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"The police response to an ex-officer's allegedly transphobic tweets was unlawful, the High Court has ruled. Harry Miller was visited by Humberside Police at work in January last year after a complaint about his tweets. He was told he had not committed a crime, but it would be recorded as a non-crime "hate incident". The court found the force's actions were a "disproportionate interference" with his right to freedom of expression. Some common sense from the courts at last . " Do you know what he tweeted? | |||
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"The police response to an ex-officer's allegedly transphobic tweets was unlawful, the High Court has ruled. Harry Miller was visited by Humberside Police at work in January last year after a complaint about his tweets. He was told he had not committed a crime, but it would be recorded as a non-crime "hate incident". The court found the force's actions were a "disproportionate interference" with his right to freedom of expression. Some common sense from the courts at last . " Indeed  | |||
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"& just because he can say horrible things, it doesn’t mean he should. Nor should it mean that we can’t call him out for saying it
"That's totally different though. The police should not get involved in anything where a law HAS NOT been breached. | |||
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"& just because he can say horrible things, it doesn’t mean he should. Nor should it mean that we can’t call him out for saying it
That's totally different though.
The police should not get involved in anything where a law HAS NOT been breached. "Exactly. Just because he allegedly said “horrid things “ or stuff you don’t agree with does not make it an offence for the courts to pursue and convict. I have heard far far far worse vitriol and abuse and witnessed harassment and physical attacks by pro life activists against women by women. They can say and do whatever they want without the police hounding them. Even if they have accused women of murder | |||
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"& just because he can say horrible things, it doesn’t mean he should. Nor should it mean that we can’t call him out for saying it
That's totally different though.
The police should not get involved in anything where a law HAS NOT been breached.
Exactly. Just because he allegedly said “horrid things “ or stuff you don’t agree with does not make it an offence for the courts to pursue and convict. I have heard far far far worse vitriol and abuse and witnessed harassment and physical attacks by pro life activists against women by women. They can say and do whatever they want without the police hounding them. Even if they have accused women of murder"Well I hope you intervene on this as well. I agree Hull Police overstepped the mark by the way, but just saying the Courts are right for once does not reflect the whole story. The man was in the wrong, but the Courts flagged that the Police were also. Two wrongs do not make a right | |||
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"The police response to an ex-officer's allegedly transphobic tweets was unlawful, the High Court has ruled. Harry Miller was visited by Humberside Police at work in January last year after a complaint about his tweets. He was told he had not committed a crime, but it would be recorded as a non-crime "hate incident". The court found the force's actions were a "disproportionate interference" with his right to freedom of expression. Some common sense from the courts at last . " I agree free speech is being eroded by political correctness as a T/V if someone once to slag me off that is there right to show there ignorance. We are told it is good not to supress things and get them out into the open but if you say something offensive it becomes a crime nonsense.Good to see the courts apply common sense for a change | |||
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"The police response to an ex-officer's allegedly transphobic tweets was unlawful, the High Court has ruled. Harry Miller was visited by Humberside Police at work in January last year after a complaint about his tweets. He was told he had not committed a crime, but it would be recorded as a non-crime "hate incident". The court found the force's actions were a "disproportionate interference" with his right to freedom of expression. Some common sense from the courts at last . I agree free speech is being eroded by political correctness as a T/V if someone once to slag me off that is there right to show there ignorance. We are told it is good not to supress things and get them out into the open but if you say something offensive it becomes a crime nonsense.Good to see the courts apply common sense for a change" 
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"The police response to an ex-officer's allegedly transphobic tweets was unlawful, the High Court has ruled. Harry Miller was visited by Humberside Police at work in January last year after a complaint about his tweets. He was told he had not committed a crime, but it would be recorded as a non-crime "hate incident". The court found the force's actions were a "disproportionate interference" with his right to freedom of expression. Some common sense from the courts at last . I agree free speech is being eroded by political correctness as a T/V if someone once to slag me off that is there right to show there ignorance. We are told it is good not to supress things and get them out into the open but if you say something offensive it becomes a crime nonsense.Good to see the courts apply common sense for a change
