Fife.

His condition is not yet known."
his head prob scrambled at the mo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Onny, has been attacked by an angry seagull in Fife. The seagull shat on his arm from a great height. . .

His condition is not yet known.

kind of what ur saying - not condoning the egg but adding his condition is not yet known is making it out as if he has been beaten to a pulp by a pack of angry apes."
lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ffs it was an egg

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Onny, has been attacked by an angry seagull in Fife. The seagull shat on his arm from a great height. . .

His condition is not yet known.

kind of what ur saying - not condoning the egg but adding his condition is not yet known is making it out as if he has been beaten to a pulp by a pack of angry apes."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Slight overdramatisation!!!! I believe he's fine....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Was it a HARD boiled egg?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I say let's egg all the no voters

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jim Murphy, hero of the Clutha tragedy, has been attacked by YES supporters at a public meeting in Fife.

His condition is not yet known."

Get a grip ya trumpet you're making it out like he has been kicked up and down the street, it's an egg!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Once again the yes voters bully the no voters,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Once again the yes voters bully the no voters,"
right. Stay there. Missus have git some eggs. For you

Naked if you like

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jim Murphy, hero of the Clutha tragedy, has been attacked by YES supporters at a public meeting in Fife.

His condition is not yet known. his head prob scrambled at the mo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jim Murphy, hero of the Clutha tragedy, has been attacked by YES supporters at a public meeting in Fife.

His condition is not yet known.

Get a grip ya trumpet you're making it out like he has been kicked up and down the street, it's an egg!"
pmsl

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've seen the Yes voters map of fife, cant decide if he was brave or daft to risk it, think i was wee daft jimmy fae cardenden sir, dressed as mel gibson, shouted "i've seen yi in the pippers Murphy yur no welcome here", n chucked the egg,

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Jim Murphy, hero of the Clutha tragedy, has been attacked by YES supporters at a public meeting in Fife.

His condition is not yet known.

Get a grip ya trumpet you're making it out like he has been kicked up and down the street, it's an egg!"

The fact it's 'an egg' makes it OK?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Police Scotland arrested the culprit after gettin a detailed description, the blue n white face paint still on when he answered his door kinda helped,,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jim Murphy, hero of the Clutha tragedy, has been attacked by YES supporters at a public meeting in Fife.

His condition is not yet known.

Get a grip ya trumpet you're making it out like he has been kicked up and down the street, it's an egg!

The fact it's 'an egg' makes it OK?"

I'm no saying that it's justifiable but when you say things like "his condition is not yet known" makes it sound like a serious assault.

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Jim Murphy, hero of the Clutha tragedy, has been attacked by YES supporters at a public meeting in Fife.

His condition is not yet known.

Get a grip ya trumpet you're making it out like he has been kicked up and down the street, it's an egg!

The fact it's 'an egg' makes it OK?

I'm no saying that it's justifiable but when you say things like "his condition is not yet known" makes it sound like a serious assault. "

At the time I wrote the OP, that was an accurate statement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"hero of the Clutha vaults?" ffs, that's your most desperate yet, _nny.

He was there and he helped out, like a lot of folk. Even he doesn't go around making ludicrous claims like that and certainly not to make petty political points.

The last wee shred of respect I held for you just evaporated.

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"......

The last wee shred of respect I held for you just evaporated. "

That won't keep me awake.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jim Murphy, hero of the Clutha tragedy, has been attacked by YES supporters at a public meeting in Fife.

His condition is not yet known.

Get a grip ya trumpet you're making it out like he has been kicked up and down the street, it's an egg!

The fact it's 'an egg' makes it OK?

I'm no saying that it's justifiable but when you say things like "his condition is not yet known" makes it sound like a serious assault.

At the time I wrote the OP, that was an accurate statement."

your talking mince _nny, i had already read the story on the bbc website before you created this thread.

pathetic.

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By *ifferentClassMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Jim Murphy, hero of the Clutha tragedy, has been attacked by YES supporters at a public meeting in Fife.

His condition is not yet known.

Get a grip ya trumpet you're making it out like he has been kicked up and down the street, it's an egg!

The fact it's 'an egg' makes it OK?

I'm no saying that it's justifiable but when you say things like "his condition is not yet known" makes it sound like a serious assault.

At the time I wrote the OP, that was an accurate statement."

If you knew that it was an egg 'attack' at the time of the OP then you did know his condition: absolutely fine. A little eggy, perhaps, but otherwise fine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"......

The last wee shred of respect I held for you just evaporated.

That won't keep me awake."

At least I now know the smart to the question you ran greeting to the admins about. Both.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm still not sure if this is satire if I'm being honest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is the egg ok?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pure, unadulterated pish.....that is all!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is funny as fuck haha!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ffs it was an egg

This made me giggle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ffs it was an egg

This made me giggle "

Shelley or Iain?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ffs it was an egg

This made me giggle

Shelley or Iain? "
shelley

sorry forgot my smiley winky eyes .. 2 spanks you owe me lol

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By *adgeeMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Onny eggs-aggerate ... I mean exaggerate...

...surely no!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ffs it was an egg

This made me giggle

Shelley or Iain? shelley

sorry forgot my smiley winky eyes .. 2 spanks you owe me lol

Gies a winch and let's liven this thread up.....I'll even let you TALK (that's all) about strap ons

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ffs it was an egg

This made me giggle

Shelley or Iain? shelley

sorry forgot my smiley winky eyes .. 2 spanks you owe me lol

Gies a winch and let's liven this thread up.....I'll even let you TALK (that's all) about strap ons

do I get to rub egg yolk over your ass ?? Hahaha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Onny eggs-aggerate ... I mean exaggerate...

