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"Typical of the EU. Bunch of absolute cunts. " Well done the EU show the British government you are not a push over if they want a deal it's your rules. | |||
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"so what are the eu frightened of? the Canada deal or japenese deal doesn't involve them being subject to the ecj or for them to follow eu rules why are they so keen for the uk to?" Geography is the answer you are looking for. The U.K. can play as hardball as Johnson wants but the reality of market size is always the deciding factor in all negotiations. The bigger player calls the shots and the U.K. will never be treated as an equal by the EU, or by the United States for that matter. Reality will ultimately trump all of this jingoistic nonsense. Who really cares anyway if we follow EU regulations as long as there is an economic upside to it? This isn’t a dick waving competition. | |||
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"The uk has not left the eu to carry on taking their rules with no say in them.If the eu insist that we do i can see the uk leaving with no deal.It would be political suicide to subject the uk to eu rules and boris knows this as do the eu.The main reason they are trying to tie us to their rules is so others in the eu dont follow suit its as simple as that.I dont wish the eu any ill will but at the moment with all the infighting over budget contributions and the contraction of eu as a whole it is playing into the uk,s hands." Big EU budget summit end of this week. Many of the contributing countries are on a collision course with those that don't contribute. Going to be interesting to see how it all plays out. | |||
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"so what are the eu frightened of? the Canada deal or japenese deal doesn't involve them being subject to the ecj or for them to follow eu rules why are they so keen for the uk to? Geography is the answer you are looking for. The U.K. can play as hardball as Johnson wants but the reality of market size is always the deciding factor in all negotiations. The bigger player calls the shots and the U.K. will never be treated as an equal by the EU, or by the United States for that matter. Reality will ultimately trump all of this jingoistic nonsense. Who really cares anyway if we follow EU regulations as long as there is an economic upside to it? This isn’t a dick waving competition. " I think for many Brexit was just a big dick waving competition | |||
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"The uk has not left the eu to carry on taking their rules with no say in them.If the eu insist that we do i can see the uk leaving with no deal.It would be political suicide to subject the uk to eu rules and boris knows this as do the eu.The main reason they are trying to tie us to their rules is so others in the eu dont follow suit its as simple as that.I dont wish the eu any ill will but at the moment with all the infighting over budget contributions and the contraction of eu as a whole it is playing into the uk,s hands." So would it be political suicide to subject the U.K. to US rules and standards? | |||
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"The uk has not left the eu to carry on taking their rules with no say in them.If the eu insist that we do i can see the uk leaving with no deal.It would be political suicide to subject the uk to eu rules and boris knows this as do the eu.The main reason they are trying to tie us to their rules is so others in the eu dont follow suit its as simple as that.I dont wish the eu any ill will but at the moment with all the infighting over budget contributions and the contraction of eu as a whole it is playing into the uk,s hands. So would it be political suicide to subject the U.K. to US rules and standards?" When you do trade deals it is what it says a trade deal nothing more, of course you have to adhere to standards thats normal but not to sign up to rules and alignment and to be under the jurisdiction of the ecj.Other countries do not demand this and the eu does not demand it of any other trading partner. | |||
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"The uk has not left the eu to carry on taking their rules with no say in them.If the eu insist that we do i can see the uk leaving with no deal.It would be political suicide to subject the uk to eu rules and boris knows this as do the eu.The main reason they are trying to tie us to their rules is so others in the eu dont follow suit its as simple as that.I dont wish the eu any ill will but at the moment with all the infighting over budget contributions and the contraction of eu as a whole it is playing into the uk,s hands. So would it be political suicide to subject the U.K. to US rules and standards?When you do trade deals it is what it says a trade deal nothing more, of course you have to adhere to standards thats normal but not to sign up to rules and alignment and to be under the jurisdiction of the ecj.Other countries do not demand this and the eu does not demand it of any other trading partner." It's a negotiation. Because we have been drawing "red lines" from day one the EU will also start from an aggressive stance. As I stated, there will be a compromise bit it will sit in the EU favour as if we wish to sell into the market of our large, wealthy nextdoor neighbour we will trade to their standards. We will not spite ourselves over mutually beneficial industries such as cars and planes and we will sacrifice tiny industries like fishing for lucrative ones like finance. Anything else is illogical. We will pay for an arbitration process for disagreements which is no different to the ECJ. It will just have a different name and it will be less transparent. How does your view on the outcome differ? | |||
