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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Soooo what do the rest of Scotland think about the upcoming vote

Personally I'm voting yes change is need

Do I want Alex salmond feck no !!!!!!!

But I think Scotland can thrive on its own with the resources we have

Countries smaller can do why not us ????

English Tories dictating and money pinching let us decide for our selfs ............. What you think ???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I aint voting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh shit, here we go again, cue the diatribe to follow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Saying nowt.....my recognising a yes voter skills are gettin shit hot though !!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Lol it's good to hear other peoples _iews I find it interesting iv never ever voted as there all lying bastards lol but this time I will

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm voting yes, like you said time for a change. If we'd be better together why aren't we already better?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

True m8 Scotland would have it way better if we weren't handed a budget but we done our own out money goes on fixing London roads down south ffs geez a break tommy Sheridan video is tops man lol he's like Mel Gibson

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Great yet another post about this. Let the childish arguments begin...

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By *ustcutieWoman
over a year ago

edinburgh

"Great yet another post about this. Let the childish arguments begin..."

Oh I dunno .... The ranting and raving has helped my block list get even bigger

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Lol ud block me if I messaged you anyways lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Great yet another post about this. Let the childish arguments begin...

Oh I dunno .... The ranting and raving has helped my block list get even bigger

PMSL

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By *ustcutieWoman
over a year ago

edinburgh

"Lol ud block me if I messaged you anyways lol

Haven't seen you ranting yet... And I have good filters set

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i am sure "nik" and "duncan" will be about soon... they can smell a referendum thread a mile away... I sure they have alerts!!!

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By *ustcutieWoman
over a year ago

edinburgh

"i am sure "nik" and "duncan" will be about soon... they can smell a referendum thread a mile away... I sure they have alerts!!!

Will you shushhhh I was enjoying my afternoon

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow

"Great yet another post about this. Let the childish arguments begin...

Oh I dunno .... The ranting and raving has helped my block list get even bigger

We find the football ones handy for that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i am sure "nik" and "duncan" will be about soon... they can smell a referendum thread a mile away... I sure they have alerts!!!

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you don't do. Too badly. Yourself. At finding. The referendum. Threads

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"you don't do. Too badly. Yourself. At finding. The referendum. Threads

this is true... i just like asking the questions I know one side will stumble over and give the party line.... its actually peversely fun to watch them trip up again and again.....

I just hope I don't end up saying "be careful of what you wished for" and how it effects us in north east england....

you may think it only effects you guys.... it sadly doesn't

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By *ustforalaugh1Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I aint voting"

You have to vote!

It's way to big a deal not to.

Yes OR no, it doesn't matter which, but you HAVE to vote.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I aint voting

You have to vote!

It's way to big a deal not to.

Yes OR no, it doesn't matter which, but you HAVE to vote.

No one has to do anything if they don't want. We have the right to vote yes or no. Or to not vote at all. This country runs a democracy not a dictatorship.

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By *ustforalaugh1Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I aint voting

You have to vote!

It's way to big a deal not to.

Yes OR no, it doesn't matter which, but you HAVE to vote.

No one has to do anything if they don't want. We have the right to vote yes or no. Or to not vote at all. This country runs a democracy not a dictatorship. "

And democracy is all about having your say. Your voice being heard. Being part of the decision making process.

No vote; no voice.

And no complaints after the event as you weren't part of the process.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I aint voting

You have to vote!

It's way to big a deal not to.

Yes OR no, it doesn't matter which, but you HAVE to vote.

"
also have a choice whether i do....enough said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I aint voting

You have to vote!

It's way to big a deal not to.

Yes OR no, it doesn't matter which, but you HAVE to vote.

No one has to do anything if they don't want. We have the right to vote yes or no. Or to not vote at all. This country runs a democracy not a dictatorship. "
thankyou i couldnt have put it better myself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I aint voting

You have to vote!

It's way to big a deal not to.

Yes OR no, it doesn't matter which, but you HAVE to vote.

