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"As a white man living and working in Britain for most of my life I have never knowingly encountered any kind of racism towards me. I have spent the majority of my time in Manchester and have friends and family from differing ethnicities and religions and have learnt a great deal from the different ways people live their lives . Have I been lucky? Is there racism in this country directed towards white people that I don’t know about . Have I been overlooked for a job or promotion based on my skin colour? Are there any white people who have encountered this " Nope I also must have been very lucky to escape any racism directed towards me due to my ethnicity. Any kind of racism or discrimination is abhorrent no matter who it is directed towards. I would also be interested to hear from any white people who have been subjected to racist abuse as the more we get things out in the open then hopefully we can begin to stamp it out. | |||
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". Have I been lucky? Is there racism in this country directed towards white people that I don’t know about, . You've got your finger on the pulse again hey?. Have you read much about the upto 100,000 almost exclusively white girls thats been groomed by Pakistanis which according to the official reports had racism at it's heart and fear of upsetting the Pakistani community at the heart of sweeping it under the carpet by the police?. It's been in the news and everything "Shocking , and they were only groomed because of the colour of their skin? That is awful. Have you any first hand experience of racism directed at yourself ? | |||
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"We have often been subjected to racism in Boston - we're both White and were born here - but we get abuse from white, East European immigrants in Boston because we don't dress like them." Do you think that is racism?? It doesn’t sound good but are they abusing you because of the colour of your skin? | |||
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"We have often been subjected to racism in Boston - we're both White and were born here - but we get abuse from white, East European immigrants in Boston because we don't dress like them. What? "I'm sorry but I don't believe in such stories. | |||
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"We have often been subjected to racism in Boston - we're both White and were born here - but we get abuse from white, East European immigrants in Boston because we don't dress like them. What? "Yeah, apparently abusing someone for wearing different clothes is racism? That is a first | |||
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". Have I been lucky? Is there racism in this country directed towards white people that I don’t know about, . You've got your finger on the pulse again hey?. Have you read much about the upto 100,000 almost exclusively white girls thats been groomed by Pakistanis which according to the official reports had racism at it's heart and fear of upsetting the Pakistani community at the heart of sweeping it under the carpet by the police?. It's been in the news and everything
Shocking , and they were only groomed because of the colour of their skin? That is awful. Have you any first hand experience of racism directed at yourself ?". Not the only reason no but when the victims write statements like "i was gang r#ped by hundreds of Pakistani men they called me white slag and white cunt and beat me. Then there was the actual perpetrators court statements to police "white women deserved it because they dress like slags, they show the curves of their bodies which means there asking for it, they deserve to be gang r@ped". And then of course there was the Muslim community leader who said "the views of some Islamic teachers towards white women is appalling they encourage their followers to believe that white women are immoral, habitually promiscuous, decadent and sleazy, according to this mentality these white women deserve to be degraded and belittled". Now I don't know about you but those UPTO 100,000 white girls seem enough victims to me don't you think?. Or do you need more evidence is this not satisfactory to you?. | |||
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". Have I been lucky? Is there racism in this country directed towards white people that I don’t know about, . You've got your finger on the pulse again hey?. Have you read much about the upto 100,000 almost exclusively white girls thats been groomed by Pakistanis which according to the official reports had racism at it's heart and fear of upsetting the Pakistani community at the heart of sweeping it under the carpet by the police?. It's been in the news and everything
Shocking , and they were only groomed because of the colour of their skin? That is awful. Have you any first hand experience of racism directed at yourself ?.
Not the only reason no but when the victims write statements like "i was gang r#ped by hundreds of Pakistani men they called me white slag and white cunt and beat me.
Then there was the actual perpetrators court statements to police "white women deserved it because they dress like slags, they show the curves of their bodies which means there asking for it, they deserve to be gang r@ped".
And then of course there was the Muslim community leader who said "the views of some Islamic teachers towards white women is appalling they encourage their followers to believe that white women are immoral, habitually promiscuous, decadent and sleazy, according to this mentality these white women deserve to be degraded and belittled".
Now I don't know about you but those UPTO 100,000 white girls seem enough victims to me don't you think?.
Or do you need more evidence is this not satisfactory to you?."That is terrible, awful. How many men have been caught? I hope they have all been found guilty and are serving very long sentences? I hadn't realised peodophillia was based on race , I always thought they preyed on vulnerable children who were easy to groom rather than target a specific group based on the colour of their skin . Did you know that 90% of people convicted of sex offences against children or are on the sex offenders register are white men? Even so, it is shocking to think that 10 % of the nonces in the UK are non white . Have you had any first hand experience of racism directed at yourself in the UK? | |||
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"Try living in london" Why? What has happened? | |||
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"Try living in london Why? What has happened? " Let me guess. Too many immigrants from Eastern Europe  | |||
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"To many immigrants has nothing to do with it, Don't try that" Unfortunately, not everyone thinks like you. But it's very comforting. | |||
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so to answer your question....no. there aren't any REPORTS of racism towards white people. | |||
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"Every time i go for a main part in a Bollywood film.....they say 'don't call us we'll call you!' But i'm expecting a whole host of awards at the MOBO's this time round
so to answer your question....no. there aren't any REPORTS of racism towards white people. "What? Was? That? Wow , that was spectacular | |||
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"We have often been subjected to racism in Boston - we're both White and were born here - but we get abuse from white, East European immigrants in Boston because we don't dress like them." If this is true, how can you be sure that they are immigrants from Eastern Europe? Did they speak Polish? Romanian Czech or Hungarian? If so, how do you know what they were saying? Do you understand languages ??from that part of Europe? Or maybe they had written on their foreheads where they came from? | |||
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"We have often been subjected to racism in Boston - we're both White and were born here - but we get abuse from white, East European immigrants in Boston because we don't dress like them. What?
I'm sorry but I don't believe in such stories. "Believe what you like , but it's true. people from outside the area always blame us locals for Boston being the least integrated town in Britain. | |||
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"We have often been subjected to racism in Boston - we're both White and were born here - but we get abuse from white, East European immigrants in Boston because we don't dress like them. If this is true, how can you be sure that they are immigrants from Eastern Europe? Did they speak Polish? Romanian Czech or Hungarian? If so, how do you know what they were saying? Do you understand languages ??from that part of Europe? Or maybe they had written on their foreheads where they came from?" The heavy accents and foreign swearwords are a clue! | |||
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"We have often been subjected to racism in Boston - we're both White and were born here - but we get abuse from white, East European immigrants in Boston because we don't dress like them. Do you think that is racism?? It doesn’t sound good but are they abusing you because of the colour of your skin? " It's racism when they use phrases like, "fucking English kulva" | |||
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"We have often been subjected to racism in Boston - we're both White and were born here - but we get abuse from white, East European immigrants in Boston because we don't dress like them. If this is true, how can you be sure that they are immigrants from Eastern Europe? Did they speak Polish? Romanian Czech or Hungarian? If so, how do you know what they were saying? Do you understand languages ??from that part of Europe? Or maybe they had written on their foreheads where they came from? The heavy accents and foreign swearwords are a clue!" This does not mean that they are from Eastern Europe. I know many British people who swear in Polish, for example. | |||
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"We have often been subjected to racism in Boston - we're both White and were born here - but we get abuse from white, East European immigrants in Boston because we don't dress like them. Do you think that is racism?? It doesn’t sound good but are they abusing you because of the colour of your skin? It's racism when they use phrases like, "fucking English kulva"" I don't know a curse like Kulva | |||
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"We have often been subjected to racism in Boston - we're both White and were born here - but we get abuse from white, East European immigrants in Boston because we don't dress like them. Do you think that is racism?? It doesn’t sound good but are they abusing you because of the colour of your skin? It's racism when they use phrases like, "fucking English kulva" I don't know a curse like Kulva" That was autocorrect, it should've said, "Kurwa". And yes we DO know they're Eastern European, there are plenty of them around here, so easy to recognise - and as it happens, we have friends who are Portugese, Hungarian and South African (before you call us racist) | |||
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"We have often been subjected to racism in Boston - we're both White and were born here - but we get abuse from white, East European immigrants in Boston because we don't dress like them. Do you think that is racism?? It doesn’t sound good but are they abusing you because of the colour of your skin? It's racism when they use phrases like, "fucking English kulva" I don't know a curse like Kulva That was autocorrect, it should've said, "Kurwa". And yes we DO know they're Eastern European, there are plenty of them around here, so easy to recognise - and as it happens, we have friends who are Portugese, Hungarian and South African (before you call us racist)" I didn't mean to call you a racist. Where does this idea come from? The word "kurwa" is very popular not only in Eastern Europe. Why are they so easy to recognize? Are they homeless? Are they looking for food in the trash cans? I do not really understand that. | |||
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"We have often been subjected to racism in Boston - we're both White and were born here - but we get abuse from white, East European immigrants in Boston because we don't dress like them. Do you think that is racism?? It doesn’t sound good but are they abusing you because of the colour of your skin? It's racism when they use phrases like, "fucking English kulva" I don't know a curse like Kulva That was autocorrect, it should've said, "Kurwa". And yes we DO know they're Eastern European, there are plenty of them around here, so easy to recognise - and as it happens, we have friends who are Portugese, Hungarian and South African (before you call us racist) I didn't mean to call you a racist. Where does this idea come from? The word "kurwa" is very popular not only in Eastern Europe. Why are they so easy to recognize? Are they homeless? Are they looking for food in the trash cans? I do not really understand that. " They hang around in large groups - all men - outside EU shops, speaking in their own languages, all dressed in similar clothes. | |||
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"We have often been subjected to racism in Boston - we're both White and were born here - but we get abuse from white, East European immigrants in Boston because we don't dress like them. Do you think that is racism?? It doesn’t sound good but are they abusing you because of the colour of your skin? It's racism when they use phrases like, "fucking English kulva" I don't know a curse like Kulva That was autocorrect, it should've said, "Kurwa". And yes we DO know they're Eastern European, there are plenty of them around here, so easy to recognise - and as it happens, we have friends who are Portugese, Hungarian and South African (before you call us racist) I didn't mean to call you a racist. Where does this idea come from? The word "kurwa" is very popular not only in Eastern Europe. Why are they so easy to recognize? Are they homeless? Are they looking for food in the trash cans? I do not really understand that. They hang around in large groups - all men - outside EU shops, speaking in their own languages, all dressed in similar clothes." What’s an EU shop? | |||
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"We have often been subjected to racism in Boston - we're both White and were born here - but we get abuse from white, East European immigrants in Boston because we don't dress like them. Do you think that is racism?? It doesn’t sound good but are they abusing you because of the colour of your skin? It's racism when they use phrases like, "fucking English kulva" I don't know a curse like Kulva That was autocorrect, it should've said, "Kurwa". And yes we DO know they're Eastern European, there are plenty of them around here, so easy to recognise - and as it happens, we have friends who are Portugese, Hungarian and South African (before you call us racist) I didn't mean to call you a racist. Where does this idea come from? The word "kurwa" is very popular not only in Eastern Europe. Why are they so easy to recognize? Are they homeless? Are they looking for food in the trash cans? I do not really understand that. They hang around in large groups - all men - outside EU shops, speaking in their own languages, all dressed in similar clothes." EU shops? So if someone is wearing the same clothes then they come from Eastern Europe? What language do they use? | |||
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"We have often been subjected to racism in Boston - we're both White and were born here - but we get abuse from white, East European immigrants in Boston because we don't dress like them." That is unpleasant to put it mildly. IT does not seem to be because you are white skinned though. Without wishing to minimise it, what is the context? Are they d*unk and being dicks or do you think that it is specifically because you are British? Can you really tell? | |||
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"We have often been subjected to racism in Boston - we're both White and were born here - but we get abuse from white, East European immigrants in Boston because we don't dress like them. What?
