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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

With swimming and a couple of other sports officially excluding transgender MTF competing im womens competitions..whats everyones thoughts?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's the right decision.

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By *eiaorganaWoman
over a year ago

Dundee

I think the people who know what would work best is those in the sport, and I'm not qualified to have an opinion.

Everyone should be treated fairly, though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The transphobia on this site is rife so I’ll be interested to read responses…

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By *eiaorganaWoman
over a year ago

Dundee


"The transphobia on this site is rife so I’ll be interested to read responses… "

It's a useful filter, right enough

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By *hebirdsMan
over a year ago

Haddington


"The transphobia on this site is rife so I’ll be interested to read responses… "

Id be interested if you think these sports governing bodies decisions are transphobic.

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By *oannefife1982TV/TS
over a year ago

Fife

This subject has no place here.

It's a minefield so best left out of the forum on a swingers site.

But no doubt the TERF'S and Transphobic people will enjoy it.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple


"This subject has no place here.

It's a minefield so best left out of the forum on a swingers site.

But no doubt the TERF'S and Transphobic people will enjoy it.

"

The term terf is banded about, questioning is not always transphobic.

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By *oannefife1982TV/TS
over a year ago

Fife

No you are right being a TERF doesn't always mean that you are transphobic as yes people have a right to question but not too exclude. IE if you said that Trans Women can't use single gender services then that is transphobic but saying that your opinion is they can't but you respect there rights to access them isn't transphobic. It's all depends on context of the statement

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what most are saying on here is if you agree it's the right decision your transphobic?

Aye OK then

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By *irtycumboCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

I think it's mental how a swingers site has so many posts with absolute no reference to swinging may aswell just be on Facebook sometimes rather than the forums

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The transphobia on this site is rife so I’ll be interested to read responses…

Id be interested if you think these sports governing bodies decisions are transphobic."

Yes and no. Yes because it is transphobic to exclude people for being transgender. No because I can understand the different strengths/sizes/weights make it a little off balance for competing in terms of fairness. In an ideal world they’d get rid of gender organised sports so everyone could participate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A woman is a woman by science

A man is a man by science

A trans woman is a trans woman by choice of identification and not a woman . The term trans does not drop . The reason sports are separated by gender is due to the differences in body’s not because of someone’s identification

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By *ockothenorthMan
over a year ago

Falkirk


"A woman is a woman by science

A man is a man by science

A trans woman is a trans woman by choice of identification and not a woman . The term trans does not drop . The reason sports are separated by gender is due to the differences in body’s not because of someone’s identification "

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By *hebirdsMan
over a year ago

Haddington


"The transphobia on this site is rife so I’ll be interested to read responses…

Id be interested if you think these sports governing bodies decisions are transphobic.

Yes and no. Yes because it is transphobic to exclude people for being transgender. No because I can understand the different strengths/sizes/weights make it a little off balance for competing in terms of fairness. In an ideal world they’d get rid of gender organised sports so everyone could participate. "

A mixed reply that confuses me. You pragmatically agree with the decision yet still view it as transphobic. How would ignoring gender in sport create inclusivity. Men would win virtually everything therefore female participation would drop to virtually zero.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The transphobia on this site is rife so I’ll be interested to read responses…

Id be interested if you think these sports governing bodies decisions are transphobic.

Yes and no. Yes because it is transphobic to exclude people for being transgender. No because I can understand the different strengths/sizes/weights make it a little off balance for competing in terms of fairness. In an ideal world they’d get rid of gender organised sports so everyone could participate. "

....and that would signal the end of women's sports. If people are genuinely concerned about exclusion then there should be a female category and a unisex category. Then all women who don't object to competing against men can do so (and get fucking gubbed).

They are not being excluded for being transgender.

They have been excluded from competing in women's sports because they are biological men.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The transphobia on this site is rife so I’ll be interested to read responses…

Id be interested if you think these sports governing bodies decisions are transphobic.

Yes and no. Yes because it is transphobic to exclude people for being transgender. No because I can understand the different strengths/sizes/weights make it a little off balance for competing in terms of fairness. In an ideal world they’d get rid of gender organised sports so everyone could participate.

....and that would signal the end of women's sports. If people are genuinely concerned about exclusion then there should be a female category and a unisex category. Then all women who don't object to competing against men can do so (and get fucking gubbed).