...surely no! "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"do I get to rub egg yolk over your ass ?? Hahaha

DEAL!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"do I get to rub egg yolk over your ass ?? Hahaha

DEAL!!!!"
works as a good lube I'm sure

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"do I get to rub egg yolk over your ass ?? Hahaha

DEAL!!!!works as a good lube I'm sure

Nooooooooooooooo you got me to agree to that under false pretences!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"do I get to rub egg yolk over your ass ?? Hahaha

DEAL!!!!works as a good lube I'm sure

Nooooooooooooooo you got me to agree to that under false pretences!!

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you said DEAL I have loads of witnesses

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"do I get to rub egg yolk over your ass ?? Hahaha

DEAL!!!!works as a good lube I'm sure

Nooooooooooooooo you got me to agree to that under false pretences!!

you said DEAL I have loads of witnesses

Yup, I seen it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"do I get to rub egg yolk over your ass ?? Hahaha

DEAL!!!!works as a good lube I'm sure

Nooooooooooooooo you got me to agree to that under false pretences!!

you said DEAL I have loads of witnesses

Yup, I seen it!

Ssshhhhh you, I thought you said I was alright and now yer backing Shelley up to rip me a new arseholes. Scrubbed you are!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"do I get to rub egg yolk over your ass ?? Hahaha

DEAL!!!!works as a good lube I'm sure

Nooooooooooooooo you got me to agree to that under false pretences!!

you said DEAL I have loads of witnesses

Yup, I seen it!

Ssshhhhh you, I thought you said I was alright and now yer backing Shelley up to rip me a new arseholes. Scrubbed you are!!

When I seen there was gonna be a strap on involved I had to get in on it!! I'll happily sit and watch

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By *ouplesloversCouple
over a year ago

near Glasgow

In other breaking news Humpty Dumpty cannot be put back together again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How's the egg this morning, can anyone provide an update, I mean is it going to pull through, have the next of kin been informed just in case a yolk transfusion is required?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In other breaking news Humpty Dumpty cannot be put back together again"
pmsl...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There me be more to this than you think, maybe another party is trying to poach him lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There me be more to this than you think, maybe another party is trying to poach him lol

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lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the real question is -where was the chicken at the time of the collision and were the chicken and the egg racing again to see who came first and as in F1 it is purely a racing incident?,TGFI

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"do I get to rub egg yolk over your ass ?? Hahaha

DEAL!!!!works as a good lube I'm sure

Nooooooooooooooo you got me to agree to that under false pretences!!

Tut tut you playing with fire again lol

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By *ustcutieWoman
over a year ago

edinburgh

How did I miss this thread

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Police Scotland have advised Jim Murphy to suspend his speaking tour as they cannot guarantee his safety.

Free speech in a Separate Scotland? Only if the Nat thugs like what you're saying.

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By *owboy BebopMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Many towns & villages saved from Skeletor and project fear apparatchik's spreading fear and alarm.....whilst standing on his irn bru crate !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Police Scotland have advised Jim Murphy to suspend his speaking tour as they cannot guarantee his safety.

Free speech in a Separate Scotland? Only if the Nat thugs like what you're saying."

Jeez man, give it up. You're acting like people might give a shit!

Look, Murphy chose to do this tour, knowing full well he'd be doing it in areas where tensions about the debate are running high and by doing what he's doing in public he'd be goading people into a reaction. No one on here is condoning throwing things at any one but christ, it's an egg!

Police Scotland have (probably gladly) advised him to cancel the rest of the tour as they can't believe what a massive waste of their time and resources this eejit has been! regardless of what side of the argument you fall on, this tour was a dumb idea and he knew it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In other breaking news Humpty Dumpty cannot be put back together again"
lol lol

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow

Can't stand Jim Murphy as a politician and he's hardly the first one to have an egg thrown at him but I disagree with the above. Political campaigning isn't goading people, it's the democratic process at work. And areas where opinions are close are those where the majority of campaigning has traditionally gone on.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

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By *wiftieeMan
over a year ago

near Glasgow

" Political campaigning isn't goading people, it's the democratic process at work. And areas where opinions are close are those where the majority of campaigning has traditionally gone on."

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By *andG4moreCouple
over a year ago

Dunbartonshire

"do I get to rub egg yolk over your ass ?? Hahaha

DEAL!!!!works as a good lube I'm sure

Nooooooooooooooo you got me to agree to that under false pretences!!

you said DEAL I have loads of witnesses

Yup, I seen it!

Ssshhhhh you, I thought you said I was alright and now yer backing Shelley up to rip me a new arseholes. Scrubbed you are!!

lmfao and she knowz the reach round nd squeeze trick btw ozzie

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By *lassic1Man
over a year ago

bellshill

Will they defer his funeral until after the vote.........I do assume from protestations that he was mortally wounded by this remarkable EGG ????

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

"Was it a HARD boiled egg?"
think it was scrammbled woth cheese n fafa beans

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"lmfao and she knowz the reach round nd squeeze trick btw ozzie

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

The Nats don't approve of political campaigning or of free speech and will resort to violence to have their way.

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

It was an assault legally. If he makes a complaint to the police then it will be investigated.

All those that make light of the incident would be the first to complain if it happened to them.

Thuggery has no place in the political system.

The last time thuggery and intimidation was condoned on this scale by a political organisation was when they wore brown shirts.

Is this the sort of Scotland we all want?

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"It was an assault legally. If he makes a complaint to the police then it will be investigated.

All those that make light of the incident would be the first to complain if it happened to them.

Thuggery has no place in the political system.

The last time thuggery and intimidation was condoned on this scale by a political organisation was when they wore brown shirts.

Is this the sort of Scotland we all want?"

It's the sort of Scotland the SNP want.