Yeah, apparently abusing someone for wearing different clothes is racism? That is a first "A first!! Really? That’s some sheltered life you have lead | |||
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". Have I been lucky? Is there racism in this country directed towards white people that I don’t know about, . You've got your finger on the pulse again hey?. Have you read much about the upto 100,000 almost exclusively white girls thats been groomed by Pakistanis which according to the official reports had racism at it's heart and fear of upsetting the Pakistani community at the heart of sweeping it under the carpet by the police?. It's been in the news and everything
Shocking , and they were only groomed because of the colour of their skin? That is awful. Have you any first hand experience of racism directed at yourself ?.
Not the only reason no but when the victims write statements like "i was gang r#ped by hundreds of Pakistani men they called me white slag and white cunt and beat me.
Then there was the actual perpetrators court statements to police "white women deserved it because they dress like slags, they show the curves of their bodies which means there asking for it, they deserve to be gang r@ped".
And then of course there was the Muslim community leader who said "the views of some Islamic teachers towards white women is appalling they encourage their followers to believe that white women are immoral, habitually promiscuous, decadent and sleazy, according to this mentality these white women deserve to be degraded and belittled".
Now I don't know about you but those UPTO 100,000 white girls seem enough victims to me don't you think?.
Or do you need more evidence is this not satisfactory to you?."Ah. The Pakistani paedophile thread again. How I've missed the same select phrases being repeated again. There are, according to The Times 100,000 children who are at risk of sexual abuse in total in the UK. The only other information I can find for 100,000 in that context is Nigel Farage's recruitment to the Brexit Party. Curious. The abuse carried out by these gangs was as bad as it gets. The fact that they used racially abusive terms cannot be particularly surprising. They preyed on the most vulnerable and they are predominantly white. From FullFact "What do we know about the ethnicity of people involved in sexual offences against children?" "Where offenders’ ethnicity was known, 81% of people convicted of sexual offences in 2014 were white, 7% were black and 9% were Asian in 2014. These proportions were similar over the previous four years. The government told us it doesn’t regularly publish information on the ethnicity of those found guilty of sexual offences so there is no more recent information." This is from Channel 4 https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-just-three-of-englands-39-police-forces-say-theyve-never-investigated-a-grooming-gang "a 2013 study by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection division of the National Crime Agency using data requested from police forces — indicated that Asian men had carried out 75 per cent of recorded “Type 1” group abuse, where victims were targeted because they’re vulnerable. The same study found that 100 per cent of recorded “Type 2” group abusers — who abused children because of an overtly paedophilic interest — were white. However, Type 2 abusers were more likely to operate in pairs rather than larger groups, so the number of recorded white group-abusers was lower than the recorded number of Asian group-abusers (70 compared to 229). This led us to the tentative conclusion that Asian men (who make up about 7.5 per cent of the population) are disproportionately represented among recorded group abusers. Although highly imperfect, that was the best data available to us at the time. CEOP told us that they haven’t updated their figures since then, so for now it’s the only data we have." This is from Policing Insight "When bad evidence is worse than no evidence: Quilliam’s “grooming gangs” report and its legacy": "It’s rare to find a publication so flawed and yet so influential as the Quilliam Foundation’s report on “grooming gangs”. Launched in December 2017 to much fanfare and little scrutiny, it spawned the now widespread statistic that “84% of grooming gang offenders” are Asian. Why should we care about a dud report? It’s simple: bad science makes for bad policy and bad practice. If misinformation isn’t challenged, then the ultimate losers will be sexually exploited children and already marginalised minority groups." "Once again, it’s crucial to look at the bigger picture: court data show Asians weren’t over represented among roughly 172,000 men & 27,000 women convicted of any sexual offence in England & Wales in 2016. More specifically, Asians were actually underrepresented (at 4%) among the approximately 6,200 defendants prosecuted in 2015/2016 for sexual offences flagged as child abuse related." | |||
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" That is terrible, awful. How many men have been caught? I hope they have all been found guilty and are serving very long sentences? I hadn't realised peodophillia was based on race , I always thought they preyed on vulnerable children who were easy to groom rather than target a specific group based on the colour of their skin . Did you know that 90% of people convicted of sex offences against children or are on the sex offenders register are white men? Even so, it is shocking to think that 10 % of the nonces in the UK are non white . Have you had any first hand experience of racism directed at yourself in the UK? " How many have been caught? Plenty of them have been arrested. But every month, we hear news of a new grooming gang. The criminals are given long sentences. Some of the Rochdale grooming gang members were given 16 years in prison. But because of that stupid law of automatic release, many of them are already released. And they are living right near the houses of victims. Imagine the life of a woman who was repeatedly assaulted by these filthy creatures having to face them again daily? Pedophilia in general is not based on race. But the grooming gangs operated on race. As pointed out by others, when a religion teaches you that 'pure women' always cover their bodies from top to bottom, there will be some extremists who assume that the women who wear short skirts are sluts. Based on the victim accounts, they were verbally abused with terms like "white trash" and "white slag". If this is not racism, what is? Some facts: 1) That 90% abusers are white males was tweeted by Naz Shah, an MP. It was based on the numbers in 2011 when the grooming gangs were only beginning to be busted. And it was based on unreliable data. There were a sizeable chunk of cases where the ethnicity of offenders were marked as others/unknown. 2) This Naz Shah is a glorious lady who re-shared a tweet that said "Those abused girls in Rotherham and elsewhere just need to keep their mouth shut. For the sake of diversity." Maybe we should deport this MP first? 3) On reviewing the Rochdale case, it was found that in spite of repeated complaints about this abuse, police refused to investigate because they were afraid of accusations of racism. Isn't this racism in itself? 4) After the sentences were given, some of the criminals accused the judge for being racist. Many of these perpetrators are supposed to be deported as they have Pakistani citizenship. But they have appealed the case and are waiting for judgement. If they are going to be deported, I am pretty sure that the left wing politicians and some liberals will be out there fighting to keep them back. | |||
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". Have I been lucky? Is there racism in this country directed towards white people that I don’t know about, . You've got your finger on the pulse again hey?. Have you read much about the upto 100,000 almost exclusively white girls thats been groomed by Pakistanis which according to the official reports had racism at it's heart and fear of upsetting the Pakistani community at the heart of sweeping it under the carpet by the police?. It's been in the news and everything
Shocking , and they were only groomed because of the colour of their skin? That is awful. Have you any first hand experience of racism directed at yourself ?.
Not the only reason no but when the victims write statements like "i was gang r#ped by hundreds of Pakistani men they called me white slag and white cunt and beat me.
Then there was the actual perpetrators court statements to police "white women deserved it because they dress like slags, they show the curves of their bodies which means there asking for it, they deserve to be gang r@ped".
And then of course there was the Muslim community leader who said "the views of some Islamic teachers towards white women is appalling they encourage their followers to believe that white women are immoral, habitually promiscuous, decadent and sleazy, according to this mentality these white women deserve to be degraded and belittled".
Now I don't know about you but those UPTO 100,000 white girls seem enough victims to me don't you think?.
Or do you need more evidence is this not satisfactory to you?.
Ah. The Pakistani paedophile thread again. How I've missed the same select phrases being repeated again.
There are, according to The Times 100,000 children who are at risk of sexual abuse in total in the UK. The only other information I can find for 100,000 in that context is Nigel Farage's recruitment to the Brexit Party. Curious.
The abuse carried out by these gangs was as bad as it gets. The fact that they used racially abusive terms cannot be particularly surprising. They preyed on the most vulnerable and they are predominantly white.
From FullFact "What do we know about the ethnicity of people involved in sexual offences against children?"
"Where offenders’ ethnicity was known, 81% of people convicted of sexual offences in 2014 were white, 7% were black and 9% were Asian in 2014. These proportions were similar over the previous four years. The government told us it doesn’t regularly publish information on the ethnicity of those found guilty of sexual offences so there is no more recent information."
This is from Channel 4 https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-just-three-of-englands-39-police-forces-say-theyve-never-investigated-a-grooming-gang
"a 2013 study by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection division of the National Crime Agency using data requested from police forces — indicated that Asian men had carried out 75 per cent of recorded “Type 1” group abuse, where victims were targeted because they’re vulnerable.
The same study found that 100 per cent of recorded “Type 2” group abusers — who abused children because of an overtly paedophilic interest — were white. However, Type 2 abusers were more likely to operate in pairs rather than larger groups, so the number of recorded white group-abusers was lower than the recorded number of Asian group-abusers (70 compared to 229).
This led us to the tentative conclusion that Asian men (who make up about 7.5 per cent of the population) are disproportionately represented among recorded group abusers. Although highly imperfect, that was the best data available to us at the time. CEOP told us that they haven’t updated their figures since then, so for now it’s the only data we have."
This is from Policing Insight "When bad evidence is worse than no evidence: Quilliam’s “grooming gangs” report and its legacy":
"It’s rare to find a publication so flawed and yet so influential as the Quilliam Foundation’s report on “grooming gangs”. Launched in December 2017 to much fanfare and little scrutiny, it spawned the now widespread statistic that “84% of grooming gang offenders” are Asian. Why should we care about a dud report? It’s simple: bad science makes for bad policy and bad practice. If misinformation isn’t challenged, then the ultimate losers will be sexually exploited children and already marginalised minority groups."
"Once again, it’s crucial to look at the bigger picture: court data show Asians weren’t over represented among roughly 172,000 men & 27,000 women convicted of any sexual offence in England & Wales in 2016. More specifically, Asians were actually underrepresented (at 4%) among the approximately 6,200 defendants prosecuted in 2015/2016 for sexual offences flagged as child abuse related.""And here you are yet again spouting the same stuff. What makes you believe that the Quilliam foundation report was a lie and channel 4 report was right? Please show me the number of grooming gangs where the perpetrators are not Pakistani. | |||
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"Try living in london" I have. I lived in London from 1983 to 2003, including Hayes, Hounslow and Vauxhall. In all that time and in all those places I never experienced any racism directed against me as a white man. I guess like many of the other white people are saying, I must have just been lucky. | |||
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"Try living in london I have. I lived in London from 1983 to 2003, including Hayes, Hounslow and Vauxhall. In all that time and in all those places I never experienced any racism directed against me as a white man. I guess like many of the other white people are saying, I must have just been lucky." Yes lucky | |||
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". Have I been lucky? Is there racism in this country directed towards white people that I don’t know about, . You've got your finger on the pulse again hey?. Have you read much about the upto 100,000 almost exclusively white girls thats been groomed by Pakistanis which according to the official reports had racism at it's heart and fear of upsetting the Pakistani community at the heart of sweeping it under the carpet by the police?. It's been in the news and everything
Shocking , and they were only groomed because of the colour of their skin? That is awful. Have you any first hand experience of racism directed at yourself ?.
Not the only reason no but when the victims write statements like "i was gang r#ped by hundreds of Pakistani men they called me white slag and white cunt and beat me.
Then there was the actual perpetrators court statements to police "white women deserved it because they dress like slags, they show the curves of their bodies which means there asking for it, they deserve to be gang r@ped".
And then of course there was the Muslim community leader who said "the views of some Islamic teachers towards white women is appalling they encourage their followers to believe that white women are immoral, habitually promiscuous, decadent and sleazy, according to this mentality these white women deserve to be degraded and belittled".
Now I don't know about you but those UPTO 100,000 white girls seem enough victims to me don't you think?.
Or do you need more evidence is this not satisfactory to you?.
Ah. The Pakistani paedophile thread again. How I've missed the same select phrases being repeated again.
