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"Let's see how his case goes before we pass judgement. I am sure everyone appearing before a tribunal thinks that their case is water tight. It may be that the defence is water tight as well . He is simply a civil servant who can be replaced. Priti Patel is the Home Secretary. She should be admired for standing up to unelected civil servants. If they do not like their role they can leave. The government were elected with a landslide majority and we want ministers such as Priti Patel who refuse to be bullied by career driven civil servants. " It’s hard to take seriously words like ‘unelected’ when this govt. are making peers of people like Zac Goldsmith so he can continue his sycophantic ways. | |||
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"To be totally honest, he needs to man the fuck up. If I was in a job for 33 years then started sulking because I got criticised, left the job, then started proceedings to sue my ex employer I wouldn't be able to look myself in the mirror. I'd say that no matter who the alegation was against." I bet she is a real pain in the ass to work with though  | |||
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"To be totally honest, he needs to man the fuck up. If I was in a job for 33 years then started sulking because I got criticised, left the job, then started proceedings to sue my ex employer I wouldn't be able to look myself in the mirror. I'd say that no matter who the alegation was against. I bet she is a real pain in the ass to work with though "No doubt she is. I'd still fuck her though, might cheer her up a bit  | |||
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" I bet she is a real pain in the ass to work with though "I'd like to be her pain in the ass  | |||
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"Let's see how his case goes before we pass judgement. I am sure everyone appearing before a tribunal thinks that their case is water tight. It may be that the defence is water tight as well . He is simply a civil servant who can be replaced. Priti Patel is the Home Secretary. She should be admired for standing up to unelected civil servants. If they do not like their role they can leave. The government were elected with a landslide majority and we want ministers such as Priti Patel who refuse to be bullied by career driven civil servants. " Ha! Did you read the article? I'll guess no 
The government are already facing one unfair dismissal case with the former Chancellor's advisor.
The Home Secretary can also "simply be replaced". Have you not noticed that happening before? 
The Permanent Secretary has a specific title. Can you see a clue?
He clearly did not like the conditions under which he was working and has left. That is rather the point. He's just intending to so something about those conditions.
You are quite right. We will wait and see and as I said I fully expect the government to try to brazen it out. | |||
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"so he quit his job now taking the gov to court for constructive dismisal.im guessing he quit because he dont like being told what to do.shes his boss the goverment want to do certain things im guessing he dont agree with that why he quit.if u an employee and you dont like what the boss is doing get another job and stop whinging its what most peeps do. hope he gets laughed out of court" Lots of guessing eh? Read the article as to why he left. You don't need to guess | |||
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"To be totally honest, he needs to man the fuck up. If I was in a job for 33 years then started sulking because I got criticised, left the job, then started proceedings to sue my ex employer I wouldn't be able to look myself in the mirror. I'd say that no matter who the alegation was against." I've seen toxic managers at work. Charming to those above and at the same level. Patel does not actually seem to manage this though. Nasty and bullying to subordinates. Someone who aspires to the behaviour "The Thick of It" rather than viewing it as parody. Perhaps that's a style that you admire but it destroys people and teams and companies. "Manning up" is not a thing that anyone should have to do except in a warzone or a crisis. | |||
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"Let's see how his case goes before we pass judgement. I am sure everyone appearing before a tribunal thinks that their case is water tight. It may be that the defence is water tight as well . He is simply a civil servant who can be replaced. Priti Patel is the Home Secretary. She should be admired for standing up to unelected civil servants. If they do not like their role they can leave. The government were elected with a landslide majority and we want ministers such as Priti Patel who refuse to be bullied by career driven civil servants. " She is a very evil women like all in this government at the moment. | |||
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"read an article with one side of the argument and belive every word no thanks i will wait till its been to court was just givin an opinion u on the other hand already seem to have decided shes guilty. no surprise there though hey.last time will be replying to you as got a ban the last time i did sweety xx" Actually, I read the briefings against Sir Philip Rutman as well. So both sides looked at. Have you done as much? I've already said that we will see how this pans out. I've never reported you so you should perhaps moderate your tone. Sweetie | |||
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"To be totally honest, he needs to man the fuck up. If I was in a job for 33 years then started sulking because I got criticised, left the job, then started proceedings to sue my ex employer I wouldn't be able to look myself in the mirror. I'd say that no matter who the alegation was against. I've seen toxic managers at work. Charming to those above and at the same level. Patel does not actually seem to manage this though. Nasty and bullying to subordinates. Someone who aspires to the behaviour "The Thick of It" rather than viewing it as parody. Perhaps that's a style that you admire but it destroys people and teams and companies. "Manning up" is not a thing that anyone should have to do except in a warzone or a crisis." Lets see what the outcome is the guys been in the job 33 years so maybe time for a new face, people who stay to long seem to go stale and maybe the extra workload with brexit has tipped him over the edge.Very easy to blame a new boss instead of saying there's to much work to be done. | |||
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"I wonder why people of long-standing within the office and outside it have issues with her? " Only they know that.You never had a new boss come in and not got on with them? i know i have. | |||
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"To be totally honest, he needs to man the fuck up. If I was in a job for 33 years then started sulking because I got criticised, left the job, then started proceedings to sue my ex employer I wouldn't be able to look myself in the mirror. I'd say that no matter who the alegation was against. I've seen toxic managers at work. Charming to those above and at the same level. Patel does not actually seem to manage this though. Nasty and bullying to subordinates. Someone who aspires to the behaviour "The Thick of It" rather than viewing it as parody. Perhaps that's a style that you admire but it destroys people and teams and companies. "Manning up" is not a thing that anyone should have to do except in a warzone or a crisis.Lets see what the outcome is the guys been in the job 33 years so maybe time for a new face, people who stay to long seem to go stale and maybe the extra workload with brexit has tipped him over the edge.Very easy to blame a new boss instead of saying there's to much work to be done. "It's not just him though. That could be argued away. It is also Javid's advisor and other members of the Home Office. If you are making people cry and swearing at them then you should not be in post. | |||
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"I wonder why people of long-standing within the office and outside it have issues with her? Only they know that.You never had a new boss come in and not got on with them? i know i have." I wonder if being a woman of a different background riles them and others up? | |||
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"To be totally honest, he needs to man the fuck up. If I was in a job for 33 years then started sulking because I got criticised, left the job, then started proceedings to sue my ex employer I wouldn't be able to look myself in the mirror. I'd say that no matter who the alegation was against. I've seen toxic managers at work. Charming to those above and at the same level. Patel does not actually seem to manage this though. Nasty and bullying to subordinates. Someone who aspires to the behaviour "The Thick of It" rather than viewing it as parody. Perhaps that's a style that you admire but it destroys people and teams and companies. "Manning up" is not a thing that anyone should have to do except in a warzone or a crisis.Lets see what the outcome is the guys been in the job 33 years so maybe time for a new face, people who stay to long seem to go stale and maybe the extra workload with brexit has tipped him over the edge.Very easy to blame a new boss instead of saying there's to much work to be done.
