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"Everyone should have the right to strike. If the pay and conditions are crap.just because they are a public service the government have them over a barrel. In my opinion that is lol" Yeah, think because of the selfless image portrayed of the procession, the general public can often have a different view. Mr 100% agrees with you. I'm unsure. | |||
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"Everyone should have the right to strike. If the pay and conditions are crap.just because they are a public service the government have them over a barrel. In my opinion that is lol Yeah, think because of the selfless image portrayed of the procession, the general public can often have a different view. Mr 100% agrees with you. I'm unsure." why are you unsure miss? | |||
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"Everyone should have the right to strike. If the pay and conditions are crap.just because they are a public service the government have them over a barrel. In my opinion that is lol Yeah, think because of the selfless image portrayed of the procession, the general public can often have a different view. Mr 100% agrees with you. I'm unsure.why are you unsure miss?" Thinking about the implications for patients. Actually having to walk away from someone in need and thinking of innocent people who would suffer. I can see why it's justified though. They've had the piss taken out of them for years. | |||
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"And that's why they wouldn't.but...that dosnt make it right? Oh a train driver can fight for what they are worth..but a highly trained nurse that faces life ir death situations orob on a daily basis can't? Seems really unfair." I agree with you. I just think in the situation myself I would find it incredibly hard to do. But then that's what the government are counting on. | |||
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"And that's why they wouldn't.but...that dosnt make it right? Oh a train driver can fight for what they are worth..but a highly trained nurse that faces life ir death situations orob on a daily basis can't? Seems really unfair. I agree with you. I just think in the situation myself I would find it incredibly hard to do. But then that's what the government are counting on." Medical professionals tend not to strike in the way we generally think of strikes. There are a number of alternative forms of industrial action available, work to rule is the normal option for nurses & docs. Personally I think the question we should be asking is, is it morally wrong that medics have seen a 25-30% real terms cut in income since the tories came back in to power, while also seeing a reduction in staff numbers. | |||
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"It's a difficult one. My little ones mum is a nurse, ITU ward specifically and she gets 11.80 an hour on a normal shift, super market workers, bus drivers, bin men, street litter pickers are on more than that, not to say they don't deserve it, my point is it's a disgrace, they are literally dealing with peoples life.....if she does agency doing the same job she can get 48 an hour, why is the government happy to pay 48 an hour but not give them all a wage rise? It's the same with my job, it's actually illegal for us to strike, it's against the law, so we have to take other actions such as working to rule, much much less effective but the only thing we can do as of now. Personally, yes I think they should do it and as harsh as this sounds, if people die or become worse from lack of care, everyone knows it's not the medical staff thought specifically, they are just putting a firm foot down until they get the respect they deserve. Sadly people will suffer for that and hopefully the public will point fingers at them." Christ I need to spell check, I meant it's not there fault and the public will NOT point fingers at them. | |||
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"It's a difficult one. My little ones mum is a nurse, ITU ward specifically and she gets 11.80 an hour on a normal shift, super market workers, bus drivers, bin men, street litter pickers are on more than that, not to say they don't deserve it, my point is it's a disgrace, they are literally dealing with peoples life.....if she does agency doing the same job she can get 48 an hour, why is the government happy to pay 48 an hour but not give them all a wage rise? It's the same with my job, it's actually illegal for us to strike, it's against the law, so we have to take other actions such as working to rule, much much less effective but the only thing we can do as of now. Personally, yes I think they should do it and as harsh as this sounds, if people die or become worse from lack of care, everyone knows it's not the medical staff thought specifically, they are just putting a firm foot down until they get the respect they deserve. Sadly people will suffer for that and hopefully the public will point fingers at them." My friend is a theatre nurse and she was saying the same last week about agency staff. Working alongside, same skill set and level of experience and she's getting considerably less. | |||
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" The Tories are hell bent on privatisation of the NHS." The Tories have been in government for something like 80% of the last century yet have never privatised the NHS. Plus, in Scotland, it’s not theirs to privatise But keep up the Kool-Aid rations ![]() | |||
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" The Tories are hell bent on privatisation of the NHS. The Tories have been in government for something like 80% of the last century yet have never privatised the NHS. Plus, in Scotland, it’s not theirs to privatise But keep up the Kool-Aid rations ![]() They keep cutting scotlands budget though. | |||
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" The Tories are hell bent on privatisation of the NHS. The Tories have been in government for something like 80% of the last century yet have never privatised the NHS. Look into who owns the majority of NHS GP practises. It’s already happened. Google Centene and come back to me. Plus, in Scotland, it’s not theirs to privatise But keep up the Kool-Aid rations ![]() | |||
