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"This must be for Scotland only as we are going to a festival event on Saturday in England, and it has just been said we no longer have to provide proof of double vaccine or a lateral flow test. So I assume it's the discretion of the club owners if its enforced. " That is correct. There may be some restriction in Wales but in England no such problems. Silly politics. There are no rules about Scottish people going to a club in Newcastle so I suppose its not too far to go if you are after some fun. | |||
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"See this is the issue, none of your are looking at the Pandora's box that just got opened with this. Now the government decide what medical treatment you need, despite not knowing you personally or your circumstances You no longer have atonomy over your own body This will only creep further & further into everyday activities, prevent folk from living just for being a living human... And here was me thinking we were beyond 2 their societies like the past" We had to have vaccinations as children to attend school and if travelling to certain areas of the world jabs such as yellow fever, hepatitis etc are required. This really is no different, no 'box' has just been opened. I really don't understand why some people have such an issue with not only trying to mitigate the effects this virus will have on themselves but also vulnerable people. Smacks of selfishness to me. | |||
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"See this is the issue, none of your are looking at the Pandora's box that just got opened with this. Now the government decide what medical treatment you need, despite not knowing you personally or your circumstances You no longer have atonomy over your own body This will only creep further & further into everyday activities, prevent folk from living just for being a living human... And here was me thinking we were beyond 2 their societies like the past We had to have vaccinations as children to attend school and if travelling to certain areas of the world jabs such as yellow fever, hepatitis etc are required. This really is no different, no 'box' has just been opened. I really don't understand why some people have such an issue with not only trying to mitigate the effects this virus will have on themselves but also vulnerable people. Smacks of selfishness to me. " I don't disagree too much with you but it's a little crass when everyone tries to justify their values with 'protect the vulnerable'. for years no one has given a toss about flu (which is far more serious) and millions of kids go starving every year in Africa and people glue themselves to motorways to complain about lack of insulation. Have the jab if you want it, don't if you don't but lets all give up the virtue signalling and the amateur epidemiology. | |||
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"See this is the issue, none of your are looking at the Pandora's box that just got opened with this. Now the government decide what medical treatment you need, despite not knowing you personally or your circumstances You no longer have atonomy over your own body This will only creep further & further into everyday activities, prevent folk from living just for being a living human... And here was me thinking we were beyond 2 their societies like the past We had to have vaccinations as children to attend school and if travelling to certain areas of the world jabs such as yellow fever, hepatitis etc are required. This really is no different, no 'box' has just been opened. I really don't understand why some people have such an issue with not only trying to mitigate the effects this virus will have on themselves but also vulnerable people. Smacks of selfishness to me. " You don't need to have vaccinations for school, it's advised not mandatory as is travel into high risk countries...there's a big difference than being told you must, especially over your own health & body. Vaccines are for you not others, I have no problem with folk getting it for the right reasons...to protect your own health, not because you fear being exempt from society by loosing jobs or being allowed to be social, go to school etc. It's a useless policy when it exempts those who participate in vaccine trials...which you all are | |||
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"See this is the issue, none of your are looking at the Pandora's box that just got opened with this. Now the government decide what medical treatment you need, despite not knowing you personally or your circumstances You no longer have atonomy over your own body This will only creep further & further into everyday activities, prevent folk from living just for being a living human... And here was me thinking we were beyond 2 their societies like the past We had to have vaccinations as children to attend school and if travelling to certain areas of the world jabs such as yellow fever, hepatitis etc are required. This really is no different, no 'box' has just been opened. I really don't understand why some people have such an issue with not only trying to mitigate the effects this virus will have on themselves but also vulnerable people. Smacks of selfishness to me. You don't need to have vaccinations for school, it's advised not mandatory as is travel into high risk countries...there's a big difference than being told you must, especially over your own health & body. Vaccines are for you not others, I have no problem with folk getting it for the right reasons...to protect your own health, not because you fear being exempt from society by loosing jobs or being allowed to be social, go to school etc. It's a useless policy when it exempts those who participate in vaccine trials...which you all are " -- I have sympathy for your point of view Geo and probably agree. Unfortunately a swinging website forum is unlikely to provide a meaningful discussion about it. Just get a big cock pic like the rest of us and a thick skin for all the knock backs. | |||
