FabSwingers.com forum: Covid

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

This post might upset some people on here, and it might get people talking/thinking... I am a someone who likes to take time to digest and examine information available, and having done so, I,having took a lot of time to look at figures(and looked closely) have came to the conclusion that we are being caught up on a media scaremongering, different media outlets are giving different percentages on deaths and yes there is a virus... But its not the death sentence that we are being fed..... Its the commen flu on steroids..... Feel free to discuss without prej. And feel free to tell me my character if you don't agree. Hopefully people are.... sometime soon... Not media hyped... not to meet.

Think I've said enough. X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

350000 dont die of the flu?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"350000 dont die of the flu?"

Your quite correct, it was estimated 17-50 million for the spanish flu.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Once you have worked in intensive care and seen young fit people ventilated and dying then perhaps you'd change your mind. It's not just the flu.

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By *andyman1963Man
over a year ago

Ayr

The excess deaths compared to the expected level of deaths is over 70,000 for a 4 week period. Obviously they are not all due to covid but the impact of the covid epidemic has increased the number of other deaths that the NHS could have helped avoid if its was not overloaded by covid. The number of road related deaths is also much lower than normal.

If we stayed on the initial government route of heard immunity then here's the acceptable scenario they must have projected.

1% death rate, 80% of population of 66.6M is 53.3M so deaths is 533000 people just due to covid. Expected time period of say 6 months. If most go to hospital and intensive care NHS melt down would be an understatement. If the no covid deaths are similar to what is happening then you can double it to over a million deaths.

Now there's evidence of Kawasaki disease affecting kids who have had covid so what other health issues are going to be a result of having covid. You can expect that the lungs and other vital organs of many of the survivors who had it bad will likely have been weakened already some linking it to strokes.

So the main thing is that the best way of tackling it would have been to limit the number of cases by testing and tracing to kill off the covid strain worldwide like was done with all the previous potential pandemic that where stopped like bird flue and Ebola so why was the lessons learnt over the last couple of decades just discarded by some governments and not other.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

My friend who is a nurse... who I spoken with extensively about this matter, who I have a great admiration for, has said they are sitting twiddling there thumbs because the hospital has no one going to it because of the Media hype..... They are at a place where People need to be referred to get tested by there work, yet people are not quite back at work.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

"350000 dont die of the flu?"
250 000 to 500 000 is the estimated figure for common influenza 2019.

I think the ops trying to point out that throwing global figures is a scary thing to read.

The media nowadays can and does wrong the hell out a story with end of the world predictions it's very difficult to get an honest picture when figures are used to push the agenda that a particular source wishes to be heard place the figure beside a global pop number and its low the biggest problem I see with this virus is infection rate which imo alot of folk especially in Europe alot of folk simply dont take seriously enough

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are u medically trained?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are u medically trained? "
are you?

The thing about this is perspective. Although we are all in the same pandemic, our experiences and perspectives will be different. That applies to all things in life.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the OP, I'm just pointing out that there was no need for you to be so rude, insulting or aggressive towards him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not a different opinion, u have an uneducated one, find the right information before u think you know how to advise!! Are u medically trained?? I AM keep ur dangerous opinions to urself !! And seek advice before u speak

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am medically trained, this is why i see ridiculous posts with people that could never deal with what’s expected of them when it’s needed !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I didn't give an opinion. I pointed out your attitude. Clearly I hit a nerve. Seems I don't need to be medically trained to spot that.

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By *eoeclipseWoman
over a year ago

glasgow

Medicine is a science, science is not a "one rule" subject, it can & does change.

Many things that were said to be really dangerous years ago in the opinion of doctors and society have since turned out not to be true at all, like treating hysteria with electric shocks & basically a prison for example or putting tobacco smoke up someone's butt cured a twisted/ruptured gut.

Medical opinions also vary depending on the perspective of the researcher and how the data is collorated and in what perspective that data is presented. I could tell you right now the overall death rate of covid-19 in China based on the WHO data is less than 0.02% of China's whole population of 1200000000 people. It is tiny and insignificant in a world view respect, more for die of starvation in a year.

