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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Saw a wee piece on this morning about a buisness owner saying he believes some of his workers are not willing to go back to work excluding those shielding that he deserves to sack them.

He has all the relevant orders in place for a safe working environment so sees no reason why they cant come back to work?

I for 1 agrees with him might not make me popular but hey what's new

Anyone any thoughts on the matter?

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By *exicolaMan
over a year ago

West Lothian

I guess if the Gov has made it clear his business is now safe to operate then I am inclined to agree with him.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Yeah he is sort of a big shot plumber down south I think so he says they were essential workers so have always been in operation but gave his workers the option to furlough and most took it lol

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By *exicolaMan
over a year ago

West Lothian


"Yeah he is sort of a big shot plumber down south I think so he says they were essential workers so have always been in operation but gave his workers the option to furlough and most took it lol"

If I was his employee I'd be expecting clear guidance and assistance to help me work safely but I'd have no complaints about having to return to work. Furlough can't last forever!

Dont blam them for taking it either, I know I would have at the start of all this. Especially if I had kids / fmsily to consider.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Yip he said everything's in place but alot bolted out the door early on and are refusing to come back until they really need to.but surely that's just taking the piss now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Havnt seen the article, but if the guy has put all the safe measures in place, then i suppose he can ask his staff to come back in. There will be genuine staff who still have worries no doubt, but like what has been said already, there will always be piss takers

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By *ast RolloMan
over a year ago

glasgow west

Stop paying them and they will come back or go else where.if he has done his part to make the work place safe then they don't have an excuse to refuse.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Stop paying them and they will come back or go else where.if he has done his part to make the work place safe then they don't have an excuse to refuse.

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By *earded blossomCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

I see a lot of people using it as an excuse not to go to work, I'm sure they'll soon change their mind if the employer doesn't make up the shortfall once the govt drop it to 60%

I've done 11 weeks for my company in a different dept, the person whose job it is still sat at home even with the site about to reopen. I expect she'll be back at work once the pay drops

K

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Stop paying them and they will come back or go else where.if he has done his part to make the work place safe then they don't have an excuse to refuse.

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Depends on the job

If it's new build housing and still basically a construction site then yes , they could make it a safe working environment but if it's domestic clients and the plumber needs to go into people's houses then I agree with the plumbers staying away from work. We all know the timescales the virus stays on surfaces so I personally would be refusing to do work of that nature in someones own home. The guidelines also prohibit entering even family members homes.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Yeah if still been working throughout and I'm hearing about folk that's at home moaning the company are not emailing them to ask how they are? Ehe wtf about me doing your job for you??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree with him. Its clearly causing him trouble, hes even feeding them for crying out loud.

He was right when he said "they dont want to come back so we don't want them back"

No need at all for them to still be off work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yip he said everything's in place but alot bolted out the door early on and are refusing to come back until they really need to.but surely that's just taking the piss now."

Agree with this. Even this kicked off quite a few in my work pissed off leaving the remaining ones in the lurch. Some "self isolated" and some worked from home. The work from home ones have said they are not returning unless it is safe to do so and the work has to prove it. Bit of a slap in the face to the ones who went out and risked our families imo.

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By *ering SeaMan
over a year ago

Penicuik

Ah furlough, I’d happily stay on it forever.

Absolutely nailing my mixology skills and have the best “tan” ever.

Lazy morning and late evenings whilst getting paid. What’s not to like

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Please dont rise to this^^^^^^^

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By *tew008Man
over a year ago

edinburgh


"Please dont rise to this^^^^^^^ "

doesn’t turn me on, nope

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By *ering SeaMan
over a year ago

Penicuik


"Please dont rise to this^^^^^^^ "

Talking of which, good I can now hit the banks and cast a few lines now

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By *ookie an creamCouple
over a year ago

Fife

Mrs would love to get of furlough get back to work not one for sitting around.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The sad thing is the ppl that are taking the piss and just not wanting to go back even tho they can ..thats tarring alot the same

There are lots who would want to go back but sadly cant

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By *tew008Man
over a year ago

edinburgh

Wish I had got furlough, work just increased for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Please dont rise to this^^^^^^^

Talking of which, good I can now hit the banks and cast a few lines now "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Slightly off topic..(sorry OP) but I wonder what this will do for working relations going forward.

