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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Looking at the date for the referendum and increasingly looks like yes Scotland have an uphill struggle....

Armed forces day to be held in stirling. The commonwealth games in Glasgow. If 2012 taught us anything these events will increase the sense of Britishness and could jeopardise their campaign.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good!

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By *amesieboyMan
over a year ago

St Andrews

Fucking Excellent

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By *amesieboyMan
over a year ago

St Andrews

Another worrying thing is people who vote yes for independence might not actually be able to spell it

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Another worrying thing is people who vote yes for independence might not actually be able to spell it

Lol bloody phone! I'm very much in the no camp. British is best

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can spell and that is actually quite naive to say such ridiculous comments, have you actually looked at the plus points of independence?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yes definately looked at the plus points and there aint many and totally outweighed by staying together. Heaven forbid the yes vote winning....no chance

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I can spell and that is actually quite naive to say such ridiculous comments, have you actually looked at the plus points of independence?"

Maybe you'd care to list them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can spell and that is actually quite naive to say such ridiculous comments, have you actually looked at the plus points of independence?"

Then again you could look at the spelling at the heading of this thread, so it's not so ridiculous after all is it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Iam an extremly anti british person myself but my major fear is that the IMF/world bank swallow us up itno either forcing us into the euro or debt to start our own currency and we end up like Greece/Spain/italy/Ireland/Portugal to name a few and we will all suffer. Alex Sammon want his name in the hisyory books for Scotland 'freedom' and nothing else. Hence why i will be viting NO!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Iam an extremly anti british person myself but my major fear is that the IMF/world bank swallow us up itno either forcing us into the euro or debt to start our own currency and we end up like Greece/Spain/italy/Ireland/Portugal to name a few and we will all suffer. Alex Sammon want his name in the hisyory books for Scotland 'freedom' and nothing else. Hence why i will be viting NO!"

Dam fat finger syndrome lol. Meant to he history lol

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By *andG4moreCouple
over a year ago

Dunbartonshire

"Another worrying thing is people who vote yes for independence might not actually be able to spell it

Of all the things I have read on the forums this has to be the most ridiculous statement ever.

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By *amesieboyMan
over a year ago

St Andrews

This was a rather fun debate lol

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

It's the very fact that Scotland will retain Sterling as our currency whatever happens that ensures the IMF/ World Bank or whoever can't swallow Scotland up.

Unfortunately for the Nats, it's also what ensures Scotland can never be truly separate from the rest of the UK.

You can't be truly separate from a nation with which you share a currency.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like the idea of independence but hate the poverty and cost to my pocket it will bring.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This was a rather fun debate lol

Perhaps they just can't read.

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By *nTCouple
over a year ago

funland

we will be voting a big fat YES.

we are all for building the wall again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think i'd have to sit in a library, reading all things statistical and political for a month before even daring to have an opinion on it, never mind a decisive yes or no!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Scotland won't survive on our own. It's a crazy decision to vote yes!!

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By *nTCouple
over a year ago

funland

"Scotland won't survive on our own. It's a crazy decision to vote yes!!"

then you move south then and let the real scots be Scottish.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Haha nothing to do with being a real scot. If we get out independence we'll be in the same situation as Greece within the next 5 years!!

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By *nTCouple
over a year ago

funland

"Haha nothing to do with being a real scot. If we get out independence we'll be in the same situation as Greece within the next 5 years!!"

BULL.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's stick together....c'mon ...c'mon.. let's stick together!!!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Haha nothing to do with being a real scot. If we get out independence we'll be in the same situation as Greece within the next 5 years!!

BULL......."

This, I fear, is exactly the problem with those who've been misled by promises which can never be fulfilled - they just get shouty and rude.

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By *ilandlarryCouple
over a year ago

more north lincs than mids!

"Haha nothing to do with being a real scot. If we get out independence we'll be in the same situation as Greece within the next 5 years!!

BULL.......

This, I fear, is exactly the problem with those who've been misled by promises which can never be fulfilled - they just get shouty and rude."

