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"Be interesting to see what happens now with her obsession with Indy Ref 2. Hopefully nothing "Yeah I get she's not everyone cup of tea. But Jesus perish the thought that it was Douglas dross running the country | |||
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"Be interesting to see what happens now with her obsession with Indy Ref 2. Hopefully nothing Yeah I get she's not everyone cup of tea. But Jesus perish the thought that it was Douglas dross running the country "The guy can barely run the sideline let alone a country 
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"Be interesting to see what happens now with her obsession with Indy Ref 2. Hopefully nothing Yeah I get she's not everyone cup of tea. But Jesus perish the thought that it was Douglas dross running the country "They're all as bad as each other | |||
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"Be interesting to see what happens now with her obsession with Indy Ref 2. Hopefully nothing Yeah I get she's not everyone cup of tea. But Jesus perish the thought that it was Douglas dross running the country
They're all as bad as each other "Have faith in wee Nicola KK , come and join us on the road to Freedom | |||
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" Have faith in wee Nicola KK , come and join us on the road to Freedom "Almost expected a third K there! 
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" Have faith in wee Nicola KK , come and join us on the road to Freedom
Almost expected a third K there!
Road to hell.."all the complaints about bojo yet for some inconceivable reason to me folk want to place trust in big sis comrade krankie. Must remember to ask permission to wipe my arse. | |||
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"Be interesting to see what happens now with her obsession with Indy Ref 2. Hopefully nothing Yeah I get she's not everyone cup of tea. But Jesus perish the thought that it was Douglas dross running the country
They're all as bad as each other "This. Do not trust any of them to run a fucking bath never mind a country. | |||
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They're all as bad as each other Have faith in wee Nicola KK , come and join us on the road to Freedom "Never! | |||
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"Be interesting to see what happens now with her obsession with Indy Ref 2. Hopefully nothing Yeah I get she's not everyone cup of tea. But Jesus perish the thought that it was Douglas dross running the country
They're all as bad as each other "I totally agree. I don't like any political or political party as they are all lying parasites. As for nicola and Blackford these people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones they are all corrupt and liars. Snp have failed in a lot of things and I know they will blame Westminster for their failings but I don't vote for anyone as I hate them all | |||
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"They said she wouldn't last.Well if im not wrong she's just seen off her third prime minister "Love her.....she's picked the referendum at the perfect timing....hopefully not all is forgotten by next year | |||
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"I don't believe any of the politicians from whichever side actually give a toss about doing the job the way it's supposed to be done. It's all about career and power and status and feeding us any old bullshit they think we'll swallow, it's blatantly obvious and apparent in recent times that they dont even care that we know it. It's time for pitchforks and flaming torches and to remind them just how revolting the peasants can be if provoked enough. Rips ma knitting so it does and they've got us all fighting each other insread of holding them to account "have said this since my teens this country needs an anarchy period the whole system needs overhauled. I trust no politician from any party for each and everyone of them its climb the ladder for a bigger cash and power grab. They have no interest in governing the countries policies | |||
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"Look up "Glasgow cabbie" on the book of faces and you'll see some eye opening info on sturg!" Social Media for all the accurate… information. Not saying it’s not true, just need a more reliable source | |||
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"Exactly this Independence chat is just a giant smokescreen to hide the abject failure the snp are in Scotland. But Westminster and the Torys Freedom Do the day job and folk might take them seriously. "  exactly this. We are not far off being a 3rd world country pretending to be a first world one. When we have no food banks and no need for charity's then we can talk about being independent. | |||
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"Do the people saying "get on with the day job" not realise that thw SNP's entire raison d`etre is an independent Scotland? Its literally why they exist and pursuing that is their day job. They've been consistently voted into power in Scotland because of that. Are these the same people that like to identify themselves as the stupidest person in the room by saying "its too cold to snow"? " People in Scotland voted to remain and that was the decision of the people. I voted to leave but accept the decision of the majority and now we need to get on with it. As for them being voted into power constantly, that's only because there is no alternative. You either vote for them or not not at all. Yes every country has the right to be independent so why leave and join the EU to be governed by someone else. They (SNP) need to answer many questions before I will vote yes again, like how are we going to pay for it all if we leave, there last campaign it was oil, gas, whiskey and tourism. We dont own the oil fields, trump taxed whiskey imports and covid fucked tourism......we dodged the bankruptcy bullet on that one by remaining. | |||
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"In principle agree with independence and genuine democratic decisions. BUT if Brexit has showed us anything any vote needs a fully developed plan with detail and transparency. Brexit was full of lies not backed by facts just guess work. Both sides need to start laying out detailed plans for public scrutiny only then should a referendum be offered" | |||
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"In principle agree with independence and genuine democratic decisions. BUT if Brexit has showed us anything any vote needs a fully developed plan with detail and transparency. Brexit was full of lies not backed by facts just guess work. Both sides need to start laying out detailed plans for public scrutiny only then should a referendum be offered" I agree... | |||
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" People in Scotland voted to remain and that was the decision of the people. I voted to leave but accept the decision of the majority and now we need to get on with it. As for them being voted into power constantly, that's only because there is no alternative. You either vote for them or not not at all. Yes every country has the right to be independent so why leave and join the EU to be governed by someone else. They (SNP) need to answer many questions before I will vote yes again, like how are we going to pay for it all if we leave, there last campaign it was oil, gas, whiskey and tourism. We dont own the oil fields, trump taxed whiskey imports and covid fucked tourism......we dodged the bankruptcy bullet on that one by remaining. " People vote one way or another over time. Circumstances and opinions change and democracy is never finished. The SNP received a larger number of votes in 2019 than in the previous GE. If people were only voting out of apathy then the overall votes cast would be reduced across the board, but more people have voted for them at the last opportunity than ever before. EU membership is the position if the SNP, but a vote for independence isn't a vote for them or their proposed future policies. Peddling the idea that independence = an SNP government or rejoining the EU by default means you either don't understand that at best, or are deliberately trying to mislead people at worst. Only you know which is true. How does any other country in the world pay for things? Taxation and borrowing power. Right now every single penny you spend, either on a pint of milk, petrol, clothes, absolutely everything is taxed by Westminster and traded on a stock exchange in another country. We get back less than we raise as a country and have no borrowing power. We also get saddled with the burden of paying interest on money borrowed to pay for things that have no benefit to Scotland (HS2, London underground, Westminster refurbishments etc.). The same is true for macro economic policies like oil and gas. Scotland doesn't see the benefit of its own natural resources like any other country in the world does. Hundreds of countries thrive without the added bonus of O&G, whisky, massive offshore potential. Every single one of the is a bonus Scotland should have over them, but currently we don't because of the union. | |||
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" People in Scotland voted to remain and that was the decision of the people. I voted to leave but accept the decision of the majority and now we need to get on with it. As for them being voted into power constantly, that's only because there is no alternative. You either vote for them or not not at all. Yes every country has the right to be independent so why leave and join the EU to be governed by someone else. They (SNP) need to answer many questions before I will vote yes again, like how are we going to pay for it all if we leave, there last campaign it was oil, gas, whiskey and tourism. We dont own the oil fields, trump taxed whiskey imports and covid fucked tourism......we dodged the bankruptcy bullet on that one by remaining. People vote one way or another over time. Circumstances and opinions change and democracy is never finished. The SNP received a larger number of votes in 2019 than in the previous GE. If people were only voting out of apathy then the overall votes cast would be reduced across the board, but more people have voted for them at the last opportunity than ever before. EU membership is the position if the SNP, but a vote for independence isn't a vote for them or their proposed future policies. Peddling the idea that independence = an SNP government or rejoining the EU by default means you either don't understand that at best, or are deliberately trying to mislead people at worst. Only you know which is true. How does any other country in the world pay for things? Taxation and borrowing power. Right now every single penny you spend, either on a pint of milk, petrol, clothes, absolutely everything is taxed by Westminster and traded on a stock exchange in another country. We get back less than we raise as a country and have no borrowing power. We also get saddled with the burden of paying interest on money borrowed to pay for things that have no benefit to Scotland (HS2, London underground, Westminster refurbishments etc.). The same is true for macro economic policies like oil and gas. Scotland doesn't see the benefit of its own natural resources like any other country in the world does. Hundreds of countries thrive without the added bonus of O&G, whisky, massive offshore potential. Every single one of the is a bonus Scotland should have over them, but currently we don't because of the union. " | |||
