FabSwingers.com forum: Corona Apocalypse

By *ild_oats OP Man
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

I’m not one for conspiracy fantasies (Won’t use the word theory as that implies verifiable evidence)

But the advice being given out health authorities and government and the fact the health secretary has said that no options are off the table when it comes to dealing with the Coronavirus outbreak.

It seems there maybe more to this than being reported.... Zombie apocalypse???

I don’t remember the SARS or Bird flu outbreaks isolating Cruise ships, hotels, cities etc..... But then I am old.....

Though I’m sure some Brexiteers already believe it to be a dastardly EU plot to harmonise viruses....

Discuss......

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

#agenda21 i expect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m not one for conspiracy fantasies (Won’t use the word theory as that implies verifiable evidence)

But the advice being given out health authorities and government and the fact the health secretary has said that no options are off the table when it comes to dealing with the Coronavirus outbreak.

It seems there maybe more to this than being reported.... Zombie apocalypse???

I don’t remember the SARS or Bird flu outbreaks isolating Cruise ships, hotels, cities etc..... But then I am old.....

Though I’m sure some Brexiteers already believe it to be a dastardly EU plot to harmonise viruses....

Discuss......"

I think we've become so sensationalist about everything that we now don't know how to stop.

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

It was first reported in Wuhan in December 2019. As the Chinese covered it up in the early days it is pretty obvious it has been around for longer. It is now March 2020. 23 cases in the UK. More people have died by champagne corks shot at them ffs. It’s just a slightly more contagious strain of flu. Flu.That mainly affects elderly people with pre existing conditions that has caused a run on masks, hand sanitizers , wipes, tissues, toilet rolls and Big Soup

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

Update - 35 cases. Bugger. Must get some more Big Soup - opps. Guilty.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

were all doooomed.doors and windows are borded up and sat here with tinned goods and a crossbow for whoever trys to infect me

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

More people got admitted to Belfast A &E hospitals for alcohol related injuries last night than for corona for the whole of the UK in 3 months. Ban alcohol I say

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By *ild_oats OP Man
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

I’m fairly certain that sections of the media will implicate Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abbot and the EU as the prime cause.

After all they get the blame for most things might as well add something else.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not one for conspiracies either but north Korea did say there would be a present

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"I’m fairly certain that sections of the media will implicate Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abbot and the EU as the prime cause.

After all they get the blame for most things might as well add something else.......

Now you come to mention it .........

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"I’m fairly certain that sections of the media will implicate Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abbot and the EU as the prime cause.

After all they get the blame for most things might as well add something else.......

I assumed man made climate change would be to blame.

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

The staff of the Louvre have decided what’s what . So they’ve refused to work so the museum is now closed

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Total panic ..let's spoil everything for everybody...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Total panic ..let's spoil everything for everybody..."

What has the coronavirus spoilt for you ?

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Bollocks all because yet again I could not give a fuck ...but hate the panic of idiots

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By *talianduoCouple
over a year ago

Swansea

"I’m not one for conspiracy fantasies (Won’t use the word theory as that implies verifiable evidence)

But the advice being given out health authorities and government and the fact the health secretary has said that no options are off the table when it comes to dealing with the Coronavirus outbreak.

Totally agree, the latest media gone mad story.

It seems there maybe more to this than being reported.... Zombie apocalypse???

I don’t remember the SARS or Bird flu outbreaks isolating Cruise ships, hotels, cities etc..... But then I am old.....

Though I’m sure some Brexiteers already believe it to be a dastardly EU plot to harmonise viruses....

Discuss......

I think we've become so sensationalist about everything that we now don't know how to stop. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bollocks all because yet again I could not give a fuck ...but hate the panic of idiots"

Idiots? What would you do if you or someone you know caught the virus ? Just shout bollocks and carry on your normal life?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Big Soup was the bane of my life but, after some serious psychotherapy, I'm glad to be able to say...... YES! I have been 'on the wagon' now for almost five years.

Thank you.

Eva. X

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

For most people this Coronva virus will be less serious than a mild dose of the flu. However it is not flu and differs from it in a number of ways and this is why it is being treated quite differently.

The first way it is different from flu is that it's about two to three times more contagious than flu. The second way it's different from flu is that people with this virus can become contagious before they become symptomatic; in fact many people who get this virus may become contagious and never become symptomatic. The third way it's different from flu is that no one has any natural immunity to it as it's never been here before.

What we are not talking about here is a world apocalypse or Omega Man scenarios but we are talking about an infection that could, in a reasonable worse case scenario, potentially kill 500,000 people in the UK. The current effort is designed to slow the spread of the virus down. It can't and won't be stopped but, if it can be slowed down, then there is more chance of a vacination being developed before the virus hits its peak contagion and that could potentially save hundreds of vulnerable people from possible death.

The advice is to take precautions but don't panic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Big Soup was the bane of my life but, after some serious psychotherapy, I'm glad to be able to say...... YES! I have been 'on the wagon' now for almost five years.

Thank you.

Eva. X"

Irrelevant , but I guess you knew that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Research from China finds it is 1000 times more infective than SRS and has an HIV-like mutation that helps it bind extremely effectively to human cells.

It may prove extremely difficult to make a vaccine for this.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Research from China finds it is 1000 times more infective than SRS and has an HIV-like mutation that helps it bind extremely effectively to human cells.

It may prove extremely difficult to make a vaccine for this. "

Then let's hope and pray that it doesn't mutate into something far more dangerous. That would be the real nightmare scenario.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That, I suspect, may be the reason for worldwide containment.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"Total panic ..let's spoil everything for everybody...

What has the coronavirus spoilt for you ? "
the roads

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

I am revising my opinion as to how major a death rate this will have. It is virulent and pretty much impossible to detect. The 2% mortality rate will still lead to millions of deaths as it will be global.

No doubt it is undetected in India and Africa right now where containment will be close to impossible.

All that you can do is wash your hands regularly and avoid big crowds.

Makes rush hour on the trains rather difficult though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Big Soup was the bane of my life but, after some serious psychotherapy, I'm glad to be able to say...... YES! I have been 'on the wagon' now for almost five years.

Thank you.

Eva. X

Irrelevant , but I guess you knew that

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(Through clenched teeth)....., of-course-I-did......!!

I was merely being 'irreverent', as per.

NEXT!

Eva X

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"I’m fairly certain that sections of the media will implicate Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abbot and the EU as the prime cause.

After all they get the blame for most things might as well add something else.......

Yeah! Why not?

The lefties have already tried to blame Trump.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"For most people this Coronva virus will be less serious than a mild dose of the flu. However it is not flu and differs from it in a number of ways and this is why it is being treated quite differently.

The advice is to take precautions but don't panic.

Very good post.

With apologies to F D Roosevelt, I think the only thing to panic about is panic itself.

Over the weekend here in Germany you would have thought that WW 3 had just broken out.

In our local supermarkets, rice, pasta, sugar, flour, toilet rolls, and tinned anything was virtually unobtainable by Saturday afternoon.