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"See this is the issue, none of your are looking at the Pandora's box that just got opened with this. Now the government decide what medical treatment you need, despite not knowing you personally or your circumstances You no longer have atonomy over your own body This will only creep further & further into everyday activities, prevent folk from living just for being a living human... And here was me thinking we were beyond 2 their societies like the past We had to have vaccinations as children to attend school and if travelling to certain areas of the world jabs such as yellow fever, hepatitis etc are required. This really is no different, no 'box' has just been opened. I really don't understand why some people have such an issue with not only trying to mitigate the effects this virus will have on themselves but also vulnerable people. Smacks of selfishness to me. You don't need to have vaccinations for school, it's advised not mandatory as is travel into high risk countries...there's a big difference than being told you must, especially over your own health & body. Vaccines are for you not others, I have no problem with folk getting it for the right reasons...to protect your own health, not because you fear being exempt from society by loosing jobs or being allowed to be social, go to school etc. It's a useless policy when it exempts those who participate in vaccine trials...which you all are " Those unvaccinated from potentially lethal diseases such as Rubella and Measles aren't excluded from education, social activities, employment, travel etc so why Covid. Surely if vaccine passports are to protect the wellbeing of the nation and reduce pressure on NHS then we would have to prove we've had all available and necessary vaccinations, MMR, Polio, TB etc, not just one? I'm on the fence, if I thought it was for the greater good of population and there was a blanket rule that anyone who chooses to go unvaccinated against them all is willingly putting themselves and others at risk and therefore should be ostracised from society for protection then I'd feel more positive towards it. But it's not and I don't. | |||
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"Tbf rubella and measles are hardly rife right now in the UK. The same for TB, polio etc. Because of vaccines. Remember when the bullshit MMR causes autism came out and there was a resurgence of measles because the general public thought they knew better than the experts? What's different about this? It's not just a personal choice though, if you catch COVID and end up in hospital because you haven't had the vaccine, you could be taking a ventilator off of someone who actually deserves it. If you choose not to get the vaccine because you don't think you need it or because it's a ridiculous conspiracy, then you should also be opting out of any emergency care you need as a result of your decision." Madness - they'll be making us wear seat belts next! 
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"See this is the issue, none of your are looking at the Pandora's box that just got opened with this. Now the government decide what medical treatment you need, despite not knowing you personally or your circumstances You no longer have atonomy over your own body This will only creep further & further into everyday activities, prevent folk from living just for being a living human... And here was me thinking we were beyond 2 their societies like the past We had to have vaccinations as children to attend school and if travelling to certain areas of the world jabs such as yellow fever, hepatitis etc are required. This really is no different, no 'box' has just been opened. I really don't understand why some people have such an issue with not only trying to mitigate the effects this virus will have on themselves but also vulnerable people. Smacks of selfishness to me. I don't disagree too much with you but it's a little crass when everyone tries to justify their values with 'protect the vulnerable'. for years no one has given a toss about flu (which is far more serious) and millions of kids go starving every year in Africa and people glue themselves to motorways to complain about lack of insulation. Have the jab if you want it, don't if you don't but lets all give up the virtue signalling and the amateur epidemiology. " Not trying to virtue signal at all, yet the fact is that currently covid has a higher kill rate than the flu, and I have vulnerable people in my life. It's also more about the attitude that seems to have become more prevalent is one of 'as long as I'm OK fuck everyone else', which is a sad view to have. When did people stop caring about others? Were we always so selfish and petty or have we just not noticed? I try to do better. It's also possible to care about more than one thing at a time - being concerned about one thing doesn't mean you can't be concerned about something else at the same time. That's another thing that irritates me, this nonsense whataboutism that's really unnecessary and pointless. | |||
