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By *iscottish OP Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Just watched Nigel on the Andrew marr show from this morning and omg what a load of shite that man talks! Now it seems he's going after the labour voters talking about living wage etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just watched Nigel on the Andrew marr show from this morning and omg what a load of shite that man talks! Now it seems he's going after the labour voters talking about living wage etc "

The UKIP are just the evolution of parties like the National Front and the BNP. No matter how respectable they may try and make themselves they're nothing more than a bunch of dim witted, bigoted, xenophobic fuckwits! Here endeth the rant

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By *iscottish OP Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Just watched Nigel on the Andrew marr show from this morning and omg what a load of shite that man talks! Now it seems he's going after the labour voters talking about living wage etc

Couldn't agree more, its much like the rise of that Britain first etc 50 years on and we still haven't learnt to all just see ourselfs as human beings, race colour sexuality does not matter one bit!

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

Pmsl and the other partys are shining examples of decency ............ bring on anarchy

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By *wiftieeMan
over a year ago

near Glasgow

"Just watched Nigel on the Andrew marr show from this morning and omg what a load of shite that man talks! Now it seems he's going after the labour voters talking about living wage etc

Excuse me, keep your extreme language and thoughts to yourself, please!!

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By *nvercoupleCouple
over a year ago

Inverness

Live in Scotland?

Want to be part of EU?

Vote yes in the referendum

What is happening with Ukip is a great example of how Scotland is moving further away in its political views than the rest of the UK.

Large movement of people want away from the EU in the UK, most Scots want to remain part of it. To me its a no brainer

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

An independant Scotland in the EU? Maybe after an extended application which has already been rejected by at least two other EU leaders and the EU president.

At least Alex Salmond will be busy thinking of a new currency, trying to get into the EU and NATO while trying to dismantle 300 years of shared history.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"they're nothing more than a bunch of dim witted, bigoted, xenophobic fuckwits! Here endeth the rant

Wow, and I thought I was actually a decent, caring human being... Thanks for pointing out what we're all really like...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

UKIP are a protest vote to get the bloated old school to waken up and actually listen to the voters, happened before, will happen again

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

"UKIP are a protest vote to get the bloated old school to waken up and actually listen to the voters, happened before, will happen again"
this not what was said about libdem lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"UKIP are a protest vote to get the bloated old school to waken up and actually listen to the voters, happened before, will happen againthis not what was said about libdem lol "

When they were the soccial democrats yes, and it worked, it shook ideas up for a while

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

Well considering wjere the libdems are now not exactly a throw away vote is it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No vote is thrown away if its used

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By *tarburst_88Woman
over a year ago

glasgow

I cant think of ukip without thinking of joey barton on question time..

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By *uncan20004Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"An independant Scotland in the EU? Maybe after an extended application which has already been rejected by at least two other EU leaders and the EU president.

At least Alex Salmond will be busy thinking of a new currency, trying to get into the EU and NATO while trying to dismantle 300 years of shared history."

The currency will be the pound. It is seriously baffling the number of people that don't get this with the vote so close. The euro is not even remotely an option. It's either pound in currency union or it's pound with no currency union. Anyone telling us "we don't know what the currency will be" is either misunderstanding or lying.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I read in one of the Sunday rags that ukip are going to target posh davie Camerons sole tory mp in Scotland .just think, Scotland could be tory free thanks to the beery lad from the south

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"An independant Scotland in the EU? Maybe after an extended application which has already been rejected by at least two other EU leaders and the EU president.

At least Alex Salmond will be busy thinking of a new currency, trying to get into the EU and NATO while trying to dismantle 300 years of shared history.

That's my point!! It won't be a UK pound so would need to a seperate Scottish pound. Do you want to see Alex Salmond's ugly mug on one side of a banknote?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It can't be any worse than having the english queen on the money

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By *ky HookMan
over a year ago

Dundee

"At least Alex Salmond will be busy thinking of a new currency, trying to get into the EU and NATO while trying to dismantle 300 years of shared history."

And what do you say to the 1100 years of Indipendant History that was wiped out 307 years ago?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think we need to have a word with the Dutch,get them to invade and capture england like they did the last time when their king William of Orange fancied owning england ,they are easy going folks so things will probably be a lot smoother with them as our neighbours

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By *uncan20004Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Do you want to see Alex Salmond's ugly mug on one side of a banknote?"