There are, according to The Times 100,000 children who are at risk of sexual abuse in total in the UK. The only other information I can find for 100,000 in that context is Nigel Farage's recruitment to the Brexit Party. Curious.
The abuse carried out by these gangs was as bad as it gets. The fact that they used racially abusive terms cannot be particularly surprising. They preyed on the most vulnerable and they are predominantly white.
From FullFact "What do we know about the ethnicity of people involved in sexual offences against children?"
"Where offenders’ ethnicity was known, 81% of people convicted of sexual offences in 2014 were white, 7% were black and 9% were Asian in 2014. These proportions were similar over the previous four years. The government told us it doesn’t regularly publish information on the ethnicity of those found guilty of sexual offences so there is no more recent information."
This is from Channel 4 https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-just-three-of-englands-39-police-forces-say-theyve-never-investigated-a-grooming-gang
"a 2013 study by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection division of the National Crime Agency using data requested from police forces — indicated that Asian men had carried out 75 per cent of recorded “Type 1” group abuse, where victims were targeted because they’re vulnerable.
The same study found that 100 per cent of recorded “Type 2” group abusers — who abused children because of an overtly paedophilic interest — were white. However, Type 2 abusers were more likely to operate in pairs rather than larger groups, so the number of recorded white group-abusers was lower than the recorded number of Asian group-abusers (70 compared to 229).
This led us to the tentative conclusion that Asian men (who make up about 7.5 per cent of the population) are disproportionately represented among recorded group abusers. Although highly imperfect, that was the best data available to us at the time. CEOP told us that they haven’t updated their figures since then, so for now it’s the only data we have."
This is from Policing Insight "When bad evidence is worse than no evidence: Quilliam’s “grooming gangs” report and its legacy":
"It’s rare to find a publication so flawed and yet so influential as the Quilliam Foundation’s report on “grooming gangs”. Launched in December 2017 to much fanfare and little scrutiny, it spawned the now widespread statistic that “84% of grooming gang offenders” are Asian. Why should we care about a dud report? It’s simple: bad science makes for bad policy and bad practice. If misinformation isn’t challenged, then the ultimate losers will be sexually exploited children and already marginalised minority groups."
"Once again, it’s crucial to look at the bigger picture: court data show Asians weren’t over represented among roughly 172,000 men & 27,000 women convicted of any sexual offence in England & Wales in 2016. More specifically, Asians were actually underrepresented (at 4%) among the approximately 6,200 defendants prosecuted in 2015/2016 for sexual offences flagged as child abuse related."
And here you are yet again spouting the same stuff. What makes you believe that the Quilliam foundation report was a lie and channel 4 report was right?
Please show me the number of grooming gangs where the perpetrators are not Pakistani."The words in the whole report make me believe it more than the information from Quilliam. The data is from CEOP the Child Exploitation and Online Protection division of the National Crime Agency. I'll believe them over you. Show you "the number of grooming gangs where the perpetrators are not Pakistani"? There is no data on that. It doesn't exist. Have a look. | |||
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"Not that long ago if you were white you would not go into brixton or into the ST pauls area in bristol. Racism exists in every country and in every ethnic group. always has and always will, humans are tribal, to many folk its only white males that can be racist " People often say things like that. All I can say is that when I lived in London I often used to go into Brixton and now I live in Liverpool I quite often go into Toxteth. I've never had a serious problem in either place. In fact I've had more serious problems in Uxbridge on an evening than I ever had in Brixton and there are areas of Runcorn, Hyton-Roby and Ferzackly (all deprived, mostly white areas) that I'd definitely avoid after sunset. I don't believe it's the colour of the people in a neighborhood that make it either safe or unsafe but more the amount of social deprivation in the neighbourhood that decides. | |||
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" The words in the whole report make me believe it more than the information from Quilliam. The data is from CEOP the Child Exploitation and Online Protection division of the National Crime Agency. I'll believe them over you. Show you "the number of grooming gangs where the perpetrators are not Pakistani"? There is no data on that. It doesn't exist. Have a look." Words in the report makes you believe it? Looks more like a confirmation bias. In many official reports, the ethnicity of criminals haven't been recorded. The Quilliam foundation report worked by getting information case by case. And it was published by British Muslims. The home office did an investigation on this issue and for some weird reason, it is not publishing the findings. When you find news report left and right about the Pakistani grooming gangs, why is it hard for you to find a White grooming gang report? At least the left wing newspapers should have reported some? Haras Rafiq who published the report makes a beautiful point- "I am saying it is very important we do talk about it because the problem won't go away" This is something every liberal of today should learn. Instead of closing the eyes and finding excuses for these issues, if they had openly talked about how to handle them, they wouldn't have been seen as a laughing stock as they are seen now. These people are not born as ra*ists. Cultural upbringing and parenting plays a major role. I am from India. Sexual assaults is a menace there too because most of the previous generation were taught that women should dress modestly. But most of the Indians you see in other countries are highly educated people who go there getting decent jobs. Over here, when it is summer, women wear short, revealing clothes and take public transportation. Ask any south Asian friend you have if any of their family ladies dare to wear what the ladies here wear during summer and travel in a crowded bus or train back in their countries? Make it a dare and bet a lot of money and they still won't accept it. Women have lots of horror stories about public transport experiences. This is a problem we must face and fix. If we live forever in a state of denial, this problem will not go away. | |||
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" The words in the whole report make me believe it more than the information from Quilliam. The data is from CEOP the Child Exploitation and Online Protection division of the National Crime Agency. I'll believe them over you. Show you "the number of grooming gangs where the perpetrators are not Pakistani"? There is no data on that. It doesn't exist. Have a look. Words in the report makes you believe it? Looks more like a confirmation bias. In many official reports, the ethnicity of criminals haven't been recorded. The Quilliam foundation report worked by getting information case by case. And it was published by British Muslims. The home office did an investigation on this issue and for some weird reason, it is not publishing the findings. When you find news report left and right about the Pakistani grooming gangs, why is it hard for you to find a White grooming gang report? At least the left wing newspapers should have reported some? Haras Rafiq who published the report makes a beautiful point- "I am saying it is very important we do talk about it because the problem won't go away" This is something every liberal of today should learn. Instead of closing the eyes and finding excuses for these issues, if they had openly talked about how to handle them, they wouldn't have been seen as a laughing stock as they are seen now. These people are not born as ra*ists. Cultural upbringing and parenting plays a major role. I am from India. Sexual assaults is a menace there too because most of the previous generation were taught that women should dress modestly. But most of the Indians you see in other countries are highly educated people who go there getting decent jobs. Over here, when it is summer, women wear short, revealing clothes and take public transportation. Ask any south Asian friend you have if any of their family ladies dare to wear what the ladies here wear during summer and travel in a crowded bus or train back in their countries? Make it a dare and bet a lot of money and they still won't accept it. Women have lots of horror stories about public transport experiences. This is a problem we must face and fix. If we live forever in a state of denial, this problem will not go away. " I was being facetious. I meant that I had read the full articles and the CEOP report. So the combination of all of those words and the data convinced me. Muslims are perfectly capable of doing bad research. Quilliam report’s sample of just 264 convicted offenders over 12 years. I'm not saying that sexual abuse is not a problem in the Pakistani community, but objectively it is not more of a problem than any other one. I am South Asian. Many of my friends are. No, they do not dress that way on a bus. Neither do Mormons or Chinese. Women have horror stories on public transport here. Not specifically from Asian men. Especially the tube. Ask your white female friends. | |||
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"' But i'm expecting a whole host of awards at the MOBO's this time round
so to answer your question....no. there aren't any REPORTS of racism towards white people. "well done for the "lazy trope" award... re the mobo's.... a) the mobo's were invented because the BRITS didn't have categories that covered those types of music.... b) .... white people have won mobo's! in fact a fair few have! sam smith, enimen, christine aguilla, all saints, justin timberlake, the prodigy, the streets, jamiroquai, amy whitehouse, plan b, professor green.... heck.... mick hucknull has a fecking MOBO lifetime achievement award!!!!! | |||
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"' But i'm expecting a whole host of awards at the MOBO's this time round
so to answer your question....no. there aren't any REPORTS of racism towards white people.
well done for the "lazy trope" award... re the mobo's....
a) the mobo's were invented because the BRITS didn't have categories that covered those types of music....
b) .... white people have won mobo's! in fact a fair few have! sam smith, enimen, christine aguilla, all saints, justin timberlake, the prodigy, the streets, jamiroquai, amy whitehouse, plan b, professor green....
heck.... mick hucknull has a fecking MOBO lifetime achievement award!!!!!"jessie j,.... Adele..... even ed sheeran's been a nominee for a mobo! | |||
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"Every time i go for a main part in a Bollywood film.....they say 'don't call us we'll call you!' But i'm expecting a whole host of awards at the MOBO's this time round
so to answer your question....no. there aren't any REPORTS of racism towards white people. "There are a surprisingly high number of white actors in Bollywood films. It's exotic. So it's not because you are white that you don't get parts. It's because you're a bad actor 
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"As a white man living and working in Britain for most of my life I have never knowingly encountered any kind of racism towards me. I have spent the majority of my time in Manchester and have friends and family from differing ethnicities and religions and have learnt a great deal from the different ways people live their lives . Have I been lucky? Is there racism in this country directed towards white people that I don’t know about . Have I been overlooked for a job or promotion based on my skin colour? Are there any white people who have encountered this " Are you sure you are White ? Jeez a new camera needs to be got ? | |||
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"We have often been subjected to racism in Boston - we're both White and were born here - but we get abuse from white, East European immigrants in Boston because we don't dress like them. What?