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

My father and his two brothers fought and all were badly wounded to defend our country from a similar sort of party. His two cousins who were in the raf both died, one being a fighter pilot who died defending london during the battle of britain.

Now look at what wee eck has started with his lies and deceit.

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

While our parents were at war, SNP members were plotting "subversive activity" and planning to set up a puppet government in the event of invasion by Axis powers.

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

I did read that. Did they not also link up with irish republicans?

Old habits die hard.

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

There was always a link between the SNP, the SNLA and PIRA.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There was always a link between the SNP, the SNLA and PIRA."

you and bob seem bitter wee men not all yes voters support snp quite alot are ex labour voters who dont like the way the have turned right wing and forgot their socialist values .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There was always a link between the SNP, the SNLA and PIRA."

can u prove that _nny ?

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"There was always a link between the SNP, the SNLA and PIRA.

can u prove that _nny ?"

What would you accept as proof?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There was always a link between the SNP, the SNLA and PIRA.

can u prove that _nny ?

What would you accept as proof?"

any sort of link between them meetings ect?

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By *owboy BebopMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Debate has hit a new low.....Onny, you always take a certain stance ( which is fine) ......but come on big man have you been drinking.... I feel embarrassed for you, for some of the spite filled drivel you are now peddling !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Debate has hit a new low.....Onny, you always take a certain stance ( which is fine) ......but come on big man have you been drinking.... I feel embarrassed for you, for some of the spite filled drivel you are now peddling !!!

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By *cottishsexgoddessWoman
over a year ago

Glenrothes

The Nats don't approve of political campaigning or of free speech and will resort to violence to have their way."

What utter tripe. I'm a Nationalist and have never resorted to violence and thuggery in any way. As a staunch trade unionist in my day, I stood up for those who couldn't, never in a violent way and feel freedom of speech is vital. This behaviour happens in ALL walks of life. Targeting the Nats is naive.

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By *cottishsexgoddessWoman
over a year ago

Glenrothes

"There was always a link between the SNP, the SNLA and PIRA.

you and bob seem bitter wee men not all yes voters support snp quite alot are ex labour voters who dont like the way the have turned right wing and forgot their socialist values ."

I agree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well known that snp were regarded as the scots tories.

Now they are a good idea ?

Keep adding to the confusion though.

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By *owboy BebopMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Well known that snp were regarded as the scots tories.

Now they are a good idea ?

Keep adding to the confusion though."

"Well known that snp were regarded as the scots tories.

Now they are a good idea ?

Keep adding to the confusion though."

Well known that the Labour Party and supporting press ( Daily Record & others) keep on pushing this line , to discourage SNP vote.....and this is from a disaffected ex Labour Party activist.....

Spin Doctors don't care about: the policies, the truth, the issues or the voters.....they just want to discredit the other guy.....and who suffers the electorate .....the best thing about the referendum is that is has got ordinary people talking about politics !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You accurately currently have a coalition government. Conservatives and Lib dems.

Has more clout calling them simply Tories ?

Used to be a simple case of. Dont like the Conservative agenda....next election vote Labour instead.

But no, lets try Independance.

Why ? Because you Think...you kinda Think its worth a go.

All politicians promise so much and ditch most promises....but gid auld Alex is goin to do all he says ? Marvelous....hell why was he not PM sooner ?

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By *owboy BebopMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"You accurately currently have a coalition government. Conservatives and Lib dems.

Has more clout calling them simply Tories ?

Used to be a simple case of. Dont like the Conservative agenda....next election vote Labour instead.

But no, lets try Independance.

Why ? Because you Think...you kinda Think its worth a go.

All politicians promise so much and ditch most promises....but gid auld Alex is goin to do all he says ? Marvelous....hell why was he not PM sooner ?"

Well to answer your pithy comment about Alex Salmond not being PM .....it's because middle England won't vote for him........whoever Middle England votes for tends to get in !!!! So it sort of says that whatever way we vote in Scotland we will have an administration selects for us by Middle England !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Middle england have people peeved with government policy.

Various areas of england have the same struggles and frustrations with government too.

If we had an election tommorow it would'nt be a conservative coalition winning it.

So....yes vote wins and Alex is boss a wee while? Then who ?

We pick a fantasic forward thinking leader of Scotland,,,its interesting certainly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well known that snp were regarded as the scots tories.

Now they are a good idea ?

Keep adding to the confusion though."

In 1979 yes, when Labour shifted the goal posts at the referendum. No what parties the red Tories? And wearing it proud?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There has been no mention that the person who threw an egg at him was a yes voter or a yes supporter. Just saying

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is not a vote for Alex Salmond, it is a vote to take responsibility into Scottish hands. in 2016 we will vote in our own Government, whatever the Scottish people want

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By *cottishsexgoddessWoman
over a year ago

Glenrothes

"Middle england have people peeved with government policy.

Various areas of england have the same struggles and frustrations with government too.

If we had an election tommorow it would'nt be a conservative coalition winning it.

So....yes vote wins and Alex is boss a wee while? Then who ?

We pick a fantasic forward thinking leader of Scotland,,,its interesting certainly."

