FabSwingers.com forum: Offensive Slang

By *entralscotscpl7 OP Couple
over a year ago

Falkirk

So previously it has been posted that the term Jock is considered derogatory and offensive.

Do all Scottish people feel this way and consider it demeaning?

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By *ootall2920Man
over a year ago

Linlithgow

Not me.

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By *lnsafunMan
over a year ago

armadale

Personally not but it can be taken in same context as calling Chinese a chink Asian a paki etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doesn’t bother me

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

When i joined the Army all the Junior ranks were refered to as Jocks.

The same went for our regiment.

We were one of the six Jock regiments.

That was what were were called.

When I go to the rugby and football I'm referred to as the Jocks

I don't find it offensive at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If a straw poll of black men said they had no objection to being called the 'n' word, it still doesn't mean it's a wise word to use

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By *ink-KameraMan
over a year ago

Livingston

Words are just a collection of letters that we have decided are offensive when they are combined in certain ways.

So you can choose not to be offended or you can choose to be offended. Language changes quite quickly so in 20 years being called a Man or a woman may be offensive (I know to some it already is but at the moment that is a minority group)

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

Just Google searched and it came up with this-

The name Jock is a form of the name John. The exact meaning of Jock is God is Gracious.

Scots have been known to use the surname as one that describes a person who is very athletic and is heavily involved in sports.

Jock is also known as being a slang term that people used to describe a Scottish soldier.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not offended by jock but put anything in front or behind it I would be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This seems like a post simply to allow yourself permission to use what is a derogatory term I do hope you don’t use it with the wrong person one day and get hurt.

As for googling

“jock

A derogatory term for the Scots. Has origins in World War 2; the Scottish version of the English Tommy was a Jock. Usually either a term of light hearted banter or abusive insult, depending on the context.

Eh: All them fucking Jocks north of the border“

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By *entralscotscpl7 OP Couple
over a year ago

Falkirk

"This seems like a post simply to allow yourself permission to use what is a derogatory term I do hope you don’t use it with the wrong person one day and get hurt.

As for googling

“jock

Eh: All them fucking Jocks north of the border“"

Not at all didn't get the chance to respond to you on the other thread.

I use the word as I see fit. If it offends you me calling you that directly then I apologise.

As you have said it could be used as abusive or as an insult depending on the context.

I didn't use it to insult or abuse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This seems like a post simply to allow yourself permission to use what is a derogatory term I do hope you don’t use it with the wrong person one day and get hurt.

As for googling

“jock

Eh: All them fucking Jocks north of the border“

Not at all didn't get the chance to respond to you on the other thread.

I use the word as I see fit. If it offends you me calling you that directly then I apologise.

As you have said it could be used as abusive or as an insult depending on the context.

I didn't use it to insult or abuse.

But yet you continue to try and justify the use of the word, jocks are stingey was the phrase you used wasn’t it, how is that not generalised derogatory use of the word?

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By *entralscotscpl7 OP Couple
over a year ago

Falkirk

"This seems like a post simply to allow yourself permission to use what is a derogatory term I do hope you don’t use it with the wrong person one day and get hurt.

As for googling

“jock

Eh: All them fucking Jocks north of the border“

Not at all didn't get the chance to respond to you on the other thread.

I use the word as I see fit. If it offends you me calling you that directly then I apologise.

As you have said it could be used as abusive or as an insult depending on the context.

I didn't use it to insult or abuse.

But yet you continue to try and justify the use of the word, jocks are stingey was the phrase you used wasn’t it, how is that not generalised derogatory use of the word?

I didn't say that at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Obviously this is between you 2 but all I see is someone using a word someone not happy about that word so the person starting a post to ask if others are offended when most are saying no.

You will never please all of the people all of the time.

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By *ink-KameraMan
over a year ago

Livingston

A lot depends on the context. If your like me and your mates call you a Cnut or similar I laugh and call them something equally offensive but when a stranger calls you the same thing you take offence. It's more difficult with the written word as there is no intonation, and adding a smiley afterwards means it Ok to try and offend.

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"This seems like a post simply to allow yourself permission to use what is a derogatory term I do hope you don’t use it with the wrong person one day and get hurt.

As for googling

“jock

Eh: All them fucking Jocks north of the border“"

Mate to be fair your the only one complaining.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This seems like a post simply to allow yourself permission to use what is a derogatory term I do hope you don’t use it with the wrong person one day and get hurt.

