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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

So its now been revealed in Parliament this afternoon that, despite Alex Salmond saying on tv that he HAD sought legal advice from Scotlands law officers regarding Scotland entering the EU, that the SNP HADN'T sought legal advice after all and now the deal is signed to allow the referendum, NOW they'll do it.

But hold on, they used taxpayers money to fund a legal case to prevent the information from being revealed. The information they never got in the first place? So far, they've used £4000 and thats not the final figure!

Alex Salmond is just the worst kind of political slime. He told the Scottish people all kinds of bullshit just to get the referendum deal signed and now it'll all the other lies will start to come out.

Sorry for the political rant folks, didn't mean to keep you from snog, shag or avoid!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Aye and David Cameron or that wee twat Joanne Lamont are better? Don`t think so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And now 2 MSP's have resigned from the SNP and will run as independents because after 40 years of the SNP saying they'll never join NATO if they got independence they're now saying they will. I wonder how the glorious leader will try to put a positive spin on that?

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By *ighlandballsMan
over a year ago

perth

And what about Trump

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd rather have my own country back than be run by london wankers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And what about Trump "
in we watched that..total shocking!!!!!

salmond is a disgrace.

And as for for trump...criminal

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By *aughty.naughty deviantsCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

Alex salmond i don't trust him for a minute

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By *nTCouple
over a year ago

funland

after the deals with trump, does it really matter if its a wanker in london or one in edinburgh that screws us, either way we are screwed.

Mr TnT

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Alex Salmond is a clown. He was embaressing when he gave his speech after the Ryder Cuo victory.

Just my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You do know you can have an independent Scotland and vote for someone other than the SNP when it comes about. I'd sooner be ran by Scotsmen who have our countries interests at heart than some snooty self serving Tory tits from down south.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and the tories and labour are soooo much better !!!!!

eejits the lot of them....so if it doesn't matter who is in charge then give me my country back

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And what are you going to do with YOUR COUNTRY? How are you going to fund YOUR COUNTRY? Thats the problem SALMON thinks its HIS country, no its OUR country.

I am happy that the vote is a simple Yes or No, not the other option that the SNP wanted, that would have split the vote 3 ways and 2 of them would really mean NO to splitting from the UK.

This is not the best time to split at all. The garbage Salmond shouted off about how Scotland should model itself on Ireland, yep, Ireland is in a right bloody mess and its not getting any better at all.

Going to be interesting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

FREEDOM !!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"FREEDOM !!!!!! "

And how are we going to pay for this FREEDOM...........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Poles will work harder .....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

that is a question for a politician

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

another question would be why does england want to keep scotland in its shackles so badly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They are scared of Mel Gibson??

Or cos Scotland owe so much money to parliament?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

do we????

says who???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You need to keep up with the times, Parliament have already lent hundreds of millions to help with the new Forth Bridge and the tram system in Edinburgh.Scotland at the moment can not afford to pay for it all at the moment.

As for who said they are scared of Mel Gibson ... they all did lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh and lack of finance has stopped the rail station at Edinburgh Airport, which i find crazy ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

lack of private funding has stopped the rail station.....oil revenues more than cover any shortfall my country has....as has been well documented by government and independant reports

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By *john121Man
over a year ago

staffs


"Alex Salmond is a clown. He was embaressing when he gave his speech after the Ryder Cuo victory.

Just my opinion."

Embarrassing!! He was BOOED royally!!!

What a laugh!!

Clearly someone who'll have no standing anywhere else in the world!!

You'll be the laughing stock!!

Next thing the highlanders will want separation from the low landers....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and who really gives a toss about the parasitic royals?????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No the rail funding was pulled due to the expense of the tram spiralled out of control. and now we dont even have a tram going all the way to the airport... crazy..

Can i ask what oil revenues come to Scotland? Most goes to England... what other manufacturing do we have apart from drinks and some seafood..

It will cost a fortune to look after all the 5.4 million people in Scotland over such a vast country and Isles.. Keeping Post offices open on Harris, keeping a fighting presence... keeping up with dole and other benefit payments.. roads..blimey list goes on with just 5.4 million people living here so guessing around 3 million working and paying tax? Doesnt add up to me .. so yup get yer freedom all you like.. but please explain why i should vote that way...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you've really answered all your own questions....oil revenue goes to the twats down south so tht would change

and you also stated that we owe millions so could quite easily do a rangers and wipe the debt

obviously we would need to call our country "The Scotland" though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sponsered by Buckfast? hehe i am thinking of the "new logo" lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

rather stereotypical don't you think lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I could have said Tennants but i can hardly see it on the rangers shirts hence Buckfast... Or does Scotland produce wine with its heavenly climate?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

is alcohol the only option in your sponsorship process? if so then surely a fine malt would be a better option

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By *olly Gentle GiantMan
over a year ago

Glenrothes


"Oh and lack of finance has stopped the rail station at Edinburgh Airport, which i find crazy .. "

Well if Glesga canna gave a GARL, why should Auld Reekie have an EARL?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sponsered by jura... or irn Bru? much better ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i think so

we're agreed then....an independant "The Scotland" sponsored by Irn Bru

looks like we are both voting yes now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Errr only if Diagio give all profits to Fife lol.

Also got to remember most Golf courses are foreign owned ... Trump for one .. so just give me the Irn Bru ta... lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

most golf courses are foreign owned?....where do you get these stats from?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who owns Gleneagles? Trumps Aberdeen course, Gullane ..Troon? Not talking about yer local council courses

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ahhh then you should say so then....and if we are independant, why would that change or even need to?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i'll give 10 reasons why we should be independant and then i'm off to bed.....

1 Scotland would officially be one of the world's richest countries - ranked 6th in the OECD compared to the UK's 16th place. We have 24billion barrels of oil remaining in the North Sea, according to industry body Oil and Gas UK. That's £1.5trillion in today's prices - half as much in value as has been taken out.

2 We also have around 25 per cent of Europe's potential offshore wind and tidal energy - and a tenth of Europe's wave power. An extra 45 per cent of renewable energy was generated in Scotland last year, according to the UK Department of Energy. It's more than we need and can be exported for cash.

3 Other countries want to invest here. The recent Ernst & Young UK Attractiveness Survey highlighted Scotland's leading position in the UK for job creation from international investment. With independence, we can make the country even more attractive to these employers.

4 Independence will allow us to keep services such as the NHS and the welfare state. In England they are being privatised and cut. Benefits are being taken from the needy and the Scottish Parliament can't stop that under present powers.