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" There is no such thing as ‘free speech’ in the U.K." Yes there is, free speech as long as it does not break the law | |||
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"Ok. For what it's worth, my opinion is as follows. It is difficult to fairly judge the rights and wrong without being told exactly what the wrong is. The police if called have a duty to investigate. Maybe a snowflake type reports a non incident as a major crime or, what he said was strong enough to warrant police action. We don't know. In regards to freedom of speech. Our rights are simple to understand but there are those that will fight for the right to be abusive. So using an American quote. You have the right to swing or fists right up to the point where my nose begins. Simple isn't it. We all have the right to say what we like right up to the point where you cause harassment alarm or offence. Simples. Or am I wrong? " No you can certainly offend someone and cause alarm using free speech without either being an offence | |||
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"Ok. For what it's worth, my opinion is as follows. It is difficult to fairly judge the rights and wrong without being told exactly what the wrong is. The police if called have a duty to investigate. Maybe a snowflake type reports a non incident as a major crime or, what he said was strong enough to warrant police action. We don't know. In regards to freedom of speech. Our rights are simple to understand but there are those that will fight for the right to be abusive. So using an American quote. You have the right to swing or fists right up to the point where my nose begins. Simple isn't it. We all have the right to say what we like right up to the point where you cause harassment alarm or offence. Simples. Or am I wrong? " Not really that simple. Different people find different things offensive. The biggest challenge with freedom of speech has been to decide where to draw the line. IMO, people have the right to say anything as long as the person who hears it has the ability to not hear what the other person says. Also when a person has the freedom to tell something offensive, he should realise that others have the freedom to call it out and even offend back this person. But there should not be legal actions taken for words spoken. | |||
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"Ok. For what it's worth, my opinion is as follows. It is difficult to fairly judge the rights and wrong without being told exactly what the wrong is. The police if called have a duty to investigate. Maybe a snowflake type reports a non incident as a major crime or, what he said was strong enough to warrant police action. We don't know. In regards to freedom of speech. Our rights are simple to understand but there are those that will fight for the right to be abusive. So using an American quote. You have the right to swing or fists right up to the point where my nose begins. Simple isn't it. We all have the right to say what we like right up to the point where you cause harassment alarm or offence. Simples. Or am I wrong? Not really that simple. Different people find different things offensive. The biggest challenge with freedom of speech has been to decide where to draw the line. IMO, people have the right to say anything as long as the person who hears it has the ability to not hear what the other person says. Also when a person has the freedom to tell something offensive, he should realise that others have the freedom to call it out and even offend back this person. But there should not be legal actions taken for words spoken." No legal action for any words spoken? | |||
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" But there should not be legal actions taken for words spoken. No legal action for any words spoken? " Nope. I don't understand how hate speech is a thing now. | |||
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" But there should not be legal actions taken for words spoken. No legal action for any words spoken? Nope. I don't understand how hate speech is a thing now. " Again really! | |||
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"Offence is taken not given. I have no way of knowing what someone else might find offensive." There are certain things any decent person should find offensive. I'm not going to list them as they are against forum rules. | |||
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"Offence is taken not given. I have no way of knowing what someone else might find offensive. There are certain things any decent person should find offensive. I'm not going to list them as they are against forum rules. " Fair enough. Not going to ask you to list them. One person's Saturday BBCone is another's offensive. There are so many things that people these days seem to be offended by and I don't think an individual should have to 2nd guess the foibles of everyone in earshot when ever they tell a joke. | |||