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"Tbf rubella and measles are hardly rife right now in the UK. The same for TB, polio etc. Because of vaccines. Remember when the bullshit MMR causes autism came out and there was a resurgence of measles because the general public thought they knew better than the experts? What's different about this? It's not just a personal choice though, if you catch COVID and end up in hospital because you haven't had the vaccine, you could be taking a ventilator off of someone who actually deserves it. If you choose not to get the vaccine because you don't think you need it or because it's a ridiculous conspiracy, then you should also be opting out of any emergency care you need as a result of your decision." 'deserves it' and who exactly writes the standard for that? the same people craeting a two teir society or the ones who've taken the ideals of the idiot box literally? As a result, certification provides a targeted and proportionate means to reduce risk while maximising our ability to keep open certain settings and events where transmission is a higher risk. In addition, the need to be vaccinated is expected to encourage the remaining sections of the eligible population yet to be vaccinated to take up the offer of the vaccine. any emergency care...so i can still ride a horse, fall off & get my leg broken or continue driving the car & have an accident or worse be the cyclist who needs treatment due to the motorist how about i get refused treatment for having unprotected sex & catching something like hmm HIV which has a 100% death rate if not treated.... all emergencies, none covid....covid is a virus with a 99% survival rate overall, of course the elderly & immune deficient are more likely to both catch it &b die...that's nature...we're part of nature, not above it & we''ll all die of something at some point largely unknown to us. you make no sense in what you say because all it is is fear & not logic or science natural immunity does exist and the fact the no medical exemptions are shown despite things like blood colts being an well known issue with vaccines...meaning anyone who is at higher risk from clots should be wary....like myself...I cannot fly without flight socks, experience pins & needles frequently due to poor circulation return & have had varicious veins before 30 & not during a pregnancy...no consideration for situations like this & judgements of who's worthy...well i'm sure i could argue that you weren't worthy of medical treatment either by your own lifesytle choices in one way or another and that you'd unlikely be worthy if we went by how you try to combat climate crisis's by how you live | |||
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"See this is the issue, none of your are looking at the Pandora's box that just got opened with this. Now the government decide what medical treatment you need, despite not knowing you personally or your circumstances You no longer have atonomy over your own body This will only creep further & further into everyday activities, prevent folk from living just for being a living human... And here was me thinking we were beyond 2 their societies like the past We had to have vaccinations as children to attend school and if travelling to certain areas of the world jabs such as yellow fever, hepatitis etc are required. This really is no different, no 'box' has just been opened. I really don't understand why some people have such an issue with not only trying to mitigate the effects this virus will have on themselves but also vulnerable people. Smacks of selfishness to me. You don't need to have vaccinations for school, it's advised not mandatory as is travel into high risk countries...there's a big difference than being told you must, especially over your own health & body. Vaccines are for you not others, I have no problem with folk getting it for the right reasons...to protect your own health, not because you fear being exempt from society by loosing jobs or being allowed to be social, go to school etc. It's a useless policy when it exempts those who participate in vaccine trials...which you all are " So your parents didn't get you vaccinated as a child then? Without looking I don't know what age you are, but myself and my siblings had vaccines as small children, and we also received various jabs throughout our school years. | |||
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"Considering approximately 70% of the population are fully vaccinated it's hardly going to be an issue for the majority of us." does that apply to disabled folk who ask for adaptions to access places like train stations? I know wheelchair users in my area are high, however if they want to go into city by train they need to go to paisley first to access a lift to get to the correct platform...they can only use one platform..but they are the minority 80% of uk doesn't need these things so lets not bother trans issues...that only affects a small amount of people...should they be stripped of rights for personal choice too?....oh wait they are fighting for them does it not scare you that you that if we keep with this current trend that in a decade we might not be able to decide anything we do or have done to our bodies? would you object if they turned round & said something like 'the world population is getting to big, we need to stem this and the only way we see for this to be done is mandatory sterilisation to the masses, your genes will be analysed (by the same 2 tier bunch of folk) & we will decide who will & won't be sterilzed' - you would have no choice, no argument & no exemptions....is that morally right? its better for the collective though...to survive...cos resources are finite not infinite like our current thinking drives along with belief in immortality. the above already happens without folk even realising what they the effects are collectively...mostly with down syndrome children...few are born these days, iceland, I believe hasn't had a birth in decades | |||