Yeah, apparently abusing someone for wearing different clothes is racism? That is a first
A first!! Really? That’s some sheltered life you have lead"My mates often take the piss out of the clothes I wear, I hadn’t realised they were being racist ?? | |||
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"As a white man living and working in Britain for most of my life I have never knowingly encountered any kind of racism towards me. I have spent the majority of my time in Manchester and have friends and family from differing ethnicities and religions and have learnt a great deal from the different ways people live their lives . Have I been lucky? Is there racism in this country directed towards white people that I don’t know about . Have I been overlooked for a job or promotion based on my skin colour? Are there any white people who have encountered this Are you sure you are White ? Jeez a new camera needs to be got ?" Pardon?  | |||
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" That is terrible, awful. How many men have been caught? I hope they have all been found guilty and are serving very long sentences? I hadn't realised peodophillia was based on race , I always thought they preyed on vulnerable children who were easy to groom rather than target a specific group based on the colour of their skin . Did you know that 90% of people convicted of sex offences against children or are on the sex offenders register are white men? Even so, it is shocking to think that 10 % of the nonces in the UK are non white . Have you had any first hand experience of racism directed at yourself in the UK? How many have been caught? Plenty of them have been arrested. But every month, we hear news of a new grooming gang. The criminals are given long sentences. Some of the Rochdale grooming gang members were given 16 years in prison. But because of that stupid law of automatic release, many of them are already released. And they are living right near the houses of victims. Imagine the life of a woman who was repeatedly assaulted by these filthy creatures having to face them again daily? Pedophilia in general is not based on race. But the grooming gangs operated on race. As pointed out by others, when a religion teaches you that 'pure women' always cover their bodies from top to bottom, there will be some extremists who assume that the women who wear short skirts are sluts. Based on the victim accounts, they were verbally abused with terms like "white trash" and "white slag". If this is not racism, what is? Some facts: 1) That 90% abusers are white males was tweeted by Naz Shah, an MP. It was based on the numbers in 2011 when the grooming gangs were only beginning to be busted. And it was based on unreliable data. There were a sizeable chunk of cases where the ethnicity of offenders were marked as others/unknown. 2) This Naz Shah is a glorious lady who re-shared a tweet that said "Those abused girls in Rotherham and elsewhere just need to keep their mouth shut. For the sake of diversity." Maybe we should deport this MP first? 3) On reviewing the Rochdale case, it was found that in spite of repeated complaints about this abuse, police refused to investigate because they were afraid of accusations of racism. Isn't this racism in itself? 4) After the sentences were given, some of the criminals accused the judge for being racist. Many of these perpetrators are supposed to be deported as they have Pakistani citizenship. But they have appealed the case and are waiting for judgement. If they are going to be deported, I am pretty sure that the left wing politicians and some liberals will be out there fighting to keep them back. "  | |||
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" The words in the whole report make me believe it more than the information from Quilliam. The data is from CEOP the Child Exploitation and Online Protection division of the National Crime Agency. I'll believe them over you. Show you "the number of grooming gangs where the perpetrators are not Pakistani"? There is no data on that. It doesn't exist. Have a look. Words in the report makes you believe it? Looks more like a confirmation bias. In many official reports, the ethnicity of criminals haven't been recorded. The Quilliam foundation report worked by getting information case by case. And it was published by British Muslims. The home office did an investigation on this issue and for some weird reason, it is not publishing the findings. When you find news report left and right about the Pakistani grooming gangs, why is it hard for you to find a White grooming gang report? At least the left wing newspapers should have reported some? Haras Rafiq who published the report makes a beautiful point- "I am saying it is very important we do talk about it because the problem won't go away" This is something every liberal of today should learn. Instead of closing the eyes and finding excuses for these issues, if they had openly talked about how to handle them, they wouldn't have been seen as a laughing stock as they are seen now. These people are not born as ra*ists. Cultural upbringing and parenting plays a major role. I am from India. Sexual assaults is a menace there too because most of the previous generation were taught that women should dress modestly. But most of the Indians you see in other countries are highly educated people who go there getting decent jobs. Over here, when it is summer, women wear short, revealing clothes and take public transportation. Ask any south Asian friend you have if any of their family ladies dare to wear what the ladies here wear during summer and travel in a crowded bus or train back in their countries? Make it a dare and bet a lot of money and they still won't accept it. Women have lots of horror stories about public transport experiences. This is a problem we must face and fix. If we live forever in a state of denial, this problem will not go away. I was being facetious. I meant that I had read the full articles and the CEOP report. So the combination of all of those words and the data convinced me. Muslims are perfectly capable of doing bad research. Quilliam report’s sample of just 264 convicted offenders over 12 years. I'm not saying that sexual abuse is not a problem in the Pakistani community, but objectively it is not more of a problem than any other one. I am South Asian. Many of my friends are. No, they do not dress that way on a bus. Neither do Mormons or Chinese. Women have horror stories on public transport here. Not specifically from Asian men. Especially the tube. Ask your white female friends." 
Women here find it normal to wear anything they want. Back home, it is not even a question. Women who are comfortable wearing short skirts in the UK totally avoid it when they are in Asia. And objectively it is all same for you?
The situation was so bad that they had to have separate coaches for women in local trains. Even then there were cases of men going to women's coaches and going on with their businesses.
Have you ever been to China during summers? Women can and do wear western style summer clothing.
Germany had to give sex education classes for the refugees after seeing a number of sexual assaults. Apparently men attending them were surprised when they were told that "If a woman goes to have drinks with a man, it doesn't mean that she is willing to have sex with him".
The lack of sex or relationship education in Asian countries has been a serious cause of concern in many Asian countries and every man and woman knows it. In fact, many Indian women I know say that the reason why they migrated to the UK or the US is they can be themselves and wear whatever they want and still feel safe. Back home, if they are in party wear, they had to take a car to be safe. They don't have to think like that here.
Does sexual harrasment exist here? Yes. Is it at the same level as the Asian countries? Not even close. It can be considered same only if women back home find it comfortable to wear anything they want and confidently use public transport. | |||
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" The words in the whole report make me believe it more than the information from Quilliam. The data is from CEOP the Child Exploitation and Online Protection division of the National Crime Agency. I'll believe them over you. Show you "the number of grooming gangs where the perpetrators are not Pakistani"? There is no data on that. It doesn't exist. Have a look. Words in the report makes you believe it? Looks more like a confirmation bias. In many official reports, the ethnicity of criminals haven't been recorded. The Quilliam foundation report worked by getting information case by case. And it was published by British Muslims. The home office did an investigation on this issue and for some weird reason, it is not publishing the findings. When you find news report left and right about the Pakistani grooming gangs, why is it hard for you to find a White grooming gang report? At least the left wing newspapers should have reported some? Haras Rafiq who published the report makes a beautiful point- "I am saying it is very important we do talk about it because the problem won't go away" This is something every liberal of today should learn. Instead of closing the eyes and finding excuses for these issues, if they had openly talked about how to handle them, they wouldn't have been seen as a laughing stock as they are seen now. These people are not born as ra*ists. Cultural upbringing and parenting plays a major role. I am from India. Sexual assaults is a menace there too because most of the previous generation were taught that women should dress modestly. But most of the Indians you see in other countries are highly educated people who go there getting decent jobs. Over here, when it is summer, women wear short, revealing clothes and take public transportation. Ask any south Asian friend you have if any of their family ladies dare to wear what the ladies here wear during summer and travel in a crowded bus or train back in their countries? Make it a dare and bet a lot of money and they still won't accept it. Women have lots of horror stories about public transport experiences. This is a problem we must face and fix. If we live forever in a state of denial, this problem will not go away. I was being facetious. I meant that I had read the full articles and the CEOP report. So the combination of all of those words and the data convinced me. Muslims are perfectly capable of doing bad research. Quilliam report’s sample of just 264 convicted offenders over 12 years. I'm not saying that sexual abuse is not a problem in the Pakistani community, but objectively it is not more of a problem than any other one. I am South Asian. Many of my friends are. No, they do not dress that way on a bus. Neither do Mormons or Chinese. Women have horror stories on public transport here. Not specifically from Asian men. Especially the tube. Ask your white female friends.
Women here find it normal to wear anything they want. Back home, it is not even a question. Women who are comfortable wearing short skirts in the UK totally avoid it when they are in Asia. And objectively it is all same for you?
The situation was so bad that they had to have separate coaches for women in local trains. Even then there were cases of men going to women's coaches and going on with their businesses.
Have you ever been to China during summers? Women can and do wear western style summer clothing.
Germany had to give sex education classes for the refugees after seeing a number of sexual assaults. Apparently men attending them were surprised when they were told that "If a woman goes to have drinks with a man, it doesn't mean that she is willing to have sex with him".
The lack of sex or relationship education in Asian countries has been a serious cause of concern in many Asian countries and every man and woman knows it. In fact, many Indian women I know say that the reason why they migrated to the UK or the US is they can be themselves and wear whatever they want and still feel safe. Back home, if they are in party wear, they had to take a car to be safe. They don't have to think like that here.
Does sexual harrasment exist here? Yes. Is it at the same level as the Asian countries? Not even close. It can be considered same only if women back home find it comfortable to wear anything they want and confidently use public transport."Yes, I have been to China, and if you leave Beijing you will find that women dress far more conservatively as in many parts of the world. Most Indians are Hindus. Conservative Jews require that women remain covered as do many Christian groups. In the Amazon and South Sea Islands men and women were quite happy naked. Would that be acceptable here? Should visitors there go naked? If not, why? It's the societal norm. It will change over time, as it did here. It's not surprising that this requires teaching when people come here. What is your expectation? That everywhere in the world behaves in exactly the same way? Your own intolerance and desire to impose your views on others is indicative of how other people behave who have different opinions to you. | |||
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"It’s the societal norm in many countries of a certain ethnicity and religion to deny women’s rights , to mutilate girls private parts, to treat women worse than dogs , to routinely r@pe and abuse women and children, to deny them education. How many more hundreds of years should this be tolerated ?" Have you ever experienced racism towards yourself ? | |||
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" The words in the whole report make me believe it more than the information from Quilliam. The data is from CEOP the Child Exploitation and Online Protection division of the National Crime Agency. I'll believe them over you. Show you "the number of grooming gangs where the perpetrators are not Pakistani"? There is no data on that. It doesn't exist. Have a look. Words in the report makes you believe it? Looks more like a confirmation bias. In many official reports, the ethnicity of criminals haven't been recorded. The Quilliam foundation report worked by getting information case by case. And it was published by British Muslims. The home office did an investigation on this issue and for some weird reason, it is not publishing the findings. When you find news report left and right about the Pakistani grooming gangs, why is it hard for you to find a White grooming gang report? At least the left wing newspapers should have reported some? Haras Rafiq who published the report makes a beautiful point- "I am saying it is very important we do talk about it because the problem won't go away" This is something every liberal of today should learn. Instead of closing the eyes and finding excuses for these issues, if they had openly talked about how to handle them, they wouldn't have been seen as a laughing stock as they are seen now. These people are not born as ra*ists. Cultural upbringing and parenting plays a major role. I am from India. Sexual assaults is a menace there too because most of the previous generation were taught that women should dress modestly. But most of the Indians you see in other countries are highly educated people who go there getting decent jobs. Over here, when it is summer, women wear short, revealing clothes and take public transportation. Ask any south Asian friend you have if any of their family ladies dare to wear what the ladies here wear during summer and travel in a crowded bus or train back in their countries? Make it a dare and bet a lot of money and they still won't accept it. Women have lots of horror stories about public transport experiences. This is a problem we must face and fix. If we live forever in a state of denial, this problem will not go away. I was being facetious. I meant that I had read the full articles and the CEOP report. So the combination of all of those words and the data convinced me. Muslims are perfectly capable of doing bad research. Quilliam report’s sample of just 264 convicted offenders over 12 years. I'm not saying that sexual abuse is not a problem in the Pakistani community, but objectively it is not more of a problem than any other one. I am South Asian. Many of my friends are. No, they do not dress that way on a bus. Neither do Mormons or Chinese. Women have horror stories on public transport here. Not specifically from Asian men. Especially the tube. Ask your white female friends.
Women here find it normal to wear anything they want. Back home, it is not even a question. Women who are comfortable wearing short skirts in the UK totally avoid it when they are in Asia. And objectively it is all same for you?
The situation was so bad that they had to have separate coaches for women in local trains. Even then there were cases of men going to women's coaches and going on with their businesses.
Have you ever been to China during summers? Women can and do wear western style summer clothing.
Germany had to give sex education classes for the refugees after seeing a number of sexual assaults. Apparently men attending them were surprised when they were told that "If a woman goes to have drinks with a man, it doesn't mean that she is willing to have sex with him".
The lack of sex or relationship education in Asian countries has been a serious cause of concern in many Asian countries and every man and woman knows it. In fact, many Indian women I know say that the reason why they migrated to the UK or the US is they can be themselves and wear whatever they want and still feel safe. Back home, if they are in party wear, they had to take a car to be safe. They don't have to think like that here.
Does sexual harrasment exist here? Yes. Is it at the same level as the Asian countries? Not even close. It can be considered same only if women back home find it comfortable to wear anything they want and confidently use public transport.
Yes, I have been to China, and if you leave Beijing you will find that women dress far more conservatively as in many parts of the world.
Most Indians are Hindus.
Conservative Jews require that women remain covered as do many Christian groups.
In the Amazon and South Sea Islands men and women were quite happy naked. Would that be acceptable here? Should visitors there go naked?
If not, why?
It's the societal norm. It will change over time, as it did here. It's not surprising that this requires teaching when people come here.
What is your expectation? That everywhere in the world behaves in exactly the same way?