It's not just him though. That could be argued away.
It is also Javid's advisor and other members of the Home Office.
If you are making people cry and swearing at them then you should not be in post."Agree with you there thats why i was glad bercow went but if i remember rightly you were for him. | |||
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"I wonder why people of long-standing within the office and outside it have issues with her? Only they know that.You never had a new boss come in and not got on with them? i know i have. I wonder if being a woman of a different background riles them and others up? " Perhaps, perhaps not. It doesn't seem that this is a specific personality clash though. It seems rather more widespread. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/29/priti-patel-how-bullying-allegations-unfolded | |||
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"I wonder why people of long-standing within the office and outside it have issues with her? Only they know that.You never had a new boss come in and not got on with them? i know i have. I wonder if being a woman of a different background riles them and others up? Perhaps, perhaps not. It doesn't seem that this is a specific personality clash though. It seems rather more widespread. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/29/priti-patel-how-bullying-allegations-unfolded" I wouldn’t regard the Guardian as balanced same as the daily mail and it’s counter briefing claims I’m sure the truth will out. | |||
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"I wonder why people of long-standing within the office and outside it have issues with her? Only they know that.You never had a new boss come in and not got on with them? i know i have. I wonder if being a woman of a different background riles them and others up? Perhaps, perhaps not. It doesn't seem that this is a specific personality clash though. It seems rather more widespread. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/29/priti-patel-how-bullying-allegations-unfolded I wouldn’t regard the Guardian as balanced same as the daily mail and it’s counter briefing claims I’m sure the truth will out. "I was just about to say the same hardly a balanced view but guess its hard for a no can do person to work with a can do person. | |||
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"I wonder why people of long-standing within the office and outside it have issues with her? Only they know that.You never had a new boss come in and not got on with them? i know i have. I wonder if being a woman of a different background riles them and others up? Perhaps, perhaps not. It doesn't seem that this is a specific personality clash though. It seems rather more widespread. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/29/priti-patel-how-bullying-allegations-unfolded I wouldn’t regard the Guardian as balanced same as the daily mail and it’s counter briefing claims I’m sure the truth will out. I was just about to say the same hardly a balanced view but guess its hard for a no can do person to work with a can do person."Did you actually read it? Read the article in The Mail then, or the original one in The Times about her behaviour. The Guardian just gave a neat summary of the timeline that does not appear anywhere else. It seems hard for much of the Home Office to work with her "can do attitude" | |||
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"I wonder why people of long-standing within the office and outside it have issues with her? Only they know that.You never had a new boss come in and not got on with them? i know i have. I wonder if being a woman of a different background riles them and others up? Perhaps, perhaps not. It doesn't seem that this is a specific personality clash though. It seems rather more widespread. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/29/priti-patel-how-bullying-allegations-unfolded I wouldn’t regard the Guardian as balanced same as the daily mail and it’s counter briefing claims I’m sure the truth will out. I was just about to say the same hardly a balanced view but guess its hard for a no can do person to work with a can do person.
Did you actually read it?
Read the article in The Mail then, or the original one in The Times about her behaviour.
The Guardian just gave a neat summary of the timeline that does not appear anywhere else.
It seems hard for much of the Home Office to work with her "can do attitude" "Much of it how many resigned? | |||
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"The cabinet office offered him a financial settlement to avoid going to a tribunal but seems like he’s gonna take it all the way . It’s all very bizarre cos the Home Office always seems to be fucking things up no matter who is in charge " The Home Office is vast. If you are unable to delegate it and cannot accept that things in an organisation and a country such as this will take time to put in place then you will fail. | |||
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"I wonder why people of long-standing within the office and outside it have issues with her? Only they know that.You never had a new boss come in and not got on with them? i know i have. I wonder if being a woman of a different background riles them and others up? Perhaps, perhaps not. It doesn't seem that this is a specific personality clash though. It seems rather more widespread. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/29/priti-patel-how-bullying-allegations-unfolded I wouldn’t regard the Guardian as balanced same as the daily mail and it’s counter briefing claims I’m sure the truth will out. I was just about to say the same hardly a balanced view but guess its hard for a no can do person to work with a can do person.
Did you actually read it?
Read the article in The Mail then, or the original one in The Times about her behaviour.
The Guardian just gave a neat summary of the timeline that does not appear anywhere else.
It seems hard for much of the Home Office to work with her "can do attitude" Much of it how many resigned?"You don't have to resign to find someone hard to work with. | |||
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"What percentage of the Home Office find it hard working for her? There must be a known figure to say 'much of it'." Actually it was an exaggeration for dramatic effect, as was the point it was responding too. | |||
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"... draining the swamp. "
Upsetting the Mandarin old boy network. | |||
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"... draining the swamp.
Upsetting the Mandarin old boy network. "Absolutely. | |||
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"What percentage of the Home Office find it hard working for her? There must be a known figure to say 'much of it'. Actually it was an exaggeration for dramatic effect, as was the point it was responding too." Ah, so you made up a lie. | |||
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"I wonder why people of long-standing within the office and outside it have issues with her? Only they know that.You never had a new boss come in and not got on with them? i know i have. I wonder if being a woman of a different background riles them and others up? Perhaps, perhaps not. It doesn't seem that this is a specific personality clash though. It seems rather more widespread. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/29/priti-patel-how-bullying-allegations-unfolded I wouldn’t regard the Guardian as balanced same as the daily mail and it’s counter briefing claims I’m sure the truth will out. I was just about to say the same hardly a balanced view but guess its hard for a no can do person to work with a can do person.
Did you actually read it?
Read the article in The Mail then, or the original one in The Times about her behaviour.