Lockdowns around the world have been put in place so health services are not overwhelmed and would then need to take a war time view of denying the old & vulnerable Health caress their chances of survival were slimmer.

Yes, this is all to keep more people alive that otherwise wouldn't.

Vast majority are not gonna die from it though. Just like herpes (cold sores) can & will kill a baby or someone with a lowered immune system but won't kill most if any adult carriers and that doesn't have a vaccine nor is it curable.

Medicine is an attempt to understand & defy nature, which we do not fully understand & probably never will.

I can't spell for shit today

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Medically trained are sick of the uneducated, get urselfs up to speed if u can n stop with the stupidity and thinking u actually know what is goin on, u have no idea.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

"Not a different opinion, u have an uneducated one, find the right information before u think you know how to advise!! Are u medically trained?? I AM keep ur dangerous opinions to urself !! And seek advice before u speak"
I am medically trained.......doesn't mean I know about viruses or how they come about or mutate unless you are a leading authority on medical science biology and epidemiology your opinion is the same as the bakers next door.

Claiming someone has a dangerous opinion imo points to a dangerous perspective where an individual believes only they are right and everyone else is wrong history shows folk with this trait are very dangerous instead of bleating try giving your opinion with points you believe show it to be the right one or continue to place yourself on a lofty perch and be ignored

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Aww ffs this Is getting blown out of proportion!!!

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By *eoeclipseWoman
over a year ago

glasgow

"Medically trained are sick of the uneducated, get urselfs up to speed if u can n stop with the stupidity and thinking u actually know what is goin on, u have no idea."

Funny that, I diagnose myself before any doc ever has, they just confirm my self diagnosis & actually various docs denied my vitamin d deficiency for 2 decades leading to detrimental effects in calcium levels which has affected my skeletal system. All because vitamin d & it's importance wasn't fully understood in the medical society yet.

Just because your medically trained does not make you right especially when you only need to know 60% to pass the damn exams. Could I become a high earning medical professional, yes, I choose not to because it's not what I want to do with my life.

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By *estless nativeMan
over a year ago

near Glasgow

"This post might upset some people on here, and it might get people talking/thinking... I am a someone who likes to take time to digest and examine information available, and having done so, I,having took a lot of time to look at figures(and looked closely) have came to the conclusion that we are being caught up on a media scaremongering, different media outlets are giving different percentages on deaths and yes there is a virus... But its not the death sentence that we are being fed..... Its the commen flu on steroids..... Feel free to discuss without prej. And feel free to tell me my character if you don't agree. Hopefully people are.... sometime soon... Not media hyped... not to meet.

Think I've said enough. X"

I'm currently recovering from Covid-19 and can assure you its not just the flu.

The only information you have cited for reaching this conclusion is that your friend is currently underworked, hardly the basis for reaching such a conclusion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Medically trained are sick of the uneducated."

Lmao. I'm just imagining you as a doctor or a nurse and I'm afraid I'm calling buuuuuulllshit. You've probably done your 3 day FAW and now think your a doctor. A real doctor or nurse would never describe other people as the " uneducated ". But if I'm wrong I'm afraid your in the wrong job describing others like that.

Hoping there's no too many spellin mstakes from this unerducted hilblilly.

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By *eoeclipseWoman
over a year ago

glasgow

You make the exact point why I didn't & wouldn't go into medicine, I struggle to empathise with defying nature's selections whilst destroying other species in it's pursuit.

Yet I can connect dots on large scale and micro scale far beyond most people's capacity, that's just how my brain works.

Yet we're uneducated, go figure eh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Aww ffs this Is getting blown out of proportion!!! "

I think so too.

I thought you're initial comment was merely a question.

I'm sure if you are medically trained I would have know reason to judge you.

Good post OP,

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By *ering SeaMan
over a year ago

Penicuik

This all escalated rather quickly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm medically trained in prostate massage. Does that make me a doctor?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is a dedicated thread to discussing covid... just saying.... though I know folk are free to post where and what they like (within reason)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ooops forum not thread... sorrrrry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm medically trained in prostate massage. Does that make me a doctor?

Only if you class everyone else with an opinion as uneducated.

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