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"I heard it as well. I'd say yes. If it wasn't they would have named the speaker, they would have it had been a positive story. " * If it had... | |||
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"Its getting to the point where jokes will be outlawed as somewhere or someone is/was offended by it, if you gather lots of males in one room you're going to get sexist jokes about females it's part of being male and 9 times out of 10 the jokes are seen solely as that..a joke, bit of banter! But in this woke crazy world those days are now numbered,sad reflection on our society that people can't take a joke anymore.. "So if the room is 90% male and 10% female (as I think was the case here from what I've read) it's ok to play to the room and make 10% feel extremely uncomfortable? You're a Celtic fan, yeah? (So am I btw so not having a dig  ). Would you feel different if the jokes made were bordering on sectarian? Room of guys together....just banter? | |||
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"Its getting to the point where jokes will be outlawed as somewhere or someone is/was offended by it, if you gather lots of males in one room you're going to get sexist jokes about females it's part of being male and 9 times out of 10 the jokes are seen solely as that..a joke, bit of banter! But in this woke crazy world those days are now numbered,sad reflection on our society that people can't take a joke anymore.. "If a man is having to rely on misogynistic or sexist jokes to get laughs from an audience, chances are his humour is lazy and unimaginative | |||
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"Scottish football is changing for the better however until a certain generation fall out of management and journalistic positions we wont see real change. Jobs for the boys / bowling club mentality is still very much alive unfortunately and this allows sexism, racism and bigotry to remain in our game. Would make you sick." Wooaaah. Leave bowling clubs out of this. Ours has had a healthy swinging scene all the way back to the 70s  | |||
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"Its getting to the point where jokes will be outlawed as somewhere or someone is/was offended by it, if you gather lots of males in one room you're going to get sexist jokes about females it's part of being male and 9 times out of 10 the jokes are seen solely as that..a joke, bit of banter! But in this woke crazy world those days are now numbered,sad reflection on our society that people can't take a joke anymore..
So if the room is 90% male and 10% female (as I think was the case here from what I've read) it's ok to play to the room and make 10% feel extremely uncomfortable?
You're a Celtic fan, yeah? (So am I btw so not having a dig ). Would you feel different if the jokes made were bordering on sectarian? Room of guys together....just banter?"It wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference to me, football sectarianism has been around for decades and in truth will always be around but its banter between 2 sets of opposition team supporters, no one I know has ever died by banter, yes some go over the top but thats nothing to do with banter they are nutters in every other aspects of their lives.sad individuals who get a kick out of upsetting someone. | |||
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"Its getting to the point where jokes will be outlawed as somewhere or someone is/was offended by it, if you gather lots of males in one room you're going to get sexist jokes about females it's part of being male and 9 times out of 10 the jokes are seen solely as that..a joke, bit of banter! But in this woke crazy world those days are now numbered,sad reflection on our society that people can't take a joke anymore..
If a man is having to rely on misogynistic or sexist jokes to get laughs from an audience, chances are his humour is lazy and unimaginative "That rules out every comedian these days then. | |||
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"Scottish football is changing for the better however until a certain generation fall out of management and journalistic positions we wont see real change. Jobs for the boys / bowling club mentality is still very much alive unfortunately and this allows sexism, racism and bigotry to remain in our game. Would make you sick. Wooaaah. Leave bowling clubs out of this. Ours has had a healthy swinging scene all the way back to the 70s "I think I need to join a bowling club - thanks for the tip. | |||
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"Its getting to the point where jokes will be outlawed as somewhere or someone is/was offended by it, if you gather lots of males in one room you're going to get sexist jokes about females it's part of being male and 9 times out of 10 the jokes are seen solely as that..a joke, bit of banter! But in this woke crazy world those days are now numbered,sad reflection on our society that people can't take a joke anymore..
So if the room is 90% male and 10% female (as I think was the case here from what I've read) it's ok to play to the room and make 10% feel extremely uncomfortable?
You're a Celtic fan, yeah? (So am I btw so not having a dig ). Would you feel different if the jokes made were bordering on sectarian? Room of guys together....just banter?"I heard about it miss muff but not what was said. Do you have any details of what was so offensive that made 10 % of the audience so extremely uncomfortable.? Its important to clarify this before giving my opinion on your question. | |||
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"Its getting to the point where jokes will be outlawed as somewhere or someone is/was offended by it, if you gather lots of males in one room you're going to get sexist jokes about females it's part of being male and 9 times out of 10 the jokes are seen solely as that..a joke, bit of banter! But in this woke crazy world those days are now numbered,sad reflection on our society that people can't take a joke anymore..
So if the room is 90% male and 10% female (as I think was the case here from what I've read) it's ok to play to the room and make 10% feel extremely uncomfortable?
You're a Celtic fan, yeah? (So am I btw so not having a dig ). Would you feel different if the jokes made were bordering on sectarian? Room of guys together....just banter?
