FabSwingers.com forum: independence vote

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Okay simple leading on from the last post. So we can get a true fabswingers point of view! No long speaches a simple vote okay so here goes Yes 1 No 0 add your vote please what would you vote if you were voting today ?

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By *ust Chloe xWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

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By *vbride1963TV/TS
over a year ago

E.K . Glasgow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not sure if I will get a vote but NO

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

..YES.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its a NO from both of us

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Please add below im not counting the votes come on people i make that Yes 2 No 6

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yes for me

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By *illow PimpMan
over a year ago

Midlothian

YES

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes for both here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *ionaScarletTV/TS
over a year ago

Dundee

Yes

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

No.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no from both

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yes 7 No 8

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yes 7 No 10

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By *bi_scotlandTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Still undecided

So that'll be 1

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By *miffypatMan
over a year ago

glasgow

Yes

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

YES 8 NO 12 And if you read the post vote now its yes or no not undecided you either vote yes or no as if you where voting now. Stop being a sheep baa baaa be a wolf and decide. As the al mighty stiffmeister would say decide "fucker" lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yes 9 No 12

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"[Removed by poster at 29/11/13 18:34:39]"

The Yes mob are trying to fiddle the vote already

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"[Removed by poster at 29/11/13 18:34:39]

The Yes mob are trying to fiddle the vote already

Nah my fat fingers got the wrong emotion, sorryyyyy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

2 x no here

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes...

It will be a yes vote as the demographic that doesn't live in fear will be the 16 to 18 year olds who won't vote here but will vote yes....

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By *issBehavingxxWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

yes from the 9

of us

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east

I have skelves on my ass from sitting on the fence

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

"Yes...

It will be a yes vote as the demographic that doesn't live in fear will be the 16 to 18 year olds who won't vote here but will vote yes...."
may be suprised how many 16 to 18 yr olds are being spoken to about this very subject by their parents so they dont just cry freedom and ..............no

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes...

It will be a yes vote as the demographic that doesn't live in fear will be the 16 to 18 year olds who won't vote here but will vote yes....may be suprised how many 16 to 18 yr olds are being spoken to about this very subject by their parents so they dont just cry freedom and ..............no"
it be near to the time in question an i think most will vote yes as those kids dont want the same treatment as we did had in the 80s

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yes 12 No 18 not counting votes unless its a simple yes or no please no debating i just want to see a honest and fair vote. But hey if you cant be gown-ups about a serious forum then maybe it was a mistake putting this forum up! But should have guessed people would waste it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And another 3 x no from our teenagers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

YES

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A no vote is a vote for the weak...

Your vote can mean either 100% or 8.3% I can not understand why any right minded and intelligent person could consider being ruled by the English. There is not one country in the world who have became independent and been worse off....

If we were that much of basket case and things were so bad.....why do the English want to hang onto us??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

YES

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A no vote is a vote for the weak...

If we were that much of basket case and things were so bad.....why do the English want to hang onto us??"
the english wants our oil

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow

"A no vote is a vote for the weak...

If we were that much of basket case and things were so bad.....why do the English want to hang onto us??"

A no vote is for the weak, or for those who live in fear...

Do you really think this sort of childish rhetoric will actually convince people to vote yes?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Cant you simply add your vote i make it Yes 17 No 21 people making this hard by expressing views not counting any more all i will say is it looks not too bad for a yes vote

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By *ionaScarletTV/TS
over a year ago

Dundee

"Cant you simply add your vote i make it Yes 17 No 21 people making this hard by expressing views not counting any more all i will say is it looks not too bad for a yes vote "

It improves all the time - as we knew it would once honest debate started.

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By *ector BrocklebankMan
over a year ago

a wee place south of Glasgow

" I can not understand why any right minded and intelligent person could consider being ruled by the English. "

But we're not ruled by the English. We're ruled by a bunch of unelected headcases in Brussels, and as independent Scots, we wouldn't even get a referendum.

Even pre-independence Salmond is telling us what we want?? Talk about arrogance!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cant you simply add your vote i make it Yes 17 No 21 people making this hard by expressing views not counting any more all i will say is it looks not too bad for a yes vote "

Need to have a recount there bud..

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By *illow PimpMan
over a year ago

Midlothian

FIX ! FIX ! i'll tell yeah

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

The yes campaign can always take their complaint to the European Court. Oh, hang on, wait a minute........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just read the White Paper, I'm voting YES (converted from a no vote)

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By *ionaScarletTV/TS
over a year ago

Dundee

"Just read the White Paper, I'm voting YES (converted from a no vote)"

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By *MD47Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

NO. The white paper is full of speculation and to think the SNP want us to be like Norway is a total JOKE. The highest fuel prices in Europe, beer and cigs. People cant afford to buy houses due to the high earners pushing them out of areas and also the garbage that there is no poverty but actually its about 7 percent, for a county with so much money in the bank its a disgrace.