The Guardian just gave a neat summary of the timeline that does not appear anywhere else.
It seems hard for much of the Home Office to work with her "can do attitude" Much of it how many resigned?
You don't have to resign to find someone hard to work with."True but if you are the boss and someone cant achieve what you want you find someone who can its not rocket science. | |||
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"What percentage of the Home Office find it hard working for her? There must be a known figure to say 'much of it'. Actually it was an exaggeration for dramatic effect, as was the point it was responding too. Ah, so you made up a lie. " If you like. Is that micro-victory good enough for you? | |||
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"I wonder why people of long-standing within the office and outside it have issues with her? Only they know that.You never had a new boss come in and not got on with them? i know i have. I wonder if being a woman of a different background riles them and others up? Perhaps, perhaps not. It doesn't seem that this is a specific personality clash though. It seems rather more widespread. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/29/priti-patel-how-bullying-allegations-unfolded I wouldn’t regard the Guardian as balanced same as the daily mail and it’s counter briefing claims I’m sure the truth will out. I was just about to say the same hardly a balanced view but guess its hard for a no can do person to work with a can do person.
Did you actually read it?
Read the article in The Mail then, or the original one in The Times about her behaviour.
The Guardian just gave a neat summary of the timeline that does not appear anywhere else.
It seems hard for much of the Home Office to work with her "can do attitude" Much of it how many resigned?
You don't have to resign to find someone hard to work with.True but if you are the boss and someone cant achieve what you want you find someone who can its not rocket science."Depends what's being demanded. Depends if it's achievable. Depends if it's one of those people who "doesn't want answers just solutions" as if denial of reality delivers a desired outcome. | |||
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"I wonder why people of long-standing within the office and outside it have issues with her? Only they know that.You never had a new boss come in and not got on with them? i know i have. I wonder if being a woman of a different background riles them and others up? Perhaps, perhaps not. It doesn't seem that this is a specific personality clash though. It seems rather more widespread. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/29/priti-patel-how-bullying-allegations-unfolded I wouldn’t regard the Guardian as balanced same as the daily mail and it’s counter briefing claims I’m sure the truth will out. I was just about to say the same hardly a balanced view but guess its hard for a no can do person to work with a can do person.
Did you actually read it?
Read the article in The Mail then, or the original one in The Times about her behaviour.
The Guardian just gave a neat summary of the timeline that does not appear anywhere else.
It seems hard for much of the Home Office to work with her "can do attitude" Much of it how many resigned?
You don't have to resign to find someone hard to work with.True but if you are the boss and someone cant achieve what you want you find someone who can its not rocket science.
Depends what's being demanded. Depends if it's achievable. Depends if it's one of those people who "doesn't want answers just solutions" as if denial of reality delivers a desired outcome."Exactly now you are getting it solutions not problems and you never know what is achievable unless you try.Nobody has ever achieved anything by saying its impossible.A can do attitude is what we need. | |||
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"... draining the swamp. " There’s nothing anti-establishment going on with this govt. | |||
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"The Home Office Permanent Secretary has quit and will bring a claim of constructive dismissal against the government. How bad a manager does Priti Patel have to be for things to get to this? He's no fool. He would not do this so publicly without an airtight case and a sack load of evidence. It will be interesting to see just how brazen this government will be under these circumstances. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/philip-rutnam-resigns-priti-patel-bullying-allegations-home-office-latest-a9366126.html" Lets assume nothing as non of us know all te facts | |||
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"What percentage of the Home Office find it hard working for her? There must be a known figure to say 'much of it'. Actually it was an exaggeration for dramatic effect, as was the point it was responding too. Ah, so you made up a lie. If you like. Is that micro-victory good enough for you? "Just pointing out your error, I don't need micro victories | |||
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"The Home Office Permanent Secretary has quit and will bring a claim of constructive dismissal against the government. How bad a manager does Priti Patel have to be for things to get to this? He's no fool. He would not do this so publicly without an airtight case and a sack load of evidence. It will be interesting to see just how brazen this government will be under these circumstances. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/philip-rutnam-resigns-priti-patel-bullying-allegations-home-office-latest-a9366126.htmlLets assume nothing as non of us know all te facts" | |||
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"I wonder why people of long-standing within the office and outside it have issues with her? Only they know that.You never had a new boss come in and not got on with them? i know i have. I wonder if being a woman of a different background riles them and others up? Perhaps, perhaps not. It doesn't seem that this is a specific personality clash though. It seems rather more widespread. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/29/priti-patel-how-bullying-allegations-unfolded I wouldn’t regard the Guardian as balanced same as the daily mail and it’s counter briefing claims I’m sure the truth will out. I was just about to say the same hardly a balanced view but guess its hard for a no can do person to work with a can do person.
Did you actually read it?
Read the article in The Mail then, or the original one in The Times about her behaviour.
The Guardian just gave a neat summary of the timeline that does not appear anywhere else.
It seems hard for much of the Home Office to work with her "can do attitude" Much of it how many resigned?
You don't have to resign to find someone hard to work with.True but if you are the boss and someone cant achieve what you want you find someone who can its not rocket science.