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" People in Scotland voted to remain and that was the decision of the people. I voted to leave but accept the decision of the majority and now we need to get on with it. As for them being voted into power constantly, that's only because there is no alternative. You either vote for them or not not at all. Yes every country has the right to be independent so why leave and join the EU to be governed by someone else. They (SNP) need to answer many questions before I will vote yes again, like how are we going to pay for it all if we leave, there last campaign it was oil, gas, whiskey and tourism. We dont own the oil fields, trump taxed whiskey imports and covid fucked tourism......we dodged the bankruptcy bullet on that one by remaining. People vote one way or another over time. Circumstances and opinions change and democracy is never finished. The SNP received a larger number of votes in 2019 than in the previous GE. If people were only voting out of apathy then the overall votes cast would be reduced across the board, but more people have voted for them at the last opportunity than ever before. EU membership is the position if the SNP, but a vote for independence isn't a vote for them or their proposed future policies. Peddling the idea that independence = an SNP government or rejoining the EU by default means you either don't understand that at best, or are deliberately trying to mislead people at worst. Only you know which is true. How does any other country in the world pay for things? Taxation and borrowing power. Right now every single penny you spend, either on a pint of milk, petrol, clothes, absolutely everything is taxed by Westminster and traded on a stock exchange in another country. We get back less than we raise as a country and have no borrowing power. We also get saddled with the burden of paying interest on money borrowed to pay for things that have no benefit to Scotland (HS2, London underground, Westminster refurbishments etc.). The same is true for macro economic policies like oil and gas. Scotland doesn't see the benefit of its own natural resources like any other country in the world does. Hundreds of countries thrive without the added bonus of O&G, whisky, massive offshore potential. Every single one of the is a bonus Scotland should have over them, but currently we don't because of the union. " cmon even you can't believe whats written here lol we get monies through taxation then gamble it knowing we get less from doing so. won't even start on the rest of your comment. Great line from a song goes along the lines of... they create division to keep us fighting amoungst ourselves because they know if we ever united they would be gone. | |||
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" People in Scotland voted to remain and that was the decision of the people. I voted to leave but accept the decision of the majority and now we need to get on with it. As for them being voted into power constantly, that's only because there is no alternative. You either vote for them or not not at all. Yes every country has the right to be independent so why leave and join the EU to be governed by someone else. They (SNP) need to answer many questions before I will vote yes again, like how are we going to pay for it all if we leave, there last campaign it was oil, gas, whiskey and tourism. We dont own the oil fields, trump taxed whiskey imports and covid fucked tourism......we dodged the bankruptcy bullet on that one by remaining. People vote one way or another over time. Circumstances and opinions change and democracy is never finished. The SNP received a larger number of votes in 2019 than in the previous GE. If people were only voting out of apathy then the overall votes cast would be reduced across the board, but more people have voted for them at the last opportunity than ever before. EU membership is the position if the SNP, but a vote for independence isn't a vote for them or their proposed future policies. Peddling the idea that independence = an SNP government or rejoining the EU by default means you either don't understand that at best, or are deliberately trying to mislead people at worst. Only you know which is true. How does any other country in the world pay for things? Taxation and borrowing power. Right now every single penny you spend, either on a pint of milk, petrol, clothes, absolutely everything is taxed by Westminster and traded on a stock exchange in another country. We get back less than we raise as a country and have no borrowing power. We also get saddled with the burden of paying interest on money borrowed to pay for things that have no benefit to Scotland (HS2, London underground, Westminster refurbishments etc.). The same is true for macro economic policies like oil and gas. Scotland doesn't see the benefit of its own natural resources like any other country in the world does. Hundreds of countries thrive without the added bonus of O&G, whisky, massive offshore potential. Every single one of the is a bonus Scotland should have over them, but currently we don't because of the union. cmon even you can't believe whats written here lol we get monies through taxation then gamble it knowing we get less from doing so. won't even start on the rest of your comment. Great line from a song goes along the lines of... they create division to keep us fighting amoungst ourselves because they know if we ever united they would be gone." This is by no means an exact analogy, but its a rough idea of the current situation; Let's say you made £100 per week. 70% gets paid into your neighbours bank account and he gives you back half of that. So now you've got £65 to survive for the week even thought you earned £100. You set up a wee side gig selling homemade jam, but the only place to sell it is the shop your neighbour owns. He sets the price and takes a commission on every jar you sell. Every week he sends you the bill for your share of his credit card (youre not allowed one). He hasn't bought anything thats of benefit to you and you don't get a say on what he buys next week. This is all happening because 300 years ago yours and his ancestors signed a contract. You could dissolve the contract and keep %100 of your wages. Sell the jam in your own shop and keep every penny, and get your own credit card to improve your own spending power. Thats how every single other country in the world operates. Most of them don't have the fruit to make their own jam and they get by just fine. Why is it you think Scotland wouldn't be able to do the same? | |||
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" People in Scotland voted to remain and that was the decision of the people. I voted to leave but accept the decision of the majority and now we need to get on with it. As for them being voted into power constantly, that's only because there is no alternative. You either vote for them or not not at all. Yes every country has the right to be independent so why leave and join the EU to be governed by someone else. They (SNP) need to answer many questions before I will vote yes again, like how are we going to pay for it all if we leave, there last campaign it was oil, gas, whiskey and tourism. We dont own the oil fields, trump taxed whiskey imports and covid fucked tourism......we dodged the bankruptcy bullet on that one by remaining. People vote one way or another over time. Circumstances and opinions change and democracy is never finished. The SNP received a larger number of votes in 2019 than in the previous GE. If people were only voting out of apathy then the overall votes cast would be reduced across the board, but more people have voted for them at the last opportunity than ever before. EU membership is the position if the SNP, but a vote for independence isn't a vote for them or their proposed future policies. Peddling the idea that independence = an SNP government or rejoining the EU by default means you either don't understand that at best, or are deliberately trying to mislead people at worst. Only you know which is true. How does any other country in the world pay for things? Taxation and borrowing power. Right now every single penny you spend, either on a pint of milk, petrol, clothes, absolutely everything is taxed by Westminster and traded on a stock exchange in another country. We get back less than we raise as a country and have no borrowing power. We also get saddled with the burden of paying interest on money borrowed to pay for things that have no benefit to Scotland (HS2, London underground, Westminster refurbishments etc.). The same is true for macro economic policies like oil and gas. Scotland doesn't see the benefit of its own natural resources like any other country in the world does. Hundreds of countries thrive without the added bonus of O&G, whisky, massive offshore potential. Every single one of the is a bonus Scotland should have over them, but currently we don't because of the union. cmon even you can't believe whats written here lol we get monies through taxation then gamble it knowing we get less from doing so. won't even start on the rest of your comment. Great line from a song goes along the lines of... they create division to keep us fighting amoungst ourselves because they know if we ever united they would be gone. This is by no means an exact analogy, but its a rough idea of the current situation; Let's say you made £100 per week. 70% gets paid into your neighbours bank account and he gives you back half of that. So now you've got £65 to survive for the week even thought you earned £100. You set up a wee side gig selling homemade jam, but the only place to sell it is the shop your neighbour owns. He sets the price and takes a commission on every jar you sell. Every week he sends you the bill for your share of his credit card (youre not allowed one). He hasn't bought anything thats of benefit to you and you don't get a say on what he buys next week. This is all happening because 300 years ago yours and his ancestors signed a contract. You could dissolve the contract and keep %100 of your wages. Sell the jam in your own shop and keep every penny, and get your own credit card to improve your own spending power. Thats how every single other country in the world operates. Most of them don't have the fruit to make their own jam and they get by just fine. Why is it you think Scotland wouldn't be able to do the same? " Totally get it and agree....but we don't have any jam to sell so the majority of our income is internal through tax. We need a USP like Monaco to attract investors. Our education system is broken, our public services are broken and 7 million people in the UK on nhs wait lists. Indiref2 isn't what we need at this time | |||