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"The uk has not left the eu to carry on taking their rules with no say in them.If the eu insist that we do i can see the uk leaving with no deal.It would be political suicide to subject the uk to eu rules and boris knows this as do the eu.The main reason they are trying to tie us to their rules is so others in the eu dont follow suit its as simple as that.I dont wish the eu any ill will but at the moment with all the infighting over budget contributions and the contraction of eu as a whole it is playing into the uk,s hands. So would it be political suicide to subject the U.K. to US rules and standards?When you do trade deals it is what it says a trade deal nothing more, of course you have to adhere to standards thats normal but not to sign up to rules and alignment and to be under the jurisdiction of the ecj.Other countries do not demand this and the eu does not demand it of any other trading partner. It's a negotiation. Because we have been drawing "red lines" from day one the EU will also start from an aggressive stance. As I stated, there will be a compromise bit it will sit in the EU favour as if we wish to sell into the market of our large, wealthy nextdoor neighbour we will trade to their standards. We will not spite ourselves over mutually beneficial industries such as cars and planes and we will sacrifice tiny industries like fishing for lucrative ones like finance. Anything else is illogical. We will pay for an arbitration process for disagreements which is no different to the ECJ. It will just have a different name and it will be less transparent. How does your view on the outcome differ?" Personally i think we will go for a no deal and tariffs. | |||
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"The uk has not left the eu to carry on taking their rules with no say in them.If the eu insist that we do i can see the uk leaving with no deal.It would be political suicide to subject the uk to eu rules and boris knows this as do the eu.The main reason they are trying to tie us to their rules is so others in the eu dont follow suit its as simple as that.I dont wish the eu any ill will but at the moment with all the infighting over budget contributions and the contraction of eu as a whole it is playing into the uk,s hands. So would it be political suicide to subject the U.K. to US rules and standards?When you do trade deals it is what it says a trade deal nothing more, of course you have to adhere to standards thats normal but not to sign up to rules and alignment and to be under the jurisdiction of the ecj.Other countries do not demand this and the eu does not demand it of any other trading partner. It's a negotiation. Because we have been drawing "red lines" from day one the EU will also start from an aggressive stance. As I stated, there will be a compromise bit it will sit in the EU favour as if we wish to sell into the market of our large, wealthy nextdoor neighbour we will trade to their standards. We will not spite ourselves over mutually beneficial industries such as cars and planes and we will sacrifice tiny industries like fishing for lucrative ones like finance. Anything else is illogical. We will pay for an arbitration process for disagreements which is no different to the ECJ. It will just have a different name and it will be less transparent. How does your view on the outcome differ?" Why is it so hard for you to understand that any company has to adhere to the standards of any country and company it sells to it has always been the case and always will be, the difference now is the EU want to dictate how we work, for how long, how our government helps firms and everything else we do, do, have they done this with any other trade deals ? NO.this is NOT about specifications | |||
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"The uk has not left the eu to carry on taking their rules with no say in them.If the eu insist that we do i can see the uk leaving with no deal.It would be political suicide to subject the uk to eu rules and boris knows this as do the eu.The main reason they are trying to tie us to their rules is so others in the eu dont follow suit its as simple as that.I dont wish the eu any ill will but at the moment with all the infighting over budget contributions and the contraction of eu as a whole it is playing into the uk,s hands. So would it be political suicide to subject the U.K. to US rules and standards?When you do trade deals it is what it says a trade deal nothing more, of course you have to adhere to standards thats normal but not to sign up to rules and alignment and to be under the jurisdiction of the ecj.Other countries do not demand this and the eu does not demand it of any other trading partner. It's a negotiation. Because we have been drawing "red lines" from day one the EU will also start from an aggressive stance. As I stated, there will be a compromise bit it will sit in the EU favour as if we wish to sell into the market of our large, wealthy nextdoor neighbour we will trade to their standards. We will not spite ourselves over mutually beneficial industries such as cars and planes and we will sacrifice tiny industries like fishing for lucrative ones like finance. Anything else is illogical. We will pay for an arbitration process for disagreements which is no different to the ECJ. It will just have a different name and it will be less transparent. How does your view on the outcome differ? Why is it so hard for you to understand that any company has to adhere to the standards of any country and company it sells to it has always been the case and always will be, the difference now is the EU want to dictate how we work, for how long, how our government helps firms and everything else we do, do, have they done this with any other trade deals ? NO.this is NOT about specifications " It isn't hard at all. I have said as much. Did you not notice? The UK has decided to publicly declare red lines the EU have simply done the same. They don't actually expect us to do anything to the extent they are suggesting. Surely that's obvious? The EU just does not trust us to keep our word. I doubt that anyone does anymore so they want something in writing. Most trade negotiations are conducted between closed doors allowing compromise. We have chosen to negotiate in public for domestic political reasons which means the opportunity for compromise and agreement become limited. It's very silly. | |||