Parking was nigh on impossible, the queue's at the tills were horrendous, and some could barely push the trolleys because they were so full.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

The advice is to take precautions but don't panic.

Very good post.

With apologies to F D Roosevelt, I think the only thing to panic about is panic itself.

Over the weekend here in Germany you would have thought that WW 3 had just broken out.

In our local supermarkets, rice, pasta, sugar, flour, toilet rolls, and tinned anything was virtually unobtainable by Saturday afternoon.

Parking was nigh on impossible, the queue's at the tills were horrendous, and some could barely push the trolleys because they were so full.

Ditto on Cracken post..

The panic will spread probably much faster than the actual virus, irony possibly being that those thronging together could be opening themselves up to copping it..

Pretty glad I kept my noddy kit and respirator now, even if I can't remember if I bagged any spare canisters..

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"I’m fairly certain that sections of the media will implicate Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abbot and the EU as the prime cause.

After all they get the blame for most things might as well add something else.......

Yeah! Why not?

The lefties have already tried to blame Trump.

Nobody has blamed Trump.

He has cut research spending though.

However, as he thinks it's fake news anyway and a plot against him what's the problem?

The border with Mexico will be closed too so job done, right?

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"I’m not one for conspiracy fantasies (Won’t use the word theory as that implies verifiable evidence)

But the advice being given out health authorities and government and the fact the health secretary has said that no options are off the table when it comes to dealing with the Coronavirus outbreak.

It seems there maybe more to this than being reported.... Zombie apocalypse???

I don’t remember the SARS or Bird flu outbreaks isolating Cruise ships, hotels, cities etc..... But then I am old.....

Though I’m sure some Brexiteers already believe it to be a dastardly EU plot to harmonise viruses....

Discuss......"
wow you started a thread about the carona virus just to have a dig at brexiteers lol get a fcking life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m not one for conspiracy fantasies (Won’t use the word theory as that implies verifiable evidence)

But the advice being given out health authorities and government and the fact the health secretary has said that no options are off the table when it comes to dealing with the Coronavirus outbreak.

It seems there maybe more to this than being reported.... Zombie apocalypse???

I don’t remember the SARS or Bird flu outbreaks isolating Cruise ships, hotels, cities etc..... But then I am old.....

Though I’m sure some Brexiteers already believe it to be a dastardly EU plot to harmonise viruses....

Discuss...... wow you started a thread about the carona virus just to have a dig at brexiteers lol get a fcking life"

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I know, ain't it just sad..??!

They ought to mellow out with a nice hot bowl of Big Soup, in my opinion..!

Eva X

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

It's a cold/flu ...yes that's all folks ...not a nuclear war

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"It's a cold/flu ...yes that's all folks ...not a nuclear war"

Spanish flu was "just" flu.

What do you know about that? Anything?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"It's a cold/flu ...yes that's all folks ...not a nuclear war"

It's a bit more than cold/flu for the reasons I gave in my previous post. On an individual bases, unless you're old or have an underlying condition, it's not something people should overly worry about but, if people don't take reasonable precautions, we could potentially face a situation where about 500,000 people die in the UK from this. But even those are not the real problem if this gets out of hand. The real problem and burden on the NHS is the potential 5,000,000 people who get seriously ill.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a cold/flu ...yes that's all folks ...not a nuclear war"

That is what they said in 1918! Spanish pandemic lasted until 1920, and in the 2 years 500 million people were infected or 27% of the world population! The amount of people who died is estimated at 40 -50 million, but hey it was only a cold!

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"It's a cold/flu ...yes that's all folks ...not a nuclear war

That is very true but medical treatment wasnt anywhere near it is today and general health is better, it appears it is the older you are the more likely it is to become life threatening.

There is little we can do unless we live like hermits till it passes, if I get it and die then that's tough I've had a good life although would like more, but if I felt my kids and especially grandkids were at risk then it would be much more concerning for me

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"I’m not one for conspiracy fantasies (Won’t use the word theory as that implies verifiable evidence)

But the advice being given out health authorities and government and the fact the health secretary has said that no options are off the table when it comes to dealing with the Coronavirus outbreak.

It seems there maybe more to this than being reported.... Zombie apocalypse???

I don’t remember the SARS or Bird flu outbreaks isolating Cruise ships, hotels, cities etc..... But then I am old.....

Though I’m sure some Brexiteers already believe it to be a dastardly EU plot to harmonise viruses....

Discuss......"
Your remark about Brexiteers is both ignorant abusive and insulting,you should aplogise.

I remember all these other flues thos will be old news in 3 or four months,sadly some will die but a lot more will die of ordinary flu,cancer,heart decease etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m not one for conspiracy fantasies (Won’t use the word theory as that implies verifiable evidence)

But the advice being given out health authorities and government and the fact the health secretary has said that no options are off the table when it comes to dealing with the Coronavirus outbreak.

It seems there maybe more to this than being reported.... Zombie apocalypse???

I don’t remember the SARS or Bird flu outbreaks isolating Cruise ships, hotels, cities etc..... But then I am old.....

Though I’m sure some Brexiteers already believe it to be a dastardly EU plot to harmonise viruses....

Discuss......Your remark about Brexiteers is both ignorant abusive and insulting,you should aplogise.

I remember all these other flues thos will be old news in 3 or four months,sadly some will die but a lot more will die of ordinary flu,cancer,heart decease etc"

Given the fact the Coronavirus seems to be 10 times more deadly than regular flu, how will more die from ordinary flu?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a cold/flu ...yes that's all folks ...not a nuclear war"

Why did Boris hold a cobra meeting today then??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a cold/flu ...yes that's all folks ...not a nuclear war

Why did Boris hold a cobra meeting today then?? "

Maybe there's a perfectly innocent explanation. Nothing to do with the Coronavirus. Perhaps he'd lost his pet snake.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

More like trying to look interested...what percentage of the population have it again? Total worldwide panic ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"More like trying to look interested...what percentage of the population have it again? Total worldwide panic ..."

0%. I read that figure on a beer mat.

Didn't you hear? There's apparently no reason anybody should worry at all. (Apart from those unlucky people who die from it.)

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I’m in trouble. The two respirators I ordered got bloody carded.

Got to go and queue up at the post office tomorrow. I’m doomed.

It’s been good people.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"It's a cold/flu ...yes that's all folks ...not a nuclear war

That is very true but medical treatment wasnt anywhere near it is today and general health is better, it appears it is the older you are the more likely it is to become life threatening.

There is no "treatment" for a virus other than a vaccine.

We are 6-12 months out from that apparently.

It is not age specifically that is the issue. It's underlying medical conditions.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

Just for a change, perhaps the experts should be listened to:

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Just for a change, perhaps the experts should be listened to:

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public"

Don't be so silly.

It's far better than half the population goes into a massive panic, buys up all the tined and tried food they can and lock themselves away until it all blows other or there's no one left to catch it from. While the other half assume it's all much ado about nothing, take no reasonable precautions and just "carry on", spreading it to the week and vulnerable.