No one has to do anything if they don't want. We have the right to vote yes or no. Or to not vote at all. This country runs a democracy not a dictatorship.

And democracy is all about having your say. Your voice being heard. Being part of the decision making process.

No vote; no voice.

And no complaints after the event as you weren't part of the process. "

Exactly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well if i thought id be complaining i would vote wouldnt i...jeeeezz lol

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

it's a No from me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its not going to make any difference to my life i will still be skint screwed over for tax and pay more in fuel bills than any other country in the world plus we also have the highest tax rate in the world and none of that is going to change.

Also the Scottish government are looking to bring in stricter alcohol laws so soon i won't even be able to enjoy some of my favorite ales and ciders as they deem them to strong

i am not debating or trying to convince anyone am right but to me and many of my friends and family the only way to vote is NO

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By *lue4youCouple
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

Yes

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

".....

Also the Scottish government are looking to bring in stricter alcohol laws so soon i won't even be able to enjoy some of my favorite ales and ciders as they deem them to strong

i am not debating or trying to convince anyone am right but to me and many of my friends and family the only way to vote is NO "

I'm not against minimum pricing per unit of alcohol but its crazy that the extra profit goes to the retailer (Tesco, Spar etc).

Put the money to good causes!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I aint voting

You have to vote!

It's way to big a deal not to.

Yes OR no, it doesn't matter which, but you HAVE to vote.

No one has to do anything if they don't want. We have the right to vote yes or no. Or to not vote at all. This country runs a democracy not a dictatorship.

And democracy is all about having your say. Your voice being heard. Being part of the decision making process.

No vote; no voice.

And no complaints after the event as you weren't part of the process. "

I agree, if you choose not to vote you don't have a right to complain about the end result, however you still don't HAVE to vote. That's the point I'm making

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just for the record...i have the choice whether to complain or not too..... My point for not voting is i dont know enough about it so rather than make a misinformed vote..id rather do none at all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"its not going to make any difference to my life i will still be skint screwed over for tax and pay more in fuel bills than any other country in the world plus we also have the highest tax rate in the world and none of that is going to change.

Also the Scottish government are looking to bring in stricter alcohol laws so soon i won't even be able to enjoy some of my favorite ales and ciders as they deem them to strong

i am not debating or trying to convince anyone am right but to me and many of my friends and family the only way to vote is NO "

Lol so you are saying that right now your life is shit so you're not going to vote for change because your life might still be shit!

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By *ustforalaugh1Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Fair enough.

But wouldn't it make more sense to find out more about it so you CAN make an informed decision?

But you're right, if you don't want to vote you don't have to. Just seems a waste of your democratic right.

Hey ho, each to their own I suppose.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fair enough.

But wouldn't it make more sense to find out more about it so you CAN make an informed decision?

But you're right, if you don't want to vote you don't have to. Just seems a waste of your democratic right.

Hey ho, each to their own I suppose. "
wouldnt know how to...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also the Scottish government are looking to bring in stricter alcohol laws so soon i won't even be able to enjoy some of my favorite ales and ciders as they deem them to strong

i am not debating or trying to convince anyone am right but to me and many of my friends and family the only way to vote is NO

Lol so you are saying that right now your life is shit so you're not going to vote for change because your life might still be shit!

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no might will be are they going to lower tax or bring down the cost of fuel. Thats right we get independents we will all have more money

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I aint voting

You have to vote!

It's way to big a deal not to.

Yes OR no, it doesn't matter which, but you HAVE to vote.

No one has to do anything if they don't want. We have the right to vote yes or no. Or to not vote at all. This country runs a democracy not a dictatorship.

And democracy is all about having your say. Your voice being heard. Being part of the decision making process.

No vote; no voice.

And no complaints after the event as you weren't part of the process. "
Which is fine in theory, but we are kinda experiencing some shitty divisional un-democratic nonsense about it all.