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"Considering approximately 70% of the population are fully vaccinated it's hardly going to be an issue for the majority of us. does that apply to disabled folk who ask for adaptions to access places like train stations? I know wheelchair users in my area are high, however if they want to go into city by train they need to go to paisley first to access a lift to get to the correct platform...they can only use one platform..but they are the minority 80% of uk doesn't need these things so lets not bother trans issues...that only affects a small amount of people...should they be stripped of rights for personal choice too?....oh wait they are fighting for them does it not scare you that you that if we keep with this current trend that in a decade we might not be able to decide anything we do or have done to our bodies? would you object if they turned round & said something like 'the world population is getting to big, we need to stem this and the only way we see for this to be done is mandatory sterilisation to the masses, your genes will be analysed (by the same 2 tier bunch of folk) & we will decide who will & won't be sterilzed' - you would have no choice, no argument & no exemptions....is that morally right? its better for the collective though...to survive...cos resources are finite not infinite like our current thinking drives along with belief in immortality. the above already happens without folk even realising what they the effects are collectively...mostly with down syndrome children...few are born these days, iceland, I believe hasn't had a birth in decades " . Some lovely quotes but we can’t change anything, Life is far more complex than having an opinion | |||
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"Considering approximately 70% of the population are fully vaccinated it's hardly going to be an issue for the majority of us. does that apply to disabled folk who ask for adaptions to access places like train stations? " Last time I checked people weren't disabled by choice though. Also we should accommodate the disabled. Why would you think that's even the same? | |||
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"Tbf rubella and measles are hardly rife right now in the UK. The same for TB, polio etc. Because of vaccines. Remember when the bullshit MMR causes autism came out and there was a resurgence of measles because the general public thought they knew better than the experts? What's different about this? It's not just a personal choice though, if you catch COVID and end up in hospital because you haven't had the vaccine, you could be taking a ventilator off of someone who actually deserves it. If you choose not to get the vaccine because you don't think you need it or because it's a ridiculous conspiracy, then you should also be opting out of any emergency care you need as a result of your decision." You could say the same that anyone drinking alcohol should be turned away for any related illness ? The passports are a waste of time, cases are dropping without them being in place. Have a jab and a form doesn’t magically stop you from catching or passing it on. Showing a negative test before attending these events would be the only way to show you’re not carrying the virus | |||
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"It's as simple as this. If you don't have the vaccine, you can't access certain places. If you do, you can. Either get the vaccine, or don't. People far more clever than any of us, have made the decision that this is necessary. Do I agree with it? No. But, me moaning about it won't change things. I think it's shocking that you have to be vaccinated to be granted access to certain places, but this is our new normal, unfortunately. Get with the program, or don't x" This is only applicable for Scotland only. You can get on any form of transport, cross the border and the rules don't apply. | |||
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" You could say the same that anyone drinking alcohol should be turned away for any related illness ? " We've never limited someones access to free health care based on their lifestyle choices before, the joy of the NHS is that it doesn't discriminate in such way. So why do people now think it's ok to push the idea that health care should be limited/denied because someone has chosen not to vaccinate. If we're doing that we should also anyone who drinks alcohol to excess, eats unhealthily, uses drugs, gets into a car; the people who require health care after doing so also put unnecessary strain on the NHS, and in many cases can also cause injury and death in others at the same time. Heck if we're refusing health care based on lifestyle choices and beliefs then surely swingers should have to pay for sexual health treatment since we choose to put our bodies at risk, and in turn can risk the health of others 
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" You could say the same that anyone drinking alcohol should be turned away for any related illness ? We've never limited someones access to free health care based on their lifestyle choices before, the joy of the NHS is that it doesn't discriminate in such way. So why do people now think it's ok to push the idea that health care should be limited/denied because someone has chosen not to vaccinate. If we're doing that we should also anyone who drinks alcohol to excess, eats unhealthily, uses drugs, gets into a car; the people who require health care after doing so also put unnecessary strain on the NHS, and in many cases can also cause injury and death in others at the same time. Heck if we're refusing health care based on lifestyle choices and beliefs then surely swingers should have to pay for sexual health treatment since we choose to put our bodies at risk, and in turn can risk the health of others
