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"Just watched Nigel on the Andrew marr show from this morning and omg what a load of shite that man talks! Now it seems he's going after the labour voters talking about living wage etc The UKIP are just the evolution of parties like the National Front and the BNP. No matter how respectable they may try and make themselves they're nothing more than a bunch of dim witted, bigoted, xenophobic fuckwits! Here endeth the rant ![]() ![]() ![]() Couldn't agree more, its much like the rise of that Britain first etc 50 years on and we still haven't learnt to all just see ourselfs as human beings, race colour sexuality does not matter one bit! | |||
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"Just watched Nigel on the Andrew marr show from this morning and omg what a load of shite that man talks! Now it seems he's going after the labour voters talking about living wage etc The UKIP are just the evolution of parties like the National Front and the BNP. No matter how respectable they may try and make themselves they're nothing more than a bunch of dim witted, bigoted, xenophobic fuckwits! Here endeth the rant ![]() ![]() ![]() Excuse me, keep your extreme language and thoughts to yourself, please!! | |||
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"they're nothing more than a bunch of dim witted, bigoted, xenophobic fuckwits! Here endeth the rant ![]() ![]() ![]() Wow, and I thought I was actually a decent, caring human being... Thanks for pointing out what we're all really like... ![]() ![]() | |||
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"UKIP are a protest vote to get the bloated old school to waken up and actually listen to the voters, happened before, will happen again" this not what was said about libdem lol | |||
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"UKIP are a protest vote to get the bloated old school to waken up and actually listen to the voters, happened before, will happen againthis not what was said about libdem lol " When they were the soccial democrats yes, and it worked, it shook ideas up for a while | |||
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"An independant Scotland in the EU? Maybe after an extended application which has already been rejected by at least two other EU leaders and the EU president. At least Alex Salmond will be busy thinking of a new currency, trying to get into the EU and NATO while trying to dismantle 300 years of shared history." The currency will be the pound. It is seriously baffling the number of people that don't get this with the vote so close. The euro is not even remotely an option. It's either pound in currency union or it's pound with no currency union. Anyone telling us "we don't know what the currency will be" is either misunderstanding or lying. | |||
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"An independant Scotland in the EU? Maybe after an extended application which has already been rejected by at least two other EU leaders and the EU president. At least Alex Salmond will be busy thinking of a new currency, trying to get into the EU and NATO while trying to dismantle 300 years of shared history. The currency will be the pound. It is seriously baffling the number of people that don't get this with the vote so close. The euro is not even remotely an option. It's either pound in currency union or it's pound with no currency union. Anyone telling us "we don't know what the currency will be" is either misunderstanding or lying. " That's my point!! It won't be a UK pound so would need to a seperate Scottish pound. Do you want to see Alex Salmond's ugly mug on one side of a banknote? | |||
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"At least Alex Salmond will be busy thinking of a new currency, trying to get into the EU and NATO while trying to dismantle 300 years of shared history." And what do you say to the 1100 years of Indipendant History that was wiped out 307 years ago? | |||
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" Do you want to see Alex Salmond's ugly mug on one side of a banknote?" Please tell me you don't actually think that's in any way possible. | |||
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"Just watched Nigel on the Andrew marr show from this morning and omg what a load of shite that man talks! Now it seems he's going after the labour voters talking about living wage etc The UKIP are just the evolution of parties like the National Front and the BNP. No matter how respectable they may try and make themselves they're nothing more than a bunch of dim witted, bigoted, xenophobic fuckwits! Here endeth the rant ![]() ![]() ![]() Extreme language, are you having a laugh? The whole point of the thread was to stimulate debate so because I have an opposing view to yours and can't stand the pseudo Fascists of the UKIP I've to be quiet? Wind yer neck in mate! | |||
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"they're nothing more than a bunch of dim witted, bigoted, xenophobic fuckwits! Here endeth the rant ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() An opinion I'm entitled to of the UKIP give not a jot whether you agree or not. Only have to look at some of their candidates outbursts e.g. Compulsory abortion for children identified as having Down syndrome to see the type of people they are! You call that type of thinking caring? | |||
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"they're nothing more than a bunch of dim witted, bigoted, xenophobic fuckwits! Here endeth the rant ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I don't agree with all they say, but name calling because you don't agree with something should be left for the playground... If you wan't to have a debate, cool but name calling really? And actually you'll find I'm one caring mother fucker but hey you'll never have the privilege of knowing ![]() | |||
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"I read in one of the Sunday rags that ukip are going to target posh davie Camerons sole tory mp in Scotland .just think, Scotland could be tory free thanks to the beery lad from the south ![]() Has it not been tory free or are near as for a few decades x | |||