Your own intolerance and desire to impose your views on others is indicative of how other people behave who have different opinions to you."It could be a societal norm to expect their women to wear conservative dressing. The question here is what happens when someone decides to go against the norms? Some of these people think that any woman who goes against these societal norms are bad women and deserve to be harrassed. These are the kind of men who commit sexual assaults no matter where they go. Intolerance? Pointing out sexual harrasment is intolerance now? A woman should be able to wear what she wants wherever she goes. Women in our countries want to be free to wear what they want but couldn't because of men. Again. Who is intolerant here? Are you one of the people in the anti LGBT education protests? They were claiming the British were "intolerant" towards Muslims because they were teaching the children it was ok to be gay | |||
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"It’s the societal norm in many countries of a certain ethnicity and religion to deny women’s rights , to mutilate girls private parts, to treat women worse than dogs , to routinely r@pe and abuse women and children, to deny them education. How many more hundreds of years should this be tolerated ?" Zero days preferably. However, if they remain poor and uneducated it is unlikely to change. What's the best way to maintain the status quo or make it worse? Probably stop all foreign aid, continue accelerating climate change and encouraging resource exploitation and corruption whilst making huge arms sales and ramping up sovereign debt. Also treating them with ass much abuse and derision and prejudice as can be mustered. | |||
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" The words in the whole report make me believe it more than the information from Quilliam. The data is from CEOP the Child Exploitation and Online Protection division of the National Crime Agency. I'll believe them over you. Show you "the number of grooming gangs where the perpetrators are not Pakistani"? There is no data on that. It doesn't exist. Have a look. Words in the report makes you believe it? Looks more like a confirmation bias. In many official reports, the ethnicity of criminals haven't been recorded. The Quilliam foundation report worked by getting information case by case. And it was published by British Muslims. The home office did an investigation on this issue and for some weird reason, it is not publishing the findings. When you find news report left and right about the Pakistani grooming gangs, why is it hard for you to find a White grooming gang report? At least the left wing newspapers should have reported some? Haras Rafiq who published the report makes a beautiful point- "I am saying it is very important we do talk about it because the problem won't go away" This is something every liberal of today should learn. Instead of closing the eyes and finding excuses for these issues, if they had openly talked about how to handle them, they wouldn't have been seen as a laughing stock as they are seen now. These people are not born as ra*ists. Cultural upbringing and parenting plays a major role. I am from India. Sexual assaults is a menace there too because most of the previous generation were taught that women should dress modestly. But most of the Indians you see in other countries are highly educated people who go there getting decent jobs. Over here, when it is summer, women wear short, revealing clothes and take public transportation. Ask any south Asian friend you have if any of their family ladies dare to wear what the ladies here wear during summer and travel in a crowded bus or train back in their countries? Make it a dare and bet a lot of money and they still won't accept it. Women have lots of horror stories about public transport experiences. This is a problem we must face and fix. If we live forever in a state of denial, this problem will not go away. I was being facetious. I meant that I had read the full articles and the CEOP report. So the combination of all of those words and the data convinced me. Muslims are perfectly capable of doing bad research. Quilliam report’s sample of just 264 convicted offenders over 12 years. I'm not saying that sexual abuse is not a problem in the Pakistani community, but objectively it is not more of a problem than any other one. I am South Asian. Many of my friends are. No, they do not dress that way on a bus. Neither do Mormons or Chinese. Women have horror stories on public transport here. Not specifically from Asian men. Especially the tube. Ask your white female friends.
Women here find it normal to wear anything they want. Back home, it is not even a question. Women who are comfortable wearing short skirts in the UK totally avoid it when they are in Asia. And objectively it is all same for you?
The situation was so bad that they had to have separate coaches for women in local trains. Even then there were cases of men going to women's coaches and going on with their businesses.
Have you ever been to China during summers? Women can and do wear western style summer clothing.
Germany had to give sex education classes for the refugees after seeing a number of sexual assaults. Apparently men attending them were surprised when they were told that "If a woman goes to have drinks with a man, it doesn't mean that she is willing to have sex with him".
The lack of sex or relationship education in Asian countries has been a serious cause of concern in many Asian countries and every man and woman knows it. In fact, many Indian women I know say that the reason why they migrated to the UK or the US is they can be themselves and wear whatever they want and still feel safe. Back home, if they are in party wear, they had to take a car to be safe. They don't have to think like that here.
Does sexual harrasment exist here? Yes. Is it at the same level as the Asian countries? Not even close. It can be considered same only if women back home find it comfortable to wear anything they want and confidently use public transport.
Yes, I have been to China, and if you leave Beijing you will find that women dress far more conservatively as in many parts of the world.
Most Indians are Hindus.
Conservative Jews require that women remain covered as do many Christian groups.
In the Amazon and South Sea Islands men and women were quite happy naked. Would that be acceptable here? Should visitors there go naked?
If not, why?
It's the societal norm. It will change over time, as it did here. It's not surprising that this requires teaching when people come here.
What is your expectation? That everywhere in the world behaves in exactly the same way?
Your own intolerance and desire to impose your views on others is indicative of how other people behave who have different opinions to you.
It could be a societal norm to expect their women to wear conservative dressing. The question here is what happens when someone decides to go against the norms? Some of these people think that any woman who goes against these societal norms are bad women and deserve to be harrassed. These are the kind of men who commit sexual assaults no matter where they go.
Intolerance? Pointing out sexual harrasment is intolerance now? A woman should be able to wear what she wants wherever she goes. Women in our countries want to be free to wear what they want but couldn't because of men. Again. Who is intolerant here?
Are you one of the people in the anti LGBT education protests? They were claiming the British were "intolerant" towards Muslims because they were teaching the children it was ok to be gay "Those same men exist here. They have less license to do it openly, but they do in offices and bars everywhere. A woman should be free to where what she wants. As should a man or someone transgender. In Thailand "respectable" women remain covered whilst, literally, whores do not. However, wider society is far more tolerant of trans women. India too. What's going on there then? Why would you ask me that last question? You are the one displaying the most intolerance here. Why pretend that I am defending those protestors? Just because I disagree with your prejudices it doesn't mean that I agree with others prejudices. | |||
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". Have I been lucky? Is there racism in this country directed towards white people that I don’t know about, . You've got your finger on the pulse again hey?. Have you read much about the upto 100,000 almost exclusively white girls thats been groomed by Pakistanis which according to the official reports had racism at it's heart and fear of upsetting the Pakistani community at the heart of sweeping it under the carpet by the police?. It's been in the news and everything
Shocking , and they were only groomed because of the colour of their skin? That is awful. Have you any first hand experience of racism directed at yourself ?.
Not the only reason no but when the victims write statements like "i was gang r#ped by hundreds of Pakistani men they called me white slag and white cunt and beat me.
Then there was the actual perpetrators court statements to police "white women deserved it because they dress like slags, they show the curves of their bodies which means there asking for it, they deserve to be gang r@ped".
And then of course there was the Muslim community leader who said "the views of some Islamic teachers towards white women is appalling they encourage their followers to believe that white women are immoral, habitually promiscuous, decadent and sleazy, according to this mentality these white women deserve to be degraded and belittled".
Now I don't know about you but those UPTO 100,000 white girls seem enough victims to me don't you think?.
Or do you need more evidence is this not satisfactory to you?.
Ah. The Pakistani paedophile thread again. How I've missed the same select phrases being repeated again.
There are, according to The Times 100,000 children who are at risk of sexual abuse in total in the UK. The only other information I can find for 100,000 in that context is Nigel Farage's recruitment to the Brexit Party. Curious.
The abuse carried out by these gangs was as bad as it gets. The fact that they used racially abusive terms cannot be particularly surprising. They preyed on the most vulnerable and they are predominantly white.
From FullFact "What do we know about the ethnicity of people involved in sexual offences against children?"
"Where offenders’ ethnicity was known, 81% of people convicted of sexual offences in 2014 were white, 7% were black and 9% were Asian in 2014. These proportions were similar over the previous four years. The government told us it doesn’t regularly publish information on the ethnicity of those found guilty of sexual offences so there is no more recent information."
This is from Channel 4 https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-just-three-of-englands-39-police-forces-say-theyve-never-investigated-a-grooming-gang
"a 2013 study by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection division of the National Crime Agency using data requested from police forces — indicated that Asian men had carried out 75 per cent of recorded “Type 1” group abuse, where victims were targeted because they’re vulnerable.
The same study found that 100 per cent of recorded “Type 2” group abusers — who abused children because of an overtly paedophilic interest — were white. However, Type 2 abusers were more likely to operate in pairs rather than larger groups, so the number of recorded white group-abusers was lower than the recorded number of Asian group-abusers (70 compared to 229).
This led us to the tentative conclusion that Asian men (who make up about 7.5 per cent of the population) are disproportionately represented among recorded group abusers. Although highly imperfect, that was the best data available to us at the time. CEOP told us that they haven’t updated their figures since then, so for now it’s the only data we have."
This is from Policing Insight "When bad evidence is worse than no evidence: Quilliam’s “grooming gangs” report and its legacy":
"It’s rare to find a publication so flawed and yet so influential as the Quilliam Foundation’s report on “grooming gangs”. Launched in December 2017 to much fanfare and little scrutiny, it spawned the now widespread statistic that “84% of grooming gang offenders” are Asian. Why should we care about a dud report? It’s simple: bad science makes for bad policy and bad practice. If misinformation isn’t challenged, then the ultimate losers will be sexually exploited children and already marginalised minority groups."
"Once again, it’s crucial to look at the bigger picture: court data show Asians weren’t over represented among roughly 172,000 men & 27,000 women convicted of any sexual offence in England & Wales in 2016. More specifically, Asians were actually underrepresented (at 4%) among the approximately 6,200 defendants prosecuted in 2015/2016 for sexual offences flagged as child abuse related."". I might have known you of all people would be the person to belittle those statements!!!. Firstly the upto 100,000 girls figure is straight out of the government report, the actual known figure is 19,500. Secondly those are direct quotes from victims, perpetrators and local community leaders but yea you still no better than them?. Thirdly the quilliam Foundation is run by three Pakistani Muslim men why would you even think there making the figures up? The official body do not collect ethnicity or religion of victims or perpetrators therefore they sampled so many known cases where it had been self identified to get those figures but hell don't believe them just look at the bloody pictures of the perps in the newspapers. Fourthly what about the white pedophiles? Well done on that bit of whataboutery, soooo most pedophiles are white in a mostly white country, your a geniarse indeed. Fifthly Asian men weren't overrepresented in sex abuse crimes in England,well duh,I guess you missed the news that the police have been not bothering arresting most of them because of fear of being called racist? .
But take a look at the spike since 2016 when the shit hit the fan, this ain't even close to over, there 2.5%(I say this because these men aren't mostly Asian there mostly Pakistani/Bangladeshi) of the population doing 84% of this particular sex crime.
And finally your still using 2013 reports as fact when we know there was a wholesale cover up of this whole shit show by the police, social services, politicians the media and everybody else in 2013 while I may add at the same time running a media hatchet job in 2009 on that little toe rag Mr Robinson who was saying this exact thing, you've literally just done what the media did to him when he openly talked about this problem, obfuscate with bollocks, deny there's a problem, but look over there at whites, argue about the number of victims (as if that actually matters), claim there wearing a tinfoil hat if you say the police, social services and politicians are covering it up.
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". Have I been lucky? Is there racism in this country directed towards white people that I don’t know about, . You've got your finger on the pulse again hey?. Have you read much about the upto 100,000 almost exclusively white girls thats been groomed by Pakistanis which according to the official reports had racism at it's heart and fear of upsetting the Pakistani community at the heart of sweeping it under the carpet by the police?. It's been in the news and everything
Shocking , and they were only groomed because of the colour of their skin? That is awful. Have you any first hand experience of racism directed at yourself ?.