Speaking to friends, I know there is growing resentment in some work places....some staff feeling they've been left to pick up the pieces....other folk dying to get back to work but can't.

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By *vbride1963TV/TS
over a year ago

E.K . Glasgow


"Slightly off topic..(sorry OP) but I wonder what this will do for working relations going forward.

Speaking to friends, I know there is growing resentment in some work places....some staff feeling they've been left to pick up the pieces....other folk dying to get back to work but can't."

In my work there’s different functions . The folk that could do everything still at work the rest furloughed . There’s only one thing I’m not able to do yet I’m off . It’s the folk at the top that need to sort it out I’m waiting to hear how soon I’ll be back .

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By *andsCouple
over a year ago

Edin


"Slightly off topic..(sorry OP) but I wonder what this will do for working relations going forward.

Speaking to friends, I know there is growing resentment in some work places....some staff feeling they've been left to pick up the pieces....other folk dying to get back to work but can't."

Absolutely! As soon as they announced way back at the start that people with asthma etc needed to shield suddenly an entire department at my work went off ... we are not furloughed though they get full pay ... however, I know 2 of them actually have nothing wrong with them and are at it!! Totally pisses me off as some of us have worked every day and are having to give up our entire summer as we are now “open” I hope HR asks for actual proof

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By *andsCouple
over a year ago

Edin

Sorry I realise that wasn’t the actual question I just went off in a tangent!

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By *anny77Man
over a year ago

glasgow

I’ve been busier than ever since this all kicked off.

But I have friends on furlough who are walking the line between “want to get back to normal” and “worried about being in a position where they can’t safely distance from other people”.

I feel for them. Of course some people are taking the piss. But some aren’t.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yeah he is sort of a big shot plumber down south I think so he says they were essential workers so have always been in operation but gave his workers the option to furlough and most took it lol"

I’m (mr) in the same line of work. I furloughed my workers for 3 weeks at the beginning. Most of my contracts had stopped but there was still emergency work like leaks, gas checks, boiler breakdowns needing done. I had enough work to ask the staff to come back and picked up emergency work from other companies that were let down by their contractors. The upshot of this is that we’ve done relatively well out of the situation.

My workers were excellent and have not given me any issues. They came back when asked and not once questioned anything as they have access to all the ppe they need.

They have been rewarded with a decent pay rise in the last couple of weeks.

If you are good to your employees more often than not you will get the best out of them. If you treat them like shit they will fight against you at every turn. It’s a dangerous game the employees are playing for this guy though as there will be thousands of people looking for work and his workers will be easily replaceable

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Remove the furlough scheme now & get everyone back to work. If people can protest in large groups means they dont give a hoot for covid or anyone else. The government must be thinking this if not then they should be & they shold face the full force of the law

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I dont mind posts going off topic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wish we got it but both been flat out covering for others sitting in the house with there feet up. I wonder how they will feel next year when tax goes up to recoup the cost of the scheme

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wish we got it but both been flat out covering for others sitting in the house with there feet up. I wonder how they will feel next year when tax goes up to recoup the cost of the scheme"

If they've been furloughed by their employer and had no involvement in the decision making process then I fail to see how or why they should be made to feel guilty.

That was kind of my earlier point....I know plenty of people who want to get back to full pay for a full days work but the decision has been taken out of their hands. Meanwhile resentment is growing towards them from colleagues who are holding the fort.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

My point was that the guys company is ready to be fully open and hes still got staff saying they dont feel ready to come back but are going out to bbq and the seaside.

Yes there are still folk that totally need to shield but unless its medical folk really should be getting told to get back to work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My point was that the guys company is ready to be fully open and hes still got staff saying they dont feel ready to come back but are going out to bbq and the seaside.

Yes there are still folk that totally need to shield but unless its medical folk really should be getting told to get back to work."

Aye. They're at it. Get them to fuck.

