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The New Doctor who? Which is a great question, who the fuck is this guy they have chosen?

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By *eyondThePale OP   Man
over a year ago

Paisley

This could be a potentially contentious issue to discuss but I don't think it should be perceived as such. Maybe I am being naive here. I am all for change. If the minorities feel they are under represented on tv and film then now is a time to change that dynamic.

Now, for context, which is so important, I am not a, 'real' Doctor Who fan. Rather, to use political parlance, instead of, 'floating voter' I am a somewhat of a 'floating viewer'. I tuned in when the superb Christopher Eccleston was the Doctor and then tuned back out when he left.

So if the BBC is trying to grab new viewers they are not going to get me here. Now this is nothing to do with the chosen actor's hue of skin. I couldn't give a flying fuck about that.

It is just that to get the type of viewer like me interested again I feel one needs profile. Eccleston had that profile. In fact, i couldn't believe they could afford him, but was so glad the BBC forked out the cash for him.

In retrospect, maybe Eccleston needed the work, because while I thought his time as the baddie in, 'gone in 60 seconds' was going to be his time in hollywood, it didn't work out that way. I don't think hollywood likes actors with their own thoughts and opinions. Park that for now though, as that is another story.

But back to the subject of profile, Eccleston had it, hollywood back to the beep brought me in. This dude though, that they have chosen, I don't know who he is. From all accounts from the people that have seen him, say he is a fucking brilliant actor. Unfortunately, I haven't seen him in anything.

Now if it was Iris Elba (I know, how the fuck could they afford him? he is mega) as the Doctor, then I am sitting down for that.

I am not a fud though (at least I think I am not), I get the challenge here and the argument. It is a vicious circle, because minorities do not get the screen time that their caucasian cousins do, then without some sort of affirmative type action, how are we going to redress the balanace?

I know, hard to sort. I am terrible with remembering actor's names, it takes for me to be exposed to them in a wide variety of pictures before their real name sticks in my head. So I have seen minority actors in great series such as, "top boy" that could probably do the Doctor who role justice. The lassie from mostly channel 4 drama and comedy series, "Michaela Coel" (had to check up her name because of my pish memory) could dae a job tae. Great comedic turn of phrase she has, which would be great when faced with a huge fucking Dalek lol. This would also carry on solving the gender mismatch too. Ticking another PC box.

Any thoughts peeps?

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By *ilveryFoxMan
over a year ago

Midlothian

Thoughts?

You’ve clearly thought a lot about this

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By *estless nativeMan
over a year ago

near Glasgow

The lad is best known for Sex Education, havent seen it myself so cant comment on that show.

I have seen him in supporting roles in a couple of films but nothing of note

He has gone through the audition/selection process and got the job so well done to him.

On the diversity issue, the UK body (creative diversity network) set up to monitor diversity and inclusion say that BAME actors/presenters are now overrepresented on UK tv in comparison to the % of population, but some groups are still under represented.

Off screen still under represented in technical and leadership roles.

Don't think they monitor films.

Im sure there will be other organisations who use different metrics and will come up with conflicting results though

Back to Dr Who, its been fun watching racists and bigots melt down when they discover that Peter Davison is mixed race.

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By *ibliosWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Not sure what the argument here is - that you only want to watch things with folk that are 'Hollywood' famous (in which case how are newer folk supposed to get their shot)? Or that you're only interested in watching folk you've seen and liked in other things already (which would seem to really limit your viewing choices)? Not to mention the fact you could have all of that and then *still* not like how they end up portraying the Doctor regardless of how talented they objectively are.

Personally I'm reserving judgement until I actually see it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Think he's good in Sex Education.

Probs won't watch it though cause I don't follow Dr Who.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've never heard of the people you say would do a good job. Swings and roundabouts I guess.

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By *eyondThePale OP   Man
over a year ago

Paisley


"Not sure what the argument here is - that you only want to watch things with folk that are 'Hollywood' famous (in which case how are newer folk supposed to get their shot)? Or that you're only interested in watching folk you've seen and liked in other things already (which would seem to really limit your viewing choices)? Not to mention the fact you could have all of that and then *still* not like how they end up portraying the Doctor regardless of how talented they objectively are.