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"Considering approximately 70% of the population are fully vaccinated it's hardly going to be an issue for the majority of us. does that apply to disabled folk who ask for adaptions to access places like train stations? Last time I checked people weren't disabled by choice though. Also we should accommodate the disabled. Why would you think that's even the same?" People don't catch viruses by choice either *facepalm it is another part of nature we can't control...viruses will always be with us in many forms, they are part of the process of life & death. What this is doing is excluding folk for something which is uncontrollable by them (catching/carrying a virus), unwanted by them (nobody wants to be Ill really) & feeding the fear that every human is infectious until proven otherwise (being the passport), which is just not the case. A vaxd person can still pass on & be Ill, therefore it doesn't stop transmission, plus they are refusing to allow venues to accept negative tests, which if far more relevant to current infection status than vaccines. After this coming out this morn I'll stick with my gut instinct https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mystery-rise-in-heart-attacks-from-blocked-arteries-m253drrnf Now was it the vaccines or the stupid amount of high fat, sugar & salt in our diets largely made up of take aways which are everywhere...talk about looking after folks health upon mass...start with nutrition, dental & exercise...all areas Scotland falls way behind rest of Europe in. | |||
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"None of my decisions in the last 2 years have been based on fear. I don't fear COVID, I've had it. It felt like a chest infection for 2 days. I've worked the full way through unless I've had to be tested as that's my employers policy. As soon as the gyms opened I was back. Same with CJ's. I didn't get the vaccine out of fear, I done it because I knew what was going to happen. They spoke about passports this time last year, they were inevitable. My point about emergency care was to highlight the selfishness of people who choose not to get the vaccine, not for health reasons as that's completely different, but because of the I'm ok attitude or in protest of "control". The vaccines don't stop you getting COVID but they can reduce the symptoms and lead to less hospitalisations. If a doctor had to choose between putting a child with say cystic fibrosis on a ventilator or someone who figured "fuck the government, I don't need it" I know who DESERVES that ventilator and I defy anyone to disagree. I don't actually agree with the passports but I knew it was going to happen and that there would be nothing we could do about it. No matter which party is in power. But I also disagree with all the anti-vaxxers getting butt hurt because only us sheep will be able to do the things we want. But you know what, fuck it because I've got mine so I'm ok! Stag x"  | |||
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"Considering approximately 70% of the population are fully vaccinated it's hardly going to be an issue for the majority of us. does that apply to disabled folk who ask for adaptions to access places like train stations? Last time I checked people weren't disabled by choice though. Also we should accommodate the disabled. Why would you think that's even the same? People don't catch viruses by choice either *facepalm " But they choose to not get a vaccine proven to reduce the spread and reduce symptoms? | |||
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"None of my decisions in the last 2 years have been based on fear. I don't fear COVID, I've had it. It felt like a chest infection for 2 days. I've worked the full way through unless I've had to be tested as that's my employers policy. As soon as the gyms opened I was back. Same with CJ's. I didn't get the vaccine out of fear, I done it because I knew what was going to happen. They spoke about passports this time last year, they were inevitable. My point about emergency care was to highlight the selfishness of people who choose not to get the vaccine, not for health reasons as that's completely different, but because of the I'm ok attitude or in protest of "control". The vaccines don't stop you getting COVID but they can reduce the symptoms and lead to less hospitalisations. If a doctor had to choose between putting a child with say cystic fibrosis on a ventilator or someone who figured "fuck the government, I don't need it" I know who DESERVES that ventilator and I defy anyone to disagree. I don't actually agree with the passports but I knew it was going to happen and that there would be nothing we could do about it. No matter which party is in power. But I also disagree with all the anti-vaxxers getting butt hurt because only us sheep will be able to do the things we want. But you know what, fuck it because I've got mine so I'm ok! Stag x" So you heard about the bring in passports for a vaccine in trial & you just thought ok I'll get that...Nothing to do with the fear that if didn't oblige you would potentially loss job etc that is still coercion, expecially when it's on the scale that it is. Sorry but that is still not a determination you or anyone else should be making, we all deserve health care, vaccine status should never have anything to do with that...infection status yes because you need to know to isolate them or if they can be on a shared ward...considering there is children's hospitals...that scenario is unlikely to happen...nor are you considering what cystic fibrosis is or what it does...that's a life long illness that will kill young. Why are people saying they don't agree with them & then supporting them? In otherwards the irony in your that last statement stands...is that not exactly the selfishness you were taking about?...fuck you cos I'm ok. | |||
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"Also, the mystery rise in heart attacks probably has more to do with the massive rise in takeaways that people have been getting over the past 18 months and the time that gyms were closed. It's hardly surprising. Stag x" Given that we have a culture of eating fast food always....this rose is not due to that, it's too sudden... So back to the health then...covid is 10x more dangerous if you are overweight with poor nutrition... So someone who is medically unhealthy is not to blame for their own hospitalisation with the virus for not taking care of their body But someone who doesn't want the vaccine because they at a low risk serious of covid (medically healthy), religious reasons or concerns over the safety is a horrible human being that is just putting strain on the system & should conform to the norm of expecting NHS to fix it all... Kinda doesn't work when unhealthy people (via lifestyle choices) are the ones who strain the NHS in the first place...most of which just poor weight & nutrition controls...yet so many knock on effects... Your narrative is false | |||