I don't stay in Scotland anymore but that doesn't make me any less Scottish.

And I would still vote no if I had the chance. I think it's the worst thing that could happen.

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By *ustcutieWoman
over a year ago

edinburgh

Well very seldom I agree with you but

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By *ombowieMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Another worrying thing is people who vote yes for independence might not actually be able to spell it

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can spell fuckwit

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By *ombowieMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Unfortunately I think the no vote will win I can understand people are afraid of the unknown don't want to take the risk personally I think it's a risk worth taking

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By *nTCouple
over a year ago

funland

it is still a big yes vote from us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect that. Personally I think it's too risky!!!

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By *ombowieMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"it is still a big yes vote from us"

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By *unseekingcplCouple
over a year ago

Hamilton

100% Scottish! mega proud to hold a BRITISH passport. the things some people would do to be part of our great nation! GOD SAVE OUR QUEEN!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"100% Scottish! mega proud to hold a BRITISH passport. the things some people would do to be part of our great nation! GOD SAVE OUR QUEEN!

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By *nTCouple
over a year ago

funland

"100% Scottish! mega proud to hold a BRITISH passport. the things some people would do to be part of our great nation! GOD SAVE OUR QUEEN!

god save our aunty jean, she keeps her knickers clean

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"100% Scottish! mega proud to hold a BRITISH passport. the things some people would do to be part of our great nation! GOD SAVE OUR QUEEN!

god save our aunty jean, she keeps her knickers clean"
How droll

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Another worrying thing is people who vote yes for independence might not actually be able to spell it

can spell fuckwit"

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By *ob and angelaCouple
over a year ago

glasgow

if it was a yes vote would we still be in the e.u ????

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"if it was a yes vote would we still be in the e.u ????

As of now, nobody knows but all EU member states would have to agree to Scotland being a member.

Those countries with regions pushing for separation (like Spain) are unlikely to vote in favour of Scotland becoming a member.

Same with NATO.

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By *illow PimpMan
over a year ago

Midlothian

Yes for me but doubt it will be carried

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Yes for me but doubt it will be carried

There's no chance of a 'yes' win.

The real question is 'what happens then?' Some of these Nats are a bit radio.

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By *ombowieMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

We go on in the same auld shit we vote for a left wing government English vote for a right wing and we end up with another 5 years of English rule and some unionist talk a lot of bollocks also

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By *illow PimpMan
over a year ago

Midlothian

"Yes for me but doubt it will be carried

There's no chance of a 'yes' win.

The real question is 'what happens then?' Some of these Nats are a bit radio."

Thats anyone's guess but one thing you can be sure of as the date gets closer then the ante will be upped.

hook or by crook i can foresee some "major" issue around the time votes are due to be cast.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Yes for me but doubt it will be carried

There's no chance of a 'yes' win.

The real question is 'what happens then?' Some of these Nats are a bit radio.

Thats anyone's guess but one thing you can be sure of as the date gets closer then the ante will be upped.

hook or by crook i can foresee some "major" issue around the time votes are due to be cast.

That my my point with the OP. MOD choosing stirling fir armed forces day. I presume that was a political move. I suspect will see a much stronger presence from the queen at holyrood and balmoral in next year. Another royal wedding maybe!? Fergie and Andrew back together to keep the union!

I suspect the nationalists are the same hypocritical Celtic and rangers fans that pull on a Scotland shirt every Hampden game, sing songs and stand side by side as if they were best if mates

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just funny....sorry but we couldnae even nationwide vote for an outright singular party to govern the UK.

What does that say ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I confess to not really know much about all this and all of the benefits if there are any but a look at this countries economy at the monent and it doesn't really look like improving in the future who will benefit with a split?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Let's stick together....c'mon ...c'mon.. let's stick together!!!

And I know what we can use to stick together and it aint flour and water!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I cant vote yes for a few very simple reasons.

I have not been told who will pay my old age pension when it is due ! Can Scotland afford it !

We have not been told for sure if what is left of the UK will allow us to use what will be their currency.

