FabSwingers.com forum: Teachers pay rise

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Inflation is 10 percent, teachers being offered 11.5 percent over 2 years, is 11.5 not higher than 10 percent? Have the kids not missed out on enough education, parents needing to arrange babysitters, change routines, pay extra childcare costs?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes so the pay rise doesn’t cover inflation. Think about it.

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By *ill dance for wineMan
over a year ago

balloch

Inflation is 10% per annum, a wage rise of 11.5% over two years is 5.75% per annum.

There is no money to pay them any more without signing an toy raising taxes, and while I think they do an amazing job there needs to be a sensible limit as all public sector workers deserve a decent wage rise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The way new teachers are treated by councils is absolutely disgusting, a lot of them are kept on temporary part time contracts so they are kept away from full pay rises.

Support teachers. A little extra on your taxes is a lot less than the alternative child care you’d pay while you work.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Yes so the pay rise doesn’t cover inflation. Think about it. "

11.5 is a higher number than 10 so i suggest you think about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s ironic that you don’t understand why it isn’t, in a thread you created to moan about teachers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Newly qualified teachers begin on a salary of £36,600

The average salary for a teacher in the job 5 - 10 years is £52,000

The highest paid head teachers are on around £90,000

On these salaries even 10% over 2 years is a very good deal especially with 2022 being back dated.

My pension is only half of the salary of an average teacher.

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By *ekked JackMan
over a year ago

South Lanarkshire

Just a wee question. How many people here ( non public sector) have had a pay rise that comes anywhere near inflation?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Newly qualified teachers begin on a salary of £36,600

The average salary for a teacher in the job 5 - 10 years is £52,000

The highest paid head teachers are on around £90,000

On these salaries even 10% over 2 years is a very good deal especially with 2022 being back dated.

My pension is only half of the salary of an average teacher."

Citation required

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Me 10% from jan there

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By *assy69Man
over a year ago

West Sussex and Wales

"Just a wee question. How many people here ( non public sector) have had a pay rise that comes anywhere near inflation? "

This year, 5%…… and this is 5% more than I was expecting after a very challenging few years, so I am more than grateful to my employer

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By *ringles0510Woman
over a year ago

Central Borders

"Just a wee question. How many people here ( non public sector) have had a pay rise that comes anywhere near inflation? "

Haven't had a pay rise in 2 years. Before that we were meant to be grateful with 0.5-1 percent. Now time to move on to another job i think. Got a few inter_iews lined up, so fingers crossed

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By *ornyone30Man
over a year ago

ABERDEEN

So lets say they are given 10% rise because of inflation, when the government finally get inflation under control and back to around 2%, will teachers take a pay cut? Imo it's reckless to base a payrise on a fairly temporary situation. I'd love an inflation based payrise every year, just not going to happen

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By *lexakimboMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

After a year of non stop talking about inflation and people still don’t understand it

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By *ringles0510Woman
over a year ago

Central Borders

I think teachers earn plenty (not quite the amounts mentioned further up mind). It's support assistants, kitchen staff, etc that should get a decent pay rise. Their wages really are rubbish.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It’s ironic that you don’t understand why it isn’t, in a thread you created to moan about teachers. "

The post was not created to moan about teachers, it was to highlight the endless amount of strikes they are going on leaving children with less time in there education after all are children not the future? Quite a few people have highlighted that teachers already get paid a good salary, i dont know all the facts but im pretty sure all the other job sectors havent been offered a pay rise of 11.5

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By *cottybhoyMan
over a year ago

falkirk

The question I always put to my mates who are teachers (and many married to nurses too) is how much are you on and what exactly do you want to earn?

Not that I get a response seeing as they know it’s to be followed by the usual “ not bad for working 35 weeks a year”

They are not skint. They are at it and trying to hold the country to ransom by abusing the education of the kids they are supposed to care so much about.

The teachers I know all have nice homes, good cars and frequent holidays abroad. Which is their right.

But how much do they really want and how can they justify it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Newly qualified teachers begin on a salary of £36,600

The average salary for a teacher in the job 5 - 10 years is £52,000

The highest paid head teachers are on around £90,000

On these salaries even 10% over 2 years is a very good deal especially with 2022 being back dated.

My pension is only half of the salary of an average teacher.

Citation required"

Tune into Radio Scotland any morning

There are always debates on teachers pay and their present day earnings

It's very easy to obtain factual figures as stated above.

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By *ekked JackMan
over a year ago

South Lanarkshire

"Just a wee question. How many people here ( non public sector) have had a pay rise that comes anywhere near inflation?

Haven't had a pay rise in 2 years. Before that we were meant to be grateful with 0.5-1 percent. Now time to move on to another job i think. Got a few inter_iews lined up, so fingers crossed

This is my point. To give all public sector employees a pay rise then you need to increase taxes, this means that people who haven't had a pay rise are paying more, thus taking home less.

Good luck with the job inter_iews. Fingers crossed you are successful x

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By *avie65Man
over a year ago

In the west.

"Yes so the pay rise doesn’t cover inflation. Think about it.

11.5 is a higher number than 10 so i suggest you think about it."

The consolidated pay rise is 11.5% over two years. A percentage will be awarded in the first year then a percentage in the 2nd year that will see their salary rise by a total of 11.5%. In effect it is a two year deal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Newly qualified teachers begin on a salary of £36,600

The average salary for a teacher in the job 5 - 10 years is £52,000

The highest paid head teachers are on around £90,000

On these salaries even 10% over 2 years is a very good deal especially with 2022 being back dated.

My pension is only half of the salary of an average teacher.

Citation required

Tune into Radio Scotland any morning

There are always debates on teachers pay and their present day earnings

It's very easy to obtain factual figures as stated above."

Ah having been on RS morning show many a time I can tell you there is even less factual information there.

I did look it up.

A probationary teacher is £28k, a first year teacher, if they get a full time contract, which a lot aren’t, is £33.7k.

There is a considerable number of teacher leaving the profession. Many after only 5 years, that isn’t a professional where they are sitting back laughing as their bank account grows.

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By *lexakimboMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"So lets say they are given 10% rise because of inflation, when the government finally get inflation under control and back to around 2%, will teachers take a pay cut? Imo it's reckless to base a payrise on a fairly temporary situation. I'd love an inflation based payrise every year, just not going to happen"

That is still an increase of 12.2% over two years not 2%

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By *avie65Man
over a year ago

In the west.

"Newly qualified teachers begin on a salary of £36,600

The average salary for a teacher in the job 5 - 10 years is £52,000

The highest paid head teachers are on around £90,000

On these salaries even 10% over 2 years is a very good deal especially with 2022 being back dated.

My pension is only half of the salary of an average teacher.

Citation required

Tune into Radio Scotland any morning

There are always debates on teachers pay and their present day earnings

It's very easy to obtain factual figures as stated above."

At £52k per year you need to include clas teachers, senior teachers, principal teachers (subject related) and head teachers. The EIS has a breakdown of salaries albeit they were published in 2020.

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By *avie65Man
over a year ago

In the west.

"Newly qualified teachers begin on a salary of £36,600

The average salary for a teacher in the job 5 - 10 years is £52,000

The highest paid head teachers are on around £90,000

On these salaries even 10% over 2 years is a very good deal especially with 2022 being back dated.

My pension is only half of the salary of an average teacher.

Citation required

Tune into Radio Scotland any morning

There are always debates on teachers pay and their present day earnings

It's very easy to obtain factual figures as stated above."

Teachers won't get half of their salary when they retire, which is what you get just now.