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" People in Scotland voted to remain and that was the decision of the people. I voted to leave but accept the decision of the majority and now we need to get on with it. As for them being voted into power constantly, that's only because there is no alternative. You either vote for them or not not at all. Yes every country has the right to be independent so why leave and join the EU to be governed by someone else. They (SNP) need to answer many questions before I will vote yes again, like how are we going to pay for it all if we leave, there last campaign it was oil, gas, whiskey and tourism. We dont own the oil fields, trump taxed whiskey imports and covid fucked tourism......we dodged the bankruptcy bullet on that one by remaining. People vote one way or another over time. Circumstances and opinions change and democracy is never finished. The SNP received a larger number of votes in 2019 than in the previous GE. If people were only voting out of apathy then the overall votes cast would be reduced across the board, but more people have voted for them at the last opportunity than ever before. EU membership is the position if the SNP, but a vote for independence isn't a vote for them or their proposed future policies. Peddling the idea that independence = an SNP government or rejoining the EU by default means you either don't understand that at best, or are deliberately trying to mislead people at worst. Only you know which is true. How does any other country in the world pay for things? Taxation and borrowing power. Right now every single penny you spend, either on a pint of milk, petrol, clothes, absolutely everything is taxed by Westminster and traded on a stock exchange in another country. We get back less than we raise as a country and have no borrowing power. We also get saddled with the burden of paying interest on money borrowed to pay for things that have no benefit to Scotland (HS2, London underground, Westminster refurbishments etc.). The same is true for macro economic policies like oil and gas. Scotland doesn't see the benefit of its own natural resources like any other country in the world does. Hundreds of countries thrive without the added bonus of O&G, whisky, massive offshore potential. Every single one of the is a bonus Scotland should have over them, but currently we don't because of the union. Eloquently written but im afraid inaccurate. Have you heard of Barnett formula?. Scotland gets back per head more than it contributes. The SNP just waste it on terrible policies like free school meals for all kids. Including those of the wealthiest in our country. Rather than directing the money to the poorest families. Without the UK we would have collapsed during covid..no way we could have sustained a furlough scheme and many of us may have been out of a job by now. As for EU..who says we have any chance.of rejoining anytime soon if independent. We fail on many of the criteria just now. The idea that as soon as we go Independent people would vote for another party is for the birds. These parties do not want independence..so staunch YES voters are hardly going to vote for them post a YES result. So it will be SNP for the forseeable..a prospect that should have us all worried given their abysmal record at running the country " | |||
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" People in Scotland voted to remain and that was the decision of the people. I voted to leave but accept the decision of the majority and now we need to get on with it. As for them being voted into power constantly, that's only because there is no alternative. You either vote for them or not not at all. Yes every country has the right to be independent so why leave and join the EU to be governed by someone else. They (SNP) need to answer many questions before I will vote yes again, like how are we going to pay for it all if we leave, there last campaign it was oil, gas, whiskey and tourism. We dont own the oil fields, trump taxed whiskey imports and covid fucked tourism......we dodged the bankruptcy bullet on that one by remaining. People vote one way or another over time. Circumstances and opinions change and democracy is never finished. The SNP received a larger number of votes in 2019 than in the previous GE. If people were only voting out of apathy then the overall votes cast would be reduced across the board, but more people have voted for them at the last opportunity than ever before. EU membership is the position if the SNP, but a vote for independence isn't a vote for them or their proposed future policies. Peddling the idea that independence = an SNP government or rejoining the EU by default means you either don't understand that at best, or are deliberately trying to mislead people at worst. Only you know which is true. How does any other country in the world pay for things? Taxation and borrowing power. Right now every single penny you spend, either on a pint of milk, petrol, clothes, absolutely everything is taxed by Westminster and traded on a stock exchange in another country. We get back less than we raise as a country and have no borrowing power. We also get saddled with the burden of paying interest on money borrowed to pay for things that have no benefit to Scotland (HS2, London underground, Westminster refurbishments etc.). The same is true for macro economic policies like oil and gas. Scotland doesn't see the benefit of its own natural resources like any other country in the world does. Hundreds of countries thrive without the added bonus of O&G, whisky, massive offshore potential. Every single one of the is a bonus Scotland should have over them, but currently we don't because of the union. cmon even you can't believe whats written here lol we get monies through taxation then gamble it knowing we get less from doing so. won't even start on the rest of your comment. Great line from a song goes along the lines of... they create division to keep us fighting amoungst ourselves because they know if we ever united they would be gone. This is by no means an exact analogy, but its a rough idea of the current situation; Let's say you made £100 per week. 70% gets paid into your neighbours bank account and he gives you back half of that. So now you've got £65 to survive for the week even thought you earned £100. You set up a wee side gig selling homemade jam, but the only place to sell it is the shop your neighbour owns. He sets the price and takes a commission on every jar you sell. Every week he sends you the bill for your share of his credit card (youre not allowed one). He hasn't bought anything thats of benefit to you and you don't get a say on what he buys next week. This is all happening because 300 years ago yours and his ancestors signed a contract. You could dissolve the contract and keep %100 of your wages. Sell the jam in your own shop and keep every penny, and get your own credit card to improve your own spending power. Thats how every single other country in the world operates. Most of them don't have the fruit to make their own jam and they get by just fine. Why is it you think Scotland wouldn't be able to do the same? Totally get it and agree....but we don't have any jam to sell so the majority of our income is internal through tax. We need a USP like Monaco to attract investors. Our education system is broken, our public services are broken and 7 million people in the UK on nhs wait lists. Indiref2 isn't what we need at this time " We have more to sell than most. Largest oil reserves in Europe. (£20 billion in 2021, all traded and taxed in another country), and before you spout an oft repeated falicy, its not done. Higest potential offshore generation in Europe. Whisky is the largest F&B export in the entire UK. Whisky exports totalled more than spots 2 through 13 combined last year. Worth £4.8 billion last year. Theres are plenty other things. One of the fastest growing aerospace industries in the world. 3 of every 10 satellites launched last year were built in Scotland. Thats insane for such a small country. Again, all taking place on another countries stock exchange. Theres are things that no other has that we do abd we don't get any benefit for. If every other country manages to survive without these, then why would having them as well as the normal taxation and borrowing power of an independent country be a bad thing? | |||
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"They said she wouldn't last.Well if im not wrong she's just seen off her third prime minister "Just shows the rest of the UK have the good sense to get rid of their failures but for some reason we choose to keep letting them make a mess of it! | |||
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" Just shows the rest of the UK have the good sense to get rid of their failures but for some reason we choose to keep letting them make a mess of it!" You realise not a single one of those has been as a result of a public vote, right? | |||
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" Just shows the rest of the UK have the good sense to get rid of their failures but for some reason we choose to keep letting them make a mess of it! You realise not a single one of those has been as a result of a public vote, right? " Not directly..but the sway of public annoyance and anger is what tipped the balance to rid them of their post. So de facto was done to appease public opinion | |||
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" Just shows the rest of the UK have the good sense to get rid of their failures but for some reason we choose to keep letting them make a mess of it! You realise not a single one of those has been as a result of a public vote, right? Not directly..but the sway of public annoyance and anger is what tipped the balance to rid them of their post. So de facto was done to appease public opinion" De facto nothing. 3 resignations and continued wins for the conservatives at every GE in that time. Who leads the tories is an interal party issue and not something the public ever get a say in. | |||
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" Just shows the rest of the UK have the good sense to get rid of their failures but for some reason we choose to keep letting them make a mess of it! You realise not a single one of those has been as a result of a public vote, right? Not directly..but the sway of public annoyance and anger is what tipped the balance to rid them of their post. So de facto was done to appease public opinion De facto nothing. 3 resignations and continued wins for the conservatives at every GE in that time. Who leads the tories is an interal party issue and not something the public ever get a say in. " That proves my point. 3 wins in a row because they knew had they not made those changes..e.g. kept Boris..then would not win next GE. So public opinion indirectly drove the decisions to replace the leaders. Whereas we just keep voting for the same failing party and leader unfortunately. Although now she cant use Boris as reason to get out of UK..will need to find a new angle. Interesting times. | |||