I heard about it miss muff but not what was said. Do you have any details of what was so offensive that made 10 % of the audience so extremely uncomfortable.? Its important to clarify this before giving my opinion on your question. "I watched Scotland tonight last night and the lady who was the guest attended the award ceremony,it was noted by her that not one female left offended by the jokes until after his speech was finished, so it was offensive after the fact but not during it?? On another note why was it only 1 female that left? Surely all females would have gone if it was really that offensive? Just my opinion but this smacks of double standards, I've watched live performances from female comedians say the same things about men but we dont go running to the media to make a complaint about it. | |||
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"Scottish football is changing for the better however until a certain generation fall out of management and journalistic positions we wont see real change. Jobs for the boys / bowling club mentality is still very much alive unfortunately and this allows sexism, racism and bigotry to remain in our game. Would make you sick. Wooaaah. Leave bowling clubs out of this. Ours has had a healthy swinging scene all the way back to the 70s
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"Listening to the Radio Scotland phone in yesterday about the Scottish Football Writers' Awards. Female journalist, Eilidh Barbour, walked out after the after dinner speaker made a number of sexist & misogynistic jokes. Other attendees have said racist and homophobic references were made in jokes. Is Scotland misogynistic? We need to find another word here because the word misogynist is being hijacked and used incorrectly. The definition of misogyny is quite simply, 'men hate women'. That is it, nothing more. Bill Copland the speaker in question is a retired criminal defense lawyer. Bill is married, worked with and defended women as well as caring for his mother before she passed away. The man obviously does not hate women. Now could he be sexist? Ah now that is different and can be explored further. To give more context, he put through my first mortgage (even though it is not his preferred domain, his office used to be in Hamilton) as our family has ties to the after speaking industry (I have family that manage many acts in Scotland, Bill is not one of them, although he has picked up some work via my extended family). To give more context of Bill's style of speaking he is really not good, to put it simply. Bill reads a list of jokes he has collected and stolen from other comedians from the circuit and reads them verbatim. He has stolen John Gahagan's material, Joe Camay's material, Tam cowan's, Jimmy Sterling's and the list goes on and on. This is not unusual btw, ex footballers (except for Gahagan) for example, because it is not their skill, regularly steal material from those that can do it better. It is important to point out Bill's comedic weakness here because by simply reading the same list of jokes for 20 or 30 minutes that he does at every booking means it is not tailored to the audience in question that a more skilled orator would have identified. Bill uses jokes that Gahagan or Camany (known as the funniest but bluest comedians in the circuit) would have maybe used in a stag night at a rugby club for example. First of all Gaigs or Camay would not have been booked for the sportsman dinner venue because of their reputation but if they were, they would have tried their best to, 'soften the blows' or at least get the venue to put a disclaimer beforehand of what they may expect. So the sportsman dinner failed on two accounts here, they didn't get the right speaker in to work the room a little bit softer and they didn't feed back to the speaker that there are certain things that are allowed and there are certain things that are not to be mocked. They will fix that for next year you can bet. It will probably be a female speaker such as Susan Calman (the diminutive women of the Royal bank of Scotland adverts) but she will probably end up, 'dieing on her arse' due to the heavy football near baby boomer male audience. This is not a night at the apollo folks, or even Jongleurs, the audience are very different. So, 'go woke, go broke' might happen here. Scottish writers football dinners no more maybe? However, to go back to the night in question it is not quite black and white (nothing ever is) as what is being portrayed. I have spoken to loads of people that were there and Bill for all intensive purposes went down a storm!! Eilidh and the other table were the only ones that left, the other 180 people or so were roaring with laughter. If you look on Eilidh's twitter feed, she doesn't actually point out what was said, which is kind of important, don't you think? I was trying to find out what the actual joke was that made her walk out. The journalists and agents I spoke to think it was the Tam Cowan gag he knocked. Which I will show you now. It is hard to write it down here because as Jimmy Carr says if you read a joke written down (how else would you read it? lol) then you haven't really understood the joke because there is context that is not there and you don't get to hear the intonation and all the other tools a skilled comedian/speaker uses. But I will try my best. This gag in written form is not that affective but done by a skilled speaker like Cowan is very funny and actually very benign as well which will become apparent. Right to give some more context it is really a scottish male football audience right? So Cowan's joke is about women's football and it goes something like this, 'I was at the women's fitba watching Motherwell women (Tam is a huge Motherwell fan) playing Glasgow City women and I said to the supporter next to me..............IT IS A GREAT GAME ISN'T?' (the other fan is fucking miles away lol!) That is the joke. Not very good written down right? But done live without having one's head down reading from a script (that Bill does) but rather acting it out like Tam does can be very funny. For those that are struggling with the written form of the joke, the tag line is to mock the fact that women's football is nowhere near the standard of the mens which is reflected in the fact that no one goes to see it. So to talk to the fan closest to you, one has to shout across the stadium! So as you will appreciate, acted out can be really funny. Now, the guys I have spoke to think this is what made Eilidh walk because the rest of the room (mostly men) are falling off their chairs with laughter. If the joke was met with indifference by the audience the guys there suspect Eilidh would have stayed put, but rather she was annoyed that the men found it funny and walked out because of that. That is why she used the phrase, 'felt unwelcome'. However, anyone that feels they are the butt of the joke surley feels like that (someone has to be the butt of the joke do they not?), but most of us realise the joker is not serious and most of us do not walk out. In fact the yanks go even further than this and have a thing called, 'roasting' where a celebrity sits in the middle and comedians take turns ripping the cunt out of them and the celebrity has to take it in good spirits. For example, Charlie Sheen's roast was excellent, Charlie took it all like a star. Now that most of you are aware that is far nearer what went down, does it merit being discussed on national news at 6.30 on the BBC? The joke is first of all very gentle, and second of all a fact! The amount of people that view woman's football is significantly less than the men's game. That may change as more money and the more dedication women put into learning the game, but for now that is the situation. To put this disparity into context. An under 15 year old (14 years old) boys amature team gubbed the Austrian professional national women's football team about 6 nil! Women have a long way to go to get the man's level of expertise. So is it meritied to get offended by that? Sure it may be annoying getting that pointed out to you in joke form and for the men to laugh at it but to cry misogyny is surely wrong. It is a joke for christ sake! There is another thread about, 'office flirting' in here that has made men being fearful of a similar backlash to innocuous, comedic comments in a flirting situation. Most men in that situation are opting to say nothing at all, maybe that is the way we are heading with speakers and comedians too? However, as I said it is not all black and white. To play devil's advocate for a second I do see the context it which perhaps Eilidh is coming from. This dinner is invite only and it is considered mandatory to attend if you get an invite. I would bet Eilidh didn't really want to go, or rather wasn't that keen to be in the room with a whole load of men and for there to be, 'entertainment' in the form of a comedian or speaker. However, the vast majority of the room do like that format, given that it was been done this way for over 30 odd years. So what does the venue do? Cater for the majority or the minority? That is where the saying, 'go woke go broke' comes from. If a business caters for the minority view rather than the majority it inevitably ends up loses the majority and goes out of business. The consequences to this mock outrage has already compelled the agency that takes care of Bill to take him off their books, so that is his retirement income stream fucked now. He will be alright, he made some decent coin via his years of a lawyer and will no doubt spend more time on the golf course but no wonder agents are struggling to attract new acts! What happened to Dave Chappelle recently (a member of the audience was armed with a knife and jumped him on stage) sets a very unhealthy precedent. Trying to kill people for jokes? Wtf???? So to go back to the original question, is Scotland misogynist? If this journalist dinner is the context to serve as a reflection to answer that question then obviously not. Is Scotland sexist? Yes maybe, but that audience remember is almost the boomer generation (50s to even some 70 year olds), the ones coming up behind them clearly have been taught to see things differently. So that will get better. Of course still a way to go with many twists and turns to come and sexism is an important issue to discuss but not in this context I am afraid. It was a whole load of nothing made to be something it wasn't. Love, Beyond xxx " Lol that made my brain hurt reading all that without a much needed beer in my hand but I have to agree with most of what you said, you made a compelling argument that is very hard to disagree with but this is coming from me a male,female may think otherwise. Female football does get some stick but then again so does mens football, teams in the lower divisions for example are the butt of most jokes when I'm in the company of my male m8s but as I've said previously it's banter.. Scotland is not misogynistic no more than it is racist just because 1 guy tells a joke about female footballers, it's ridiculous that we would even be saying it but times and attitudes are changing and imo not for the better. | |||