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By *ettercallsaul118Man
over a year ago

Funtown

I understand why they are asking for a wage rise . Well more like danger money for secondary school teachers now. I've worked in schools and seen first hand the abuse teachers get. And it's disgusting problem nowadays kids have no respect. A generational thing of parents wanting to be Their kids best friend which is fine but then again find it hard to lay down the law to them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just a wee question. How many people here ( non public sector) have had a pay rise that comes anywhere near inflation?

Haven't had a pay rise in 2 years. Before that we were meant to be grateful with 0.5-1 percent. Now time to move on to another job i think. Got a few inter_iews lined up, so fingers crossed

This is my point. To give all public sector employees a pay rise then you need to increase taxes, this means that people who haven't had a pay rise are paying more, thus taking home less.

Good luck with the job inter_iews. Fingers crossed you are successful x"

Exactly, all us who pay tax are paying for those teachers and none of us are on a salary close to them nor do we get 5% pay rise never mind the 11.5% which they turned down

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By *ill dance for wineMan
over a year ago

balloch

Jeezo, the number of people who really believe that public sector workers shouldn’t be earning more than them is sickening.

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By *ornyone30Man
over a year ago

ABERDEEN

That is still an increase of 12.2% over two years not 2%"

Never said it was 2%. I just think basing a payrise on inflation is unworkable. Mainly due to the volatility of inflation. Sure I think all employees should get a yearly increase but 10% in one go?

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By *ill dance for wineMan
over a year ago

balloch

What should pay rises be based on then? Any company I’ve worked for has used the RPI or RCI at end of January. As that’s the indicator of how much more expensive things are for the year

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By *ree-unicornCouple
over a year ago

Motherwell

"Newly qualified teachers begin on a salary of £36,600

The average salary for a teacher in the job 5 - 10 years is £52,000

The highest paid head teachers are on around £90,000

On these salaries even 10% over 2 years is a very good deal especially with 2022 being back dated.

My pension is only half of the salary of an average teacher."

Starting salary is £28,113.

Teacher at the top of the unpromoted pay scale is £42.336.

Sourced from the EIS website.

But if you are not sure you can always make up your own numbers.

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By *ekked JackMan
over a year ago

South Lanarkshire

"Jeezo, the number of people who really believe that public sector workers shouldn’t be earning more than them is sickening. "

No one is saying they shouldn't be getting a fair wage bit where does the money come for it all..

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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago

Paisley

Any teachers I know are doing marking at home after school hours. They work long hours and can’t take time off outwith school holidays so always pay more for holidays.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

"Inflation is 10 percent, teachers being offered 11.5 percent over 2 years, is 11.5 not higher than 10 percent? Have the kids not missed out on enough education, parents needing to arrange babysitters, change routines, pay extra childcare costs?"
your missing the key point over 2 years

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By *avie65Man
over a year ago

In the west.

"Jeezo, the number of people who really believe that public sector workers shouldn’t be earning more than them is sickening.

No one is saying they shouldn't be getting a fair wage bit where does the money come for it all.."

It comes from tax, which teachers pay, and the circular flow of money.

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By *ittleRed18Woman
over a year ago

Aberdeen

Oh please stop just making up numbers and not sourcing

Primary teachers are not paid as much secondary teachers but definitely not anywhere near the figures stated above.

I am an ex primary teacher (I lasted 6 years) and can assure you all it is not the pay rise they are fighting for it's the reduction to a manageable workload and responsibilities. The pay rise is the secondary point since they are not shifting on the workload.

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By *ekked JackMan
over a year ago

South Lanarkshire

"Jeezo, the number of people who really believe that public sector workers shouldn’t be earning more than them is sickening.

No one is saying they shouldn't be getting a fair wage bit where does the money come for it all..

It comes from tax, which teachers pay, and the circular flow of money. "

So you pay them more and take it off them in tax. How does that benefit them. Also increasing the tax bill for even lower earners that havent had a pay rise. Makes a whole.lot of sense..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They should definitely get more. I don't understand the 'it's not a bad salary so they should be happy' argument. They are entitled to want more, and they are unionising to get it - fair play.

I work in tech, and pay has been soaring for the last few years. Crazy amounts of money, graduates coming in at salaries a teacher will likely never make at the high point of their career.

Public sector work should be valued fairly, and that's a pay rise that means salaries start at a decent point, and there is room for growth rather than (made up figures here) starting on 30k and knowing that no matter how well you do your job, you'll never earn more than 42k unless you become a manager etc.

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By *avie65Man
over a year ago

In the west.

"Jeezo, the number of people who really believe that public sector workers shouldn’t be earning more than them is sickening.

No one is saying they shouldn't be getting a fair wage bit where does the money come for it all..

It comes from tax, which teachers pay, and the circular flow of money.

So you pay them more and take it off them in tax. How does that benefit them. Also increasing the tax bill for even lower earners that havent had a pay rise. Makes a whole.lot of sense.."

Everyone pays tax proportionately.

There are many lower earners that have to rely on benefits. This is not right as no one working should need to rely on benefits, but they also pay tax at a lower percentage rate or in some cases none at all because they don't reach the threshold.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jeezo, the number of people who really believe that public sector workers shouldn’t be earning more than them is sickening.

No one is saying they shouldn't be getting a fair wage bit where does the money come for it all..

It comes from tax, which teachers pay, and the circular flow of money.

So you pay them more and take it off them in tax. How does that benefit them. Also increasing the tax bill for even lower earners that havent had a pay rise. Makes a whole.lot of sense..

Everyone pays tax proportionately.

I think what he's getting at is that the government will have to pay.

And pay they should. Wealth taxes, increasing corporation tax on companies with certain profits, cracking down on tax evasion and avoidance - all ways of generating money. Sadly they will impact the Chancellors odds of a nice hedge fund job at the end of his 10 years in politics so not likely to happen...

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By *ay and K888Man
over a year ago

Manchester

Great post. The goverment are banking on public opinion turning against them and treating them like scenond hand citizens.

If the Railworkers play hard ball they fall over and appease them becasue they have the country by the balls.

Sommerville is one of the most unconvincing politicians I've ever had the misfortune to listen to.

Treating teachers like this will only drive them away in to other professions and Scotland will get the academics, brilliant innovators and Captains of industry it deserves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Parents get fined for term time absence - a £60 fine if paid within 21 days, and failing that £120.

Each parent should Sue every single teacher that is preventing their child being taught and sue them for every day missed from teaching in class.

A class of 30 kids and each parent sueing the individual teacher would be

£1800 per day if indeed payed within 21 days.

One parent is working with a solicitor to attempt this right now, would be a fantastic president if the parent succeeds and opens the gate for everyone.

What goes around comes around, hopefully all parents will sue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why are you so vindictive? Do you realise the very existence of the 40 hour, 5 day working week wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for unions fighting for workers?

If you have such a dim _iew of teachers, take your children, if you have any, out of formal education and home school.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Btw, in your logic why would you be suing the teacher? They aren’t the ones fining parents

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By *ittleRed18Woman
over a year ago

Aberdeen

If you have such a dim _iew of teachers, take your children, if you have any, out of formal education and home school. "

^^^^ this!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Any teachers I know are doing marking at home after school hours. They work long hours and can’t take time off outwith school holidays so always pay more for holidays.

Go past any school at end of the school day and youll see by 3:15 for primary schools that the staff car parks are almost completely empty, so much for working long hours(9-3)6 hours x 5 days a week =35 hours, slap in the face to the people who get up at 6am and dont get home till 6/7 at night in many jobs but now have to pay extra child care because teachers want more money plus all they school holidays teachers get

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s true. Teachers don’t have their own kids and can’t do marking at home.