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"What i want to know is who the fuck voted ukip in Scotland? Maybe if someone tells me i will get to sleep ![]() Nah defo not me, I was too tied up on voting day ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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" Do you want to see Alex Salmond's ugly mug on one side of a banknote? Please tell me you don't actually think that's in any way possible. " Please tell me you don't believe in any way it isn't | |||
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"What i want to know is who the fuck voted ukip in Scotland? Maybe if someone tells me i will get to sleep ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() PMSL ![]() ![]() | |||
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"What i want to know is who the fuck voted ukip in Scotland? Maybe if someone tells me i will get to sleep ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Literally??? | |||
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"What i want to know is who the fuck voted ukip in Scotland? Maybe if someone tells me i will get to sleep ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() aye ukip have got a seat in Scotland . . .literally ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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" Please tell me you don't believe in any way it isn't" Christ almighty. The way some people actually think things work... | |||
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" Please tell me you don't believe in any way it isn't Christ almighty. The way some people actually think things work... " Totally underwhelmed by your arrogance | |||
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" Please tell me you don't believe in any way it isn't Christ almighty. The way some people actually think things work... Totally underwhelmed by your arrogance" So just to sum up - just so we are clear. You actually think there is a chance that in an independent Scotland, Alex Salmond could have his face on the money? | |||
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" Please tell me you don't believe in any way it isn't Christ almighty. The way some people actually think things work... Totally underwhelmed by your arrogance So just to sum up - just so we are clear. You actually think there is a chance that in an independent Scotland, Alex Salmond could have his face on the money?" To fully sum up, you think there's no chance, puhlease, get real stop toeing the party line and look at the real world | |||
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"An independant Scotland in the EU? Maybe after an extended application which has already been rejected by at least two other EU leaders and the EU president. At least Alex Salmond will be busy thinking of a new currency, trying to get into the EU and NATO while trying to dismantle 300 years of shared history. The currency will be the pound. It is seriously baffling the number of people that don't get this with the vote so close. The euro is not even remotely an option. It's either pound in currency union or it's pound with no currency union. Anyone telling us "we don't know what the currency will be" is either misunderstanding or lying. " You honestly think a new independent government, should it happen, would want to proceed with a currently that has no lender of last resort in case something goes wrong? Also, should an independent Scotland apply to join the EU, it may be a condition of acceptance that we adopt the Euro so no, its not clear cut by any stretch of the imagination. "We don't know what the currency is" because nothing has been agreed and is therefor subject to change so it's you who have misunderstood the perceived straight-forward nature of the subject. | |||
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" To fully sum up, you think there's no chance, puhlease, get real stop toeing the party line and look at the real world " Ok. It's not no chance. But there is also a chance that the Bank of England could put Nigel farage on their money. The chances are the same though. You need to get real. There is a big important debate happening with real issues. | |||
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" You honestly think a new independent government, should it happen, would want to proceed with a currently that has no lender of last resort in case something goes wrong? Also, should an independent Scotland apply to join the EU, it may be a condition of acceptance that we adopt the Euro so no, its not clear cut by any stretch of the imagination. "We don't know what the currency is" because nothing has been agreed and is therefor subject to change so it's you who have misunderstood the perceived straight-forward nature of the subject." Yes I do think we can proceed with our own currency. But I am also as sure as I can possibly be of a currency union. Either option is preferable to the current set up. We cannot be forced into the euro. No one can enforce a currency on a nation and there is no legal mechanism to strip a people of their eu citizenship. This eu debate is a strange one. The Tories are holding an in/out referendum and ukip just won the feckin election. But hey, Scotland becoming independent is a threat to membership! | |||
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"Pmsl typical starts off about ukip next thing you know its vote yes you cowards how about this ive researched the subject at lemgth and for me its a no preferably devo max and I aont no coward ![]() It's very relevent though. The two topics are very linked! Surely you see that. By the way - Devo max is not on offer. If you believe we are getting more powers even though we could surely have had them already if it were such a good idea then you are really buying a classic polictician lie. Jam tomorrow. | |||
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"That one of those "ive said it so its right" dream on I have a mind and can use it same as most you want a refurendum post go make one instead of turning every post into a yes campagn lol ![]() Oh Kola... You've started him off now.. ![]() ![]() | |||