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" Just shows the rest of the UK have the good sense to get rid of their failures but for some reason we choose to keep letting them make a mess of it! You realise not a single one of those has been as a result of a public vote, right? Not directly..but the sway of public annoyance and anger is what tipped the balance to rid them of their post. So de facto was done to appease public opinion De facto nothing. 3 resignations and continued wins for the conservatives at every GE in that time. Who leads the tories is an interal party issue and not something the public ever get a say in. That proves my point. 3 wins in a row because they knew had they not made those changes..e.g. kept Boris..then would not win next GE. So public opinion indirectly drove the decisions to replace the leaders. Whereas we just keep voting for the same failing party and leader unfortunately. Although now she cant use Boris as reason to get out of UK..will need to find a new angle. Interesting times. " Not really tho. Cameron resigned immediately after the brexit vote, something the tory voters and the party are by and large overwhelmingly in favour of. Something Boris had a huge hand in. May had her power undermined from within the party but was still polling highly with wider conservatives at the time. Again Johnson played a huge role in this Johnson brought his downfall on himself and got ousted by the biggest flood of resignations in history. Hes not only the worst thing for the UK, hes the worst thing for the tory party as well. The bigger point here is; Scotland does not vote Conservative. But has had to put up with the entire farce, as well as may, and Cameron and Brexit as a result of the union. Would you not rather your vote counted for something? | |||
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" Just shows the rest of the UK have the good sense to get rid of their failures but for some reason we choose to keep letting them make a mess of it! You realise not a single one of those has been as a result of a public vote, right? Not directly..but the sway of public annoyance and anger is what tipped the balance to rid them of their post. So de facto was done to appease public opinion De facto nothing. 3 resignations and continued wins for the conservatives at every GE in that time. Who leads the tories is an interal party issue and not something the public ever get a say in. That proves my point. 3 wins in a row because they knew had they not made those changes..e.g. kept Boris..then would not win next GE. So public opinion indirectly drove the decisions to replace the leaders. Whereas we just keep voting for the same failing party and leader unfortunately. Although now she cant use Boris as reason to get out of UK..will need to find a new angle. Interesting times. Not really tho. Cameron resigned immediately after the brexit vote, something the tory voters and the party are by and large overwhelmingly in favour of. Something Boris had a huge hand in. May had her power undermined from within the party but was still polling highly with wider conservatives at the time. Again Johnson played a huge role in this Johnson brought his downfall on himself and got ousted by the biggest flood of resignations in history. Hes not only the worst thing for the UK, hes the worst thing for the tory party as well. The bigger point here is; Scotland does not vote Conservative. But has had to put up with the entire farce, as well as may, and Cameron and Brexit as a result of the union. Would you not rather your vote counted for something? " It doesnt..ive never voted SNP and yet have to put up with them every year! | |||
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" Just shows the rest of the UK have the good sense to get rid of their failures but for some reason we choose to keep letting them make a mess of it! You realise not a single one of those has been as a result of a public vote, right? Not directly..but the sway of public annoyance and anger is what tipped the balance to rid them of their post. So de facto was done to appease public opinion De facto nothing. 3 resignations and continued wins for the conservatives at every GE in that time. Who leads the tories is an interal party issue and not something the public ever get a say in. That proves my point. 3 wins in a row because they knew had they not made those changes..e.g. kept Boris..then would not win next GE. So public opinion indirectly drove the decisions to replace the leaders. Whereas we just keep voting for the same failing party and leader unfortunately. Although now she cant use Boris as reason to get out of UK..will need to find a new angle. Interesting times. Not really tho. Cameron resigned immediately after the brexit vote, something the tory voters and the party are by and large overwhelmingly in favour of. Something Boris had a huge hand in. May had her power undermined from within the party but was still polling highly with wider conservatives at the time. Again Johnson played a huge role in this Johnson brought his downfall on himself and got ousted by the biggest flood of resignations in history. Hes not only the worst thing for the UK, hes the worst thing for the tory party as well. The bigger point here is; Scotland does not vote Conservative. But has had to put up with the entire farce, as well as may, and Cameron and Brexit as a result of the union. Would you not rather your vote counted for something? It doesnt..ive never voted SNP and yet have to put up with them every year!" Because that's how democracy works. At the moment we're in union with 3 other countries whos needs and wants differ from our own, and the largest of the 4's population means we will never be represented by government we vote for, with the power to actually run a country. | |||
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" People in Scotland voted to remain and that was the decision of the people. I voted to leave but accept the decision of the majority and now we need to get on with it. As for them being voted into power constantly, that's only because there is no alternative. You either vote for them or not not at all. Yes every country has the right to be independent so why leave and join the EU to be governed by someone else. They (SNP) need to answer many questions before I will vote yes again, like how are we going to pay for it all if we leave, there last campaign it was oil, gas, whiskey and tourism. We dont own the oil fields, trump taxed whiskey imports and covid fucked tourism......we dodged the bankruptcy bullet on that one by remaining. People vote one way or another over time. Circumstances and opinions change and democracy is never finished. The SNP received a larger number of votes in 2019 than in the previous GE. If people were only voting out of apathy then the overall votes cast would be reduced across the board, but more people have voted for them at the last opportunity than ever before. EU membership is the position if the SNP, but a vote for independence isn't a vote for them or their proposed future policies. Peddling the idea that independence = an SNP government or rejoining the EU by default means you either don't understand that at best, or are deliberately trying to mislead people at worst. Only you know which is true. How does any other country in the world pay for things? Taxation and borrowing power. Right now every single penny you spend, either on a pint of milk, petrol, clothes, absolutely everything is taxed by Westminster and traded on a stock exchange in another country. We get back less than we raise as a country and have no borrowing power. We also get saddled with the burden of paying interest on money borrowed to pay for things that have no benefit to Scotland (HS2, London underground, Westminster refurbishments etc.). The same is true for macro economic policies like oil and gas. Scotland doesn't see the benefit of its own natural resources like any other country in the world does. Hundreds of countries thrive without the added bonus of O&G, whisky, massive offshore potential. Every single one of the is a bonus Scotland should have over them, but currently we don't because of the union. cmon even you can't believe whats written here lol we get monies through taxation then gamble it knowing we get less from doing so. won't even start on the rest of your comment. Great line from a song goes along the lines of... they create division to keep us fighting amoungst ourselves because they know if we ever united they would be gone. This is by no means an exact analogy, but its a rough idea of the current situation; Let's say you made £100 per week. 70% gets paid into your neighbours bank account and he gives you back half of that. So now you've got £65 to survive for the week even thought you earned £100. You set up a wee side gig selling homemade jam, but the only place to sell it is the shop your neighbour owns. He sets the price and takes a commission on every jar you sell. Every week he sends you the bill for your share of his credit card (youre not allowed one). He hasn't bought anything thats of benefit to you and you don't get a say on what he buys next week. This is all happening because 300 years ago yours and his ancestors signed a contract. You could dissolve the contract and keep %100 of your wages. Sell the jam in your own shop and keep every penny, and get your own credit card to improve your own spending power. Thats how every single other country in the world operates. Most of them don't have the fruit to make their own jam and they get by just fine. Why is it you think Scotland wouldn't be able to do the same? " I know exactly how it works and its not as your alluding to | |||
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" People in Scotland voted to remain and that was the decision of the people. I voted to leave but accept the decision of the majority and now we need to get on with it. As for them being voted into power constantly, that's only because there is no alternative. You either vote for them or not not at all. Yes every country has the right to be independent so why leave and join the EU to be governed by someone else. They (SNP) need to answer many questions before I will vote yes again, like how are we going to pay for it all if we leave, there last campaign it was oil, gas, whiskey and tourism. We dont own the oil fields, trump taxed whiskey imports and covid fucked tourism......we dodged the bankruptcy bullet on that one by remaining. People vote one way or another over time. Circumstances and opinions change and democracy is never finished. The SNP received a larger number of votes in 2019 than in the previous GE. If people were only voting out of apathy then the overall votes cast would be reduced across the board, but more people have voted for them at the last opportunity than ever before. EU membership is the position if the SNP, but a vote for independence isn't a vote for them or their proposed future policies. Peddling the idea that independence = an SNP government or rejoining the EU by default means you either don't understand that at best, or are deliberately trying to mislead people at worst. Only you know which is true. How does any other country in the world pay for things? Taxation and borrowing power. Right now every single penny you spend, either on a pint of milk, petrol, clothes, absolutely everything is taxed by Westminster and traded on a stock exchange in another country. We get back less than we raise as a country and have no borrowing power. We also