Randm people, who just because they have the yes T-shirt and Yes everything else suddenly feel its ok to put you on the spot and want to know if your voting Yes or else,,oops i mean or not

Even seen the see-saw thing of blaming each other if yes wins and its not the dream and becomes a nightmare, all Yes voters fault, and if it stays the same and that becomes tough going, All the No voters fault

Quite a fan of demcracy and indeed freedom, yet already having to think twice about what i say and who i say it to ?? Not much freedom in that is there really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes

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By *ustforalaugh1Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I aint voting

You have to vote!

It's way to big a deal not to.

Yes OR no, it doesn't matter which, but you HAVE to vote.

No one has to do anything if they don't want. We have the right to vote yes or no. Or to not vote at all. This country runs a democracy not a dictatorship.

And democracy is all about having your say. Your voice being heard. Being part of the decision making process.

No vote; no voice.

And no complaints after the event as you weren't part of the process. Which is fine in theory, but we are kinda experiencing some shitty divisional un-democratic nonsense about it all.

Randm people, who just because they have the yes T-shirt and Yes everything else suddenly feel its ok to put you on the spot and want to know if your voting Yes or else,,oops i mean or not

Quite a fan of demcracy and indeed freedom, yet already having to think twice about what i say and who i say it to ?? Not much freedom in that is there really.

Couldn't agree more!

You may have noticed I don't advocate either side. Simply the importance of using your vote. And even that got me in some peoples cross hairs.

PMSL!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not saying

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

After the last one, saying nothing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also the Scottish government are looking to bring in stricter alcohol laws so soon i won't even be able to enjoy some of my favorite ales and ciders as they deem them to strong

i am not debating or trying to convince anyone am right but to me and many of my friends and family the only way to vote is NO "

Actually, the UK has the 8th highest tax rate in the world

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Undecided

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I aint voting

You have to vote!

It's way to big a deal not to.

Yes OR no, it doesn't matter which, but you HAVE to vote.

No one has to do anything if they don't want. We have the right to vote yes or no. Or to not vote at all. This country runs a democracy not a dictatorship. "
Not yet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Voting Yes and to be honest, wouldn't want to spend a Fab evening with a No voter or a Tory, which is tantamount to the same thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Voting Yes and to be honest, wouldn't want to spend a Fab evening with a No voter or a Tory, which is tantamount to the same thing. "
politics would be furthest thing on my mind on a fab meet. Loving the freedom ideal though..lol.

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By *rjandmrskCouple
over a year ago

West Dunbartonshire

No from us.

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By *rjandmrskCouple
over a year ago

West Dunbartonshire

"Great yet another post about this. Let the childish arguments begin...

Oh I dunno .... The ranting and raving has helped my block list get even bigger

love this so agree. Block list ever growing. K x

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By *uboCouple
over a year ago

East kilbride

Way i see it is simple.

Half of the time Scotland is governed by the tories who get into power purely on the English vote. When in power they shit on us first as they know there is no risk to their main voters in England.

Only way to stop a tory government is a vote for Independence

YES

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By *abrina59TV/TS
over a year ago

moved to cuckold land

So we then left with a constant labour/socialist Scottish govt who have when in power have made same mess of the country as tories

Damned if we do damned if we dont eh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Way i see it is simple.

Half of the time Scotland is governed by the tories who get into power purely on the English vote. When in power they shit on us first as they know there is no risk to their main voters in England.

Only way to stop a tory government is a vote for Independence

YES "
And then what? And thats the bit that will get as many no votes, cause all we get is big shouts of Yes with no too much behind it, little assurances or stats that add up.

The whole idea is an Alex Salmond dream thats just gained momentum, was it ALL of scotland that demanded a referendum? No, not even half the country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wondered how long it would take you or Onny to spout some of that nonsense. The Home Rule movement started long before Alex Salmond was born. To reduce the dreams and aspirations of millions of Scots to petty jibes about one man is one of the saddest, cheapest and most insulting of the BetterTogether lines.

There are no more cast-iron guarantees from the Unionists about the future than the are from the independence campaign. Because none of them have psychic powers. Apart from all of the Unionist parties promising more austerity and to be tougher than the previous government on the poor.