They are not being excluded for being transgender.

They have been excluded from competing in women's sports because they are biological men.

"

....and I know how these threads go so I brought my own matches for the bonfire. "BURN THE WITCH!"

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By *avie65Man
over a year ago

In the west.

To paraphrase ABBA:

Mamma Mia here we go again, my my how can I be resurrected, again.

All these threads do is start a fekin arguement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A woman is a woman by science

A man is a man by science

A trans woman is a trans woman by choice of identification and not a woman . The term trans does not drop . The reason sports are separated by gender is due to the differences in body’s not because of someone’s identification "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To paraphrase ABBA:

Mamma Mia here we go again, my my how can I be resurrected, again.

All these threads do is start a fekin arguement. "

This is true.

And I genuinely feel sorry for normal trans folk who just want left in fucking peace to go about their daily lives. In many cases, it's trans activists who hold the most militant views rather than actual trans people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I support the opinion that is backed up by empirical scientific evidence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A bit off topic and maybe more light hearted. Perhaps a new thread topic is in order however....

I've always wanted a seperate Olympics where you are allowed to use performance enhancing drugs.

100m in under 6 seconds? Hell yeah. Could take place after the Olympics and para Olympics have been completed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"With swimming and a couple of other sports officially excluding transgender MTF competing im womens competitions..whats everyones thoughts? "
Glad to see it happening and also glad that authorities have seen sense and kicked this idea into touch, if it did happen it would be the end of competitive women in sport.

Maybe introduce a transgender section into all sports where MTF can compete against each other.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"With swimming and a couple of other sports officially excluding transgender MTF competing im womens competitions..whats everyones thoughts? Glad to see it happening and also glad that authorities have seen sense and kicked this idea into touch, if it did happen it would be the end of competitive women in sport.

Maybe introduce a transgender section into all sports where MTF can compete against each other."

There simply aren't enough athletes falling into that category to make it a viable option though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A bit off topic and maybe more light hearted. Perhaps a new thread topic is in order however....

I've always wanted a seperate Olympics where you are allowed to use performance enhancing drugs.

100m in under 6 seconds? Hell yeah. Could take place after the Olympics and para Olympics have been completed. "

I'll send you the last face pic I was sent....you'll improve on your PB of 6 secs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A bit off topic and maybe more light hearted. Perhaps a new thread topic is in order however....

I've always wanted a seperate Olympics where you are allowed to use performance enhancing drugs.

100m in under 6 seconds? Hell yeah. Could take place after the Olympics and para Olympics have been completed. "

This would be amazing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"With swimming and a couple of other sports officially excluding transgender MTF competing im womens competitions..whats everyones thoughts? Glad to see it happening and also glad that authorities have seen sense and kicked this idea into touch, if it did happen it would be the end of competitive women in sport.

Maybe introduce a transgender section into all sports where MTF can compete against each other.

There simply aren't enough athletes falling into that category to make it a viable option though."
maybe not now but in the future there might be

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By *iercedyvonneTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow


"And I genuinely feel sorry for normal trans folk who just want left in fucking peace to go about their daily lives. In many cases, it's trans activists who hold the most militant views rather than actual trans people.

"

This. Trans activists don't speak for the majority of us.

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By *iercedyvonneTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow

As a trans person myself, there is no way that trans women should be allowed to compete against genetic women.

The Equality Act allows exclusion for a legitimate aim.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

100% should not be allowed ... What they should do is introduce a new category for trans people to compete fairly against each other

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As a trans person myself, there is no way that trans women should be allowed to compete against genetic women.

The Equality Act allows exclusion for a legitimate aim."

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Very interesting range of views..thanks to all who have contributed so far. Apologies to those who feel this is not the place for such a topic..but i saw people posting about all kinds of non swinging related topics so thought this would be an interesting and topical one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Very interesting range of views..thanks to all who have contributed so far. Apologies to those who feel this is not the place for such a topic..but i saw people posting about all kinds of non swinging related topics so thought this would be an interesting and topical one"

If you had posted this thread in the Lounge, it would have been very different and the thread would have reached its limit of comments

Ps I wholeheartedly agree with their decision

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A bit off topic and maybe more light hearted. Perhaps a new thread topic is in order however....

I've always wanted a seperate Olympics where you are allowed to use performance enhancing drugs.