5 Scotland has five of the top 200 universities in the world. We also punch well above our weight in the number of research papers they produce. It means our historic reputation as a well educated nation is flourishing. We give our universities one of the best packages of support in Europe, with no fees for students from Scotland. With independence we can do even more.

6 We'll have more money in our pockets. If we got back what we sent south in tax, official figures show every Scot would have £510 more a year. The only tax the Scottish Government controls just now is council tax, and it's frozen under the SNP. Imagine if we controlled fuel duty, national insurance, VAT and income tax.

7 Our government would be more streamlined. Scotland, like Denmark, New Zealand, Norway and Finland, is a goldilocks country - not too big and not too small. The UK wastes money on bloated institutions bogged down by bureaucracy - look at HMRC, the tax authority. It's gone from one calamity to another. The rich get away with evasion while the rest are overcharged.

8 Mobiles would work and we'd all get high-speed broadband. Telecommunications are controlled in London. Westminster auctions licences to phone companies but only demands 90 per cent coverage of the UK. This means "notspots" in much of Scotland. Broadband is patchy too, and it doesn't help that Scotland's capital budget has been cut by a third by the Tories.

9 Our culture would get a boost. We'd have control over broadcasting and more high-quality programmes could be made here. Our news would no longer look hand-knitted compared with well funded UK offerings. We could export high-quality drama and our young bands would have a platform on the radio.

10 Imagine the goodwill. Scotland is held in high regard around the world - by those who know us. But being buried in brand Britain means sometimes we don't get to shine as we should. Independence would generate global interest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Was that a copy and paste from Mr Salmonds web site?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

apparently it'll take 5million scots with saws 500years to saw scotland away from england...scientific fact that, and more likely than any other method...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Paddy... they have dynomite nowadays ... keep up fella lol

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By *eatherWoman
over a year ago

glasgow

I was at George Square to welcome the olympic athletes back and the welcome salmond got said it all he was booed rotten.And if more snp members followed their beliefs like the 2 who resigned the day salmond and that eejit sturgeon would be out of holyrood

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Politician caught lying, hardly news is it??

Sunday Mail bound to go with more serious story affecting the future of our country.

"Window Cleaner exposed as Swinger"

Now that's news!!! Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"another question would be why does england want to keep scotland in its shackles so badly "

Why ask another question if you cant answer mine? Do you really have a clue about whats going on or are you just going to push your anti-English sentiments on the forum?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Was that a copy and paste from Mr Salmonds web site?"

Looks like the biggest load of garbage every posted on a fab forum. Would certainly agree its a cut and paste job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

declare Scotland a country free and independant of all the countrys to the south of us , dynamite the oil pipeline just before it crosses the border , send englands German monarch a post card saying " dinnae come back ", sell englands weapons of mass dustruction on ebay , then things will be allright with the world .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm trying to work out...

What's bigger...

Salmonds belly...or...ego

He's a joke loves the limelight too much.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Alex Salmond is just the worst kind of political slime."

Really?

You'll be happy paying for your prescriptions again then, not to mention travel for the elderly and free university education.

Yep, the SNP have done fuck all for us, lets's bring back the party that brought the country to its knees.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Was that a copy and paste from Mr Salmonds web site?"

Of course it was a copy and paste....wasn't typing all that out at 2am !!!!

not from Mr Salmonds website however...from a proper passionate Scots website

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"another question would be why does england want to keep scotland in its shackles so badly

Why ask another question if you cant answer mine? Do you really have a clue about whats going on or are you just going to push your anti-English sentiments on the forum?"

I think you'll find if you take the time to read that i answered your question saying it was one for a politician to answer.....and then asked my own question

For the record...I'm not anti-english....I'm Pro-Scots

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes Alex salmond is a polatition and we all know they aren't exactly the best of the best at the moment... Any of them north or south!! However scandals like the expenses "issues"(!), Adam wherrity/liam fox em... Thing? And the all too imfomas plebb comment (personaly Im more peved that he swore at a police officer and didn't get arrested, any of us would have been). All of this coupled with all of the panicked u turns means to me that all the party's down south believe they have grown well above there station, after all a polatition is the collective voice of the people he or her represents not the voice to be followed, in my opinion.

On that basis, for me I will vote for snp and independence as the snps one aim is to make Scotland better, I don't care if salmond is doing to prove England wrong or for him to get power because he wouldnt have it forever and if he messed up we could vote him out. Party's mean nothing to me as assets/reserves to debt ration in comparison with other countries our size point to us standing very successfully on our own.

I feel I must add this is only my opinion and either way I hope that with the rightly lowerd age limit for voting that we can stimulated more interest in politics, end apathy and get some beard and butter humans to represent us... In what ever government we have

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By *bboredguyMan
over a year ago

dundee

"nationalism is a juvenile disease - it is the measles of politics " Albert Einstein...

Salmond... Where's lee Harvey oswald now we need him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Your post is ironicaly a juvenile contradiction, to quote Albert Einstein off all people and to top it off with being juvenile is silly but murders is ok?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Albert Einstien....a man who was instrumental in facilitating the development of the atomic bomb....says it all really

Only juvenile thing in your statement is suggesting that someone gets assasinated !!!

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By *hickencurryCouple
over a year ago

brisbane

Think it's pretty cool that 16 year olds getting to vote too. Best comment on thread so far has to be about selling weapons on ebay to make the world a better place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Think it's pretty cool that 16 year olds getting to vote too."

Absolutely!

Old enough to get married, have children, pay into the system, yet not old enough to have a say in who you'd like to run the country.

It's very wrong, glad to see it's being rectified.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Albert Einstien....a man who was instrumental in facilitating the development of the atomic bomb....says it all really

Only juvenile thing in your statement is suggesting that someone gets assasinated !!! "

Yup...ok albert was that but he never pushed the button...and that button was pushed at a time when the world was at its worst...many of us would not be here if it hadnt been most likely...or enjoying much of what we really take for granted.Its a harsh universe...things have been destroyed to create from its existence...most likely when its been an inevitable outcome.

I'd rather focus on the good that came from it all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

don't blame me....i didn't bring up the Einstien thang lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"don't blame me....i didn't bring up the Einstien thang lol"

lol ur misinterpretation was a tarnish on the man...so there lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

misinterpretation?.....where?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dropping a nuclear weapon on a civilian population is in excusable only slightly more so than using them full stop. No good comes from it scientifically or political or in j Oppenheimers words after the first test detonation of his weapon, "I have become death, the destroyer of worlds" its worth note he spent his life after that campaigning for complete disarmament.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"misinterpretation?.....where?"

the quote itself, that u twisted into a different meaning...the horrors of that marching machine were seen around the world...and it wasnt going to stop.

as for the bomb:Yup... I agree, but without that process, and even the fear that it could happen again has led to (hopefully) it never being repeated.

thats the legacy of our victory I'm afraid...I'd challenge anyone to say it hasnt shown us that we truly believe we dont want to ever witness it again or the fact that it basically ended what could have become a very very different world we live in today.

anyway, its all off subject now eh? lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i twisted nothing...a quote is a quote....your interperatation of said quote is entirely up to you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

back on topic

FREE DOM !!!!!

willing to take subs at no charge

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By *omaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Alex Salmondpaste???....He'll try and convince you anything.....He told us he had Independance sorted legally, bullshit...He's told you we can pay our way, How?... by joining the Eurozone and begging for handouts from Brussels?