Also the what currency are we going to use? Its a joke but some are being taken in by the WEE ECK FAN CLUB.

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By *illy7239Man
over a year ago

Stenhousemuir

"NO. The white paper is full of speculation and to think the SNP want us to be like Norway is a total JOKE. The highest fuel prices in Europe, beer and cigs. People cant afford to buy houses due to the high earners pushing them out of areas and also the garbage that there is no poverty but actually its about 7 percent, for a county with so much money in the bank its a disgrace.

Also the what currency are we going to use? Its a joke but some are being taken in by the WEE ECK FAN CLUB."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"NO

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so thats a yes then

just say it eh

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By *andG4moreCouple
over a year ago

Dunbartonshire

Yes from us 2.

but never allow politics to get in the way of our swinging fun for when it comes to that we are equal opportunities swingers lol

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By *ionaScarletTV/TS
over a year ago

Dundee

Also the what currency are we going to use? Its a joke but some are being taken in by the WEE ECK FAN CLUB."

Speculation is all that has been allowed by Cameron. It's not possible to provide concrete answers to questions when the PM refuses to even discuss the matter. He's quite flatly refused to allow the Scots to make an informed decision - just like 1974.

I... refuse to be treated like this. If in fact we are UK citizens then the fucker has a responsibility to answer our concerns! The fact he won't even condescend to let us know what we might be in for only demonstrates that Westminster has no concern for Scotland... in fact we might as well be on a different planet, let alone in a different country!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

AYE!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes from me,the Mrs and my daughter

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By *eefdoddusCouple
over a year ago

Scottish Borders

A big YES here..!

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By *amesieboyMan
over a year ago

St Andrews

Non

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By *cotsman4u2Man
over a year ago

Coldstream

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"A no vote is a vote for the weak...

If we were that much of basket case and things were so bad.....why do the English want to hang onto us??"

We don't, the numbers of English people who would like to see Scotland leave the Union exceed the number of Scots who want to leave. If the Pro Independence campaign really want to win they should include England in the vote.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just read the White Paper, I'm voting YES (converted from a no vote)"

Met loads like you, haven't heard a single one go the other way.

Big Aye from me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just read the White Paper, I'm voting YES (converted from a no vote)

Met loads like you, haven't heard a single one go the other way.

Big Aye from me."

Just noticed I'd posted before one that, sorry Onny. Not trying to stitch the vote son.

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By *anana SplitzMan
over a year ago

Glasgow ish

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

taken 5 days to read white paper, nothing explained, pure speculation. Definate NO

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A big yes from us.

"But we can still rise now, and be a Nation again"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *rodie53Man
over a year ago

Manchester

Alec salmond is changing the law to let 5 year olds vote and all that says yes get an ice cream and a 3 bedroomed house with there first kid

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By *ohnbarrzMan
over a year ago

glasgow

Yes, all those who vote no are shitbags

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes, all those who vote no are shitbags"
Charming.AVOID.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Perhaps I'm in the minority here, but I work hard and I am of the opinion that this country as a whole, this Great Britain, is not very Great at all - in fact it is unfair and broken, being systematically fucked and manipulated from within. Better together? It couldn't be any worse, I see a chance to be a part of something progressive, yes there is a lot of speculation in the White Paper, but it has more vision in it than I have heard from anyone else out of Westminster, I honestly believe that we would be missing a trick if we voted no. The UK is in a shambles, the people of Scotland have an opportunity to take control and shape this country into something better, fairer and more optimistic than what we have just now. I believe that I owe it to my children to vote yes, because where will we be 20 years from now if we leave it up to Westminster? Besides, if we vote yes and get it wrong we can always immigrate, England is just across the road :D It is better to regret the things we have done than to regret the things we did not do. This is a chance.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Yes, all those who vote no are shitbags"

There's no need for that sort of comment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes, all those who vote no are shitbags

There's no need for that sort of comment."

In agreement with you _nny, we may not agree on politics but theres no need for this type of nonsense from anyone.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I can't help but feel the name calling is 1) just the tip of the iceberg and 2) has only just begun.