The vote isn't for Alex Salmond or the SNP it's to decide whether we want Scotland to be independent or not. That's what I'm voting for. People seem to forget this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Same system though. A political party wants us to vote for them, trust them and allow them to lead us into insependance.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I saw it on the news and the guy who did do it, then slithered up an alleyway. Some protest

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Likewise,,,and the bully boy tactics of big banners in his face and shouted over and down,,,oh aye freedon for all indeed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So, you reckon that sort of thuggery is acceptable?"

surely you mean eggceptable

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Murphy egging was clearly Labour orchestrated if you watch the video. There's a lot of Yes people there for sure - he should be greatful for the audience given his previous 81 stops. So, Yes not SNP (multi party remember) and it's a free country, many with banners, shouting maybe - but Jims not shy of that himself is he? Pretty au fait with the expletive put down if you disagree. Everyone Yes is branded. Guy who 'places the egg on his shoulder' isn't and slopes off into a close. Interesting also that the same guy is pictured later wearing a two way radio ear piece. If it was Yes orchestrated 'planned mob' pretty confident you would have seen a reaction from them. There's none. Nada. Nothing. Also interesting for the few people there that there are a lot of photographers. Including the Times, Kirkcaldy stalwarts of the local press that they are. Seems also coincidence that the terror level has been raised - even though there's no 'credible evidence'. 'Dont go it alone Scotland, you'll never be able to protect yourselves' (from people who hate UK foreign policy). Last clutching at straws in my opinion to make people keen for a positive change look bad. It's not working.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There has been no mention that the person who threw an egg at him was a yes voter or a yes supporter. Just saying"

Murphy said it on Radio Scots newsdrive last night.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just read this whole thread

OK, no secret I'd vote no

Used to be a Nat but Emperor Eck the First put paid to that

Regardless, this thread has shown that there are one eyed, essentially bigoted numpties on both sides

Sense of both Humour and proportion please people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Brilliant....go it alone and suddenly there will be no Royal navy.

It be like dads army on a wee tug boat for a navy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Brilliant....go it alone and suddenly there will be no Royal navy.

It be like dads army on a wee tug boat for a navy."

There are none here just now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just on that alone, defence. Get rid of trident, ok, but the royal air force ?

What ? Its ok, stay and defend us up in lossiemouth etc,,, i know we aint part of britain now guys but stay please?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just on that alone, defence. Get rid of trident, ok, but the royal air force ?

What ? Its ok, stay and defend us up in lossiemouth etc,,, i know we aint part of britain now guys but stay please? "

Not sure I even understand what you're saying there? You're implying (I think) that the RAF would remain in Lossiemouth? If so that's not he case. Through the asset split we would retain Lossiemouth as a jet base, along with some aircraft, and would reopen Leuchars also as a mixed military base. So it's not a 'see ya but stay' situation.

I will concede the guy with the earpiece, re earlier post, wasn't the 'egger'. Done a bit of 'dipping' around this mornjng and although almost his doppelgänger it is actually a shaddow cabinet security guy. The rest of my post still stands though. Set up if ever there was one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And the speculation about the up in terrorist threat ?

Thats just political ?

Pretty sure its done with various data and tell tale signs by people with expertise in that dept.

Your sticking to that theory even if, god forbid something were to occur ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So by the governments own admission there is no credible threat imminently nor in the near future, yet they raise it to the level they have?

You don't see anything remotely wrong with that? Inciting panic for no reason other than fear itself?

It's propaganda.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its procedure,,,to avoid creating mass panic.

They cant in any way be specific or chaos soon developes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For me, like comedy, it's all in the timing. Yes on the up, darling humiliated, Cameron humiliated over EU, Tory defections to Ukip. Just smacks of 'squirrel!' to me.

If you want to not raise panic you don't make it headline news all around the country.

I'd bet money the UK will be at war somewhere - with more boots on the ground (on top of the 300 special forces in Iraq that don't count as boots on the ground - obviously) - after the referendum.

Anyhoo, this is getting way off the 'beaten' track of Onnys original post.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about the poor egg?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well known that snp were regarded as the scots tories.

Now they are a good idea ?

Keep adding to the confusion though."

Well known that labour were once a left of centre party! A long time ago now though!

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By *ife in furCouple
over a year ago

glasgow

Labour voter, saying yes. Murphy been screwing the working class for years. Onny you are a bitter man, someone give him a cream egg.

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

I can live with the ad hominem.

As ever, it says more about the author than the subject.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There was always a link between the SNP, the SNLA and PIRA.

can u prove that _nny ?

What would you accept as proof?

any sort of link between them meetings ect?"

still waiting on your proof _nny

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By *hrissie1961Woman
over a year ago

dumfries and galloway

We are supposed to live in a country, where free speech is our right.

We may not agree with what someone is saying, but does it need to descend into violent behaviour?

Our country is and has been on the world stage recently. Why would you want to behave like a savage?

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"There was always a link between the SNP, the SNLA and PIRA.

can u prove that _nny ?

What would you accept as proof?

any sort of link between them meetings ect?

still waiting on your proof _nny"

Sorry. Sleep intervened.

Read up on Adam Busby.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can't wait till after the vote and the bickering can be toned down to the usual political nonsense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There was always a link between the SNP, the SNLA and PIRA.

can u prove that _nny ?

What would you accept as proof?

any sort of link between them meetings ect?

still waiting on your proof _nny

Sorry. Sleep intervened.

Read up on Adam Busby."

Im forced to agree with _nny in regards Adam Busby, a horrid individual.

As is his son Adam Busby Jnr who was convicted in 2009 of sending suspect packages to various people including Alex Salmond.

hmmm SNLA targeting the SNP, clearly they are in cahoots with each other.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jim Murphy, hero of the Clutha tragedy, has been attacked by YES supporters at a public meeting in Fife.

His condition is not yet known."

bringing the thread back to its original purpose, the horrendous attack on an MP.

George Galloway was hospitalised yesterday after a serious assault, puts the whole egg throwing (as unacceptable as it is) into perspective.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There was always a link between the SNP, the SNLA and PIRA.

can u prove that _nny ?

What would you accept as proof?

any sort of link between them meetings ect?

still waiting on your proof _nny

Sorry. Sleep intervened.