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"I heard it as well. I'd say yes. If it wasn't they would have named the speaker, they would have it had been a positive story. * If it had..." They did name him. And i think we need a serious debate on what misogny is. His jokes were distasteful..lazy..unimaginative..but dont think that makes Scotland misogynistic. It may well be..but this doesnt define if it is or not. | |||
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"Whether in relation to misogyny, racism, homophones, bigotry etc, what is it that makes some so reluctant to be a bit more mindful of how what they say can be perceived?" Homophones should be homophobia  | |||
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"Virtue Signalling is the new pastime. Snowflakes displaying faux outrage for attention. Pathetic." No it is just called respect, Im sure you expect people to respect you in life. | |||
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"People need to realise the difference between a joke and reality. Being from Ireland I've heard (and told) all the Irishman/Paddy jokes around and never once been offended or thought the rest of the world think all Irish people are thick. P "Ok tell me the history of jokes about the English? Not looking to start a personal argument. | |||
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"I heard it as well. I'd say yes. If it wasn't they would have named the speaker, they would have it had been a positive story. * If it had... They did name him. And i think we need a serious debate on what misogny is. His jokes were distasteful..lazy..unimaginative..but dont think that makes Scotland misogynistic. It may well be..but this doesnt define if it is or not. " I didn't know they had named him but I only saw the news late last night and you only get snippets. Women have only recently been allow to go to this event which in itself has a misogynistic air to it. He was or still is a QC and therefore should have known the after effects of his speech. Looking after his mother and representing females doesn't exclude him from being a misogynist, lawyers are trained to argue both sides. I thought there was more than one female that left during his speech, Alison Walker wasn't aware of them leaving as she was directly in front of him, but she stated she felt uncomfortable with him speech. Radio Scotland had a male journalist on as well, I can't remember his name, who stopped going to this awards ceremony about 20 years ago because of the nature of the event. | |||
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"I heard it as well. I'd say yes. If it wasn't they would have named the speaker, they would have it had been a positive story. * If it had... They did name him. And i think we need a serious debate on what misogny is. His jokes were distasteful..lazy..unimaginative..but dont think that makes Scotland misogynistic. It may well be..but this doesnt define if it is or not. I didn't know they had named him but I only saw the news late last night and you only get snippets. Women have only recently been allow to go to this event which in itself has a misogynistic air to it. He was or still is a QC and therefore should have known the after effects of his speech. Looking after his mother and representing females doesn't exclude him from being a misogynist, lawyers are trained to argue both sides. I thought there was more than one female that left during his speech, Alison Walker wasn't aware of them leaving as she was directly in front of him, but she stated she felt uncomfortable with him speech. Radio Scotland had a male journalist on as well, I can't remember his name, who stopped going to this awards ceremony about 20 years ago because of the nature of the event. " Again, we have to agree with what we are defining here. Misogynist and sexism get conflated. They are different. Misogyny simply means the men that hate women and the women are unfairly prejudiced because of that said hate. Obviously he doesn't hate women, he married one for fucks sake!! Would be a pretty stupid decision would it not if he was actually a misogynist? He might dislike certain women, but so do we all. Just like we dislike other men, just like we dislike certain children and on and on we go, doesn't make us misogynists or that we hate all men or children does it? Hate, dislike, like or love is at an individual level and so it fucking should be. Now it may transpire that the Oxford Dictionary has to amend the definition of misogynist to mean what some people are interpreting it to mean. That has happened before. The word, 'ignorant' initially meant, 'to not know' but people started using it to describe someone as, 'selfish, careless, or rude'. Consequently, Oxford added this as a second, informal meaning. Until that happens, with the word misogyny, solutions can not be found because everyone is arguing from a different interpretation. Words matter. A lot! Sexism though, which is no laughing matter (good one Beyond lol) can be discussed here, but is a male speaker/comedian making jokes about women, sexist? If it is, then at the same time, is a female speaker/comedian making jokes at the expense of men also sexist? Again if the answer to both of these questions are yes, then what are we to do? Not make any jokes that may upset the sexes? If we go down this road, how far does this go? What becomes ok to joke about? Cats? Dogs? You see where this is going? That is why it is important to discuss because if these sort of things are not given context, it leads to a sort of, '1984 thought police' which is very dangerous. If one does not have access to freedom of speech, then one cannot air one's views and get feedback on said views to find out if one's thoughts are in line with the zeitgeist or not. We then start to live in our heads without a chance to filter our thoughts. Man a society like that sounds like fun does it not? "In other news, here is Bill with the weather" lol (The late, great Bill Hicks, rip). | |||
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"Perhaps it's useful to think of misogyny as entrenched prejudices against women that can even manifest in jokes, rather than the more literal definition " So does misogyny only apply to men hating females? If that's the case and your answer is yes then what is the male version called? | |||
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"Perhaps it's useful to think of misogyny as entrenched prejudices against women that can even manifest in jokes, rather than the more literal definition So does misogyny only apply to men hating females? If that's the case and your answer is yes then what is the male version called? " Google will have your answer | |||
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"If a comedian has to resort to sexist and homophobic jokes then there’s no place for them at a function for an organisation who is striving to work for equality and inclusion. " I actually agree. I wrote a massive post that I don't expect anyone to read, but I tried to give a high resolution answer to the situation that transpired. I would blame not the speaker in question, but the venue. The venue should have got in a person that does in fact reflect what the organisation is trying to achieve. My bet is next year the speaker will be female, someone like Susan Calman (the diminutive comedian from the Royal Bank Of Scotland adverts). She or whoever does it might struggle to go down well, but it might be the way we have to go to change things if that is what the people want. Bill Copland was the wrong guy, he usually does burns type nights, golf clubs etc - he himself must have needed the money otherwise I don't know why he took it or why the venue approached him. Speakers that are far more cut throat than him, always have knocked this gig back. Bill Burr the famous american comic regularly talks about corporate gigs being the worst type of gig a comic can do. | |||
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"Its getting to the point where jokes will be outlawed as somewhere or someone is/was offended by it, if you gather lots of males in one room you're going to get sexist jokes about females it's part of being male and 9 times out of 10 the jokes are seen solely as that..a joke, bit of banter! But in this woke crazy world those days are now numbered,sad reflection on our society that people can't take a joke anymore..