There are people (on both sides)who will not be satisfied with the result of vote and may not be content with simply going to the pub for a couple of days.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Perhaps I'm in the minority here, but I work hard and I am of the opinion that this country as a whole, this Great Britain, is not very Great at all - in fact it is unfair and broken, being systematically fucked and manipulated from within. Better together? It couldn't be any worse, I see a chance to be a part of something progressive, yes there is a lot of speculation in the White Paper, but it has more vision in it than I have heard from anyone else out of Westminster, I honestly believe that we would be missing a trick if we voted no. The UK is in a shambles, the people of Scotland have an opportunity to take control and shape this country into something better, fairer and more optimistic than what we have just now. I believe that I owe it to my children to vote yes, because where will we be 20 years from now if we leave it up to Westminster? Besides, if we vote yes and get it wrong we can always immigrate, England is just across the road :D It is better to regret the things we have done than to regret the things we did not do.

This is a chance."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No from both of us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes, all those who vote no are shitbags"

I shall be voting no personally, not cause I am a "shitbag" but because I have the choice and I feel that it's the right choice in my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes, all those who vote no are shitbags"

I'd rather be that then a fooking idiot..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

a YES vote for me

Also some people seem to be jumping on the 'Alex Salmond's a smarmy arrogant dick' band-wagon and they are entitled to their opinion, however I would encourage them to broaden their mind and remember we are not voting YES for Alex Salmond we are voting for an independent Scotland, a more equal, just and richer society for us and ours that will last long after Mr Salmond and indeed ourselves!

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By *homCrownMan
over a year ago

West Fife

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

Not a chance in hell!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe one of the reasons Yes voters tend to think many No voters will do so out of fear of the future is Bitter Together's decision to name their campaign Project Fear and to avowedly use hesitation, uncertainty and fear to discourage yes votes.

No voters love to say that they've not had enough explained to them or that they've not been given enough guarantees for the future. Bitter Together have not yet presented ONE reason for maintaining the Union, but they have managed to give some guarantees: The Barnett Formula will be scrapped, our budget will be cut by around £4bn/annum and Austerity will become a permanent measure. If that's their promises whilst their trying to tempt us God help us if we vote no.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"a YES vote for me

Also some people seem to be jumping on the 'Alex Salmond's a smarmy arrogant dick' band-wagon and they are entitled to their opinion, ........"

I wouldn't have mentioned it myself, but since you've brought it up - that's NOT and opinion, it's a fact.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Maybe one of the reasons Yes voters tend to think many No voters will do so out of fear of the future is Bitter Together's decision to name their campaign Project Fear and to avowedly use hesitation, uncertainty and fear to discourage yes votes.

I recommend everyone read BOTH paragraphs.

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

A big no from me to president Alex salmond and his fantasy economics and foreign policy.

He says we will keep the pound but the welsh first minister has said he will vote against that move. Even if we did join we would need to toe the fiscal line with the rest of the uk.

We will join the EU he says. Prime minister of Spain says we would have to apply like any other independant country and it would only take one no vote from 28 countries to keep us out. Same with NATO.

What happens when the oil and gas run out? Even salmond's own advisers say we can't rely on that money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I really wish that people would stick to rational debate.

calling folk shitbags or constant salmon bashing doesnt do anyone any good.

stop listening to the negative rhetoric from either side and start thinking properly about the issues involved.

this is too important a decision to play party political games or indulge in personality politics.

as far as the posturing by outsiders go, i find myself asking what do you have to gain from your statements, find the answers to that question and it can be illuminating sometimes.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

By posturing outsiders, I take it you mean the likes of Sean Connery, Jim McColl and Alan Cumming.

People who love Scotland so much they can't bear to live here.

I'd have included Brian Cox but after his portrayal of Bob Servant, I wouldn't wish to kick a man when he's down.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

We think, as it's an issue that affects the whole of the UK, everyone south if the border should be able to vote as well. If that were the case, then it would be 2 for a YES here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People who think we are going to get all this 'fortune' from our oil and gas, please do remember the Arabs own the majority of it and even if we are independent Westminster will still take the tax for it!

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By *rebor601cplCouple
over a year ago

edinburgh

2 x yes votes here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"By posturing outsiders, I take it you mean the likes of Sean Connery, Jim McColl and Alan Cumming.

People who love Scotland so much they can't bear to live here.

I'd have included Brian Cox but after his portrayal of Bob

Servant, I wouldn't wish to kick a man when he's down."

yeah _nny i would include them, keep it to the scots not the scot-ish on which basis the psuedo londoners like mr darling could take a run and jump as well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm going to Australia anyway so I'm actually impartial. If I wasn't it would definitely be a big NO. Integration not segregation.

Incidentally, past foreign countries which have split have split resources & debt by % of population. i.e. Scotland would get about 10% of the oil.