Not the only reason no but when the victims write statements like "i was gang r#ped by hundreds of Pakistani men they called me white slag and white cunt and beat me.
Then there was the actual perpetrators court statements to police "white women deserved it because they dress like slags, they show the curves of their bodies which means there asking for it, they deserve to be gang r@ped".
And then of course there was the Muslim community leader who said "the views of some Islamic teachers towards white women is appalling they encourage their followers to believe that white women are immoral, habitually promiscuous, decadent and sleazy, according to this mentality these white women deserve to be degraded and belittled".
Now I don't know about you but those UPTO 100,000 white girls seem enough victims to me don't you think?.
Or do you need more evidence is this not satisfactory to you?.
Ah. The Pakistani paedophile thread again. How I've missed the same select phrases being repeated again.
There are, according to The Times 100,000 children who are at risk of sexual abuse in total in the UK. The only other information I can find for 100,000 in that context is Nigel Farage's recruitment to the Brexit Party. Curious.
The abuse carried out by these gangs was as bad as it gets. The fact that they used racially abusive terms cannot be particularly surprising. They preyed on the most vulnerable and they are predominantly white.
From FullFact "What do we know about the ethnicity of people involved in sexual offences against children?"
"Where offenders’ ethnicity was known, 81% of people convicted of sexual offences in 2014 were white, 7% were black and 9% were Asian in 2014. These proportions were similar over the previous four years. The government told us it doesn’t regularly publish information on the ethnicity of those found guilty of sexual offences so there is no more recent information."
This is from Channel 4 https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-just-three-of-englands-39-police-forces-say-theyve-never-investigated-a-grooming-gang
"a 2013 study by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection division of the National Crime Agency using data requested from police forces — indicated that Asian men had carried out 75 per cent of recorded “Type 1” group abuse, where victims were targeted because they’re vulnerable.
The same study found that 100 per cent of recorded “Type 2” group abusers — who abused children because of an overtly paedophilic interest — were white. However, Type 2 abusers were more likely to operate in pairs rather than larger groups, so the number of recorded white group-abusers was lower than the recorded number of Asian group-abusers (70 compared to 229).
This led us to the tentative conclusion that Asian men (who make up about 7.5 per cent of the population) are disproportionately represented among recorded group abusers. Although highly imperfect, that was the best data available to us at the time. CEOP told us that they haven’t updated their figures since then, so for now it’s the only data we have."
This is from Policing Insight "When bad evidence is worse than no evidence: Quilliam’s “grooming gangs” report and its legacy":
"It’s rare to find a publication so flawed and yet so influential as the Quilliam Foundation’s report on “grooming gangs”. Launched in December 2017 to much fanfare and little scrutiny, it spawned the now widespread statistic that “84% of grooming gang offenders” are Asian. Why should we care about a dud report? It’s simple: bad science makes for bad policy and bad practice. If misinformation isn’t challenged, then the ultimate losers will be sexually exploited children and already marginalised minority groups."
"Once again, it’s crucial to look at the bigger picture: court data show Asians weren’t over represented among roughly 172,000 men & 27,000 women convicted of any sexual offence in England & Wales in 2016. More specifically, Asians were actually underrepresented (at 4%) among the approximately 6,200 defendants prosecuted in 2015/2016 for sexual offences flagged as child abuse related.".
I might have known you of all people would be the person to belittle those statements!!!.
Firstly the upto 100,000 girls figure is straight out of the government report, the actual known figure is 19,500.
Secondly those are direct quotes from victims, perpetrators and local community leaders but yea you still no better than them?.
Thirdly the quilliam Foundation is run by three Pakistani Muslim men why would you even think there making the figures up? The official body do not collect ethnicity or religion of victims or perpetrators therefore they sampled so many known cases where it had been self identified to get those figures but hell don't believe them just look at the bloody pictures of the perps in the newspapers.
Fourthly what about the white pedophiles? Well done on that bit of whataboutery, soooo most pedophiles are white in a mostly white country, your a geniarse indeed.
Fifthly Asian men weren't overrepresented in sex abuse crimes in England,well duh,I guess you missed the news that the police have been not bothering arresting most of them because of fear of being called racist? .
But take a look at the spike since 2016 when the shit hit the fan, this ain't even close to over, there 2.5%(I say this because these men aren't mostly Asian there mostly Pakistani/Bangladeshi) of the population doing 84% of this particular sex crime.
And finally your still using 2013 reports as fact when we know there was a wholesale cover up of this whole shit show by the police, social services, politicians the media and everybody else in 2013 while I may add at the same time running a media hatchet job in 2009 on that little toe rag Mr Robinson who was saying this exact thing, you've literally just done what the media did to him when he openly talked about this problem, obfuscate with bollocks, deny there's a problem, but look over there at whites, argue about the number of victims (as if that actually matters), claim there wearing a tinfoil hat if you say the police, social services and politicians are covering it up.
And all of which, everything he said was now shown to be absolutely true. "Sigh. I have given you actual data, with references. As usual you write what you believe. You will, naturally write "use Google" in response so that you don't have to list the conspiracy sites and dubious "news" sources that you appear to get your information from
1. What "government report"?
2. I didn't say that racist abuse wasn't one of the many disgusting things that these men perpetrated on these girls. That's a very long way from racism being the motivating factor
3. The Quilliam report’s sample of just 264 convicted offenders over 12 years. Pakistani Muslim men are as capable of conducting bad research as anyone else
4. It is not "whataboutery" as the statistics demonstrate that the proportion of abusers is not significantly higher in coloured communities than amongst the white community. It just takes a different form. You are claiming that there is a specific issue. The data does not support you.
5. There is no data to indicate if those from a Pakistani or Bangladeshi background are more likely to offend in this way. This data is not collected nationally in the crime statistics so all you have are newspaper headlines. You are welcome to show your working if you are able to. Claiming that a lack of data proves something is dumb.
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not really.... the person who wrote that nugget was from belfast... so i was pointing out that they don't get to hold the "moral high ground" anywhere else if you don't recognise it happening right under your nose......."Layered whataboutery. | |||
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"We have often been subjected to racism in Boston - we're both White and were born here - but we get abuse from white, East European immigrants in Boston because we don't dress like them. Do you think that is racism?? It doesn’t sound good but are they abusing you because of the colour of your skin? It's racism when they use phrases like, "fucking English kulva" I don't know a curse like Kulva That was autocorrect, it should've said, "Kurwa". And yes we DO know they're Eastern European, there are plenty of them around here, so easy to recognise - and as it happens, we have friends who are Portugese, Hungarian and South African (before you call us racist) I didn't mean to call you a racist. Where does this idea come from? The word "kurwa" is very popular not only in Eastern Europe. Why are they so easy to recognize? Are they homeless? Are they looking for food in the trash cans? I do not really understand that. They hang around in large groups - all men - outside EU shops, speaking in their own languages, all dressed in similar clothes." Are they 'influencers' aiming to increase the sales of clothing, so everyone dresses alike? I'm curious how they dress too. | |||
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"We have often been subjected to racism in Boston - we're both White and were born here - but we get abuse from white, East European immigrants in Boston because we don't dress like them. Do you think that is racism?? It doesn’t sound good but are they abusing you because of the colour of your skin? It's racism when they use phrases like, "fucking English kulva" I don't know a curse like Kulva That was autocorrect, it should've said, "Kurwa". And yes we DO know they're Eastern European, there are plenty of them around here, so easy to recognise - and as it happens, we have friends who are Portugese, Hungarian and South African (before you call us racist) I didn't mean to call you a racist. Where does this idea come from? The word "kurwa" is very popular not only in Eastern Europe. Why are they so easy to recognize? Are they homeless? Are they looking for food in the trash cans? I do not really understand that. They hang around in large groups - all men - outside EU shops, speaking in their own languages, all dressed in similar clothes. Are they 'influencers' aiming to increase the sales of clothing, so everyone dresses alike? I'm curious how they dress too. " Never mind their clothes, I want to go to an EU shop, but I fear I won’t be allowed now we have left the EU. Gutted | |||
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". Have I been lucky? Is there racism in this country directed towards white people that I don’t know about, . You've got your finger on the pulse again hey?. Have you read much about the upto 100,000 almost exclusively white girls thats been groomed by Pakistanis which according to the official reports had racism at it's heart and fear of upsetting the Pakistani community at the heart of sweeping it under the carpet by the police?. It's been in the news and everything
Shocking , and they were only groomed because of the colour of their skin? That is awful. Have you any first hand experience of racism directed at yourself ?.
Not the only reason no but when the victims write statements like "i was gang r#ped by hundreds of Pakistani men they called me white slag and white cunt and beat me.
Then there was the actual perpetrators court statements to police "white women deserved it because they dress like slags, they show the curves of their bodies which means there asking for it, they deserve to be gang r@ped".
And then of course there was the Muslim community leader who said "the views of some Islamic teachers towards white women is appalling they encourage their followers to believe that white women are immoral, habitually promiscuous, decadent and sleazy, according to this mentality these white women deserve to be degraded and belittled".
Now I don't know about you but those UPTO 100,000 white girls seem enough victims to me don't you think?.
Or do you need more evidence is this not satisfactory to you?.
Ah. The Pakistani paedophile thread again. How I've missed the same select phrases being repeated again.
There are, according to The Times 100,000 children who are at risk of sexual abuse in total in the UK. The only other information I can find for 100,000 in that context is Nigel Farage's recruitment to the Brexit Party. Curious.
The abuse carried out by these gangs was as bad as it gets. The fact that they used racially abusive terms cannot be particularly surprising. They preyed on the most vulnerable and they are predominantly white.
From FullFact "What do we know about the ethnicity of people involved in sexual offences against children?"
"Where offenders’ ethnicity was known, 81% of people convicted of sexual offences in 2014 were white, 7% were black and 9% were Asian in 2014. These proportions were similar over the previous four years. The government told us it doesn’t regularly publish information on the ethnicity of those found guilty of sexual offences so there is no more recent information."
This is from Channel 4 https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-just-three-of-englands-39-police-forces-say-theyve-never-investigated-a-grooming-gang
"a 2013 study by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection division of the National Crime Agency using data requested from police forces — indicated that Asian men had carried out 75 per cent of recorded “Type 1” group abuse, where victims were targeted because they’re vulnerable.
The same study found that 100 per cent of recorded “Type 2” group abusers — who abused children because of an overtly paedophilic interest — were white. However, Type 2 abusers were more likely to operate in pairs rather than larger groups, so the number of recorded white group-abusers was lower than the recorded number of Asian group-abusers (70 compared to 229).
This led us to the tentative conclusion that Asian men (who make up about 7.5 per cent of the population) are disproportionately represented among recorded group abusers. Although highly imperfect, that was the best data available to us at the time. CEOP told us that they haven’t updated their figures since then, so for now it’s the only data we have."
This is from Policing Insight "When bad evidence is worse than no evidence: Quilliam’s “grooming gangs” report and its legacy":
"It’s rare to find a publication so flawed and yet so influential as the Quilliam Foundation’s report on “grooming gangs”. Launched in December 2017 to much fanfare and little scrutiny, it spawned the now widespread statistic that “84% of grooming gang offenders” are Asian. Why should we care about a dud report? It’s simple: bad science makes for bad policy and bad practice. If misinformation isn’t challenged, then the ultimate losers will be sexually exploited children and already marginalised minority groups."