Read up on Adam Busby."

as i thought no proof

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow

Just seen some clips from Murphy's 'tour'. As I've previously posted, the egg thing is no big deal. However from the clips I've seen there is a concerted campaign to turn up at everyone of his stops and basically shout him down while he's talking as well as when others are trying to ask questions. It's not engaging in political debate it's just shouting abuse.

How can this really be condoned? It wouldn't be an issue if people were turning up to dispute the things he's saying but that isn't the case, it's just mindless abuse to stop him being heard which is kinda sad and disappointing.

I should add that you couldn't pay to get me to go and see Jim Murphy speak but he should still have the right to try to engage with the electorate.

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By *lue4youCouple
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

"Jim Murphy, hero of the Clutha tragedy, has been attacked by YES supporters at a public meeting in Fife.

His condition is not yet known."

A career in journalism has been sorely missed here, just consider the story.... Cheryl Cole has a wardrobe malfunction, and he boob pops out... Headline in the Onny press Cheryl gets her titts oot and says whose up fer a shag then

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Can't wait till after the vote and the bickering can be toned down to the usual political nonsense. "

Don't kid yourself. As I've said before - the Nats are bad losers.

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"There was always a link between the SNP, the SNLA and PIRA.

can u prove that _nny ?

What would you accept as proof?

any sort of link between them meetings ect?

still waiting on your proof _nny

Sorry. Sleep intervened.

Read up on Adam Busby.

as i thought no proof "

I refer you to bino's post (above).

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By *ockyjockyMan
over a year ago

G63 countryside

I was at the "event" in Kirkcaldy. It is a stooshie in a teacup. Yes, the egg shouldn't have been thrown. Yes, the person has been found and dealt with by the police. However, it was not thuggery or rioting or a serious assault. Some of the listeners didn't even notice at first. I have been a political campaigner for years and have had proper assaults(kickings in the parlance) from both opposition supporters and the police. Although it shouldn't, it often goes with the territory.

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Not thuggery ?????????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jim Murphy, hero of the Clutha tragedy, has been attacked by YES supporters at a public meeting in Fife.

His condition is not yet known.

bringing the thread back to its original purpose, the horrendous attack on an MP.

George Galloway was hospitalised yesterday after a serious assault, puts the whole egg throwing (as unacceptable as it is) into perspective."

Agreed totally

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By *kin1Man
over a year ago

lanarkshire

Aye he wiz just passin the Clutha pub comin fae blythwood square droppin aff a hooker an eh should ave been hut wae a dizen eggs better together my arse

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Someone asked for proof previously of a link between the SNP and Nazi Germany.

Before anyone else starts throwing names around I'm not a bitter wee man but a concerned citizen who only has the interests of this country at heart and hate to see the divisions that this referendum has caused.

In May 1941, during World War II, Arthur Donaldson a leading SNP member at the time and later SNP leader from 1960-1969 was arrested by police who allegedly suspected him and a number of other SNP figures, of “subversive activities”, due to their support for the Scottish Neutrality League.

Donaldson intended to set up a puppet government akin to that of Vidkun Quisling (of Norway) in the event of a Nazi invasion.

According to papers released by MI5, which led raids against many Scottish nationalists, “subversive literature” and a “large cache of weapons” were found in their possession.

According to an MI5 file on Donaldson released in November 2005 he was arrested because the MI5 believed him to be a “Nazi sympathiser”, and that he hoped to become part of a “puppet government” set up by the Nazis after they occupied Britain.

Taken from official record:

“During a long conversation, Donaldson gave great praise to Germany saying that England would be completely crushed by the early spring; the Government would leave the country and that England’s position would be absolutely hopeless, as poverty and famine would be their only reward for declaring war on Germany.â€

â€œScotland on the other hand had great possibilities. We must, he declared, be able to show the German Government that we are organised and that we have a clear cut policy for the betterment of Scotland; that we have tried our best to persuade the English Government that we want Scottish Independence and that we are not in with them in this war.â€

â€œIf we can do that you can be sure that Germany will give us every possible assistance in our early struggle. The time is not yet ripe for us to start a virile campaign against England, but when fire and confusion is at its height in England, we can start in earnest.â€

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Someone asked for proof previously of a link between the SNP and Nazi Germany.

Donaldson intended to set up a puppet government akin to that of Vidkun Quisling (of Norway) in the event of a Nazi invasion.

According to papers released by MI5, which led raids against many Scottish nationalists, “subversive literature” and a “large cache of weapons” were found in their possession.

Taken from official record:

first it was snp links to snla and pira now the nazis u and _nny are really scraping the barrel in your desperation to discredite the snp

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

I'm not trying to discredit anyone. Facts are facts and any political party tries to minimise any fact that might show them in a bad light.

How many politicians would you trust to invest your life savings? So many of them should be in the jail for expenses fiddling on the scale that they were.

Look at the last week, a Tory defects and it is "regretable", understatement of the week, Darling and Brown on the same stage behaving like old pals, yea, right, Alex Salmond still not answering any question put to him except to say "trust me".

Where are the honest politicans who you can trust and be inspired by?

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Someone asked for proof previously of a link between the SNP and Nazi Germany.

Donaldson intended to set up a puppet government akin to that of Vidkun Quisling (of Norway) in the event of a Nazi invasion.

According to papers released by MI5, which led raids against many Scottish nationalists, “subversive literature” and a “large cache of weapons” were found in their possession.

Taken from official record:

first it was snp links to snla and pira now the nazis u and _nny are really scraping the barrel in your desperation to discredite the snp "

You can't argue with facts. At the time the SNP were proud of their links with paramilitary organisations.

Re discredit. Check Ekin1's claim that Murphy was with a hooker the night of the Clutha tragedy.

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

This referendum has split the nation more than any other general election ever could.

Truth and facts are the first things to be forgotten as sound bites and personalities make the foreground.

