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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Things are heating up along the Greek border.

Turkish military are trying to rip away fences to allow for the migrants to push through.

The situation is basically this; the Greek army is defending its borders, the Turkish army is behind the migrants hindering them from going back. Turkish authorities are also pushing more people towards the border.

Turkey also know up to 4 million migrants crossing into europe will cause untold chaos. Only 4% are said to be Syrian. The choice for Merkel and the EU is this..

Do they side with the Greeks and assist them or do they do nothing and let everyone in, after all they wont be staying where they come through but will be heading for northern Europe.

I stand with the Greeks and support them to do whatever it takes to protect their borders

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Things are heating up along the Greek border.

Turkish military are trying to rip away fences to allow for the migrants to push through.

Turkey also know up to 4 million migrants crossing into europe will cause untold chaos. Only 4% are said to be Syrian. The choice for Merkel and the EU is this..

Do they side with the Greeks and assist them or do they do nothing and let everyone in, after all they wont be staying where they come through but will be heading for northern Europe.

I stand with the Greeks and support them to do whatever it takes to protect their borders

What's the solution for the refugees? Especially those from Syria.

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"Things are heating up along the Greek border.

Turkish military are trying to rip away fences to allow for the migrants to push through.

Turkey also know up to 4 million migrants crossing into europe will cause untold chaos. Only 4% are said to be Syrian. The choice for Merkel and the EU is this..

Do they side with the Greeks and assist them or do they do nothing and let everyone in, after all they wont be staying where they come through but will be heading for northern Europe.

I stand with the Greeks and support them to do whatever it takes to protect their borders

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"Things are heating up along the Greek border.

Turkish military are trying to rip away fences to allow for the migrants to push through.

Turkey also know up to 4 million migrants crossing into europe will cause untold chaos. Only 4% are said to be Syrian. The choice for Merkel and the EU is this..

Do they side with the Greeks and assist them or do they do nothing and let everyone in, after all they wont be staying where they come through but will be heading for northern Europe.

I stand with the Greeks and support them to do whatever it takes to protect their borders

What's the solution for the refugees? Especially those from Syria."

im pretty sure most greeks and queit a few across europe aint intrested in what happens to the refugees all they care about is that there countrys dont take any more in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Things are heating up along the Greek border.

Turkish military are trying to rip away fences to allow for the migrants to push through.

Turkey also know up to 4 million migrants crossing into europe will cause untold chaos. Only 4% are said to be Syrian. The choice for Merkel and the EU is this..

Do they side with the Greeks and assist them or do they do nothing and let everyone in, after all they wont be staying where they come through but will be heading for northern Europe.

I stand with the Greeks and support them to do whatever it takes to protect their borders

What's the solution for the refugees? Especially those from Syria.

im pretty sure most greeks and queit a few across europe aint intrested in what happens to the refugees all they care about is that there countrys dont take any more in"

Indeed, I agree. There are a lot of horrific people around.

But these human beings need somewhere to go.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Things are heating up along the Greek border.

Turkish military are trying to rip away fences to allow for the migrants to push through.

Turkey also know up to 4 million migrants crossing into europe will cause untold chaos. Only 4% are said to be Syrian. The choice for Merkel and the EU is this..

Do they side with the Greeks and assist them or do they do nothing and let everyone in, after all they wont be staying where they come through but will be heading for northern Europe.

I stand with the Greeks and support them to do whatever it takes to protect their borders

What's the solution for the refugees? Especially those from Syria."

Send those 4% to the nearest safest country until it is safe to go home maybe?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Turkey using humans as pawns.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"Things are heating up along the Greek border.

Turkish military are trying to rip away fences to allow for the migrants to push through.

Turkey also know up to 4 million migrants crossing into europe will cause untold chaos. Only 4% are said to be Syrian. The choice for Merkel and the EU is this..

Do they side with the Greeks and assist them or do they do nothing and let everyone in, after all they wont be staying where they come through but will be heading for northern Europe.

I stand with the Greeks and support them to do whatever it takes to protect their borders

What's the solution for the refugees? Especially those from Syria.

im pretty sure most greeks and queit a few across europe aint intrested in what happens to the refugees all they care about is that there countrys dont take any more in

Indeed, I agree. There are a lot of horrific people around.