Please tell me you don't actually think that's in any way possible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just watched Nigel on the Andrew marr show from this morning and omg what a load of shite that man talks! Now it seems he's going after the labour voters talking about living wage etc

Excuse me, keep your extreme language and thoughts to yourself, please!!"

Extreme language, are you having a laugh? The whole point of the thread was to stimulate debate so because I have an opposing view to yours and can't stand the pseudo Fascists of the UKIP I've to be quiet? Wind yer neck in mate!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"they're nothing more than a bunch of dim witted, bigoted, xenophobic fuckwits! Here endeth the rant

Wow, and I thought I was actually a decent, caring human being... Thanks for pointing out what we're all really like...

An opinion I'm entitled to of the UKIP give not a jot whether you agree or not. Only have to look at some of their candidates outbursts e.g. Compulsory abortion for children identified as having Down syndrome to see the type of people they are! You call that type of thinking caring?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Look in your wallet/purse, Scotland already has its own pounds. We also have our own legal framework. I struggle to believe that people still think the referendum is about the SNP and that Alex Salmond will be the leader when we gain our independence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They are the lowest common denominator in politics ..they peddle politics of fear.

But if you don't vote this is what rises to the top

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"they're nothing more than a bunch of dim witted, bigoted, xenophobic fuckwits! Here endeth the rant

Wow, and I thought I was actually a decent, caring human being... Thanks for pointing out what we're all really like...

I don't agree with all they say, but name calling because you don't agree with something should be left for the playground... If you wan't to have a debate, cool but name calling really? And actually you'll find I'm one caring mother fucker but hey you'll never have the privilege of knowing

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By *uncan20004Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

This lurch to the right England is taking is a bigger risk to all of us than any of the utter garbage being chucked about by better together.

Politics of privatisation, look after the rich and blame the poor, immigrants out etc is nothing like the Scotland I know or want to live with.

UKIP were an irrelevance and have been promoted by the bbc on your licence fee and now they are significant. Their policies, when analysed, range from ill-thought-out to dangerous and one of then now speaks on Scotland's behalf because most people didn't care enough. And who can blame them. Your vote doesn't matter in Britain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All political parties are full of little liars trying to out do each other with their bullshitting lies to get into power then fuck all changes... Well not for the better anyway.

Just my opinion for what its worth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I read in one of the Sunday rags that ukip are going to target posh davie Camerons sole tory mp in Scotland .just think, Scotland could be tory free thanks to the beery lad from the south

Has it not been tory free or are near as for a few decades x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can see it now, 20 yrs time......granny granny why is Scotland not independent? Why you ask, because no one liked Alex salmon! Granny, who's he??

Use the vote when you can x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

#salmond

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

What i want to know is who the fuck voted ukip in Scotland? Maybe if someone tells me i will get to sleep

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What i want to know is who the fuck voted ukip in Scotland? Maybe if someone tells me i will get to sleep

Nah defo not me, I was too tied up on voting day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I never voted for ukip, I voted for Scotland, unfortunately not everyone in Scotland votes for Scotland, they vote to be part of england

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you want to see Alex Salmond's ugly mug on one side of a banknote?

Please tell me you don't actually think that's in any way possible.

Please tell me you don't believe in any way it isn't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What i want to know is who the fuck voted ukip in Scotland? Maybe if someone tells me i will get to sleep

Nah defo not me, I was too tied up on voting day

PMSL

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By *ky HookMan
over a year ago

Dundee

"What i want to know is who the fuck voted ukip in Scotland? Maybe if someone tells me i will get to sleep

Nah defo not me, I was too tied up on voting day

Literally???

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

"What i want to know is who the fuck voted ukip in Scotland? Maybe if someone tells me i will get to sleep

Nah defo not me, I was too tied up on voting day

Literally???"
aye ukip have got a seat in Scotland . . .literally

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By *uncan20004Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Please tell me you don't believe in any way it isn't"

Christ almighty. The way some people actually think things work...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its a great problem , they dont know and dont want to know how it works , and they are just too scared of the unknown of being a free and self determining country that they would rather do nothing and let the those nice english folks run things instead . Instead of being a strong and free people they rather take the cowards way out and let somebody else make the big calls

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Please tell me you don't believe in any way it isn't

Christ almighty. The way some people actually think things work... "

Totally underwhelmed by your arrogance

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By *uncan20004Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Please tell me you don't believe in any way it isn't

Christ almighty. The way some people actually think things work...