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"The uk has not left the eu to carry on taking their rules with no say in them.If the eu insist that we do i can see the uk leaving with no deal.It would be political suicide to subject the uk to eu rules and boris knows this as do the eu.The main reason they are trying to tie us to their rules is so others in the eu dont follow suit its as simple as that.I dont wish the eu any ill will but at the moment with all the infighting over budget contributions and the contraction of eu as a whole it is playing into the uk,s hands." So why did Johnson sign up to his own version of the political declaration document, in which Mr Johnson agreed to pursue a future relationship ensuring "open and fair competition, encompassing robust commitments to ensure a level playing field". If he had no intention of doing any such thing, why have it in the document in the first place? Well unless he had no intention of adhering to it, out had it in there just to give himself an easier ride with his own back benches. I suppose given his history of lying and deceit that is probably why huh? | |||
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"The uk has not left the eu to carry on taking their rules with no say in them.If the eu insist that we do i can see the uk leaving with no deal.It would be political suicide to subject the uk to eu rules and boris knows this as do the eu.The main reason they are trying to tie us to their rules is so others in the eu dont follow suit its as simple as that.I dont wish the eu any ill will but at the moment with all the infighting over budget contributions and the contraction of eu as a whole it is playing into the uk,s hands. So would it be political suicide to subject the U.K. to US rules and standards?When you do trade deals it is what it says a trade deal nothing more, of course you have to adhere to standards thats normal but not to sign up to rules and alignment and to be under the jurisdiction of the ecj.Other countries do not demand this and the eu does not demand it of any other trading partner. It's a negotiation. Because we have been drawing "red lines" from day one the EU will also start from an aggressive stance. As I stated, there will be a compromise bit it will sit in the EU favour as if we wish to sell into the market of our large, wealthy nextdoor neighbour we will trade to their standards. We will not spite ourselves over mutually beneficial industries such as cars and planes and we will sacrifice tiny industries like fishing for lucrative ones like finance. Anything else is illogical. We will pay for an arbitration process for disagreements which is no different to the ECJ. It will just have a different name and it will be less transparent. How does your view on the outcome differ? Why is it so hard for you to understand that any company has to adhere to the standards of any country and company it sells to it has always been the case and always will be, the difference now is the EU want to dictate how we work, for how long, how our government helps firms and everything else we do, do, have they done this with any other trade deals ? NO.this is NOT about specifications It isn't hard at all. I have said as much. Did you not notice? The UK has decided to publicly declare red lines the EU have simply done the same. They don't actually expect us to do anything to the extent they are suggesting. Surely that's obvious? The EU just does not trust us to keep our word. I doubt that anyone does anymore so they want something in writing. Most trade negotiations are conducted between closed doors allowing compromise. We have chosen to negotiate in public for domestic political reasons which means the opportunity for compromise and agreement become limited. It's very silly." What its silly for a country wanting to make its own rules and not be a rule taker from another power just like every other sovereign country in the world? | |||
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" It's very silly.What its silly for a country wanting to make its own rules and not be a rule taker from another power just like every other sovereign country in the world? " I'm curious Costa - what did you expect was going to happen? | |||
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" It's very silly.What its silly for a country wanting to make its own rules and not be a rule taker from another power just like every other sovereign country in the world? I'm curious Costa - what did you expect was going to happen? In what context? more to the point did the eu think for one minute that the people of the uk voted to leave and then would be happy to be under their dictatorship? " | |||
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"In what context? more to the point did the eu think for one minute that the people of the uk voted to leave and then would be happy to be under their dictatorship? "What I mean is, back in June 2016 before you cast your vote to leave, how did you see the process of leaving the EU panning out in the event your side won? And what was it that led you to those conclusions? | |||
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"In what context? more to the point did the eu think for one minute that the people of the uk voted to leave and then would be happy to be under their dictatorship?
What I mean is, back in June 2016 before you cast your vote to leave, how did you see the process of leaving the EU panning out in the event your side won?
And what was it that led you to those conclusions?"I saw that leaving the eu we could take back control of the uk where you could change the lawmakers every 5 years if you did not like them.Uk courts for the uk and most of all stop paying all those brussels bureaucrats lording it up on tax payers money.Its working out well so far. | |||
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"In what context? more to the point did the eu think for one minute that the people of the uk voted to leave and then would be happy to be under their dictatorship?