Depends what's being demanded. Depends if it's achievable. Depends if it's one of those people who "doesn't want answers just solutions" as if denial of reality delivers a desired outcome.Exactly now you are getting it solutions not problems and you never know what is achievable unless you try.Nobody has ever achieved anything by saying its impossible.A can do attitude is what we need."Sure. It's all you need. No planning or foreseeing potential problems. No resourcing or risk management. Just do. Hilarious | |||
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"To be totally honest, he needs to man the fuck up. If I was in a job for 33 years then started sulking because I got criticised, left the job, then started proceedings to sue my ex employer I wouldn't be able to look myself in the mirror. I'd say that no matter who the alegation was against. I bet she is a real pain in the ass to work with though "aren't all women | |||
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"Racist misogyny in action. " Which is a good thing in your eyes? | |||
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"To be totally honest, he needs to man the fuck up. If I was in a job for 33 years then started sulking because I got criticised, left the job, then started proceedings to sue my ex employer I wouldn't be able to look myself in the mirror. I'd say that no matter who the alegation was against. I bet she is a real pain in the ass to work with though "No doubt! Can't imagine how hard it would have been for her to get to the position of power she now holds. She's a really great example to any woman who wants to succeed in life. | |||
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"To be totally honest, he needs to man the fuck up. If I was in a job for 33 years then started sulking because I got criticised, left the job, then started proceedings to sue my ex employer I wouldn't be able to look myself in the mirror. I'd say that no matter who the alegation was against. I bet she is a real pain in the ass to work with though
No doubt! Can't imagine how hard it would have been for her to get to the position of power she now holds. She's a really great example to any woman who wants to succeed in life. "Ah so you're pro women. Interesting. Are you conflicted by her being a woman, and also brown? Or can you overlook her skin colour because she's a conservative who also doesn't understand climate change? | |||
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"To be totally honest, he needs to man the fuck up. If I was in a job for 33 years then started sulking because I got criticised, left the job, then started proceedings to sue my ex employer I wouldn't be able to look myself in the mirror. I'd say that no matter who the alegation was against. I bet she is a real pain in the ass to work with though
No doubt! Can't imagine how hard it would have been for her to get to the position of power she now holds. She's a really great example to any woman who wants to succeed in life. "I know. Those bastard right wing Tories giving a woman of ethnic heritage such a high powered position and treating her with equality. Good job there are people about, all seem to be left wing, who are here to slate her who would prefer her not to be successful. I always say the left are the most intolerant. | |||
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"She can bully me anyday mmmmm" im with you on that there is something filthy about her reackon she would be a right handfull | |||
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"She can bully me anyday mmmmm im with you on that there is something filthy about her reackon she would be a right handfull "Add me to the list But would you feel the need to sue her after | |||
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"Let's see how his case goes before we pass judgement. I am sure everyone appearing before a tribunal thinks that their case is water tight. It may be that the defence is water tight as well . He is simply a civil servant who can be replaced. Priti Patel is the Home Secretary. She should be admired for standing up to unelected civil servants. If they do not like their role they can leave. The government were elected with a landslide majority and we want ministers such as Priti Patel who refuse to be bullied by career driven civil servants. " Yet the unelected Dominic Cummings is pulling all the strings.... | |||
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"Let’s face it ... this has the hands of Cummings all over it" Correct. He is on record as having said he wants to get rid of as many senior civil servants as possible and the weak and lazy PM will let him get his way | |||
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No doubt! Can't imagine how hard it would have been for her to get to the position of power she now holds. She's a really great example to any woman who wants to succeed in life. "She's a great role model for all who believe that being thick and nasty are all that is required to climb the greasy pole. | |||
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"She can bully me anyday mmmmm im with you on that there is something filthy about her reackon she would be a right handfull
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No doubt! Can't imagine how hard it would have been for her to get to the position of power she now holds. She's a really great example to any woman who wants to succeed in life.
She's a great role model for all who believe that being thick and nasty are all that is required to climb the greasy pole. "Yes im sure it was that, she couldn't possibly be good at her job.... | |||
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No doubt! Can't imagine how hard it would have been for her to get to the position of power she now holds. She's a really great example to any woman who wants to succeed in life.
She's a great role model for all who believe that being thick and nasty are all that is required to climb the greasy pole.
Yes im sure it was that, she couldn't possibly be good at her job...."She doesn't seem to be very good at managing people. Evidence already presented. | |||
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No doubt! Can't imagine how hard it would have been for her to get to the position of power she now holds. She's a really great example to any woman who wants to succeed in life.
She's a great role model for all who believe that being thick and nasty are all that is required to climb the greasy pole.
Yes im sure it was that, she couldn't possibly be good at her job...."So good at her previous job she was sacked. In a normal world, she would never have ever got another job in cabinet. This is a post truth world where norms no longer hold. | |||
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No doubt! Can't imagine how hard it would have been for her to get to the position of power she now holds. She's a really great example to any woman who wants to succeed in life.
She's a great role model for all who believe that being thick and nasty are all that is required to climb the greasy pole.
Yes im sure it was that, she couldn't possibly be good at her job....
So good at her previous job she was sacked. In a normal world, she would never have ever got another job in cabinet. This is a post truth world where norms no longer hold."She wasn't sacked. She resigned. | |||
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No doubt! Can't imagine how hard it would have been for her to get to the position of power she now holds. She's a really great example to any woman who wants to succeed in life.
She's a great role model for all who believe that being thick and nasty are all that is required to climb the greasy pole.
Yes im sure it was that, she couldn't possibly be good at her job....
So good at her previous job she was sacked. In a normal world, she would never have ever got another job in cabinet. This is a post truth world where norms no longer hold."So you are against a female from an ethnic background climbing the career ladder. I am sure people can come to their own conclusions on that one. | |||
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No doubt! Can't imagine how hard it would have been for her to get to the position of power she now holds. She's a really great example to any woman who wants to succeed in life.
She's a great role model for all who believe that being thick and nasty are all that is required to climb the greasy pole.
Yes im sure it was that, she couldn't possibly be good at her job....
So good at her previous job she was sacked. In a normal world, she would never have ever got another job in cabinet. This is a post truth world where norms no longer hold.