But these human beings need somewhere to go."

they may need somewhere to go but europe dosent want them.look at germany merkel just about clinging on afd on the rise what do you think will happen if another half million flood in to europe.i really dont think even the liberal partys are to keen on leting more in could meen they start getting voted out

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"Things are heating up along the Greek border.

Turkish military are trying to rip away fences to allow for the migrants to push through.

Turkey also know up to 4 million migrants crossing into europe will cause untold chaos. Only 4% are said to be Syrian. The choice for Merkel and the EU is this..

Do they side with the Greeks and assist them or do they do nothing and let everyone in, after all they wont be staying where they come through but will be heading for northern Europe.

I stand with the Greeks and support them to do whatever it takes to protect their borders

What's the solution for the refugees? Especially those from Syria.

im pretty sure most greeks and queit a few across europe aint intrested in what happens to the refugees all they care about is that there countrys dont take any more in

Indeed, I agree. There are a lot of horrific people around.

But these human beings need somewhere to go."

Plenty of space in northern Italy - empty schools etc

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I agree with doing whatever it takes to ensure that refugees are appropriately cared for and located, including via international diplomatic means.

It's usually better to respond in a mature, peaceful way, if provoked by a neighbouring state. All parties should be negotiating now and a cease of any military provocation is right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Things are heating up along the Greek border.

Turkish military are trying to rip away fences to allow for the migrants to push through.

Turkey also know up to 4 million migrants crossing into europe will cause untold chaos. Only 4% are said to be Syrian. The choice for Merkel and the EU is this..

Do they side with the Greeks and assist them or do they do nothing and let everyone in, after all they wont be staying where they come through but will be heading for northern Europe.

I stand with the Greeks and support them to do whatever it takes to protect their borders

Greece can't afford all these refugees and has every right to protect its borders and the rest of Europe should support them.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

Genuine refugees should be allowed in until it's safe for them to return but the rest must go back to where they came from,a number were let in before do more come, if we let them in more will come until there are none left, at least being an island it will be harder for them to come here and being out of the EU we wont have to take our share.

Before anyone says I'm a racist and all over 50 white males are too then have a look at the French papers, I have read several over the last couple of weeks and watched their news, they are far more strident in their views than any uk news outlet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shoot the fookers end of story

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Shoot the fookers end of story"

Bit harsh. Just because people don't like immigrants. Doesn't mean we should shoot them.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"Shoot the fookers end of story

Bit harsh. Just because people don't like immigrants. Doesn't mean we should shoot them. "

Think it might have been tongue in cheek

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Shoot the fookers end of story

Bit harsh. Just because people don't like immigrants. Doesn't mean we should shoot them.

Think it might have been tongue in cheek"

I think you missed my joke.

Not saying it was funny. But it was a joke.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Shoot the fookers end of story

Bit harsh. Just because people don't like immigrants. Doesn't mean we should shoot them.

Think it might have been tongue in cheek"

Maybe but effective all the same

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"Shoot the fookers end of story

Bit harsh. Just because people don't like immigrants. Doesn't mean we should shoot them.

Think it might have been tongue in cheek

I think you missed my joke.

Not saying it was funny. But it was a joke."

Strange I thought jokes were meant to be funny

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Shoot the fookers end of story

Bit harsh. Just because people don't like immigrants. Doesn't mean we should shoot them.

Think it might have been tongue in cheek

I think you missed my joke.

Not saying it was funny. But it was a joke.

Strange I thought jokes were meant to be funny"
joke's are funny just you've lost your sense of humor

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

We should have killed Assad a long time ago now it is to late it is a human tradgedy.The situation in Europe with corona makes it all worse,there is no way the Greeks will let them in and possibly Greece and Turkey may go to war as they have done many times.Sometimes life overtakes us and we can do nothing.

Sorry to be so negative but who does have an answer?

Eu countries and the EU have there own problems with the virus and the first job of all goverments is to protect there own people as best they can.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They need Trump with his wall

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I support what the greeks does, you have to do whatever it takes to defend your border and country, hungary could help them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Things are heating up along the Greek border.

Turkish military are trying to rip away fences to allow for the migrants to push through.

Turkey also know up to 4 million migrants crossing into europe will cause untold chaos. Only 4% are said to be Syrian. The choice for Merkel and the EU is this..