Right....next debate please

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Remove the furlough scheme now & get everyone back to work. If people can protest in large groups means they dont give a hoot for covid or anyone else. The government must be thinking this if not then they should be & they shold face the full force of the law"

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen


"Yeah he is sort of a big shot plumber down south I think so he says they were essential workers so have always been in operation but gave his workers the option to furlough and most took it lol

I’m (mr) in the same line of work. I furloughed my workers for 3 weeks at the beginning. Most of my contracts had stopped but there was still emergency work like leaks, gas checks, boiler breakdowns needing done. I had enough work to ask the staff to come back and picked up emergency work from other companies that were let down by their contractors. The upshot of this is that we’ve done relatively well out of the situation.

My workers were excellent and have not given me any issues. They came back when asked and not once questioned anything as they have access to all the ppe they need.

They have been rewarded with a decent pay rise in the last couple of weeks.

If you are good to your employees more often than not you will get the best out of them. If you treat them like shit they will fight against you at every turn. It’s a dangerous game the employees are playing for this guy though as there will be thousands of people looking for work and his workers will be easily replaceable "

I will admit, I needed plumbers out to mine, as I had boiler issues, and they were absolutely fantastic!

They didn't have PPE, I didn't ask if they were worried, I just took my que from them, and yes, I did feedback how great I thought they were

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the relevant risk assessment has been carried out by a suitably qualified person. They should be back at work.

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By *adbury girlWoman
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

I think if proper precautions are taken then as many people as possible should be back at work if the service is essential.

We take turns at being office based and home working with the exception of those shielding, they are never office based. I am aware of one worker who has posted pics on social media of them in 2 different family members homes Albeit saying they were social distancing in the other homes. I don’t think that’s fair that they can spend 3 months not coming into work yet have broken rules I haven’t and I don’t need to shield I am also of the opinion that people have to do whats right for them and their loved ones but at least don’t put it on social media if it’s out with the guidance

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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)


"My point was that the guys company is ready to be fully open and hes still got staff saying they dont feel ready to come back but are going out to bbq and the seaside.

Yes there are still folk that totally need to shield but unless its medical folk really should be getting told to get back to work."

Unless they have an official government letter they are not shielding, it would be a stupid employer who sacks someone in that position.

If your H&S manager deems it fit to work with the appropriate Ppe to the employer is well within their rights to offer you the opportunity to return. Whilst the company could in theory sack you for being Awol at this time, again the legal advice is that it will end up in court and that's usually 5-7k before you even start the case.

Most employers will though place employees on unpaid absence until they feel they are mentally fit to return.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If any my employees refuse to come back when it’s safe they won’t have a job specially since we have paid them full wage since the start of lockdown

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By *lbie6Man
over a year ago

glasgow

I think if it's a safe environment especially now with redundancies I would be glad to be able to return

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By *ering SeaMan
over a year ago

Penicuik


"If any my employees refuse to come back when it’s safe they won’t have a job specially since we have paid them full wage since the start of lockdown "

The employee’s are not furloughed then ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My son has been working the whole time dealing with the public and he was getting grief off a manager when he took two weeks out with a sick line because he was anxious about bringing it home to his sister, they said he was changing his story about why he was taking time off, I wasn’t happy at all after all he went from being a weekend worker at school all week to working full time because he was one of four who volunteered to keep the shop open and hold the fort while majority of the other stores around the country shut up shop till yesterday !! The shop was making record takings and still is and he hasn’t yet received the ‘bonus’ they were promised for coming testing to stay on, the returning staff are moaning about having to go back to work in a nicely adapted environment ! My sons was working through it all before the adaptations were put in place, he’s taking it in his stride I’m more pissed about it than him lol he’s defo his fathers son super laid back

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm going back at the end of the month. I actually can't wait. Its going to be blended mix of at work and at home to keep numbers lower. I trust my senior management and we've all had input on how we would feel most comfortable and safe back at work. I've be grateful for the furlough system but also glad I still have a job to go back to after 3 months.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I think the furlough scheme has been a great opportunity for the piss takers unfortunately.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If any my employees refuse to come back when it’s safe they won’t have a job specially since we have paid them full wage since the start of lockdown

The employee’s are not furloughed then ? "

Yes we claim 80% but we paid the extra 20 off our own back

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By *ering SeaMan
over a year ago

Penicuik


"If any my employees refuse to come back when it’s safe they won’t have a job specially since we have paid them full wage since the start of lockdown

The employee’s are not furloughed then ?