As for googling

“jock

Eh: All them fucking Jocks north of the border“"

I dont think using the word Jocks is any more offensive as saying

All them fucking Scots north of the border.

Clearly it depend how the word is used and not the word itself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This seems like a post simply to allow yourself permission to use what is a derogatory term I do hope you don’t use it with the wrong person one day and get hurt.

As for googling

“jock

Eh: All them fucking Jocks north of the border“

Mate to be fair your the only one complaining.

Ok in my personal opinion if someone in person ever called me a Jock I’d spark them out flat on their back

There’s my one vote

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By *nferno sausageMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"This seems like a post simply to allow yourself permission to use what is a derogatory term I do hope you don’t use it with the wrong person one day and get hurt.

As for googling

“jock

Eh: All them fucking Jocks north of the border“

Mate to be fair your the only one complaining.

To be fair, though - he's a guardian of the galaxy. It's his place.

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"This seems like a post simply to allow yourself permission to use what is a derogatory term I do hope you don’t use it with the wrong person one day and get hurt.

As for googling

“jock

Eh: All them fucking Jocks north of the border“

Mate to be fair your the only one complaining.

Ok in my personal opinion if someone in person ever called me a Jock I’d spark them out flat on their back

There’s my one vote "

But thats just you. I don't mind being called a Jock.

I was proud to have served in a Jock regiment before re-badging as a crayon muncher.

And yes my nickname was Jock because I was Scottish.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This seems like a post simply to allow yourself permission to use what is a derogatory term I do hope you don’t use it with the wrong person one day and get hurt.

As for googling

“jock

Eh: All them fucking Jocks north of the border“

Mate to be fair your the only one complaining.

Ok in my personal opinion if someone in person ever called me a Jock I’d spark them out flat on their back

There’s my one vote

But thats just you. I don't mind being called a Jock.

I was proud to have served in a Jock regiment before re-badging as a crayon muncher.

And yes my nickname was Jock because I was Scottish.

Yes and that’s your perspective obviously stemming from army comradeship I can understand the friendly intent, my experience is having it screamed at me in an argument at work from a lad from Leicester

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This seems like a post simply to allow yourself permission to use what is a derogatory term I do hope you don’t use it with the wrong person one day and get hurt.

As for googling

“jock

Eh: All them fucking Jocks north of the border“

Mate to be fair your the only one complaining.

Ok in my personal opinion if someone in person ever called me a Jock I’d spark them out flat on their back

There’s my one vote

But thats just you. I don't mind being called a Jock.

I was proud to have served in a Jock regiment before re-badging as a crayon muncher.

And yes my nickname was Jock because I was Scottish.

Exactly you've just agreed with the point it's not the word it's the context it's used.

If a hot blonde said you were a handsome Jock my money is on you , not " knocking her spark out " lol.

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"This seems like a post simply to allow yourself permission to use what is a derogatory term I do hope you don’t use it with the wrong person one day and get hurt.

As for googling

“jock

Eh: All them fucking Jocks north of the border“

Mate to be fair your the only one complaining.

Ok in my personal opinion if someone in person ever called me a Jock I’d spark them out flat on their back

There’s my one vote

But thats just you. I don't mind being called a Jock.

I was proud to have served in a Jock regiment before re-badging as a crayon muncher.

And yes my nickname was Jock because I was Scottish.

You have obviously had a bad experience with someone in your grid square screaming it at you and I see where your aggression can stem from. And yes I would have reacted with force if I felt threatened.

But from what I last seen on the Holiday Post the OP clearly didn't mean any offence by calling people jocks.

You jumped on the offensive stating they had offended you, but didn't give the explination above.

As folks have said it depends on what context you take it. For me its not an issue.

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By *lixerMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I find Jock totally belittling and totally racist. It is always, always used as a belittling term. And there is no equivalent work for an Englishman.

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"I find Jock totally belittling and totally racist. It is always, always used as a belittling term. And there is no equivalent work for an Englishman. "

Oh I could think of plenty lol

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By *uckOfTheBayMan
over a year ago

Mold

I don't think the Welsh see themselves being called Taff's offensive either...

Unless you're from the North, and then you're a Gog

Geordies are proud to be known as that, and so are Maccems. Brummies and Scouser too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I find Jock totally belittling and totally racist. It is always, always used as a belittling term. And there is no equivalent work for an Englishman.

Oh I could think of plenty lol"

Yeah but the context of random banter on a thread you wouldn’t use them because you know they’re questionable words? Right?