Totally underwhelmed by your arrogance"

So just to sum up - just so we are clear. You actually think there is a chance that in an independent Scotland, Alex Salmond could have his face on the money?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Please tell me you don't believe in any way it isn't

Christ almighty. The way some people actually think things work...

Totally underwhelmed by your arrogance

So just to sum up - just so we are clear. You actually think there is a chance that in an independent Scotland, Alex Salmond could have his face on the money?"

To fully sum up, you think there's no chance, puhlease, get real stop toeing the party line and look at the real world

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So disillusioned by politics in general these days regardless of what parties we are talking about.

They are all talk, often on the take and they can cause a lot of damage rather than make a difference be it local or national politics.

Half baked ideas, squandered resources and abandoned communities from way back.

Still it could be a lot worse. We could live in some horrendous place where corruption is the norm and democracy is non existent, run by a gang of despotic crooks.

Proportional representation, Europe, and much more autonomy but not convinced by that aggressive smarty pants in Bute House.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"An independant Scotland in the EU? Maybe after an extended application which has already been rejected by at least two other EU leaders and the EU president.

At least Alex Salmond will be busy thinking of a new currency, trying to get into the EU and NATO while trying to dismantle 300 years of shared history.

You honestly think a new independent government, should it happen, would want to proceed with a currently that has no lender of last resort in case something goes wrong? Also, should an independent Scotland apply to join the EU, it may be a condition of acceptance that we adopt the Euro so no, its not clear cut by any stretch of the imagination. "We don't know what the currency is" because nothing has been agreed and is therefor subject to change so it's you who have misunderstood the perceived straight-forward nature of the subject.

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By *uncan20004Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

To fully sum up, you think there's no chance, puhlease, get real stop toeing the party line and look at the real world "

Ok. It's not no chance. But there is also a chance that the Bank of England could put Nigel farage on their money. The chances are the same though. You need to get real. There is a big important debate happening with real issues.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

Pmsl typical starts off about ukip next thing you know its vote yes you cowards how about this ive researched the subject at lemgth and for me its a no preferably devo max and I aont no coward

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By *uncan20004Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Yes I do think we can proceed with our own currency. But I am also as sure as I can possibly be of a currency union. Either option is preferable to the current set up.

We cannot be forced into the euro. No one can enforce a currency on a nation and there is no legal mechanism to strip a people of their eu citizenship.

This eu debate is a strange one. The Tories are holding an in/out referendum and ukip just won the feckin election. But hey, Scotland becoming independent is a threat to membership!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Please stop confusing reality with blind acceptance of everything politicians of whatever party you support tell you

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By *uncan20004Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Pmsl typical starts off about ukip next thing you know its vote yes you cowards how about this ive researched the subject at lemgth and for me its a no preferably devo max and I aont no coward

It's very relevent though. The two topics are very linked! Surely you see that.

By the way - Devo max is not on offer. If you believe we are getting more powers even though we could surely have had them already if it were such a good idea then you are really buying a classic polictician lie. Jam tomorrow.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

That one of those "ive said it so its right" dream on I have a mind and can use it same as most you want a refurendum post go make one instead of turning every post into a yes campagn lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That one of those "ive said it so its right" dream on I have a mind and can use it same as most you want a refurendum post go make one instead of turning every post into a yes campagn lol

Oh Kola... You've started him off now..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That one of those "ive said it so its right" dream on I have a mind and can use it same as most you want a refurendum post go make one instead of turning every post into a yes campagn lol

Oh Kola... You've started him off now..

Agreed, brace yourselves, here comes the bullshit, oh sorry, considered argument where every fact is absolutely genuine (other opinions are available as are other facts which are bollocks as well)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This lurch to the right England is taking is a bigger risk to all of us than any of the utter garbage being chucked about by better together.

Politics of privatisation, look after the rich and blame the poor, immigrants out etc is nothing like the Scotland I know or want to live with.

Speaks on Scotland's behalf and lives in London...sounds familiar huh?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

General secretary of the communist party of the Peoples Republic of China Xi Jinping has finally ruled out a currency union with Scotland due to the proposals that Premier Alex Salmond appear on the next issue of the Yuan.