Yes we claim 80% but we paid the extra 20 off our own back "

That’s commendable

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By *exy gentMan
over a year ago

Midlothian

Desperate to get back to work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I myself work in the hospitality sector, I’m desperate to get back to work but Until the government says these places can open again I have no choice but to remain furloughed. I think for especially in Scotland where we are behind the dates that England are opening back up it’s not fair to expect employers to contribute to wages while they are not allowed to open.

Everyone that I know personally want to get back to work because at the end of the day, we are still losing out on wages compared to if we were working.

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By *yrdsisWoman
over a year ago

Gleam Street

I was furloughed because my shitty team mates refused it. It was cheaper to let me (18 years in) go than to keep a temp on.

I'd rather be at work, but as they're obviously trying for redundancies.... they can keep me on furlough now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Furlough is voluntary. If they are refusing to work, cancel there furlough. They'll soon go back then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

loads of people have taken the piss with the furlough scheme and have enjoyed rubbing into people who are still working showing no respect for descent people doing essential things.

I have absolutely no sympathy for people who lose their job if they refuse to go back. life is never without risk.

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By *arlosF2019Man
over a year ago

glasgow


"Saw a wee piece on this morning about a buisness owner saying he believes some of his workers are not willing to go back to work excluding those shielding that he deserves to sack them.

He has all the relevant orders in place for a safe working environment so sees no reason why they cant come back to work?

I for 1 agrees with him might not make me popular but hey what's new

Anyone any thoughts on the matter?"

I saw that on TV and listened to what he said what he did say is no one reported him laying on food and paid parking for his staff

So i agree with what he said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are now 3 types of people furloughed imo.

Genuine people who at higher risk and whose employers cannot provide sufficient safety.

Employees of companies that are milking the furlough scheme while trading as normal but saving money on wages.

People that don’t want to work and are quite happy furloughed and will use any reason related to covid to make is as difficult for their employers.

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple
over a year ago

Falkirk


"There are now 3 types of people furloughed imo.

Genuine people who at higher risk and whose employers cannot provide sufficient safety.

Employees of companies that are milking the furlough scheme while trading as normal but saving money on wages.

People that don’t want to work and are quite happy furloughed and will use any reason related to covid to make is as difficult for their employers. "

How do you prove the second two options?

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By *vbride1963TV/TS
over a year ago

E.K . Glasgow


"There are now 3 types of people furloughed imo.

Genuine people who at higher risk and whose employers cannot provide sufficient safety.

Employees of companies that are milking the furlough scheme while trading as normal but saving money on wages.

People that don’t want to work and are quite happy furloughed and will use any reason related to covid to make is as difficult for their employers.

How do you prove the second two options?"

Companies only paying the 80% with no top up then say your having a holiday week which they only pay the extra 20% to cover the full holiday wage

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My work is partially open, and despite them saying that safety measures are in place, I know for a fact that these aren't being adhered to by the majority of those back at work.

I'm still furloughed. While I'm dreading going back, I know it's inevitable at some point soon.

The biggest problem for me, and a big part of the reason I'm not desperate to get back is travel. I'd be limited to the hours I can work because of public transport still being on reduced services (I live in Kilmarnock but work in Glasgow, and don't drive).

And then I wouldn't be guaranteed the hrs I need to make it worth it either.

L x

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Unless you work in a pub or restaurant or hairdressers I'd say by now most if not everyone should be back at work.

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By *exy gentMan
over a year ago

Midlothian

I'm not getting back till the 2nd of july and only part time 2 days a week

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By *ary_ArgyllMan
over a year ago

Argyll

Furlough contracts make it clear that it is up to the employer when furlough ends - it is not up to the employee to decide. Of course in a good company it will be by mutual agreement but the idea that employees are dictating the terms is just incorrect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are now 3 types of people furloughed imo.

Genuine people who at higher risk and whose employers cannot provide sufficient safety.