We do not have a definative answer if Scotland will be in or out of NATO !

How much of the UK national debt will we be taking with us !

There are one hundred and one questions that have not been answered but I am still been asked to take a leap of faith into the dark.

I think until the SNP start telling the truth rather than paying people to publish stories about in newspapers I will be in the no camp.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Let's stick together....c'mon ...c'mon.. let's stick together!!!

And I know what we can use to stick together and it aint flour and water!!!!"

sorry bout that one! vino was flowing and i wasnt my usual serious self....

.....i still believe that while in theory our strong sense of national pride makes independence seem attractive...in practice it would be disastrous.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are there any other success stories of other countries that went independant ? Surely there must be loads ? Thats why its such a brill idea...yes ?

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By *he Enigmatic MagnetMan
over a year ago

Glasgow West

A few little points about "Heralgate":

1/ It was not the SNP who paid for the article, but the Yes Scotland campaign.

2/ The academic has made it clear that he was not paid to support the Yes campaign, but to write an article on his own opinion.

3/ Everyone is ignoring the criminal act of hacking the e-mail account at the Yes campaign. One must ask who would have an interesr in hacking this account, and why. If the culprits are from the obvious answer, then do there actions not make you more suspicious of their actions and motives?

N.B. The payment for the article is not illegal, but is being used a a smokescreen, to detract from the real criminal act.

Finally, the word is INDEPENDENCE. Indepen-dance is a dance and theatre group for the disabled.

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east

If by some miracle it actually happens and the country votes yes......im outta here..not the site ....out the country lol and leave you all to it

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By *araidWoman
over a year ago

the west (ish)

If I could just work my way through the lies and counter-lies, then I might be able to form an opinion. Unfortunately, neither side is winning in the truthful and trust them stakes as yet.

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By *ombowieMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"If by some miracle it actually happens and the country votes yes......im outta here..not the site ....out the country lol and leave you all to it

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bye

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If by some miracle it actually happens and the country votes yes......im outta here..not the site ....out the country lol and leave you all to it

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lol I'm sure it won't come to that.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"A few little points about "Heralgate":

1/ It was not the SNP who paid for the article, but the Yes Scotland campaign.

2/ The academic has made it clear that he was not paid to support the Yes campaign, but to write an article on his own opinion.

N.B. The payment for the article is not illegal, but is being used a a smokescreen, to detract from the real criminal act.

Finally, the word is INDEPENDENCE. Indepen-dance is a dance and theatre group for the disabled."

The Nats got caught trying to con people into thinking Elliot Bulmer was being honest and truthful when, in fact he's been revealed as the worst sort of cheap hack for hire.

As if that wasn't bad enough, Bill Walker, elected as an SNP MSP, gets himself convicted of 23 counts of assault towards his three former wives.

Finally, I suspect you meant HeralDgate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Haha nothing to do with being a real scot. If we get out independence we'll be in the same situation as Greece within the next 5 years!!

BULL......."

It's not bull at all!

Answer me one question; what is the point in getting independence from London, and then begging to be ruled by Brussels??? Utter madness.

And once you've waffled your way through that one, try getting Alex Salmond to start answering some of the many as yet unanswered questions that people have. All he does is issue one outlandish claim after another with no substance to back them up!!

The SNP, who I've voted for in the last few elections, are now discovering that it's relatively easy to be in opposition, but a totally different story to be in power. Being in power means that the buck stops with you/them.

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By *randub69Man
over a year ago

city

Scotland is like the son in his 40s who still lives at home with his parents..it's about time Scotland grew a pair of Balls and left old mother england and found its own way in the world.

In countries all over the world people fight and die for independence (Including my own country )

Good luck in what you vote for, I just hope you make the right decision as this opportunity might not come along again.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

" .........

Good luck in what you vote for, I just hope you make the right decision as this opportunity might not come along again."

