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By *heBirminghamWeekend OP Man
over a year ago

here

Under the Tories in the last 10 years the poorer have become richer and the rich have become poorer.

Those in the top 20% earning bracket are 5% worse off now .

Those in all the other earning brackets are 5% better off now.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

watch with interest the replies to this one.

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By *heBirminghamWeekend OP Man
over a year ago

here

"watch with interest the replies to this one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quite the claim. Where can we see these facts?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do wonder why if the poor are so much better off they need to resort to food banks so much more than they used to. I also wonder why so many more people are sleeping rough than previously. Strange, given this apparent boon for the poor.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"I do wonder why if the poor are so much better off they need to resort to food banks so much more than they used to. I also wonder why so many more people are sleeping rough than previously. Strange, given this apparent boon for the poor.

Perhaps some think getting food from a food bank is better than having to.buy it, councils have a duty to house people but some prefer to sleep rough for various reasons. Note I said SOME

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By *heBirminghamWeekend OP Man
over a year ago

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"Quite the claim. Where can we see these facts?"

Office for National Statistics

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/personalandhouseholdfinances/incomeandwealth/bulletins/householddisposableincomeandinequality/financialyearending2019

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

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I do wonder why the uk has so many obese people yet there are so many food banks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Perhaps some think getting food from a food bank is better than having to.buy it, councils have a duty to house people but some prefer to sleep rough for various reasons. Note I said SOME "

Yeah, I really don't think anybody likes having to use food banks. Despite whatever rants you may have read in right wing posts online or rags.

I doubt even more that many people choose to sleep rough.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Quite the claim. Where can we see these facts?

Office for National Statistics

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/personalandhouseholdfinances/incomeandwealth/bulletins/householddisposableincomeandinequality/financialyearending2019"

Thanks for providing a link. It's nice when people provide sources for a change. It'll take some time to properly read all that, though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From a skim of your link:

"Average income of the poorest fifth of people fell by 4.3% per year on average between FYE 2017 and FYE 2019"

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

If the poor worked harder they may go into the rich bracket....or have less chavies

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By *heBirminghamWeekend OP Man
over a year ago

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"From a skim of your link:

"Average income of the poorest fifth of people fell by 4.3% per year on average between FYE 2017 and FYE 2019""

Fig.3 shows the top 20% earning less now than they did 10years ago and the other 4 brackets earning more now than they did 10years ago

Last 10 years of Tory rule has made the poor richer and the rich poorer.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Perhaps some think getting food from a food bank is better than having to.buy it, councils have a duty to house people but some prefer to sleep rough for various reasons. Note I said SOME

Yeah, I really don't think anybody likes having to use food banks. Despite whatever rants you may have read in right wing posts online or rags.

I doubt even more that many people choose to sleep rough.

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Well i always thought malnutrition went up with poverty not obesity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Under the Tories in the last 10 years the poorer have become richer and the rich have become poorer.

Those in the top 20% earning bracket are 5% worse off now .

Those in all the other earning brackets are 5% better off now.

Confused. So you don't like the Tories anymore if you don't think there fucking poor people over?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Perhaps some think getting food from a food bank is better than having to.buy it, councils have a duty to house people but some prefer to sleep rough for various reasons. Note I said SOME

Yeah, I really don't think anybody likes having to use food banks. Despite whatever rants you may have read in right wing posts online or rags.

I doubt even more that many people choose to sleep rough.

Well i always thought malnutrition went up with poverty not obesity."

You do know that its cheap highly processed food thats full of sugars that contribute to the obesity dont you

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Not read it but a small increase from a small amount isn't potentially enough to keep them bouyant, when they may already be spending a very large proportion of their income on the bare essentials for life, such as on rent, basic food, utilities, clothing and commuting. There won't typically be a contingency reserve, to allow recovery from unexpected crises etc

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By *alking HeadMan
over a year ago

Bolton

"Under the Tories in the last 10 years the poorer have become richer and the rich have become poorer.

Those in the top 20% earning bracket are 5% worse off now .

Those in all the other earning brackets are 5% better off now.

You do know 5% of fuck all is even less than fuck all?

You do know that 5% of the richest people's money, won't be noticed by them?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"From a skim of your link:

"Average income of the poorest fifth of people fell by 4.3% per year on average between FYE 2017 and FYE 2019"

Fig.3 shows the top 20% earning less now than they did 10years ago and the other 4 brackets earning more now than they did 10years ago

Last 10 years of Tory rule has made the poor richer and the rich poorer.

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It is a set of figures that do not take into account the facts of more cars on the road,more overseas travel etc.I would say there is poverty which is wrong in many cases but many druggies,alcoholics and people with self caused debt out there.It is complicated.

Also this gap happened under labour it is a world wide fact caused by globalisation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Elsewhere, a link says the poorest 20% of Britons are no better off than in 2004.

Stats are fun, aren't they?

I suspect anything can be proved with selective stats.

I repeat: if the poor are so much better off, why has food bank use gone up so much? why are there so many more people sleeping rough?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

It is down to the bad implementation of benefits it is discusting but as a percentage of people it is small

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

Good news that the poor are getting richer but take no pleasure the the rich appear to be getting poorer ,it would be better if they too increased their income therefore paying more tax towards better services , but the increase income of the poor should percentage wise far outstrip that of the rich if we are to see a fairer system ,,,but ,,,instead of talking of percentage increase/decrease does the report show how much the bottom 5% are surviving on each week and how much the top 5% are struggling by on over the same seven day prriod ?