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"Offence is taken not given. I have no way of knowing what someone else might find offensive. There are certain things any decent person should find offensive. I'm not going to list them as they are against forum rules. Fair enough. Not going to ask you to list them. One person's Saturday BBCone is another's offensive. There are so many things that people these days seem to be offended by and I don't think an individual should have to 2nd guess the foibles of everyone in earshot when ever they tell a joke. " I'm not disagreeing but certain things need to be handled sensibly. Free speech does not give people the right to say whatever they like without being challenged. | |||
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"Offence is taken not given. I have no way of knowing what someone else might find offensive. There are certain things any decent person should find offensive. I'm not going to list them as they are against forum rules. Fair enough. Not going to ask you to list them. One person's Saturday BBCone is another's offensive. There are so many things that people these days seem to be offended by and I don't think an individual should have to 2nd guess the foibles of everyone in earshot when ever they tell a joke. I'm not disagreeing but certain things need to be handled sensibly. Free speech does not give people the right to say whatever they like without being challenged. " Challenged? absolutely. However the current climate is heading to simply not being able to say anything and simply being shut down. I'm increasingly worried about policing of the internet and moderating of harmful content so for me free speech is wider than just comedy. Who decides what's harmful? | |||
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"Offence is taken not given. I have no way of knowing what someone else might find offensive. There are certain things any decent person should find offensive. I'm not going to list them as they are against forum rules. Fair enough. Not going to ask you to list them. One person's Saturday BBCone is another's offensive. There are so many things that people these days seem to be offended by and I don't think an individual should have to 2nd guess the foibles of everyone in earshot when ever they tell a joke. I'm not disagreeing but certain things need to be handled sensibly. Free speech does not give people the right to say whatever they like without being challenged. Challenged? absolutely. However the current climate is heading to simply not being able to say anything and simply being shut down. I'm increasingly worried about policing of the internet and moderating of harmful content so for me free speech is wider than just comedy. Who decides what's harmful? " Normally if most people feel its distasteful it's time to stop. Some subjects are very obviously harmful. | |||
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"There are groups in society that would argue FAB was distasteful and want to block it. There are sites that are harmful to some helpful to others. I'm worried about the lowest common denominator being applied. Some people will be hurt by this so no one can access it mentality " You know exactly what I'm referring to. | |||
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"There are groups in society that would argue FAB was distasteful and want to block it. There are sites that are harmful to some helpful to others. I'm worried about the lowest common denominator being applied. Some people will be hurt by this so no one can access it mentality You know exactly what I'm referring to. " Error actually no I don't. | |||
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"There are groups in society that would argue FAB was distasteful and want to block it. There are sites that are harmful to some helpful to others. I'm worried about the lowest common denominator being applied. Some people will be hurt by this so no one can access it mentality You know exactly what I'm referring to. Error actually no I don't." The other thread you have been commenting on. | |||
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"Offence is taken not given. I have no way of knowing what someone else might find offensive. There are certain things any decent person should find offensive. I'm not going to list them as they are against forum rules. Fair enough. Not going to ask you to list them. One person's Saturday BBCone is another's offensive. There are so many things that people these days seem to be offended by and I don't think an individual should have to 2nd guess the foibles of everyone in earshot when ever they tell a joke. I'm not disagreeing but certain things need to be handled sensibly. Free speech does not give people the right to say whatever they like without being challenged. " Again. People can be challenged. If someone saya something that's considered wrong by others, others should be able to use their freedom of speech to challenge it. Censorship or legal action should not be a response to someone's speech. When you say "certain things need to be handled sensibly", who decides what those certain things are? In your mind, you will have an idea about what is really bad. As the other poster suggested, fab is considered sin by many people. Religious people consider homosexuality as a sin and would want to censor anything that supports that. If we go down the route of censorship, there will be fringe groups trying to force the government to censor things which they don't like. Suppression of people's opinions, good or bad, is a bad thing. | |||
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"If someone takes offence at anything that is'said to them that's their problem. Freedom to openly say what you want always should be a basic human right. Offence is relative, different things offend different people. To say otherwise is like saying the colour red should be a criminal offence to wear as it may offend someone. The woke society at its best/worst " Are you suggesting people can say anything?? | |||