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By *ay and K888Man
over a year ago

Manchester

"Parents get fined for term time absence - a £60 fine if paid within 21 days, and failing that £120.

Each parent should Sue every single teacher that is preventing their child being taught and sue them for every day missed from teaching in class.

A class of 30 kids and each parent sueing the individual teacher would be

£1800 per day if indeed payed within 21 days.

One parent is working with a solicitor to attempt this right now, would be a fantastic president if the parent succeeds and opens the gate for everyone.

What goes around comes around, hopefully all parents will sue."

Clown!

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By *avie65Man
over a year ago

In the west.

"Any teachers I know are doing marking at home after school hours. They work long hours and can’t take time off outwith school holidays so always pay more for holidays.

6x5=30.

Have you looked at the carpark to see when the teachers start to go in, 7:30 or 8am. Teachers can't rock up at 9am and start, they need to have everything in place for the class or classes starting. They also take work home but that is something very few people see or take heed of.

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By *ookie an creamCouple
over a year ago

Fife

"Jeezo, the number of people who really believe that public sector workers shouldn’t be earning more than them is sickening.

No one is saying they shouldn't be getting a fair wage bit where does the money come for it all..

It comes from tax, which teachers pay, and the circular flow of money.

So you pay them more and take it off them in tax. How does that benefit them. Also increasing the tax bill for even lower earners that havent had a pay rise. Makes a whole.lot of sense.."

This^ i get paid less than a teacher but because of there demands my tax will go up which means i will have even less take home pay so you can see why it can anger the lowest payed workers so teachers think they are struggling think of those of much less pay!

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By *implyfun1Man
over a year ago

glasgow

Do teachers get paid for a full years work?…..

Yet if you work out all the time off with holidays they probably only work like 38 weeks a year

How would they react if they got their wage demands but then told they would only get 5 weeks paid holidays like the rest of us and they had to go to the school for the rest of the time?……

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By *Ecouple4fun82Couple
over a year ago

Aberdeen

As a newly qualified teacher in Aberdeenshire, in the probationary year, the salary currently starts at £28,113. Once fully registered, salaries rise by annual increments over the first five years from £32,994 to £42,336. Slightly less than has been quoted here.

Too easy to demonise teachers for asking for a fair wage.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jeezo, the number of people who really believe that public sector workers shouldn’t be earning more than them is sickening.

No one is saying they shouldn't be getting a fair wage bit where does the money come for it all..

It comes from tax, which teachers pay, and the circular flow of money.

So you pay them more and take it off them in tax. How does that benefit them. Also increasing the tax bill for even lower earners that havent had a pay rise. Makes a whole.lot of sense..

Your tax bill won't go up If you earn less than a teacher.

The highest tax brackets might have an increase, or the threshold lowered slightly, but no impact on low earners.

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By *ill dance for wineMan
over a year ago

balloch

"Parents get fined for term time absence - a £60 fine if paid within 21 days, and failing that £120.

Each parent should Sue every single teacher that is preventing their child being taught and sue them for every day missed from teaching in class.

A class of 30 kids and each parent sueing the individual teacher would be

£1800 per day if indeed payed within 21 days.

One parent is working with a solicitor to attempt this right now, would be a fantastic president if the parent succeeds and opens the gate for everyone.

What goes around comes around, hopefully all parents will sue."

What an absolute clown

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By *fingers2Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Oh please stop just making up numbers and not sourcing

Primary teachers are not paid as much secondary teachers but definitely not anywhere near the figures stated above.

The teachers never want to do anything to the detriment of the children but their hands are being forced. They want what is best for the children and having a teacher who is not completely run into the ground and able to give 100% every week is what is best. Believe me!"
spot on with this.mainstream school teachers now also having to deal with kids who need more than teachers can offer by way that special needs schools used to have trained for teachers to deal with these needs.

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By *ookie an creamCouple
over a year ago

Fife

"Jeezo, the number of people who really believe that public sector workers shouldn’t be earning more than them is sickening.

No one is saying they shouldn't be getting a fair wage bit where does the money come for it all..

It comes from tax, which teachers pay, and the circular flow of money.

So you pay them more and take it off them in tax. How does that benefit them. Also increasing the tax bill for even lower earners that havent had a pay rise. Makes a whole.lot of sense..

Your tax bill won't go up If you earn less than a teacher.

The highest tax brackets might have an increase, or the threshold lowered slightly, but no impact on low earners."

Council tax will be increasing this year yes i know this will not just be due to pay rises but will have a part to play in it so yes i will have more to pay out.

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By *rgoodnbadMan
over a year ago

greenock

How did Daily Mail subscribers get such a hold on this site?

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By *cottybhoyMan
over a year ago

falkirk

£42K as an unprompted person for 35 weeks work a year isnae bad is it?

My mate’s wife retired as an Assistant Head at a Primary - again assistant- and has a pension net over £2K a month

How many teachers have 2nd jobs do you think?

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By *cottybhoyMan
over a year ago

falkirk

Or if teachers don’t like the wages they are on with the holidays they get they can walk away. Or is this the conditions they are complaining about.

To be honest, I just see give us more

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By *cottybhoyMan
over a year ago

falkirk

So how much would you like?

I take it you get to the max of £42K pretty quickly - which is equivalent to a senior management position in the Civil Service. And you will have had how much experience.

Then again, other public servants get up to 6 weeks holiday and possibly 2 public holidays.

How many weeks will you be working for this £42K?

And if you get a wee promotion ….

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By *elsbells2011Couple
over a year ago

fife

Got the daughters report card yesterday with a separate sheet about attendance saying it’s important for the child’s education with a wee paragraph saying if the child is 10 minutes late every day it adds up at the end of the week. Bloody cheek considering it’s perfectly ok to be off for all these strikes

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By *utdooryoneMan
over a year ago

Over there

"Oh please stop just making up numbers and not sourcing

Primary teachers are not paid as much secondary teachers but definitely not anywhere near the figures stated above.

All teachers, primary or secondary, are on the same payscales.

If teachers really do want reduced workload, they need to be careful about the payrises. I've two friends who are going to be cut (classroom support and a peripatetic specialist) to fund the increased pay offer. Therefore increasing teacher workload. The EIS have made clear statements this dispute has nothing to do with workload, only pay rates.

I do think teachers earn a good salary, and we should value them and the work they do. A decent salary is important to recruit and retain them.

A question: would it work to have all public jobs given the same cost of living each year? It would save all sorts of negotiations.

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By *ald EagleMan
over a year ago

Alloa

"Just a wee question. How many people here ( non public sector) have had a pay rise that comes anywhere near inflation? "

Worked in Food retail and we got 5% rise, no negotiations, just enforced despite inflation being 10%.

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By *ald EagleMan
over a year ago

Alloa

"Parents get fined for term time absence - a £60 fine if paid within 21 days, and failing that £120.

Each parent should Sue every single teacher that is preventing their child being taught and sue them for every day missed from teaching in class.

A class of 30 kids and each parent sueing the individual teacher would be

£1800 per day if indeed payed within 21 days.

One parent is working with a solicitor to attempt this right now, would be a fantastic president if the parent succeeds and opens the gate for everyone.

What goes around comes around, hopefully all parents will sue."

Do t know who told you parents in Scotland get fined for term time absence as that’s not the case. My current base has some pupils on 40% attendance. Council don’t fine the parents up here from what I’ve seen, but do in England.