It's the British way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are plenty of anti viral medications available, just none specifically designed for this strain at the moment. There are 4 main ones for flu strains so it is highly likely one of these can be modified. It will take a little time, but it's already being worked on.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Oh no we have a population of god knows 60 million plus and 25 people have the flu ...oh no ,one in Scotland and now one in Wales....quick shut the UK down ...close schools and big firms down...don't leave the house ..what bollocks again ...even big Boris sucked into it ...wash ya hands m8

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh no we have a population of god knows 60 million plus and 25 people have the flu ...oh no ,one in Scotland and now one in Wales....quick shut the UK down ...close schools and big firms down...don't leave the house ..what bollocks again ...even big Boris sucked into it ...wash ya hands m8"

Quite the medical expert, aren't you? I'm glad you're here to reassure us all.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Just for a change, perhaps the experts should be listened to:

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Don't be so silly.

It's the British way.

Human way

The whole world is in on this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just for a change, perhaps the experts should be listened to:

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Don't be so silly.

It's the British way.

Human way

The whole world is in on this

Fear not! JaneJohn are here to save the day with their expertise!

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

No the experts about everything are on here ...I'm here to fuel the fire take the piss ,and pull your plonkers ...that's the best way to keep the forum going ...love ya reactions and some anger ...love it ..some frustrations need relief....wink wink

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By *unkkMan
over a year ago

Kidderminster

More remainers have drowned in their own tears!

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By *untimes01993Man
over a year ago

witney

I suffer from wind and fart a lot.

Is this a pre existing medical condition? Or if I fart in the general direction of people who get close to me, will it blow the virus away, and save me?

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"It's a cold/flu ...yes that's all folks ...not a nuclear war

That is very true but medical treatment wasnt anywhere near it is today and general health is better, it appears it is the older you are the more likely it is to become life threatening.

There is no "treatment" for a virus other than a vaccine.

We are 6-12 months out from that apparently.

It is not age specifically that is the issue. It's underlying medical conditions."

But it's the complications that are killing people ie heart and lung problems which we have drugs to help with that we didnt for Spanish flu, also it is very much age related those under 16 have a tiny risk, so far and long may that continue

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By *alldarksurreyMan
over a year ago

surrey

It's a funny coincidence that back in 2018 the BBC ran a short documentary theorizing how quickly a pandemic would spread throughout the uk,they showed it starting in Haslemere surrey which funnily enough is the exact same place where the corona virus was recorded to have first passed on from person to person.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Never have so many freezers suffered in vain......!!

Eva X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are treatments for viral infections but vaccines are not one of them....

Vaccines give, hopefully, some immunity however since this corona virus is sharing factors with HIV, a vaccine is not going to be soon or protect all that well.

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By *ild_oats OP Man
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

"More remainers have drowned in their own tears!"

Obviously, Coronavirus was dreamed up by the EU, Jeremy Corbyn and Elvis to show those Brexiteers the folly of their ways....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The advice is to take precautions but don't panic.

Symptom's;

1; You catch what feels like a cold (sore throat, sniffles etc) 1 week, then it seems to clear up and your okay for a week

2; You then catch what feels like the flu (which knocks you for 6) then it seems to clear up and your okay for a week

3; You then catch Pneumonia and this strain of Pneumonia is what takes you out

By the time you catch symptom 3 you have already passed it on with 1 & 2.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Government Conservative minister says something vague or truly universally great is their plan. Standard for the clueless.

It's new, has no cure yet, and can be minimised as an overwhelming issue with soap and water hand washing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are treatments for viral infections but vaccines are not one of them....

Vaccines give, hopefully, some immunity however since this corona virus is sharing factors with HIV, a vaccine is not going to be soon or protect all that well."

Coronavirus is definitely NOT acting in the same way as HIV. It is part of the strain of virus' linked to flu. Current treatment includes neuraminidase inhibitors to help prevent the replication of the virus to reduce duration and symptomatic response. Vaccines are being worked on at the moment based on the same technology that is used to produce annual flu vaccinations as these are strain specific.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I didn’t say it works in the same way, I said it (may) share factors with HIV. This appears to be related to the way it infects.

There are treatments for viruses but vaccines are not one of them: they are prophylactics ie, aim to limit degree of illness or provide 100% protection at best.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I didn’t say it works in the same way, I said it (may) share factors with HIV. This appears to be related to the way it infects.

There are treatments for viruses but vaccines are not one of them: they are prophylactics ie, aim to limit degree of illness or provide 100% protection at best.

Linking this with HIV in any way simply serves to cause unnecessary concern and panic. I am also fully aware of what a vaccine does (given that I work with a company that makes them!), you prevent with them and treat with anti virals and retro virals. Vaccines are ultimately going to be the best way to deal with he infection as they will prevent it spreading. Once herd immunity is established, then the virus can be eliminated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The reference to viruses being prophylactic was not for you.

If you know how HIV works, you’ll know how hard it is to produce a vaccine that will stimulate immunity. If the Chinese researchers are right with their findings, herd immunity will not be obtainable. Reduction in severity of morbidity will be best expectation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The reference to viruses being prophylactic was not for you.

Coronavirus is not HIV. It does not work in the same way beyond being a virus nor does it result in the same effect within the body. Please stop linking the two.

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"I didn’t say it works in the same way, I said it (may) share factors with HIV. This appears to be related to the way it infects.

There are treatments for viruses but vaccines are not one of them: they are prophylactics ie, aim to limit degree of illness or provide 100% protection at best.

You are saying that a vaccine is not and will not be a treatment for coronavirus. ?Or flu etc ??

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"I’m fairly certain that sections of the media will implicate Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abbot and the EU as the prime cause.

After all they get the blame for most things might as well add something else.......

Wasn’t JC in China over Xmas ?

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over a year ago

"I’m fairly certain that sections of the media will implicate Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abbot and the EU as the prime cause.

After all they get the blame for most things might as well add something else.......

Wasn’t JC in China over Xmas ?"

Ahhh... yet again you mention Corbyn. Your obsession is growing even more. Your love and desperation for him must feel unbearable by now!

When you picture youself in bed with him, are you the top or the bottom?

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over a year ago

"I didn’t say it works in the same way, I said it (may) share factors with HIV. This appears to be related to the way it infects.

There are treatments for viruses but vaccines are not one of them: they are prophylactics ie, aim to limit degree of illness or provide 100% protection at best.

You are saying that a vaccine is not and will not be a treatment for coronavirus. ?Or flu etc ??"

No,a vaccine is not and never will be a treatment for ANY infection

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The reference to viruses being prophylactic was not for you.

Coronavirus is not HIV. It does not work in the same way beyond being a virus nor does it result in the same effect within the body. Please stop linking the two."

Ah, it appears you don’t know what vaccines actually do. And there are no proven antiviral drugs for this corona virus, including ritonivir.

I don’t see any posts here saying corona virus is the same as human immunodeficiency virus. That the trialling antivirals are HIV drugs proves my point- they are linked, it is thought they infect cells in similar ways.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"I didn’t say it works in the same way, I said it (may) share factors with HIV. This appears to be related to the way it infects.