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"I find Jock totally belittling and totally racist. It is always, always used as a belittling term. And there is no equivalent work for an Englishman.

Oh I could think of plenty lol

Yeah but the context of random banter on a thread you wouldn’t use them because you know they’re questionable words? Right? "

You correct it would come down to the context.

If it was a military thread I would expect all sorts of prophanities and abuse as we greet each other with abusive slang.

But to be called a Jock in a Scottish thread by another Scotsman i don't think was meant as abuse, certainly not racist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I find Jock totally belittling and totally racist. It is always, always used as a belittling term. And there is no equivalent work for an Englishman.

Oh I could think of plenty lol

Yeah but the context of random banter on a thread you wouldn’t use them because you know they’re questionable words? Right?

You correct it would come down to the context.

If it was a military thread I would expect all sorts of prophanities and abuse as we greet each other with abusive slang.

But to be called a Jock in a Scottish thread by another Scotsman i don't think was meant as abuse, certainly not racist. "

They were Scottish?

it said East Midlands

oops

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"I find Jock totally belittling and totally racist. It is always, always used as a belittling term. And there is no equivalent work for an Englishman.

Oh I could think of plenty lol

Yeah but the context of random banter on a thread you wouldn’t use them because you know they’re questionable words? Right?

You correct it would come down to the context.

If it was a military thread I would expect all sorts of prophanities and abuse as we greet each other with abusive slang.

But to be called a Jock in a Scottish thread by another Scotsman i don't think was meant as abuse, certainly not racist.

They were Scottish?

it said East Midlands

oops

Yep lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I find Jock totally belittling and totally racist. It is always, always used as a belittling term. And there is no equivalent work for an Englishman.

Oh I could think of plenty lol

Yeah but the context of random banter on a thread you wouldn’t use them because you know they’re questionable words? Right?

You correct it would come down to the context.

If it was a military thread I would expect all sorts of prophanities and abuse as we greet each other with abusive slang.

But to be called a Jock in a Scottish thread by another Scotsman i don't think was meant as abuse, certainly not racist.

They were Scottish?

it said East Midlands

oops

Yep lol.

Ah well

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"I find Jock totally belittling and totally racist. It is always, always used as a belittling term. And there is no equivalent work for an Englishman.

Oh I could think of plenty lol

Yeah but the context of random banter on a thread you wouldn’t use them because you know they’re questionable words? Right?

You correct it would come down to the context.

If it was a military thread I would expect all sorts of prophanities and abuse as we greet each other with abusive slang.

But to be called a Jock in a Scottish thread by another Scotsman i don't think was meant as abuse, certainly not racist.

They were Scottish?

it said East Midlands

oops

Yep lol.

Ah well

See what happens when you think with the red mist.

You have just hounded them because you thought they were English.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I find Jock totally belittling and totally racist. It is always, always used as a belittling term. And there is no equivalent work for an Englishman.

Oh I could think of plenty lol

Yeah but the context of random banter on a thread you wouldn’t use them because you know they’re questionable words? Right?

You correct it would come down to the context.

If it was a military thread I would expect all sorts of prophanities and abuse as we greet each other with abusive slang.

But to be called a Jock in a Scottish thread by another Scotsman i don't think was meant as abuse, certainly not racist.

They were Scottish?

it said East Midlands

oops

Yep lol.

Ah well

See what happens when you think with the red mist.

You have just hounded them because you thought they were English.

Ah but I didn’t use slurs like I thought they were

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But hey ho! Lesson learned I’ll try not to jump to conclusions if people don’t use stereotypes, I’d have done the same if the N word was used or any other slur as I simply can’t stand the use of racial stereotypes

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

Lessons Learned, that was a regular saying in the army for when you fucked up and the SNCO was looking for a slab or bottle to keep it quiet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Lessons Learned, that was a regular saying in the army for when you fucked up and the SNCO was looking for a slab or bottle to keep it quiet.

Only Jock I’ve ever known was a guy who’s real name was John but he was a well old guy but I figure John and jock are transferable as well and George and Dode. Never understood that one though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A black guy I used to meet on the odd occasion always said the N word didnt offend him or his mates yet I find it totally offensive.so yip it's up to the individual's that uses it.