Personally I'm reserving judgement until I actually see it!"

Apologies for not being clearer. The genre of Doctor Who is not something that I opt for first if I have time to sit at the tv for a night. However, if the profile of the actor is strong as the lead role, that may tempt me and others to give it a try. Just like if you don't have a favoured movie genre like, 'chic flicks' for example, but an actor that you adore (Amy Adams for example) puts a movie out like that and this is what galvanises you to watch it. Hope that clears my point up.

Viewing figures fluctuate for many reasons and profile of the lead role is one of them. Of course if you are bonafide lover of Doctor Who, they could put, "timmy Mallet" as the lead role and you would still watch it because you are somewhat of a geek of the program's rich history.

I am not one of these geeks, as they are known as the series, 'core audience'. I am the floating type of viewer. This happens with so many things. For example, I find that sport of snooker not quite that interesting to watch, but if the genius that is Ronnie O'sullivan is playing and he is about to create history I and many others like me tune in and the increase of viewing figures is reflected by the profile of the expert at the table.

Reserving judgement before you see it is a perfectly acceptable way to go. I was more talking about the strategy from the BBC to bring the viewers in, not the skill or lack thereof of the actor in question. I will not be tuning in, because I am not a lover of the genre and because like many I am time poor when it comes to indulging in a tv series that I will opt for something else.

Hope that is clearer now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

change that dynamic.

never never nooooooooo !!!

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By *eyondThePale OP   Man
over a year ago

Paisley


"change that dynamic.

never never nooooooooo !!! "

I am slower that a week in jail, I was going, 'wtf is his problem with that phrase?' lol. Never change brother, never change, "You're beautiful

You're beautiful

You're beautiful, it's true" (by James Blunt, is that rhyming slang again Beyond lol?)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"who the fuck is this guy they have chosen?

I am not a fud though"

Ummm... A very quick YouTube check would have answered this... But you might not have heard of that site

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By *eyondThePale OP   Man
over a year ago

Paisley


"who the fuck is this guy they have chosen?

I am not a fud though

Ummm... A very quick YouTube check would have answered this... But you might not have heard of that site "

I was not being literal here you realise that yes? The who is a play on words being that it is called, "Doctor who" and also the fact that one has to google or youtube said person for the role suggests that he doesn't have the profile high enough to play such a prestigious role does it not? Given that this program goes back almost 60 years?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tom Baker is my Dr Who. Its gone downhill since then.

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By *ellinever70Woman
over a year ago

Ayrshire

I don't think they had you in mind when they were casting the role

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do your research.

The boy is a very talented young actor

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

“If the minorities feel they are under represented on tv and film…” Hardly a feeling though, is it? It’s a fact.

Why bring up the fact he’s black multiple times if it’s not something you have an issue with and you don’t even care about the show?

He’s been cast because he’s popular, relatable and a great actor. Isn’t that enough? He’s also a main character in Sex Education, a show that’s been top on Netflix for all 3 seasons so far.

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

Craggy Island


"This could be a potentially contentious issue to discuss but I don't think it should be perceived as such. Maybe I am being naive here. I am all for change. If the minorities feel they are under represented on tv and film then now is a time to change that dynamic.

Now, for context, which is so important, I am not a, 'real' Doctor Who fan. Rather, to use political parlance, instead of, 'floating voter' I am a somewhat of a 'floating viewer'. I tuned in when the superb Christopher Eccleston was the Doctor and then tuned back out when he left.

So if the BBC is trying to grab new viewers they are not going to get me here. Now this is nothing to do with the chosen actor's hue of skin. I couldn't give a flying fuck about that.

It is just that to get the type of viewer like me interested again I feel one needs profile. Eccleston had that profile. In fact, i couldn't believe they could afford him, but was so glad the BBC forked out the cash for him.