It all comes down to Pounds, shllings and pence ( Euro's and Cents if you wish)...Count me out of this farce, Im for UK

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm proud to be Scots but my father and grandfathers stood shoulder to shoulder with Welsh, Irish and English men and women in 2 world wars so you can be proud to be called Scottish and British as for Alex Salmond and the SNP, I think they are small minded parochial people just wanting their bit of power. I'll be voting to stay part of Britain

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No ones voting to break up Britain? Britain is the name of an island that 3 country's are on. Britain will stay Britain it'll just consist of 2 independent nations and as if that means we will stop working with each other. France and Germany aren't a united nation but those two do just fine bossing around the rest of Europe I dare say that not much will change if it happens but it would be nice to stand with our friends to the south... As equals.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No ones voting to break up Britain? Britain is the name of an island that 3 country's are on. Britain will stay Britain it'll just consist of 2 independent nations and as if that means we will stop working with each other. France and Germany aren't a united nation but those two do just fine bossing around the rest of Europe I dare say that not much will change if it happens but it would be nice to stand with our friends to the south... As equals."

Ok, your splitting hairs here... The united Kingdom then x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Look at southern Ireland, they have euros and are so poor they may well be next to be bailed out, is that what you want for Scotland? No chance of protecting ourselves, no way of paying for all the benefits no chance of keeping our roads in any state of repair.Do you think that is why Wales and N.Ireland are not pushing for crazy independance. Look at Ukraine, Belarus ... hardly mighty powers now are they?

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By *unybunyWoman
over a year ago

Living in a Scottish office somewhere

I'd love to put him in stalks and throw rotten tomatoes at his tumshie heid...... but then again I have a few I would like to do that to!!

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By *otlero69Man
over a year ago

ayr

Ah yes Mr Salmond and his band would have us all believe that we are on the way to living happily ever after, after becoming an independant country, with all the riches from our oil fields and income from renewable energy the land of milk and honey etc.

Just wonder if this is before or after we pay off our share of Britains national debt! Hmmmm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

all those not wishing independance....are you happy with the way things are being run?

who would you rather in charge of scottish affairs...tories, labour, lib dems, bnp, greens?????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

'Some people hate the English, I don't - they're just wankers. We on the other hand are colonised by wankers - can't even find a decent country to be colonised by'

Relevant then and relevant now if ya ask me!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

whatever you think about the first minister you cant deny they are doing a better job down up Edinburgh than they are in London.

Who started charging students to study and is trying to dismantle the NHS?

At least if were on our own the chances of the tories ever getting a majority are pretty much non existent

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"'Some people hate the English, I don't - they're just wankers. We on the other hand are colonised by wankers - can't even find a decent country to be colonised by'

Relevant then and relevant now if ya ask me! "

Nice to see mutual respect for all on this little group of islands is alive and well!

So prospective President Salmond and his cronies are eager to take back 'control' of Scotland from London to surrender it to Brussels? Bear in mind the UK Parliament has a fair few Scots MP's who vote on English matters, although English MP's cannot have a say in Scottish affairs. What will the size of our representation be in Brussels?

Sooner rather than later Berlin will be dictating fiscal policy across Europe (what it couldn't achieve in 2 World Wars Germany is achieving politically and financially - dominance over Europe) How long before Scotland has to go to Brussels to get permission to spend its own money, as in Greece, Spain and Ireland, or face huge fines?

I reckon we have more say in a united Britain than in a bureaucratic Europe with all its acknowledged corruption and burgeoning unelected political infrastructures.

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By *illiam19Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

think its time we learned how to stand on our own two feet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"think its time we learned how to stand on our own two feet"

lie on my back n take it... get fucked either way..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so far alex`s little bint - nic sturgeon had outlawed smoking in pubs and offices etc..

(to make everyone walk outside the building)

The chippy vans etc being within so many yards of a school.

(to make all the fat kids walk so many hundred yards outside)

Also - the minimum price the bevvy..!!

(thats just to Keep all the alkies in the house and make them order online from asda in england at a cheaper price - if they have any benefits left)

Welcome to a Healthier Scotland...

How long before - Scotch Pies / Square sausage and a bottle of ginger - will be soon be under the counter..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh Alex, i saw Braveheart and now have this idea, Salmond ?

Not comfy with his ideas, never was.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"'Some people hate the English, I don't - they're just wankers. We on the other hand are colonised by wankers - can't even find a decent country to be colonised by'

Relevant then and relevant now if ya ask me!

Nice to see mutual respect for all on this little group of islands is alive and well!

So prospective President Salmond and his cronies are eager to take back 'control' of Scotland from London to surrender it to Brussels? Bear in mind the UK Parliament has a fair few Scots MP's who vote on English matters, although English MP's cannot have a say in Scottish affairs. What will the size of our representation be in Brussels?

Sooner rather than later Berlin will be dictating fiscal policy across Europe (what it couldn't achieve in 2 World Wars Germany is achieving politically and financially - dominance over Europe) How long before Scotland has to go to Brussels to get permission to spend its own money, as in Greece, Spain and Ireland, or face huge fines?

I reckon we have more say in a united Britain than in a bureaucratic Europe with all its acknowledged corruption and burgeoning unelected political infrastructures."

Actually a quote from Trainspotting lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i don't like him, i don't like his ideas, don't trust him as far as i can throw him, just my wee thoughts.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i don't like him, i don't like his ideas, don't trust him as far as i can throw him, just my wee thoughts....."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No ones voting to brake up the UK either, the union of the crowns has nothing to do with the political union. salmond him self has said the queen will remain the head of state.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No ones voting to brake up the UK either, the union of the crowns has nothing to do with the political union. salmond him self has said the queen will remain the head of state."