get saddled with the burden of paying interest on money borrowed to pay for things that have no benefit to Scotland (HS2, London underground, Westminster refurbishments etc.). The same is true for macro economic policies like oil and gas. Scotland doesn't see the benefit of its own natural resources like any other country in the world does. Hundreds of countries thrive without the added bonus of O&G, whisky, massive offshore potential. Every single one of the is a bonus Scotland should have over them, but currently we don't because of the union. cmon even you can't believe whats written here lol we get monies through taxation then gamble it knowing we get less from doing so. won't even start on the rest of your comment. Great line from a song goes along the lines of... they create division to keep us fighting amoungst ourselves because they know if we ever united they would be gone. This is by no means an exact analogy, but its a rough idea of the current situation; Let's say you made £100 per week. 70% gets paid into your neighbours bank account and he gives you back half of that. So now you've got £65 to survive for the week even thought you earned £100. You set up a wee side gig selling homemade jam, but the only place to sell it is the shop your neighbour owns. He sets the price and takes a commission on every jar you sell. Every week he sends you the bill for your share of his credit card (youre not allowed one). He hasn't bought anything thats of benefit to you and you don't get a say on what he buys next week. This is all happening because 300 years ago yours and his ancestors signed a contract. You could dissolve the contract and keep %100 of your wages. Sell the jam in your own shop and keep every penny, and get your own credit card to improve your own spending power. Thats how every single other country in the world operates. Most of them don't have the fruit to make their own jam and they get by just fine. Why is it you think Scotland wouldn't be able to do the same? I know exactly how it works and its not as your alluding to " If you've a better analogy for the current state of affairs then I'd be glad to hear it. I know the one I've given isn't exact, but as a basic outline the principles are spot on. | |||
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" People in Scotland voted to remain and that was the decision of the people. I voted to leave but accept the decision of the majority and now we need to get on with it. As for them being voted into power constantly, that's only because there is no alternative. You either vote for them or not not at all. Yes every country has the right to be independent so why leave and join the EU to be governed by someone else. They (SNP) need to answer many questions before I will vote yes again, like how are we going to pay for it all if we leave, there last campaign it was oil, gas, whiskey and tourism. We dont own the oil fields, trump taxed whiskey imports and covid fucked tourism......we dodged the bankruptcy bullet on that one by remaining. People vote one way or another over time. Circumstances and opinions change and democracy is never finished. The SNP received a larger number of votes in 2019 than in the previous GE. If people were only voting out of apathy then the overall votes cast would be reduced across the board, but more people have voted for them at the last opportunity than ever before. EU membership is the position if the SNP, but a vote for independence isn't a vote for them or their proposed future policies. Peddling the idea that independence = an SNP government or rejoining the EU by default means you either don't understand that at best, or are deliberately trying to mislead people at worst. Only you know which is true. How does any other country in the world pay for things? Taxation and borrowing power. Right now every single penny you spend, either on a pint of milk, petrol, clothes, absolutely everything is taxed by Westminster and traded on a stock exchange in another country. We get back less than we raise as a country and have no borrowing power. We also get saddled with the burden of paying interest on money borrowed to pay for things that have no benefit to Scotland (HS2, London underground, Westminster refurbishments etc.). The same is true for macro economic policies like oil and gas. Scotland doesn't see the benefit of its own natural resources like any other country in the world does. Hundreds of countries thrive without the added bonus of O&G, whisky, massive offshore potential. Every single one of the is a bonus Scotland should have over them, but currently we don't because of the union. cmon even you can't believe whats written here lol we get monies through taxation then gamble it knowing we get less from doing so. won't even start on the rest of your comment. Great line from a song goes along the lines of... they create division to keep us fighting amoungst ourselves because they know if we ever united they would be gone. This is by no means an exact analogy, but its a rough idea of the current situation; Let's say you made £100 per week. 70% gets paid into your neighbours bank account and he gives you back half of that. So now you've got £65 to survive for the week even thought you earned £100. You set up a wee side gig selling homemade jam, but the only place to sell it is the shop your neighbour owns. He sets the price and takes a commission on every jar you sell. Every week he sends you the bill for your share of his credit card (youre not allowed one). He hasn't bought anything thats of benefit to you and you don't get a say on what he buys next week. This is all happening because 300 years ago yours and his ancestors signed a contract. You could dissolve the contract and keep %100 of your wages. Sell the jam in your own shop and keep every penny, and get your own credit card to improve your own spending power. Thats how every single other country in the world operates. Most of them don't have the fruit to make their own jam and they get by just fine. Why is it you think Scotland wouldn't be able to do the same? I know exactly how it works and its not as your alluding to If you've a better analogy for the current state of affairs then I'd be glad to hear it. I know the one I've given isn't exact, but as a basic outline the principles are spot on. " therin lies the problem its not basic and attempting to make a basic analogy of it will always be way off the mark. I'd disagree with in principle its correct as there are many many "houses" let, sub let, legally sub let, illegal here but legally elsewhere let, rented mortgaged,loaned,sold, help for a period before all the above again thats without starting on "jam". Preserves tinned. Jarred, pickled, brined ,frozen lol | |||
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" People in Scotland voted to remain and that was the decision of the people. I voted to leave but accept the decision of the majority and now we need to get on with it. As for them being voted into power constantly, that's only because there is no alternative. You either vote for them or not not at all. Yes every country has the right to be independent so why leave and join the EU to be governed by someone else. They (SNP) need to answer many questions before I will vote yes again, like how are we going to pay for it all if we leave, there last campaign it was oil, gas, whiskey and tourism. We dont own the oil fields, trump taxed whiskey imports and covid fucked tourism......we dodged the bankruptcy bullet on that one by remaining. People vote one way or another over time. Circumstances and opinions change and democracy is never finished. The SNP received a larger number of votes in 2019 than in the previous GE. If people were only voting out of apathy then the overall votes cast would be reduced across the board, but more people have voted for them at the last opportunity than ever before. EU membership is the position if the SNP, but a vote for independence isn't a vote for them or their proposed future policies. Peddling the idea that independence = an SNP government or rejoining the EU by default means you either don't understand that at best, or are deliberately trying to mislead people at worst. Only you know which is true. How does any other country in the world pay for things? Taxation and borrowing power. Right now every single penny you spend, either on a pint of milk, petrol, clothes, absolutely everything is taxed by Westminster and traded on a stock exchange in another country. We get back less than we raise as a country and have no borrowing power. We also get saddled with the burden of paying interest on money borrowed to pay for things that have no benefit to Scotland (HS2, London underground, Westminster refurbishments etc.). The same is true for macro economic policies like oil and gas. Scotland doesn't see the benefit of its own natural resources like any other country in the world does. Hundreds of countries thrive without the added bonus of O&G, whisky, massive offshore potential. Every single one of the is a bonus Scotland should have over them, but currently we don't because of the union. cmon even you can't believe whats written here lol we get monies through taxation then gamble it knowing we get less from doing so. won't even start on the rest of your comment. Great line from a song goes along the lines of... they create division to keep us fighting amoungst ourselves because they know if we ever united they would be gone. This is by no means an exact analogy, but its a rough idea of the current situation; Let's say you made £100 per week. 70% gets paid into your neighbours bank account and he gives you back half of that. So now you've got £65 to survive for the week even thought you earned £100. You set up a wee side gig selling homemade jam, but the only place to sell it is the shop your neighbour owns. He sets the price and takes a commission on every jar you sell. Every week he sends you the bill for your share of his credit card (youre not allowed one). He hasn't bought anything thats of benefit to you and you don't get a say on what he buys next week. This is all happening because 300 years ago yours and his ancestors signed a contract. You could dissolve the contract and keep %100 of your wages. Sell the jam in your own shop and keep every penny, and get your own credit card to improve your own spending power. Thats how every single other country in the world operates. Most of them don't have the fruit to make their own jam and they get by just fine. Why is it you think Scotland wouldn't be able to do the same? I know exactly how it works and its not as your alluding to If you've a better analogy for the current state of affairs then I'd be glad to hear it. I know the one I've given isn't exact, but as a basic outline the principles are spot on. therin lies the problem its not basic and attempting to make a basic analogy of it will always be way off the mark. I'd disagree with in principle its correct as there are many many "houses" let, sub let, legally sub let, illegal here but legally elsewhere let, rented mortgaged,loaned,sold, help for a period before all the above again thats without starting on "jam". Preserves tinned. Jarred, pickled, brined ,frozen lol " Thats exactly why its an analogy...you understand were not talking about literal houses and jams right? Just give me one specific part of it you think doesn't scan? | |||