100m in under 6 seconds? Hell yeah. Could take place after the Olympics and para Olympics have been completed.

I'll send you the last face pic I was sent....you'll improve on your PB of 6 secs"

It wasn't my best angle I'll grant you, but it was early in the morning and the 90's dance scene wasn't kind to me

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By *hrobbermanMan
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

The correct decision has been made, albeit a bit late in the day, but let's allow the woke world to catch up with the real one. This decision MUST be applied across ALL Women's Sports and suchlike.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I totally agree although I’ve just been triggered by you using the word mental.

There’s no place for that on a non mental health forum….

I am of course taking the urine,

Crack on…..

Ps puns are good too x

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By *hrobbermanMan
over a year ago

Lanarkshire


"

Maybe introduce a transgender section into all sports where MTF can compete against each other.

There simply aren't enough athletes falling into that category to make it a viable option though. maybe not now but in the future there might be"

"Sorry but I'm afraid the World Olympic Games cannot come up with sufficient trans-women athletes to muster an actual event. You can't get in this year"

"You mean I will just have to do swimming and long-jump on my own at the local swimming pool and local park. With no-one to watch me?"

"Yes. And a wee word of warning, the local swimming pool are a bit twitchy about self-identified, trans-women with a cock, balls and no breasts wandering around the women's changing rooms... sorry but it is just how people are."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

May as well admit that this is always going to be a touchy subject. Looking to the future when talking about enhanced athletes, and no I'm not saying transgender athletes are enhanced. But what happens when cybernetics comes in to play we've already seen disabled runners with running blades run faster than able bodied athletes what happens then? That should fling the cat amongst the pigeons

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By *oannefife1982TV/TS
over a year ago

Fife

So let me ask this question if a trans man wants to take part in swimming has been on testosterone for years and has all the strength etc associated with it.

From reading most of the comments people are saying he should compete as a woman despite the added advantage that he will have.

Very curious to understand if people are happy with that approach.

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By *ORDERMANMan
over a year ago

wrexham

Introduce a 3rd category

Male competitors

Female competitors

Trans competitors

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By *hrobbermanMan
over a year ago

Lanarkshire


"So let me ask this question if a trans man wants to take part in swimming has been on testosterone for years and has all the strength etc associated with it.

From reading most of the comments people are saying he should compete as a woman despite the added advantage that he will have.

Very curious to understand if people are happy with that approach. "

They may be unable to find a niche in competitive sport. They might also be able to compete in women's sport as long as they keep their testosterone levels down as you cannot take drugs which give you enhancement or advantage. Tests are run.

There have been zero cases of any athletes born as biological women who have since 'made a change' and want to compete against men. Absolutely none. Because biological men have such an advantage.

Even years of a trans-man taking testosterone does not accomplish (or even approach) the competitive gains that being born a male, growing up as a male and going through puberty and teenage growth and training as a naturally testosterone-filled jizz-pump, athletic adult human male does. So no trans-males ever challenge male sport. They'd just lose and they know it. There was a really good reason for developing women's sport.

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By *utcock61Man
over a year ago

glasgow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So let me ask this question if a trans man wants to take part in swimming has been on testosterone for years and has all the strength etc associated with it.

From reading most of the comments people are saying he should compete as a woman despite the added advantage that he will have.

Very curious to understand if people are happy with that approach. "

If they're taking any substance which will unfairly enhance their performance, then no, they shouldn't be competing in the female category. Sharon Davies has spoken extensively on this topic and her experiences of losing to female competitors who were doping.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Introduce a 3rd category

Male competitors

Female competitors

Trans competitors "

Why not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Trans should compete with other trans to make it fair

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Trans should compete with other trans to make it fair "

Agreed

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By *scobar67Man
over a year ago

glasgow


"I think it's the right decision."

Agree with you mrs

Whatever gender you are born you should compete in that gender. Nl

Not full testosterone men racing young girls... Total unfair advantage.

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By *eglover62TV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr


"Trans should compete with other trans to make it fair "

This 100%

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By *uffolkJohnMan
over a year ago

Newmarket


"Trans should compete with other trans to make it fair

This 100%"

Couldn't we handicap them like horses. If your a trans swimmer you have to carry a 5 kilo weight strapped to your back. Seems fair.