He will say anything to get independence. He's long advocated a republic north of the border now he's saying the queen will be head of state... Until independence then he'll try for another referendum to get rid of her and of course we won't be part of the united kingdom if we get independence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i still see no one posting which party they want to control scottish affairs.........wonder why hmmmm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes we will be part of the united kingdom unless the Scottish people say else wise, come on people this isn't America we aren't voting on a president one man means nothing and as party's go the snp are the ones looking out for Scotland but don't take my word on it take the words of the Scottish majority that put them there with a mandate to give us this vote in the first place.... Oh what you didn't know the snp wanted independence? I can't blame you its only been the number one issues since thereation in the 30s

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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago

London

Of course its not full independence. Its really a form of uber devo max.

Keep the £

Keep the Bank of England as lender of last resort.

Keep the Queen

Use the facility's of MI5 & MI6 for security. SAS teams for Oil rig security.

Keep building warships for the Royal navy (I can see that flying -not).

Rent rooms in the British embassies.

Stay in the EU (Doubt the Spanish would welcome that as it would inflame the Catalan & Basque issues) & NATO.

So really all the ASVP* is, is a giant transfer of tax powers.

* ASVP - Alex Salmond Vanity Project

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

as scottish as i am i dont want independance basically cos if we do industry esp shipbuilding will suffer

also i work south alot.

also i think wee alex is a total liar, this is a guy who worked in london took the wage then only came back up when snp looked good , damanding his throne at the helm of the party , like every other politician alex has more faces than big ben.

and like a previous mailer said it was iceland first as our role model , then ireland,i hope he,s better at picking horses than role models

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The United Kingdom's political unity died with the 'British Empire', Scotland and England are now 2 diverse neighbours, Scotland is now looking to assert it's own national identity free from Britain and Empire. Scotland has always had seperate religious, justiciary and educational institutions from England independence is just a natural progression and a vote of 'NO' would be halting this natural progress. Scottish Independence would also help the English gain their own sense of national identity which is so often intwined in the 'British Empire' ethos. I am not an ardent SNP supporter just giving my tuppence-worth xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To the OP can i ask what Scotland would actually gain from Independance apart from a Brave heart yell of freedom? He seems to have gone quiet..

Really what would we gain?? Cos i for one am at a loss. If some one told me how we would prosper then thats cool, at the moment the maths dont add up. Please prove me wrong,,,

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By *ustyWench38kWoman
over a year ago

dunfermline

I have this debate often , turns out the biggest membership of the SNP is actually the London branch.I find this ironic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i still see no one posting which party they want to control scottish affairs.........wonder why hmmmm"

Partys tend to have "politicians" in them, and entrusting any "expenses fiddling, tell you any old thing to gain a vote" politicians is the bit that trips a lot up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

STILL no one wanting to say which party they want running Scottish affairs....i find this rather strange.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Deep, i think we are waiting on you explaining the benefits of what you call freedom lol

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By *illow PimpMan
over a year ago

Midlothian


"STILL no one wanting to say which party they want running Scottish affairs....i find this rather strange. "

Search Scottish independence in forum

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Deep, i think we are waiting on you explaining the benefits of what you call freedom lol"

i thought i had already posted ten good reasons for independance.

just seems to me that a lot of folk knock it but seem to shy away from saying who they wish to see running our country

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Deep, i think we are waiting on you explaining the benefits of what you call freedom lol

i thought i had already posted ten good reasons for independance.

just seems to me that a lot of folk knock it but seem to shy away from saying who they wish to see running our country"
Most definatley don't want Salmond running it if goes his way...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so who do you want then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Really what would we gain?? Cos i for one am at a loss. If some one told me how we would prosper then thats cool, at the moment the maths dont add up. Please prove me wrong,,,"

We give 8.7 billion a year to whitehall.

We receive 8.3 billion in return.

That's a gain right away.

I see no reason why we can't run our own country, just look at Norway (similar size, population). They have a surplus.

We'd have had independance years ago if HMG hadn't moved the goalposts after the votes were counted.

I'm not one of the freedom chanting nationalists before I get tarred with that brush.

Just find it very partonising that other parts of the uk think we need them to survive in the big bad world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Most definatley don't want Salmond running it if goes his way..."

Why not? Interesting to hear your reasons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The SNP always go on about our oil revenues and right enough that is huge but how long will that last, maybe another 50 or even 100 years which in political terms is a very short time and the stocks are already dwindling.

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over a year ago


"The SNP always go on about our oil revenues and right enough that is huge but how long will that last, maybe another 50 or even 100 years which in political terms is a very short time and the stocks are already dwindling."

Oil revenue is only a small part of what Scotland has to offer.

And 50 to 100 years of revenue could build up one hell of a surplus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

'Tuppence' worth here.

The Scots have discovered, invented and conquered. Have made considerable contributions to the 19th and 20th centuries and further.

We have the natural resources and the talent to be one of the richest countries per head of population in the world.

Problem!!?.......we could never manage ourselves properly.

Until someone comes along to grab this nation and tell the people what is ours and that we'll be keeping it for the benefit of scots.

It's not going to work.

It wasnt the English that conquered the Scots. It was Scots taking sides against each other.

My view anyway.

Jog on.............

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By *john121Man
over a year ago

staffs


"The SNP always go on about our oil revenues and right enough that is huge but how long will that last, maybe another 50 or even 100 years which in political terms is a very short time and the stocks are already dwindling.

Oil revenue is only a small part of what Scotland has to offer.

And 50 to 100 years of revenue could build up one hell of a surplus."

deep fried mars bars

tenants extra

heart disease

liver disease

knife crime

kilts?

football lol

rugby lol

bagpipes?

positives:

billy Conelly

irn bru

malt whisky although the Japanese are now recognised as making some of the best..

haggis

tatties

neeps

Burns night:

Fair fa' your honest, sonsie face,

Great chieftain o' the puddin-race!

Aboon them a' ye tak your place,

Painch, tripe, or thairm:

Weel are ye wordy o' a grace

As lang's my arm.

of course it goes on a bit more..

Edinburgh wool mill lol

Scenery.

must be some other stuff?

very tongue in cheek..

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By *john121Man
over a year ago

staffs


"Really what would we gain?? Cos i for one am at a loss. If some one told me how we would prosper then thats cool, at the moment the maths dont add up. Please prove me wrong,,,

We give 8.7 billion a year to whitehall.

We receive 8.3 billion in return.

That's a gain right away.

I see no reason why we can't run our own country, just look at Norway (similar size, population). They have a surplus.

We'd have had independance years ago if HMG hadn't moved the goalposts after the votes were counted.

I'm not one of the freedom chanting nationalists before I get tarred with that brush.