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" People in Scotland voted to remain and that was the decision of the people. I voted to leave but accept the decision of the majority and now we need to get on with it. As for them being voted into power constantly, that's only because there is no alternative. You either vote for them or not not at all. Yes every country has the right to be independent so why leave and join the EU to be governed by someone else. They (SNP) need to answer many questions before I will vote yes again, like how are we going to pay for it all if we leave, there last campaign it was oil, gas, whiskey and tourism. We dont own the oil fields, trump taxed whiskey imports and covid fucked tourism......we dodged the bankruptcy bullet on that one by remaining. People vote one way or another over time. Circumstances and opinions change and democracy is never finished. The SNP received a larger number of votes in 2019 than in the previous GE. If people were only voting out of apathy then the overall votes cast would be reduced across the board, but more people have voted for them at the last opportunity than ever before. EU membership is the position if the SNP, but a vote for independence isn't a vote for them or their proposed future policies. Peddling the idea that independence = an SNP government or rejoining the EU by default means you either don't understand that at best, or are deliberately trying to mislead people at worst. Only you know which is true. How does any other country in the world pay for things? Taxation and borrowing power. Right now every single penny you spend, either on a pint of milk, petrol, clothes, absolutely everything is taxed by Westminster and traded on a stock exchange in another country. We get back less than we raise as a country and have no borrowing power. We also get saddled with the burden of paying interest on money borrowed to pay for things that have no benefit to Scotland (HS2, London underground, Westminster refurbishments etc.). The same is true for macro economic policies like oil and gas. Scotland doesn't see the benefit of its own natural resources like any other country in the world does. Hundreds of countries thrive without the added bonus of O&G, whisky, massive offshore potential. Every single one of the is a bonus Scotland should have over them, but currently we don't because of the union. cmon even you can't believe whats written here lol we get monies through taxation then gamble it knowing we get less from doing so. won't even start on the rest of your comment. Great line from a song goes along the lines of... they create division to keep us fighting amoungst ourselves because they know if we ever united they would be gone. This is by no means an exact analogy, but its a rough idea of the current situation; Let's say you made £100 per week. 70% gets paid into your neighbours bank account and he gives you back half of that. So now you've got £65 to survive for the week even thought you earned £100. You set up a wee side gig selling homemade jam, but the only place to sell it is the shop your neighbour owns. He sets the price and takes a commission on every jar you sell. Every week he sends you the bill for your share of his credit card (youre not allowed one). He hasn't bought anything thats of benefit to you and you don't get a say on what he buys next week. This is all happening because 300 years ago yours and his ancestors signed a contract. You could dissolve the contract and keep %100 of your wages. Sell the jam in your own shop and keep every penny, and get your own credit card to improve your own spending power. Thats how every single other country in the world operates. Most of them don't have the fruit to make their own jam and they get by just fine. Why is it you think Scotland wouldn't be able to do the same? I know exactly how it works and its not as your alluding to If you've a better analogy for the current state of affairs then I'd be glad to hear it. I know the one I've given isn't exact, but as a basic outline the principles are spot on. therin lies the problem its not basic and attempting to make a basic analogy of it will always be way off the mark. I'd disagree with in principle its correct as there are many many "houses" let, sub let, legally sub let, illegal here but legally elsewhere let, rented mortgaged,loaned,sold, help for a period before all the above again thats without starting on "jam". Preserves tinned. Jarred, pickled, brined ,frozen lol " If you can't explain something in the simplest of terms, to the point where someone with no prior knowledge of the subject can understand it, then you yourself don't understand it well enough. Im happy to hear any explanation you have for how the current union system works to Scotland benefit? | |||
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"Run the country….. Cannes even get a ferry built ! Fair comment but notice how SNP supporters skipped this comnent. Quite agree with it though! " Anything I write gets deleted or earns me a ban, but if you do some research, I know, you all prefer to listen to the wee unionist down your local pub, but if you do some proper research, you'll find that the ferries being built in England were an even bigger shambles, I really could go on and on, but its pointless, because while bawjaws and his corrupt elite were illegally laundering billions to their tory pals of your money, you were all crying because Nicola wasn't wearing a mask for 10 seconds when she entered a public place!!! | |||
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"Run the country….. Cannes even get a ferry built ! Fair comment but notice how SNP supporters skipped this comnent. Quite agree with it though! Anything I write gets deleted or earns me a ban, but if you do some research, I know, you all prefer to listen to the wee unionist down your local pub, but if you do some proper research, you'll find that the ferries being built in England were an even bigger shambles, I really could go on and on, but its pointless, because while bawjaws and his corrupt elite were illegally laundering billions to their tory pals of your money, you were all crying because Nicola wasn't wearing a mask for 10 seconds when she entered a public place!!!" Those pesky 'wee unionists down your local pub' how dare they have an opinion You agree about the ferry fiasco then go on to say but 'England's were an even bigger shambles' SNP accountable for nothing, it's either England's fault, tories fault or the 'wee unionist down the pub' | |||
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"Run the country….. Cannes even get a ferry built ! Fair comment but notice how SNP supporters skipped this comnent. Quite agree with it though! Anything I write gets deleted or earns me a ban, but if you do some research, I know, you all prefer to listen to the wee unionist down your local pub, but if you do some proper research, you'll find that the ferries being built in England were an even bigger shambles, I really could go on and on, but its pointless, because while bawjaws and his corrupt elite were illegally laundering billions to their tory pals of your money, you were all crying because Nicola wasn't wearing a mask for 10 seconds when she entered a public place!!! Those pesky 'wee unionists down your local pub' how dare they have an opinion You agree about the ferry fiasco then go on to say but 'England's were an even bigger shambles' SNP accountable for nothing, it's either England's fault, tories fault or the 'wee unionist down the pub' "Great response, another one that prefers to ignore the billions of our money being laundered to tory pals haha OK schools better than England, NHS better than England, we export more than we import, we're one of the few countries that could survive without importing anything, and when independent we'll be one of the richest countries in the world, all facts if you do proper research. Just to save arguments, there was one year the brainwash press spouted English schools were better than Scotland, the true story was, English 15 year olds (only 15 year olds, no other age group) performed better than in Scotland, and all you unionists lapped up the misleading info and thought it was true hahaha | |||
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"Be interesting to see what happens now with her obsession with Indy Ref 2. Hopefully nothing Yeah I get she's not everyone cup of tea. But Jesus perish the thought that it was Douglas dross running the country
They're all as bad as each other Have faith in wee Nicola KK , come and join us on the road to Freedom "A road to nowhere more like! She’s going to take us in to a referendum whether she has permission or not. I thought ‘No’ meant ‘No’ in all situations, obviously not for Nicola though. She’s not setting a good example as a leader! | |||
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"Be interesting to see what happens now with her obsession with Indy Ref 2. Hopefully nothing Yeah I get she's not everyone cup of tea. But Jesus perish the thought that it was Douglas dross running the country
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A road to nowhere more like! She’s going to take us in to a referendum whether she has permission or not. I thought ‘No’ meant ‘No’ in all situations, obviously not for Nicola though. She’s not setting a good example as a leader! "Can you explain why she's respected world wide as a leader and why the snp keep getting a majority vote, even though the Westminster voting formula for Scotland is designed so that no party should win in the fashion the SNP win, at every election. Its OK, you can't explain so no need to reply, have a great day in the sunshine. | |||
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"Run the country….. Cannes even get a ferry built ! Fair comment but notice how SNP supporters skipped this comnent. Quite agree with it though! Anything I write gets deleted or earns me a ban, but if you do some research, I know, you all prefer to listen to the wee unionist down your local pub, but if you do some proper research, you'll find that the ferries being built in England were an even bigger shambles, I really could go on and on, but its pointless, because while bawjaws and his corrupt elite were illegally laundering billions to their tory pals of your money, you were all crying because Nicola wasn't wearing a mask for 10 seconds when she entered a public place!!! Those pesky 'wee unionists down your local pub' how dare they have an opinion You agree about the ferry fiasco then go on to say but 'England's were an even bigger shambles' SNP accountable for nothing, it's either England's fault, tories fault or the 'wee unionist down the pub'
Great response, another one that prefers to ignore the billions of our money being laundered to tory pals haha
OK schools better than England, NHS better than England, we export more than we import, we're one of the few countries that could survive without importing anything, and when independent we'll be one of the richest countries in the world, all facts if you do proper research.