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"That one of those "ive said it so its right" dream on I have a mind and can use it same as most you want a refurendum post go make one instead of turning every post into a yes campagn lol ![]() ![]() ![]() Agreed, brace yourselves, here comes the bullshit, oh sorry, considered argument where every fact is absolutely genuine (other opinions are available as are other facts which are bollocks as well) | |||
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"This lurch to the right England is taking is a bigger risk to all of us than any of the utter garbage being chucked about by better together. Politics of privatisation, look after the rich and blame the poor, immigrants out etc is nothing like the Scotland I know or want to live with. UKIP were an irrelevance and have been promoted by the bbc on your licence fee and now they are significant. Their policies, when analysed, range from ill-thought-out to dangerous and one of then now speaks on Scotland's behalf because most people didn't care enough. And who can blame them. Your vote doesn't matter in Britain. " Speaks on Scotland's behalf and lives in London...sounds familiar huh? | |||
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"they're nothing more than a bunch of dim witted, bigoted, xenophobic fuckwits! Here endeth the rant ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Name calling..really? Given the nature of this site and the fact that we're all adults I would have thought that the use of "industrial language" would not have offended the sensitivities of some members. Apparently not but the aborting of children on the basis of them being physically or mentally impaired, the forced repatriation of migrant workers deemed as undesirable and a raft of other far right pseudo Nazi policies is acceptable? Offensive language to describe the UKIP, a party whom IN MY OPINION, are the most reprehensible group of political activists operating today within the UK. I'll end my point by quoting Martin Neimoller, the German pastor and vociferous opponent of a party similar to the UKIP "First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me." | |||
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"What i want to know is who the fuck voted ukip in Scotland? Maybe if someone tells me i will get to sleep ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Yes literally lol ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"An independant Scotland in the EU? Maybe after an extended application which has already been rejected by at least two other EU leaders and the EU president. At least Alex Salmond will be busy thinking of a new currency, trying to get into the EU and NATO while trying to dismantle 300 years of shared history. The currency will be the pound. It is seriously baffling the number of people that don't get this with the vote so close. The euro is not even remotely an option. It's either pound in currency union or it's pound with no currency union. Anyone telling us "we don't know what the currency will be" is either misunderstanding or lying. " Yes indeed it will be the pound and Scotland will be dictated to by a forgien government on its economic policy !!! I am still wondering if it is worth voting yes !!!!! | |||
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" Yes indeed it will be the pound and Scotland will be dictated to by a forgien government on its economic policy !!! I am still wondering if it is worth voting yes !!!!!" The Bank of England is independent of government and has a job of setting interests rates to best look after the interests of both nations. Remember Scotland is a richer nation than the rest of the UK. This arrangement is very much in England's best interests too. The whole point if independence is that we keep every penny we raise and use it to best meet Scotland's needs and we get governments we vote for every time. No ukip, no Tory, no dangerous right wing politics. We don't vote for any of that. It just happens to us! | |||
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"What i want to know is who the fuck voted ukip in Scotland? Maybe if someone tells me i will get to sleep ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Intersting were any pics taken? ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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" Yes indeed it will be the pound and Scotland will be dictated to by a forgien government on its economic policy !!! I am still wondering if it is worth voting yes !!!!! The Bank of England is independent of government and has a job of setting interests rates to best look after the interests of both nations. Remember Scotland is a richer nation than the rest of the UK. This arrangement is very much in England's best interests too. The whole point if independence is that we keep every penny we raise and use it to best meet Scotland's needs and we get governments we vote for every time. No ukip, no Tory, no dangerous right wing politics. We don't vote for any of that. It just happens to us!" ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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" Yes indeed it will be the pound and Scotland will be dictated to by a forgien government on its economic policy !!! I am still wondering if it is worth voting yes !!!!! The Bank of England is independent of government and has a job of setting interests rates to best look after the interests of both nations. Remember Scotland is a richer nation than the rest of the UK. This arrangement is very much in England's best interests too. The whole point if independence is that we keep every penny we raise and use it to best meet Scotland's needs and we get governments we vote for every time. No ukip, no Tory, no dangerous right wing politics. We don't vote for any of that. It just happens to us!" "The Bank of England is independent of government and has a job of setting interests rates to best look after the interests of both nations." Really, I wonder who propagated that falsehood?. The Bank of England will look after the £ Sterling by setting interest rates etc in London, in what way is that economic independence for Scotland? "Remember Scotland is a richer nation than the rest of the UK." source please, and not some yes campaign website, a believeable independent source with no agenda Seriously, stop evangelising and try looking outside of your narrow "yes at any cost" tunnel please it actively puts me off the yes campaign | |||