Just find it very partonising that other parts of the uk think we need them to survive in the big bad world."

simple reason the Norwegians get on with everybody!and do you have any idea what the cost of living is like in Norway?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm largely undecided on the issue . My main beef with indenpendance is that as the Uk we have achieved a lot together and have a lot of history ,some good some not so good . However I dont feel that the United Kingdom is at all equal . Seems very biased towards England and i feel that Scotland is ignored unless its needed for something . As far as potential goes yes i think Scotland has a lot to offer , however i think there would need to be a massive change in attitude . Alex ....hmmm I not convinced by him at all . He seems a very slippery character who has learned a lot in the UK parliament and brought it here . Having said that when i watch first ministers questions its very very childish have honestly seen more constructive arguments in the pub . I think politically as a nation we are very naieve at the minute . I do beleive we could go on our own but i dont think it wold be as easy as the SNP are making out . I would be happy to stay in the UK if we were treated as equalls which i dont think we are . So part of me is thinking why not give it a go ? and the other is thinking no , far too much to risk . On the plus side got 2 years to decide lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Hiya,

I started this thread the other day and then been so busy I didn't manage to get back and look at it, thanks to everyone for joining in.

Heres a question, how much worse off would you be willing to be, per year, to still want independence? For example, if you were told you'd be £1000 worse off in an independent Scotland, would you still want it? There has been a poll done and the tipping point seems to be £500 so far. Personally, I don't want to be any worse off so my tipping point is £0!

What does anyone else think?

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By *omaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Salmond? Sturgeon?.....still sounds a bit too fishy for me...... a right pair o' fannies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"and do you have any idea what the cost of living is like in Norway?

"

As it happens I do.

The wages, public services etc make up for the high cost of living plus there aren't the hidden taxes we have here.

Whoever is in power down in westminster would tax fresh air if they could get away with it. Tally up how much of your money goes in takes and you'll not far short of between 70 & 80 percent.

They also don't hide the fact that they like using us as guinea pigs.

Remember the poll tax?

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

why pick on alex salmond all politicians are lying cheating toads

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They can take our freedom but there no touching my fookin wheetabix

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Salmond has raised lying and cheating to a new level.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"why pick on alex salmond all politicians are lying cheating toads "

Very true but only he is trying desperately to take Sotland out of the Union by lying, to leave as his legacy, at any cost. If they have got this even slightly wrong, we're fucked as a nation. Theres no going back.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Salmond has quietly forgotten any thoughts of 'legacy'. It's so far from his mind he'll probably abandon any plans for a separation referendum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"why pick on alex salmond all politicians are lying cheating toads

Very true but only he is trying desperately to take Sotland out of the Union by lying, to leave as his legacy, at any cost. If they have got this even slightly wrong, we're fucked as a nation. Theres no going back."

have to agree completly, i know i dont like the wee despot,nero,git. but personelly i think all he wants is a mention in history, if it all goes pete tong do you think he would suffer , ??

we done better as a uk , lets keep it that way , ok we had a few square goes with each other , but hey thats life,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

hey em wrong forum guys I think if you search Google for "Scotland, Politics, Independance & Forum" you might find the correct place.

oh BTW any girl in glasgow want to have my cock in their mouth msg bk ta.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"hey em wrong forum guys I think if you search Google for "Scotland, Politics, Independance & Forum" you might find the correct place.

oh BTW any girl in glasgow want to have my cock in their mouth msg bk ta."

Really?

I thought the forums were for discussing things on any topic people wish and private mails were for arranging meets to have your cock sucked

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"...I thought the forums were for discussing things on any topic people wish and private mails were for arranging meets to have your cock sucked "

There is no emoticon for tongue-in-cheek. Occasionally I read forum posts with essays of passionate replys and think:- What is the point? If you think your unsourcable anonymous opinion on a infamous swingers site is gonna make blind bit of diffrence to anayone at the other end your as well as starting a fight in the YouTube comments section. Better channel that anger somewhere appropriate instead of here where it will be ignored and die after a week. In the meantime Dr illsettlefor your Purdy mouth. ))

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

anger? i merely enjoy a good debate in such a thread as this.

and silly me, i was forgetting that using smiley symbols makes everything alright

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By *ethany10Couple
over a year ago

falkirk


"i'll give 10 reasons why we should be independant and then i'm off to bed.....

1 Scotland would officially be one of the world's richest countries - ranked 6th in the OECD compared to the UK's 16th place. We have 24billion barrels of oil remaining in the North Sea, according to industry body Oil and Gas UK. That's £1.5trillion in today's prices - half as much in value as has been taken out.

2 We also have around 25 per cent of Europe's potential offshore wind and tidal energy - and a tenth of Europe's wave power. An extra 45 per cent of renewable energy was generated in Scotland last year, according to the UK Department of Energy. It's more than we need and can be exported for cash.

3 Other countries want to invest here. The recent Ernst & Young UK Attractiveness Survey highlighted Scotland's leading position in the UK for job creation from international investment. With independence, we can make the country even more attractive to these employers.

4 Independence will allow us to keep services such as the NHS and the welfare state. In England they are being privatised and cut. Benefits are being taken from the needy and the Scottish Parliament can't stop that under present powers.

5 Scotland has five of the top 200 universities in the world. We also punch well above our weight in the number of research papers they produce. It means our historic reputation as a well educated nation is flourishing. We give our universities one of the best packages of support in Europe, with no fees for students from Scotland. With independence we can do even more.

6 We'll have more money in our pockets. If we got back what we sent south in tax, official figures show every Scot would have £510 more a year. The only tax the Scottish Government controls just now is council tax, and it's frozen under the SNP. Imagine if we controlled fuel duty, national insurance, VAT and income tax.

7 Our government would be more streamlined. Scotland, like Denmark, New Zealand, Norway and Finland, is a goldilocks country - not too big and not too small. The UK wastes money on bloated institutions bogged down by bureaucracy - look at HMRC, the tax authority. It's gone from one calamity to another. The rich get away with evasion while the rest are overcharged.

8 Mobiles would work and we'd all get high-speed broadband. Telecommunications are controlled in London. Westminster auctions licences to phone companies but only demands 90 per cent coverage of the UK. This means "notspots" in much of Scotland. Broadband is patchy too, and it doesn't help that Scotland's capital budget has been cut by a third by the Tories.

9 Our culture would get a boost. We'd have control over broadcasting and more high-quality programmes could be made here. Our news would no longer look hand-knitted compared with well funded UK offerings. We could export high-quality drama and our young bands would have a platform on the radio.

10 Imagine the goodwill. Scotland is held in high regard around the world - by those who know us. But being buried in brand Britain means sometimes we don't get to shine as we should. Independence would generate global interest."