You also can't join Europe with a debt over 60% of gdp. currently we would have about 120% I believe. On that note, why become independent if you still want to be dependant on Europe???

The UK would be reluctant to allow Scotland to use the pound without having control over the Scottish fiscal policy. They would risk Scotland devaluing there currency similar to Greece & Ireland with the Euro & would have to bail Scotland out in a crisis.

I think people should be prepared to look at the probable statistics and known facts. Its not good to base o decision like this on the best case scenario. In reality, that's never usually what actually will happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We think, as it's an issue that affects the whole of the UK, everyone south if the border should be able to vote as well. If that were the case, then it would be 2 for a YES here."

Why you think you should get a vote on our independence is beyond me.

I suspect you'll be the sort of people who think england send money up to subsidise us when, in fact, it's quite the opposite.

For the record, we won't miss you either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"stop listening to the negative rhetoric from either side and start thinking properly about the issues involved.

this is too important a decision to play party political games or indulge in personality politics."

Well said.

What should be remembered is that this vote isn't about any political party or person. Whether you love or loathe Salmond is irrelevent.

This vote is about one thing.

Do we want to be independent!

If it's a yes then we vote again to decide who governs us.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"We think, as it's an issue that affects the whole of the UK, everyone south if the border should be able to vote as well. If that were the case, then it would be 2 for a YES here.

Why you think you should get a vote on our independence is beyond me.

I suspect you'll be the sort of people who think england send money up to subsidise us when, in fact, it's quite the opposite.

For the record, we won't miss you either

Well, IF it's the case that Scotland subsidises England, there can't be a problem with the (alleged) removal of the Barnett Formula, can there?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"By posturing outsiders, I take it you mean the likes of Sean Connery, Jim McColl and Alan Cumming.

People who love Scotland so much they can't bear to live here.

I'd have included Brian Cox but after his portrayal of Bob

Servant, I wouldn't wish to kick a man when he's down.

yeah _nny i would include them, keep it to the scots not the scot-ish on which basis the psuedo londoners like mr darling could take a run and jump as well."

Next thing you'll be suggesting Darling wasn't born in Scotland, doesn't represent a Scottish constituency and doesn't live in Edinburgh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"By posturing outsiders, I take it you mean the likes of Sean Connery, Jim McColl and Alan Cumming.

People who love Scotland so much they can't bear to live here.

I'd have included Brian Cox but after his portrayal of Bob

Servant, I wouldn't wish to kick a man when he's down.

yeah _nny i would include them, keep it to the scots not the scot-ish on which basis the psuedo londoners like mr darling could take a run and jump as well.

Next thing you'll be suggesting Darling wasn't born in Scotland, doesn't represent a Scottish constituency and doesn't live in Edinburgh."

alistair darling wasnt born gerry anderson assembled him from thunderbirds spare parts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cant you simply add your vote i make it Yes 17 No 21 people making this hard by expressing views not counting any more all i will say is it looks not too bad for a yes vote

It improves all the time - as we knew it would once honest debate started."

Hahahahaha!!!!!! Nice one!

No x 2 here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" alistair darling wasnt born gerry anderson assembled him from thunderbirds spare parts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"By posturing outsiders, I take it you mean the likes of Sean Connery, Jim McColl and Alan Cumming.

People who love Scotland so much they can't bear to live here.

I'd have included Brian Cox but after his portrayal of Bob

Servant, I wouldn't wish to kick a man when he's down.

yeah _nny i would include them, keep it to the scots not the scot-ish on which basis the psuedo londoners like mr darling could take a run and jump as well.

Next thing you'll be suggesting Darling wasn't born in Scotland, doesn't represent a Scottish constituency and doesn't live in Edinburgh.

alistair darling wasnt born gerry anderson assembled him from thunderbirds spare parts

From such an inauspicious start to £170,000 a year for a few speeches?

He must be doing something right.

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

6out of 10..will smith is good and bill pullman is a believable president..

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over a year ago

"By posturing outsiders, I take it you mean the likes of Sean Connery, Jim McColl and Alan Cumming.

People who love Scotland so much they can't bear to live here"

Aye, heaven forfend people who have successful careers should go where they are getting most of their work and how very dare they have an opinion on The future of their home. (Oh, and Alan Cumming does live here, just not all the time.)

Scotland's parochialism at its finest, what's next? "I kent your faither."?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"By posturing outsiders, I take it you mean the likes of Sean Connery, Jim McColl and Alan Cumming.

People who love Scotland so much they can't bear to live here

Scotland's parochialism at its finest, what's next? "I kent your faither."?

Purchasing a flat in Polworth just so you can vote - only to discover you stoll don't qualify is pretty stupid.