There are treatments for viruses but vaccines are not one of them: they are prophylactics ie, aim to limit degree of illness or provide 100% protection at best.

You are saying that a vaccine is not and will not be a treatment for coronavirus. ?Or flu etc ??

No,a vaccine is not and never will be a treatment for ANY infection"

A vaccine is the only thing that will end this before everyone susceptible has died. It will prevent its continued growth in the population.

Anti-viral drugs have to be tailored to a virus just like a vaccine.

All that can really be done at the moment is symptomatic treatment and treatment of the underlying conditions which are exacerbated.

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over a year ago

Sadly, vaccines will only be available to the First World eventually and even them, people will still die from complications of its infection. The Third World won’t have that luxury and so it’s always going to be present.

Humans are not invincible. We rely on modern medicine to make us live forever. It just doesn’t.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Sat in hospital waiting room at the moment and it’s all very relaxed. The water cooler is awash with dirty cups and not seen a single sign yet.

Want to ask them to turn the TV to a news channel but worried I will create Corona panic so Ready Steady Cook it is.

We will get through this people.

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

No vaccine ever for coronavirus - ever. Who would have known. Why are they looking for one ; giving estimates of 18 months to develop one ?

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

Can I just ask why all of these medical experts are so crap at math?

Last weekend, 90’000 contracted the desease

3000 deaths. FACT as per these so called experts

3000 / 90000

= 0.0333 (3.33%)

Or as they say 1%

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The reference to viruses being prophylactic was not for you.

Coronavirus is not HIV. It does not work in the same way beyond being a virus nor does it result in the same effect within the body. Please stop linking the two.

Ah, it appears you don’t know what vaccines actually do. And there are no proven antiviral drugs for this corona virus, including ritonivir.

You linked HIV to coronavirus by stating that they "share factors" this is nonsense beyond the fact they are both virus'I have already said that they are developing a vaccine, not that one is being used to treat at the moment. I have explained that neuraminidase inhibitors are currently the best choice to slow it's replication in a body and to help minimise symptomatic responses. Stop trying to link it to HIV, this it daft at best and down right irresponsible at worst.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

In China it is dying out so it has a three month life span,just think this is all a bit OTT.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In China it is dying out so it has a three month life span,just think this is all a bit OTT."

I hope you're right. I really do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You linked HIV to coronavirus by stating that they "share factors" this is nonsense beyond the fact they are both virus'I have already said that they are developing a vaccine, not that one is being used to treat at the moment. I have explained that neuraminidase inhibitors are currently the best choice to slow it's replication in a body and to help minimise symptomatic responses. Stop trying to link it to HIV, this it daft at best and down right irresponsible at worst."

Hmm, I’d advise you to do some reading of scientific papers. You may not like the association but it is indeed a finding of research scientists in China, who have had the longest opportunity to study it.

To be pedantic, protease inhibitors, as used for HIV treatment, show the best chance of viral inhibition but there isn’t that much of it about. Neurominidase inhibitors are being used because they are more widely available and were useful with SARS and MERS, both caused by corona strains but to date have not been proven to be effective, as of a month ago.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Can I just ask why all of these medical experts are so crap at math?

Last weekend, 90’000 contracted the desease

3000 deaths. FACT as per these so called experts

3000 / 90000

= 0.0333 (3.33%)

Or as they say 1%"

Not really. The 90,000 figure is those known to be infected.

They know that this is a significant underestimate so they have a statistical model to approximate the actual infection level and subsequent mortality rate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Funny enough I do read quite a few scientific papers, given that I work in medical research and development. If you want to have a pissing competition about who's degree is better than the other, I'm more than happy to oblige. Personally, I'd rather get some common sense out there to the hundreds of thousands of people who are being unnecessarily worried by false information that is being liberally spread round the internet. Yes coronavirus shouldn't be treated with contempt but likewise it should not be blown out of proportion. It's transmission methods bear no resemblance to HIV, it is completely possible to make a full recovery as we understand it at this time. It does not cause suppression or reduction of the human immune system, only overwhelms it, the same as many diseases do. Take sensible precautions, avoid unnecessary public gatherings, wash your hands often. Read WHO suggestions and don't go buying a million rolls of bog roll.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

Happily experts do seem to be back in fashion which is a relief. Even our Prime Minister has finally come out of hiding and allowed the Chief Medical Officer and Chief Scientific Advisor to explain the complexity of the situation and not oversimplify it to a simple soundbite.

Chris Whitty was also on Today this morning and again doing a good job.

This is also worth a listen:

Decision Time - Corona Virus with Tony Robinson. Some more experts I'm afraid.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000gfcx

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

We just have to hope they are better this time, what is happening in China is interesting, IF the figures are correct of course

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely agree with most of that apart from not resulting in suppression of the immune system. The influenza virus will do that, among many others. Nobody said its transmission methods were similar to HIV !!!! so I guess I claim the better degree lol.

Pity the UK PM sought to say he’d shaken hands with corona- affected patients during his trip to A and E. His pregnant partner would have loved that. Luckily it was one of his fibs- there were no Cov19 patients in Kettering Hospital that night. The UK heaves a sigh of relief ......

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

Most governments and large pharmaceutical companies are working around the clock to develop a VACCINE for Covid-19

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you are referring to H9N2 for example being able to suppress the bodies expression of IFN stimulated anti viral proteins to itself then you are correct, however this is different to HIV's ability to suppress and attack directly the immune system more generally as it does not leave your body unable to respond or fight other concurrent or subsequent pathogens, beyond them simply overwhelming the bodies capacity to respond by sheer numbers. Perhaps I should have been clearer on that point.

I've not seen anything about the PM shaking hands with any patients so cannot comment on that.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

just reading a few news sites before work and the Corona stories seem to have been dialled back a little.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"just reading a few news sites before work and the Corona stories seem to have been dialled back a little. "

Short attention spans. It's one of the dangers.

Because of the lockdown in China the new infection rate has fallen so there's no problem anymore right?

Wait until people start going back to work there or until the infection rate increases faster here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ahhhh-choooo!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Boris Johnson stating he visited a hospital with patients with corona virus and shook hands with everybody- Sky News 3rd March.

I read it via Gavin Esler’s twitter feed.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"Most governments and large pharmaceutical companies are working around the clock to develop a VACCINE for Covid-19"

There are reported efforts to create a vaccine but testing their effectiveness, safety and the creation of them in high enough volumes is a very lengthy process. Importantly, it costs money and private health companies are only interested in profits.

Expect it to take months to find, test and produce. Plus International approvals times.

Whilst millions worry, it may seem to us outsiders that there would be tons of money to be made - that may not be the case. Watch the progression of the disease without a vaccine.

Is our reliance on a for-profit model only, the intelligent approach to gain such vaccines, or could that be something that results in more people suffering and never potentially getting treatments that are needed?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have a huge stock of all thats needed if lockdown required

also stocked up with Antibiotics

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By *nicecoupleXCouple
over a year ago

Hitch

3.4 % death rate is pretty high.