Greenland ice caps will immediately melt if Scotland becomes free claims the prime minister Aleqa Hammond

The moon almost certain to break free from earth orbit and crash into Mars rather than be in the same gravity well as a newly independent Scotland claim NASA

The old Nordic gods have become convinced that gotterdamerlung is now upon us due to Scotlands independance claims a top source in valhalla

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By *omma49Man
over a year ago

GLASGOW

Regard the UKIP, the current candidate the have in Kent advocates compulsory abortion for women carrying babies with Downs Syndrome, and Spina Bifida, personally speaking this moron should have been aborted at birth- his view are nothing short of Nazi idealogy, for producing the perfect speciman of human being, god help anyone voting for him!!!

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By *omma49Man
over a year ago

GLASGOW

Incidentally, he wants this done as not to put a burden on the welfare state!!! people bringing up disabled children, nobody has the right to say what a woman should or should not do with her body, abortion should always be a choice for a woman, and not for the state to decide on a basis of economics!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In other news it was revealed today that in a codicil to the independence white paper that once independent the sun would always shine and rain would only fall gently between the hours of midnight and 5 am and that Scotland would be hailed worldwide as the shining example of a happy population living in complete harmony with each other and a sustainable economic miracle. This was completely rejected by the No campaign who insisted that once this independence nonsense was drummed out of the heads of the Scots the sun would always shine and rain would only fall gently between the hours of midnight and 5 am and that the United Kingdom would be hailed worldwide as the shining example of a happy population living in complete harmony with each other and a sustainable economic miracle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

who would have thought that the notion of one wee country with a small population wanting to be free and self determinate could strike such fear into the hearts of the entire population of the english empire ,what ever next , all the other countrys that have managed to break free will be storming the borders demanding to be subjected to westminster rule again having decided that freedom is just not for them .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"they're nothing more than a bunch of dim witted, bigoted, xenophobic fuckwits! Here endeth the rant

Wow, and I thought I was actually a decent, caring human being... Thanks for pointing out what we're all really like...

Name calling..really? Given the nature of this site and the fact that we're all adults I would have thought that the use of "industrial language" would not have offended the sensitivities of some members. Apparently not but the aborting of children on the basis of them being physically or mentally impaired, the forced repatriation of migrant workers deemed as undesirable and a raft of other far right pseudo Nazi policies is acceptable? Offensive language to describe the UKIP, a party whom IN MY OPINION, are the most reprehensible group of political activists operating today within the UK.

I'll end my point by quoting Martin Neimoller, the German pastor and vociferous opponent of a party similar to the UKIP

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cool story bro...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What i want to know is who the fuck voted ukip in Scotland? Maybe if someone tells me i will get to sleep

Nah defo not me, I was too tied up on voting day

Literally???"

Yes literally lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"An independant Scotland in the EU? Maybe after an extended application which has already been rejected by at least two other EU leaders and the EU president.

At least Alex Salmond will be busy thinking of a new currency, trying to get into the EU and NATO while trying to dismantle 300 years of shared history.

Yes indeed it will be the pound and Scotland will be dictated to by a forgien government on its economic policy !!! I am still wondering if it is worth voting yes !!!!!

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By *uncan20004Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Yes indeed it will be the pound and Scotland will be dictated to by a forgien government on its economic policy !!! I am still wondering if it is worth voting yes !!!!!"

The Bank of England is independent of government and has a job of setting interests rates to best look after the interests of both nations. Remember Scotland is a richer nation than the rest of the UK. This arrangement is very much in England's best interests too.

The whole point if independence is that we keep every penny we raise and use it to best meet Scotland's needs and we get governments we vote for every time. No ukip, no Tory, no dangerous right wing politics. We don't vote for any of that. It just happens to us!

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By *ky HookMan
over a year ago

Dundee

"What i want to know is who the fuck voted ukip in Scotland? Maybe if someone tells me i will get to sleep

Nah defo not me, I was too tied up on voting day

Literally???

Yes literally lol

Intersting were any pics taken?

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By *ky HookMan
over a year ago

Dundee

Yes indeed it will be the pound and Scotland will be dictated to by a forgien government on its economic policy !!! I am still wondering if it is worth voting yes !!!!!

In my opinion we Scots are probably the furthest left it is possible to get without being Comunist... Remember the two main reasons the SNP could not get more than four to six MPs was because Scots voted Socialist before Indipendence and that the SNP in the late 70s & early 90s were labeled by Labour as 'The Tartan Torries'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes indeed it will be the pound and Scotland will be dictated to by a forgien government on its economic policy !!! I am still wondering if it is worth voting yes !!!!!