So if the room is 90% male and 10% female (as I think was the case here from what I've read) it's ok to play to the room and make 10% feel extremely uncomfortable?
You're a Celtic fan, yeah? (So am I btw so not having a dig ). Would you feel different if the jokes made were bordering on sectarian? Room of guys together....just banter?
I heard about it miss muff but not what was said. Do you have any details of what was so offensive that made 10 % of the audience so extremely uncomfortable.? Its important to clarify this before giving my opinion on your question. "I can't find exact details of what he said. Doesn't appear to have been reported online. During the BBC Scotland Key Adams show though, several men called in who have heard the speaker before and said that his stuff goes too far. | |||
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"Perhaps it's useful to think of misogyny as entrenched prejudices against women that can even manifest in jokes, rather than the more literal definition So does misogyny only apply to men hating females? If that's the case and your answer is yes then what is the male version called? Google will have your answer " I'd rather get your answer, Googles not always correct.  | |||
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"Listening to the Radio Scotland phone in yesterday about the Scottish Football Writers' Awards. Female journalist, Eilidh Barbour, walked out after the after dinner speaker made a number of sexist & misogynistic jokes. Other attendees have said racist and homophobic references were made in jokes. Is Scotland misogynistic? We need to find another word here because the word misogynist is being hijacked and used incorrectly. The definition of misogyny is quite simply, 'men hate women'. That is it, nothing more. Bill Copland the speaker in question is a retired criminal defense lawyer. Bill is married, worked with and defended women as well as caring for his mother before she passed away. The man obviously does not hate women. Now could he be sexist? Ah now that is different and can be explored further. To give more context, he put through my first mortgage (even though it is not his preferred domain, his office used to be in Hamilton) as our family has ties to the after speaking industry (I have family that manage many acts in Scotland, Bill is not one of them, although he has picked up some work via my extended family). To give more context of Bill's style of speaking he is really not good, to put it simply. Bill reads a list of jokes he has collected and stolen from other comedians from the circuit and reads them verbatim. He has stolen John Gahagan's material, Joe Camay's material, Tam cowan's, Jimmy Sterling's and the list goes on and on. This is not unusual btw, ex footballers (except for Gahagan) for example, because it is not their skill, regularly steal material from those that can do it better. It is important to point out Bill's comedic weakness here because by simply reading the same list of jokes for 20 or 30 minutes that he does at every booking means it is not tailored to the audience in question that a more skilled orator would have identified. Bill uses jokes that Gahagan or Camany (known as the funniest but bluest comedians in the circuit) would have maybe used in a stag night at a rugby club for example. First of all Gaigs or Camay would not have been booked for the sportsman dinner venue because of their reputation but if they were, they would have tried their best to, 'soften the blows' or at least get the venue to put a disclaimer beforehand of what they may expect. So the sportsman dinner failed on two accounts here, they didn't get the right speaker in to work the room a little bit softer and they didn't feed back to the speaker that there are certain things that are allowed and there are certain things that are not to be mocked. They will fix that for next year you can bet. It will probably be a female speaker such as Susan Calman (the diminutive women of the Royal bank of Scotland adverts) but she will probably end up, 'dieing on her arse' due to the heavy football near baby boomer male audience. This is not a night at the apollo folks, or even Jongleurs, the audience are very different. So, 'go woke, go broke' might happen here. Scottish writers football dinners no more maybe? However, to go back to the night in question it is not quite black and white (nothing ever is) as what is being portrayed. I have spoken to loads of people that were there and Bill for all intensive purposes went down a storm!! Eilidh and the other table were the only ones that left, the other 180 people or so were roaring with laughter. If you look on Eilidh's twitter feed, she doesn't actually point out what was said, which is kind of important, don't you think? I was trying to find out what the actual joke was that made her walk out. The journalists and agents I spoke to think it was the Tam Cowan gag he knocked. Which I will show you now. It is hard to write it down here because as Jimmy Carr says if you read a joke written down (how else would you read it? lol) then you haven't really understood the joke because there is context that is not there and you don't get to hear the intonation and all the other tools a skilled comedian/speaker uses. But I will try my best. This gag in written form is not that affective but done by a skilled speaker like Cowan is very funny and actually very benign as well which will become apparent. Right to give some more context it is really a scottish male football audience right? So Cowan's joke is about women's football and it goes something like this, 'I was at the women's fitba watching Motherwell women (Tam is a huge Motherwell fan) playing Glasgow City women and I said to the supporter next to me..............IT IS A GREAT GAME ISN'T?' (the other fan is fucking miles away lol!) That is the joke. Not very good written down right? But done live without having one's head down reading from a script (that Bill does) but rather acting it out like Tam does can be very funny. For those that are struggling with the written form of the joke, the tag line is to mock the fact that women's football is nowhere near the standard of the mens which is reflected in the fact that no one goes to see it. So to talk to the fan closest to you, one has to shout across the stadium! So as you will appreciate, acted out can be really funny. Now, the guys I have spoke to think this is what made Eilidh walk because the rest of the room (mostly men) are falling off their chairs with laughter. If the joke was met with indifference by the audience the guys there suspect Eilidh would have stayed put, but rather she was annoyed that the men found it funny and walked out because of that. That is why she used the phrase, 'felt unwelcome'. However, anyone that feels they are the butt of the joke surley feels like that (someone has to be the butt of the joke do they not?), but most of us realise the joker is not serious and most of us do not walk out. In fact the yanks go even further than this and have a thing called, 'roasting' where a celebrity sits in the middle and comedians take turns ripping the cunt out of them and the celebrity has to take it in good spirits. For example, Charlie Sheen's roast was excellent, Charlie took it all like a star. Now that most of you are aware that is far nearer what went down, does it merit being discussed on national news at 6.30 on the BBC? The joke is first of all very gentle, and second of all a fact! The amount of people that view woman's football is significantly less than the men's game. That may change as more money and the more dedication women put into learning the game, but for now that is the situation. To put this disparity into context. An under 15 year old (14 years old) boys amature team gubbed the Austrian professional national women's football team about 6 nil! Women have a long way to go to get the man's level of expertise. So is it meritied to get offended by that? Sure it may be annoying getting that