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" The Tories are hell bent on privatisation of the NHS. The Tories have been in government for something like 80% of the last century yet have never privatised the NHS. Plus, in Scotland, it’s not theirs to privatise But keep up the Kool-Aid rations ![]() . Our budget is £37m a year from Westminster… The exchequer takes £50m in tax from our whisky industry alone. | |||
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"Reading an article online..states that nearly 70% of nursing staff in Scotland would support strike action. Thoughts? https://nursingnotes.co.uk/news/workforce/poll-suggests-scotlands-nursing-staff-support-strike-action/ Yes strike every working person in the UK should strike. The government will then solve the infatuation and the other costs. People power , are we whimps? " | |||
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"No. People need to stand up for themselves and future generations. The government are taking advantage of the NHS workers. The Tories are hell bent on privatisation of the NHS." Fuck future generations they are not here. It is us the now generations let us rise and strike | |||
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"It's a difficult one. My little ones mum is a nurse, ITU ward specifically and she gets 11.80 an hour on a normal shift, super market workers, bus drivers, bin men, street litter pickers are on more than that, not to say they don't deserve it, my point is it's a disgrace, they are literally dealing with peoples life.....if she does agency doing the same job she can get 48 an hour, why is the government happy to pay 48 an hour but not give them all a wage rise? It's the same with my job, it's actually illegal for us to strike, it's against the law, so we have to take other actions such as working to rule, much much less effective but the only thing we can do as of now. Personally, yes I think they should do it and as harsh as this sounds, if people die or become worse from lack of care, everyone knows it's not the medical staff thought specifically, they are just putting a firm foot down until they get the respect they deserve. Sadly people will suffer for that and hopefully the public will point fingers at them. My friend is a theatre nurse and she was saying the same last week about agency staff. Working alongside, same skill set and level of experience and she's getting considerably less." well my advice to your friend is to resign and work as an agency nurse. An increase in pay | |||
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"It’s not just about understaffing, they should look at the number of staff on long term sick as their positions can only be covered by temporary staff while they remain on the payroll. The NHS needs to have someone with an expertise in logistics to actually make it function better. How much money is wasted transporting meals, laundry, equipment, etc when there’s no doubt a more economical way to do it. It’s not about more funding, the current budget could be used more efficiently. I’ve seen first hand the way money is wasted. A patient not turning up for a CT scan and x-ray for example is a cost of £1200. A missed consultant appointment is £120. It’s all in the way their budgets work eg one missed CT and X-ray appointment per week costs one hospital costs £62,400 you can see how it soon adds up. That would easily pay for one senior member of nursing staff or two new nurses. I worked in Adult Mental Health dealing with dementia patients, so unless another member of their family took them or were informed of the appointment, many of them are missed. Its all about how the budgets and resources are used. " ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"100% agree nhs staff are always getting shafted and understand the want to strike but also the need for them not to due to the repercussions it could lead to with patient health ..here's a solution ... the unions get together and start singing from the same sheet and get other industries to strike on behalf of nurses and i dont mean a token gesture strike ![]() These other sectors need to have a dispute before it can be escalated up to an indicative ballot, then if that has overwhelming support a strike ballot would be issued by the union executives. Who would pay the wages of those going on strike on behalf of the nurses, which I'm sure is illegal? You also have to consider that the other sectors won't earn as much as a nurse. Striking is a last resort and the money you lose can never be made up. Employers can engineer a strike and the money lost by the workers is then used to pay for their own wage rise. I have been there on many occasions. | |||
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"Reading an article online..states that nearly 70% of nursing staff in Scotland would support strike action. Thoughts? https://nursingnotes.co.uk/news/workforce/poll-suggests-scotlands-nursing-staff-support-strike-action/ " Yes definitely, but they shouldn't need to. Unfortunately we live in a society where a train driver can get 60k and we support them because it interrupts out lives when they strike so we cant go on a night out. But when you have the capability to save someone's life its acceptable to pay crap wages, treat them like shite and verbally abuse them. They should be treated like the highly trained professionals that they are and rewarded in a way that reflects their skills. Sturgeon and her partners in crime should be ashamed of themselves and embarrassed at the 'thank you bonus'.....rant over.... | |||
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"I can remember striking over grading many years ago in London. I think there thankfully is a new breed of nurse unwilling to put up with the shit conditions and pay. The older ones are frankly tired, the ones in the middle have been shafted in terms of their pensions. I vote strike." I remember the strike over grading in about 1987. I was working for the NHS and crossed the picket line. | |||
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"Definitely NO..when people take a career as a nurse doctor policeman fireman ambulance service..armed forces you are servant of the nation caring and defending the people. Morally wrong too strike in those professions." That is discrimination. The police and armed forces are the only groups in the public sector that are not allowed to strike. | |||