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"If someone takes offence at anything that is'said to them that's their problem. Freedom to openly say what you want always should be a basic human right. Offence is relative, different things offend different people. To say otherwise is like saying the colour red should be a criminal offence to wear as it may offend someone. The woke society at its best/worst Are you suggesting people can say anything??" I'm suggesting the right to freedom of speech, whether some regard it as offensive or not should be a basic human right. If what I say offends anyone then that's their problem and vice versa | |||
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"If someone takes offence at anything that is'said to them that's their problem. Freedom to openly say what you want always should be a basic human right. Offence is relative, different things offend different people. To say otherwise is like saying the colour red should be a criminal offence to wear as it may offend someone. The woke society at its best/worst Are you suggesting people can say anything?? I'm suggesting the right to freedom of speech, whether some regard it as offensive or not should be a basic human right. If what I say offends anyone then that's their problem and vice versa " It really isn’t ‘their problem ‘ . If you think you can literally say anything then you are out of touch with reality | |||
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"If someone takes offence at anything that is'said to them that's their problem. Freedom to openly say what you want always should be a basic human right. Offence is relative, different things offend different people. To say otherwise is like saying the colour red should be a criminal offence to wear as it may offend someone. The woke society at its best/worst Are you suggesting people can say anything?? I'm suggesting the right to freedom of speech, whether some regard it as offensive or not should be a basic human right. If what I say offends anyone then that's their problem and vice versa It really isn’t ‘their problem ‘ . If you think you can literally say anything then you are out of touch with reality " Exactly. I'm all for being able to voice an opinion without fear of reproach, but there HAS to be a balance between the right to freedom of speech and the right not to be subjected to the most extreme views, or what is essentially abuse. | |||
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"If someone takes offence at anything that is'said to them that's their problem. Freedom to openly say what you want always should be a basic human right. Offence is relative, different things offend different people. To say otherwise is like saying the colour red should be a criminal offence to wear as it may offend someone. The woke society at its best/worst Are you suggesting people can say anything?? I'm suggesting the right to freedom of speech, whether some regard it as offensive or not should be a basic human right. If what I say offends anyone then that's their problem and vice versa It really isn’t ‘their problem ‘ . If you think you can literally say anything then you are out of touch with reality " It's about time reality was banned. It's out of touch with today's more "woke" way of thinking. | |||
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"If someone takes offence at anything that is'said to them that's their problem. Freedom to openly say what you want always should be a basic human right. Offence is relative, different things offend different people. To say otherwise is like saying the colour red should be a criminal offence to wear as it may offend someone. The woke society at its best/worst Are you suggesting people can say anything?? I'm suggesting the right to freedom of speech, whether some regard it as offensive or not should be a basic human right. If what I say offends anyone then that's their problem and vice versa It really isn’t ‘their problem ‘ . If you think you can literally say anything then you are out of touch with reality It's about time reality was banned. It's out of touch with today's more "woke" way of thinking. " Do you think you can say ‘anything ‘ you like? | |||
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"If someone takes offence at anything that is'said to them that's their problem. Freedom to openly say what you want always should be a basic human right. Offence is relative, different things offend different people. To say otherwise is like saying the colour red should be a criminal offence to wear as it may offend someone. The woke society at its best/worst Are you suggesting people can say anything?? I'm suggesting the right to freedom of speech, whether some regard it as offensive or not should be a basic human right. If what I say offends anyone then that's their problem and vice versa It really isn’t ‘their problem ‘ . If you think you can literally say anything then you are out of touch with reality It's about time reality was banned. It's out of touch with today's more "woke" way of thinking. Do you think you can say ‘anything ‘ you like? " These days?! God no! Some snowflake will always melt. | |||