Do they side with the Greeks and assist them or do they do nothing and let everyone in, after all they wont be staying where they come through but will be heading for northern Europe.

I stand with the Greeks and support them to do whatever it takes to protect their borders

What's the solution for the refugees? Especially those from Syria.

Send those 4% to the nearest safest country until it is safe to go home maybe?"
Yes they should really be going to the nearest countries. I wonder why they dont do that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They need Trump with his wall

Turkey already has one, on the otherside, paid for by the EU.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I support what the greeks does, you have to do whatever it takes to defend your border and country, hungary could help them

Viktor orban is awesome. Wish we had someone similar in the UK

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I support what the greeks does, you have to do whatever it takes to defend your border and country, hungary could help them

Viktor orban is awesome. Wish we had someone similar in the UK "
Yes I like him too, eu should have someone like him as well as a leader

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can't Sweden take them all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can't Sweden take them all

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No we are already full as we took most of them in 2015, there are lots of space in russia tho.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The EU won't help the Greeks, I'm afraid Greece is on its own.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The EU won't help the Greeks, I'm afraid Greece is on its own.

The EU won't help the refugees, I'm afraid the refugees are on their own.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"The EU won't help the Greeks, I'm afraid Greece is on its own.

Poland offered to help out and send border guards I believe.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

perhaps the eu shouldnt have been so quick to help last time.they now know keep massing on the border until there is a crisis and they will open the doors except this time europe has a crisis of its own and there first job is to look after there own before they look after anyone else.there a virus going around that hard to control amoungst our own without lettin a load of unknown people in aswell.anyway i thought turkey was getting billions to keep em.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Shoot the fookers end of story

Bit harsh. Just because people don't like immigrants. Doesn't mean we should shoot them.

Think it might have been tongue in cheek

I think you missed my joke.

Not saying it was funny. But it was a joke.

Strange I thought jokes were meant to be funny"

I laughed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Shoot the fookers end of story

Bit harsh. Just because people don't like immigrants. Doesn't mean we should shoot them.

Think it might have been tongue in cheek

I think you missed my joke.

Not saying it was funny. But it was a joke.

Strange I thought jokes were meant to be funny"

Good grief. I was being self depricating.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Firstly only a very small percentage are actually from Syria, someone said 4%. I don't know if that is the exact figure but it seems about right.

Secondly the vast majority are young single males. Although western journalists run around playing lets find the crying baby, anyone who looks at the photo's and footage can see it.

Lastly, the current problem is of Erdogans own making. Assad may not be the nicest guy in the world but he will re-take Idlib. He has Russian support and the Turks are just prolonging the agony (and fuelling the refugee crisis) by attacking him.

Have we learned nothing from Iraq and Libya?

Of course Saddam and Gaddafi were a couple of nasty bastards. But is either country any better off today than before we started interfering?

Under Assad Syria will not be a nice country, but at least it will be stable. Take him out and it will be back to IS and refugee chaos within weeks.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Where are the refugees getting the tear gas from? And why is Austria helping Greece defend it's border?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where are the refugees getting the tear gas from? And why is Austria helping Greece defend it's border? "

If you can substantiate those claims:

A.) Possibly the Turkish Military

B.) Because if Greece's boarder doesn't hold the EU and Europe as a whole gets migrant crisis 2.0.

Personally this should be going to NATO, there's a case for this to be seen as an assult on one NATO member against another.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Firstly only a very small percentage are actually from Syria, someone said 4%. I don't know if that is the exact figure but it seems about right.

Secondly the vast majority are young single males. Although western journalists run around playing lets find the crying baby, anyone who looks at the photo's and footage can see it.

Have we learned nothing from Iraq and Libya?

Of course Saddam and Gaddafi were a couple of nasty bastards. But is either country any better off today than before we started interfering?

Under Assad Syria will not be a nice country, but at least it will be stable. Take him out and it will be back to IS and refugee chaos within weeks. "

Second paragraph.

I've not seen any of this.

The narrative of this is that Turkey is using human beings as fodder to apply pressure on the EU. That's what I've seen.

Whatever you think of the migrants, Turkey is the aggressor here, so rather than replaying your 2015 - 2016 script, you should look at this as geopolitical chess where sadly individuals are the pawns.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"Firstly only a very small percentage are actually from Syria, someone said 4%. I don't know if that is the exact figure but it seems about right.