Its estimated that between 40 and 70 % of people in the USA could be infected.

So lets say 330 mil plus 30 mil undocumented = 360 mil

The the lower rate or 40% = 144 mil

That's 489 k possible deaths at the rate

850k at the higher

Time to stock up on the spam

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"Have a huge stock of all thats needed if lockdown required

also stocked up with Antibiotics

I presume you are trolling with the antibiotics comment?

-Matt

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Be better of with the antivirals they are using to treat it.

All available online.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Have a huge stock of all thats needed if lockdown required

also stocked up with Antibiotics

I presume you are trolling with the antibiotics comment?

-Matt"

why would I be trolling

what is the first thing you are prescribed for pneumonia?

and what secondary infection does corona lead onto?

being totally serious

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"Most governments and large pharmaceutical companies are working around the clock to develop a VACCINE for Covid-19

Expect it to take months to find, test and produce. Plus International approvals times.

Whilst millions worry, it may seem to us outsiders that there would be tons of money to be made - that may not be the case. Watch the progression of the disease without a vaccine.

The chief medical officer said this morning it will probably take a year to test and roll out a vaccine. Confused why some people on this thread state categorically vaccines don’t work against viruses. It will take a year because the virus has a low mortality rate as opposed to say Ebola which was very high and because the mortality rate is low , the vaccine does not need to be rushed through; corners don’t need to be cut

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Have a huge stock of all thats needed if lockdown required

also stocked up with Antibiotics

I presume you are trolling with the antibiotics comment?

-Matt

why would I be trolling

what is the first thing you are prescribed for pneumonia?

and what secondary infection does corona lead onto?

being totally serious"

Then you aren't as bright as you so loudly proclaim.

Pneumonia can be caused by a viral or bacterial infection or fungus.

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"3.4 % death rate is pretty high."

It's a 96.6% survival rate. That said, enough people are so shit scared that it's slowing capitalism right down - which is good for the environment.

Who'd have though a virus you really don't need to be that frightened of would lead to a reduction in carbon emissions?

Swings and roundabouts, eh?

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"Happily experts do seem to be back in fashion which is a relief. Even our Prime Minister has finally come out of hiding and allowed the Chief Medical Officer and Chief Scientific Advisor to explain the complexity of the situation and not oversimplify it to a simple soundbite.

Chris Whitty was also on Today this morning and again doing a good job.

This is also worth a listen:

Decision Time - Corona Virus with Tony Robinson. Some more experts I'm afraid.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000gfcx"

Amen to that. Definitely worth listening to.

And I'm sure Nick gets called Tony all the time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"3.4 % death rate is pretty high.

It's a 96.6% survival rate. That said, enough people are so shit scared that it's slowing capitalism right down - which is good for the environment.

Who'd have though a virus you really don't need to be that frightened of would lead to a reduction in carbon emissions?

Swings and roundabouts, eh?"

But Mr Trump says he has a hunch it’s way less than 1% and inferred it’s fine to go to work with it, so we can all sleep that bit more soundly in our beds now.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"3.4 % death rate is pretty high.

It's a 96.6% survival rate. That said, enough people are so shit scared that it's slowing capitalism right down - which is good for the environment.

Who'd have though a virus you really don't need to be that frightened of would lead to a reduction in carbon emissions?

Swings and roundabouts, eh?

But Mr Trump says he has a hunch it’s way less than 1% and inferred it’s fine to go to work with it, so we can all sleep that bit more soundly in our beds now."

No one knows what the real rate is because it has been reported that for a good few the infection has very few if any symptoms so it's possible the mortality rate is much lower than feared.

While it's a serious issue it's no zombie apocalypse, yet, and of course the world could do with a few less of us walking about, it would be ironic if the death raised to 30 to 40 percent, it would save the world from man made climate change in a stroke

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

As the chief medical officer said today ; you are highly unlikely to die if :

A. You are not elderly

B. You are basically fit and healthy with no underlying serious health conditions.

Which is the vast vast majority of the population

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By *igsteve43Man
over a year ago

derby

So are you saying that the 700,000 people who could die are expendable?

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

First 500,000.... now 700,000 dead. Lol lol... oh god that’s hilarious. Let’s just make it a round million why don’t we

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

Compared to how many might die if climate change goes into overdrive that could be a small number, of course that's if it's real, and to have any affect on the climate it would need a couple of billion to succumb to the virus,

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By *igsteve43Man
over a year ago

derby

"First 500,000.... now 700,000 dead. Lol lol... oh god that’s hilarious. Let’s just make it a round million why don’t we"

I didnt say 500,000 and it would seem ive under egged it as the who say the virus has a contagion rate of approx 80% and have revised theirestimated 3.4% as our population is at least 65 million, that means close to two million dead, its not just a sniffle anymore

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By *igsteve43Man
over a year ago

derby

"Compared to how many might die if climate change goes into overdrive that could be a small number, of course that's if it's real, and to have any affect on the climate it would need a couple of billion to succumb to the virus,

If this becomes a pandemic thats the sort of losses we may be talking abou

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"First 500,000.... now 700,000 dead. Lol lol... oh god that’s hilarious. Let’s just make it a round million why don’t we

I didnt say that you did say 500,000 dead. But there are quite a few references on this thread to the 500,000 figure. Anyone who gets to a figure of 500,000 or 700,000 deaths in the UK needs to re-take their GCSE maths lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As the chief medical officer said today ; you are highly unlikely to die if :

A. You are not elderly

B. You are basically fit and healthy with no underlying serious health conditions.

Which is the vast vast majority of the population "

Well it would probably kill me, for one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is bizarre to me that anybody could laugh at the prospect of a lot of people dying from a pandemic.

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By *igsteve43Man
over a year ago

derby

"First 500,000.... now 700,000 dead. Lol lol... oh god that’s hilarious. Let’s just make it a round million why don’t we

What do you believe 3% of of 64 million is then?

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

3% of 64 million?. I make that 1.92 million. What do you make it?

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By *igsteve43Man
over a year ago

derby

"3% of 64 million?. I make that 1.92 million. What do you make it?"

Well i made the same figure when i explained the who and uk chief medicals estimate at uk deaths if this becomes an epidemic and you said the maths was wrong

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

Check out what’s happening in China. Review exactly what the CMO said today. You believe every single person in the UK will be infected ?. What’s the population of wuhan?. How many were infected ?. How many died ?. How long did the Chinese turn a blind eye before they acted ?. Is the infection rate in wuhan declining or increasing ?. Is the death rate in wuhan increasing or declining ?. In such a vast , highly densely populated city such as wuhan , what is the projected number of deaths ?.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Do you think its a bit of a panic reaction ....81 cases in UK from a population of 60 million plus...not that much of a cold/ flu is it really

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By *igsteve43Man
over a year ago

derby

"Check out what’s happening in China. Review exactly what the CMO said today. You believe every single person in the UK will be infected ?. What’s the population of wuhan?. How many were infected ?. How many died ?. How long did the Chinese turn a blind eye before they acted ?. Is the infection rate in wuhan declining or increasing ?. Is the death rate in wuhan increasing or declining ?. In such a vast , highly densely populated city such as wuhan , what is the projected number of deaths ?. "

Firstly i apologise i misread that the mortality rate was 3.4% of all reported cases and as only a fraction of those infected feel ill enough to report it the number of deaths would be considerably lower than i estimated but still considerably higher than it should be.