Even the most hardened Yes person must admit the Alex Salmond isn't answering basic questions because he honestly doesn't know the answer. The most basic problem is no one actually knows what they are voting for.

The SNP published a white paper which is as much use as a letter to Santa as all it is is a wish list.

If there is a Yes vote only then do the negotiations start and what happends if the terms are unacceptable? No one knows the answer to that one. John Swinney says that if he doesn't get his own way then he won't accept scotland's share of the national debt. I would imaging that the UK goverment would then hold back assets to cover that debt and so the negotiations could drag on for years, throw in a General election in May 2015 and a Scottish election a year later and the whole lot becomes a legal mess.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This referendum has split the nation more than any other general election ever could.

Truth and facts are the first things to be forgotten as sound bites and personalities make the foreground.

The SNP published a white paper which is as much use as a letter to Santa as all it is is a wish list.

"
I just hope they don't hold back my pension !!!! as that is an asset the RUK can claw back !!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This referendum has split the nation more than any other general election ever could.

Truth and facts are the first things to be forgotten as sound bites and personalities make the foreground.

The SNP published a white paper which is as much use as a letter to Santa as all it is is a wish list.

I just hope they don't hold back my pension !!!! as that is an asset the RUK can claw back !!!!"

Sorry man, that's utter rubbish. That is NOT and asset. If you've paid into a pension in the UK, up until the day of Independence, it will be paid the same as if we were part of the union. Paid by the UK government as it would always have been as that's who you've paid it to. People all over the world have moved after retirement and still get/ will be getting theirs. There is no change there. This has been reinforced by WM throughout the campaign. I'd be interested to hear if you have been told this by a Bettertogether source.

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"................ .......... theirs. There is no change there. This has been reinforced by WM throughout the campaign. I'd be interested to hear if you have been told this by a Bettertogether source."

WM?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Westminster

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Westminster "

Ah. Thanks.

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By *rambuie10Man
over a year ago

falkirk

Condition is not known??

It didn't affect him at all, especially his mouth, he didn't stop his soapbox diatribe.

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By *lue4youCouple
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

Love the way there's the attempt to use historical supposed links to this or that to discredit the SNP/ Alex Salmond. From links with the Nazis to his obvious involvement to the holocaust and being seen on the grassy knoll when JFK was assassinated. Worries me more that Tony Blair and successive British governments follow the good old USA into battle on totally humanitarian wars, albeit in a country with huge oil reserves. Never seen or heard of them trying to overthrow Mad dog Mugabe, mmmm perhaps they don't have anything we need

Tony plays with George, Barrak plays with Davie, Eddie plays with anyone that lets him in the game. Nigel he's the bully that's gonna take them all. If he gets his way all Non Brits against the wall... not a place I'd wanna live in It's a massive yes vote

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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over a year ago

"Love the way there's the attempt to use historical supposed links to this or that to discredit the SNP/ Alex Salmond. From links with the Nazis to his obvious involvement to the holocaust and being seen on the grassy knoll when JFK was assassinated. Worries me more that Tony Blair and successive British governments follow the good old USA into battle on totally humanitarian wars, albeit in a country with huge oil reserves. Never seen or heard of them trying to overthrow Mad dog Mugabe, mmmm perhaps they don't have anything we need

I'm sorry I can't comment on the aforementioned post aas when I saw your profile I just kept thinking blackberries and that look on your face when you came mmmmm

Mwah

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By *nvercoupleCouple
over a year ago

Inverness

"This referendum has split the nation more than any other general election ever could.

Truth and facts are the first things to be forgotten as sound bites and personalities make the foreground.

The SNP published a white paper which is as much use as a letter to Santa as all it is is a wish list.

Im perfectly happy with the answers ive been given from the Yes camp. There is an element of faith involved as well. But nobody can predict the future so its impossible for all answers to be answered.

Just like the better campaign cant answer any questions on the future of Scotland under Westminster rule. Were told we will get extra powers but nobody knows what they will be or how in-depth those powers will be because its all dependent on who rules Westminster.

the white paper is a wish list? Of course it is. But its also a bit more than that. Its what team scotland will use for a basis in negotiations in the event of a Yes vote. And the direction that the Scottish Government will take an independent Scotland in if the Yes vote passes.

And what exactly have the better together campaign given for their version of the white paper? A few very short leaflets from each of the parties that are all incredibly vague? I will take the 649 pages in the white paper over those few vague leaflets any day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This referendum has split the nation more than any other general election ever could.

Truth and facts are the first things to be forgotten as sound bites and personalities make the foreground.

The SNP published a white paper which is as much use as a letter to Santa as all it is is a wish list.

I just hope they don't hold back my pension !!!! as that is an asset the RUK can claw back !!!!

I am sure my pension will be paid but that was all decided before the threat was made to dump the debt.

I read everything and make my own mind up about things and don't rely on the propaganda of either camp.

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

The problem with a wish list is that it is akin to a letter to Santa. 649 pages is a lot for Santa to get through especially as there has been an 18 month deadline put in place by Alec salmond.

There have been no answers from the yes camp even although they are better organised.

The most basic one is still what currency we would use. Wee eck says the pound but can't or won't say which one because doesn't know. It's a bit like saying we will use the dollar but the us one, Canadian, Australian?

Just because he says we will use the pound doesn't make it clear which version or who would be printing the money, Edinburgh or Bank of England?

Immigration is another area of concern especially after the raising of the terror threat and we need more secure borders and not ones that leak like a sieve.

This is not a reversible decision. Make the wrong one and it will be our kids who will suffer the most.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Indeed, they could well have centuries more of being ruled from london by the likes of posh davie and his mates

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hoping the people with no yes or no thanks signs up are all No voters...lol.