John Mason MSP says that if Scots vote No (as we will), he'll try to hold a referendum every day "until we get the answer right".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've voted snp all my life, but i'm afraid I think we are not ready.it will be a no vote from me. we should have gone for independence many years ago, while we still had industries and before the rise of 'king eck'

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By *he Enigmatic MagnetMan
over a year ago

Glasgow West

"Haha nothing to do with being a real scot. If we get out independence we'll be in the same situation as Greece within the next 5 years!!

BULL.......

It's not bull at all!

Answer me one question; what is the point in getting independence from London, and then begging to be ruled by Brussels??? Utter madness.

The current UK government would like to be outside the EU looking in, which would be economically disastrous for the UK, as trade protectionism would cost billions in lost earnings, and millions in lost jobs. I will take the benefits of trade with EU partners over the little legislative control Brussels has.

As for what "Alex Salmond", by which I take it you mean the Yes Scotland campaign, has to say about a possible future for Scotland, it is at least positive. The Better Together campaign has been unrelentingly negative. Now, I don't know about you, but I don't like ANYONE telling me that I am not good enough, yet this campaign tars an entire nation with that brush.

The only other option the Better Together campaign could possibly present is the status quo, and lets just think for a moment how good that is!

Successive governments in Westminster continuing to favour London and the south east, economically, Scotland continuing to live on handouts from the UK Treasury, and effectively getting a lower return for its tax input to the UK Exchequer.

Of course, the No campaign also like to present the "horror" scenario that post independence, the SNP would control Holyrood ad infinitum. Not so. Just like any government at any election, they would face the possibility of rejection by the electorate, an electorate, which, by the way, would be more fairly represented than if they were still part of the UK.

Were the Better Together campaign to be able to present a more positive view, they would certainly be more credible, but they have nothing to offer us except more of the same, more Cameron, more Clegg, more Milliband, and their successors, far removed from the average Scot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Another worrying thing is people who vote yes for independence might not actually be able to spell it

Lol. Well, lowering the voting age will have an effect.

It really does worry me as to why no one really 'thinks' about the costs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only other option the Better Together campaign could possibly present is the status quo, and lets just think for a moment how good that is!

Well Ulciscor, I would have to disagree.

Campaigns for a start... I honestly could not give a toss about the campaigns from either camp; Yes or No. Why? Because I'll highlight one thing, the future of our Country, and its people, should never be left in the hands of those buffoons! We're not the United States. If people truly voted based on the pomp, then we're truly screwed!

I'm not going to tell anyone where to put their vote but I'll will say this;

Our government will have to form new departments which are currently in Whitehall, or perhaps they will be leased - I don't know. Think of Scotland's parliament, spiraling costs - may I add; any project seems to spiral upwards.

Oil, oil, oil :D I really do love this. When the British government decided to get the oil out the North Sea, it cost a huge amount of money (not much in terms of today). In case your reading this, and it hasn't twigged... it was much more than NASA's mission to the moon. Oh, extracting the oil becomes ever more expensive. Besides, it's no longer Scotland's oil. It now belongs to multi-national companies! We could do what Venezuela or Argentina had done, nationalise it. Although, the United States wouldn't be too happy about that as they have a stake in it

Oil, isn't the only thing, I know. There is much more but I'm sorry, as a United Kingdom, we're stronger and far much better off. It's about time people started using their heads when voting, instead of voting the same auld bunch of crooks.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"........ except more of the same, more Cameron, more Clegg, more Milliband, and their successors, far removed from the average Scot.

Whilst Eck offers Bannockburn, Braveheart, Brave and Brigadoon, all far removed from reality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Scotland will survive as a single nation , for example the financial point on it - scotland per head as a nation contributed alot more to "britian" than england , wales and N ireland in the last 5 years and shows we can survive because whatever people who stay in scotland put into the economy should stay in the scottish economy !!! Out of the 100% GDP scotland contributed to the uk , we only got roughly 60-70% of it back from the UK government to help scottish economy ....that is not the way it should be !!!!

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By *he Enigmatic MagnetMan
over a year ago

Glasgow West

"........ except more of the same, more Cameron, more Clegg, more Milliband, and their successors, far removed from the average Scot.