Employees of companies that are milking the furlough scheme while trading as normal but saving money on wages.

People that don’t want to work and are quite happy furloughed and will use any reason related to covid to make is as difficult for their employers.

How do you prove the second two options?"

There are also people who's jobs don't currently exist and their employers simply couldn't afford to retain them without the scheme. Neither party are milking it. I've felt awful suggesting the people on my team take some holidays during furlough, but the reality is when they come back there won't be enough time to give them all their leave and not enough money in the pot to pay them it.

I'm thankful I work for a charity who really care and even topped up to the full pay. However I genuinely don't know how they can sustain it past October. As we work with vulnerable people we likely still won't be open.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You will see people wanting to go back when the furlough drops to 60% in August

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You will see people wanting to go back when the furlough drops to 60% in August "

Many employers are milking it to claw back some losses, employees can claim they don’t feel it’s safe to come back as they are quite happy on 80% in many cases with money saved on travel costs it works out nearer 100%

if employers had to contribute part of that 80% in May and June or if it was only 60% twice as many people would be back to work.

This may be controversial to some but from the outset teachers have been trying to claw their way to the summer holidays. If teachers weren’t getting 100% pay, kids would have been back at school sometime ago.

The teachers that claim it’s not safe for them to return will be happy to go to pubs/restaurants at the weekend and will be on planes very soon.

It’s a difficult system for the government I know but too many people have exploited the situation. I’m self employed and I can tell you many of the self employed are far better off than they would have been. Not all but a lot.

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By *eestar38Couple
over a year ago

Ayrshire

sadly there will be many out there that won't want to go back or anxiety will kick in as they have not done anything in all the weeks they have been off.

And on the other hand the furlough for now is the only thing that is given people a wage as sadly due to this many of these people are at risk of losing their jobs.

Mr is one of them as he works in the aviation industry 800+ have been told they might lose their jobs and now face an uncertaint future.

Also have the shops that have closed permanently.

Even intu has went bust meaning that Breahead and all the staff in they shops will be made redundant and have to look for new jobs.

I can see why some people might not want to go back to work but the longer they are off the harder it will be to go back.

I wish i had they choice to take time off and spend it with my family but working in care that was never gonna happen

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By *ering SeaMan
over a year ago

Penicuik


"You will see people wanting to go back when the furlough drops to 60% in August "

From August, the government will pay 80% of wages up to a cap of £2,500 for the hours an employee is on furlough and employers will pay ER NICs and pension contributions for the hours the employee is on furlough

for September, the government will pay 70% of wages up to a cap of £2,187.50 for the hours the employee is on furlough. Employers will pay ER NICs and pension contributions and top up employees’ wages to ensure they receive 80% of their wages up to a cap of £2,500, for time they are furloughed

for October, the government will pay 60% of wages up to a cap of £1,875 for the hours the employee is on furlough. Employers will pay ER NICs and pension contributions and top up employees’ wages to ensure they receive 80% of their wages up to a cap of £2,500, for time they are furloughed

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/changes-to-the-coronavirus-job-retention-scheme/changes-to-the-coronavirus-job-retention-scheme

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a neighbour who's been on furlough since start work looking for then to return next week they said it seems that all precaution have been taken for safe working

Which I thought was good there moan is I shouldn't be expected to go back full time I should have staggered return to get use to work again !!!!!

Once I got of the floor WTF do they want selfish prick no intrest in getting country back working and rebuild all about them.

Poor fuckin diduns

What about all the essential services and workers busting there ass when in height of this crisis

Rant over

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have been working right through, in the office & at customer locations as needed. We have several on furlough and more working from home.

All precautions are in place in the office, risk assessments done & (somewhat stupid) rules enacted.

Offered them all a chance to come back in...not one took it.

Sickening.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolute disgrace how on earth do you rebuild and pay for all this with that attitude.

Won't want to return to work because of concerns over safety when suits probably first ones to book a holiday abroad unlike myself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have been working right through, in the office & at customer locations as needed. We have several on furlough and more working from home.

All precautions are in place in the office, risk assessments done & (somewhat stupid) rules enacted.

Offered them all a chance to come back in...not one took it.