pointed out to you in joke form and for the men to laugh at it but to cry misogyny is surely wrong. It is a joke for christ sake! There is another thread about, 'office flirting' in here that has made men being fearful of a similar backlash to innocuous, comedic comments in a flirting situation. Most men in that situation are opting to say nothing at all, maybe that is the way we are heading with speakers and comedians too? However, as I said it is not all black and white. To play devil's advocate for a second I do see the context it which perhaps Eilidh is coming from. This dinner is invite only and it is considered mandatory to attend if you get an invite. I would bet Eilidh didn't really want to go, or rather wasn't that keen to be in the room with a whole load of men and for there to be, 'entertainment' in the form of a comedian or speaker. However, the vast majority of the room do like that format, given that it was been done this way for over 30 odd years. So what does the venue do? Cater for the majority or the minority? That is where the saying, 'go woke go broke' comes from. If a business caters for the minority view rather than the majority it inevitably ends up loses the majority and goes out of business. The consequences to this mock outrage has already compelled the agency that takes care of Bill to take him off their books, so that is his retirement income stream fucked now. He will be alright, he made some decent coin via his years of a lawyer and will no doubt spend more time on the golf course but no wonder agents are struggling to attract new acts! What happened to Dave Chappelle recently (a member of the audience was armed with a knife and jumped him on stage) sets a very unhealthy precedent. Trying to kill people for jokes? Wtf???? So to go back to the original question, is Scotland misogynist? If this journalist dinner is the context to serve as a reflection to answer that question then obviously not. Is Scotland sexist? Yes maybe, but that audience remember is almost the boomer generation (50s to even some 70 year olds), the ones coming up behind them clearly have been taught to see things differently. So that will get better. Of course still a way to go with many twists and turns to come and sexism is an important issue to discuss but not in this context I am afraid. It was a whole load of nothing made to be something it wasn't. Love, Beyond xxx Lol that made my brain hurt reading all that without a much needed beer in my hand but I have to agree with most of what you said, you made a compelling argument that is very hard to disagree with but this is coming from me a male,female may think otherwise. Female football does get some stick but then again so does mens football, teams in the lower divisions for example are the butt of most jokes when I'm in the company of my male m8s but as I've said previously it's banter.. Scotland is not misogynistic no more than it is racist just because 1 guy tells a joke about female footballers, it's ridiculous that we would even be saying it but times and attitudes are changing and imo not for the better." Hope to fuck they don't book Beyond for the after dinner speech next year. Every cunt will be in a coma. | |||
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"People need to realise the difference between a joke and reality. Being from Ireland I've heard (and told) all the Irishman/Paddy jokes around and never once been offended or thought the rest of the world think all Irish people are thick. P
Ok tell me the history of jokes about the English?
Not looking to start a personal argument."I don't profess to know the history of jokes about the English. I don't even know a single joke about the English. | |||
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"Perhaps it's useful to think of misogyny as entrenched prejudices against women that can even manifest in jokes, rather than the more literal definition So does misogyny only apply to men hating females? If that's the case and your answer is yes then what is the male version called? Google will have your answer I'd rather get your answer, Googles not always correct. "Sorry to interject here but to speed things up the female equivalent to hating men is, 'misandry'. There is plenty of that going around. Some lesbians notice I say some, 'not all' hate men. I mean really really hate men. So it does exist. Are people starting to see now, there is a difference? This is nearer sexism not misogynist. Bill does not hate women. Are we cool on that yet? lol | |||
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"Perhaps it's useful to think of misogyny as entrenched prejudices against women that can even manifest in jokes, rather than the more literal definition So does misogyny only apply to men hating females? If that's the case and your answer is yes then what is the male version called? Google will have your answer I'd rather get your answer, Googles not always correct.
Sorry to interject here but to speed things up the female equivalent to hating men is, 'misandry'. There is plenty of that going around. Some lesbians notice I say some, 'not all' hate men. I mean really really hate men. So it does exist. Are people starting to see now, there is a difference? This is nearer sexism not misogynist. Bill does not hate women. Are we cool on that yet? lol "Suppose we just have to take your word for it. Tell him to stick to mortgages as I laughed more the last time I stood on a plug than I did at his joke. | |||
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"Lol Miss Muff. I put myself to sleep, good sleep aid I tell you lol. At least my review will be, "beyond was fucking pish, but he didn't offend anyone.........I am begging to be offended now!' lol | |||
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Lol Miss Muff. I put myself to sleep, good sleep aid I tell you lol. At least my review will be, "beyond was fucking pish, but he didn't offend anyone.........I am begging to be offended now!' lol"Stick around....sure I can muster something up! | |||
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"Perhaps it's useful to think of misogyny as entrenched prejudices against women that can even manifest in jokes, rather than the more literal definition So does misogyny only apply to men hating females? If that's the case and your answer is yes then what is the male version called? Google will have your answer I'd rather get your answer, Googles not always correct.
Sorry to interject here but to speed things up the female equivalent to hating men is, 'misandry'. There is plenty of that going around. Some lesbians notice I say some, 'not all' hate men. I mean really really hate men. So it does exist. Are people starting to see now, there is a difference? This is nearer sexism not misogynist. Bill does not hate women. Are we cool on that yet? lol "There's a touch of casual misogyny about some of your remarks  | |||
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Lol Miss Muff. I put myself to sleep, good sleep aid I tell you lol. At least my review will be, "beyond was fucking pish, but he didn't offend anyone.........I am begging to be offended now!' lol
Stick around....sure I can muster something up!"Indeed, i have seen your unique, 'turn of phrase' on these forums and have laughed hard at some as a result. Luckily or unluckily as the case may be, self- deprecation runs through my veins, I have even tried to offend myself with limited results. Watch this,'I am an introspective masturbator.........I cum on my own face" I have now mildly offended myself, must try better lol. | |||
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"Perhaps it's useful to think of misogyny as entrenched prejudices against women that can even manifest in jokes, rather than the more literal definition So does misogyny only apply to men hating females? If that's the case and your answer is yes then what is the male version called? Google will have your answer I'd rather get your answer, Googles not always correct.