In retrospect, maybe Eccleston needed the work, because while I thought his time as the baddie in, 'gone in 60 seconds' was going to be his time in hollywood, it didn't work out that way. I don't think hollywood likes actors with their own thoughts and opinions. Park that for now though, as that is another story.

But back to the subject of profile, Eccleston had it, hollywood back to the beep brought me in. This dude though, that they have chosen, I don't know who he is. From all accounts from the people that have seen him, say he is a fucking brilliant actor. Unfortunately, I haven't seen him in anything.

Now if it was Iris Elba (I know, how the fuck could they afford him? he is mega) as the Doctor, then I am sitting down for that.

I am not a fud though (at least I think I am not), I get the challenge here and the argument. It is a vicious circle, because minorities do not get the screen time that their caucasian cousins do, then without some sort of affirmative type action, how are we going to redress the balanace?

I know, hard to sort. I am terrible with remembering actor's names, it takes for me to be exposed to them in a wide variety of pictures before their real name sticks in my head. So I have seen minority actors in great series such as, "top boy" that could probably do the Doctor who role justice. The lassie from mostly channel 4 drama and comedy series, "Michaela Coel" (had to check up her name because of my pish memory) could dae a job tae. Great comedic turn of phrase she has, which would be great when faced with a huge fucking Dalek lol. This would also carry on solving the gender mismatch too. Ticking another PC box.

Any thoughts peeps?

"

Who was Matt Smith before doctor who?

David Tennant was hardly a house hold name before he flew the big blue box...I don't really care as long as the script are better less preachy and not full of gender politics I will give him a shot...but I think The Doctor is beyond life Support and no amount of regenerations will say this show any more but good luck to Russell T David to try.

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By *nverMan
over a year ago

....down the Rabbit Hole with a shotgun

I'm not bothered if the new Dr Who is male, female, black, white, yellow, red, green, brown or mauve with pink polka dots.

The last Doctor, Jody Whittaker, was utterly banal and the story lines were equally so.

Not seen the the new Doctor, so don't know what to expect. But, I hope that he makes a better job of it than the previous incumbent!!!!

Absolutely agree that Idris Elba would make an awesome job of it. How about Michael Sheen?

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By *eyondThePale OP   Man
over a year ago

Paisley


"“If the minorities feel they are under represented on tv and film…” Hardly a feeling though, is it? It’s a fact.

Why bring up the fact he’s black multiple times if it’s not something you have an issue with and you don’t even care about the show?

He’s been cast because he’s popular, relatable and a great actor. Isn’t that enough? He’s also a main character in Sex Education, a show that’s been top on Netflix for all 3 seasons so far."

I am always try to follow the Japanese philosophy of, 'Kaizen' which translated is constant and never ending improvement in things that matter.

Good conduct matters to me. Help to improve me here if you will. I reread my opening gambit to find where I mention the actors skin colour and I could not find it. I was addressing two things; One. Using lead Actor profile as a method for attracting, 'floating viewers' like me. Two - while trying to redress the underrepresented minorities in such roles.

For example Iris Elba that I mentioned is incredibly high profile and part of a minority group. What a solution that would be, but it would cost too much of the TV licence money to justify paying Mr Elba's high profile salary.

Furthermore, the opening post wasn't focused on just one minority group here, it was all minority groups. Sorry if I never communicated that effectively I will try to learn for discussing similar matters in the future.

Love, Beyond x

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By *eyondThePale OP   Man
over a year ago

Paisley


"This could be a potentially contentious issue to discuss but I don't think it should be perceived as such. Maybe I am being naive here. I am all for change. If the minorities feel they are under represented on tv and film then now is a time to change that dynamic.

Now, for context, which is so important, I am not a, 'real' Doctor Who fan. Rather, to use political parlance, instead of, 'floating voter' I am a somewhat of a 'floating viewer'. I tuned in when the superb Christopher Eccleston was the Doctor and then tuned back out when he left.

So if the BBC is trying to grab new viewers they are not going to get me here. Now this is nothing to do with the chosen actor's hue of skin. I couldn't give a flying fuck about that.