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By *ald EagleMan
over a year ago

Alloa

"Any teachers I know are doing marking at home after school hours. They work long hours and can’t take time off outwith school holidays so always pay more for holidays.

6x5=30.

I do look at the School car park..daily.. I’m in before the teachers and still there when they leave I do more hours weekly than the teachers do and the bulk of the prep work is done by the Learning Assistants & Admin Staff. As each strike day passes, more and more teachers are choosing not to strike as financially the Unions are costing them money. Heard today the Councils have now saved enough money from strike days (teachers don’t get paid) to afford a payrise of 7-8%.

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By *redwilma666Couple
over a year ago

Kilbirnie

If teaching is so wonderful with fantastic wages, why is there a shortage of teachers & why are all you moaners not applying for the job

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By *avie65Man
over a year ago

In the west.

"Any teachers I know are doing marking at home after school hours. They work long hours and can’t take time off outwith school holidays so always pay more for holidays.

6x5=30.

Are you sure the admin staff and LAs do the prep work for a job they don't do and aren't qualified to do?

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By *hrobbermanMan
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

Inflation is NOT 10%.

Petrol for my car has risen by around 40p per litre. That's around 30%.

My Gas and Electricity has more than doubled. Sop that is over 100%.

Food - my weekly shop has risen by a third. That is 33%.

Fresh fruit and veg have increased by around a third. That is 33%.

Maybe cooking margarine has increased by 10% and that is where the 10% figure is calculated from.

Inflation at 10% bears NO relation to what is actually happening to the money we have coming in and the money we are forced to spend to simply exist.

Teachers are being offered 5% for last year. And a promise of 6% for next. Who knows what prices will do next. Oh wait a minute yes we all know what porices will do next. They will be hiked again. This is not a cost of living crisis... this is a massive daylight robbery.

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By *assy LassieWoman
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

"Parents get fined for term time absence - a £60 fine if paid within 21 days, and failing that £120.

Each parent should Sue every single teacher that is preventing their child being taught and sue them for every day missed from teaching in class.

A class of 30 kids and each parent sueing the individual teacher would be

£1800 per day if indeed payed within 21 days.

One parent is working with a solicitor to attempt this right now, would be a fantastic president if the parent succeeds and opens the gate for everyone.

What goes around comes around, hopefully all parents will sue."

Wow. So much hate for public sector workers. You don't half chat some amount of drivel. Sue teachers individually.

Whqt if the govt sued parents when kids didn't attend. Where would we be as a country. Oh aye good old USA.

I would rather pay a bit more on tax to fund teachers emergency services and other essential workers. Wasn't that long ago we were on our doorsteps clapping them. But woe betide they want some cash recognition for the work they do.

No I don't work in public sector and got a 7.6% deal.

On a side note how much of an increase have the politicians had in the last 10 years or so that public sector workers have had their pay frozen. Turns that 11% into less than 1% a year.

Do you still want to sue them?

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By *illnatMan
over a year ago

wherever i need to be

Private sector here and 3% this year despite unions fighting with them. Vote caved at the 3% despite the union asking us to reject it. Doesn’t even cover the increase in the electricity prices I now pay for being made to work at home. At least if I was in the office I could get warm and use their electricity

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By *lydewinderMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I think you downplay not only the importance of teachers but also the hours they work. There are no standardised government or council lesson plans or resources that they can draw from to each class, every single aspect is created by the teachers themselves, which takes up a huge amount of their time spent from the standard 9 - 4 they work. It's around 11 hours a day at least Sun - Friday. Not to mention that departments run their own relative budgets on usually no more than a grand a year for their supplies if lucky. It's entirely common for teachers to use their own money to support their classrooms, which is an expense that adds up. A grand disappears quickly on things like printer ink and reems of paper.

Couple all that with the fact that literally failing to educate the incoming generations leads to effective social cataclysm. We take teachers time, expenses and importance for granted at our peril.

Maybe subjecting companies like Amazon and all the ones run by the Tories' mates to proper tax laws, and not selling PPE contracts and the like to their pals for favours and riches, could be a way to cover it comfortably and more, I dunno.

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By *inthgowmale45Man
over a year ago

linlithgow

When inflation goes down to 5% will they take a pay cut?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sick of all these people wanting pay rises..this is what's fueling inflation meaning cost of services and goods more expensive. False economy.

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By *avie65Man
over a year ago

In the west.

"When inflation goes down to 5% will they take a pay cut?"

If inflation goes down to 5% prices will still be going up. Something that cost £100 last year would cost £115.50 at 10% & 5%.

Would you accept a pay cut when inflation drops?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sick of all these people wanting pay rises..this is what's fueling inflation meaning cost of services and goods more expensive. False economy."

It really isn’t. When prices are increasing yet companies are making record profits that means their costs have remained the same or reduced. Think about why.

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By *ill dance for wineMan
over a year ago

balloch

"Sick of all these people wanting pay rises..this is what's fueling inflation meaning cost of services and goods more expensive. False economy."

Tell me you don’t understand economics without telling me you don’t understand economics.

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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

"Newly qualified teachers begin on a salary of £36,600

The average salary for a teacher in the job 5 - 10 years is £52,000

The highest paid head teachers are on around £90,000

On these salaries even 10% over 2 years is a very good deal especially with 2022 being back dated.

My pension is only half of the salary of an average teacher."

If the money is that good, go study to be a teacher please....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Got the daughters report card yesterday with a separate sheet about attendance saying it’s important for the child’s education with a wee paragraph saying if the child is 10 minutes late every day it adds up at the end of the week. Bloody cheek considering it’s perfectly ok to be off for all these strikes "

Exactly my point, its the children who are suffering and again the younger generation paying the price in a situation set by there teacher who they claim they care so much for, care about your wage packet more like

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Sick of all these people wanting pay rises..this is what's fueling inflation meaning cost of services and goods more expensive. False economy.

Tell me you don’t understand economics without telling me you don’t understand economics."

And your a genius are you?

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By *larkandlois14Couple
over a year ago

Clydebank

I think teachers have lost the support of most people. We all want better pay and conditions for the work we do. To go on strike again so soon after a midterm holiday puts working families under so much pressure. Most working families take holidays to cover the schools being off. Throw in the fact its close to the end of the financial year and most people have used up their holiday allowance means parents are having to take time off unpaid. Potentially not being able to pay bills. I have a few friends taking part in the strike but couldn't tell me by 5pm Monday if the strike was going ahead. 1 then sends me a snapchat of having a pint at lunchtime while on "strike". Easy to see why public opinion has turned against them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I work in the private sector and this year received a 30% pay rise. Just to note I do agree that teachers do deserve more than what they are being offered.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sick of all these people wanting pay rises..this is what's fueling inflation meaning cost of services and goods more expensive. False economy.

It really isn’t. When prices are increasing yet companies are making record profits that means their costs have remained the same or reduced. Think about why. "

I am not aware of factory workers ..call centre workers going on strike. Teachers ..NHS ..rail strikes these workers are not employed by companies reaping huge profits..!!! These workers are bleeding councils and government budgets which has a knock on effect to council tax cost of local services etc .yes I am fully aware of economics thankyou

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By *ill69888Couple
over a year ago

cheltenham

Inflation is temporary (it’s coming down and will continue to do so), those pay rises will be permanent…. Will the teachers give the money back once inflation has gone back to the lower levels?….