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"If someone takes offence at anything that is'said to them that's their problem. Freedom to openly say what you want always should be a basic human right. Offence is relative, different things offend different people. To say otherwise is like saying the colour red should be a criminal offence to wear as it may offend someone. The woke society at its best/worst Are you suggesting people can say anything?? I'm suggesting the right to freedom of speech, whether some regard it as offensive or not should be a basic human right. If what I say offends anyone then that's their problem and vice versa It really isn’t ‘their problem ‘ . If you think you can literally say anything then you are out of touch with reality It's about time reality was banned. It's out of touch with today's more "woke" way of thinking. Do you think you can say ‘anything ‘ you like? " Do you think free speech should be stopped? | |||
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"The police response to an ex-officer's allegedly transphobic tweets was unlawful, the High Court has ruled. Harry Miller was visited by Humberside Police at work in January last year after a complaint about his tweets. He was told he had not committed a crime, but it would be recorded as a non-crime "hate incident". The court found the force's actions were a "disproportionate interference" with his right to freedom of expression. Some common sense from the courts at last . " A "non crime - hate crime" #ClownWorld honk honk | |||
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"With free speech comes responsibility " That sums it up pretty well. Yes, we all want free speech. No, free speech shouldn't be stopped. But if somebody says vile things, they shouldn't be surprised at being called out on it. | |||
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"If someone takes offence at anything that is'said to them that's their problem. Freedom to openly say what you want always should be a basic human right. Offence is relative, different things offend different people. To say otherwise is like saying the colour red should be a criminal offence to wear as it may offend someone. The woke society at its best/worst Are you suggesting people can say anything?? I'm suggesting the right to freedom of speech, whether some regard it as offensive or not should be a basic human right. If what I say offends anyone then that's their problem and vice versa It really isn’t ‘their problem ‘ . If you think you can literally say anything then you are out of touch with reality It's about time reality was banned. It's out of touch with today's more "woke" way of thinking. Do you think you can say ‘anything ‘ you like? Do you think free speech should be stopped?" There is no such thing as ‘free’ speech | |||
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"If someone takes offence at anything that is'said to them that's their problem. Freedom to openly say what you want always should be a basic human right. Offence is relative, different things offend different people. To say otherwise is like saying the colour red should be a criminal offence to wear as it may offend someone. The woke society at its best/worst Are you suggesting people can say anything?? I'm suggesting the right to freedom of speech, whether some regard it as offensive or not should be a basic human right. If what I say offends anyone then that's their problem and vice versa It really isn’t ‘their problem ‘ . If you think you can literally say anything then you are out of touch with reality It's about time reality was banned. It's out of touch with today's more "woke" way of thinking. Do you think you can say ‘anything ‘ you like? Do you think free speech should be stopped?" Do you think that Abu Hamza was right to say what he wanted?? | |||
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"It's a triumph for free speech. A sign of the way things are going "Free speech doesn’t exist. | |||
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"Free speech doesn’t exist. " Then why did the court outline it as a reason for the ruling? | |||
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"If someone takes offence at anything that is'said to them that's their problem. Freedom to openly say what you want always should be a basic human right. Offence is relative, different things offend different people. To say otherwise is like saying the colour red should be a criminal offence to wear as it may offend someone. The woke society at its best/worst Are you suggesting people can say anything?? I'm suggesting the right to freedom of speech, whether some regard it as offensive or not should be a basic human right. If what I say offends anyone then that's their problem and vice versa It really isn’t ‘their problem ‘ . If you think you can literally say anything then you are out of touch with reality It's about time reality was banned. It's out of touch with today's more "woke" way of thinking. Do you think you can say ‘anything ‘ you like? Do you think free speech should be stopped? Do you think that Abu Hamza was right to say what he wanted?? " Absolutely. | |||