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By *elly72Woman
over a year ago

glasgow

People need to stop being so easily offended fs if being called jockette was my only worries I’d be sorted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People need to stop being so easily offended fs if being called jockette was my only worries I’d be sorted "

Or people can stop using language that they know could be taken in offence

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By *irth VaderMan
over a year ago

glasgow

Anyone who says being called aJock genuinely offends them is talking 5h1tE.

It’s a word made of four letters that’s all. If you WANT to take offence to it then that’s your problem not anyone else’s.

I’m sure you can see that this boils my pi55

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By *amaraBeaverbankWoman
over a year ago

Benidorm Spain

I don’t take offence it but oftentimes it’s use to give offence. I won’t let myself be upset by words. I was called a porridge wog once in the east end of London by a guy determined to get a rise out of me. I laughed in his face and walked away.

I do My damndest not to give anyone that power over me.

It is however, all about context

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By *ootall2920Man
over a year ago

Linlithgow

"I don’t take offence it but oftentimes it’s use to give offence. I won’t let myself be upset by words. I was called a porridge wog once in the east end of London by a guy determined to get a rise out of me. I laughed in his face and walked away.

I do My damndest not to give anyone that power over me.

It is however, all about context "

Porridge wog is quite amusing. I've never heard that one before.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do My damndest not to give anyone that power over me.

It is however, all about context

Porridge wog is quite amusing. I've never heard that one before. "

It was being thrown about as an insult a fair bit during the independence referendum.

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By *rgoodnbadMan
over a year ago

greenock

Don't people have names you can call them by?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Arent folk from Newcastle referred to as southern jocks?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do My damndest not to give anyone that power over me.

It is however, all about context

Porridge wog is quite amusing. I've never heard that one before. "

Oh! That's new

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By *egs11ABCWoman
over a year ago

Aberdeen

The only one that grated on me was an english collegues used to refer to Scots as "scotch". I kept pointing out to him that scotch came in a bottle. But he came from Wimbledon and we called him the Womble and hes still affectionately known as that 24 years later but still winds me up about being scotch

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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

An ancient English middle class term used to collectify a nations people not as individuals but as a group to be trivialised, brutalised and demeaned.

Ever wonder how the Irish, Welsh and Scots all got christened with these false names, it was to downgrade their deaths in war as compared to the Englishman.

I'm not a "Jock", I have a name, ask it I'll tell you and then use it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doesn’t bother me it’s only a name there’s far worse things that do harm out there

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By *ullie-kingMan
over a year ago

newmains

The eld sweaty sock, plenty banter had with my half baked paddy bastard friends from N.I ... it's all fun n games, if you take offence then obv not my type of humoured person

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By *ock69erMan
over a year ago

Middle o’ Fife

"So previously it has been posted that the term Jock is considered derogatory and offensive.

Do all Scottish people feel this way and consider it demeaning?"

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Not at all, I'm a Scotsman and I work in England.

There's six other Scotsmen in the same office and we're all called Jock

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

Words are words nothing more and nothing less it's the context and ways they are used that makes them racist outlawing speech will never work there will always be devides.

Unfortunately as I see it now to many folk get but hurt third party and cause a hohaa

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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

"So previously it has been posted that the term Jock is considered derogatory and offensive.

Do all Scottish people feel this way and consider it demeaning?

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Not at all, I'm a Scotsman and I work in England.

There's six other Scotsmen in the same office and we're all called Jock

Do none of you have an actual individual name? Wierd

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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

"Words are words nothing more and nothing less it's the context and ways they are used that makes them racist outlawing speech will never work there will always be devides.

Unfortunately as I see it now to many folk get but hurt third party and cause a hohaa"

Words start wars mate, if everyone was respectful in the way the address others there would be no hohaa, dont you agree?

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"Words are words nothing more and nothing less it's the context and ways they are used that makes them racist outlawing speech will never work there will always be devides.

Unfortunately as I see it now to many folk get but hurt third party and cause a hohaa

Words start wars mate, if everyone was respectful in the way the address others there would be no hohaa, dont you agree?"

Words can also resolve many issues.

I would bet that most on here are respectful and those that are not would use far better obscenities than the word Jock.

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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

"Words are words nothing more and nothing less it's the context and ways they are used that makes them racist outlawing speech will never work there will always be devides.

Unfortunately as I see it now to many folk get but hurt third party and cause a hohaa

Words start wars mate, if everyone was respectful in the way the address others there would be no hohaa, dont you agree?

Words can also resolve many issues.

I would bet that most on here are respectful and those that are not would use far better obscenities than the word Jock.