Sickening."

If they are still working from home, why is it sickening?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Like any freebie from the government, people will abuse it. Simple.

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By *ering SeaMan
over a year ago

Penicuik


"Like any freebie from the government, people will abuse it. Simple."

Except it’s not a freebie, doh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Like any freebie from the government, people will abuse it. Simple.

Except it’s not a freebie, doh "

Whatever you say

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By *ering SeaMan
over a year ago

Penicuik


"Like any freebie from the government, people will abuse it. Simple.

Except it’s not a freebie, doh

Whatever you say "

You said furlough was a freebie, I’m asking you to substantiate that claim otherwise is just more hot air

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Like any freebie from the government, people will abuse it. Simple.

Except it’s not a freebie, doh

Whatever you say

You said furlough was a freebie, I’m asking you to substantiate that claim otherwise is just more hot air "

It's a freebie.

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By *ering SeaMan
over a year ago

Penicuik


"Like any freebie from the government, people will abuse it. Simple.

Except it’s not a freebie, doh

Whatever you say

You said furlough was a freebie, I’m asking you to substantiate that claim otherwise is just more hot air

It's a freebie. "

You can’t

To easyyyyyyyyy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Like any freebie from the government, people will abuse it. Simple.

Except it’s not a freebie, doh

Whatever you say

You said furlough was a freebie, I’m asking you to substantiate that claim otherwise is just more hot air

It's a freebie.

You can’t

To easyyyyyyyyy "

It's a freebie that is now being abused by people perfectly capable of returning to work but milking the system.

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By *ering SeaMan
over a year ago

Penicuik


"Like any freebie from the government, people will abuse it. Simple.

Except it’s not a freebie, doh

Whatever you say

You said furlough was a freebie, I’m asking you to substantiate that claim otherwise is just more hot air

It's a freebie.

You can’t

To easyyyyyyyyy

It's a freebie that is now being abused by people perfectly capable of returning to work but milking the system. "

How is this freebie financed, from a magic money tree ? Who grew the tree, who looked after the tree, who’s reaping what they sow

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By *bostCouple
over a year ago

glasgow

We’re in the strange situation that Mrs Pf hasn’t been able to work since lockdown but has been somewhat looked after by the governments Self Employed grant. However, she won’t be able to go back to normal working for some time, if ever. COVID will therefore have a very negative impact on us financially.

Mr Pf is also one of the few from his office who hasn’t been furloughed. What isn’t fair is that while the vast majority of colleagues get time off with their families on 100% wage, he is having to work from home 8-6 each day to ensure he can cover some of their work and his own. That is taking its toll in a different way.

The sooner we have a elimination and maybe even a vaccine the better. Get everything back to normal until the next pandemic.

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By *exysamforuCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

It's not free tax will go up for us all to pay it back simple

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

If they are still working from home, why is it sickening?"

Because judging by the amount of work being done by the few of us who've been in all along the 'work' part of work from home seems to have been forgotten.

Our HR consultants tell us that any attemot to insist on a return to office working or to discipline those who're slacking off is almost certain to land in court so there they sit getting paid for doing practically bugger all while I and a few others do far more than we should.

That's why it's sickening - covid's become the go-to excuse for every lazy bugger out there and there's practically sod all employers can do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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If they are still working from home, why is it sickening?

Because judging by the amount of work being done by the few of us who've been in all along the 'work' part of work from home seems to have been forgotten.

Our HR consultants tell us that any attemot to insist on a return to office working or to discipline those who're slacking off is almost certain to land in court so there they sit getting paid for doing practically bugger all while I and a few others do far more than we should.

That's why it's sickening - covid's become the go-to excuse for every lazy bugger out there and there's practically sod all employers can do. "

You sound really bitter about it all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

If they are still working from home, why is it sickening?

Because judging by the amount of work being done by the few of us who've been in all along the 'work' part of work from home seems to have been forgotten.

Our HR consultants tell us that any attemot to insist on a return to office working or to discipline those who're slacking off is almost certain to land in court so there they sit getting paid for doing practically bugger all while I and a few others do far more than we should.