So you are against a female from an ethnic background climbing the career ladder. I am sure people can come to their own conclusions on that one."There it is
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"If the bloke had been that good at his job there wouldnt have been the leaks to the press in the 1st place its supposed to be the home office for christ sake. How do you prevent the Minister"leaking" to the press? That's rather the point here. I'm intrigued what your answer will be. You can be very creative "He is head of the home office in charge of security of the country and he cant even stop leaks from his own department after all this is what started the whole slanging match.She accused him of talking to the press and he said he didnt,well someone did and if he was on top of his game would no who. | |||
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"If the bloke had been that good at his job there wouldnt have been the leaks to the press in the 1st place its supposed to be the home office for christ sake. How do you prevent the Minister"leaking" to the press? That's rather the point here. I'm intrigued what your answer will be. You can be very creative He is head of the home office in charge of security of the country and he cant even stop leaks from his own department after all this is what started the whole slanging match.She accused him of talking to the press and he said he didnt,well someone did and if he was on top of his game would no who. "What started this was Priti Patel allegedly bullying her staff. The consequence is that this was leaked to The Times. As the press don't name sources any leak is based on any individual's willingness to risk prosecution. If they speak to the press outside working hours it's really quite difficult to prevent. When multiple people do it about the same subject them there is likely to be a problem. How would you suggest this is "prevented"? In general leaks only happen because people feel strongly about something inappropriate happening. Most "leaks" are briefings by ministers and special advisors for political gain. This practice has become significantly more frequent under the last few Conservative governments. They have set the tone. What happened to wait and see? You seem to have decided that he is incompetent and has to go. You're view changes quickly yet somehow doesn't seem to change that much | |||
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"Let's be honest, giving a ministerial job to someone that knowingly broke the ministerial code, over meetings with senior figures within a foreign government, less than 3 years ago was a mistake. In years gone by, she wouldn't have a hope of getting another big job in government. Due to the nature of our political culture however, she was rewarded and essentially given a promotion. That's before we mention her being humiliated publicly on question time and her suggesting we should use the no-deal consequences on Ireland, which could include food shortages in Ireland, as a bargaining chip to secure a better deal with the EU. Someone like that should not be anywhere near government, whatever you think about the allegations. It is, however, unprecedented that a high-ranking civil servant should speak out like this, it would be astonishing if he turned out be telling anything other than the truth. If his claims turn out to not be credible, the consequences on the civil service will be severe. They will, I assume, be far worse than they will be for the government if it turns out his claims are credible. One way or another she'll lose her job but in a few years be allowed back to serve in the cabinet. Just like she was last time, just like Liam Fox was and just like Chris Grayling has been after his repeated failures. But then again, if we elected the most incompetent of them all as prime minister, what do we expect? Do we deserve better? I'm inclined to think not." | |||
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The fact remains. Tories are more inclusive than labour. "...or good at PR. Why else would you promote a Minister sacked for misconduct? Of course, the Prime Minister was sacked twice for lying so what's good for the goose is good for the gander | |||
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"I think the left leaning media, and the labour party, really can't stand the fact that the Tories are a much more inclusive party than labour. The Times broke the bullying story. The Mail is reporting this in the same way, as is The Sun. Carry on as you are though
The fact remains. Tories are more inclusive than labour.
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Of course, the Prime Minister was sacked twice for lying so what's good for the goose is good for the gander "2 female PM's just for PR? Wow. | |||
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"If the bloke had been that good at his job there wouldnt have been the leaks to the press in the 1st place its supposed to be the home office for christ sake. How do you prevent the Minister"leaking" to the press? That's rather the point here. I'm intrigued what your answer will be. You can be very creative He is head of the home office in charge of security of the country and he cant even stop leaks from his own department after all this is what started the whole slanging match.She accused him of talking to the press and he said he didnt,well someone did and if he was on top of his game would no who.
What started this was Priti Patel allegedly bullying her staff.
The consequence is that this was leaked to The Times.
As the press don't name sources any leak is based on any individual's willingness to risk prosecution.
If they speak to the press outside working hours it's really quite difficult to prevent. When multiple people do it about the same subject them there is likely to be a problem.
How would you suggest this is "prevented"?
In general leaks only happen because people feel strongly about something inappropriate happening.
Most "leaks" are briefings by ministers and special advisors for political gain. This practice has become significantly more frequent under the last few Conservative governments. They have set the tone.
What happened to wait and see? You seem to have decided that he is incompetent and has to go.
You're view changes quickly yet somehow doesn't seem to change that much "No my view on wait and see has not changed at all he said he didnt talk to the press but someone has lets wait and see. | |||
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The fact remains. Tories are more inclusive than labour.
...or good at PR. Why else would you promote a Minister sacked for misconduct?
Of course, the Prime Minister was sacked twice for lying so what's good for the goose is good for the gander
2 female PM's just for PR? Wow. "They were elected because they were women? The Labour hasn't elected a female leader because they are women? Bit of a stretch eh? | |||
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"I think the left leaning media, and the labour party, really can't stand the fact that the Tories are a much more inclusive party than labour. " Always have been and always will be more inclusive than labour. 2 women PMs, the cabinet with lots of women , people with a Jewish heritage background , Muslims , Hindus , Buddhists etc etc | |||
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"I think the left leaning media, and the labour party, really can't stand the fact that the Tories are a much more inclusive party than labour. Always have been and always will be more inclusive than labour. 2 women PMs, the cabinet with lots of women , people with a Jewish heritage background , Muslims , Hindus , Buddhists etc etc" He would prefer french ,german, dutch ,italian etc. | |||
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No doubt! Can't imagine how hard it would have been for her to get to the position of power she now holds. She's a really great example to any woman who wants to succeed in life.
She's a great role model for all who believe that being thick and nasty are all that is required to climb the greasy pole.
Yes im sure it was that, she couldn't possibly be good at her job....
So good at her previous job she was sacked. In a normal world, she would never have ever got another job in cabinet. This is a post truth world where norms no longer hold.
So you are against a female from an ethnic background climbing the career ladder. I am sure people can come to their own conclusions on that one.
There it is
What has her ethnic background or gender got to do with if she bullies people and briefs against her own staff?
Please provide examples."For me her gender and background has nothing to do with it, it is her ability. Infortunately, left thinking people have a real issue with women in power or people from an ethic back ground. They only like the privledged middle aged white male. There is no getting away from that. | |||
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"I think the left leaning media, and the labour party, really can't stand the fact that the Tories are a much more inclusive party than labour. Always have been and always will be more inclusive than labour. 2 women PMs, the cabinet with lots of women , people with a Jewish heritage background , Muslims , Hindus , Buddhists etc etc" For 2019: Labour and the LibDems have more than 50% of their MPs as female. The Conservative party is under 25%. Labour has 20% ethnic minority representation. 6% for the Conservative party. You are just plain wrong except for LGBT where the Conservative party has the largest absolute number, although proportionally they are lower. Have fun with that | |||
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No doubt! Can't imagine how hard it would have been for her to get to the position of power she now holds. She's a really great example to any woman who wants to succeed in life.
She's a great role model for all who believe that being thick and nasty are all that is required to climb the greasy pole.
Yes im sure it was that, she couldn't possibly be good at her job....
So good at her previous job she was sacked. In a normal world, she would never have ever got another job in cabinet. This is a post truth world where norms no longer hold.
So you are against a female from an ethnic background climbing the career ladder. I am sure people can come to their own conclusions on that one.
There it is
What has her ethnic background or gender got to do with if she bullies people and briefs against her own staff?
Please provide examples.