Whilst Eck offers Bannockburn, Braveheart, Brave and Brigadoon, all far removed from reality."

I think you'll find that Bannockburn happened, and William Wallace was real.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Scotland will survive as a single nation , for example the financial point on it - scotland per head as a nation contributed alot more to "britian" than england , wales and N ireland in the last 5 years and shows we can survive because whatever people who stay in scotland put into the economy should stay in the scottish economy !!! Out of the 100% GDP scotland contributed to the uk , we only got roughly 60-70% of it back from the UK government to help scottish economy ....that is not the way it should be !!!!"

You cannot say that Scotland is financially better off as Independent. Why? Its a bit obvious. Is Scotland better off financially as a part of the UK? Yes. You just said it. Now, independently? no one can truly say it will be because no one knows. What your saying is based on foundations going back 300 years, centuries of spilled blood. You cannot use that to say Scotland would be better off.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"........ except more of the same, more Cameron, more Clegg, more Milliband, and their successors, far removed from the average Scot.

Whilst Eck offers Bannockburn, Braveheart, Brave and Brigadoon, all far removed from reality.

I think you'll find that Bannockburn happened, and William Wallace was real."

You're confusing 'real' with 'reality'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Will it mean for example, customs clearance for every last thing you buy being transported from England to here. Awaiting customs clearance for the next day delivery you bought?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Will it mean for example, customs clearance for every last thing you buy being transported from England to here. Awaiting customs clearance for the next day delivery you bought?

Wouldnt be surprised unless the courier company had it sorted in Scotland. However, majority of main hubs are in England. Would those companies spend more money to setup in Scotland? Royal Mail is likely going to go private or some of it... what about the rural parts of Scotland (which many forget)... will the costs of p&p double? a lot of unanswered questions.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Will it mean for example, customs clearance for every last thing you buy being transported from England to here. Awaiting customs clearance for the next day delivery you bought?

I doubt that but couriers etc might see a chance to bump up delivery charges to a 'foreign' country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Will it mean for example, customs clearance for every last thing you buy being transported from England to here. Awaiting customs clearance for the next day delivery you bought?

I doubt that but couriers etc might see a chance to bump up delivery charges to a 'foreign' country."
Well its little things like that, that matter to me,,, or flying to london? Forgot yer passport but drivers licence will do etc.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Will it mean for example, customs clearance for every last thing you buy being transported from England to here. Awaiting customs clearance for the next day delivery you bought?

I doubt that but couriers etc might see a chance to bump up delivery charges to a 'foreign' country.Well its little things like that, that matter to me,,, or flying to london? Forgot yer passport but drivers licence will do etc.

Indeed. Will mobile phone calls between the two countries count as international?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

respecting everyones thoughts but cant see us being better off on our own. The real vote should have been given to the whole nation as it would affect Eng-er-land as well but thankfully they arent getting the vote as they would overwhelmingly vote for us to leave as we are heavily subsidised from Westminster and before anyone gets on their high horse dont go saying the 8%-10% imbalance as that is total fallacy as it doesnt count the cost of police, NHS, Fire Service or forces personnel. Had it not been for the government asking, nay begging, Lloyds group to take over Bank of Scotland we would have been in a bigger mess than even Alex Salmond could create.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We keep hearing about Scottish oil but what happens if The Shetland Islands decide they do not want to be a part of Scotland ?? The Shetland Islanders see themselves as differnt from Scotland so we could not deny them there indepenence !!!!

That would kinda blow a hole in the figures !!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Scotland is like the son in his 40s who still lives at home with his parents..it's about time Scotland grew a pair of Balls and left old mother england and found its own way in the world.

In countries all over the world people fight and die for independence (Including my own country )

Good luck in what you vote for, I just hope you make the right decision as this opportunity might not come along again."
The Republic Of Ireland is like the son who left in his teens spent all his pocket money and had to come back in his 40's for a bailout.

Scotland has balls, and brains.

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By *addie bunnetMan
over a year ago

glasgow

opinions are like arseholes we all have one lol

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