Trying to buy the right to vote is just disgraceful.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

still

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By *omma49Man
over a year ago

GLASGOW

So-called celebrities, who do not live in Scotland full time, nor pay Income tax should not have the automatic right to vote, I sight the likes of Bryan Cox, who has an apartment in New York, but he dares to throw his twopenny worth into the independence vote- he and others like him, should keep their opinions to themselves, celebrities, who don't live more than 90 days in the UK, should button their lips, on the independence issue, and let us mere mortals, who have too live here, get on with deciding our futures,

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By *ambohamMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Yes from me. Nothing is working as it so so nothing to lose.

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By *landAnnCouple
over a year ago

Inverness

"Yes, all those who vote no are shitbags"

Well... so much for reasoned arguement and discussion eh!

2 x YES votes here, but, please note... we do not wish to be associated in any way with the above quote....

Whilst Alex Salmond is not our favourite personality, he has done a good job as First Minister and is streets ahead of the Westminster Cameron-Clegg-Milliband bunch politically...

The Yes/No vote is not about Alex Salmond, it's about whether Scotland would be better off governed from Edinburgh rather than London.... and we think the answer is YES.

Simple.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Republic of Ireland for 1.

I wonder how many people with a strong opinion on this subject have actually even read the first chapter of the White paper???

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over a year ago

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By *illiam19Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

It's 2 x yes here we need to learn to stand on our own 2 feet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am a committed Scot but Alex Salmond has ignored the obvious question...does England want to sack Scotland...the result would br a resounding fuck off. Wee Eck would get what he wants,....simples

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Purchasing a flat in Polworth just so you can vote - only to discover you stoll don't qualify is pretty stupid.

Trying to buy the right to vote is just disgraceful."

Even if it were true (rather than typical Bitter Together mean-spiritedness) caring enough to make the effort to vote is to be applauded not lambasted. All that money just for one vote? Must be closer than I thought.

I've had to work out of the country for long enough to lose my vote in the past. Should I shut up and let you 'mere mortals' decide? When independence comes I really hope we can get over this pathetic spite Scots direct towards anyone who does well and then dares to have an opinion on something.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Trying to buy a vote, as Cumming tried but failed, is so against the basics of democracy it beggars belief he even tried it on.

Possibly the worst £82,000 he's ever spent.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

He also states that we should keep the pound in case we need too borrow emergency funds from England!!!! Expected failure in my eyes!!

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By *erfume-LoverMan
over a year ago

Lothian area

NO way

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By *entscotscplCouple
over a year ago

falkirk ish

its a deffo no no from us both here

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By *rsFine-MrBallsCouple
over a year ago

markinch

"Yes, all those who vote no are shitbags

Well... so much for reasoned arguement and discussion eh!

2 x YES votes here, but, please note... we do not wish to be associated in any way with the above quote....

Whilst Alex Salmond is not our favourite personality, he has done a good job as First Minister and is streets ahead of the Westminster Cameron-Clegg-Milliband bunch politically...

The Yes/No vote is not about Alex Salmond, it's about whether Scotland would be better off governed from Edinburgh rather than London.... and we think the answer is YES.

Simple."

Her here, been saying that on every forum about this, but alot o peeps cant get past its not about salmond running the country its about getting what you have stated,

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By *hybutnaughtyoneWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

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By *parkxx76Man
over a year ago

Dundee

Yes! Odd to see so many swingers voting no.. Afraid of what!?

Say what you like about Alex Salmond, you can't seriously believe he'd be worse than Cameron and Osbourne are, and you'd actually have the chance to vote him out after independence..

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Yes! Odd to see so many swingers voting no.. Afraid of what!?

..... "

What makes you think the no voters are afraid?

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over a year ago

"He also states that we should keep the pound in case we need too borrow emergency funds from England!!!! Expected failure in my eyes!!

Who said that? No-one, I think you'll find.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What makes you think the no voters are afraid?"

A great many of them are,and the Better Together campaign calling their tactics 'Project Fear' kind of sums up why.

And that is pure mince you're spouting about Alan Cumming. Spiteful and rather pathetic if you think it'll put anyone off voting yes because you believe Bitter Together's nonsense about why he bought a flat in his own country.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

What makes you think the no voters are afraid?

A great many of them are,and the Better Together campaign calling their tactics 'Project Fear' kind of sums up why.

That 'pure mince' is from Alan Cumming's own website.

He says

"At the beginning of this year I sold my flat in London and bought a home in Edinburgh. I wanted a base in Scotland again, I wanted to be nearer my mum. I had been registered to vote in London and now registered in Edinburgh. I lookled* forward to being able to vote in the Independence referendum next year.