For me her gender and background has nothing to do with it, it is her ability. Infortunately, left thinking people have a real issue with women in power or people from an ethic back ground. They only like the privledged middle aged white male. There is no getting away from that."Her ability with respect to having already been removed from office for inappropriate behaviour and what appear to be systemic allegations of bullying, briefing against a senior civil servant and then lying about it? Righto | |||
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"I think the left leaning media, and the labour party, really can't stand the fact that the Tories are a much more inclusive party than labour. Always have been and always will be more inclusive than labour. 2 women PMs, the cabinet with lots of women , people with a Jewish heritage background , Muslims , Hindus , Buddhists etc etc" ******************** Spot on, in my opinion. Thank you. Eva | |||
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"Once again you are plain wrong. Probably because you have problem reading . Don’t you. Something you frequently admit to in here and have to grovel for. I said in the Cabinet. Duh." Why are you constantly so insufferably rude? Just an observation but you and your cronies seem to think that if you behave like public school bullies then you are winning the argument. Very disappointing behaviour in grown men | |||
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"Why are u constantly calling people names ,? Do you have some sort of mental problem. ?. Maybe debate more instead of constantly bringing people down" You are the one slagging people off most of the time and all I am asking is that maybe you could debate more and resist the personal attacks which as is so evident detracts from the dabate.  | |||
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"Once again you are plain wrong. Probably because you have problem reading . Don’t you. Something you frequently admit to in here and have to grovel for. I said in the Cabinet. Duh." Actually, the context was about party. "...the Tories are a much more inclusive party than labour. Always have been and always will be more inclusive than labour..." Saying that a very narrow subset of the Conservative party (Cabinet) is more inclusive is quite disengenuous. | |||
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"Unfortunately society is awash with people whose only resort is to be abusive, calling people names . Really pig headed of them
Yes it must be tough being you "Except it was you who called someone pig headed. Wasn’t it?Remember?. Proud of yourself ? | |||
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"Unsurprisingly, the usual suspects are missing the point. She's incompetent and not intelligent enough to do the job. No reason she shouldn't have been given the opportunity - she's no more of a liar or charlatan than the rest of the cabinet - but she really is unfit for high office; which will become more and more apparent until she finally resigns. And by resign, I mean told to come to Number 10 and made to understand she has no choice in the matter. Just like she had to last time." On what assumption do you make her not intelligent enough to do the job? | |||
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"Unsurprisingly, the usual suspects are missing the point. She's incompetent and not intelligent enough to do the job. No reason she shouldn't have been given the opportunity - she's no more of a liar or charlatan than the rest of the cabinet - but she really is unfit for high office; which will become more and more apparent until she finally resigns. And by resign, I mean told to come to Number 10 and made to understand she has no choice in the matter. Just like she had to last time.On what assumption do you make her not intelligent enough to do the job? " Why was she forced to resign from her last ministerial role ? | |||
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"Unsurprisingly, the usual suspects are missing the point. She's incompetent and not intelligent enough to do the job. No reason she shouldn't have been given the opportunity - she's no more of a liar or charlatan than the rest of the cabinet - but she really is unfit for high office; which will become more and more apparent until she finally resigns. And by resign, I mean told to come to Number 10 and made to understand she has no choice in the matter. Just like she had to last time.On what assumption do you make her not intelligent enough to do the job? Why was she forced to resign from her last ministerial role ? " What has that to do with it? what is the level of intelligence needed what is her level? now if someone can give me the facts on this i will accept the comment if not i will just take it as someone spouting some crap because they dont like her. | |||
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"Unsurprisingly, the usual suspects are missing the point. She's incompetent and not intelligent enough to do the job. No reason she shouldn't have been given the opportunity - she's no more of a liar or charlatan than the rest of the cabinet - but she really is unfit for high office; which will become more and more apparent until she finally resigns. And by resign, I mean told to come to Number 10 and made to understand she has no choice in the matter. Just like she had to last time.On what assumption do you make her not intelligent enough to do the job? Why was she forced to resign from her last ministerial role ? What has that to do with it? what is the level of intelligence needed what is her level? now if someone can give me the facts on this i will accept the comment if not i will just take it as someone spouting some crap because they dont like her." Did you find out the reasons why she was forced to resign? | |||
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"Unsurprisingly, the usual suspects are missing the point. She's incompetent and not intelligent enough to do the job. No reason she shouldn't have been given the opportunity - she's no more of a liar or charlatan than the rest of the cabinet - but she really is unfit for high office; which will become more and more apparent until she finally resigns. And by resign, I mean told to come to Number 10 and made to understand she has no choice in the matter. Just like she had to last time.On what assumption do you make her not intelligent enough to do the job? Why was she forced to resign from her last ministerial role ? What has that to do with it? what is the level of intelligence needed what is her level? now if someone can give me the facts on this i will accept the comment if not i will just take it as someone spouting some crap because they dont like her." She's pro-Israel... so.... you know, not gonna sit well with some quarters... | |||
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"Unsurprisingly, the usual suspects are missing the point. She's incompetent and not intelligent enough to do the job. No reason she shouldn't have been given the opportunity - she's no more of a liar or charlatan than the rest of the cabinet - but she really is unfit for high office; which will become more and more apparent until she finally resigns. And by resign, I mean told to come to Number 10 and made to understand she has no choice in the matter. Just like she had to last time.On what assumption do you make her not intelligent enough to do the job? Why was she forced to resign from her last ministerial role ? What has that to do with it? what is the level of intelligence needed what is her level? now if someone can give me the facts on this i will accept the comment if not i will just take it as someone spouting some crap because they dont like her. She's pro-Israel... so.... you know, not gonna sit well with some quarters..." Yes she is, maybe you know why she was forced to resign from her last ministerial post? | |||
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"Unsurprisingly, the usual suspects are missing the point. She's incompetent and not intelligent enough to do the job. No reason she shouldn't have been given the opportunity - she's no more of a liar or charlatan than the rest of the cabinet - but she really is unfit for high office; which will become more and more apparent until she finally resigns. And by resign, I mean told to come to Number 10 and made to understand she has no choice in the matter. Just like she had to last time.On what assumption do you make her not intelligent enough to do the job? Why was she forced to resign from her last ministerial role ? What has that to do with it? what is the level of intelligence needed what is her level? now if someone can give me the facts on this i will accept the comment if not i will just take it as someone spouting some crap because they dont like her. Did you find out the reasons why she was forced to resign? " I know the reason not got anything to do with this thread why you trying to deflect from the question? | |||