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By *igsteve43Man
over a year ago

derby

"Do you think its a bit of a panic reaction ....81 cases in UK from a population of 60 million plus...not that much of a cold/ flu is it really"

Sorry mate up to 116 today and one death

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Eat pringles. Not bat's!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Eat pringles. Not bat's!! "

Is that the new Pringles ad?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you think its a bit of a panic reaction ....81 cases in UK from a population of 60 million plus...not that much of a cold/ flu is it really

Sorry mate up to 116 today and one death"

An extra 35 today? At that rate only another 5000 years to go and all 65,000,000 people in the uk will have caught it

Time to start worrying

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over a year ago

"Do you think its a bit of a panic reaction ....81 cases in UK from a population of 60 million plus...not that much of a cold/ flu is it really

Sorry mate up to 116 today and one death

An extra 35 today? At that rate only another 5000 years to go and all 65,000,000 people in the uk will have caught it

Time to start worrying

Where is the math to support that ?

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"Do you think its a bit of a panic reaction ....81 cases in UK from a population of 60 million plus...not that much of a cold/ flu is it really

Sorry mate up to 116 today and one death

An extra 35 today? At that rate only another 5000 years to go and all 65,000,000 people in the uk will have caught it

Time to start worrying

Lol. What a fantastic way to demonstrate a lack of understanding of maths. You think the rate of infection is linear? How cute.

-Matt

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

He was taking the mick out of the doomongers not being serious

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"He was taking the mick out of the doomongers not being serious"

Really? Strange way to go about it. Surely if that was the intention then you wouldn’t purposefully misrepresent the maths behind it and instead focus on an actually valid reason.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Antibiotics will NOT help you

That is why my doctor has given me a 3 month prescription of Antibiotics

I have no spleen, hence my immune system is lower than others, I should have been on antibiotics for life since 1990's but I only take when there is chance of catching a cold or chest infection, but yesterday I took my doctors advice and have gone on antibiotics for 3 months

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Antibiotics will NOT help you

That is why my doctor has given me a 3 month prescription of Antibiotics

Just to reiterate:

Pneumonia can be caused by a viral or bacterial infection or fungus.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

OK folks, panic over.

Megan Markle has replaced Coronavirus as the Mails top story.

So it can't be all that bad then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OK folks, panic over.

Megan Markle has replaced Coronavirus as the Mails top story.

So it can't be all that bad then.

That is actually pretty funny

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"Do you think its a bit of a panic reaction ....81 cases in UK from a population of 60 million plus...not that much of a cold/ flu is it really

Sorry mate up to 116 today and one death

An extra 35 today? At that rate only another 5000 years to go and all 65,000,000 people in the uk will have caught it

Time to start worrying

Lol. What a fantastic way to demonstrate a lack of understanding of maths. You think the rate of infection is linear? How cute.

-Matt"

I did a quick back-of-a-fag-packet calculation, based on current rate of growth for the curve, and if there is no urgent change of policy by the government (like closing down all public events), by two weeks today the numbers will be something like 2000 new cases every day. Two weeks after that it could be up to 100,000 a day, but no-one will be counting by then.

The reported growth rate in china has slowed now, but only because (a) they have put entire cities into isolation and stopped counting, and (b) they have an authoritarian government that is willing to do whatever it takes instead of just twatting on repeating a four word mantra.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

-Matt

Found an old Marlboro Lights cigarette packet in the cupboard, a normal one, no health warnings etc, must be about 12 years old

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you think its a bit of a panic reaction ....81 cases in UK from a population of 60 million plus...not that much of a cold/ flu is it really

Sorry mate up to 116 today and one death

An extra 35 today? At that rate only another 5000 years to go and all 65,000,000 people in the uk will have caught it

Time to start worrying

Lol. What a fantastic way to demonstrate a lack of understanding of maths. You think the rate of infection is linear? How cute.

-Matt"

Someone had a humour bypass at birth

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

I reckon the bloke who invented hand sanitizer must be rubbing his hands together.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I reckon the bloke who invented hand sanitizer must be rubbing his hands together."

He'll clean up

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over a year ago

"I reckon the bloke who invented hand sanitizer must be rubbing his hands together.

He'll clean up

Steady now Basil....boom boom!

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"I reckon the bloke who invented hand sanitizer must be rubbing his hands together.

He'll clean up

Steady now Basil....boom boom!

That should be Brushed under the carpet

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

When it gets really bad, I’m gonna hold my toddler of a granddaughter in my arms in front of me as a sorta human shield . Kids hardly get affected so sounds a plan

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"When it gets really bad, I’m gonna hold my toddler of a granddaughter in my arms in front of me as a sorta human shield . Kids hardly get affected so sounds a plan"

I know that you're joking, but try not to think in these over-simplified terms or communicate this sort of thinking.

Anyone, young, middle-aged and old, can be seriously effected if they have an underlying medical condition. This may not be apparent, particularly when they are younger.

You have to act as if everyone is at risk...

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

I just bought a pair of arsenal goalkeeping gloves they should keep me safe he seems to catch fuck all while wearing them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just bought a pair of arsenal goalkeeping gloves they should keep me safe he seems to catch fuck all while wearing them.

Harsh but fair, unfortunately

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The advice is to take precautions but don't panic.

Yep.

I mean if you just look at the infographics you can see how severe the risk or little risk the virus is to you.

For me it'd likely just be a mild flu.

Should I take actions incase of infection or a need to self isolate, yes, and I have, as I work in an NHS laboratory and take public transportation.

Again, as another poster eluded to, we just.like to sensationalise things now.

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

Ya can’t even make a joke without the doom and gloom merchant giving a health & safety lecture ffs

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Antibiotics will NOT help you

That is why my doctor has given me a 3 month prescription of Antibiotics

Just to reiterate:

Pneumonia can be caused by a viral or bacterial infection or fungus."

and your point is?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Antibiotics will NOT help you

That is why my doctor has given me a 3 month prescription of Antibiotics

Just to reiterate:

Pneumonia can be caused by a viral or bacterial infection or fungus.

and your point is?

That the overuse of antibiotics and anti bacterial wipes and cleaners is a bigger risk to global health than the Corona virus.

You can get the virus, and get pneumonia and your antibiotics will make no difference whatsoever.

You understand that, right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Antibiotics will NOT help you

That is why my doctor has given me a 3 month prescription of Antibiotics

Just to reiterate:

Pneumonia can be caused by a viral or bacterial infection or fungus.

and your point is?

That the overuse of antibiotics and anti bacterial wipes and cleaners is a bigger risk to global health than the Corona virus.

You can get the virus, and get pneumonia and your antibiotics will make no difference whatsoever.