This vote is not about salmond or about if we are capable of going it alone - only the most rabid unionutter claims we couldn't - it is about deciding whether you want or 5 million voices heard by a government who have many millions more wanting something completely different most of the time or one whose focus is on what's best for those 5 million.

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By *ub AndyMan
over a year ago

glasgow

I'm voting yes as it stands 8% (fact) in The House of Commons look after Scotland's (my) interests. Don't think I will be richer ir poorer but would like to think 100% of MSPS will look out for us. If not then there is more accountability. Just a thought.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wondered how long it would take you or Onny to spout some of that nonsense. The Home Rule movement started long before Alex Salmond was born. To reduce the dreams and aspirations of millions of Scots to petty jibes about one man is one of the saddest, cheapest and most insulting of the BetterTogether lines.

Thats a fraction of the total uk population, and magically we can still finance and balance everything by being a smaller independant country ? Nobody will tell me how, bt nae doot some nugget will be along with dross about just be brave n proud and its our time etc, which is lovely, still does'nt explain it though, does it !

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By *macv9Woman
over a year ago

Glasgow

My yes vote isn't based on either bravery or pride.

I just prefer the type of Government that offers the likes of free tuition (Labour), free prescriptions (SNP), genuine protection of the NHS (probably all of them), getting rid of Trident (SNP and Green) and being prepared to speak out against Israel's attacks on Gaza.

I'd rather not have a Government that does none of these and instead does things like go to war against Iraq (Labour, with Tory backing) and penalises disabled people for having spare rooms (Conservative, with Labour doing nothing).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agree with most of that. But why am i starting to think some people think this is like an election ? Its no a wee 4 year try it n see. Its totally changing something for ever.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In as much as anything is "forever", then yes. And I'm still "yes", probably because of it more than in spite of it. - Why people seem to think the status quo is so great baffles me.

Scotland is culturally, historically and politically different to the rUK - I'm English, I've been here a long time, I've *noticed* how things aren't the same here. And yet England-shaped solutions are applied to Scotland's problems.

The matters that aren't devolved, such as social security, defence etc, are entirely out of kilter with the wishes and experiences of the Scottish people, yet still they persist.

Westminster doesn't take Scotland seriously (the popular caricature is of people on benefits, "taking" from "hardworking (sic) families" - forgetting that we are net contributors to the rUK coffers) and so we influence nothing as part of the UK.

Until a couple of weeks ago, I was a No. But I'd rather be part of a country that reshapes itself into a more fair and cohesive one than one which glosses over divisions and increases inequality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I aint voting

You have to vote!

It's way to big a deal not to.

Yes OR no, it doesn't matter which, but you HAVE to vote.

No one has to do anything if they don't want. We have the right to vote yes or no. Or to not vote at all. This country runs a democracy not a dictatorship.

And democracy is all about having your say. Your voice being heard. Being part of the decision making process.

No vote; no voice.

And no complaints after the event as you weren't part of the process. "

yeap I agree people should vote or shutup n stop complaining.

ffs people fought to get the vote use it

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By *uboCouple
over a year ago

East kilbride

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By *uboCouple
over a year ago

East kilbride

"I'm voting yes as it stands 8% (fact) in The House of Commons look after Scotland's (my) interests. Don't think I will be richer ir poorer but would like to think 100% of MSPS will look out for us. If not then there is more accountability. Just a thought."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I aint voting

You have to vote!

It's way to big a deal not to.

Yes OR no, it doesn't matter which, but you HAVE to vote.

No one has to do anything if they don't want. We have the right to vote yes or no. Or to not vote at all. This country runs a democracy not a dictatorship.

And democracy is all about having your say. Your voice being heard. Being part of the decision making process.

No vote; no voice.

And no complaints after the event as you weren't part of the process. "

well said, it isn't a right its a DUTY!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Great yet another post about this. Let the childish arguments begin...

Oh I dunno .... The ranting and raving has helped my block list get even bigger

Oh no, does that mean me? What will I do now? Guess I'll just have to keep not looking at your profile and not talking to you like I did before eh...

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