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By *c223Man
over a year ago

MANCHESTER

Sure, wages have increased, but it's still vast below what it should be, it'd be great if wage stagnation didn't happen, working 60 hours a week on a wage that has barely increased in six years isn't exactly encouraging and I'm apart of an industry that requires a licence renewal every few years.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Change jobs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Change jobs "

Good contribution.

Meanwhile in the real world....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Change jobs "

Are you a billionaire?

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Everyone has a choice...if you don't like the job you are doing show some balls and leave ...find another job, retrain ,or start your own business...don't just sit on your arse and moan ...better yourself ....you can do it

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

"Change jobs

Are you a billionaire?

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no but trying

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Under the Tories in the last 10 years the poorer have become richer and the rich have become poorer.

Those in the top 20% earning bracket are 5% worse off now .

Those in all the other earning brackets are 5% better off now.

Are you saying that ‘everyone’ not in the top 20% are better off and ‘everyone’ in the top 20% are worse off?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Change jobs

Are you a billionaire?

no but trying"

Change jobs then, you are no where near

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Under the Tories in the last 10 years the poorer have become richer and the rich have become poorer.

Those in the top 20% earning bracket are 5% worse off now .

Those in all the other earning brackets are 5% better off now.

Everybody's income fell from 2008 to 2013. Global recession. Remember that? Everybody's income grew from 2013.

A large part of the increase in income of the poorest comes from increases in the income tax threshold that were introduced by the LibDems under protest from the Tories. Until they realised it was popular. This becomes more apparent once wages start to increase from 2013.

All income growth has been stagnant for the last two years despite, apparently, there being full employment.

The poorest have become substantially poorer. Much more so than the richest.

That's what explains the rise in food bank use. Many of those "in work" are barely earning whilst their benefits have also been cut.

The richest have only become marginally poorer in the last two years. They were growing wealthier since 2013. The tax burden has barely increased so they must be earning less.

You are completely misreporting the data.

Which paper did you see the article in? You didn't look at the report did you?

"Growth in median income stalled between FYE 2017 and FYE 2019 growing on average by 0.4% per year, compared with 3.0% per year between FYE 2013 and FYE 2017.

Median income for the poorest fifth of people fell by 4.3% per year over the two years up to FYE 2019, following average annual growth of 3.4% over the four years leading up to FYE 2017.

Median income of the richest fifth also fell between FYE 2017 and FYE 2019 (0.4% per year), meaning that despite average annual growth of 1.7% per year between FYE 2013 and FYE 2017, average income remains lower than levels reached prior to the economic downturn in FYE 2008.

Median income for people living in retired households and non-retired households over the two years leading up to FYE 2019 increased by 0.5% and 0.3% per year respectively; this compares with the period between FYE 2013 and FYE 2017, where average annual growth for these groups was 3.1% and 2.7% respectively."

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

What's funny here is that it definitely hasn't been the Tories intention to decrease income for the richest quartile. So really this is just showing that they're incompetent

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What's funny here is that it definitely hasn't been the Tories intention to decrease income for the richest quartile. So really this is just showing that they're incompetent

The figures quoted by the OP are vague and misleading . I can assure you that the top 1% of the richest people in the uk have increased their wealth in the last 10 years.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

Yeah, I take this with a grain of salt. Just think it's funny seeing a Tory supporter presenting this as some kind of evidence they're doing a good job.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Under the Tories in the last 10 years the poorer have become richer and the rich have become poorer.

Those in the top 20% earning bracket are 5% worse off now .

Those in all the other earning brackets are 5% better off now.

You do know 5% of fuck all is even less than fuck all?

You do know that 5% of the richest people's money, won't be noticed by them?"

I think 5% of the richest people's money will definitely be noticed by them. You don't get rich by not worrying about a 5% drop in anything, especially your own income or wealth.

But isn't it all a bit irrelevant. The question is surly not whether the rich or poor are richer or poorer than they where before but whether the poor are too poor (I think so) or the rich are too rich (I'm not sure you can be).

The other two big things I get from this is that, across all groups, we're hardly 5% better off now than we were in 2008. That's not great for any one. The other is that the trend for the poor is currently going down; that's not good news either.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"What's funny here is that it definitely hasn't been the Tories intention to decrease income for the richest quartile. So really this is just showing that they're incompetent

The figures quoted by the OP are vague and misleading . I can assure you that the top 1% of the richest people in the uk have increased their wealth in the last 10 years. "

That's not my experience.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Everyone has a choice...if you don't like the job you are doing show some balls and leave ...find another job, retrain ,or start your own business...don't just sit on your arse and moan ...better yourself ....you can do it"

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

I'm not sure everyone does have a choice and even of those that do many just don't see a real choice.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

There be the problem ...they don't see it ..

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"Under the Tories in the last 10 years the poorer have become richer and the rich have become poorer.

Those in the top 20% earning bracket are 5% worse off now .

Those in all the other earning brackets are 5% better off now.

Even if this is correct - and it seems an oversimplification (why wouldn't it be?) - you can bet it was unintentional.

As for the more intentional, "levelling up" - I guess we'll see. They have another five years - at least - to prove themselves.

I have my doubts that they're really committed to evening out the massive disparity in wealth they helped New Labour to create and maintain.

I'd be happy - and amazed - to be proven wrong.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

I'm not sure everyone does have a choice and even of those that do many just don't see a real choice.

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I think and speaking from personal experience is that we get scared to take risks in a very uncertain world.It is easy to say do this do that but I know it is a hard decision to make

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Yes I agree ...but back yourself and go forward ....it does take balls ....

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