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"Not discrimination..they would have blood on their hands if they went on strike. Could a nurse or doc live with that ?" If you take away the right to strike fromsomeone or a specific group of people you are discriminating against them. The rules and regulations around striking are very stringent in the UK. You need to have a certain percentage of the union members voting and have over 50% of them voting to take strike action or ASOS before the dates for action can be announced. As for having blood on their hands get a grip. The health service is on its knees in this country because of successive governments and it is them that have "blood on their hands". | |||
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"Not discrimination..they would have blood on their hands if they went on strike. Could a nurse or doc live with that ?" Same way as the government could have blood on their hands if they work them into the ground and the end up ill or off with stress leaving hospitals understaffed delaying essential treatment or operations or a police force operating under resourced and unable to attend calls | |||
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"Not discrimination..they would have blood on their hands if they went on strike. Could a nurse or doc live with that ?" with words like that why not just guilt us into continuing to be underpaid, over worked and under valued ![]() | |||
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"Not discrimination..they would have blood on their hands if they went on strike. Could a nurse or doc live with that ?" If they do feel bad then they can take advice from any tory as they all seem more than happy to have blood on their hands. | |||
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"Typical of today's society..not happy with work just down tools ! I not happy with mine..lost 30% of my earnings since covid due to restructuring. But I would never go on strike." Are you regularly physically threatened or been actually assaulted at work? | |||
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"Not discrimination..they would have blood on their hands if they went on strike. Could a nurse or doc live with that ? Same way as the government could have blood on their hands if they work them into the ground and the end up ill or off with stress leaving hospitals understaffed delaying essential treatment or operations or a police force operating under resourced and unable to attend calls" this is actually happening now..hence the need for action as the tory government not giving a toss. | |||
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"Typical of today's society..not happy with work just down tools ! I not happy with mine..lost 30% of my earnings since covid due to restructuring. But I would never go on strike. Are you regularly physically threatened or been actually assaulted at work?" ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Not discrimination..they would have blood on their hands if they went on strike. Could a nurse or doc live with that ? Same way as the government could have blood on their hands if they work them into the ground and the end up ill or off with stress leaving hospitals understaffed delaying essential treatment or operations or a police force operating under resourced and unable to attend callsthis is actually happening now..hence the need for action as the tory government not giving a toss." It is and probably more than most realise | |||
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"Not discrimination..they would have blood on their hands if they went on strike. Could a nurse or doc live with that ?" Why would they have blood on their hands when there is still going to be staff working during the strike. Legally there needs to be so many staff to allow strike to happen in this sort of profession so no matter what, the patients are still going to be cared for but on skeleton staff. | |||
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"Definitely NO..when people take a career as a nurse doctor policeman fireman ambulance service..armed forces you are servant of the nation caring and defending the people. Morally wrong too strike in those professions." The armed forces aren’t allowed to strike, they get paid a daily rate every day which means during a normal working week 8-5, (theoretically you get paid to go to the pub and sleep).you get exactly the same as you do on exercise or operations where you might have worked 72 hours without a break. When you join the forces there is an acceptance that it’s not a normal job and you don’t have the same workers rights as other professions. NHS staff have unions and have the same rights as every other worker. The NHS have had a pay rise in 2021 which was the first pay rise since the start of austerity in 2010. For the last 2 and a half years staff have borne the brunt of the pandemic. While most were in the house during lockdown NHS and other public sector staff and other key private sector staff were keeping the country going, working long hours. Staff within the NHS are tired and fed up being a political football. Staff just want to earn a decent wage they can live off not take what is in effect a wage cut due to the cost of living and inflation. | |||
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"Definitely NO..when people take a career as a nurse doctor policeman fireman ambulance service..armed forces you are servant of the nation caring and defending the people. Morally wrong too strike in those professions. The armed forces aren’t allowed to strike, they get paid a daily rate every day which means during a normal working week 8-5, (theoretically you get paid to go to the pub and sleep).you get exactly the same as you do on exercise or operations where you might have worked 72 hours without a break. When you join the forces there is an acceptance that it’s not a normal job and you don’t have the same workers rights as other professions. NHS staff have unions and have the same rights as every other worker. The NHS have had a pay rise in 2021 which was the first pay rise since the start of austerity in 2010. For the last 2 and a half years staff have borne the brunt of the pandemic. While most were in the house during lockdown NHS and other public sector staff and other key private sector staff were keeping the country going, working long hours. Staff within the NHS are tired and fed up being a political football. Staff just want to earn a decent wage they can live off not take what is in effect a wage cut due to the cost of living and inflation. " ![]() | |||