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Indeed, they could well have centuries more of being ruled from london by the likes of posh davie and his mates "

An independant Scotland gets a CU with rUK so fiscal policy still run from London. Want to join the EU again assuming you can get all 27 members to agree then the chances are that you will need to join the Euro so fiscal policy remains in Brussels.

Neither option is independance in the accepted sense and which one would you rather have?

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By *leasure domMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

The problem with the naysayers' arguments is that they are all manufactured and based on fear, smear and call for hard facts when only judgements can be made.

These people are implacably opposed to self-determination, either because they have swallowed the propaganda of fear, they are among the wealthiest individuals and corporations and fear the prospect of a more equitable society, or because they are part of the unionist political classes and their camp followers, who fear greater democracy and a consequent diminution of their power.

It is the people of Scotland vs the vested interests - and the people will not be denied, now that they have been offered the first ever chance to vote for Scotland's renewal as an independent nation.

After 300+ years, the shotgun marriage is about to end in divorce. The terms will be negotiated and the heavens will definitely not collapse upon us.

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over a year ago

"The problem with the naysayers' arguments is that they are all manufactured and based on fear, smear and call for hard facts when only judgements can be made.

After 300+ years, the shotgun marriage is about to end in divorce. The terms will be negotiated and the heavens will definitely not collapse upon us."

No voters just like Yes voters are as proud and concerned about the countrys future, Scotlands future !

I see the Yes banners of some houses known to be in the wealthiest streets in my town, so that generalisation cuts no ice.

People voting No are feardies?

Maybe they are as forward thinking and intelligent as any Yes voter.

And the wee 300 years history lesson, lovely it fair stirs the emotions so it does, not really relevant in 2014 though is it.

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over a year ago

"The problem with the naysayers' arguments is that they are all manufactured and based on fear, smear and call for hard facts when only judgements can be made.

After 300+ years, the shotgun marriage is about to end in divorce. The terms will be negotiated and the heavens will definitely not collapse upon us."

This is one of the dumbest generalisations I've read yet, written by someone who clearly _iews himself as better that those who want to vote No.

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By *leasure domMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

The thing about generalisations is - they are generally true.

Question the motivation - where are the naysayers coming from?

Where is the commitment to democracy?

Where is the commitment to lifting our fellow citizens out of poverty?

(labour had a hegemony in Scotland for decades and has totally failed)

The people of Scotland rioted against the 1707 sell-out by the political elite and the landowners, but the will of the people was trampled.

This is only the first opportunity in three centuries for the people of Scotland to reclaim their status and to reject the coalition of the unwilling.

If you are happy with the status quo faux-democracy of the UK, so be it. Some of us want something better.

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow ish

"The problem with the naysayers' arguments is that they are all manufactured and based on fear, smear and call for hard facts when only judgements can be made.

After 300+ years, the shotgun marriage is about to end in divorce. The terms will be negotiated and the heavens will definitely not collapse upon us."

Neighbour said she was voting NO to one of the Yes campaign door steppers. 25 minutes later she was still being harangued - so loudly you could hear it down the street.

You call the No campaign fear mongers.

Look at the current Yes fear campaigns that are running.

1. Only Yes to save the NHS.

Ffs, the SNP have spent £390 million on private health providers.

The Scottish NHS budget is fully devolved and has not been cut.

The NHS budget has grown.

2. Scotland doesn't get the government it votes for.

Erm, 56% of the votes cast in the last scottish elections went to parties NOT in government.

In simple terms the majority of Scotland didn't get the government it voted for...

3. UKIP will get you!

Jesus, this is a protest party.They don't have a seat in parliament and have a tendency to shoot themselves, politically, in the foot.

4. Smear - do you think the abuse thrown by the Yes campaign at Westminster by Mr Salmond and others will be forgotten should there be a yes vote?

Do you really think they will forget the "thieves", "tory posh boys" etc and bend over backwards to accommodate the wishes of Mr Salmond?

Just to remind the revisionists - 1979, the snp laid a motion of no confidence in the then Labour government.

This passed 311 - 310, with the 11 Snp MP's voting with the Thatcher ran tory party.

At the subsequent general election. Scotland returned 44 labour, 22 conservative, 3 liberal an 2 snp MP's.

2 MP's = the same number as pandas currently in Edinburgh.

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By *wiftieeMan
over a year ago

near Glasgow

"The thing about generalisations is - they are generally true.

Question the motivation - where are the naysayers coming from?

Where is the commitment to democracy?

Where is the commitment to lifting our fellow citizens out of poverty?

(labour had a hegemony in Scotland for decades and has totally failed)

The people of Scotland rioted against the 1707 sell-out by the political elite and the landowners, but the will of the people was trampled.

This is only the first opportunity in three centuries for the people of Scotland to reclaim their status and to reject the coalition of the unwilling.

If you are happy with the status quo faux-democracy of the UK, so be it. Some of us want something better.

I think we all want something better, but that's the exact problem with the Yes campaign. Give us facts, substantiate your claims, show us how and where it's going to be better.

The Yes campaign has been too politicised, we all know that politicians would promise you anything to get your vote. We've had the usual lack of substance, all sound bites and 'pie in the sky'. Along with a load of downright lying!

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By *leasure domMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Here we go again with the demand for facts, when the future is unknown and one requires to make a best judgement.

It seems to me that those who moan about lack of facts will always use that excuse come what may, or perhaps they have been relying on the MSM for their information, rather than attending the many public debates which have been happening all over the country over the last couple of years.

For those unable or unwilling to get up off the sofa, there is a plethora of such debates available online. Check out royal society or nls - much better discussions than any BBC or STV offering involving party politicians.

It would be a mistake to confuse the yes campaign with the efforts of the professional politicians.

