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By *arrach67 OP   Man
over a year ago

Denny

Anyone on the F&C Canal today looking for their hand to be held ?

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By *odgers and PartingCouple
over a year ago

edinburgh

Like the marches every other week, this is completely pointless on any political scale. The first big one was required as it kick started a campaign. These arent. Good socially but that’s it.

The apathy in the Scottish electorate is incredible just now. Never known anything like it in almost 4 decades of on - off political activity.

The Indy drive had died over the last 8 years. It’s flat. That’s not to say the desire is there more than ever, people are just disillusioned with the, let’s face it, children, we’ve had thrust upon us to vote for.

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By *arry CMan
over a year ago

Aberdeen

Too many marches which makes it hard for members of the indy family to afford to go to them all.

Hopefully the SNP conference today will kick start a new campaign.

Nothing but bad publicity for several years for the SNP.

Too much infighting in the indy family as well that doesn't help.

Only a united campaign and politicians in the movement to give voters the confidence to vote for independence.

We have been let down badly by the leadership of Nicola and her husband which didn't do anything for people to trust the SNP.

Whether Humza is strong enough and popular enough with the Scottish electorate is the next thing

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By *odgers and PartingCouple
over a year ago

edinburgh

Valid points Harry, for me after the first one the rest serve no functional purpose for the cause. Becomes a tit for tat numbers game in the press which just looks pitiful.

There you go, I didn’t even know it was the SNP conference this weekend. Can’t see anything changing.Humza already hinted to be dropping Indy from their future campaigning, such is their desire to just remain in power.

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By *arry CMan
over a year ago

Aberdeen

If Humza does drop indy he will lose more members to Alba.

The patriots of Scotland are fed up of false promises and defeatist talk.

I can predict the SNP losing a few seats at the General Election and if people don't have photo ID at the General Election then they won't get a vote under the new proposals.

This afternoon the SNP will be voting on whether they go for a majority of seats in Scotland being won to start negotiations for leaving the UK an idea that the SNP had during the 60's until devolution killed that policy in favour of a referendum.

After fighting for the SNP for over 40 years I find myself tired and with the way the party has conducted itself since 2014.

The SNP has went from being the largest and most trusted party to a party that people are losing faith in.

The support in independence hasn't waned but support in the SNP has.

Whether the party was infiltrated by government spies or whether certain high level members got corrupted who knows I just know it is not the same party as it was in the past.

Independence for Scotland will come but just not in my lifetime now.

Only the hard work of true Scottish patriots at the grass route level will bring about that.

Saor Alba a'nis!

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By *arrach67 OP   Man
over a year ago

Denny

It wasn’t a political event .. it was a meeting of the people.. and a very large meeting of people at that .. restored my faith in all things good .. never give up

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By *arry CMan
over a year ago

Aberdeen

It was good to see a large attendance at it since it took a lot of planning to get all the Indy groups coordinated along with individuals.

Well organised and well attended pity there was an indy march on same date.

I unfortunately was working as was my wife so couldn't attend and today was the SNP conference which would of been bad for people attending Aberdeen from other parts of Scotland.

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By *odgers and PartingCouple
over a year ago

edinburgh


"It was good to see a large attendance at it since it took a lot of planning to get all the Indy groups coordinated along with individuals.

Well organised and well attended pity there was an indy march on same date.

I unfortunately was working as was my wife so couldn't attend and today was the SNP conference which would of been bad for people attending Aberdeen from other parts of Scotland. "

The SNP have previous of doing that. Wonder whose side they’re on sometimes.

Still only a few days til the ref on the 23rd that we saved the date for, eh?

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By *arry CMan
over a year ago

Aberdeen

As Alba supporters would say the date was just "another carrot to follow"

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By *odgers and PartingCouple
over a year ago

edinburgh

Not just Alba supporters

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By *ikerbob1957Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"If Humza does drop indy he will lose more members to Alba.

The patriots of Scotland are fed up of false promises and defeatist talk.

I can predict the SNP losing a few seats at the General Election and if people don't have photo ID at the General Election then they won't get a vote under the new proposals.

This afternoon the SNP will be voting on whether they go for a majority of seats in Scotland being won to start negotiations for leaving the UK an idea that the SNP had during the 60's until devolution killed that policy in favour of a referendum.

After fighting for the SNP for over 40 years I find myself tired and with the way the party has conducted itself since 2014.

The SNP has went from being the largest and most trusted party to a party that people are losing faith in.

The support in independence hasn't waned but support in the SNP has.

Whether the party was infiltrated by government spies or whether certain high level members got corrupted who knows I just know it is not the same party as it was in the past.

Independence for Scotland will come but just not in my lifetime now.

Only the hard work of true Scottish patriots at the grass route level will bring about that.

Saor Alba a'nis!

"

Government spies ?????? I'm sure MI5 have better things to do. Spoken like a true cult member.

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By *odgers and PartingCouple
over a year ago

edinburgh

Spoken like someone truly naive to world politics.

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By *arry CMan
over a year ago

Aberdeen

The security services have kept tabs on the SNP along with other Scottish and Irish nationalist groups along with the Labour Party for years.

Even Harold Wilson had his phone tapped.

Any group or party that may want to break up the UK or are socialist get monitored.