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By *vcarolTV/TS
over a year ago

kilmarnockish


"A woman is a woman by science

A man is a man by science

A trans woman is a trans woman by choice of identification and not a woman . The term trans does not drop . The reason sports are separated by gender is due to the differences in body’s not because of someone’s identification "

Very rarely do I comment on the forum, but....

Firstly, you are allowed your right of choice and expression and I will defend you to have that right, just as you should defend me and others like me to have that same right of expression.

But for some it’s not a choice, for some it’s almost an insanity, so your statement is very wide sweeping and without actual basis or true knowledge.

I’m not putting you down, but if you and any others that have that view fancy a coffee I’ll gladly explain what’s its like being me and being trans.

On topic, I do agree that in the case of the swimmer, to win and to win at all costs was the motive, irrespective of the gender and his choice to swap gender, it was the correct decision to exclude trans from sports - it’s way too complicated to cross and decide who goes where.

Remember the Russian female weightlifting exclusion for too much testosterone, this is why we have drug testing in sport. Remember it’s not just in sport there are issues, in ballet some of the females ( in the traditional Iron Curtain) we’re being forced testosterone to enhance there dancing, to the point that some were accused of having a little package downstairs.

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By *atex_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

Birminghsm


"A woman is a woman by science

A man is a man by science

A trans woman is a trans woman by choice of identification and not a woman . The term trans does not drop . The reason sports are separated by gender is due to the differences in body’s not because of someone’s identification "

No... this is not science and certainly there is no standard definition of what is a woman. All the supposed definitions have exceptions and run into trouble pretty quickly.

Sports sre separated by sex not gender. Further a little reading on the social construction of sport and its inherent mysogony would not go a miss.

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By *atex_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

Birminghsm


"The transphobia on this site is rife so I’ll be interested to read responses…

Id be interested if you think these sports governing bodies decisions are transphobic.

Yes and no. Yes because it is transphobic to exclude people for being transgender. No because I can understand the different strengths/sizes/weights make it a little off balance for competing in terms of fairness. In an ideal world they’d get rid of gender organised sports so everyone could participate.

....and that would signal the end of women's sports. If people are genuinely concerned about exclusion then there should be a female category and a unisex category. Then all women who don't object to competing against men can do so (and get fucking gubbed).

They are not being excluded for being transgender.

They have been excluded from competing in women's sports because they are biological men.

"

Transgender is sport won't end female sports, they have been competing at grass roots level for years. This moral panic is a distracting culture war. The real challenges for female sport are 1. The lack of investment and visibility 2. The rife sex and physical abuse from cis gendered men (not trans) and 3. The lack of suitable facilities for girls in sport.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Looking for my first experience with a man

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By *oannefife1982TV/TS
over a year ago

Fife

Well you have definitely posted in the wrong forum

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

A woman is a woman by science

A man is a man by science

A trans woman is a trans woman by choice of identification and not a woman . The term trans does not drop . The reason sports are separated by gender is due to the differences in body’s not because of someone’s identification

Very rarely do I comment on the forum, but....

Firstly, you are allowed your right of choice and expression and I will defend you to have that right, just as you should defend me and others like me to have that same right of expression.

I would say anyone can say they are whatever they want to say. im totally fine with that. Problems arise when an attempt is made to force others to adhere to what this or that person want to call themselves.

But for some it’s not a choice, for some it’s almost an insanity, so your statement is very wide sweeping and without actual basis or true knowledge.

In most country's up until a short time ago and still is in alot it was body dysmorphia which was seen as a mental condition.

I’m not putting you down, but if you and any others that have that view fancy a coffee I’ll gladly explain what’s its like being me and being trans.

While folk could listen they would have very limited point of reference as its not something everyone encounters.

On topic, I do agree that in the case of the swimmer, to win and to win at all costs was the motive, irrespective of the gender and his choice to swap gender, it was the correct decision to exclude trans from sports - it’s way too complicated to cross and decide who goes where.

This is exactly why if trans folk are determined to compete in sports they can't just change sides if and when they chose at the detriment to others. This for me is the big part that alot of trans people don't get its their personal choice to transition its not everyone else's choice for many reasons science biology religious or opinion.

Remember the Russian female weightlifting exclusion for too much testosterone, this is why we have drug testing in sport.

We also have different baselines for different categories.

transitioning does not fool body chemistry thats been happening throughout that person's life.