Unfortunately I've since discovered that I can't. Because my main residence is in New York and I will be working there on Broadway for most of next year I am ineligible to vote and have had to come off the electoral roll."

No apology necessary.

*the typo is his.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no no no

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Definately 100% NO!!!!! I can see how people are for it in the way that we are independant. But Why can the SNP not just come out and tell us the financial facts?! I dont know them myself but everytime they are asked then it is dodged! Would you buy a tank of diesel if you didnt know how much it was going to cost you before you started??? Also cutting all the different taxes, along with raising capital and spending in several areas????? Please, I'm no expert but that doesn't come from fresh Air!! Sorry!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why are so many people afraid of Scotland making its own decisions? Are they really happy that another another country makes decisions for Scotland? Do you allow other people to make decisions for you in your personal life?

Never voted SNP and doubt I ever will. You do know that there will be fresh elections in an independent Scotland where you can vote for who or whatever you want. Dont understand the mindset of allowing a govt elected in england (or anywhere else) to decide what happens here. Each to their own I suppose.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Why are so many people afraid of Scotland making its own decisions? Are they really happy that another another country makes decisions for Scotland? ..... "

I guess you're talking about Salmond's plan* to keep the Bank of England, Sterling, membership of NATO and the EU.

Sounds much as it is now.

*just a plan, mind.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

"He also states that we should keep the pound in case we need too borrow emergency funds from England!!!! Expected failure in my eyes!!

Who said that? No-one, I think you'll find."

give the White paper a wee browse. It won't take you long too find it. 1st chapter....

Feel free too get back too me with what you find!!!!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

It's like the Argos catalogue.

Everything for everyone but at least the Argos catalogue has prices

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wheres the price list for the union? Weapons of mass destruction, illegal wars, bankers bonuses, the Westminster gravy train dont come cheap? When are we goung to get anything positive to vote to keep the Uk? Can dave cameron guarantee scotland will still have their own sports organisations and leagues? Plenty other nations dont think its fair that the UK gets 4 different entrants if we are supposed to be better together. Can he guarantee the costs of the nuclear weapons? I want to know why the posh eton lot know whats best for Scotland.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes, all those who vote no are shitbags"

Good to see an educated response

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

".....Can dave cameron guarantee scotland will still have their own sports organisations and leagues? ....."

I think I can safely say DC has no plans to abolish the SFA (or whatever they're calling themselves this week).

No doubt someone will suggest the top teams in Scotland might wish to play in England but, after last night, that might not be the wisest move.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

No apology necessary.

*the typo is his."

Really?

As you also quote, he bought the p[lace to be near his mum. It doesn't say "Bought a flat in Edinburgh just so I could have a vote in the referendum."

You are ascribing motives to him based on a combination of conjecture and spite and it does not advance the arguments of the No campaign in any way. Yes, the "I kent your faither" brigade are all up in arms about this uppity actor daring to have an opinion about his own country's future but that attitude is one of the things about Scotland I cannot be proud of.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And that typo is mine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Why can the SNP not just come out and tell us the financial facts?! I dont know them myself but everytime they are asked then it is dodged!

Not so. Read the white paper. Listen to the Yes campaign (once again this os not an SNP campaign, there are Lib-Dems, Labourites and plenty of others. You are NOT voting for the SNP in the referendum), I especially recommend Wings Over Scotland's website which has all the facts you could want that are possible to give.

Please don't believe the Unionist line that there are no facts just because they keep saying there aren't and the media refuse to report them. ALL the unionist leaders have been forced to admit that Scotland is perfectly capable of supporting herself.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

No apology necessary.

*the typo is his.

Really?

As you also quote, he bought the p[lace to be near his mum. It doesn't say "Bought a flat in Edinburgh just so I could have a vote in the referendum."

For someone who 'wanted to be near his mum', he was gey quick off his mark back to the US once he realised he'd wasted his money on the flat.

He, like Cox, Connery and McColl are welcome to hold views on any subject they like but if they want to vote - come and live here (and pay taxes) like the rest of us.

If they love Scotland sooooooo much, maybe even are proud of it, that can't be a problem, can it?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

" Why can the SNP not just come out and tell us the financial facts?! I dont know them myself but everytime they are asked then it is dodged!

You have an odd definition of 'facts'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

YES YES YES !!

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

It wouldnt be upto davie cameron though will it. It will be UEFA and/or FIFA, every other sporting country in the world will be well within their right to say that if the UK is a country then it is absurd that the UK has 4 separate league set ups and 4 separate international teams.