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"Do not want the snp to run Scotland . Dinba Ken what they have done so far " Don't vote for them then, vote for whoever you want like every other democratically run country jn the world and whoever gets the most votes is whoever the people of that Country thinks is best to run them. At the moment Scotland hasn't voted for a tory government since the 50's, but thats who's running us because in the current union the Scottish vote counts for nothing. Why do you want a government in another country running you and not one voted for by you, to do the best for your country? Also, a vote for independence isn't a vote for the SNP. It isn't a general election and isn't how we decide who's in government. | |||
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"Do not want the snp to run Scotland . Dinba Ken what they have done so far " When was the last time you paid for a prescription? That's because of the SNP. No anyone that's paid for university tuition fees in long time? SNP. Anyone thays had a baby recently and gotten a baby box at the hospital? SNP. You dont know a single person in Scotland thats been hit by the bedroom tax, thats because of them too. Plenty in England made to suffer with that one. Want your free bus pass when you get to thag age? Aye, that'll be the SNP too. Maybe none of that effects you so you don't care, but they're important things that have made millions of peoples lives better and they've done it with less power than a normal government should have. Imagine what a government with full autonomy (doesn't need to be SNP, after independence well actually pick our own) could do? Plenty more things they've done that benefit loads of people, but its dead easy to do a wee bit of reading on it if you want to | |||
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"Be interesting to see what happens now with her obsession with Indy Ref 2. Hopefully nothing Yeah I get she's not everyone cup of tea. But Jesus perish the thought that it was Douglas dross running the country
They're all as bad as each other Have faith in wee Nicola KK , come and join us on the road to Freedom
A road to nowhere more like! She’s going to take us in to a referendum whether she has permission or not. I thought ‘No’ meant ‘No’ in all situations, obviously not for Nicola though. She’s not setting a good example as a leader! "Democracy moves. People change opinions and circumstances effext people. Should there be no more general elections because the Tory won the last one so that must be what the people want forever? Its literally the only reason the SNP and they consistently get elected to Scottish government, does that not tell you that there's support for them and their policies? Wouldn't you rather have a government that made decisions for Scotland in Scotland, with Scotland best interests at heart instead of having decisions made by a government in another country, elected by a different country, making decisions that don't benefit Scotland? What about that normal process that every other democratic country in the world has the luxury of doesn't appeal to you? | |||
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"Do not want the snp to run Scotland . Dinba Ken what they have done so far When was the last time you paid for a prescription? That's because of the SNP A terrible policy that means we are wasting valuable resources that could be going on cancer care..cutting waiting times..stopping kids dying in our new flagship hospitals..but instead of that we pay for wealthy people to get free prescriptions. How about giving the money to those that need it. No anyone that's paid for university tuition fees in long time? SNP. *Know not No. But anyway giving free university tuition fees is great. Except the education system has been so badly managed by the SNP our country has plummeted down the rankings and the attainmemt gap widened..despite it being their No 1 priority to close it. Easy to give free tuition fees when none of our kids will be able to go to university soon should the decline i stabdards continue. Oh wait..we have colleges too...that are all on brink of collapse due to under funding. Anyone thays had a baby recently and gotten a baby box at the hospital? SNP. Wow. Lets revote them in so everyone gets some nappies l..babygrows and a changing mat. Virtue signalling rubbish. How about giving the parents who require it the money and resources they need throughout early years..not a one off Pandoras box You dont know a single person in Scotland thats been hit by the bedroom tax, thats because of them too. Plenty in England made to suffer with that one. We pay the highest taxes in UK. Oue income tax rates are higher than England. Want your free bus pass when you get to thag age? Aye, that'll be the SNP too. Free bus pass but a shocking public transport system. How about making people who can afford it pay a fair and reasonable amount for their travel and use that money to fix the roads..transport network and help the poorest in society get free travel..not just the elderly.or under 22s..some of whom may be wealthier than most Maybe none of that effects you so you don't care, but they're important things that have made millions of peoples lives better and they've done it with less power than a normal government should have. Imagine what a government with full autonomy (doesn't need to be SNP, after independence well actually pick our own) could do? Plenty more things they've done that benefit loads of people, but its dead easy to do a wee bit of reading on it if you want to " | |||
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"It's beyond reason that any Scot would want his country to be governed by its democracy-denying resources-thieving neighbours. Is resources-rich Scotland uniquely incapable of being independent? Has any country which has gained its independence ever expressed a desire to return to a state of absorption? There is no case for the union. The pro-union arguments of Brown and Cameron turned out to be total lies, just like the deliberate deceit on that notorious brexit bus." | |||
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"It's beyond reason that any Scot would want his country to be governed by its democracy-denying resources-thieving neighbours. Is resources-rich Scotland uniquely incapable of being independent? Has any country which has gained its independence ever expressed a desire to return to a state of absorption? There is no case for the union. The pro-union arguments of Brown and Cameron turned out to be total lies, just like the deliberate deceit on that notorious brexit bus." If some people can't see this then they're totally misguided, couldn't agree with you more  | |||
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"It's beyond reason that any Scot would want his country to be governed by its democracy-denying resources-thieving neighbours. Is resources-rich Scotland uniquely incapable of being independent? Has any country which has gained its independence ever expressed a desire to return to a state of absorption? There is no case for the union. The pro-union arguments of Brown and Cameron turned out to be total lies, just like the deliberate deceit on that notorious brexit bus." But..the SNP policy is to join another union..EU..so not sure i follow this logic | |||
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"It's beyond reason that any Scot would want his country to be governed by its democracy-denying resources-thieving neighbours. Is resources-rich Scotland uniquely incapable of being independent? Has any country which has gained its independence ever expressed a desire to return to a state of absorption? There is no case for the union. The pro-union arguments of Brown and Cameron turned out to be total lies, just like the deliberate deceit on that notorious brexit bus. But..the SNP policy is to join another union..EU..so not sure i follow this logic" I can explain this, they want to join the EU because the people of Scotland voted that they wanted to be part of the EU. | |||
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"It's beyond reason that any Scot would want his country to be governed by its democracy-denying resources-thieving neighbours. Is resources-rich Scotland uniquely incapable of being independent? Has any country which has gained its independence ever expressed a desire to return to a state of absorption? There is no case for the union. The pro-union arguments of Brown and Cameron turned out to be total lies, just like the deliberate deceit on that notorious brexit bus. But..the SNP policy is to join another union..EU..so not sure i follow this logic" One is an empire (or its remnants) with enforced participation, the other is like a marketing group with voluntary membership. Ignored voice vs equal voice. EU will not be plundering our resources. Can you suggest the route by which Scotland should terminate its participation in the unequal union with England? | |||
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"It's beyond reason that any Scot would want his country to be governed by its democracy-denying resources-thieving neighbours. Is resources-rich Scotland uniquely incapable of being independent? Has any country which has gained its independence ever expressed a desire to return to a state of absorption? There is no case for the union. The pro-union arguments of Brown and Cameron turned out to be total lies, just like the deliberate deceit on that notorious brexit bus. But..the SNP policy is to join another union..EU..so not sure i follow this logic I can explain this, they want to join the EU because the people of Scotland voted that they wanted to be part of the EU." No..they didnt..people of scotland voted that they wanted the UK to remain in the EU..the question of Scotland remaining was not on the ballot paper. To assume if it was that people who wanted UK to remain also would want Scotland to be in EU on its own if false. I voted to remain. But would not want Scotland to be in it by itself. So you cant draw that conclusion. | |||
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"Is this the unequal union where we benefit from a bigger spend per head than most of the other parts of the UK ? If you believe in a party or cause that 8yrs after the referendum still cannot answer basic questions on currency, economy, defence etc while watching our devolved education, transport and health services fail repeatedly . Oh and while in Govan they can build state of the art warships in Greenock we cannot build car ferries. Guess which yard this shambles of a party control ?" Here here! | |||
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"It's beyond reason that any Scot would want his country to be governed by its democracy-denying resources-thieving neighbours. Is resources-rich Scotland uniquely incapable of being independent? Has any country which has gained its independence ever expressed a desire to return to a state of absorption? There is no case for the union. The pro-union arguments of Brown and Cameron turned out to be total lies, just like the deliberate deceit on that notorious brexit bus. But..the SNP policy is to join another union..EU..so not sure i follow this logic I can explain this, they want to join the EU because the people of Scotland voted that they wanted to be part of the EU. No..they didnt..people of scotland voted that they wanted the UK to remain in the EU..the question of Scotland remaining was not on the ballot paper. To assume if it was that people who wanted UK to remain also would want Scotland to be in EU on its own if false. I voted to remain. But would not want Scotland to be in it by itself. So you cant draw that conclusion. " Yes you can, its perfectly logical to draw that conclusion. Its only illogical if you are looking for a reason not to accept it, which you are to try and bolster your opinion. | |||