But you'll still have a crap football team

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By *i-shoptonMan
over a year ago

bishopton

Agree pretty much with all the above .Scotland has lost much of it's identity and self belief over some 75 years....... Just as an example, you'll all recall what "Clyde built" used to mean...... We used to build the worlds finest ships.

Lastly , don't forget, we are not having a referendum on the SNP governing an independent Scotland- it's up to all of us voters who we put into office- or kick out!.........IMO Lamonts interests aren't truly Scottish - they are that of trying to get the Labour party back in office in the UK-

That's all I've got to say about that!!!

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland


"No the rail funding was pulled due to the expense of the tram spiralled out of control. and now we dont even have a tram going all the way to the airport... crazy..

Can i ask what oil revenues come to Scotland? Most goes to England... what other manufacturing do we have apart from drinks and some seafood..

It will cost a fortune to look after all the 5.4 million people in Scotland over such a vast country and Isles.. Keeping Post offices open on Harris, keeping a fighting presence... keeping up with dole and other benefit payments.. roads..blimey list goes on with just 5.4 million people living here so guessing around 3 million working and paying tax? Doesnt add up to me .. so yup get yer freedom all you like.. but please explain why i should vote that way... "

But we would have had a very good manufacturing industry if we had went independent in the 60s it was a bitch of a Tory PM who destroyed Scotlands manufacturing base and if we had done what Norway did and does and make sure the majority of oil related projects are built in the country and its the natives that are employed first and last then we would certainly be a very prosperous country but I think it is too late now as a government from a far away place made sure.

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By *landAnnCouple
over a year ago

Inverness

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Agree pretty much with all the above .Scotland has lost much of it's identity and self belief over some 75 years....... Just as an example, you'll all recall what "Clyde built" used to mean...... We used to build the worlds finest ships.

..................."

We STILL build the world's finest ships - we just don't build as many of them as we used to and, if Salmond gets his way, we won't be building any at all 'cept the occasional ferry down at Ferguson's.

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By *stonishCouple
over a year ago

edinburgh

i'm against it, the main reason its a one way ticket if we get it theres no going back. take a look at greece and see if you want to end up like them. bet they never thought they would end up like this ???

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By *ireyoneMan
over a year ago

motherwell

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Rights or wrongs of the Monarch notiwthstanding - nothing changes on that front.

Salmond's vision of a separate Scotland is very strange indeed. Same currency, same Monarchy, same central bank.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"so who do you want then?"
I think by the sounds of what your saying you could do it, prob trust u more than Salmond!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i'll give 10 reasons why we should be independant and then i'm off to bed.....

1 Scotland would officially be one of the world's richest countries - ranked 6th in the OECD compared to the UK's 16th place. We have 24billion barrels of oil remaining in the North Sea, according to industry body Oil and Gas UK. That's £1.5trillion in today's prices - half as much in value as has been taken out.

2 We also have around 25 per cent of Europe's potential offshore wind and tidal energy - and a tenth of Europe's wave power. An extra 45 per cent of renewable energy was generated in Scotland last year, according to the UK Department of Energy. It's more than we need and can be exported for cash.

3 Other countries want to invest here. The recent Ernst & Young UK Attractiveness Survey highlighted Scotland's leading position in the UK for job creation from international investment. With independence, we can make the country even more attractive to these employers.

4 Independence will allow us to keep services such as the NHS and the welfare state. In England they are being privatised and cut. Benefits are being taken from the needy and the Scottish Parliament can't stop that under present powers.

5 Scotland has five of the top 200 universities in the world. We also punch well above our weight in the number of research papers they produce. It means our historic reputation as a well educated nation is flourishing. We give our universities one of the best packages of support in Europe, with no fees for students from Scotland. With independence we can do even more.

6 We'll have more money in our pockets. If we got back what we sent south in tax, official figures show every Scot would have £510 more a year. The only tax the Scottish Government controls just now is council tax, and it's frozen under the SNP. Imagine if we controlled fuel duty, national insurance, VAT and income tax.

7 Our government would be more streamlined. Scotland, like Denmark, New Zealand, Norway and Finland, is a goldilocks country - not too big and not too small. The UK wastes money on bloated institutions bogged down by bureaucracy - look at HMRC, the tax authority. It's gone from one calamity to another. The rich get away with evasion while the rest are overcharged.

8 Mobiles would work and we'd all get high-speed broadband. Telecommunications are controlled in London. Westminster auctions licences to phone companies but only demands 90 per cent coverage of the UK. This means "notspots" in much of Scotland. Broadband is patchy too, and it doesn't help that Scotland's capital budget has been cut by a third by the Tories.

9 Our culture would get a boost. We'd have control over broadcasting and more high-quality programmes could be made here. Our news would no longer look hand-knitted compared with well funded UK offerings. We could export high-quality drama and our young bands would have a platform on the radio.

10 Imagine the goodwill. Scotland is held in high regard around the world - by those who know us. But being buried in brand Britain means sometimes we don't get to shine as we should. Independence would generate global interest.

But you'll still have a crap football team "
My you have done your homework , well done

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

The 10 points have been lifted from the Nattersphere.

It probably originated in Gordon Lamb House.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-news/6133-liar-claims-undermined-as-scottish-government-confirms-law-officers-reviewed-eu-documents

So now we see, again, that it's Unionist spin and smear. BBC Scotland is riddled with Labour apparatchiks and all of our media is Unionist. Balanced debate? Not allowed in Britain. On any subject never mind this one.

Why don't we have a steel industry any more? Because Thatcher stole it to buy English votes. Scots MPs vote on English matters in the UK parliament? BOO HOO! Try having a government forcing policies on you which have been rejected in every post-war election right down to claiming a mandate to govern with ONE mp in the country.

Substitute black or asian into some of the comments being thrown about by the unionist campaign about Scotland and Scots and see what the reaction is. Including the demands from senior Tories that it be made illegal for any Scot to be prime minister and you see what they really think the Union is. A master/servant relationship.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If Alex gets us Independence he can shag my wife in celebration no problem!lol

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"..........

Why don't we have a steel industry any more? Because Thatcher stole it to buy English votes. Scots MPs vote on English matters in the UK parliament? BOO HOO! Try having a government forcing policies on you which have been rejected in every post-war election right down to claiming a mandate to govern with ONE mp in the country.

.............."

Scotland DOES still have a steel industry but it won't have if, as happened with the contract to supply steel for the New Forth Crossing, contracts area awarded to Shanghai, Seville and Gdansk.

No doubt Mr Salmond is simply seeking to cement his international credentials.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"..........