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"If someone takes offence at anything that is'said to them that's their problem. Freedom to openly say what you want always should be a basic human right. Offence is relative, different things offend different people. To say otherwise is like saying the colour red should be a criminal offence to wear as it may offend someone. The woke society at its best/worst Are you suggesting people can say anything?? I'm suggesting the right to freedom of speech, whether some regard it as offensive or not should be a basic human right. If what I say offends anyone then that's their problem and vice versa It really isn’t ‘their problem ‘ . If you think you can literally say anything then you are out of touch with reality It's about time reality was banned. It's out of touch with today's more "woke" way of thinking. Do you think you can say ‘anything ‘ you like? Do you think free speech should be stopped? Do you think that Abu Hamza was right to say what he wanted?? Absolutely. " Then why did he get put into prison? Face facts, you can’t say what you want when you want , have you heard of slander ?? | |||
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"Free speech doesn’t exist. Then why did the court outline it as a reason for the ruling?" Then why did Abu Hamza get put into prison? | |||
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"If someone takes offence at anything that is'said to them that's their problem. Freedom to openly say what you want always should be a basic human right. Offence is relative, different things offend different people. To say otherwise is like saying the colour red should be a criminal offence to wear as it may offend someone. The woke society at its best/worst Are you suggesting people can say anything?? I'm suggesting the right to freedom of speech, whether some regard it as offensive or not should be a basic human right. If what I say offends anyone then that's their problem and vice versa It really isn’t ‘their problem ‘ . If you think you can literally say anything then you are out of touch with reality It's about time reality was banned. It's out of touch with today's more "woke" way of thinking. Do you think you can say ‘anything ‘ you like? Do you think free speech should be stopped? Do you think that Abu Hamza was right to say what he wanted?? Absolutely. "Then why did he get put into prison? Face facts, you can’t say what you want when you want , have you heard of slander ?? " In 2004, Hamza was arrested by British police after the United States requested he be extradited to face charges. He was later charged by British authorities with sixteen offences for inciting violence and racial hatred.[3] In 2006, a British court found him guilty of inciting violence, and sentenced him to seven years' imprisonment. On 5 October 2012, after an eight-year legal battle, he was extradited from the UK to the United States to face terrorism charges[4][5] and on 14 April 2014 his trial began in New York.[6] On 19 May 2014, Hamza was found guilty of eleven terrorism charges by a jury in Manhattan. On 9 January 2015, he was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole." Happy to help  | |||
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"Then why did Abu Hamza get put into prison? " To take a Labour voter off the streets? | |||
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"Then why did Abu Hamza get put into prison? To take a Labour voter off the streets?" Knuckle dragging comment of the lowest type....again  | |||
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"If someone takes offence at anything that is'said to them that's their problem. Freedom to openly say what you want always should be a basic human right. Offence is relative, different things offend different people. To say otherwise is like saying the colour red should be a criminal offence to wear as it may offend someone. The woke society at its best/worst Are you suggesting people can say anything??" well if someone had a, real go against you... You wouldn't take offence... I bet you wouldn't. | |||
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"If someone takes offence at anything that is'said to them that's their problem. Freedom to openly say what you want always should be a basic human right. Offence is relative, different things offend different people. To say otherwise is like saying the colour red should be a criminal offence to wear as it may offend someone. The woke society at its best/worst Are you suggesting people can say anything??well if someone had a, real go against you... You wouldn't take offence... I bet you wouldn't. " That made literally no sense whatsoever . You don’t have the right to call anyone ‘anything’ you want ? | |||
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"Then why did Abu Hamza get put into prison? To take a Labour voter off the streets? Knuckle dragging comment of the lowest type....again "To be expected, | |||
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"Then why did Abu Hamza get put into prison? To take a Labour voter off the streets? Knuckle dragging comment of the lowest type....again
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"I see Sefton council are in trouble for flying a flag with the dictionary definition of what a woman is, in support of international women's day. Vile hate speak at its worst... for shame! "Just googled that wow!!!! | |||
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"I see Sefton council are in trouble for flying a flag with the dictionary definition of what a woman is, in support of international women's day. Vile hate speak at its worst... for shame!
Just googled that wow!!!! "How dare they! | |||
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"I see Sefton council are in trouble for flying a flag with the dictionary definition of what a woman is, in support of international women's day. Vile hate speak at its worst... for shame!