How can that be justified if Scotland decides against independence?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

How can that be justified if Scotland decides against independence?

It's good to see the Separtists are concentrating on the important stuff.

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By *landAnnCouple
over a year ago

Inverness

"Why are so many people afraid of Scotland making its own decisions? Are they really happy that another another country makes decisions for Scotland? Do you allow other people to make decisions for you in your personal life?

Well said.

It isn't about electing the SNP or Alex Salmond..... it's about governing Scotland from Scotland and electing the government Scots vote for.

How many times has Scotland overwhelmingly voted Labour yet ended up with a Tory government elected by the London-south of England voters.

We must be one of the only countries in the world to accept our major political decisions being made in another country.

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over a year ago

Its a sad fact that a substantial portion of the population that resides here in Scotland delight in feeling the yoke of english rule from the southern parliment that is currently under the thumb of posh davie and his mate clegg the cardboard cut out .The people who are genuinely Scots will take the chance to gain freedom from the cold grasping hand of the south by voting for it , the rest will fervently hope and pray for yet more tory rule .Just how much of a laughing stock will Scotland be round the world given the fact that we have the chance to break away from the fag end of the english empire without having to spill blood and we just decide that we would rather let a different country make all our decisions for us in the hope that they might just have our best interests at heart .

All the Scots that have struggled against the tyranny that is rule from the south would hang their heads in shame that the Scots today are so willing to give their independence of thought and deed away so cheaply . This chance will never come again , never in the future will all the southern political parties that own puppets up here in Scotland ever again allow Scotland to be anything other than north engerlundshire .

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

".......

We must be one of the only countries in the world to accept our major political decisions being made in another country."

Salmond has already insisted that, in the (unlikely) event of Separation, Scotland will keep Sterling and the Bank of England as well as hoping to remain a member of the EU (and NATO).

That sounds like major political decisions being made in what you'd call another country.

So it's OK when it suits him?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes,

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over a year ago

Vote NO!

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By *parkxx76Man
over a year ago

Dundee

".......

We must be one of the only countries in the world to accept our major political decisions being made in another country.

Salmond has already insisted that, in the (unlikely) event of Separation, Scotland will keep Sterling and the Bank of England as well as hoping to remain a member of the EU (and NATO).

That sounds like major political decisions being made in what you'd call another country.

So it's OK when it suits him?"

Retaining the pound does not dictate how the Scottish government allocates it's funds, whereas it is largely hamstring by Westminster under the current arrangement. So that would be a good thing. Membership of the EU is also a good thing, as is membership of NATO. Why wouldn't you want to choose good things for Scotland?

Don't understand this argument.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

".......

We must be one of the only countries in the world to accept our major political decisions being made in another country.

Salmond has already insisted that, in the (unlikely) event of Separation, Scotland will keep Sterling and the Bank of England as well as hoping to remain a member of the EU (and NATO).

That sounds like major political decisions being made in what you'd call another country.

So it's OK when it suits him?

Don't understand this argument."

You can't be independent if you can't control economic or monetary policy. If the Bank of England is in charge, you can't control either.

There's more to Separation than painting your face like a twat and running up Sauchiehall St with a claymore in your hand singling Flower of Scotland.

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over a year ago

The only really odd thing about the struggle for freedom from the south is all the folks that really love to feel the yoke of southern rule, if they find being ruled from Westminster so desirable, why on earth are they living in my country and not following their hearts desires and move south to the land of rule by posh davie and clegg the card board cut out

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"The only really odd thing about the struggle for freedom from the south is all the folks that really love to feel the yoke of southern rule, if they find being ruled from Westminster so desirable, why on earth are they living in my country and not following their hearts desires and move south to the land of rule by posh davie and clegg the card board cut out"

This is not YOUR country, this is OUR country and the sooner the Separatists realise this the better.

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By *parkxx76Man
over a year ago

Dundee

".......

We must be one of the only countries in the world to accept our major political decisions being made in another country.

Salmond has already insisted that, in the (unlikely) event of Separation, Scotland will keep Sterling and the Bank of England as well as hoping to remain a member of the EU (and NATO).

That sounds like major political decisions being made in what you'd call another country.

So it's OK when it suits him?

Don't understand this argument.

You can't be independent if you can't control economic or monetary policy. If the Bank of England is in charge, you can't control either.

That's an utterly ridiculous statement! And quite wrong too - the only factor set by the bank is the interest rate, and politicians shouldn't be fiddling with that anyway. It's like suggesting that France for example is not an independent country because its part of the euro!

Come on, what's the real reason you're not in favour?