Secondly the vast majority are young single males. Although western journalists run around playing lets find the crying baby, anyone who looks at the photo's and footage can see it.

Have we learned nothing from Iraq and Libya?

Of course Saddam and Gaddafi were a couple of nasty bastards. But is either country any better off today than before we started interfering?

Under Assad Syria will not be a nice country, but at least it will be stable. Take him out and it will be back to IS and refugee chaos within weeks.

Second paragraph.

I've not seen any of this.

The narrative of this is that Turkey is using human beings as fodder to apply pressure on the EU. That's what I've seen.

I fully agree that Turkey is the aggressor not only by pushing the refugees toward Greece but by attacking Assad as well.

However anyone who cannot see that the vast majority are young single men really isn't looking hard enough.

Take your eyes away from the crying baby in the foreground and look behind at the mass of migrants in the background and it is as plain as the nose on your face.

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By *unoMan
over a year ago

Turkey / Antalya (Side)

"Firstly only a very small percentage are actually from Syria, someone said 4%. I don't know if that is the exact figure but it seems about right.

Secondly the vast majority are young single males. Although western journalists run around playing lets find the crying baby, anyone who looks at the photo's and footage can see it.

Have we learned nothing from Iraq and Libya?

Of course Saddam and Gaddafi were a couple of nasty bastards. But is either country any better off today than before we started interfering?

Under Assad Syria will not be a nice country, but at least it will be stable. Take him out and it will be back to IS and refugee chaos within weeks.

Second paragraph.

I've not seen any of this.

The narrative of this is that Turkey is using human beings as fodder to apply pressure on the EU. That's what I've seen.

I fully agree that Turkey is the aggressor not only by pushing the refugees toward Greece but by attacking Assad as well.

However anyone who cannot see that the vast majority are young single men really isn't looking hard enough.

Take your eyes away from the crying baby in the foreground and look behind at the mass of migrants in the background and it is as plain as the nose on your face."

I hate Erdogan, but I don't like people who are prejudiced. Changing prejudices is harder than breaking atoms. Everyone is a political expert lol

https://twitter.com/KatiPiri/status/1234478861385109506

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Things are heating up along the Greek border.

Turkish military are trying to rip away fences to allow for the migrants to push through.

Turkey also know up to 4 million migrants crossing into europe will cause untold chaos. Only 4% are said to be Syrian. The choice for Merkel and the EU is this..

Do they side with the Greeks and assist them or do they do nothing and let everyone in, after all they wont be staying where they come through but will be heading for northern Europe.

I stand with the Greeks and support them to do whatever it takes to protect their borders

Nah there will must be loads of signs

UK this way ??

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

anyone seen anything on the news latley?are greece still holding the border? are more turning up?cant be good idea to even think about letting anyone cross at the momment if things are gona get as bad as some think with a virus on the loose

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

I saw somewhere, that the EU were proposing to pay refugees 2000eu to go home.

Obviously, recent events have overtaken things.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"I saw somewhere, that the EU were proposing to pay refugees 2000eu to go home.

Obviously, recent events have overtaken things. "
That was on the islands Lesbos etc and only for people who had been there more than 3 months but as you say i think events have overtaken that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Firstly only a very small percentage are actually from Syria, someone said 4%. I don't know if that is the exact figure but it seems about right.

Secondly the vast majority are young single males. Although western journalists run around playing lets find the crying baby, anyone who looks at the photo's and footage can see it.

Have we learned nothing from Iraq and Libya?

Of course Saddam and Gaddafi were a couple of nasty bastards. But is either country any better off today than before we started interfering?

Under Assad Syria will not be a nice country, but at least it will be stable. Take him out and it will be back to IS and refugee chaos within weeks.

Second paragraph.

I've not seen any of this.

The narrative of this is that Turkey is using human beings as fodder to apply pressure on the EU. That's what I've seen.

I fully agree that Turkey is the aggressor not only by pushing the refugees toward Greece but by attacking Assad as well.

However anyone who cannot see that the vast majority are young single men really isn't looking hard enough.

Take your eyes away from the crying baby in the foreground and look behind at the mass of migrants in the background and it is as plain as the nose on your face."

Jesus.

I'm well aware of this. But what do you actually want to do about it

Tell them to walk back to the troops commanded by a borderline autocrat?

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