That's why it's sickening - covid's become the go-to excuse for every lazy bugger out there and there's practically sod all employers can do.

You sound really bitter about it all "

If something is bitter is that not the same as being sickening, he already explained what he finds sickening about the situation. Next you will say he sounds pissed off. Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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You sound really bitter about it all "

I run the show. The buck stops with me. It's my neck the directors chew on when things turn to ratshit.

I've never asked anyone to do a job I wouldn't do myself, hence why I've been handling all the highest risk calls personally.

So yes, I'm bitter. Bitter that people are taking advantage of the situation.

Bitter that people who were first in line to demand pay rises are the same people who're swinging the lead.

Bitter that all the tools I as a manager would normally use to manage are denied me yet I'm still somehow expected to deliver results.

I'm watching a few decent people burn themselves out while their colleagues sit on their arses and drink beer.

Yea, I'm bitter about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

You sound really bitter about it all

I run the show. The buck stops with me. It's my neck the directors chew on when things turn to ratshit.

I've never asked anyone to do a job I wouldn't do myself, hence why I've been handling all the highest risk calls personally.

So yes, I'm bitter. Bitter that people are taking advantage of the situation.

Bitter that people who were first in line to demand pay rises are the same people who're swinging the lead.

Bitter that all the tools I as a manager would normally use to manage are denied me yet I'm still somehow expected to deliver results.

I'm watching a few decent people burn themselves out while their colleagues sit on their arses and drink beer.

Yea, I'm bitter about it."

It sounds like you're very unfortunate to work beside the people you do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im on furlough, ive been desperate to go back for weels but cant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be fair there are plenty of people that want to go back to work and genuinely can’t.

There are many people that can and there are also many employers of fully functioning businesses that could have their staff back but don’t want to pay them.

Very difficult situation but I think I’d be quite angry as a business owner if I saw these people in pubs at the weekend or on planes very soon which of course they will be.

Very difficult for the government to have found a solution to stop people abusing the system.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a few friends who cannot legally work at the moment but are dying to get back to it. Some facing redundancy too if government guidance doesn't change.

Not everyone is a sponger.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

true.

But ALOT are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are always those who expect more back than they contribute. Its no suprise people will make every excuse not to return to work. But there will be those who have genuine reason. Childcare is a genuine concern for many until the schools go back to normal.

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By *ering SeaMan
over a year ago

Penicuik

I’ll be dragged out kicking and screaming when I venture back to work end of July C19 permitting of course. 4 months of absolute pleasure.

Hic hic

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over a year ago


"I’ll be dragged out kicking and screaming when I venture back to work end of July C19 permitting of course. 4 months of absolute pleasure.

Hic hic "

43,730 families would disagree it's been 4 months of pleasure though.

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By *ering SeaMan
over a year ago

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"I’ll be dragged out kicking and screaming when I venture back to work end of July C19 permitting of course. 4 months of absolute pleasure.

Hic hic

43,730 families would disagree it's been 4 months of pleasure though. "

You make no sense as usual

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm officially back work and off furlough. Grateful to still have a job and grateful for the furlough money for the past 3 months.

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By *ering SeaMan
over a year ago

Penicuik

Thousands of employers abusing the scheme. Tut tut

Claiming the money and insisting folk work.

Claiming the money and not paying the employee.

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By *exy gentMan
over a year ago

Midlothian

I return tomorrow on part time basis, been off since March, so quite anxious/nervous for tomorrow

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By *ering SeaMan
over a year ago

Penicuik


"I return tomorrow on part time basis, been off since March, so quite anxious/nervous for tomorrow "

Good luck

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By *exy gentMan
over a year ago

Midlothian


"I return tomorrow on part time basis, been off since March, so quite anxious/nervous for tomorrow

Good luck "

Thank you, doesnt help when I don't really want to be their but a job is a job at this moment in time

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By *ering SeaMan
over a year ago

Penicuik


"I return tomorrow on part time basis, been off since March, so quite anxious/nervous for tomorrow

Good luck

Thank you, doesnt help when I don't really want to be their but a job is a job at this moment in time "

Exactly how I see it and probably millions more bud. Gotta help get the economy moving again

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