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"Unsurprisingly, the usual suspects are missing the point. She's incompetent and not intelligent enough to do the job. No reason she shouldn't have been given the opportunity - she's no more of a liar or charlatan than the rest of the cabinet - but she really is unfit for high office; which will become more and more apparent until she finally resigns. And by resign, I mean told to come to Number 10 and made to understand she has no choice in the matter. Just like she had to last time.On what assumption do you make her not intelligent enough to do the job? Why was she forced to resign from her last ministerial role ? What has that to do with it? what is the level of intelligence needed what is her level? now if someone can give me the facts on this i will accept the comment if not i will just take it as someone spouting some crap because they dont like her. Did you find out the reasons why she was forced to resign? I know the reason not got anything to do with this thread why you trying to deflect from the question?" She was forced to resign because she failed to disclose meetings she had in Israel to the foreign office M. Why did you think she did this? Why wasn’t she aware of the ‘ministerial code of conduct’ ? Why did the Prime Minister force her to resign. If you can answer those questions then It will answer yours | |||
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"Priti Patel.... just think, we could have had Diane Abbott... "How? | |||
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"On what assumption do you make her not intelligent enough to do the job?" Firstly, I notice you didn't question my "assumption" that she's incompetent. You deserve credit for that, I suppose. As for not being intelligent enough, that's not an assumption either. She isn't. Intelligent people don't shout and scream at their employees - especially if they're trying to get the best out of them. Intelligent people ask for advice from more experienced staff before making decisions; rather than calling them "fucking useless" when they don't carry out instructions that aren't possible. She is the embodiment of the Dunning–Kruger effect. As are many of the contributors in this forum. | |||
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"To be totally honest, he needs to man the fuck up. If I was in a job for 33 years then started sulking because I got criticised, left the job, then started proceedings to sue my ex employer I wouldn't be able to look myself in the mirror. I'd say that no matter who the alegation was against. I bet she is a real pain in the ass to work with though
No doubt! Can't imagine how hard it would have been for her to get to the position of power she now holds. She's a really great example to any woman who wants to succeed in life.
She's a great role model for all who believe that being thick and nasty are all that is required to climb the greasy pole.
Yes im sure it was that, she couldn't possibly be good at her job....
So good at her previous job she was sacked. In a normal world, she would never have ever got another job in cabinet. This is a post truth world where norms no longer hold.
She wasn't sacked. She resigned. "She was forced to resign...so she was, in effect, sacked. | |||
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No doubt! Can't imagine how hard it would have been for her to get to the position of power she now holds. She's a really great example to any woman who wants to succeed in life.
She's a great role model for all who believe that being thick and nasty are all that is required to climb the greasy pole.
Yes im sure it was that, she couldn't possibly be good at her job....
So good at her previous job she was sacked. In a normal world, she would never have ever got another job in cabinet. This is a post truth world where norms no longer hold.
So you are against a female from an ethnic background climbing the career ladder. I am sure people can come to their own conclusions on that one."What a fatuous comment. I am against bullies and morons climbing the greasy pole regardless of their gender or ethnicity. I'm sure people can draw their own conclusions from your less than stellar analysis | |||
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"I think the left leaning media, and the labour party, really can't stand the fact that the Tories are a much more inclusive party than labour. The Times broke the bullying story. The Mail is reporting this in the same way, as is The Sun. Carry on as you are though
The fact remains. Tories are more inclusive than labour. "Rubbish. There are more MPs from ethnic minorities in the Labour Party (41) than in the Tory Party (22). There are more women MPs representing Labour than represent the Tories. In fact more than 50% of all Labour Mps are women. How does that make the Tories more inclusive? | |||
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"I think the left leaning media, and the labour party, really can't stand the fact that the Tories are a much more inclusive party than labour. Always have been and always will be more inclusive than labour. 2 women PMs, the cabinet with lots of women , people with a Jewish heritage background , Muslims , Hindus , Buddhists etc etc" Don't let the facts get in the way of your prejudice whatever you do | |||
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"A former aide received a £25,000 payout from the government after claiming she was bullied by Priti Patel in 2015. She has previous, her days are numbered, gone within 2 weeks " Hopefully. She's arrogant and incompetent. Then again, this government might manage to replace her with somebody even worse. | |||
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"A former aide received a £25,000 payout from the government after claiming she was bullied by Priti Patel in 2015. She has previous, her days are numbered, gone within 2 weeks Hopefully. She's arrogant and incompetent. Then again, this government might manage to replace her with somebody even worse. " She may survive in post. The good news is that this row has neutered her. She's going to have to treat people who know better than she does with respect. Perhaps she may find that it's easier than she thought; and a more effective way to do her job? I suppose we'll find out. Eventually. | |||
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"What experience or skills does Ms Patel have for this major role? " She worked in Conservative Central Office for several years. Then she worked in PR and lobbying for tobacco and alcohol companies. She has schmoozed so is good with peers and superiors. She has not managed people. That seems to show. One of very few rules of management is not publicly chastising anyone in your team. It's done in private. If you are in charge then it's publicly your failure. It would be interesting to see what those junior to her before politics thought about her. We may find out. | |||
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"Priti Patel.... just think, we could have had Diane Abbott... "Or Dawn Butler. Two marrowfat peas in a pod right there. I wonder if JC ever woke up at Dawn? | |||
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Or Dawn Butler. Two marrowfat peas in a pod right there.
I wonder if JC ever woke up at Dawn?"Ah it was only a matter of time before you mentioned Corbyn again. He's always in your head, isn't he? That's why you mention him wherever you can. The obsession never fades... At least you've finally realised your secret lust for the bearded sex symbol. You crave the feel of that stubble against your most intimate areas, don't you? | |||
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Maybe he doesn't like being told by a woman and a black one at that to do what he is told after all his job is to ADVISE not decide policy. As far as I know the truth had yet to be decided, I bet he Hope's the media outcry will force her out so he can then take the payoff so his claims aren't examined "Rarely have I seen the race card and the sex card played so quickly in a discussion. Well done on that achievement
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Maybe he doesn't like being told by a woman and a black one at that to do what he is told after all his job is to ADVISE not decide policy. As far as I know the truth had yet to be decided, I bet he Hope's the media outcry will force her out so he can then take the payoff so his claims aren't examined "The role of Heads of Departments is to get the best out of the assets that you have. There are good reasons why it is now illegal for new employers to fire (or constructively dismiss) old employees when they take over a Company. Employees are people- not machines and it is quite right that people are treated fairly and humanely and accepting that not everyone can or will work 80 hours a week for “the cause.” | |||
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"Is there strikes and out still a political"thing"? Patel has run three government departments and been called out for bullying in all of them. That would appear to be a trend. Maybe she just thinks as the minister she is in charge and wont take a load of bull from employees who think they are in charge. Hmmm maybe it is the fault of the bullied for getting bullied.