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"It's a difficult one. My little ones mum is a nurse, ITU ward specifically and she gets 11.80 an hour on a normal shift, super market workers, bus drivers, bin men, street litter pickers are on more than that, not to say they don't deserve it, my point is it's a disgrace, they are literally dealing with peoples life.....if she does agency doing the same job she can get 48 an hour, why is the government happy to pay 48 an hour but not give them all a wage rise? It's the same with my job, it's actually illegal for us to strike, it's against the law, so we have to take other actions such as working to rule, much much less effective but the only thing we can do as of now. Personally, yes I think they should do it and as harsh as this sounds, if people die or become worse from lack of care, everyone knows it's not the medical staff thought specifically, they are just putting a firm foot down until they get the respect they deserve. Sadly people will suffer for that and hopefully the public will point fingers at them." Agency work is via Private Sector hence the higher pay rate. It’s the same with most agency staff in any job, the agency rate is higher than the employer pay rate. I did agency work in an office and got a higher rate than their own staff solely because I was via an agency. Employers pay the higher rate as they get the staff instantly and don’t need to train them themselves. | |||
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"Definitely NO..when people take a career as a nurse doctor policeman fireman ambulance service..armed forces you are servant of the nation caring and defending the people. Morally wrong too strike in those professions. The armed forces aren’t allowed to strike, they get paid a daily rate every day which means during a normal working week 8-5, (theoretically you get paid to go to the pub and sleep).you get exactly the same as you do on exercise or operations where you might have worked 72 hours without a break. When you join the forces there is an acceptance that it’s not a normal job and you don’t have the same workers rights as other professions. NHS staff have unions and have the same rights as every other worker. The NHS have had a pay rise in 2021 which was the first pay rise since the start of austerity in 2010. For the last 2 and a half years staff have borne the brunt of the pandemic. While most were in the house during lockdown NHS and other public sector staff and other key private sector staff were keeping the country going, working long hours. Staff within the NHS are tired and fed up being a political football. Staff just want to earn a decent wage they can live off not take what is in effect a wage cut due to the cost of living and inflation. " ![]() | |||
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"However if other unions come together in other industries went on strike to support hospital staff eg rail, buses, manufacturing companies, haulage companies, shops,, communications workers staff, teachers, etc were all to down tools once a week for a few weeks and stop that might serve a better purpose " Exactly they would in France if the unions did unite together and all walked out together for a day or two in support of the nurses and hospital staff "don't just clap for them garbage" we need to stand together to make sure they don't have to strike because the government know a lot of nurses won't strike because they care so much about the people they are looking after | |||
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"Definitely NO..when people take a career as a nurse doctor policeman fireman ambulance service..armed forces you are servant of the nation caring and defending the people. Morally wrong too strike in those professions. The armed forces aren’t allowed to strike, they get paid a daily rate every day which means during a normal working week 8-5, (theoretically you get paid to go to the pub and sleep).you get exactly the same as you do on exercise or operations where you might have worked 72 hours without a break. When you join the forces there is an acceptance that it’s not a normal job and you don’t have the same workers rights as other professions. NHS staff have unions and have the same rights as every other worker. The NHS have had a pay rise in 2021 which was the first pay rise since the start of austerity in 2010. For the last 2 and a half years staff have borne the brunt of the pandemic. While most were in the house during lockdown NHS and other public sector staff and other key private sector staff were keeping the country going, working long hours. Staff within the NHS are tired and fed up being a political football. Staff just want to earn a decent wage they can live off not take what is in effect a wage cut due to the cost of living and inflation. " For information, military nurses, dentists, doctors etc can join a union. In fact the Royal College of Nursing has represented military nurses in tribunals brought against the MOD. Mostly notably a very senior RAF won a case of sex descrimination against the RAF, she was represented by the RCN. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jun/25/raf-nurse-damages-sexual-discrimination | |||
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"You can't strike without their being sacrifices and people effected. Unfortunately it's people's health we are talking about ![]() What about the nurse health. They are stretched to the limit and should be fairly paid. They are hardly going to walk out en masses and leave patients to die ![]() | |||
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"Like the fire service, I’m sure that they wouldn’t go completely on strike. Life threatening situations would still be dealt with. We as a society can’t ask people to risk their lives (Covid wards or running into a burning building) and then expect to thank them with banging some pots together on a Thursday night. We need to pay them a proper wage and give them decent working conditions. " ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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