Sorry to interject here but to speed things up the female equivalent to hating men is, 'misandry'. There is plenty of that going around. Some lesbians notice I say some, 'not all' hate men. I mean really really hate men. So it does exist. Are people starting to see now, there is a difference? This is nearer sexism not misogynist. Bill does not hate women. Are we cool on that yet? lol
There's a touch of casual misogyny about some of your remarks "And there's nothing casual in the way you regularly accuse men of this , including me but never seem to point out women doing it to men. I suppose turning a blind eye to some things and making accusations to others is OK  | |||
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"Perhaps it's useful to think of misogyny as entrenched prejudices against women that can even manifest in jokes, rather than the more literal definition So does misogyny only apply to men hating females? If that's the case and your answer is yes then what is the male version called? Google will have your answer I'd rather get your answer, Googles not always correct.
Sorry to interject here but to speed things up the female equivalent to hating men is, 'misandry'. There is plenty of that going around. Some lesbians notice I say some, 'not all' hate men. I mean really really hate men. So it does exist. Are people starting to see now, there is a difference? This is nearer sexism not misogynist. Bill does not hate women. Are we cool on that yet? lol
There's a touch of casual misogyny about some of your remarks
And there's nothing casual in the way you regularly accuse men of this , including me but never seem to point out women doing it to men. I suppose turning a blind eye to some things and making accusations to others is OK "Nae hijackin. Start your own fucking thread about misandry. | |||
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"Listening to the Radio Scotland phone in yesterday about the Scottish Football Writers' Awards. Female journalist, Eilidh Barbour, walked out after the after dinner speaker made a number of sexist & misogynistic jokes. Other attendees have said racist and homophobic references were made in jokes. Is Scotland misogynistic?" No. Now get back in your workshop and make me a sandwich.  | |||
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"Perhaps it's useful to think of misogyny as entrenched prejudices against women that can even manifest in jokes, rather than the more literal definition So does misogyny only apply to men hating females? If that's the case and your answer is yes then what is the male version called? Google will have your answer I'd rather get your answer, Googles not always correct.
Sorry to interject here but to speed things up the female equivalent to hating men is, 'misandry'. There is plenty of that going around. Some lesbians notice I say some, 'not all' hate men. I mean really really hate men. So it does exist. Are people starting to see now, there is a difference? This is nearer sexism not misogynist. Bill does not hate women. Are we cool on that yet? lol
There's a touch of casual misogyny about some of your remarks
And there's nothing casual in the way you regularly accuse men of this , including me but never seem to point out women doing it to men. I suppose turning a blind eye to some things and making accusations to others is OK "Couldn't have put it better myself  | |||
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" So does misogyny only apply to men hating females? " No. Misogyny is "a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women." Women can be misogynists too. Absolutely. But a country cannot be a misogynist. That journalist hadn't understood what the word meant. Poor thing. | |||
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"The old firm have a long way to go to catch up with what these days is considered acceptable. Change is a natural, healthy and progressive evolutionary process. Dont follow it, you get left behind and eventually become extinct. I feel so sorry for the women that must have felt so uncomfortable in that bear pit and am genuinely angry at all the men whose aquiesced with this "comedian" rather than doing the right thing and drowning him out by booing him. Scotland shame isnt as simple as bigotry and sectarianism, its about an inability of that section of society to change. " What does the old firm have to do with the OP's question about is scotland misogynistic? You can't blame one idiots joke about female football on rangers or celtic, utter nonsense comment imo | |||
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"The old firm have a long way to go to catch up with what these days is considered acceptable. Change is a natural, healthy and progressive evolutionary process. Dont follow it, you get left behind and eventually become extinct. I feel so sorry for the women that must have felt so uncomfortable in that bear pit and am genuinely angry at all the men whose aquiesced with this "comedian" rather than doing the right thing and drowning him out by booing him. Scotland shame isnt as simple as bigotry and sectarianism, its about an inability of that section of society to change. " How can you as a cisgendered man think that you need to feel sorry for the women in that hall and that dealt with the situation by walking out. What makes you think it was a bear pit when cis women were invited and in attendance . They could have stayed away. | |||
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"The old firm have a long way to go to catch up with what these days is considered acceptable. Change is a natural, healthy and progressive evolutionary process. Dont follow it, you get left behind and eventually become extinct. I feel so sorry for the women that must have felt so uncomfortable in that bear pit and am genuinely angry at all the men whose aquiesced with this "comedian" rather than doing the right thing and drowning him out by booing him. Scotland shame isnt as simple as bigotry and sectarianism, its about an inability of that section of society to change. How can you as a cisgendered man think that you need to feel sorry for the women in that hall and that dealt with the situation by walking out. What makes you think it was a bear pit when cis women were invited and in attendance . They could have stayed away. " Drop the CIS pish. | |||
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"The old firm have a long way to go to catch up with what these days is considered acceptable. Change is a natural, healthy and progressive evolutionary process. Dont follow it, you get left behind and eventually become extinct. I feel so sorry for the women that must have felt so uncomfortable in that bear pit and am genuinely angry at all the men whose aquiesced with this "comedian" rather than doing the right thing and drowning him out by booing him. Scotland shame isnt as simple as bigotry and sectarianism, its about an inability of that section of society to change. What does the old firm have to do with the OP's question about is scotland misogynistic? You can't blame one idiots joke about female football on rangers or celtic, utter nonsense comment imo "In the context of what occured it has everything to do with it. The issue isnt one mans jokes, its about how everyone else reacted. | |||
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"The old firm have a long way to go to catch up with what these days is considered acceptable. Change is a natural, healthy and progressive evolutionary process. Dont follow it, you get left behind and eventually become extinct. I feel so sorry for the women that must have felt so uncomfortable in that bear pit and am genuinely angry at all the men whose aquiesced with this "comedian" rather than doing the right thing and drowning him out by booing him. Scotland shame isnt as simple as bigotry and sectarianism, its about an inability of that section of society to change. How can you as a cisgendered man think that you need to feel sorry for the women in that hall and that dealt with the situation by walking out. What makes you think it was a bear pit when cis women were invited and in attendance . They could have stayed away. " 1. Shut up with the cis pish 2. "They could have stayed away" FFS! | |||
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"The old firm have a long way to go to catch up with what these days is considered acceptable. Change is a natural, healthy and progressive evolutionary process. Dont follow it, you get left behind and eventually become extinct. I feel so sorry for the women that must have felt so uncomfortable in that bear pit and am genuinely angry at all the men whose aquiesced with this "comedian" rather than doing the right thing and drowning him out by booing him. Scotland shame isnt as simple as bigotry and sectarianism, its about an inability of that section of society to change. What does the old firm have to do with the OP's question about is scotland misogynistic? You can't blame one idiots joke about female football on rangers or celtic, utter nonsense comment imo
In the context of what occured it has everything to do with it. The issue isnt one mans jokes, its about how everyone else reacted."Everyone else ? So your saying not one other cis woman in the hall laughed ? | |||
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"The old firm have a long way to go to catch up with what these days is considered acceptable. Change is a natural, healthy and progressive evolutionary process. Dont follow it, you get left behind and eventually become extinct. I feel so sorry for the women that must have felt so uncomfortable in that bear pit and am genuinely angry at all the men whose aquiesced with this "comedian" rather than doing the right thing and drowning him out by booing him. Scotland shame isnt as simple as bigotry and sectarianism, its about an inability of that section of society to change. How can you as a cisgendered man think that you need to feel sorry for the women in that hall and that dealt with the situation by walking out. What makes you think it was a bear pit when cis women were invited and in attendance . They could have stayed away. 1. Shut up with the cis pish 2. "They could have stayed away" FFS!" What are you talking about CIS pish Is that noy going completely against what you said a couple of messages ago. We should embrace change or be left behind. ? Well look at you lmao. Don't you know women are no longer women , their classed as CIS women nowadays. So your fighting for change but only when it suits your preferences. ????? | |||
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"The old firm have a long way to go to catch up with what these days is considered acceptable. Change is a natural, healthy and progressive evolutionary process. Dont follow it, you get left behind and eventually become extinct. I feel so sorry for the women that must have felt so uncomfortable in that bear pit and am genuinely angry at all the men whose aquiesced with this "comedian" rather than doing the right thing and drowning him out by booing him. Scotland shame isnt as simple as bigotry and sectarianism, its about an inability of that section of society to change. What does the old firm have to do with the OP's question about is scotland misogynistic? You can't blame one idiots joke about female football on rangers or celtic, utter nonsense comment imo
In the context of what occured it has everything to do with it. The issue isnt one mans jokes, its about how everyone else reacted.