Remember it’s not just in sport there are issues, in ballet some of the females ( in the traditional Iron Curtain) we’re being forced testosterone to enhance there dancing, to the point that some were accused of having a little package downstairs.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple


"The transphobia on this site is rife so I’ll be interested to read responses…

Id be interested if you think these sports governing bodies decisions are transphobic.

Yes and no. Yes because it is transphobic to exclude people for being transgender. No because I can understand the different strengths/sizes/weights make it a little off balance for competing in terms of fairness. In an ideal world they’d get rid of gender organised sports so everyone could participate.

....and that would signal the end of women's sports. If people are genuinely concerned about exclusion then there should be a female category and a unisex category. Then all women who don't object to competing against men can do so (and get fucking gubbed).

They are not being excluded for being transgender.

They have been excluded from competing in women's sports because they are biological men.

Transgender is sport won't end female sports, they have been competing at grass roots level for years. This moral panic is a distracting culture war. The real challenges for female sport are 1. The lack of investment and visibility 2. The rife sex and physical abuse from cis gendered men (not trans) and 3. The lack of suitable facilities for girls in sport. "

They are trying to end female sport, trying to eradicate women from participating in society and trying to undermine us. Women have had years of being held back and dictated to by men, this is no different, its still misogyny.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge


"The transphobia on this site is rife so I’ll be interested to read responses…

Id be interested if you think these sports governing bodies decisions are transphobic.

Yes and no. Yes because it is transphobic to exclude people for being transgender. No because I can understand the different strengths/sizes/weights make it a little off balance for competing in terms of fairness. In an ideal world they’d get rid of gender organised sports so everyone could participate.

....and that would signal the end of women's sports. If people are genuinely concerned about exclusion then there should be a female category and a unisex category. Then all women who don't object to competing against men can do so (and get fucking gubbed).

They are not being excluded for being transgender.

They have been excluded from competing in women's sports because they are biological men.

Transgender is sport won't end female sports, they have been competing at grass roots level for years. This moral panic is a distracting culture war. The real challenges for female sport are 1. The lack of investment and visibility 2. The rife sex and physical abuse from cis gendered men (not trans) and 3. The lack of suitable facilities for girls in sport.

They are trying to end female sport, trying to eradicate women from participating in society and trying to undermine us. Women have had years of being held back and dictated to by men, this is no different, its still misogyny."
not sure i would go with held back due to misogyny in recent history. held back due to a lack of appetite in recent history

sport is a money making scheme and there was/is a greater appetite for male sports over female sport though that is begining to change and your seeing this in funding being generated into womans sports.

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By *atex_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

Birminghsm


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They are trying to end female sport, trying to eradicate women from participating in society and trying to undermine us. Women have had years of being held back and dictated to by men, this is no different, its still misogyny."

Moral panic at its worst. Where is the evidence of trans people eradicating women from sport. They have been part of grass roots for decades. Trans people don't have the numbers or the influence to eradicate women. The barriers are those put in place by cis gendered males and those that abuse women. Even the modern concept of sport is based in part on ensuring male superiority and maintaining idealistic feminine concepts.

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By *usic TrishTV/TS
over a year ago

Kelty


"With swimming and a couple of other sports officially excluding transgender MTF competing im womens competitions..whats everyones thoughts? Glad to see it happening and also glad that authorities have seen sense and kicked this idea into touch, if it did happen it would be the end of competitive women in sport.

Maybe introduce a transgender section into all sports where MTF can compete against each other."

It's been happening for 30 years and competitive sport is still competitive. Only ine trans person has won a major event and then only once.

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By *usic TrishTV/TS
over a year ago

Kelty

The things is, this will backfire. It now means transmen will have to compete in the women's section. Transmen are stronger by far than transwomen. Its already happened in America and the same people who wanted to exclude transwomen are now calling for transmen to be excluded despite the fact many said that "you can't change your sex" so by their definition transmen are women and should compete as women.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The things is, this will backfire. It now means transmen will have to compete in the women's section. Transmen are stronger by far than transwomen. Its already happened in America and the same people who wanted to exclude transwomen are now calling for transmen to be excluded despite the fact many said that "you can't change your sex" so by their definition transmen are women and should compete as women."

Anyone who has a unfair advantage whether that be due to their biology (biological man/transwoman) or taking substances such as testosterone (biological women/transmen) should not be competing in the women's category. It's really that simple.