"Once again, it’s crucial to look at the bigger picture: court data show Asians weren’t over represented among roughly 172,000 men & 27,000 women convicted of any sexual offence in England & Wales in 2016. More specifically, Asians were actually underrepresented (at 4%) among the approximately 6,200 defendants prosecuted in 2015/2016 for sexual offences flagged as child abuse related.".
I might have known you of all people would be the person to belittle those statements!!!.
Firstly the upto 100,000 girls figure is straight out of the government report, the actual known figure is 19,500.
Secondly those are direct quotes from victims, perpetrators and local community leaders but yea you still no better than them?.
Thirdly the quilliam Foundation is run by three Pakistani Muslim men why would you even think there making the figures up? The official body do not collect ethnicity or religion of victims or perpetrators therefore they sampled so many known cases where it had been self identified to get those figures but hell don't believe them just look at the bloody pictures of the perps in the newspapers.
Fourthly what about the white pedophiles? Well done on that bit of whataboutery, soooo most pedophiles are white in a mostly white country, your a geniarse indeed.
Fifthly Asian men weren't overrepresented in sex abuse crimes in England,well duh,I guess you missed the news that the police have been not bothering arresting most of them because of fear of being called racist? .
But take a look at the spike since 2016 when the shit hit the fan, this ain't even close to over, there 2.5%(I say this because these men aren't mostly Asian there mostly Pakistani/Bangladeshi) of the population doing 84% of this particular sex crime.
And finally your still using 2013 reports as fact when we know there was a wholesale cover up of this whole shit show by the police, social services, politicians the media and everybody else in 2013 while I may add at the same time running a media hatchet job in 2009 on that little toe rag Mr Robinson who was saying this exact thing, you've literally just done what the media did to him when he openly talked about this problem, obfuscate with bollocks, deny there's a problem, but look over there at whites, argue about the number of victims (as if that actually matters), claim there wearing a tinfoil hat if you say the police, social services and politicians are covering it up.
And all of which, everything he said was now shown to be absolutely true.
Sigh. I have given you actual data, with references. As usual you write what you believe. You will, naturally write "use Google" in response so that you don't have to list the conspiracy sites and dubious "news" sources that you appear to get your information from
1. What "government report"?
2. I didn't say that racist abuse wasn't one of the many disgusting things that these men perpetrated on these girls. That's a very long way from racism being the motivating factor
3. The Quilliam report’s sample of just 264 convicted offenders over 12 years. Pakistani Muslim men are as capable of conducting bad research as anyone else
4. It is not "whataboutery" as the statistics demonstrate that the proportion of abusers is not significantly higher in coloured communities than amongst the white community. It just takes a different form. You are claiming that there is a specific issue. The data does not support you.
5. There is no data to indicate if those from a Pakistani or Bangladeshi background are more likely to offend in this way. This data is not collected nationally in the crime statistics so all you have are newspaper headlines. You are welcome to show your working if you are able to. Claiming that a lack of data proves something is dumb.
The rest of what you wrote is quite blah, blah.". GMP just had one, jay report into Rotherham, just try reading one. The iopc specifically into the Manchester gang concluded the victims were all white and the perpetrators almost exclusively South Asian, they go on to say this is seen in all the rest from Newcastle to Telford. Your going to an awful lot of effort to try to deny what all the official bodies now have reluctantly come to the same conclusion. Remind me again where your heritage is from?. Ps there's now investigations into two suspicious deaths in Manchester, five in Telford including the suspicious death of patents of one victim, three in Newcastle, one in Oxford. You in your wisdom have decided it's racist abuse but not racially motivated yet you've ignored the very three statements of a victim a perpetrator and a local Muslim leader who all says it was. Fuck me pal do yourself a favour and stop digging a big hole and take some of that bullshit your talking and just do one simple exercise. Reverse the colours of victims and perpetrators and tell me it's nothing to do with racism. | |||
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"It's not race to blame, it's religion. " Yes, it is also the ideology within that religion. Supply and demand. ! People make money and a living out of a demand. Not quite gone are the days, When a pervert child mo lester enticed children with sweets. Today it is on a grander scale, As we have seen, it is rampant in most cities and towns through out the country. Vulnerable children are no longer enticed with sweets. They are groomed with the offer of money and drugs. These grooming gangs make their money from delivering young girls and boys to their clientele. Who are their clientele ! And how far up the food chain do they go. Would the people at the top of that chain feel threatened if the pimping gangs were exposed. You know the answer to that. Hence the reason Tommy was silenced. And falsely accusing him of being a racist. | |||
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"It's not race to blame, it's religion. Yes, it is also the ideology within that religion. Supply and demand. ! People make money and a living out of a demand. Not quite gone are the days, When a pervert child mo lester enticed children with sweets. Today it is on a grander scale, As we have seen, it is rampant in most cities and towns through out the country. Vulnerable children are no longer enticed with sweets. They are groomed with the offer of money and drugs. These grooming gangs make their money from delivering young girls and boys to their clientele. Who are their clientele ! And how far up the food chain do they go. Would the people at the top of that chain feel threatened if the pimping gangs were exposed. You know the answer to that. Hence the reason Tommy was silenced. And falsely accusing him of being a racist." Who is Tommy? | |||
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Pardon? What was that about? .
Humour.
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Pardon? What was that about? .
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You'll probably struggle with it
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" Sigh. I have given you actual data, with references. As usual you write what you believe. You will, naturally write "use Google" in response so that you don't have to list the conspiracy sites and dubious "news" sources that you appear to get your information from
1. What "government report"?
2. I didn't say that racist abuse wasn't one of the many disgusting things that these men perpetrated on these girls. That's a very long way from racism being the motivating factor
3. The Quilliam report’s sample of just 264 convicted offenders over 12 years. Pakistani Muslim men are as capable of conducting bad research as anyone else
4. It is not "whataboutery" as the statistics demonstrate that the proportion of abusers is not significantly higher in coloured communities than amongst the white community. It just takes a different form. You are claiming that there is a specific issue. The data does not support you.
5. There is no data to indicate if those from a Pakistani or Bangladeshi background are more likely to offend in this way. This data is not collected nationally in the crime statistics so all you have are newspaper headlines. You are welcome to show your working if you are able to. Claiming that a lack of data proves something is dumb.
The rest of what you wrote is quite blah, blah..
GMP just had one, jay report into Rotherham, just try reading one.
The iopc specifically into the Manchester gang concluded the victims were all white and the perpetrators almost exclusively South Asian, they go on to say this is seen in all the rest from Newcastle to Telford.
Your going to an awful lot of effort to try to deny what all the official bodies now have reluctantly come to the same conclusion. Remind me again where your heritage is from?.
Ps there's now investigations into two suspicious deaths in Manchester, five in Telford including the suspicious death of patents of one victim, three in Newcastle, one in Oxford.
You in your wisdom have decided it's racist abuse but not racially motivated yet you've ignored the very three statements of a victim a perpetrator and a local Muslim leader who all says it was.
Fuck me pal do yourself a favour and stop digging a big hole and take some of that bullshit your talking and just do one simple exercise.
Reverse the colours of victims and perpetrators and tell me it's nothing to do with racism. "So, as usual, you are completely wrong about both the conclusions drawn in both Coffey report and the Jay report. The overall conclusion is of Police and social care incompetence with a strong concern that some crimes were not investigated fully enough either because the girls were considered untrustworthy/undeserving of help or there were concerns about "upsetting" specific communities. Neither of those things should have happened. I have said that the perpetrators clearly did use racist language and probably used it in a messed up way to justify their abhorrent behaviour to themselves in the same way that white abusers find some pretext to excuse their own behaviour. The point is that this is not the same as race motivating what they did. The fact that they are disgusting men motivated what they did. White or Asian or whatever else. I really don't see why you feel the need to hold one abuse by people of a particular background as somehow being more objectionable or requiring greater attention than those committed by a different group of people. It has now been brought to light and far more emphasis will be placed upon it. Sadly this may lead to crimes by non-Asian men being under-reported by even more. Two quotes below, but both reports pretty much completely rubbish what you've been saying. Enjoy
Coffey:
"High-profile court cases, such as Rochdale, have elevated
CSE into the public consciousness, but at the same time
have left the impression that CSE is only about vulnerable
white girls being exploited by groups of Asian men.
This isn’t the case, as GMP figures show that 10.34 per
cent of recorded crimes currently being investigated
involve multiple offenders, with the remaining being
single perpetrators. The Rochdale Sunrise CSE team
also told me that about 15 per cent of their cases involve
groups, with the other 85 per cent being single offenders
including peer on peer (where young people sexually
exploit other young people).
It is important that the public understand the many forms
of CSE so that they are better able to protect children and
not miss signs."
Jay:
"The Deputy Children's Commissioner’s report reached a similar conclusion to the
Muslim Women's Network research, stating 'one of these myths was that only white
girls are victims of sexual exploitation by Asian or Muslim males, as if these men only
abuse outside of their own community, driven by hatred and contempt for white
females. This belief flies in the face of evidence that shows that those who violate
children are most likely to target those who are closest to them and most easily
accessible.' The Home Affairs Select Committee quoted witnesses saying that cases
of Asian men grooming Asian girls did not come to light because victims 'are often
alienated and ostracised by their own families and by the whole community, if they go
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"We have often been subjected to racism in Boston - we're both White and were born here - but we get abuse from white, East European immigrants in Boston because we don't dress like them. Do you think that is racism?? It doesn’t sound good but are they abusing you because of the colour of your skin? It's racism when they use phrases like, "fucking English kulva" I don't know a curse like Kulva That was autocorrect, it should've said, "Kurwa". And yes we DO know they're Eastern European, there are plenty of them around here, so easy to recognise - and as it happens, we have friends who are Portugese, Hungarian and South African (before you call us racist) I didn't mean to call you a racist. Where does this idea come from? The word "kurwa" is very popular not only in Eastern Europe. Why are they so easy to recognize? Are they homeless? Are they looking for food in the trash cans? I do not really understand that. They hang around in large groups - all men - outside EU shops, speaking in their own languages, all dressed in similar clothes. Are they 'influencers' aiming to increase the sales of clothing, so everyone dresses alike? I'm curious how they dress too. Never mind their clothes, I want to go to an EU shop, but I fear I won’t be allowed now we have left the EU. Gutted " You don't need to worry about that. Everyone is welcome in "EU shop". | |||
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"We have often been subjected to racism in Boston - we're both White and were born here - but we get abuse from white, East European immigrants in Boston because we don't dress like them. Do you think that is racism?? It doesn’t sound good but are they abusing you because of the colour of your skin? It's racism when they use phrases like, "fucking English kulva" I don't know a curse like Kulva That was autocorrect, it should've said, "Kurwa". And yes we DO know they're Eastern European, there are plenty of them around here, so easy to recognise - and as it happens, we have friends who are Portugese, Hungarian and South African (before you call us racist) I didn't mean to call you a racist. Where does this idea come from? The word "kurwa" is very popular not only in Eastern Europe. Why are they so easy to recognize? Are they homeless? Are they looking for food in the trash cans? I do not really understand that. They hang around in large groups - all men - outside EU shops, speaking in their own languages, all dressed in similar clothes. Are they 'influencers' aiming to increase the sales of clothing, so everyone dresses alike? I'm curious how they dress too. Never mind their clothes, I want to go to an EU shop, but I fear I won’t be allowed now we have left the EU. Gutted You don't need to worry about that. Everyone is welcome in "EU shop". "Good, I just hope their prices don’t go up though | |||
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Hilarious lol lol lol
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Ok, I'll move on with my day "Good idea, maybe they will be able to explain the joke and I can enjoy laughing at as well. Airplane is a decent film but I honestly don’t recall that bit | |||
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Hilarious lol lol lol
I must be a bit slow today
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Ok, I'll move on with my day
Good idea, maybe they will be able to explain the joke and I can enjoy laughing at as well. Airplane is a decent film but I honestly don’t recall that bit "It is a good film, maybe we should watch it again and all will be revealed | |||
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Hilarious lol lol lol
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Ok, I'll move on with my day
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Hilarious lol lol lol
I must be a bit slow today
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Ok, I'll move on with my day
Good idea, maybe they will be able to explain the joke and I can enjoy laughing at as well. Airplane is a decent film but I honestly don’t recall that bit ". Decent!!! It's a bloody classic, well to people with a sense of humour | |||
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Hilarious lol lol lol
I must be a bit slow today
Don’t worry, I think I know why certain people find it funny . ,
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Good idea, maybe they will be able to explain the joke and I can enjoy laughing at as well. Airplane is a decent film but I honestly don’t recall that bit .