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How dare they!"Probably the same losers who went after Yorkshire tea. | |||
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"So who thinks that free speech should be curtailed? By this I mean giving an opinion on subjects, topics and debates. Today's society seems to think that censoring subjects is the way to go. They think that anyone with an opinion that differs from theirs is racist, homophobic, and xenophobic, and therefore should be shouted down. Free speech is where ALL TOPICS and All VIEW POINTS on those topics can be voiced and discussed. People who get "offended" in discussions and then shout Racist etc are the ones that should be called out. They are the destroyers of freedom of speech Safe spaces? Don't make me laugh. . . Grow up . . The world is a harsh place, no one is there to pander to your needs. " Great post well said | |||
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"Then why did Abu Hamza get put into prison? To take a Labour voter off the streets? Knuckle dragging comment of the lowest type....again
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"Then why did Abu Hamza get put into prison? To take a Labour voter off the streets? Knuckle dragging comment of the lowest type....again "Quite a good joke though | |||
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"Left wing Mantra. Defend the terrorists. Attack the victims . Maybe that will change if his lordship takes the reins . But not of RWB carries on the legacy" I hear they chant those words at every secret meeting. It's true! I read it on some graffiti on a toilet door! | |||
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"So who thinks that free speech should be curtailed? By this I mean giving an opinion on subjects, topics and debates. Today's society seems to think that censoring subjects is the way to go. They think that anyone with an opinion that differs from theirs is racist, homophobic, and xenophobic, and therefore should be shouted down. Free speech is where ALL TOPICS and All VIEW POINTS on those topics can be voiced and discussed. People who get "offended" in discussions and then shout Racist etc are the ones that should be called out. They are the destroyers of freedom of speech Safe spaces? Don't make me laugh. . . Grow up . . The world is a harsh place, no one is there to pander to your needs. " So if someone, in exercising their right to free speech exhorts people to attack others. Assault them. Their families. For the reason of their religion, ethnicity or sexuality. That's alright with you? Because of free speech? It's alright to "debate" that someone is inferior due to their skin colour or religion or sexuality? Any "offence" that people feel as a result of this is imaginary? They are overreacting? They should "debate" these assertions with equanimity? There is a difference between debate and abuse. There is a difference between debate and normalising extreme views. Has anyone ever asserted that you are inferior to them? Once? Twice? Regularly? | |||
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"The police response to an ex-officer's allegedly transphobic tweets was unlawful, the High Court has ruled. Harry Miller was visited by Humberside Police at work in January last year after a complaint about his tweets. He was told he had not committed a crime, but it would be recorded as a non-crime "hate incident". The court found the force's actions were a "disproportionate interference" with his right to freedom of expression. Some common sense from the courts at last . " The courts apply the law. The police did not act lawfully. I always find it interesting how outraged people seem to get at the judicial system functioning as it is supposed to  | |||
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"The police response to an ex-officer's allegedly transphobic tweets was unlawful, the High Court has ruled. Harry Miller was visited by Humberside Police at work in January last year after a complaint about his tweets. He was told he had not committed a crime, but it would be recorded as a non-crime "hate incident". The court found the force's actions were a "disproportionate interference" with his right to freedom of expression. Some common sense from the courts at last . " In the past five years, UK police have recorded 120,000 “non-crime hate incidents”. This kind of police action is essential. For too long, people have been not breaking the law and getting away with it. | |||
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"So who thinks that free speech should be curtailed? By this I mean giving an opinion on subjects, topics and debates. Today's society seems to think that censoring subjects is the way to go. They think that anyone with an opinion that differs from theirs is racist, homophobic, and xenophobic, and therefore should be shouted down. Free speech is where ALL TOPICS and All VIEW POINTS on those topics can be voiced and discussed. People who get "offended" in discussions and then shout Racist etc are the ones that should be called out. They are the destroyers of freedom of speech Safe spaces? Don't make me laugh. . . Grow up . . The world is a harsh place, no one is there to pander to your needs. " -******************** The most sensible contribution yet to this thread. (My opinion, in case anyone feels 'offended') Eva X | |||