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If teaching is so wonderful with fantastic wages, why is there a shortage of teachers & why are all you moaners not applying for the job"

I know a few people who had careers before they became teachers, the reason for them becoming teachers was a safety net that they didnt have in there previous careers, not chasing work if they were self employed, no possibilty of being made redundant as there job as a teacher is never in doubt to be made redundant, a garunteed salary, not experiencing zero hour contracts when the company they work for runs into financial difficulties or have there hours cut, a good pension, great holidays (they go abroad evey easter and summer) work less hours than in there previous jobs and so on, my point is the people i know became teachers because of the job security being a teacher brings compared to there previous careers, id rather have people teaching my kids because they loved kids and had a passion to help them learn and educate them not bacause of the good salary and a good job security which im afraid is what your seeing,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That might have been the case fifteen years ago, new teachers are actually being put on zero hour contracts. This is especially bad in primary schools where children are getting multiple teachers in a week.

And then the teachers, because they’ve not worked a full year don’t get the amazing pay rises you all think they get.

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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

Cmoan the teachers.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Inflation is temporary (it’s coming down and will continue to do so), those pay rises will be permanent…. Will the teachers give the money back once inflation has gone back to the lower levels?…."

Again that’s not how inflation works. It is a historical measure, the price rises have already happened. If next month inflation is at 9% it just means things are getting more expensive at a slower rate.

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By *avie65Man
over a year ago

In the west.

A few people have mentioned inflation coming down and will the teachers then take a pay cut because of this.

Inflation probably will come down but prices won't. The prices for everyone will still go up. If the price of goods started to go down that would be deflation which isn't a good thing. If this were the case there would be more supply than demand and consumers would hold off buying goods as they wait until they are at a lower price than they are today.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sick of all these people wanting pay rises..this is what's fueling inflation meaning cost of services and goods more expensive. False economy.

It really isn’t. When prices are increasing yet companies are making record profits that means their costs have remained the same or reduced. Think about why.

The union the represents call centres workers did strike and got better pay for their members. Generally though call centre workers aren’t unionised.

Amazon workers managed to strike and het better pay and conditions. Amazon still makes huge profits which aren’t taxed.

The majority of rail franchises are foreign owned and their profits are offshore. Network rail makes a killing. They are all guaranteed to make money by the the government.

You don’t seem to be as fully aware as you think you are.

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By *estless nativeMan
over a year ago

near Glasgow

There is a recruitment and retention crisis in the UK.

If you think this is simply about public sector workers wanting more, more, more then you aren't paying attention.

Poor working conditions and rewards are seeing people quit their chosen profession and fewer people seeing it as a viable career path.

The city of Perth in Australia are actively recruiting UK professionals, such as teachers, doctors, nurses. They have 31,000 vacancies to fill.

We are suffering a brain drain and that is resulting in lower quality services and outcomes, pay and conditions are one of the key factors to recruitment and retention.

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By *estless nativeMan
over a year ago

near Glasgow

"Sick of all these people wanting pay rises..this is what's fueling inflation meaning cost of services and goods more expensive. False economy.

It really isn’t. When prices are increasing yet companies are making record profits that means their costs have remained the same or reduced. Think about why.

Mostly due to most of those sectors having really shite uptake in union membership, as a result the employer doesn't need to recognise their union.

Join a union and organise.

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By *estless nativeMan
over a year ago

near Glasgow

Last thought on this, and risking a spell on the naughty step.

As someone who's job is a inion adviser, I am shocked by the number of scab's around, stop reading/listening to the 1% owned media and think for yourselves

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"That might have been the case fifteen years ago, new teachers are actually being put on zero hour contracts. This is especially bad in primary schools where children are getting multiple teachers in a week.

And then the teachers, because they’ve not worked a full year don’t get the amazing pay rises you all think they get. "

No teacher is working on a zero hour contract, school staff yes, teachers no they get a salary

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And then the teachers, because they’ve not worked a full year don’t get the amazing pay rises you all think they get.

No teacher is working on a zero hour contract, school staff yes, teachers no they get a salary "

…

https://www.scotsman.com/education/nicola-sturgeon-challenged-on-scotlands-thousands-of-teachers-on-zero-hours-contracts-3170637

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By *assy LassieWoman
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

And then the teachers, because they’ve not worked a full year don’t get the amazing pay rises you all think they get.

No teacher is working on a zero hour contract, school staff yes, teachers no they get a salary "

Maybe some of the teachers could educate you on economics and politics. Some might throw in a bit of maths tuition to.

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By *utdooryoneMan
over a year ago

Over there

"Last thought on this, and risking a spell on the naughty step.

As someone who's job is a inion adviser, I am shocked by the number of scab's around, stop reading/listening to the 1% owned media and think for yourselves"

Note my post where I say two friends will lose jobs to pay for the payrise.

Both heard from Union that they won't be supported - the payrise is more important than teacher/support staff numbers.

So if there's any "scabs", it is the EIS union.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We've had enough of the strikes. My kids have missed so much education over the last few years because of covid, my additional needs little girl can't understand what a strike is, this is very damaging to her routine & behavioural issues.

Husband worked throughout covid, with no pay rise

Hope this stops soon

Mrs C

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

My blood pressure rises just thinking about a day in their role…

Good luck to them

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By *ookie an creamCouple
over a year ago

Fife

"I think teachers have lost the support of most people. We all want better pay and conditions for the work we do. To go on strike again so soon after a midterm holiday puts working families under so much pressure. Most working families take holidays to cover the schools being off. Throw in the fact its close to the end of the financial year and most people have used up their holiday allowance means parents are having to take time off unpaid. Potentially not being able to pay bills. I have a few friends taking part in the strike but couldn't tell me by 5pm Monday if the strike was going ahead. 1 then sends me a snapchat of having a pint at lunchtime while on "strike". Easy to see why public opinion has turned against them"

Haven't seen one teacher on a picket line yet outside any of my kids school, here alot of teachers on radio or through news stories pleading poverty but i think alot alot forget thier are alot of people on far less wages and managing to survive but the strikes are effecting those families more than others because loosing a shift or two can have massive impact. In my opinion from peoplei have spoke to public opinion is definitely not on the teachers side but i believe that was the same when nhs staff strike.

Cream

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By *oversfunCouple
over a year ago

ayrshire

Teachers do a great job and want a decent pay rise,havent heard a bad word against them or any of the nhs staff,keep striking i beleive the majority of ppl support you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cream"

Our local nursing home has been dangerously understaffed these last 2 days as the mums have had to stay home to look after their kids while the strikes happen. Those mums are now frightened how they will manage without those shifts in their next pay packet. No teachers to be seen out on a picket line here either

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By *unfinders30Couple
over a year ago

here

I had a wee chuckle today I’m working on a site next to a school , There was a big pink picket line all waving flags and chuft in there defiance, then the rain came on and that big pink picket line dissolved pretty damn rapidly

the cause just wasn’t worth getting wet for lol .

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over a year ago

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By *lashnannieCouple
over a year ago

Dundee

Why pick on the teachers, surely every single.one of you would like a better wage if you could have it. Your argument should be with the people and corporations who make huge sums of money and pay little tax. The money disappears offshore and benefits no-one in the UK. They are the reason why this country has to try to screw everyone financially. This is more about making sure people are divided, fighting about something that in reality pales into insignificance when the bigger picture is looked at.

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By *cottybhoyMan
over a year ago

falkirk

"If teaching is so wonderful with fantastic wages, why is there a shortage of teachers & why are all you moaners not applying for the job"

Or if it is so crap, why don’t they just go elsewhere? And don’t say it’s because they love the kids, the only folk being hurt here are the kids!