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"It's beyond reason that any Scot would want his country to be governed by its democracy-denying resources-thieving neighbours. Is resources-rich Scotland uniquely incapable of being independent? Has any country which has gained its independence ever expressed a desire to return to a state of absorption? There is no case for the union. The pro-union arguments of Brown and Cameron turned out to be total lies, just like the deliberate deceit on that notorious brexit bus. But..the SNP policy is to join another union..EU..so not sure i follow this logic I can explain this, they want to join the EU because the people of Scotland voted that they wanted to be part of the EU. No..they didnt..people of scotland voted that they wanted the UK to remain in the EU..the question of Scotland remaining was not on the ballot paper. To assume if it was that people who wanted UK to remain also would want Scotland to be in EU on its own if false. I voted to remain. But would not want Scotland to be in it by itself. So you cant draw that conclusion. Yes you can, its perfectly logical to draw that conclusion. Its only illogical if you are looking for a reason not to accept it, which you are to try and bolster your opinion." The point you should have made was it was a vote to stay not rejoin. Then went on to discuss the difficulties of a hard border, which has caused problems in northern ireland | |||
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"Is this the unequal union where we benefit from a bigger spend per head than most of the other parts of the UK ? If you believe in a party or cause that 8yrs after the referendum still cannot answer basic questions on currency, economy, defence etc while watching our devolved education, transport and health services fail repeatedly . Oh and while in Govan they can build state of the art warships in Greenock we cannot build car ferries. Guess which yard this shambles of a party control ?" Or maybe we keep all of the 78billion we give the treasury instead of putting up with getting half back 36billion we would be well better off,as for the ferries jim mccoll bought the yard from fergusons and took on ferry contracts that were near impossibe to fulfill and the snp took over a cpl years ago to save jobs in the inverclyde area so id say well done for that | |||
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"Is this the unequal union where we benefit from a bigger spend per head than most of the other parts of the UK ? If you believe in a party or cause that 8yrs after the referendum still cannot answer basic questions on currency, economy, defence etc while watching our devolved education, transport and health services fail repeatedly . Oh and while in Govan they can build state of the art warships in Greenock we cannot build car ferries. Guess which yard this shambles of a party control ?" These questions were answered at the last referendum and will be again, but I don't think you have an open mind to listen. As for parroting the debunked right wing press themes of a failing Scotland (Goebbles: repeat a lie often enough), it's just tiresome and shows you can't be taken seriously. It reminds me of labour's oft-repeated lie from the times of the failed Callaghan government, that the SNP brought Thatcher to power, rather than their own miserable failures. Labour aparatchiks detest the SNP - and therefore the concept of independence - because they have drawn most of their support from disillusioned Labour voters. So much so, that they are even ready and willing to climb into bed with the loathsome tories. Pretty disgusting when they have more loyalty to another country than their own. There will inevitably be a price to pay for such treachery. Even after independence, I can see Labour in Scotland being regarded as toxic for many years to come. | |||
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"We can all point the finger at this party and that party or at certain leaders to be the cause of the problem but unless scotland adopt a go forth attitude and strives to become a technological and manufacturing powerhouse then there is no chance of wealth for the people. Take Shenzen or China in general as an example. From poverty to an industrial powerhouse in as little as 15 years. I'm pretty sure that with the right attitude of the people and the right buisness leaders driving it scotland could become world leaders also in the correct fields." Yes..agree..and with a will.and investment.and a vision..15 years of SNP with none of that has killed us | |||
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"Is this the unequal union where we benefit from a bigger spend per head than most of the other parts of the UK ? If you believe in a party or cause that 8yrs after the referendum still cannot answer basic questions on currency, economy, defence etc while watching our devolved education, transport and health services fail repeatedly . Oh and while in Govan they can build state of the art warships in Greenock we cannot build car ferries. Guess which yard this shambles of a party control ?" We don't benefit from a bigger spend per head, we cost a bigger spend per head because we are less densely populated, and yet westminster is desperate to keep us despite claiming we are not net contributors. Now given all the abject greed and self preservation we have seen from the conservative ministers over the past 40 plus years, are we really to believe they are so benevolent and altruistic as to look after us with our best interests at heart? Britain will be bankrupt by 2050, that from their own policy oversight committee. So do we ride the bus to the inevitable? Or cut loose and try something different? | |||
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" People in Scotland voted to remain and that was the decision of the people. I voted to leave but accept the decision of the majority and now we need to get on with it. As for them being voted into power constantly, that's only because there is no alternative. You either vote for them or not not at all. Yes every country has the right to be independent so why leave and join the EU to be governed by someone else. They (SNP) need to answer many questions before I will vote yes again, like how are we going to pay for it all if we leave, there last campaign it was oil, gas, whiskey and tourism. We dont own the oil fields, trump taxed whiskey imports and covid fucked tourism......we dodged the bankruptcy bullet on that one by remaining. People vote one way or another over time. Circumstances and opinions change and democracy is never finished. The SNP received a larger number of votes in 2019 than in the previous GE. If people were only voting out of apathy then the overall votes cast would be reduced across the board, but more people have voted for them at the last opportunity than ever before. EU membership is the...... You set up a wee side gig selling homemade jam, but the only place to sell it is the shop your neighbour owns. He sets the price and takes a commission on every jar you sell. Every week he sends you the bill for your share of his credit card (youre not allowed one). He hasn't bought anything thats of benefit to you and you don't get a say on what he buys next week. This is all happening because 300 years ago yours and his ancestors signed a contract. You could dissolve the contract and keep %100 of your wages. Sell the jam in your own shop and keep every penny, and get your own credit card to improve your own spending power. Thats how every single other country in the world operates. Most of them don't have the fruit to make their own jam and they get by just fine. Why is it you think Scotland wouldn't be able to do the same? " Pity we don’t own the jam factory. We can’t produce the fruit to use in the jam. We don’t make the glass jar to put it in. We can’t make the label, print it or produce the paper. We can’t make the lid. We can’t produce the sugar. We can use the foreign owned and produced electricity tho, thanks to Iberdrola, GE, Siemens, etc. We do have the water..... I know we do have Baxter’s foods - but not sure if Audrey is still living in this country anymore? We need to own and produce manufacturing in Scotland, make wealth. I proposed at a talk I was at that the SNP ( if they get into power) should adopt the US dollar - this was actually later mentioned at a minor debate - it’s not as daft as it sounds if you think about it. Also do we deal for some of America’s mothballed armaments- job done, a navy / airforce/ army, I’m sure an American satellite state on the verge of Europe would be a good idea.... or one of the first targets  just now. ( but then Faslane is anyway)
Private Fraser from Dads Army summed it up in one sentence:
We’re DOOMED!..... DOOMED! Ah tell yee......... DOOMED!
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"Be interesting to see what happens now with her obsession with Indy Ref 2. Hopefully nothing Yeah I get she's not everyone cup of tea. But Jesus perish the thought that it was Douglas dross running the country
They're all as bad as each other Have faith in wee Nicola KK , come and join us on the road to Freedom "Have Faith LOL failed educution , failed health , failed hospitals failed A+E waiting times, failed Railways , failed ferrys , failed ambulance service, highest drug deaths in Europe, Nhs 1 billion maintenence backlog, pensioners murdered in their thousands due to the care home scandal,fewer Uni places for Scottish students, withdrawal from education league tables (were number 1) , 300 fewer schools,the Atainment gap wider than ever, the named person/snooper scheme the alchohol unit tax,,£7million on Chauffer driven cars, £600 k ghosted away (Magpie watching"Husband" not seen since" super injunctions to stop the report of a super injunction re her French mistress. the 50 i cant recalls in the Salmond enquiry the endless list of fraudsters sex pests and bullys in her ranks misleading/lying to parliament over the Salmind enquiry Oh yes have faith .!!!    | |||
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" People in Scotland voted to remain and that was the decision of the people. I voted to leave but accept the decision of the majority and now we need to get on with it. As for them being voted into power constantly, that's only because there is no alternative. You either vote for them or not not at all. Yes every country has the right to be independent so why leave and join the EU to be governed by someone else. They (SNP) need to answer many questions before I will vote yes again, like how are we going to pay for it all if we leave, there last campaign it was oil, gas, whiskey and tourism. We dont own the oil fields, trump taxed whiskey imports and covid fucked tourism......we dodged the bankruptcy bullet on that one by remaining. People vote one way or another over time. Circumstances and opinions change and democracy is never finished. The SNP received a larger number of votes in 2019 than in the previous GE. If people were only voting out of apathy then the overall votes cast would be reduced across the board, but more people have voted for them at the last opportunity than ever before. EU membership is the...... You set up a wee side gig selling homemade jam, but the only place to sell it is the shop your neighbour owns. He sets the price and takes a commission on every jar you sell. Every week he sends you the bill for your share of his credit card (youre not allowed one). He hasn't bought anything thats of benefit to you and you don't get a say on what he buys next week. This is all happening because 300 years ago yours and his ancestors signed a contract. You could dissolve the contract and keep %100 of your wages. Sell the jam in your own shop and keep every penny, and get your own credit card to improve your own spending power. Thats how every single other country in the world operates. Most of them don't have the fruit to make their own jam and they get by just fine. Why is it you think Scotland wouldn't be able to do the same? Pity we don’t own the jam factory. We can’t produce the fruit to use in the jam. We don’t make the glass jar to put it in. We can’t make the label, print it or produce the paper. We can’t make the lid. We can’t produce the sugar. We can use the foreign owned and produced electricity tho, thanks to Iberdrola, GE, Siemens, etc. We do have the water..... I know we do have Baxter’s foods - but not sure if Audrey is still living in this country anymore? We need to own and produce manufacturing in Scotland, make wealth. I proposed at a talk I was at that the SNP ( if they get into power) should adopt the US dollar - this was actually later mentioned at a minor debate - it’s not as daft as it sounds if you think about it. Also do we deal for some of America’s mothballed armaments- job done, a navy / airforce/ army, I’m sure an American satellite state on the verge of Europe would be a good idea.... or one of the first targets just now. ( but then Faslane is anyway)
Private Fraser from Dads Army summed it up in one sentence:
We’re DOOMED!..... DOOMED! Ah tell yee......... DOOMED!
All this yet they cant run a train service , or open the national bank they promised
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