What I mean is, back in June 2016 before you cast your vote to leave, how did you see the process of leaving the EU panning out in the event your side won?
And what was it that led you to those conclusions?I saw that leaving the eu we could take back control of the uk where you could change the lawmakers every 5 years if you did not like them.Uk courts for the uk and most of all stop paying all those brussels bureaucrats lording it up on tax payers money.Its working out well so far. "Is it? Why ? What has changed? | |||
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"The uk has not left the eu to carry on taking their rules with no say in them.If the eu insist that we do i can see the uk leaving with no deal.It would be political suicide to subject the uk to eu rules and boris knows this as do the eu.The main reason they are trying to tie us to their rules is so others in the eu dont follow suit its as simple as that.I dont wish the eu any ill will but at the moment with all the infighting over budget contributions and the contraction of eu as a whole it is playing into the uk,s hands. So would it be political suicide to subject the U.K. to US rules and standards?When you do trade deals it is what it says a trade deal nothing more, of course you have to adhere to standards thats normal but not to sign up to rules and alignment and to be under the jurisdiction of the ecj.Other countries do not demand this and the eu does not demand it of any other trading partner. It's a negotiation. Because we have been drawing "red lines" from day one the EU will also start from an aggressive stance. As I stated, there will be a compromise but it will sit in the EU favour as if we wish to sell into the market of our large, wealthy nextdoor neighbour we will trade to their standards. We will not spite ourselves over mutually beneficial industries such as cars and planes and we will sacrifice tiny industries like fishing for lucrative ones like finance. Anything else is illogical. We will pay for an arbitration process for disagreements which is no different to the ECJ. It will just have a different name and it will be less transparent. How does your view on the outcome differ? Why is it so hard for you to understand that any company has to adhere to the standards of any country and company it sells to it has always been the case and always will be, the difference now is the EU want to dictate how we work, for how long, how our government helps firms and everything else we do, do, have they done this with any other trade deals ? NO.this is NOT about specifications It isn't hard at all. I have said as much. Did you not notice? The UK has decided to publicly declare red lines the EU have simply done the same. They don't actually expect us to do anything to the extent they are suggesting. Surely that's obvious? The EU just does not trust us to keep our word. I doubt that anyone does anymore so they want something in writing. Most trade negotiations are conducted between closed doors allowing compromise. We have chosen to negotiate in public for domestic political reasons which means the opportunity for compromise and agreement become limited. It's very silly. What its silly for a country wanting to make its own rules and not be a rule taker from another power just like every other sovereign country in the world? " What is is silly is playing short-term politics at home by making jingoistic soundbites whilst trying negotiate a trade deal that will have a permanent impact on the future prosperity of the UK. Perhaps even determine if it continues to exist. I was addressing the negotiation. You don't ever really seem to read other people's words. You just seem to read what you want them to say. We will be a rule taker because we will manufacture or trade on whatever basis the EU says that we should to have access to their market. Just like the USA or China. That is a fact. Again, you cannot actually point to anything in the main body of what I have written that does not make logical sense. You have decided to discuss something completely separate. Even the point that you have made is not a sensible one. Any agreement surrenders sovereignty. That's the whole point. You agree to constrain your freedom of arbitrary, unilateral action in exchange for a predictable relationship. Be it for trade or defence or anything else. | |||
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"I saw that leaving the eu we could take back control of the uk where you could change the lawmakers every 5 years if you did not like them.Uk courts for the uk and most of all stop paying all those brussels bureaucrats lording it up on tax payers money.Its working out well so far. "Thanks - but that wasn't what I was asking. I'll try to explain better. I was asking how you saw the actual process of taking back control etc working out. So I'm not asking what you wanted, but how you saw the nuts and bolts of actually delivering what you wanted working out - and what it was that had led you to believe it would work out in that way. make sense? | |||
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"I saw that leaving the eu we could take back control of the uk where you could change the lawmakers every 5 years if you did not like them.Uk courts for the uk and most of all stop paying all those brussels bureaucrats lording it up on tax payers money.Its working out well so far.
Thanks - but that wasn't what I was asking.
I'll try to explain better.
I was asking how you saw the actual process of taking back control etc working out.
So I'm not asking what you wanted, but how you saw the nuts and bolts of actually delivering what you wanted working out - and what it was that had led you to believe it would work out in that way.
make sense?"No not really,i never thought about the nuts and bolts i trust the government to implement the outcome, im not a politician thats their job. | |||
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