Simple question, I have worked in and frequented many bars during my career - I have never once seen a teacher behind a bar seeking to supplement their wages in this way. Seen many public servants (including prison officers) and tradesmen doing so. Never a teacher. Have you seen one?

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By *ald EagleMan
over a year ago

Alloa

Read elsewhere that the Scottish councils are loving the strikes as it’s saving them a substantial amount in teachers pay. So much so, that it’s going towards paying a better rise than first offered. Basically by striking, the teachers are paying for their own pay rise when it comes. Heard a few say any backdated pay they get will be paying off the debt they’ve accrued by striking.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

And then the teachers, because they’ve not worked a full year don’t get the amazing pay rises you all think they get.

No teacher is working on a zero hour contract, school staff yes, teachers no they get a salary

Maybe some of the teachers could educate you on economics and politics. Some might throw in a bit of maths tuition to. "

Believe everything you read in the papers do you?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Disgusted that not one person thinks its unfair on the kids, kids pay the price while there teachers demand more money to continue to teach them, playing russian roulette with childrens education. What happens if they dont get the money they want? Kids continue to lose days which limits there full potential. As for the comment in the scotsman sorry i dont read newspapers just real facts that exist

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If teaching is so wonderful with fantastic wages, why is there a shortage of teachers & why are all you moaners not applying for the job

Or if it is so crap, why don’t they just go elsewhere? And don’t say it’s because they love the kids, the only folk being hurt here are the kids!

Because of majority of them have already had jobs elsewhere before becoming teachers which is a huge safety net compared to there previous jobs, scares the life out of them the thought of going back to a "normal job"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Disgusted that not one person thinks its unfair on the kids, kids pay the price while there teachers demand more money to continue to teach them, playing russian roulette with childrens education. What happens if they dont get the money they want? Kids continue to lose days which limits there full potential. As for the comment in the scotsman sorry i dont read newspapers just real facts that exist "

Real facts? Where do the real facts come from?

The article is based on actual information that was submitted to the education committee at Parliament. It is a factual public record.

Genuinely where do you get you real information?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

And then the teachers, because they’ve not worked a full year don’t get the amazing pay rises you all think they get.

No teacher is working on a zero hour contract, school staff yes, teachers no they get a salary

Maybe some of the teachers could educate you on economics and politics. Some might throw in a bit of maths tuition to. "

Btw its supply teacher that are on zero hour contracts who if they take a day off wont affect my daughters education in fact they only exist to support the teachers already in place with that over load of work they claim they have to do, no need for insulting people who only want the teachers strike to stop so my wee girls routine isnt affected and doesnt miss out on her education, no need at all. Im quite good with numbers too use them everyday at work building schools, hospitals etc

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Real facts? Where do the real facts come from?

The article is based on actual information that was submitted to the education committee at Parliament. It is a factual public record.

Genuinely where do you get you real information?"

Its the councils who pay the teachers not the Scottish goverment, its support teachers who are on zero hour contracts who im pretty sure didnt start the strike, if a support teacher takes a day off then that doesnt affect my daughters education as they are only there to support the teachers on the salaries, that itself is a slap in the face yes.

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By *avie65Man
over a year ago

In the west.

There are many many teachers leaving the job because of what they are paid and the additional hours that they are expected to work just to keep on top of classes. A 1 hour class activity may take 3 hours to research and prepare and make sure it is grammatically correct so their students know how to write properly. The extra hours they work reduces their hourly rate sometimes by 50%, or more.

How many people in this discussion don't get paid for extra they work? Extra hours and weekend working are paid at an enhanced rate so will you now say that nurses and healthcare staff shouldn't be paid the enhanced rate for working nightshift and weekends!

The abuse teachers have to put up with on a daily basis is getting way out of hand. How many of you have been verbally abused or physically assaulted at work, sometimes on a daily basis?

If you think it is an easy job, come and do it, but only after you have completed a minimum of 4 years study, whilst holding down part-time jobs, then be expected to keep your skills upto date through continuous CPD.

Having said this I do think the offer should have been given to the membership so they can either accept or reject it.

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By *edGlasgowMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Here's a question - how many people are using the figures reported in the media only, rather than what the actual deal offered was?

For clarity - they are different, but sensible people will understand why that is.

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By *assy LassieWoman
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

And then the teachers, because they’ve not worked a full year don’t get the amazing pay rises you all think they get.

No teacher is working on a zero hour contract, school staff yes, teachers no they get a salary

Maybe some of the teachers could educate you on economics and politics. Some might throw in a bit of maths tuition to.

Believe everything you read in the papers do you? "

Absolutely not. If the papers were to be believed the teachers are the devil incarnate. So I don't know how you correlate my comment about educating yourself in economics as me believing what I read in the papers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Amount of boot licking cunts that want a race to the bottom … wages should be raised across the board but some on here want others to be trampled down

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By *oe17761Man
over a year ago

stirling

I have a PhD in Economics and there seems to be a lack of understanding about inflation (amongst some on here). If inflation falls to 5 percent next year, that means that price will go up on average around 11 percent this year and up 5 percent the following year. Why wound teaches give back a two year pay “rise” that wound actually be in real terms a pay cut!!

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By *assy LassieWoman
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

"I have a PhD in Economics and there seems to be a lack of understanding about inflation (amongst some on here). If inflation falls to 5 percent next year, that means that price will go up on average around 11 percent this year and up 5 percent the following year. Why wound teaches give back a two year pay “rise” that wound actually be in real terms a pay cut!! "

At last some sense on the economics

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By *ookie an creamCouple
over a year ago

Fife

Teachers may do alittle extra work each week ie marking at home or staying back an an hour but when you think of the amount of time they get of compared to a 'normal job' the hours probably more than balance out throughout the year i would love 12 weeks of a year instead of 4.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What time do they get of?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Newly qualified teachers begin on a salary of £36,600

The average salary for a teacher in the job 5 - 10 years is £52,000

The highest paid head teachers are on around £90,000

On these salaries even 10% over 2 years is a very good deal especially with 2022 being back dated.

My pension is only half of the salary of an average teacher."

These figures are plain wrong. I suggest you look at the teacher pay scale on the yougov website. Also, most teachers can get paid a hell of a lot me doing other work and sacrifice a hell of a lot to do the job they do.

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By *redwilma666Couple
over a year ago

Kilbirnie

"Teachers may do alittle extra work each week ie marking at home or staying back an an hour but when you think of the amount of time they get of compared to a 'normal job' the hours probably more than balance out throughout the year i would love 12 weeks of a year instead of 4."

Become a teacher then

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

It seems the education system has failed

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By *orders CoupleCouple
over a year ago

Kelso

"Newly qualified teachers begin on a salary of £36,600

The average salary for a teacher in the job 5 - 10 years is £52,000

The highest paid head teachers are on around £90,000

On these salaries even 10% over 2 years is a very good deal especially with 2022 being back dated.

My pension is only half of the salary of an average teacher."

I must have done something very wrong in that case. Nowhere near that average wage after over 25 years!

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By *orders CoupleCouple
over a year ago

Kelso

Having met numerous people who have come into teaching from other industries over the years, all have said that teaching is by far the most difficult job they've done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm in the private sector, my pay has risen ~1% in the past 10years.

Despite that I still support any union legally striking. It's a farce every month or so we have "record breaking profit" headlines while the workers suffer.

It's embarrassing some working class folk would attack others for risking their livelihood to go on a picket line. Stinks of "why should they get that? What am I getting?" Someone has to break the wage suppression in the UK, help it be them and everyone will eventually follow!