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"So who thinks that free speech should be curtailed? By this I mean giving an opinion on subjects, topics and debates. Today's society seems to think that censoring subjects is the way to go. They think that anyone with an opinion that differs from theirs is racist, homophobic, and xenophobic, and therefore should be shouted down. Free speech is where ALL TOPICS and All VIEW POINTS on those topics can be voiced and discussed. People who get "offended" in discussions and then shout Racist etc are the ones that should be called out. They are the destroyers of freedom of speech Safe spaces? Don't make me laugh. . . Grow up . . The world is a harsh place, no one is there to pander to your needs. So if someone, in exercising their right to free speech exhorts people to attack others. Assault them. Their families. For the reason of their religion, ethnicity or sexuality. That's alright with you? Because of free speech? It's alright to "debate" that someone is inferior due to their skin colour or religion or sexuality? Any "offence" that people feel as a result of this is imaginary? They are overreacting? They should "debate" these assertions with equanimity? There is a difference between debate and abuse. There is a difference between debate and normalising extreme views. Has anyone ever asserted that you are inferior to them? Once? Twice? Regularly?" Where the hell did I mention abuse? There you go. . Assuming something that isn't there, get a grip and re read. I talked about freedom to Express one's view in topics and debates. Without being shouted down because my views may differ from yours on many subjects. I should have the same rights of free speech as you have. University campuses banning invited guests all because their views don't match some students views? What's that all about? | |||
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"So who thinks that free speech should be curtailed? By this I mean giving an opinion on subjects, topics and debates. Today's society seems to think that censoring subjects is the way to go. They think that anyone with an opinion that differs from theirs is racist, homophobic, and xenophobic, and therefore should be shouted down. Free speech is where ALL TOPICS and All VIEW POINTS on those topics can be voiced and discussed. People who get "offended" in discussions and then shout Racist etc are the ones that should be called out. They are the destroyers of freedom of speech Safe spaces? Don't make me laugh. . . Grow up . . The world is a harsh place, no one is there to pander to your needs. So if someone, in exercising their right to free speech exhorts people to attack others. Assault them. Their families. For the reason of their religion, ethnicity or sexuality. That's alright with you? Because of free speech? It's alright to "debate" that someone is inferior due to their skin colour or religion or sexuality? Any "offence" that people feel as a result of this is imaginary? They are overreacting? They should "debate" these assertions with equanimity? There is a difference between debate and abuse. There is a difference between debate and normalising extreme views. Has anyone ever asserted that you are inferior to them? Once? Twice? Regularly? Where the hell did I mention abuse? There you go. . Assuming something that isn't there, get a grip and re read. I talked about freedom to Express one's view in topics and debates. Without being shouted down because my views may differ from yours on many subjects. I should have the same rights of free speech as you have. University campuses banning invited guests all because their views don't match some students views? What's that all about? " People have those views and express them. Should "debating" a group of people being inferior die to their ethnicity, sexuality or gender be acceptable then? Perhaps you are saying that they cannot "debate" certain subjects which you find unacceptable? | |||
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"So what you seem to be saying is that universities should invite people of all political colours and creeds to speak in the interests of free speech - would you extend that invitation to members of isis, the kkk, the taliban!? Or do you believe as more sensitive people do, that such an invitation would cause more harm than good? It may sound like I am picking on extreme examples but the reality is that there are an awful lot of crackpots in the world whose pursuit of their own dangerous vision makes them impossible to communicate rationally with and leads them on to commit horrendous acts of cruelty and brutality and some people (not all of them ignorant) are drawn into these ideologies which is why personally I think they should not be given the legitimacy that an airing at a university would possibly imply." ******************** There are an '"awful lot of crackpots" on here as well, Dear....!! Eva | |||
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"So what you seem to be saying is that universities should invite people of all political colours and creeds to speak in the interests of free speech - would you extend that invitation to members of isis, the kkk, the taliban!? Or do you believe as more sensitive people do, that such an invitation would cause more harm than good? It may sound like I am picking on extreme examples but the reality is that there are an awful lot of crackpots in the world whose pursuit of their own dangerous vision makes them impossible to communicate rationally with and leads them on to commit horrendous acts of cruelty and brutality and some people (not all of them ignorant) are drawn into these ideologies which is why personally I think they should not be given the legitimacy that an airing at a university would possibly imply." While I dont think those who promote killing others should be given space to promote their hate it's a very difficult line to draw, who decides who can and cant speak? It can be a short cut to censorship and as we have seen in several universities small pressure groups well organised can push their ideas and stop others having a debate | |||
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"So what you seem to be saying is that universities should invite people of all political colours and creeds to speak in the interests of free speech - would you extend that invitation to members of isis, the kkk, the taliban!? Or do you believe as more sensitive people do, that such an invitation would cause more harm than good? It may sound like I am picking on extreme examples but the reality is that there are an awful lot of crackpots in the world whose pursuit of their own dangerous vision makes them impossible to communicate rationally with and leads them on to commit horrendous acts of cruelty and brutality and some people (not all of them ignorant) are drawn into these ideologies which is why personally I think they should not be given the legitimacy that an airing at a university would possibly imply. ******************** There are an '"awful lot of crackpots" on here as well, Dear....!! Eva " | |||
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