"The Bank of England is independent of government and has a job of setting interests rates to best look after the interests of both nations." Really, I wonder who propagated that falsehood?. The Bank of England will look after the £ Sterling by setting interest rates etc in London, in what way is that economic independence for Scotland?

"Remember Scotland is a richer nation than the rest of the UK." source please, and not some yes campaign website, a believeable independent source with no agenda

Seriously, stop evangelising and try looking outside of your narrow "yes at any cost" tunnel please it actively puts me off the yes campaign

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By *uncan20004Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Remember Scotland is a richer nation than the rest of the UK." source please, and not some yes campaign website, a believeable independent source with no agenda

Seriously, stop evangelising and try looking outside of your narrow "yes at any cost" tunnel please it actively puts me off the yes campaign

GERS figures. This is old news. Scotland is 14th richest in OECD and the uk is the 18th.

Do you ever wonder why Westminster are so keen to hold into us? Why are the Tories promising the world to hang on a nation that hates them and never votes for them? Nostalgia?

No one is evangelising. Some of us just look further than the spoon fed propaganda you are being subject to from the bbc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Remember Scotland is a richer nation than the rest of the UK." source please, and not some yes campaign website, a believeable independent source with no agenda

Seriously, stop evangelising and try looking outside of your narrow "yes at any cost" tunnel please it actively puts me off the yes campaign

GERS figures. This is old news. Scotland is 14th richest in OECD and the uk is the 18th.

Do you ever wonder why Westminster are so keen to hold into us? Why are the Tories promising the world to hang on a nation that hates them and never votes for them? Nostalgia?

No one is evangelising. Some of us just look further than the spoon fed propaganda you are being subject to from the bbc. "

So I went and looked and you're absolutely right it is old news, pity about the update

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/analysis-gers-report-is-bad-news-for-the-scottish-governement-and-the-yes-c.1394629491

Nasty nasty BBC, oh wait its that bastion of the English media the Glasgow herald, how could I ever trust it

Or should I only believe what you tell me

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By *uncan20004Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

I've had a read of this article and I'll paste a quote below:

but the final version still shows Scotland in a stronger position, with a deficit of 5.8% of gross domestic product (GDP) compared with 7.6% for the UK as a whole.

People get confused with the fact we are in a deficit. Everyone is in a deficit these days. So it looks like we are financially struggling. But we are in a stronger position than the rest of the uk.

The updated GERS figures show out output in the north sea has dropped. It's been well established that this is due to investment.

By the way, the herald is pro union. The Sunday herald is pro yes. Keep that in mind when reading their articles.

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By *uncan20004Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That'll be a yes then to only believing you then as everyone else (especially those who disagree) tell lies hmmmmmm

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By *uncan20004Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

If you are misunderstanding the figures and not getting that you can be in deficit and still in good financial shape compared to those around you then so be it.

Why don't you watch "economic case for Scottish independence" on YouTube. Ivan McKee.

If you still think we are not richer than the uk then you never will.

Thanks for the debate anyway.

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over a year ago

"That'll be a yes then to only believing you then as everyone else (especially those who disagree) tell lies hmmmmmm"

Told you not to start him off...

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over a year ago

"That'll be a yes then to only believing you then as everyone else (especially those who disagree) tell lies hmmmmmm

Told you not to start him off...

Forgive me wee one, I can resist anything except temptation

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

".........

Why don't you watch "economic case for Scottish independence" on YouTube. Ivan McKee.

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'Cos it's bollox.

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over a year ago

"That'll be a yes then to only believing you then as everyone else (especially those who disagree) tell lies hmmmmmm

Told you not to start him off...

Forgive me wee one, I can resist anything except temptation

You ever notice how it's always the 'yes' brigade who come marching in with their views trying to get everyone to agree with them and go against their own opinions on voting no..

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over a year ago

"That'll be a yes then to only believing you then as everyone else (especially those who disagree) tell lies hmmmmmm

Told you not to start him off...

Forgive me wee one, I can resist anything except temptation

You ever notice how it's always the 'yes' brigade who come marching in with their views trying to get everyone to agree with them and go against their own opinions on voting no..

No, really

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By *uncan20004Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

You ever notice how it's always the 'yes' brigade who come marching in with their views trying to get everyone to agree with them and go against their own opinions on voting no..

But no one is marching in anywhere with their views. It's a political thread on a discussion board and my views are shared by at least 40% of the population.

If you don't want to debate it, why don't you leave the thread?