Some of the understanding of what is going on is cringe worthy (yes op I'm looking at you) and our press has a lot to answer for with the editorial decisions being made.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm in the private sector, my pay has risen ~1% in the past 10years.

Despite that I still support any union legally striking. It's a farce every month or so we have "record breaking profit" headlines while the workers suffer.

Some of the understanding of what is going on is cringe worthy (yes op I'm looking at you) and our press has a lot to answer for with the editorial decisions being made.

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By *ald EagleMan
over a year ago

Alloa

Teachers are already well paid for what they do AND they get paid whilst off for all the holidays which is the opposite of all the Admin & Support staff who don’t get paid for the Summer holidays but instead have their Termtime pay spread over the 12 months instead of 10.

Those Admin & Support staff also do a massive amount of the Prep work the teachers use in the classes and also support the teachers in the classrooms as well.

More and more teachers are breaking the strike as they can’t afford to lose pay by striking. The EIS leaders however aren’t losing a penny during these strikes and the union aren’t covering the Lost wages of the teachers. Why? Cost them too much to do that,

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By *arkyp_321Man
over a year ago

East Kilbride

"Yes so the pay rise doesn’t cover inflation. Think about it.

11.5 is a higher number than 10 so i suggest you think about it."

Eh, so you are comparing a two year pay settlement with one years worth of inflation …??!?!?!

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By *arkyp_321Man
over a year ago

East Kilbride

Why would they have to pay anything back ?!? You do realise that if inflation drops, it doesn’t mean the cost of living falls, right ? And when inflation falls it will have v little yo do with govt policy ….

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By *arkyp_321Man
over a year ago

East Kilbride

Yes, exactly. Actually it’s an alarming lack of understanding ….

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By *avie65Man
over a year ago

In the west.

"Teachers are already well paid for what they do AND they get paid whilst off for all the holidays which is the opposite of all the Admin & Support staff who don’t get paid for the Summer holidays but instead have their Termtime pay spread over the 12 months instead of 10.

Those Admin & Support staff also do a massive amount of the Prep work the teachers use in the classes and also support the teachers in the classrooms as well.

Do you know the exact contracts the admin staff have or if they are paid pro rata?

You then mention prep work, which isn't a proper noun, but what prep work is it they are doing?

Could it be that some of those you mention have a dual contract where they do admin and classroom support?

Everyone who takes part in a strike can't afford to lose money.

If teachers keep being verbally and physically abused, inside and out outside the classroom, don't feel valued and are expected to be teachers, social workers, counsellors etc they will leave the job then there won't be an education system.

The education system in Scotland has been decimated by successive government over a number of years and pay is only a small part of it. If this continues there won't be an education system and that will be bad for everyone. We already have kids who can't read or do basic arithmetic without the aid of a calculator.

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By *astlincscoupleCouple
over a year ago

Tinsel Town

Unfortunately this is a swinger site and you will be measured by your profile rather than your academic achievements.

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By *implyfun1Man
over a year ago

glasgow

Give them the wage increase

Then cut their holidays to 5 paid weeks a year like the rest of us

See how they like that

I own a garage and recently and reluctantly put the labour rate up

I had a 15 minute chat with a teacher who’s car was in for repair trying to justify the increase but he simply didn’t agree with it!

Finally I think I got through to him when I said “you are wanting a wage rise due to the cost of living going up, well I need to increase prices as operating costs have gone up”

Catch 22 right there

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By *edGlasgowMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Those Admin & Support staff also do a massive amount of the Prep work the teachers use in the classes and also support the teachers in the classrooms as well.

Do you know the exact contracts the admin staff have or if they are paid pro rata?

You then mention prep work, which isn't a proper noun, but what prep work is it they are doing?

Could it be that some of those you mention have a dual contract where they do admin and classroom support?

Everyone who takes part in a strike can't afford to lose money.

I'd check your facts re the EIS and lost wages pal.

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By *igboobiesCouple
over a year ago

Saltcoats

"Just a wee question. How many people here ( non public sector) have had a pay rise that comes anywhere near inflation? "

Got 3% last year this year been told 1%

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By *avie65Man
over a year ago

In the west.

Those Admin & Support staff also do a massive amount of the Prep work the teachers use in the classes and also support the teachers in the classrooms as well.

Do you know the exact contracts the admin staff have or if they are paid pro rata?

You then mention prep work, which isn't a proper noun, but what prep work is it they are doing?

Could it be that some of those you mention have a dual contract where they do admin and classroom support?

Everyone who takes part in a strike can't afford to lose money.

I'd check your facts re the EIS and lost wages pal."

What about the lost wages?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

While the figures are eye watering it has to be considered against the back drop teachers like most public sector workers and ALL civil servants have suffered a real time reduction in wages for 13 years remember austerity after the banking crisis? Public sector got hammered civil servants got in grade spine points removed still never came back pay freeze for years then 0.5 percent. This continued with the understanding that it would be made right eventually, yet this same group are now being hit again 1.7 percent is what I received insulting to say the least! Simply put after decades of no or little rise it was just about manageable but now with spiralling costs it just does not work. We have succeeded in creating a new class the working poor. Earn enough to get benefits but not enough to live in by time we pay rent or mortgage let alone heat food or fuel. An example of how poorly paid public sector is the rise in minimum wage wipes out 3 salary grades in civil service they are so low that all 3 will be the same level of pay. Successive governments have demonised and devalued the public sector to a point where it's broken. Most of us do not do it for the money not the reason you go into this type of job BUT you still have to afford to live

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By *edGlasgowMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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By *edGlasgowMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Those Admin & Support staff also do a massive amount of the Prep work the teachers use in the classes and also support the teachers in the classrooms as well.

Do you know the exact contracts the admin staff have or if they are paid pro rata?

You then mention prep work, which isn't a proper noun, but what prep work is it they are doing?

Could it be that some of those you mention have a dual contract where they do admin and classroom support?

Everyone who takes part in a strike can't afford to lose money.

I'd check your facts re the EIS and lost wages pal.

What about the lost wages?"

You said the union isn't covering lost wages. I'd check your facts on that if I were you.

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By *avie65Man
over a year ago

In the west.

Those Admin & Support staff also do a massive amount of the Prep work the teachers use in the classes and also support the teachers in the classrooms as well.

Do you know the exact contracts the admin staff have or if they are paid pro rata?

You then mention prep work, which isn't a proper noun, but what prep work is it they are doing?

Could it be that some of those you mention have a dual contract where they do admin and classroom support?

Everyone who takes part in a strike can't afford to lose money.

I'd check your facts re the EIS and lost wages pal.

What about the lost wages?

You said the union isn't covering lost wages. I'd check your facts on that if I were you."

That wasn't me. It was in the message I was replying to.

I know they paid strike pay for those on targeted strikes but whether it was a full day's pay I'm not sure. Those who are adversely affect will probably be able to apply to the hardship fund.

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By *usband and wifeyCouple
over a year ago

Dundee

Also remember all the paid holidays they get each year, how many folk get 12 weeks a year paid holidays?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the issue is lots here are pointing out that teachers get long holidays or that they are already well paid compared to others..... this has nothing to do with inflation though

If a teachers salary was £40k two years ago it needs to be £44 just to match inflation now....

Now the issue is no-one is getting inflation matching pay rises. I work in private sector and my current company have paid very little increases year on year. In fact I had to get a promotion just to inflation match mall the salary I took in 2015!!

Inflation is killing our economy everything costs more.... we therefore need to be paid more.... which means businesses need to increase cost of everything to cover costs...