The arguments and logic of the grassroots YES campaign will carry the day; the hundreds of thousands of non-voters now registering is an indication of their effectiveness. This referendum will be won by ordinary citizens who reject the status quo.

Fundamental change for the better will only come with a YES vote.

Getting back to my point about motivation .... as broadcaster & journalist Derek Bateman asks today of those interest groups who are against self-determination for Scotland, "Who are you and what do you really want?"

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By *leasure domMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Just to remind the revisionists - 1979, the snp laid a motion of no confidence in the then Labour government. This passed 311 - 310, with the 11 Snp MP's voting with the Thatcher ran tory party."

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. You're a labour activist, aren't you? And therefore a true revisionist!

The SNP did not vote FOR the tories.... they voted to bring down an incompetent government which, like every labour government, left the country bankrupted and in chaos, with rubbish on the street and the dead unburied. But, shall we remind everyone why the SNP voted to bring down the dreadful Callaghan administration?

What can we say about a parcel o'rogues party which subverts democracy for its own self-interest?

The people of Scotland voted in favour of devolution but Scottish labour's 40% fix (sorry, "amendment") proved that the labour party in Scotland - with the complicity and acquiescence of its unionist fellow-travellers, was prepared to deny democracy to the people they were elected to represent.

How should we describe such people, do you think? Do tell.

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow ish

"Just to remind the revisionists - 1979, the snp laid a motion of no confidence in the then Labour government. This passed 311 - 310, with the 11 Snp MP's voting with the Thatcher ran tory party.

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. You're a labour activist, aren't you? And therefore a true revisionist!

What can we say about a parcel o'rogues party which subverts democracy for its own self-interest?

How should we describe such people, do you think? Do tell."

I'm not anyone's activist. Typical Nat ploy.. J ' accuse, j ' accuse!

What next, Uncle jock, quizling, traitor or "not a true scot"?

If the union is so bad why do you want to keep the pound? Currency union? DVLA? Tax office? Passport Office? Etc.

So the 40% thing wasn't good and the incumbent labour government was poor. Surely the Nats could have waited for the government to implode instead of getting into bed with the tories... nah we wouldn't vote wi them would we?

As for denying democracy - 44% of the total vote is not a mandate.

Hands up who voted for

A single state police force (some with guns openly on the waist)?

State guardians for our kids?("parents only have a role in their upbringing")

The pending death of corroboration.

Oh and as for a fairer society, why did they vote against raising the tax threshold to 10K?

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By *leasure domMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Just to remind the revisionists - 1979, the snp laid a motion of no confidence in the then Labour government. This passed 311 - 310, with the 11 Snp MP's voting with the Thatcher ran tory party.

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. You're a labour activist, aren't you? And therefore a true revisionist!

What can we say about a parcel o'rogues party which subverts democracy for its own self-interest?

How should we describe such people, do you think? Do tell.

I'm not anyone's activist. Typical Nat ploy.. J ' accuse, j ' accuse!

What next, Uncle jock, quizling, traitor or "not a true scot"?

If the union is so bad why do you want to keep the pound? Currency union? DVLA? Tax office? Passport Office? Etc.

As for denying democracy - 44% of the total vote is not a mandate.

Hands up who voted for

A single state police force (some with guns openly on the waist)?

State guardians for our kids?("parents only have a role in their upbringing")

The pending death of corroboration.

Oh and as for a fairer society, why did they vote against raising the tax threshold to 10K?

It is perfectly reasonable to assume that anyone who would raise the labour revisionist distortion of the truth over the 1979 denial of democracy would be a labour activist as that is part of their distorted vision of the world.

One does not expect that of anyone who is prepared to debate objectively. The very fact that you would support such a position, or use it as part of your argument, brings me back to the question of motivation.

The SNP position in 1979 was entirely understandable and despatched a rabid dog of a government which was tearing the country to pieces. You would wish to have prolonged that misery?

DVLA etc, sharing (and paying for!) certain bureaucratic functions is a different issue from political independence. It is in the interests of both rUK and Scotland to continue such arrangements.

As for the other points, there are many in the YES campaign who are very uncomfortable with certain aspects of the SNP's amendments to the justice system, but to conflate SNP policy with the single-issue YES campaign is disingenuous.

Before this thread becomes overheated, I shall depart, with one question....

Would you agree or disagree that a party (labour) which is prepared to subvert democracy for its own ends is abhorrent, indecent and unworthy of the trust of the electorate?

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

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The SNP position in 1979 was entirely understandable and despatched a rabid dog of a government which was tearing the country to pieces. You would wish to have prolonged that misery?

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Even if that were true ( it isn't) you prefer all those years of Thatcher misery ??????

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow ish

Before this thread becomes overheated, I shall depart, with one question....

Would you agree or disagree that a party (labour) which is prepared to subvert democracy for its own ends is abhorrent, indecent and unworthy of the trust of the electorate? "

Ah, it's now "trust", "subvert democracy" etc.

You have an SNP driven white paper at the very heart of the Yes campaign. We seldom hear from anyone other than the 3 S's, so we must "trust" what they say?

A party with less than 50% of the vote or to put it another way 22% of the electoral register.

If the Yes campaign was so open and apolitical, then surely it should have been Blair Jenkins debating with Alistair Darling?

I personally think that all politicians are only in it for themselves.

Snouts in the trough of public funding. Even blessed Saint eck stands accused!

£54k on "fripperies"

£250 tartan troo's

£600 of "food bills"

Oh, you do realise that the white paper is "aspirational"

Aka a wish list.

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

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If the Yes campaign was so open and apolitical, then surely it should have been Blair Jenkins debating with Alistair Darling?

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Is should have been Canavan v Darling. Chair v Chair.

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