Maybe he doesn't like being told by a woman and a black one at that to do what he is told after all his job is to ADVISE not decide policy. As far as I know the truth had yet to be decided, I bet he Hope's the media outcry will force her out so he can then take the payoff so his claims aren't examined
Rarely have I seen the race card and the sex card played so quickly in a discussion. Well done on that achievement
So I guess all the accounts of nasty behaviour by Patel are lies? Or they're all driven by racism and sexism? "Did I say any of it was lies or true I said no one knows the truth YET. | |||
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Maybe he doesn't like being told by a woman and a black one at that to do what he is told after all his job is to ADVISE not decide policy. As far as I know the truth had yet to be decided, I bet he Hope's the media outcry will force her out so he can then take the payoff so his claims aren't examined
Rarely have I seen the race card and the sex card played so quickly in a discussion. Well done on that achievement
So I guess all the accounts of nasty behaviour by Patel are lies? Or they're all driven by racism and sexism?
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Maybe he doesn't like being told by a woman and a black one at that to do what he is told after all his job is to ADVISE not decide policy. As far as I know the truth had yet to be decided, I bet he Hope's the media outcry will force her out so he can then take the payoff so his claims aren't examined
Rarely have I seen the race card and the sex card played so quickly in a discussion. Well done on that achievement
So I guess all the accounts of nasty behaviour by Patel are lies? Or they're all driven by racism and sexism?
Did I say any of it was lies or true I said no one knows the truth YET.
I'm not even sure you know what you're saying at this point. "It's pretty simple so let me explain it. He claims he was bullied, she says he wasnt. No one as yet knows which side is closer to the truth. | |||
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Maybe he doesn't like being told by a woman and a black one at that to do what he is told after all his job is to ADVISE not decide policy. As far as I know the truth had yet to be decided, I bet he Hope's the media outcry will force her out so he can then take the payoff so his claims aren't examined "It's not one person though. It is several people in several departments. That is a trend. | |||
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"Is there strikes and out still a political"thing"? Patel has run three government departments and been called out for bullying in all of them. That would appear to be a trend. Maybe she just thinks as the minister she is in charge and wont take a load of bull from employees who think they are in charge. Hmmm maybe it is the fault of the bullied for getting bullied.
Maybe he doesn't like being told by a woman and a black one at that to do what he is told after all his job is to ADVISE not decide policy. As far as I know the truth had yet to be decided, I bet he Hope's the media outcry will force her out so he can then take the payoff so his claims aren't examined
Rarely have I seen the race card and the sex card played so quickly in a discussion. Well done on that achievement
So I guess all the accounts of nasty behaviour by Patel are lies? Or they're all driven by racism and sexism?
Did I say any of it was lies or true I said no one knows the truth YET.
I'm not even sure you know what you're saying at this point.
It's pretty simple so let me explain it.
He claims he was bullied, she says he wasnt. No one as yet knows which side is closer to the truth. "Other than below the radar chatter that indicates she has some form in this kind of thing. There is no chance that this would have got as far as it has, had there not been smoke from previous fires. We know from the way that politics and the media works that there is much more to this story than last weeks resignation. The issue for Johnson now is whether he allows the tribunal to go ahead and air all of the dirty laundry or he fires Patel and pays off the Covil Servant to avoid undue scrutiny of Patel and subsequently the Government. | |||
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" It's not one person though. It is several people in several departments. That is a trend." ******************** Or a conspiracy, maybe....? Or subordinate incompetence, perhaps..? Just my unbiased opinion, as always. Eva | |||
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" It's not one person though. It is several people in several departments. That is a trend. ******************** Or a conspiracy, maybe....? Or subordinate incompetence, perhaps..? Just my unbiased opinion, as always. Eva A conspiracy by the entire civil service in various departments against one person? "Incompetence" by the civil service in doing what? Only in the departments she happens to be running. Who would take the time and effort to orchestrate this Machiavellian plot and to what dire purpose? "******************* I was merely stating other possibilities instead of leaping to an 'inevitable biased conclusion' How do YOU know what really went on? I certainly don't. We have a judicial system which goes along the lines of 'innocent until proven guilty' All I shall say on this matter but, no doubt, some folk have to have the last word. Off you go, then. I'm out on a 2 mile run now. Good evening. Eva. | |||
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"Seems she is the victim. Possibly, no one on here knows. If she killed herself, you can just imagine the claims of "nothing to do with us!" From the press and civil service! Flack all over again... they do not learn once they smell blood. Actually, it was her subordinate who tried to commit suicide and was paid off... Is this the subordinate who was only in post for two weeks of Pritis tenure? As per Telegraph? The Telegraph is reporting what "allies of Preti Patel" have said. There is no other indication of this. Correct?" So we in essence we don’t really now the whole truth at the moment one says this the others say that. Let’s see what the enquiry brings up. My guess is she will stay in post. | |||
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" It's not one person though. It is several people in several departments. That is a trend. ******************** Or a conspiracy, maybe....? Or subordinate incompetence, perhaps..? Just my unbiased opinion, as always. Eva A conspiracy by the entire civil service in various departments against one person? "Incompetence" by the civil service in doing what? Only in the departments she happens to be running. Who would take the time and effort to orchestrate this Machiavellian plot and to what dire purpose?
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I was merely stating other possibilities instead of leaping to an 'inevitable biased conclusion'
How do YOU know what really went on?
I certainly don't.
We have a judicial system which goes along the lines of 'innocent until proven guilty'
All I shall say on this matter but, no doubt, some folk have to have the last word.
Off you go, then.
I'm out on a 2 mile run now.
Good evening.
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