If I am not accepting his point of view it is because his evidence (herald article) didn't prove his point, rather it backed up mine. The evidence I provided is a government document which is accepted by all sides as the official financial figures. I'm sorry but I can't make it any clearer than that.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

So ya aint changed thread to yes campaign pish as usual ??

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By *uncan20004Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"So ya aint changed thread to yes campaign pish as usual ?? "

The thread is about the rise of ukip and it is in the Scotland forum. You are surprised that independence comes up.

Ok. I'll leave it there then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yes voters are not trying to get you to go against your own opinions , we are trying to save you from losing your Scots identity . Vote to continue to be run by the tory party from westminster you will be electing to become forever more just a foot note in history , a wee signpost where a border used to be " here used to be the country and people of Scotland , they dont exist any more , the voluntarily gave there freedom and self determination away " worse still , you would be condemning the whole of the people of Scotland to this fate .

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

Yup and as a total yes man ukip shouldnt intrest ya think of the first two letters

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm no being funny but are you on crack? You came in with your the currency WILL be the pound and better together talk utter garbage stuff...

Unless I'm mistaken this thread was about UKIP, I don't see anywhere where is says 'lets debate independence again' You can say they're linked or whatever, but surely if you're voting yes, what does it matter about UKIP? It shouldn't have anything to do with how it effects you cause hey apparently everyone should vote yes and we're going to be independent. You do this with every single thread that's politics related, come in with your agree with me or you're naive campaign..and it's getting tiresome.

Think you need to go re-read your posts etc and just calm your tits over this whole 'debate' there's actually more to life. You should maybe realise that some people, shockingly will be voting no, and they can vote who they want without being slated because they don't agree with you, do I come in with, Yes voters are idiots? Nah cause we're all entitled to believe what we believe even if it is, as you say 'utter garbage' You believe your facts, I'll believe whatever I want. Honestly, whatever you're on, can I have some please? Done now

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow

Gotta love some of the generalisations in this thread:

'Why are the Tories promising the world to hang on a nation that hates them and never votes for them?'

'In my opinion we Scots are probably the furthest left it is possible to get without being Comunist...'

'No ukip, no Tory, no dangerous right wing politics. We don't vote for any of that. It just happens to us!'

We're a nation of various politicial views and even if you don't like some of them it doesn't mean you can pretend they don't exist. The polls show otherwise.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"That'll be a yes then to only believing you then as everyone else (especially those who disagree) tell lies hmmmmmm

Told you not to start him off...

Forgive me wee one, I can resist anything except temptation

You ever notice how it's always the 'yes' brigade who come marching in with their views trying to get everyone to agree with them and go against their own opinions on voting no..

Very Putinesque.

Funny how both Eck and Farage have recorded their admiration for Putin in recent weeks.

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By *wiftieeMan
over a year ago

near Glasgow

"Live in Scotland?

Want to be part of EU?

Vote yes in the referendum

What is happening with Ukip is a great example of how Scotland is moving further away in its political views than the rest of the UK.

Large movement of people want away from the EU in the UK, most Scots want to remain part of it. To me its a no brainer

Sorry for being thick, but how can you be independent in the united states of the EU??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Live in Scotland?

Want to be part of EU?

Vote yes in the referendum

What is happening with Ukip is a great example of how Scotland is moving further away in its political views than the rest of the UK.

Large movement of people want away from the EU in the UK, most Scots want to remain part of it. To me its a no brainer

Sorry for being thick, but how can you be independent in the united states of the EU??

Bothy Bothy Bothy, The yes campaign, The First Minister and his acolytes and evangelists have said tis so, how very dare you question it you erzats Scotsman you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm no being funny but are you on crack? You came in with your the currency WILL be the pound and better together talk utter garbage stuff..."

Actually, it was Bikerbob who brought up currency, not Duncan. The latter just commented on it. The unionists in this thread are the ones who have been throwing around insults and simply ignoring or slashing anything that contradicts their viewpoint. The sole attempt at a 'fact' was quoting a Unionist-written article on the latest gers figures which Duncan quickly refuted. Then it was right back to "you must reject everything that is said to you" comments.

For once, unionists, at least try to debate on a level that actually counts as debate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cool story bro...

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By *iscottish OP Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Cool story bro... "

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By *usky Couple01Couple
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

Do u think euro is a good thing I don't think so the fishing is went down hill since Brussels take over the fishing felet can't put food on the table for there family's why is and it's time to have our own Scottish pound and British or uk pound and yes we should stand own our feet

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