There's more to Separation than painting your face like a twat and running up Sauchiehall St with a claymore in your hand singling Flower of Scotland."

And that's just plain silly mate, nobody doing that (and I can't say I've seen any examples of mindless patriotism yet) is part of the serious debate, any more than those daft unionist rangers supporters. Let's keep it sensible.

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over a year ago

If you are a member of "the hard of thinking brigade" and want to end up living in a 3rd world country then YES, if you are sensible and can see the obvious pitfalls then vote "NO".

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By *omma49Man
over a year ago

GLASGOW

here here!! thats exactly how it will pann out, if we vote YES, like it or loathe it, we need the Union, to go forward, Scotland is too small a country to survive on its own, we need the UK government to help us finance, roads, education and healthcare for our sick and elderly, as it is public roads, education and health in Scotland, is a nightmare which even Alex Salmond has too admit to- we have some of the worst roads in Europe, never mind the UK, healthcare and education seem to be easy targets to trim, perhaps the MSP's should consider trimming their 11% pay rises, when Joe Public, has too accept 1%!!

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over a year ago

I hear there is a referendum on wether Scotland should no longer be a free and independant country , all we would need to to is give away all money collected in tax in Scotland to osbourne in tory run england and he might even give some of it back . Give away all rights to any mineral wealth found in or around our costline , alow the good people of Scotland be sent to get killed in the next illegal war the south fancys , have the biggest nuclear arms dump in the western world put nice and close to our most populus area . Move the decision making powers to london , have them then run puppet partys and puppet leaders totaly in hock to the south with a vested interest in keeping things that way at all costs . Have a monarchy imposed upon the people , not even a home grown one but one the south got off the shelf from germany , the house of saxe coburg gotha or what ever they call themselves nowadays . Have posh davie , cleggie and osbourne run things for us , because they have our best interests at haert , the same bunch that couldnt even sort out a rail franchise a while back . Agree to this and a shed load of other things and then they will let us become north engerlundshire.

A terrable state of affairs that we should give the country away so cheeply to a bunch of public school buffoons from the south .

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Anyone who doesn't understand the economic significance of being able/ not able to set interest rates shouldn't be allowed out with money in their pocket.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

PS. How are the votes going?

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By *parkxx76Man
over a year ago

Dundee

"here here!! thats exactly how it will pann out, if we vote YES, like it or loathe it, we need the Union, to go forward, Scotland is too small a country to survive on its own, we need the UK government to help us finance, roads, education and healthcare for our sick and elderly, as it is public roads, education and health in Scotland, is a nightmare which even Alex Salmond has too admit to- we have some of the worst roads in Europe, never mind the UK, healthcare and education seem to be easy targets to trim, perhaps the MSP's should consider trimming their 11% pay rises, when Joe Public, has too accept 1%!!"

So your argument is that Scotland is too poor, too wee and too stupid to make it without the loving support of the rest of the union? Well, I beg to differ, we get a bad deal now financially as well as politically (unless you *like* having a Tory government controlling everything that's important?) and it will be a considerably worse one if we make the mistake of voting no - the Barnett formula for example will end (both Westminster parties have admitted this) and I don't know of you're keeping up with current events but the UK is rapidly turning into a 3rd world country anyway, and we will be better off out of it.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

The Barnett Formula is not ending.

There are not two Westminster parties.

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over a year ago

Why would people who claim to have Scotlands best interests ever want it to be governed from the bottom end of the country to the south of us by the posh davie , cleggie and the tory party . never ever will they ever have Scotlands interests at haert , they couldnt give a hoot

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By *parkxx76Man
over a year ago

Dundee

"Anyone who doesn't understand the economic significance of being able/ not able to set interest rates shouldn't be allowed out with money in their pocket."

Well, again, and without resorting to insults: the government doesn't set the interest rate now. The bank determines it based on balance of payments against other currencies (of which Scotland has a proportionally large influence so would be well represented anyway) and to take into account things like inflationary pressures, which independence wouldn't really make any difference to.

And again, how is France managing to exist as an independent nation without its own currency and it's own government setting the interest rate!?

It's still a bizarre argument - you're basically saying you'll vote no because the proposed plan or independence.. Isn't independent enough in your expert opinion?! Really?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Why would people who claim to have Scotlands best interests ever want it to be governed from the bottom end of the country to the south of us by the posh davie , cleggie and the tory party . never ever will they ever have Scotlands interests at haert , they couldnt give a hoot "

This is the kind of bollox the Cybernats have had to descend to.

All their economic and political claims have been comprehensively discredited so they've reverted to the hoary old 'if you're not in favour of Separation, you're not a true Scot'.

As I said, bollox.

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