It is just that to get the type of viewer like me interested again I feel one needs profile. Eccleston had that profile. In fact, i couldn't believe they could afford him, but was so glad the BBC forked out the cash for him.

In retrospect, maybe Eccleston needed the work, because while I thought his time as the baddie in, 'gone in 60 seconds' was going to be his time in hollywood, it didn't work out that way. I don't think hollywood likes actors with their own thoughts and opinions. Park that for now though, as that is another story.

But back to the subject of profile, Eccleston had it, hollywood back to the beep brought me in. This dude though, that they have chosen, I don't know who he is. From all accounts from the people that have seen him, say he is a fucking brilliant actor. Unfortunately, I haven't seen him in anything.

Now if it was Iris Elba (I know, how the fuck could they afford him? he is mega) as the Doctor, then I am sitting down for that.

I am not a fud though (at least I think I am not), I get the challenge here and the argument. It is a vicious circle, because minorities do not get the screen time that their caucasian cousins do, then without some sort of affirmative type action, how are we going to redress the balanace?

I know, hard to sort. I am terrible with remembering actor's names, it takes for me to be exposed to them in a wide variety of pictures before their real name sticks in my head. So I have seen minority actors in great series such as, "top boy" that could probably do the Doctor who role justice. The lassie from mostly channel 4 drama and comedy series, "Michaela Coel" (had to check up her name because of my pish memory) could dae a job tae. Great comedic turn of phrase she has, which would be great when faced with a huge fucking Dalek lol. This would also carry on solving the gender mismatch too. Ticking another PC box.

Any thoughts peeps?

Who was Matt Smith before doctor who?

David Tennant was hardly a house hold name before he flew the big blue box...I don't really care as long as the script are better less preachy and not full of gender politics I will give him a shot...but I think The Doctor is beyond life Support and no amount of regenerations will say this show any more but good luck to Russell T David to try. "

Great points and a great rebuttal to my opening post. I see that you are pointing out that high actor profile doesn't necessary translate into high product (tv series the product here) success.

In fact it could be the opposite, the success of the series in turn is what raises the profile of the actors. Great point and perfectly illustrated with David Tennant's career trajectory. Over to you Russell T David, good luck fella.

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By *eyondThePale OP   Man
over a year ago

Paisley


"I'm not bothered if the new Dr Who is male, female, black, white, yellow, red, green, brown or mauve with pink polka dots.

The last Doctor, Jody Whittaker, was utterly banal and the story lines were equally so.

Not seen the the new Doctor, so don't know what to expect. But, I hope that he makes a better job of it than the previous incumbent!!!!

Absolutely agree that Idris Elba would make an awesome job of it. How about Michael Sheen? "

Michael Sheen what a shout that is! I can see him in my minds eye now in the role already. Even looks like the Doctor's of the past. That performance when he acted as the late great Brian Clough: the posture, the deliberate mannerisms, the inner almost arrogance would transfer so well as the Doctor who character we know and love.

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By *ellinever70Woman
over a year ago

Ayrshire

Which underrepresented minorities were you referring to in your original post?

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By *eyondThePale OP   Man
over a year ago

Paisley


"Which underrepresented minorities were you referring to in your original post?"

Them all and discussing how the BBC goes about sorting it.

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By *abygirl6969TV/TS
over a year ago

edinburgh

‘This post isn’t about race‘... immediately goes on to talk about race. Including bringing idris alba into it. Who says ‘hue of skin’? Next youll be saying coloured people. He is black. Just say that.

You’re not a serious watcher so why do you care so very much.

You don’t know the actor nor what they are capable of as an actor but you want someone high profile that you personally know and like and who is ‘worth the money’.....So youre basically saying the actor is a lightweight but you have no basis to judge that?

Wtaf?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He played a great part in Sex Education I think he'll be a good doctor

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Think he's good in Sex Education.

Probs won't watch it though cause I don't follow Dr Who.

"

Oh so that's the new doctor who.

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