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"Considering approximately 70% of the population are fully vaccinated it's hardly going to be an issue for the majority of us. does that apply to disabled folk who ask for adaptions to access places like train stations? Last time I checked people weren't disabled by choice though. Also we should accommodate the disabled. Why would you think that's even the same? People don't catch viruses by choice either *facepalm But they choose to not get a vaccine proven to reduce the spread and reduce symptoms?" Not to get a vaccine which is in trial until 2023, there is no long term safety data as these vaccines all use new gene tech too. What really stops spread is isolate when ill & keep yourself healthy to lessen chances of becoming seriously ill in first place.. vaccines don't magically fix you considering almost 45% of cases in hospitals are double jabbed folks.. And that without going into all the reports & giving the scary bits for concern...like shedding...should be doing that(oh psfiser themselves have internal reports on it) Oh yes this drive to make everyone have vaccines also ignores any & all natural immunity..which by my account is stronger than the vaccine...Feb 2020 - now, exposure to COVID all time via sons work place | |||
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"We have both had the vaccine so it doesn't affect us but I have had family members that came so close to dieing that I am for this passport thing. However there does need to be work done for the people that can't take it for whatever reasons. But if you are simply refusing to get it then that is your choice and you need to accept parts of your life will be affected by this. " Were they healthy? Do they keep themselves healthy? That's where you should be starting... The passport stops nothing! It doesn't stop transmission nor getting COVID!! Even less so when you're u consider that vax'd folk don't need to isolate...they can just carry on daily life infecting others...really The vaccine yes I get it helps our very unhealthy population beat death once again & we go blaming that on everything but our own (collective) lifestyle choices for it What's funnier is all of you looking for the quick fix...no one has suggested being healthier nor that our society should change to accomplish that like reducing the amount of take aways on our streets *facepalm | |||
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"So you heard about the bring in passports for a vaccine in trial & you just thought ok I'll get that...Nothing to do with the fear that if didn't oblige you would potentially loss job etc that is still coercion, expecially when it's on the scale that it is. Sorry but that is still not a determination you or anyone else should be making, we all deserve health care, vaccine status should never have anything to do with that...infection status yes because you need to know to isolate them or if they can be on a shared ward...considering there is children's hospitals...that scenario is unlikely to happen...nor are you considering what cystic fibrosis is or what it does...that's a life long illness that will kill young. Why are people saying they don't agree with them & then supporting them? In otherwards the irony in your that last statement stands...is that not exactly the selfishness you were taking about?...fuck you cos I'm ok. " No, I got the vaccine because I'm pro vaccine and not just the COVID vaccine. Trial or not. You do realise that the method the vaccines use is the same method they've been using for years in numerous different vaccines, don't you? The method has been proven safe over and over again, every year in fact, with the flu vaccine. No, it's the kind of choice a doctor would be required to make, should the situation arise. So you genuinely feel that a person who has the choice to mitigate symptoms and chooses not to, should potentially get the care that someone without a choice needs? That's quite a stance! And yes I do know what CF is, that's why I choose it. It's a genetic condition that affects the lungs and could quite easily require a respirator. But you clearly have the thought that such a condition would exclude that patient as it "will kill young"... Which isn't necessarily the case. There are a lot of suffers who live well into adulthood. I never said that I support them. I said that our opinions don't matter as they won't change policy. Just because the minority are annoyed they can't get into nightclubs. And my last sentence was meant to be ironic. I also said "fuck it" not "fuck you"... That would just be rude! Stag x | |||
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"Given that we have a culture of eating fast food always....this rose is not due to that, it's too sudden... So back to the health then...covid is 10x more dangerous if you are overweight with poor nutrition... So someone who is medically unhealthy is not to blame for their own hospitalisation with the virus for not taking care of their body But someone who doesn't want the vaccine because they at a low risk serious of covid (medically healthy), religious reasons or concerns over the safety is a horrible human being that is just putting strain on the system & should conform to the norm of expecting NHS to fix it all... Kinda doesn't work when unhealthy people (via lifestyle choices) are the ones who strain the NHS in the first place...most of which just poor weight & nutrition controls...yet so many knock on effects... Your narrative is false " That comment had nothing to do with medical care, so we will come back to that. What you're saying is that 18 months of eating more takeaways and some people not really leaving the house, even for work... So basically zero exercise. Wouldn't lead to a rise in heart attacks? 