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"The old firm have a long way to go to catch up with what these days is considered acceptable. Change is a natural, healthy and progressive evolutionary process. Dont follow it, you get left behind and eventually become extinct. I feel so sorry for the women that must have felt so uncomfortable in that bear pit and am genuinely angry at all the men whose aquiesced with this "comedian" rather than doing the right thing and drowning him out by booing him. Scotland shame isnt as simple as bigotry and sectarianism, its about an inability of that section of society to change. How can you as a cisgendered man think that you need to feel sorry for the women in that hall and that dealt with the situation by walking out. What makes you think it was a bear pit when cis women were invited and in attendance . They could have stayed away. 1. Shut up with the cis pish 2. "They could have stayed away" FFS!" My point about women staying away was a joke but you took my bait about calling you a CIS man. Kind of makes you a complete hypocrite.  | |||
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"The old firm have a long way to go to catch up with what these days is considered acceptable. Change is a natural, healthy and progressive evolutionary process. Dont follow it, you get left behind and eventually become extinct. I feel so sorry for the women that must have felt so uncomfortable in that bear pit and am genuinely angry at all the men whose aquiesced with this "comedian" rather than doing the right thing and drowning him out by booing him. Scotland shame isnt as simple as bigotry and sectarianism, its about an inability of that section of society to change. How can you as a cisgendered man think that you need to feel sorry for the women in that hall and that dealt with the situation by walking out. What makes you think it was a bear pit when cis women were invited and in attendance . They could have stayed away. 1. Shut up with the cis pish 2. "They could have stayed away" FFS! What are you talking about CIS pish Is that noy going completely against what you said a couple of messages ago. We should embrace change or be left behind. ? Well look at you lmao. Don't you know women are no longer women , their classed as CIS women nowadays. So your fighting for change but only when it suits your preferences. ????? "I think you will struggle to find many women who identify as cis women, they are just women. As for any of the transgender community identifying as women, what woud your advice had been if they were considering attending this event? | |||
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"The old firm have a long way to go to catch up with what these days is considered acceptable. Change is a natural, healthy and progressive evolutionary process. Dont follow it, you get left behind and eventually become extinct. I feel so sorry for the women that must have felt so uncomfortable in that bear pit and am genuinely angry at all the men whose aquiesced with this "comedian" rather than doing the right thing and drowning him out by booing him. Scotland shame isnt as simple as bigotry and sectarianism, its about an inability of that section of society to change. How can you as a cisgendered man think that you need to feel sorry for the women in that hall and that dealt with the situation by walking out. What makes you think it was a bear pit when cis women were invited and in attendance . They could have stayed away. 1. Shut up with the cis pish 2. "They could have stayed away" FFS! What are you talking about CIS pish Is that noy going completely against what you said a couple of messages ago. We should embrace change or be left behind. ? Well look at you lmao. Don't you know women are no longer women , their classed as CIS women nowadays. So your fighting for change but only when it suits your preferences. ?????
I think you will struggle to find many women who identify as cis women, they are just women.
As for any of the transgender community identifying as women, what woud your advice had been if they were considering attending this event?"Hey I'm not derailing the thread with a discussion for another day . My point was that you went on a rant that said if we can't keep up with the changes we get left behind as a relic. I proved that your rant was pish as your not willing to accept some things just like some people don't accept that gendered JOKES are inappropriate. A jokes a joke get over it, they mean nothing. Ps I can't stand the CIS pish either but that like jokes doesn't make me a relic from the past. Think about it. | |||
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"People need to realise the difference between a joke and reality. Being from Ireland I've heard (and told) all the Irishman/Paddy jokes around and never once been offended or thought the rest of the world think all Irish people are thick. P
Ok tell me the history of jokes about the English?
Not looking to start a personal argument.
I don't profess to know the history of jokes about the English. I don't even know a single joke about the English."I was trying to think of a stereotypical english gag and the one that comes to mind is the poor jakey from Glasgow trying to rob a member of the aristocracy visiting Glasgow. It goes something like this, the wee jakey pulls a knife out to lord and lady (insert surname here) and says, "Gee us all your money", to which the lord replies, "Good gosh sir, all of our money?" The wee jakey goes, "Aye". The lord replies, "I terribly sorry old chap as most of it is tied up in land!" lol. | |||
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"The old firm have a long way to go to catch up with what these days is considered acceptable. Change is a natural, healthy and progressive evolutionary process. Dont follow it, you get left behind and eventually become extinct. I feel so sorry for the women that must have felt so uncomfortable in that bear pit and am genuinely angry at all the men whose aquiesced with this "comedian" rather than doing the right thing and drowning him out by booing him. Scotland shame isnt as simple as bigotry and sectarianism, its about an inability of that section of society to change. What does the old firm have to do with the OP's question about is scotland misogynistic? You can't blame one idiots joke about female football on rangers or celtic, utter nonsense comment imo
In the context of what occured it has everything to do with it. The issue isnt one mans jokes, its about how everyone else reacted."It had absolutely nothing to do with rangers or celtic..fact! And everyone didn't react the same way even some of the female guests where laughing at this joke but because 1 woman and her table find it disrespectful that's all that matters eh? | |||
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Shall I pack my case for the step?
