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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I was reading a series of interesting articles about "involuntarily celebrates", people who (for whatever reason) blame everything except themselves for lack of sex and are often apoplectic with rage at the prospect. They are, almost without exception, male.

I read the following passage: "conventional femininity teaches women to be good partners to men as a basic moral requirement: a woman should provide her man a support system, and be an ideal accessory for him, and it is her job to convince him, and the world, that she is good.

Men, like women, blame women if they feel undesirable. And, as women gain the economic and cultural power that allows them to be choosy about their partners, men have generated ideas about self-improvement that are sometimes inextricable from violent rage."

There's an ideology growing around this perceived injustice, where incels can't understand why women wouldn't want to have sex with them - the idea that it's their fault for being" unattractive and socially inept" does not occur to them.

It makes me wonder - how many women encounter these entitled (self-professed) "subhumans" and whether this ideology explains the awful reaction to rejection, no matter how politely it is articulated?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What are they celebrating?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"What are they celebrating?"

I type all that crap and you pick on my typo

RAGE!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

That should of course have read..


" I was reading a series of interesting articles about "involuntarily celibate""

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1Woman
over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!


"I was reading a series of interesting articles about "involuntarily celebrates", people who (for whatever reason) blame everything except themselves for lack of sex and are often apoplectic with rage at the prospect. They are, almost without exception, male.

I read the following passage: "conventional femininity teaches women to be good partners to men as a basic moral requirement: a woman should provide her man a support system, and be an ideal accessory for him, and it is her job to convince him, and the world, that she is good.

Men, like women, blame women if they feel undesirable. And, as women gain the economic and cultural power that allows them to be choosy about their partners, men have generated ideas about self-improvement that are sometimes inextricable from violent rage."

There's an ideology growing around this perceived injustice, where incels can't understand why women wouldn't want to have sex with them - the idea that it's their fault for being" unattractive and socially inept" does not occur to them.

It makes me wonder - how many women encounter these entitled (self-professed) "subhumans" and whether this ideology explains the awful reaction to rejection, no matter how politely it is articulated?"
I think this very much applies to both sexes!

A lot of women cannot accept being rejected too and sometimes their reaction isn't particularly nice towards the men either .

its definitely a two way thing.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I think this very much applies to both sexes!

A lot of women cannot accept being rejected too and sometimes their reaction isn't particularly nice towards the men either .

its definitely a two way thing."

I agree, however it's interesting that an entire misandric sub-culture hasn't developed around men rejecting women.

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By *akeheelsTV/TS
over a year ago

Edinburghish

Im confused by the whole thing, its never been easier to hook up, theres a multitude of apps, theres never been an easier, less stigmatised time to buy sex or erotica, theres never been an easier, or more accepting time, for everything from kinks to self improvement...and yet i see this misogyny in new clothes everywhere, from the blatant rage of incels to the befuddled redifinition of women in third wave feminism. I think that maslows hierarchy of needs has been fulfilled on basic levels, but people dont know really how to self actualise, and instead have become angry narcissistic raging arseholes....for proof please see most of twitter....

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Im confused by the whole thing, its never been easier to hook up, theres a multitude of apps, theres never been an easier, less stigmatised time to buy sex or erotica, theres never been an easier, or more accepting time, for everything from kinks to self improvement...and yet i see this misogyny in new clothes everywhere, from the blatant rage of incels to the befuddled redifinition of women in third wave feminism. I think that maslows hierarchy of needs has been fulfilled on basic levels, but people dont know really how to self actualise, and instead have become angry narcissistic raging arseholes....for proof please see most of twitter...."

It's far easier to blame others for any perceived shortfalls I think, which is a survival mechanism in itself (psychological safety as per Mazlows bottom rung!)

Incels in particular though see themselves in the bottom 10%, and that the systems are rigged against them (for example, what's the current ratio of men to women on Fab? 6:1? 10:1??).

The world of Chads, Beckys and Staceys is fascinating and very creepy.

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By *akeheelsTV/TS
over a year ago

Edinburghish

Your right there about ratios. But no one should be so stupid as to not recognise a stacked deck, or unfavorable odds. You want better odds, play a diffrent game. My number one piece of advice to any young man...learn to dance. Sounds stupid, but works.

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By *estless nativeMan
over a year ago

near Glasgow


"Your right there about ratios. But no one should be so stupid as to not recognise a stacked deck, or unfavorable odds. You want better odds, play a diffrent game. My number one piece of advice to any young man...learn to dance. Sounds stupid, but works."

Or if like me, you have 2 left feet, embrace looking like a maniac on the dancefloor

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Part of the problem is that parents wrap their kids in cotton wool with a need to protect them from... moral panics. Parents put their kids on a pedestal which instils a sense of righteousness and entitlement. If a child is consistently told they’re good even when their strength lies elsewhere they grow to believe they are actually kinda perfect. I would think your 10% are the products of some poor parenting where the parents believed they were merely being encouraging to their child opposed to teaching them it’s ok to not be good at everything and that to be good people we actually have to look, see, understand and work to be better. On the other hand, some have a chip that life owes them, with underlying anger and frustrations that suck the life from themselves and those that know them. Negative thinking is destructive.