And the points raised previously that only a small number of transwomen have impacted on women's sports is irrelevant. Medals or no medals, it means a place has been taken from a woman in that particular competition.

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By *andomprofileMan
over a year ago

Queensferry


"Anyone who has a unfair advantage whether that be due to their biology (biological man/transwoman) or taking substances such as testosterone (biological women/transmen) should not be competing in the women's category. It's really that simple."

That is everything that needs to be said, the discussion ends here, because you’ve nailed it, and the fact we’ve got to this point is ridiculous

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

chichester

People have also not considered the elephant in the room going forward with future sport.

Womens sport is very low viewing figures when compared to male sports and with a huge disparity of external investment. Trans sporting or open gender sporting would be a niche within a niche currently .

What happens now if some cool lgbt supporting people like Elon / bill gates / mr Apple etc decide to plough billions of dollars into getting trans / mixed events sporting to take off. With a serious effort at pushing it up down the line into mainstream coverage .

The womens rights groups / sporting bodies will have a meltdown that serious money is being pushed into this and not into female only sport.

Spicy times could potentially be incoming. America will be hilarious to watch this unfold on news if it happens .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well they would fail the drugs test so won’t be competing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is an interesting one. I think it’s a really tricky one, to not let trans people compete is excluding them, to create their own sporting competition would be considered isolating them and including them in the male female gendered sporting groups we have is genetically unfair.

For example, a M2F trans person matched up to box a F competitor is a genetic mismatch and one I wouldn’t be able to watch. There is a mixed martial arts fight on YouTube where a F fighter was dominating her division and demanded to fight a M fighter. She was horrifically mauled.

I’m not smart enough to find the answer to allow everyone to be included equally but I do hope a way is found.

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By *inkyropecoupleCouple
over a year ago

carluke


"This is an interesting one. I think it’s a really tricky one, to not let trans people compete is excluding them, to create their own sporting competition would be considered isolating them and including them in the male female gendered sporting groups we have is genetically unfair.

For example, a M2F trans person matched up to box a F competitor is a genetic mismatch and one I wouldn’t be able to watch. There is a mixed martial arts fight on YouTube where a F fighter was dominating her division and demanded to fight a M fighter. She was horrifically mauled.

I’m not smart enough to find the answer to allow everyone to be included equally but I do hope a way is found. "

Definitely thought provoking. My mind went to the Paralympics where the competitors are put into groups of similar abilities to try to make it as equal as possible. Maybe something like that is the way forward?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is an interesting one. I think it’s a really tricky one, to not let trans people compete is excluding them, to create their own sporting competition would be considered isolating them and including them in the male female gendered sporting groups we have is genetically unfair.

For example, a M2F trans person matched up to box a F competitor is a genetic mismatch and one I wouldn’t be able to watch. There is a mixed martial arts fight on YouTube where a F fighter was dominating her division and demanded to fight a M fighter. She was horrifically mauled.

I’m not smart enough to find the answer to allow everyone to be included equally but I do hope a way is found.

Definitely thought provoking. My mind went to the Paralympics where the competitors are put into groups of similar abilities to try to make it as equal as possible. Maybe something like that is the way forward?"

Groups as in cock length, girth, bbc,wbc,vwe. Sorry in advance if I offended the snowflakes.

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By *lam granWoman
46 weeks ago

falkirk


"People have also not considered the elephant in the room going forward with future sport.

Womens sport is very low viewing figures when compared to male sports and with a huge disparity of external investment. Trans sporting or open gender sporting would be a niche within a niche currently .

What happens now if some cool lgbt supporting people like Elon / bill gates / mr Apple etc decide to plough billions of dollars into getting trans / mixed events sporting to take off. With a serious effort at pushing it up down the line into mainstream coverage .

The womens rights groups / sporting bodies will have a meltdown that serious money is being pushed into this and not into female only sport.

Spicy times could potentially be incoming. America will be hilarious to watch this unfold on news if it happens . "

Women's rights groups will be happy that women's sports are being kept exclusively for women.

If trans athletes are successful in creating a niche market for themselves and appealing to the £/$ then so be it. I wish them all the best. It would be the best outcome for everyone.

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

They should make a category for trans people.

Men vs men. Women vs women and trans v trans.

Simple as that

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