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" "Remember Scotland is a richer nation than the rest of the UK." source please, and not some yes campaign website, a believeable independent source with no agenda Seriously, stop evangelising and try looking outside of your narrow "yes at any cost" tunnel please it actively puts me off the yes campaign " GERS figures. This is old news. Scotland is 14th richest in OECD and the uk is the 18th. Do you ever wonder why Westminster are so keen to hold into us? Why are the Tories promising the world to hang on a nation that hates them and never votes for them? Nostalgia? No one is evangelising. Some of us just look further than the spoon fed propaganda you are being subject to from the bbc. | |||
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" "Remember Scotland is a richer nation than the rest of the UK." source please, and not some yes campaign website, a believeable independent source with no agenda Seriously, stop evangelising and try looking outside of your narrow "yes at any cost" tunnel please it actively puts me off the yes campaign GERS figures. This is old news. Scotland is 14th richest in OECD and the uk is the 18th. Do you ever wonder why Westminster are so keen to hold into us? Why are the Tories promising the world to hang on a nation that hates them and never votes for them? Nostalgia? No one is evangelising. Some of us just look further than the spoon fed propaganda you are being subject to from the bbc. " So I went and looked and you're absolutely right it is old news, pity about the update http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/analysis-gers-report-is-bad-news-for-the-scottish-governement-and-the-yes-c.1394629491 Nasty nasty BBC, oh wait its that bastion of the English media the Glasgow herald, how could I ever trust it Or should I only believe what you tell me | |||
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"That'll be a yes then to only believing you then as everyone else (especially those who disagree) tell lies hmmmmmm" Told you not to start him off... ![]() | |||
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"That'll be a yes then to only believing you then as everyone else (especially those who disagree) tell lies hmmmmmm Told you not to start him off... ![]() Forgive me wee one, I can resist anything except temptation ![]() ![]() | |||
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"......... Why don't you watch "economic case for Scottish independence" on YouTube. Ivan McKee. ...... " 'Cos it's bollox. | |||
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"That'll be a yes then to only believing you then as everyone else (especially those who disagree) tell lies hmmmmmm Told you not to start him off... ![]() ![]() ![]() You ever notice how it's always the 'yes' brigade who come marching in with their views trying to get everyone to agree with them and go against their own opinions on voting no.. ![]() | |||
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"That'll be a yes then to only believing you then as everyone else (especially those who disagree) tell lies hmmmmmm Told you not to start him off... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() No, really ![]() ![]() | |||
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" You ever notice how it's always the 'yes' brigade who come marching in with their views trying to get everyone to agree with them and go against their own opinions on voting no.. ![]() But no one is marching in anywhere with their views. It's a political thread on a discussion board and my views are shared by at least 40% of the population. If you don't want to debate it, why don't you leave the thread? If I am not accepting his point of view it is because his evidence (herald article) didn't prove his point, rather it backed up mine. The evidence I provided is a government document which is accepted by all sides as the official financial figures. I'm sorry but I can't make it any clearer than that. | |||
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"So ya aint changed thread to yes campaign pish as usual ?? " The thread is about the rise of ukip and it is in the Scotland forum. You are surprised that independence comes up. Ok. I'll leave it there then. | |||
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"That'll be a yes then to only believing you then as everyone else (especially those who disagree) tell lies hmmmmmm Told you not to start him off... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Very Putinesque. Funny how both Eck and Farage have recorded their admiration for Putin in recent weeks. | |||
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"Live in Scotland? Want to be part of EU? Vote yes in the referendum ![]() ![]() Sorry for being thick, but how can you be independent in the united states of the EU?? ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Live in Scotland? Want to be part of EU? Vote yes in the referendum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Bothy Bothy Bothy, The yes campaign, The First Minister and his acolytes and evangelists have said tis so, how very dare you question it you erzats Scotsman you ![]() ![]() | |||
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"I'm no being funny but are you on crack? You came in with your the currency WILL be the pound and better together talk utter garbage stuff..." Actually, it was Bikerbob who brought up currency, not Duncan. The latter just commented on it. The unionists in this thread are the ones who have been throwing around insults and simply ignoring or slashing anything that contradicts their viewpoint. The sole attempt at a 'fact' was quoting a Unionist-written article on the latest gers figures which Duncan quickly refuted. Then it was right back to "you must reject everything that is said to you" comments. For once, unionists, at least try to debate on a level that actually counts as debate. ![]() | |||
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