Social media... will be the death of society as we know it!

Think I went off topic there...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

...and some men just don't realise the easiest way to get sex is not to make it all about the sex

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"...and some men just don't realise the easiest way to get sex is not to make it all about the sex"
totally agree

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By *ac995Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"...and some men just don't realise the easiest way to get sex is not to make it all about the sex"

The more you chase. The further it goes away

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was reading a series of interesting articles about "involuntarily celebrates", people who (for whatever reason) blame everything except themselves for lack of sex and are often apoplectic with rage at the prospect. They are, almost without exception, male.

I read the following passage: "conventional femininity teaches women to be good partners to men as a basic moral requirement: a woman should provide her man a support system, and be an ideal accessory for him, and it is her job to convince him, and the world, that she is good.

Men, like women, blame women if they feel undesirable. And, as women gain the economic and cultural power that allows them to be choosy about their partners, men have generated ideas about self-improvement that are sometimes inextricable from violent rage."

There's an ideology growing around this perceived injustice, where incels can't understand why women wouldn't want to have sex with them - the idea that it's their fault for being" unattractive and socially inept" does not occur to them.

It makes me wonder - how many women encounter these entitled (self-professed) "subhumans" and whether this ideology explains the awful reaction to rejection, no matter how politely it is articulated?"

Incels are creepy but nowhere near as prevalent as the “nice guys” and the “I’m not like all the others on here” as well as the “some guys ruin it for the good ones on here” brigade!

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By *adbury girlWoman
over a year ago

Lanarkshire


"What are they celebrating?

I type all that crap and you pick on my typo

RAGE! "

I actually read it as involuntary celebrities but that was my eyes not your typo

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By *akeheelsTV/TS
over a year ago

Edinburghish

I actually read it as involuntary celebrities but that was my eyes not your typo ...

Like smeato? Whatever hapened to him?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Like smeato? Whatever hapened to him?"

Maybe he's on here, banjo-ing about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"...and some men just don't realise the easiest way to get sex is not to make it all about the sex"

Also “don’t be just a dick with a dick”

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By *rgoodnbadMan
over a year ago

greenock


"I was reading a series of interesting articles about "involuntarily celebrates", people who (for whatever reason) blame everything except themselves for lack of sex and are often apoplectic with rage at the prospect. They are, almost without exception, male.

I read the following passage: "conventional femininity teaches women to be good partners to men as a basic moral requirement: a woman should provide her man a support system, and be an ideal accessory for him, and it is her job to convince him, and the world, that she is good.

Men, like women, blame women if they feel undesirable. And, as women gain the economic and cultural power that allows them to be choosy about their partners, men have generated ideas about self-improvement that are sometimes inextricable from violent rage."

There's an ideology growing around this perceived injustice, where incels can't understand why women wouldn't want to have sex with them - the idea that it's their fault for being" unattractive and socially inept" does not occur to them.

It makes me wonder - how many women encounter these entitled (self-professed) "subhumans" and whether this ideology explains the awful reaction to rejection, no matter how politely it is articulated?

Incels are creepy but nowhere near as prevalent as the “nice guys” and the “I’m not like all the others on here” as well as the “some guys ruin it for the good ones on here” brigade!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So have I meet men who think it is there right to have sex with me and if I don’t agree they shut down or go into a fit of rage - yes. Especially where I am from women are suppose to be passive when it comes to sexual decision making. I’m from the belly of the beast though - maybe I’m being too optimistic that it’s not like that everywhere

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For me sex in a relationship is a big deal

I want to feel wanted and sexy but I tend to find I’m the one who wants it a lot more than a partner, I could go out and sleep around but that just fills the sexual need and instant gratification it doesn’t necessarily make me feel wanted or attractive, I certainly wouldn’t bully someone into having sex because that totally defeats the purpose, but historically and particularly in marriage it’s very much seen that men should be the ones who have the higher sex drive and the women should have to just put up and shut up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"...and some men just don't realise the easiest way to get sex is not to make it all about the sex

Also “don’t be just a dick with a dick” "

Couldn't agree more

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By *ust the ticket1Couple
over a year ago

Kirkcaldy

I had never heard of incels until a few weeks ago when I heard Jeremy Vine talking about it on the radio.

Have a read at this news article about mass murderer Elliot Rodger and you can also find his crazy speech on YouTube. He really seemed to believe he was the good guy and it was the fault of evil women that he was a virgin at 22!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43892189

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By *eedeeseTV/TS
over a year ago

glasgow

I have just finished reading a book called Kill all Normies by Angela Nagle that touches upon incels as well as the broader online "culture wars"(Alt-right 4chan Migtow Tumblr etc) that have been raging on social media ...I'd heard bits n pieces about the various factions but it was interesting to read about the political Right's use of transgression n cynical outrage (formerly tools of the radical Left) n how censorious n divisive these entrenched identity politics seems to have become ....

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