Except utility companies obviously who can just profiteer Obscenely whilst thousands die in Ukraine....

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By *t2022Couple
over a year ago

Edinburgh

It’s always intrigued me why large numbers of society appear to hate teachers and social workers etc.

What’s wrong with a Graduate earning a professional wage?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are also plenty of people who have had to take pay cuts to remain in a job and others who have lost their jobs due to riding costs...some folk should just be thankful and get on with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just a wee question. How many people here ( non public sector) have had a pay rise that comes anywhere near inflation?

Got 3% last year this year been told 1% "

Hubby has had 20% drop in wages since COVID.. n all these bleeders wantinh ridiculous rises. Bring funded thru income tax and

Council tax...

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By *oulkissMan
over a year ago

Croydon

"Hubby has had 20% drop in wages since COVID.. n all these bleeders wantinh ridiculous rises. Bring funded thru income tax and

Council tax..."

You sdhould complain to your Hubbys bosses, or change jobs instead of being jealous and wanting to drag others down.

MOST of the people in this country (and I mean the UK, not just Scotland) are underpaid/been gradually having their pay reduced.

Everyone who has a job but also gets Universal Credit or other Benefits are an example of the taxpayer subsidising business, if a company cannot afford to pay an employee enough to actually live on then maybe the companies business model is broken.

I'm lucky,I live in London these days and work in IT, I got msde redundant the week before Xmas 2021, had a new job within a month (thats over Xmas and New Year, also had a second offer at the same time) and started my new job with about a 40% increase, but even insulated by all that, I csn see the true state of things, so we shouldn't be saying "I've got it bad, so no one deserves better, we should be saying we all deserve to be ablke to earn enough for more than the bare minimum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couldn't agree more! I previously worked in the public sector and now run my own business. See it from both sides.

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By *cottybhoyMan
over a year ago

falkirk

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By *cottybhoyMan
over a year ago

falkirk

"It’s always intrigued me why large numbers of society appear to hate teachers and social workers etc.

What’s wrong with a Graduate earning a professional wage? "

What’s so special about having a degree like? Does that make you a professional at the age of 21-23?

Never heard anything so stupid

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think the issue is lots here are pointing out that teachers get long holidays or that they are already well paid compared to others..... this has nothing to do with inflation though

If a teachers salary was £40k two years ago it needs to be £44 just to match inflation now....

Inflation is killing our economy everything costs more.... we therefore need to be paid more.... which means businesses need to increase cost of everything to cover costs...

Except utility companies obviously who can just profiteer Obscenely whilst thousands die in Ukraine....

Post wasnt created to explain how inflation works was to get everyones opinion on the strikes after recieving an offer of a wage increase yet the kids still missing days on end because of the strikes leaving parents to arrange temporary baby sitters, paying extra in child care costs and dirupting a routine they have tried so hard to maintain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think the issue is lots here are pointing out that teachers get long holidays or that they are already well paid compared to others..... this has nothing to do with inflation though

If a teachers salary was £40k two years ago it needs to be £44 just to match inflation now....

Inflation is killing our economy everything costs more.... we therefore need to be paid more.... which means businesses need to increase cost of everything to cover costs...

Except utility companies obviously who can just profiteer Obscenely whilst thousands die in Ukraine....

You do understand that the strikes and inflation go hand in hand?

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By *t2022Couple
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Maybe I stupid but teachers on £48k certainly aren’t. Very smart move - clearly.

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By *arkyp_321Man
over a year ago

East Kilbride

"I think the issue is lots here are pointing out that teachers get long holidays or that they are already well paid compared to others..... this has nothing to do with inflation though

If a teachers salary was £40k two years ago it needs to be £44 just to match inflation now....

Inflation is killing our economy everything costs more.... we therefore need to be paid more.... which means businesses need to increase cost of everything to cover costs...

Except utility companies obviously who can just profiteer Obscenely whilst thousands die in Ukraine....

You do understand that the strikes and inflation go hand in hand? "

How’s that ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lol because like most industrial action happening just now it’s because pay is no longer in line with increasing inflation and increasing costs of living. Maybe read the news.

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By *arkyp_321Man
over a year ago

East Kilbride

"Lol because like most industrial action happening just now it’s because pay is no longer in line with increasing inflation and increasing costs of living. Maybe read the news. "

I thought you were suggesting strike action results in inflation ?

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By *rankie bricksMan
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

"Newly qualified teachers begin on a salary of £36,600

The average salary for a teacher in the job 5 - 10 years is £52,000

The highest paid head teachers are on around £90,000

I agree, plenty of people in other roles that do not earn anywhere near that level of income, what about school support staff, dinner lady, cleaner low income, no pension, no union not able to strike

On these salaries even 10% over 2 years is a very good deal especially with 2022 being back dated.

My pension is only half of the salary of an average teacher."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, I said they go hand in hand but in that increasing inflation has led to increasing industrial action. Clear correlation and causation there. That’s why it’s important to talk about inflation in terms of the current strike action around teacher pay.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's a new offer on the table, I think it's 7% backdated to last April, a further 5% from this April then another 2% from December. I believe the Union is urging it's members to accept it. Seems a good offer to me

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By *arkyp_321Man
over a year ago

East Kilbride

"No, I said they go hand in hand but in that increasing inflation has led to increasing industrial action. Clear correlation and causation there. That’s why it’s important to talk about inflation in terms of the current strike action around teacher pay. "

Yes, definitely ! I misinterpret what you said !

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By *enLucyCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

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By *enLucyCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"It’s always intrigued me why large numbers of society appear to hate teachers and social workers etc.

What’s wrong with a Graduate earning a professional wage? "

This ??

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By *enLucyCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

It added an arrow emoji which didn’t work lol

I find many of the replies on this thread wholly depressing.

Then there are the little gems of sense dotted in between lol

It’s a graduate job which earns a graduate salary. When you were at school you were told to study so you get a good job… this is what they meant.

So when that salary doesn’t reflect the salaries of other graduate posts, it needs adjusted.

If your salary doesn’t reflect inflation, you demand that it does. You can only ask. If that means striking, so be it. It is very much a service which is take for granted.

The idea of suing individual teachers made me laugh out loud - I was so glad when someone else voiced my thoughts - ‘clown’.

Also. They don’t get paid for their holidays. The same as everyone else, the working days’ pay is all that is paid, and is divided evenly over the course of the year.

I’ve supported the teacher strikes despite it impacting on my family and my job, in the same way as I support the train strikes and other industries. The attitudes of some of the people on here is mind-blowing.

Maybe we should all stick to the subjects we know about, eh? Back to the chitchat on blowjobs and edging…

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By *avie65Man
over a year ago

In the west.

"It added an arrow emoji which didn’t work lol

I find many of the replies on this thread wholly depressing.

Then there are the little gems of sense dotted in between lol

It’s a graduate job which earns a graduate salary. When you were at school you were told to study so you get a good job… this is what they meant.

So when that salary doesn’t reflect the salaries of other graduate posts, it needs adjusted.

If your salary doesn’t reflect inflation, you demand that it does. You can only ask. If that means striking, so be it. It is very much a service which is take for granted.

The idea of suing individual teachers made me laugh out loud - I was so glad when someone else voiced my thoughts - ‘clown’.

Also. They don’t get paid for their holidays. The same as everyone else, the working days’ pay is all that is paid, and is divided evenly over the course of the year.

Maybe we should all stick to the subjects we know about, eh? Back to the chitchat on blowjobs and edging…"

Ooo contentious eh, BJ's and edging.