You understand that, right?"

or alternatively they can make the World of difference

depends if your pneumonia is viral or bacterial

fact is;

If you do not have a spleen, or have a spleen that does not work well, you have an increased risk of developing some serious infections. The risk is reduced by: immunisation, taking regular low-dose antibiotics and taking full-strength antibiotics as soon as the first sign of infection develops.

You understand that, right?

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"Antibiotics will NOT help you

That is why my doctor has given me a 3 month prescription of Antibiotics

Just to reiterate:

Pneumonia can be caused by a viral or bacterial infection or fungus.

and your point is?

That the overuse of antibiotics and anti bacterial wipes and cleaners is a bigger risk to global health than the Corona virus.

You can get the virus, and get pneumonia and your antibiotics will make no difference whatsoever.

You understand that, right?

or alternatively they can make the World of difference

depends if your pneumonia is viral or bacterial

fact is;

You understand that, right?

Too many armchair experts in here on so many subjects don’t you think lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Antibiotics will NOT help you

That is why my doctor has given me a 3 month prescription of Antibiotics

Just to reiterate:

Pneumonia can be caused by a viral or bacterial infection or fungus.

and your point is?

That the overuse of antibiotics and anti bacterial wipes and cleaners is a bigger risk to global health than the Corona virus.

You can get the virus, and get pneumonia and your antibiotics will make no difference whatsoever.

You understand that, right?

or alternatively they can make the World of difference

depends if your pneumonia is viral or bacterial

fact is;

You understand that, right?

Too many armchair experts in here on so many subjects don’t you think lol"

ignore the "fab" experts and take advice from a doctor you trust in

note I say "a doctor you trust in" as some are better than others, you need to choose well.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Antibiotics will NOT help you

That is why my doctor has given me a 3 month prescription of Antibiotics

Just to reiterate:

Pneumonia can be caused by a viral or bacterial infection or fungus.

and your point is?

That the overuse of antibiotics and anti bacterial wipes and cleaners is a bigger risk to global health than the Corona virus.

You can get the virus, and get pneumonia and your antibiotics will make no difference whatsoever.

You understand that, right?

or alternatively they can make the World of difference

depends if your pneumonia is viral or bacterial

fact is;

You understand that, right?

Too many armchair experts in here on so many subjects don’t you think lol

ignore the "fab" experts and take advice from a doctor you trust in

note I say "a doctor you trust in" as some are better than others, you need to choose well."

Fine. If you really believe that antibiotics will fix your viral or fungal infection then good luck to you

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By *sianmale89Man
over a year ago

Stockport

What’s concerning the most aside from the effects of the virus and also the rising death rate in the infected is that there is no current vaccine for this disease which is spreading more and more daily. Mind you there is a round the clock world effort going on in developing vaccinations which will take a while as atm as far as I can tell they are testing on infected animals to see if there is any clearance in their system from the different vaccines administered before they can start on human test subjects down the line. I even Heard a theory that they may try a blood transfer trial from people who have recovered from the virus on to some off the infected and see if that works?

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"Antibiotics will NOT help you

That is why my doctor has given me a 3 month prescription of Antibiotics

Just to reiterate:

Pneumonia can be caused by a viral or bacterial infection or fungus.

and your point is?

That the overuse of antibiotics and anti bacterial wipes and cleaners is a bigger risk to global health than the Corona virus.

You can get the virus, and get pneumonia and your antibiotics will make no difference whatsoever.

You understand that, right?

or alternatively they can make the World of difference

depends if your pneumonia is viral or bacterial

fact is;

You understand that, right?

Too many armchair experts in here on so many subjects don’t you think lol

ignore the "fab" experts and take advice from a doctor you trust in

note I say "a doctor you trust in" as some are better than others, you need to choose well.

Fine. If you really believe that antibiotics will fix your viral or fungal infection then good luck to you

He hasn't said that they will cure either, what he has said that they will prevent secondary bacterial infections which as he has no spleen he is far more susceptible to than you or I.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Antibiotics will NOT help you

That is why my doctor has given me a 3 month prescription of Antibiotics

Just to reiterate:

Pneumonia can be caused by a viral or bacterial infection or fungus.

and your point is?

That the overuse of antibiotics and anti bacterial wipes and cleaners is a bigger risk to global health than the Corona virus.

You can get the virus, and get pneumonia and your antibiotics will make no difference whatsoever.

You understand that, right?

or alternatively they can make the World of difference

depends if your pneumonia is viral or bacterial

fact is;

You understand that, right?

Too many armchair experts in here on so many subjects don’t you think lol

ignore the "fab" experts and take advice from a doctor you trust in

note I say "a doctor you trust in" as some are better than others, you need to choose well.

Fine. If you really believe that antibiotics will fix your viral or fungal infection then good luck to you

Where has anyone said that antibiotics will aid a viral or fungal infection, go back and read the thread, tell me where anyone states antibiotics will fix viral.

Doctors advise anyone who has no spleen to go on high strength antibiotics right away as soon as a chest infection develops

they advise immediately, they do not advise to wait and take tests to see if bacterial or viral

why dont you read up on that before the mislead people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Antibiotics will NOT help you

That is why my doctor has given me a 3 month prescription of Antibiotics

Just to reiterate:

Pneumonia can be caused by a viral or bacterial infection or fungus.

and your point is?

That the overuse of antibiotics and anti bacterial wipes and cleaners is a bigger risk to global health than the Corona virus.

You can get the virus, and get pneumonia and your antibiotics will make no difference whatsoever.

You understand that, right?

or alternatively they can make the World of difference

depends if your pneumonia is viral or bacterial

fact is;

You understand that, right?

Too many armchair experts in here on so many subjects don’t you think lol

ignore the "fab" experts and take advice from a doctor you trust in

note I say "a doctor you trust in" as some are better than others, you need to choose well.

Fine. If you really believe that antibiotics will fix your viral or fungal infection then good luck to you

He hasn't said that they will cure either, what he has said that they will prevent secondary bacterial infections which as he has no spleen he is far more susceptible to than you or I."

Glad you can clearly read and understand that _obka3

some on here simply cannot read and understand the simplest of things

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ha, people on here will argue over anything

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Tried to get the smallest of victories and flopped.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Antibiotics will NOT help you

That is why my doctor has given me a 3 month prescription of Antibiotics

Just to reiterate:

Pneumonia can be caused by a viral or bacterial infection or fungus.

and your point is?

That the overuse of antibiotics and anti bacterial wipes and cleaners is a bigger risk to global health than the Corona virus.

You can get the virus, and get pneumonia and your antibiotics will make no difference whatsoever.

You understand that, right?

or alternatively they can make the World of difference

depends if your pneumonia is viral or bacterial

fact is;

You understand that, right?

Too many armchair experts in here on so many subjects don’t you think lol

ignore the "fab" experts and take advice from a doctor you trust in

note I say "a doctor you trust in" as some are better than others, you need to choose well.