18 months isn't sudden when I comes to health and nutrition... Healthy weight loss is 2 pounds a week, 18 months could be 150+ pounds of weight loss. It's also easy for the opposite to happen 2 pounds a week weight gain is easy if you aren't eating properly or getting regular exercise. I'm very pro health and wellbeing and yes obese people are more at risk medically when it comes to a lot of things but obesity is a multifaceted problem. Whether it be health conditions, depression, lack of good nutritional knowledge etc. It's not as simple as taking 15 mins out of your day to get a jab in the arm. And I'm sure if it was most, if not all obese people would be lining up for it. Stag x | |||
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"Given that we have a culture of eating fast food always....this rose is not due to that, it's too sudden... So back to the health then...covid is 10x more dangerous if you are overweight with poor nutrition... So someone who is medically unhealthy is not to blame for their own hospitalisation with the virus for not taking care of their body But someone who doesn't want the vaccine because they at a low risk serious of covid (medically healthy), religious reasons or concerns over the safety is a horrible human being that is just putting strain on the system & should conform to the norm of expecting NHS to fix it all... Kinda doesn't work when unhealthy people (via lifestyle choices) are the ones who strain the NHS in the first place...most of which just poor weight & nutrition controls...yet so many knock on effects... Your narrative is false That comment had nothing to do with medical care, so we will come back to that. What you're saying is that 18 months of eating more takeaways and some people not really leaving the house, even for work... So basically zero exercise. Wouldn't lead to a rise in heart attacks? 18 months isn't sudden when I comes to health and nutrition... Healthy weight loss is 2 pounds a week, 18 months could be 150+ pounds of weight loss. It's also easy for the opposite to happen 2 pounds a week weight gain is easy if you aren't eating properly or getting regular exercise. I'm very pro health and wellbeing and yes obese people are more at risk medically when it comes to a lot of things but obesity is a multifaceted problem. Whether it be health conditions, depression, lack of good nutritional knowledge etc. It's not as simple as taking 15 mins out of your day to get a jab in the arm. And I'm sure if it was most, if not all obese people would be lining up for it. Stag x" So tell me how come folk haven't looked after their health? You've got a rampant virus on the loose which likes medically unhealthy people...which most of this country is & instead of fixing that, all run out to get a jab that protects them from this murderous virus...which is only really murderous to those who are unhealthy.. These sudden rise on heart attacks I going out on a limb to say have not been caused by poor nutrition & exercise because folk have are like that here for decades...this is a sudden unexpected rise that has occured this summer, if it truly was only due to bad habits then we would have these spikes after every Xmas/Christmas or other occasions when people binge eat & do little exercise etc Think you also forget that really your weight should fluctuate that much to have to even consider loosing or gaining regularly, your body naturally aligns with calories in put/ output if you do it right. I never said that being overweight wasn't a multifaceted problem...what I said is folk expect the NHS to fix it all for them...THAT doesn't work, that's why NHS is overloaded, instead of taking initiative to turn off the screen & do something else, stop chasing convenience...getting someone else to do it for you means you haven't put the actual effort into it & therefore less exercise for you, poorer health for you etc Plus i know alot of these issues are with government & councils...like the volume of take aways, lack of mental health services, lack of sports facilities. The systems we live in keep us Ill, from staring at screens & being seated all day...neither is natural or what our bodies are meant to do & causes many days off work with pain & stresses & strains on NHS..and for what chasing profit for a big wig to destroy your waterways, pollute your food sources, keeping you even sicker... It is because people don't see connecting links between things. Thinking sitting on the couch with that takeaway every week is a treat, it's a silent killer Every 'cant be bothered walking, i'll take the car' is another missed opportunity for exercise, fresh air & time outside boosting vit d, mental health & psychical health Every ready made meal bought packed with saturated fats, sugars & salts (even those advertised as healthy) is an opportunity missed to teach & involve kids & yourself with the food you eat, learn skills (cooking,maths, instruction following, food hygiene & safety), burn some making it before enjoying your home made meal of kudos Now at no point did I say that only people were to blame, I get that the supermarkets are full with shitty food often sold at lower prices than health. I get mental health has its affects & often deep set ones...what do you value more? The NHS system & willingness to wait on it to maybe help you or the only body that your gonna get in this life...I'd go with my body...the only thing I use NHS for which is infrequent, is to double check via tests a symptom & then discuss treatment which to doc the only option ever is big pharma...mine is holistic, which good docs know work better but can't prescribe for as they as often classed as unregulated...despite that being where medical knowledge & big pharma recipes come from. Your looking at the world as if everyone else is to solve your health problems, the only ones who can is YOU. Convenience is not your friend, it's killing us all slowly, give it up & stop trying to cheat nature, it'll always get ya in the end Btw when I say 'you' I mean people of your thinking, not necessarily you personally. | |||