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Shall I pack my case for the step?
For fuck sake....when will I learn!?
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"The old firm have a long way to go to catch up with what these days is considered acceptable. Change is a natural, healthy and progressive evolutionary process. Dont follow it, you get left behind and eventually become extinct. I feel so sorry for the women that must have felt so uncomfortable in that bear pit and am genuinely angry at all the men whose aquiesced with this "comedian" rather than doing the right thing and drowning him out by booing him. Scotland shame isnt as simple as bigotry and sectarianism, its about an inability of that section of society to change. How can you as a cisgendered man think that you need to feel sorry for the women in that hall and that dealt with the situation by walking out. What makes you think it was a bear pit when cis women were invited and in attendance . They could have stayed away. 1. Shut up with the cis pish 2. "They could have stayed away" FFS! What are you talking about CIS pish Is that noy going completely against what you said a couple of messages ago. We should embrace change or be left behind. ? Well look at you lmao. Don't you know women are no longer women , their classed as CIS women nowadays. So your fighting for change but only when it suits your preferences. ????? "Did men and women asked to be called "cis" or was it a title given to them to by another group? You have a man and a woman asking you to stop calling them cis yet you tell them to effectively "get with the times". How about you treat people on an individual basis and call them what they wish to be called? Why should I be called a name that offends me because not calling me it offends someone else? So when someone says "cut the "cis" pish, it's ignorant to continue calling that person something they have already told you offends them or makes them uncomfortable. Unless of course you are being a "white knight" for the trans community | |||
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"The old firm have a long way to go to catch up with what these days is considered acceptable. Change is a natural, healthy and progressive evolutionary process. Dont follow it, you get left behind and eventually become extinct. I feel so sorry for the women that must have felt so uncomfortable in that bear pit and am genuinely angry at all the men whose aquiesced with this "comedian" rather than doing the right thing and drowning him out by booing him. Scotland shame isnt as simple as bigotry and sectarianism, its about an inability of that section of society to change. How can you as a cisgendered man think that you need to feel sorry for the women in that hall and that dealt with the situation by walking out. What makes you think it was a bear pit when cis women were invited and in attendance . They could have stayed away. 1. Shut up with the cis pish 2. "They could have stayed away" FFS! What are you talking about CIS pish Is that noy going completely against what you said a couple of messages ago. We should embrace change or be left behind. ? Well look at you lmao. Don't you know women are no longer women , their classed as CIS women nowadays. So your fighting for change but only when it suits your preferences. ?????
Did men and women asked to be called "cis" or was it a title given to them to by another group? You have a man and a woman asking you to stop calling them cis yet you tell them to effectively "get with the times". How about you treat people on an individual basis and call them what they wish to be called?
Why should I be called a name that offends me because not calling me it offends someone else?
So when someone says "cut the "cis" pish, it's ignorant to continue calling that person something they have already told you offends them or makes them uncomfortable.
Unless of course you are being a "white knight" for the trans community "You should have continued to read the thread after I posted the quoted text here. I have no intention of white knighting nor calling anyone a Cis anything I'm pointing out an earlier rant was nonsense. If you had continued to read you'd actually see I'm in total agreement with your above post. But hey there's just no pleasing some people just like the speaker at the weekend. Lol. | |||
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"Misogynistic isn’t a country it’s a mind set. Walking out of the room defeats the purpose. It’s the environment you are in so just read the room. Don’t get why people are annoyed by things they don’t understand. Just move in " It's because some people think that if they are offended so should everyone else be. Nobody is allowed to think for themselves any longer in this new woke world. | |||
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"Here’s my take, and I actually attended the night, he made one joke about nips/japs and one about poofs and pirates, and one about women’s football during a half hour speech, I wasn’t offended but I’m not Japanese a poof or a pirate or a women’s footballer. However I notice during tv shows like loose women adverts are largely about tampons or moisture cream and during SAS who dares wins adverts are about beer and manly stuff is this preaching to your audience? So until multi national billionaire companies get in line with the new ‘woke’ rules leave the wee man from the bowling club alone. And if you know yourself well enough that you’re sensitive to offense don’t attend nights like the night in question until your confident that jokes you don’t like won’t be told " Stop watching loose women | |||
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"Here’s my take, and I actually attended the night, he made one joke about nips/japs and one about poofs and pirates, and one about women’s football during a half hour speech, I wasn’t offended but I’m not Japanese a poof or a pirate or a women’s footballer. However I notice during tv shows like loose women adverts are largely about tampons or moisture cream and during SAS who dares wins adverts are about beer and manly stuff is this preaching to your audience? So until multi national billionaire companies get in line with the new ‘woke’ rules leave the wee man from the bowling club alone. And if you know yourself well enough that you’re sensitive to offense don’t attend nights like the night in question until your confident that jokes you don’t like won’t be told " Tell us the pirate joke. | |||
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"I cannot believe how much people waste their time in here writing essays for no point I see the level of this site now .... ""I see the level of this site now" is your last sentence on this thread so let me that down for you.. Let's say there ls 2 million people on Fabswingers in any one day and let's also say that in all threads through each forum and each thread in that forum that would equate to around 0.000005% of people that have wasted their time in here writing essays for no point, if this is your point of view then tell me how that small amount of people are the level on this site? | |||
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"I cannot believe how much people waste their time in here writing essays for no point I see the level of this site now .... "They could be out robbin Grannies...keeps them busy. | |||
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"I cannot believe how much people waste their time in here writing essays for no point I see the level of this site now .... "Yet here you are posting and wasting your time commenting on people wasting their time. | |||
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"I cannot believe how much people waste their time in here writing essays for no point I see the level of this site now ....
Yet here you are posting and wasting your time commenting on people wasting their time. "Not to mention you not only posted on another thread and if that's not bad enough you then deleted it after posting it. Another example of Fab cracking me up. | |||
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