Fine. If you really believe that antibiotics will fix your viral or fungal infection then good luck to you

He hasn't said that they will cure either, what he has said that they will prevent secondary bacterial infections which as he has no spleen he is far more susceptible to than you or I.

Glad you can clearly read and understand that _obka3

some on here simply cannot read and understand the simplest of things"

Then I apologise. I did not read your clarification properly.

I still had your initial post in mind:

"why would I be trolling

what is the first thing you are prescribed for pneumonia?

and what secondary infection does corona lead onto?

being totally serious"

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Antibiotics will NOT help you

That is why my doctor has given me a 3 month prescription of Antibiotics

Just to reiterate:

Pneumonia can be caused by a viral or bacterial infection or fungus.

and your point is?

That the overuse of antibiotics and anti bacterial wipes and cleaners is a bigger risk to global health than the Corona virus.

You can get the virus, and get pneumonia and your antibiotics will make no difference whatsoever.

You understand that, right?

or alternatively they can make the World of difference

depends if your pneumonia is viral or bacterial

fact is;

You understand that, right?

Too many armchair experts in here on so many subjects don’t you think lol

ignore the "fab" experts and take advice from a doctor you trust in

note I say "a doctor you trust in" as some are better than others, you need to choose well.

Fine. If you really believe that antibiotics will fix your viral or fungal infection then good luck to you

He hasn't said that they will cure either, what he has said that they will prevent secondary bacterial infections which as he has no spleen he is far more susceptible to than you or I.

Glad you can clearly read and understand that _obka3

some on here simply cannot read and understand the simplest of things"

Hope you make it through dude

And I see you are stockpiling ammo from the other thread can I come chill at yours if it gets really serious. I got a Mossberg a serious amount of Toilet roll and whiskey.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you have no spleen and reduced immune system

a doctor does not wait and carry out tests to see what strain of pneumonia you have, he immediately puts you on high antibiotics, in my case 500mg Amoxicillin, normally you keep this at home as stand by and as soon as you develop signs of a cold or chest infection, you go on this right away

you do not hold off, go visit doctor and ask for tests to see if viral, bacterial or what ever

kind of common sense, but then with some; common sense is not often found.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And I see you are stockpiling ammo from the other thread can I come chill at yours if it gets really serious. I got a Mossberg a serious amount of Toilet roll and whiskey.

your more than welcome

I have a Benelli M2 9 shot semi auto (solid slug) only allowed 300 cartridges as they have to go on your firearm cert even although shotgun cartridge as its solid slug.

300 of each of other rounds too

dont worry about toilet roll I have plenty for us all, never enough Whisky though, so feel free to bring as much as you can carry

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"If you have no spleen and reduced immune system

you do not hold off, go visit doctor and ask for tests to see if viral, bacterial or what ever

kind of common sense, but then with some; common sense is not often found. "

Again, you did not say that in your initial comment and I did not read your clarification properly.

You would not take antibiotics without thought under other circumstances.

Are you not able to accept an apology?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you have no spleen and reduced immune system

you do not hold off, go visit doctor and ask for tests to see if viral, bacterial or what ever

kind of common sense, but then with some; common sense is not often found.

Again, you did not say that in your initial comment and I did not read your clarification properly.

You would not take antibiotics without thought under other circumstances.

Are you not able to accept an apology?"

ofcourse

no worries, enjoy your night, if your ever up in Scotland, come on over and enjoy a whisky or two

they say Scots are highly protected due to the amount of alcohol in our bodies

(joke)

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By *sianmale89Man
over a year ago

Stockport

"Ha, people on here will argue over anything

"
it is the politics forum after all...they could start an argument in an empty house even if they could.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

Number of diagnosed cases in UK now doubling every two days, according to latest official figures. At just over 200 cases today (saturday). So:

Monday - 400

Wednesday - 800

Friday - 1,600

Next Sunday - 3,200

Week on Tuesday - 6,400

Week on Thursday - 12,800

Week on Saturday - 25,600

Two weeks on Monday - 51,200

Two weeks on Wednesday - 102,400

Or thereabouts. Might reach the 100 thousand level a few days earlier or later, but it will get there unless the government does something very drastic like forced quarantine of cities and stopping all movement.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

Italy has now placed a region containing 10 million people into forced quarantine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Number of diagnosed cases in UK now doubling every two days, according to latest official figures. At just over 200 cases today (saturday). So:

Monday - 400

Wednesday - 800

Friday - 1,600

Next Sunday - 3,200

Week on Tuesday - 6,400

Week on Thursday - 12,800

Week on Saturday - 25,600

Two weeks on Monday - 51,200

Two weeks on Wednesday - 102,400

as long as C2C is still on next weekend,

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Italy have now got 16 million people in lockdown

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Which is a bit crazy as no vaccine means how long will people be in lockdown??

I mean once they allow free movement again it will just start all over again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Which is a bit crazy as no vaccine means how long will people be in lockdown??

I mean once they allow free movement again it will just start all over again.

I think the idea of the lockdown is to wait until the infection rates drop and end, you only need the vacation really for the next outbreak.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its going to spread what ever government's around the world do.

Best thing is to slow the spread as much as possibke to give the health service the best chance of coping.

The way to do that is education on hygeine and self isolation, then carry on as normal. Exactly what our government has done.

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

With Italy fucked, Best Buy ur pasta whilst u can

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Number of diagnosed cases in UK now doubling every two days, according to latest official figures. At just over 200 cases today (saturday). So:

Monday - 400

Wednesday - 800

Friday - 1,600

Next Sunday - 3,200

Week on Tuesday - 6,400

Week on Thursday - 12,800

Week on Saturday - 25,600

Two weeks on Monday - 51,200

Two weeks on Wednesday - 102,400

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As long as Northwich Sauna is open, a "flying fig I do not give"...!!

Eva X

(Having a laugh at all the faff)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Number of diagnosed cases in UK now doubling every two days, according to latest official figures. At just over 200 cases today (saturday). So:

Monday - 400

Wednesday - 800

Friday - 1,600

Next Sunday - 3,200

Week on Tuesday - 6,400

Week on Thursday - 12,800

Week on Saturday - 25,600

Two weeks on Monday - 51,200

Two weeks on Wednesday - 102,400

**********************

As long as Northwich Sauna is open, a "flying fig I do not give"...!!

Eva X

(Having a laugh at all the faff)"

Ah, not very compassionate then? I suppose you don’t care if any of your friends or family catch the virus?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Number of diagnosed cases in UK now doubling every two days, according to latest official figures. At just over 200 cases today (saturday). So:

Monday - 400

Wednesday - 800

Friday - 1,600

Next Sunday - 3,200

Week on Tuesday - 6,400

Week on Thursday - 12,800

Week on Saturday - 25,600

Two weeks on Monday - 51,200

Two weeks on Wednesday - 102,400

**********************

As long as Northwich Sauna is open, a "flying fig I do not give"...!!

Eva X

(Having a laugh at all the faff)

Ah, not very compassionate then? I suppose you don’t care if any of your friends or family catch the virus? "

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Don't put words in my mouth son.

Eva

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