So you agree Jock is disrespectful then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So previously it has been posted that the term Jock is considered derogatory and offensive.

Do all Scottish people feel this way and consider it demeaning?

No lol

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"Words are words nothing more and nothing less it's the context and ways they are used that makes them racist outlawing speech will never work there will always be devides.

Unfortunately as I see it now to many folk get but hurt third party and cause a hohaa

Words start wars mate, if everyone was respectful in the way the address others there would be no hohaa, dont you agree?

Words can also resolve many issues.

I would bet that most on here are respectful and those that are not would use far better obscenities than the word Jock.

So you agree Jock is disrespectful then?

No it doesn't offend me. If you read my comments further up the post you will see why.

You said yourself you have a name, however until you tell me what it is and how you like to be addressed, I would default to my generic terminology and call you mate.

Its a generalisation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I used to be in the RFA (No, I didnt mean RAF), the Scots were often referred to as Jocks. Or the rhyming slang, "sweaty socks" then just "sweatys". If Jock offends you then I cant imagine how you would feel being called a sweaty sock! Its harmless banter.

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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

"Words are words nothing more and nothing less it's the context and ways they are used that makes them racist outlawing speech will never work there will always be devides.

Unfortunately as I see it now to many folk get but hurt third party and cause a hohaa

Words start wars mate, if everyone was respectful in the way the address others there would be no hohaa, dont you agree?

Words can also resolve many issues.

I would bet that most on here are respectful and those that are not would use far better obscenities than the word Jock.

So you agree Jock is disrespectful then?

No it doesn't offend me. If you read my comments further up the post you will see why.

You said yourself you have a name, however until you tell me what it is and how you like to be addressed, I would default to my generic terminology and call you mate.

Its a generalisation.

I'm comfortable with mate, its neither inflammatory or derogatory, I would to the same with you.

I wouldnt though refer to you as a Paddy and not expect to get told to fuck off.

Have a good isolation day matey

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"Words are words nothing more and nothing less it's the context and ways they are used that makes them racist outlawing speech will never work there will always be devides.

Unfortunately as I see it now to many folk get but hurt third party and cause a hohaa

Words start wars mate, if everyone was respectful in the way the address others there would be no hohaa, dont you agree?

Words can also resolve many issues.

I would bet that most on here are respectful and those that are not would use far better obscenities than the word Jock.

So you agree Jock is disrespectful then?

No it doesn't offend me. If you read my comments further up the post you will see why.

You said yourself you have a name, however until you tell me what it is and how you like to be addressed, I would default to my generic terminology and call you mate.

Its a generalisation.

I'm comfortable with mate, its neither inflammatory or derogatory, I would to the same with you.

I wouldnt though refer to you as a Paddy and not expect to get told to fuck off.

Have a good isolation day matey

Paddy Power Betting must offending a few folks then.

Luck of the Irish and all that

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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

"Words are words nothing more and nothing less it's the context and ways they are used that makes them racist outlawing speech will never work there will always be devides.

Unfortunately as I see it now to many folk get but hurt third party and cause a hohaa

Words start wars mate, if everyone was respectful in the way the address others there would be no hohaa, dont you agree?

Words can also resolve many issues.

I would bet that most on here are respectful and those that are not would use far better obscenities than the word Jock.

So you agree Jock is disrespectful then?

No it doesn't offend me. If you read my comments further up the post you will see why.

You said yourself you have a name, however until you tell me what it is and how you like to be addressed, I would default to my generic terminology and call you mate.

Its a generalisation.

I'm comfortable with mate, its neither inflammatory or derogatory, I would to the same with you.

I wouldnt though refer to you as a Paddy and not expect to get told to fuck off.

Have a good isolation day matey

Paddy Power Betting must offending a few folks then.

Luck of the Irish and all that

Correct, I know quite a few Irish people it does offend.

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By *imbobaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

On a semi related note watched a very entertaining documentary “Scotland - Contains Strong Language” earlier this week. Title gives away the subject.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

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"Words are words nothing more and nothing less it's the context and ways they are used that makes them racist outlawing speech will never work there will always be devides.

Unfortunately as I see it now to many folk get but hurt third party and cause a hohaa

Words start wars mate, if everyone was respectful in the way the address others there would be no hohaa, dont you agree?"
words start arguments not wars.

prime example calling me mate when you don't know me.

Its escalation that takes it to bad places.

Its akin to saying breathing causes wars.

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