These days they are probably more concerned with Arab and Irish terrorists but don't forget it was most likely the security services that murdered Willie MacRae up in Black Isle.

Willie had something he was going to expose the UK government with and got killed because of this.

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By *odgers and PartingCouple
over a year ago

edinburgh


"The security services have kept tabs on the SNP along with other Scottish and Irish nationalist groups along with the Labour Party for years.

Even Harold Wilson had his phone tapped.

Any group or party that may want to break up the UK or are socialist get monitored.

These days they are probably more concerned with Arab and Irish terrorists but don't forget it was most likely the security services that murdered Willie MacRae up in Black Isle.

Willie had something he was going to expose the UK government with and got killed because of this."

Glen Garry, not the Black Isle.

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By *arry CMan
over a year ago

Aberdeen

My apologies for wrong location but I knew it was up north.

I knew Wullie McRae personally hence why I know he didn't take his own life, even the policeman investigating the case knew that.

He was followed from Glasgow and even had his office searched by persons unknown.

He was killed by two shots from a revolver but didn't die until after he reached Aberdeen Royal Infirmary.

To this day the truth has still been covered up despite efforts to open this case.

Thatcher was the PM at the time.

Willie had alleged proof of the dumping of nuclear waste in the Highlands at Glen Etive and about an alleged peadofile ring that Thatcher knew about.

The rest is history, a cairn was built on the place where Willie's car came off the road by friends of his in the Siol Nan Gaidheal.

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By *eeling hot hot hotCouple
over a year ago

Ardrossan


"Like the marches every other week, this is completely pointless on any political scale. The first big one was required as it kick started a campaign. These arent. Good socially but that’s it.

The apathy in the Scottish electorate is incredible just now. Never known anything like it in almost 4 decades of on - off political activity.

The Indy drive had died over the last 8 years. It’s flat. That’s not to say the desire is there more than ever, people are just disillusioned with the, let’s face it, children, we’ve had thrust upon us to vote for. "

I completely agree, the news made out Labour had a big win in the Rutherglen election just recently, they actually got less votes than last time. Very few people voted

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By *erlins5Man
over a year ago

South Fife


"If Humza does drop indy he will lose more members to Alba.

The patriots of Scotland are fed up of false promises and defeatist talk.

I can predict the SNP losing a few seats at the General Election and if people don't have photo ID at the General Election then they won't get a vote under the new proposals.

This afternoon the SNP will be voting on whether they go for a majority of seats in Scotland being won to start negotiations for leaving the UK an idea that the SNP had during the 60's until devolution killed that policy in favour of a referendum.

After fighting for the SNP for over 40 years I find myself tired and with the way the party has conducted itself since 2014.

The SNP has went from being the largest and most trusted party to a party that people are losing faith in.

The support in independence hasn't waned but support in the SNP has.

Whether the party was infiltrated by government spies or whether certain high level members got corrupted who knows I just know it is not the same party as it was in the past.

Independence for Scotland will come but just not in my lifetime now.

Only the hard work of true Scottish patriots at the grass route level will bring about that.

Saor Alba a'nis!

Government spies ?????? I'm sure MI5 have better things to do. Spoken like a true cult member."

That's a very naive attitude

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By *unkydunkyCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

I was born and brought up in London and moved to Scotland for uni when I was 18, ironically to study politics. Since then I’ve made Scotland my home and love the place.

However in recent years and since the rise of the SNP in particular there is definitely a change in atmosphere in the country. Anti English sentiment, sectarianism or whatever you describe it as has certainly been fuelled by the rhetoric of the left wing nationalists.

Now history dictates that both left wing and right wing nationalism can be dangerous.

It is the standard stance for the SNP to blame Westminster for everything that’s wrong in the country however the fact remains that Alex Salmond, Nicola sturgeon and all the other Champagne socialists who grew complacent with scandal after scandal did more damage to the cause for independence than any Westminster administration ever has.

It’s definitely time for political change in this country

F xx

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By *odgers and PartingCouple
over a year ago

edinburgh


"I was born and brought up in London and moved to Scotland for uni when I was 18, ironically to study politics. Since then I’ve made Scotland my home and love the place.

However in recent years and since the rise of the SNP in particular there is definitely a change in atmosphere in the country. Anti English sentiment, sectarianism or whatever you describe it as has certainly been fuelled by the rhetoric of the left wing nationalists.

Now history dictates that both left wing and right wing nationalism can be dangerous.

It is the standard stance for the SNP to blame Westminster for everything that’s wrong in the country however the fact remains that Alex Salmond, Nicola sturgeon and all the other Champagne socialists who grew complacent with scandal after scandal did more damage to the cause for independence than any Westminster administration ever has.

It’s definitely time for political change in this country

F xx"

I’m not buying a rise in anti English sentiment. Anti Westminster, absolutely. Anti English? Sorry but that’s a manufactured right wing media spectacle.

I’m no longer a member of the party and indeed one of their strongest critics now. However, there is a reasonable amount of mileage in the hold that WM has and there is a reasonable amount of justification in the ‘its westminsters fault’ arguemet. Similar was acceptable for the champions of Brexit, for example. Some of it justified.

I think history will prove that Alex and Nicola were indeed oceans apart politically. If there was any scandal at all about AS it would have been seized upon in 2014 to make sure he never returned to politics. It wasn’t.

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