Why don't we have a steel industry any more? Because Thatcher stole it to buy English votes. Scots MPs vote on English matters in the UK parliament? BOO HOO! Try having a government forcing policies on you which have been rejected in every post-war election right down to claiming a mandate to govern with ONE mp in the country.

..............

Scotland DOES still have a steel industry but it won't have if, as happened with the contract to supply steel for the New Forth Crossing, contracts area awarded to Shanghai, Seville and Gdansk.

No doubt Mr Salmond is simply seeking to cement his international credentials."

Unfortunately under UK law he isn't allowed to give out contracts as such and there must be a tender process

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"..........

Why don't we have a steel industry any more? Because Thatcher stole it to buy English votes. Scots MPs vote on English matters in the UK parliament? BOO HOO! Try having a government forcing policies on you which have been rejected in every post-war election right down to claiming a mandate to govern with ONE mp in the country.

..............

Scotland DOES still have a steel industry but it won't have if, as happened with the contract to supply steel for the New Forth Crossing, contracts area awarded to Shanghai, Seville and Gdansk.

No doubt Mr Salmond is simply seeking to cement his international credentials.

Unfortunately under UK law he isn't allowed to give out contracts as such and there must be a tender process"

That'd be EU law, the EU Alex is determined to insist Scotland would automatically qualify for membership of.

He can't have it both ways, despite being two-faced.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

regardless...your still blaming salmond for something he has no control over currently

in the uk we are subject to EU law...your point is moot

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"regardless...your still blaming salmond for something he has no control over currently

in the uk we are subject to EU law...your point is moot"

And, thankfully, never will. My point isn't moot, it's possibly the single most relevant aspect of the entire separation debate nonsense - save to those too blinded by having a chunk of tartan pulled over their eyes - to recognise the truth when confronted with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

may i enquire which party you wish to be running Scottish affairs?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I'm of the opinion the Monster Raving Loony Party would do a better job than the Tartan Tories who are currently screwing things up beyond belief.

Even the decomposing corpse of David (Screaming Lord) Sutch could do a better job than Fat Eck.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

that's an opinion for comical value....very good...hardy har har

i thought you would be brave enough to say which party you actually do want to be running Scottish affairs

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I've made it perfectly clear. Anyone but Eck. He was an erse at Lithgae Academy and he's not improved any in the intervening years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i was right...you're not brave enough to say which party you want to be running Scottish affairs.....oh well

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By *akedninjaMan
over a year ago

edinburgh

hmmm politics on fab? i vote for scotland to be an independant country occupied solely by swingers from fab....who seconds my notion?

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over a year ago


"I'm of the opinion the Monster Raving Loony Party would do a better job than the Tartan Tories who are currently screwing things up beyond belief.

Even the decomposing corpse of David (Screaming Lord) Sutch could do a better job than Fat Eck."

Let me get this right.

You think scotland is worse off under snp leadership than it was under labour?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

going by the posts i think salmond maybe took his dinner money off him at skool

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" He can't have it both ways, despite being two-faced."

Seems to me it's the Unionists that want it both ways. They complain when it's pointed out that we will still be in the EU (no country which has seceded from another within the EU has ever been ejected from it. It has never even been brought up elsewhere and the EU have stated that this will be the case for Scotland), and then complain when our government follows EU law.

And don't get me started on the Tory hypocrisy of wanting us out of Europe for all the same reasons Independence is being sought in Scotland, but for us the reasons are invalid.

Salmond may be a politician and about as trustworthy as the rest of them but he hasn't lied to us *nearly* as much as the Unionists. Remember that old 'the oil won't last' trope that was trotted out in the first Devo debate? Still seems to be going strong. All the other lies they told and devo-positive reports they suppressed back then?

I prefer to look at the issue from the other side; Would you vote to join the Union today?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hate Alex Salmond he has always reminded me of toad of toad hall lol

But I voted for a scottish parliament and I am glad I did. But I will not vote.for independence - I don't feel it's necessary.

Whilst I hate eck I do think the snp have did some great things within the powers that they have. Free prescriptions, uni fees etc.

I know many people who live in england and their nhs is not a patch on ours, their council tax is.increasing and in a lot of places they are switching the street lights off at.midnight to save money! My nephew is a very bright boy but he's leaving school next year and cannot even consider going to university because his mum and dads income is just above the limits whereby he will get no help whatsoever. They have already been f*cked by the house market collapse and are.struggling with a huge mortgage. Both parents work full time, have no debt, but no spare cash to help their son fulfill his potential so he is up sh!t creek without a paddle.

So yeah I'll vote for the snp to run our parliament because I feel they have done a good (ish) job but I vote to stay part of the uk.

Lou xxx

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By *john121Man
over a year ago

staffs


"is alcohol the only option in your sponsorship process? if so then surely a fine malt would be a better option"

Why on earth would a fine malt want any association with second rate football?

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By *john121Man
over a year ago

staffs


"i'm against it, the main reason its a one way ticket if we get it theres no going back. take a look at greece and see if you want to end up like them. bet they never thought they would end up like this ??? "

And at the very least the Greeks have olive oil and tourism to help support them! Oh and a sunny climate!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The thing about Alex Salmond is not what he is telling us,it is what he keeps us in the dark about.

He has not told us how much of the UK national debt we will have to take with us on day one.We could be the new Greece from day one with all the debt to service.

We are not sure about what the currency will be,I certainly dont want the Euro.

If it is the pound and the bank of England then what is the point of independance also has anyone asked the Irish Welsh and English if we have their permission to use what will be there currency.

On the subject of free prescriptions and education neither of them are free the budget is just cut in other areas.

I should be paying for my prescriprions as I can afford it and those who are retired or cant afford it then it should be free.

I am a proud Scotsman but do not want to throw away 300 hundred years of joint history with the rest of the UK just to make Salmond KING.

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over a year ago


"The thing about Alex Salmond is not what he is telling us,it is what he keeps us in the dark about.

He has not told us how much of the UK national debt we will have to take with us on day one.We could be the new Greece from day one with all the debt to service.

We are not sure about what the currency will be,I certainly dont want the Euro.

If it is the pound and the bank of England then what is the point of independance also has anyone asked the Irish Welsh and English if we have their permission to use what will be there currency.

On the subject of free prescriptions and education neither of them are free the budget is just cut in other areas.

I should be paying for my prescriprions as I can afford it and those who are retired or cant afford it then it should be free.

I am a proud Scotsman but do not want to throw away 300 hundred years of joint history with the rest of the UK just to make Salmond KING."

King Salmond?....I believe Scotland will remain part of the commonwealth so the nazi descendant will remain in place.

When Scotland achieves independance Salmond will not automatically rule as such....a general election will take place.

I agree with your point over prescriptions and believe such things should be means tested.