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"Given that we have a culture of eating fast food always....this rose is not due to that, it's too sudden... So back to the health then...covid is 10x more dangerous if you are overweight with poor nutrition... So someone who is medically unhealthy is not to blame for their own hospitalisation with the virus for not taking care of their body But someone who doesn't want the vaccine because they at a low risk serious of covid (medically healthy), religious reasons or concerns over the safety is a horrible human being that is just putting strain on the system & should conform to the norm of expecting NHS to fix it all... Kinda doesn't work when unhealthy people (via lifestyle choices) are the ones who strain the NHS in the first place...most of which just poor weight & nutrition controls...yet so many knock on effects... Your narrative is false That comment had nothing to do with medical care, so we will come back to that. What you're saying is that 18 months of eating more takeaways and some people not really leaving the house, even for work... So basically zero exercise. Wouldn't lead to a rise in heart attacks? 18 months isn't sudden when I comes to health and nutrition... Healthy weight loss is 2 pounds a week, 18 months could be 150+ pounds of weight loss. It's also easy for the opposite to happen 2 pounds a week weight gain is easy if you aren't eating properly or getting regular exercise. I'm very pro health and wellbeing and yes obese people are more at risk medically when it comes to a lot of things but obesity is a multifaceted problem. Whether it be health conditions, depression, lack of good nutritional knowledge etc. It's not as simple as taking 15 mins out of your day to get a jab in the arm. And I'm sure if it was most, if not all obese people would be lining up for it. Stag x So tell me how come folk haven't looked after their health? You've got a rampant virus on the loose which likes medically unhealthy people...which most of this country is & instead of fixing that, all run out to get a jab that protects them from this murderous virus...which is only really murderous to those who are unhealthy.. These sudden rise on heart attacks I going out on a limb to say have not been caused by poor nutrition & exercise because folk have are like that here for decades...this is a sudden unexpected rise that has occured this summer, if it truly was only due to bad habits then we would have these spikes after every Xmas/Christmas or other occasions when people binge eat & do little exercise etc Think you also forget that really your weight should fluctuate that much to have to even consider loosing or gaining regularly, your body naturally aligns with calories in put/ output if you do it right. I never said that being overweight wasn't a multifaceted problem...what I said is folk expect the NHS to fix it all for them...THAT doesn't work, that's why NHS is overloaded, instead of taking initiative to turn off the screen & do something else, stop chasing convenience...getting someone else to do it for you means you haven't put the actual effort into it & therefore less exercise for you, poorer health for you etc Plus i know alot of these issues are with government & councils...like the volume of take aways, lack of mental health services, lack of sports facilities. The systems we live in keep us Ill, from staring at screens & being seated all day...neither is natural or what our bodies are meant to do & causes many days off work with pain & stresses & strains on NHS..and for what chasing profit for a big wig to destroy your waterways, pollute your food sources, keeping you even sicker... It is because people don't see connecting links between things. Thinking sitting on the couch with that takeaway every week is a treat, it's a silent killer Every 'cant be bothered walking, i'll take the car' is another missed opportunity for exercise, fresh air & time outside boosting vit d, mental health & psychical health Every ready made meal bought packed with saturated fats, sugars & salts (even those advertised as healthy) is an opportunity missed to teach & involve kids & yourself with the food you eat, learn skills (cooking,maths, instruction following, food hygiene & safety), burn some making it before enjoying your home made meal of kudos Now at no point did I say that only people were to blame, I get that the supermarkets are full with shitty food often sold at lower prices than health. I get mental health has its affects & often deep set ones...what do you value more? The NHS system & willingness to wait on it to maybe help you or the only body that your gonna get in this life...I'd go with my body...the only thing I use NHS for which is infrequent, is to double check via tests a symptom & then discuss treatment which to doc the only option ever is big pharma...mine is holistic, which good docs know work better but can't prescribe for as they as often classed as unregulated...despite that being where medical knowledge & big pharma recipes come from. Your looking at the world as if everyone else is to solve your health problems, the only ones who can is YOU. Convenience is not your friend, it's killing us all slowly, give it up & stop trying to cheat nature, it'll always get ya in the end Btw when I say 'you' I mean people of your thinking, not necessarily you personally. " I think I speak for the majority when I say. Get over yourself and STFU | |||
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