Has anyone actually thought why the tory government didn't want the SNP to add the third question?

Devo max is what i would imagine the majority of the population would want yet that option is being taken away by a party that does not have our nations interests at heart and in fact a party that no one votes for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree with your point over prescriptions and believe such things should be means tested."

I absolutely disagree with that.

Why should someone with a life threatening condition or a heriditary condition (HBP for instance) be made to pay for drugs to keep them alive or stop them falling over with a stroke just because they are in work?

They already pay into the system through taxes.

Medicine shouldn't ever be means tested.

What next? You work so we want you to pay for your NHS operation?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree with your point over prescriptions and believe such things should be means tested.

I absolutely disagree with that.

Why should someone with a life threatening condition or a heriditary condition (HBP for instance) be made to pay for drugs to keep them alive or stop them falling over with a stroke just because they are in work?

They already pay into the system through taxes.

Medicine shouldn't ever be means tested.

What next? You work so we want you to pay for your NHS operation?"

Means testing doesn't mean if you work then you should pay but i firmly believe that the mega rich of this country certainly don't pay enough into the system.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

How are you defining mega rich? Souter? The Weirs? Connery?

What about those with a not insubstantial household income like Mr and Mrs Murrell, thought to be on £200,000 + pa yet in receipt of free prescriptions.

Moira Salmond? Hardly on the bread-line yet scooting around Aberdeenshire on her bus pass?

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By *empnbunkCouple
over a year ago

south coast

Alex Salmond

is a knob

that is all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On the lying allegations read and listen here: http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-politics/6141-the-echo-chamber-lies-and-the-lying-liars

HC, you rightly point out the things an SNP administration has done for us. Do you not realise, though, that the minute the Unionist parties get back in here they will all be ended. They resisted them being put in place and are controlled from London so will follow English policy when they are in power. If you want these things to remain you cannot, in good conscience, vote for the Union.

National debt? We had none when we signed the Treaty of Union (and it is a treaty NOT an act as the Unionists would have you believe) and agreed to take a share of England's debt in return for trading rights. As we'll have to forge our own new trading rights why should we continue to pay their debts?

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By *empnbunkCouple
over a year ago

south coast


"Alex Salmond is a clown. He was embaressing when he gave his speech after the Ryder Cuo victory.

Just my opinion."

That was utter cringeworthy ...even I could have done scotland better than he did that day ....i stand by my post above ..... He is a knob

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"..........

National debt? We had none when we signed the Treaty of Union (and it is a treaty NOT an act as the Unionists would have you believe) ......... "

It started life as a treaty but was later ratified as an Act of, and by, both parliaments.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


".........

HC, you rightly point out the things an SNP administration has done for us. Do you not realise, though, that the minute the Unionist parties get back in here they will all be ended. ........."

As is common knowledge, I don't believe there'll actually be a referendum. I'm certain Salmond will bottle it 'cos he eknows he can't win and he couldn't bear being remembered as 'the **** who fucked up separation for the next 100 years'.

That said, whatever happens, the so-called freebies (prescriptions, bus passes, tuition fees and so on) are doomed. They are simply unaffordable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Means testing doesn't mean if you work then you should pay."

lol, you can't say that with a straight face.

You work, you pay. Always have and, if labour get back in, always will.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Alex Salmond is a clown. He was embaressing when he gave his speech after the Ryder Cuo victory.

Just my opinion.

That was utter cringeworthy ...even I could have done scotland better than he did that day ....i stand by my post above ..... He is a knob "

He speaks very highly of you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As is common knowledge, I don't believe there'll actually be a referendum. I'm certain Salmond will bottle it 'cos he eknows he can't win and he couldn't bear being remembered as 'the **** who fucked up separation for the next 100 years'.

That said, whatever happens, the so-called freebies (prescriptions, bus passes, tuition fees and so on) are doomed. They are simply unaffordable."

Of course there will be a referendum. It's naieve to think there won't be.

How are prescriptions, passes and fees unaffordable?

I assume you have the figures to back that up?

Or are you just listening to what the anti nationalist parties are spouting forth and believing it to be true?

Next you'll be telling us that everything the papers print is factual!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Now Salmond is saying he will close Faslane and get rid of our nukes .. is he insane?

Lets open the door just a bit wider so we can let anyone in and do anything they like to us... i am off to practise my Russian!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Now Salmond is saying he will close Faslane and get rid of our nukes .. is he insane?

Lets open the door just a bit wider so we can let anyone in and do anything they like to us... i am off to practise my Russian! "

Has every country with no nukes been invaded?

Must have missed that in the news

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Has every country with no nukes been invaded?

Must have missed that in the news

Name one with nukes that have ...I need to turn my tv on also

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having no nukes in the country doesn't mean open doors.

I thought that was what being a member of NATO provided with the nuclear umberella policy.

Hope your russian is coming on and you get your telly fixed soon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Name one with nukes that have ..."

Allegedly Iraq, but they had them so well hidden nobody could find them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

300Billion plus maintenance costs of an estimated 50Billion per annum for something we will never use or need and all for the sake of a London ego trip. But hey, lets not put it on our doorstep when we've got that wee country we own to stick it in, in case anything should go wrong

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Having no nukes in the country doesn't mean open doors.

I thought that was what being a member of NATO provided with the nuclear umberella policy.

.....

"

Yiu don't think it's a bit underhand for Salmond and Robertson to insist the Nats vote to join NATO in order to get the protection of what is an avowed first-strike military organisation whilst insisting Scotland won't host nuclear weapons?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would rather have a condom on me and not need it rather than not have that protection then need it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Having no nukes in the country doesn't mean open doors.

I thought that was what being a member of NATO provided with the nuclear umberella policy.

.....

Yiu don't think it's a bit underhand for Salmond and Robertson to insist the Nats vote to join NATO in order to get the protection of what is an avowed first-strike military organisation whilst insisting Scotland won't host nuclear weapons?"

No. We've "hosted" the uk nukes for quite long enough.

Send them down south and see if they want to host them for a while.

Bet you 50 pence I know what they'll say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would rather have a condom on me and not need it rather than not have that protection then need it. "

??????

NATO membership is protection.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

NATO is about joint mutual protection.

I can see what Scotland would gain from NATO membership but I can't for the life of me see why NATO should be the least bit interested in what Scotland can offer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Knottys they dont have deep enough water inlets to keep the subs and nukes as was reported on the tv last night.

In fact Sturgeon said give them to France or relocate them to the USA ..Scotlands defences in the USA?

Surely these strange comments would make most people veer away from Independance?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just as well they're not asking your opinion on it then

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