Decent!!!
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No he's wasting his time, you and your Shadow easy would defend anything if it's in your political narrative, this is self evident to what you ilk did to Sarah champion.
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Hilarious lol lol lol
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Ok, I'll move on with my day
Good idea, maybe they will be able to explain the joke and I can enjoy laughing at as well. Airplane is a decent film but I honestly don’t recall that bit .
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Hilarious lol lol lol
I must be a bit slow today
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Good idea, maybe they will be able to explain the joke and I can enjoy laughing at as well. Airplane is a decent film but I honestly don’t recall that bit .
Decent!!!
It's a bloody classic, well to people with a sense of humour
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"It's not race to blame, it's religion. It's not possible that it just that they are horrible people? Why is what Asian grooming gangs do the fault of religion but not what white men do the fault of something other than themselves? The clue is in the word "gangs". Is it, are you going to elaborate? Or are you being deliberately vague because you don’t really have a point to make .
No he's wasting his time, you and your Shadow easy would defend anything if it's in your political narrative, this is self evident to what you ilk did to Sarah champion.
Your far more dangerous than even Tommy Robinson could ever be because your deceitful and clever with your slant."Why don't you explain what he means then as he seems unable to? Blah, blah, Tommy Robinson, blah, blah, your deceitful and clever. Now you are just sulking and whining. There is no "political" narrative. You've been shown the data, the analysis and the reports but maintain your position that somehow abuse perpetrated by one group of people is worse than that by another. It is not. It is all horrible and due to the fact that they are disgusting individuals whatever their background. | |||
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"The ONS estimates that Asians comprise 7.5% of the UK population . Yet over 50% of grooming gangs comprise Asian men . You do the math " Back to the OP .Have you ever been racially abused in the UK | |||
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"It's not race to blame, it's religion. It's not possible that it just that they are horrible people? Why is what Asian grooming gangs do the fault of religion but not what white men do the fault of something other than themselves? The clue is in the word "gangs". Is it, are you going to elaborate? Or are you being deliberately vague because you don’t really have a point to make .
No he's wasting his time, you and your Shadow easy would defend anything if it's in your political narrative, this is self evident to what you ilk did to Sarah champion.
Your far more dangerous than even Tommy Robinson could ever be because your deceitful and clever with your slant.
Why don't you explain what he means then as he seems unable to?
Blah, blah, Tommy Robinson, blah, blah, your deceitful and clever.
Now you are just sulking and whining.
There is no "political" narrative. You've been shown the data, the analysis and the reports but maintain your position that somehow abuse perpetrated by one group of people is worse than that by another. It is not. It is all horrible and due to the fact that they are disgusting individuals whatever their background. ". You can't solve a problem until you understand it and how it came about. If you could find me the group of any other males who only knew each other through work/religious worship who then openly conspired with 20 others all in the same boat to groom children into sex slaves, threaten to kill (and looks like they may have) there parents if they talk and quite frankly didn't even hide it that well such was there entitlement to the act, and then times it by 20 other towns(that we know about up to now) who all followed the exact same formula then I'll concede it's not cultural by nature, religious by design and racist at heart. Until then I'll keep my suspicions about why YOUR in such denial. | |||
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"It's not race to blame, it's religion. It's not possible that it just that they are horrible people? Why is what Asian grooming gangs do the fault of religion but not what white men do the fault of something other than themselves? The clue is in the word "gangs". Is it, are you going to elaborate? Or are you being deliberately vague because you don’t really have a point to make .
No he's wasting his time, you and your Shadow easy would defend anything if it's in your political narrative, this is self evident to what you ilk did to Sarah champion.
Your far more dangerous than even Tommy Robinson could ever be because your deceitful and clever with your slant.
Why don't you explain what he means then as he seems unable to?
Blah, blah, Tommy Robinson, blah, blah, your deceitful and clever.
Now you are just sulking and whining.
There is no "political" narrative. You've been shown the data, the analysis and the reports but maintain your position that somehow abuse perpetrated by one group of people is worse than that by another. It is not. It is all horrible and due to the fact that they are disgusting individuals whatever their background. .
You can't solve a problem until you understand it and how it came about.
If you could find me the group of any other males who only knew each other through work/religious worship who then openly conspired with 20 others all in the same boat to groom children into sex slaves, threaten to kill (and looks like they may have) there parents if they talk and quite frankly didn't even hide it that well such was there entitlement to the act, and then times it by 20 other towns(that we know about up to now) who all followed the exact same formula then I'll concede it's not cultural by nature, religious by design and racist at heart.
Until then I'll keep my suspicions about why YOUR in such denial.
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"It's not race to blame, it's religion. It's not possible that it just that they are horrible people? Why is what Asian grooming gangs do the fault of religion but not what white men do the fault of something other than themselves? The clue is in the word "gangs". Is it, are you going to elaborate? Or are you being deliberately vague because you don’t really have a point to make .
No he's wasting his time, you and your Shadow easy would defend anything if it's in your political narrative, this is self evident to what you ilk did to Sarah champion.
Your far more dangerous than even Tommy Robinson could ever be because your deceitful and clever with your slant.
Why don't you explain what he means then as he seems unable to?
Blah, blah, Tommy Robinson, blah, blah, your deceitful and clever.
Now you are just sulking and whining.
There is no "political" narrative. You've been shown the data, the analysis and the reports but maintain your position that somehow abuse perpetrated by one group of people is worse than that by another. It is not. It is all horrible and due to the fact that they are disgusting individuals whatever their background. .
You can't solve a problem until you understand it and how it came about.
If you could find me the group of any other males who only knew each other through work/religious worship who then openly conspired with 20 others all in the same boat to groom children into sex slaves, threaten to kill (and looks like they may have) there parents if they talk and quite frankly didn't even hide it that well such was there entitlement to the act, and then times it by 20 other towns(that we know about up to now) who all followed the exact same formula then I'll concede it's not cultural by nature, religious by design and racist at heart.
Until then I'll keep my suspicions about why YOUR in such denial.
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"It's not race to blame, it's religion. It's not possible that it just that they are horrible people? Why is what Asian grooming gangs do the fault of religion but not what white men do the fault of something other than themselves? The clue is in the word "gangs". Is it, are you going to elaborate? Or are you being deliberately vague because you don’t really have a point to make .
No he's wasting his time, you and your Shadow easy would defend anything if it's in your political narrative, this is self evident to what you ilk did to Sarah champion.
Your far more dangerous than even Tommy Robinson could ever be because your deceitful and clever with your slant.
Why don't you explain what he means then as he seems unable to?
Blah, blah, Tommy Robinson, blah, blah, your deceitful and clever.
Now you are just sulking and whining.
There is no "political" narrative. You've been shown the data, the analysis and the reports but maintain your position that somehow abuse perpetrated by one group of people is worse than that by another. It is not. It is all horrible and due to the fact that they are disgusting individuals whatever their background. .
You can't solve a problem until you understand it and how it came about.
If you could find me the group of any other males who only knew each other through work/religious worship who then openly conspired with 20 others all in the same boat to groom children into sex slaves, threaten to kill (and looks like they may have) there parents if they talk and quite frankly didn't even hide it that well such was there entitlement to the act, and then times it by 20 other towns(that we know about up to now) who all followed the exact same formula then I'll concede it's not cultural by nature, religious by design and racist at heart.
Until then I'll keep my suspicions about why YOUR in such denial.
You copied and pasted that,
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"It's not race to blame, it's religion. It's not possible that it just that they are horrible people? Why is what Asian grooming gangs do the fault of religion but not what white men do the fault of something other than themselves? The clue is in the word "gangs". Is it, are you going to elaborate? Or are you being deliberately vague because you don’t really have a point to make .
No he's wasting his time, you and your Shadow easy would defend anything if it's in your political narrative, this is self evident to what you ilk did to Sarah champion.
Your far more dangerous than even Tommy Robinson could ever be because your deceitful and clever with your slant.
Why don't you explain what he means then as he seems unable to?
Blah, blah, Tommy Robinson, blah, blah, your deceitful and clever.
Now you are just sulking and whining.
There is no "political" narrative. You've been shown the data, the analysis and the reports but maintain your position that somehow abuse perpetrated by one group of people is worse than that by another. It is not. It is all horrible and due to the fact that they are disgusting individuals whatever their background. .
You can't solve a problem until you understand it and how it came about.
If you could find me the group of any other males who only knew each other through work/religious worship who then openly conspired with 20 others all in the same boat to groom children into sex slaves, threaten to kill (and looks like they may have) there parents if they talk and quite frankly didn't even hide it that well such was there entitlement to the act, and then times it by 20 other towns(that we know about up to now) who all followed the exact same formula then I'll concede it's not cultural by nature, religious by design and racist at heart.
Until then I'll keep my suspicions about why YOUR in such denial.
You copied and pasted that,
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"It's not race to blame, it's religion. It's not possible that it just that they are horrible people? Why is what Asian grooming gangs do the fault of religion but not what white men do the fault of something other than themselves? The clue is in the word "gangs". Is it, are you going to elaborate? Or are you being deliberately vague because you don’t really have a point to make .
No he's wasting his time, you and your Shadow easy would defend anything if it's in your political narrative, this is self evident to what you ilk did to Sarah champion.
Your far more dangerous than even Tommy Robinson could ever be because your deceitful and clever with your slant.
Why don't you explain what he means then as he seems unable to?
Blah, blah, Tommy Robinson, blah, blah, your deceitful and clever.
Now you are just sulking and whining.
There is no "political" narrative. You've been shown the data, the analysis and the reports but maintain your position that somehow abuse perpetrated by one group of people is worse than that by another. It is not. It is all horrible and due to the fact that they are disgusting individuals whatever their background. .
You can't solve a problem until you understand it and how it came about.
If you could find me the group of any other males who only knew each other through work/religious worship who then openly conspired with 20 others all in the same boat to groom children into sex slaves, threaten to kill (and looks like they may have) there parents if they talk and quite frankly didn't even hide it that well such was there entitlement to the act, and then times it by 20 other towns(that we know about up to now) who all followed the exact same formula then I'll concede it's not cultural by nature, religious by design and racist at heart.
Until then I'll keep my suspicions about why YOUR in such denial.
You copied and pasted that,
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Go on then please tell us all where I copied and pasted it from geniarse? "I won’t embarrass you anymore , I don’t want to be accused of being a Troll again. People are free to find it online | |||
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"It's not race to blame, it's religion. It's not possible that it just that they are horrible people? Why is what Asian grooming gangs do the fault of religion but not what white men do the fault of something other than themselves? The clue is in the word "gangs". Is it, are you going to elaborate? Or are you being deliberately vague because you don’t really have a point to make .
No he's wasting his time, you and your Shadow easy would defend anything if it's in your political narrative, this is self evident to what you ilk did to Sarah champion.
Your far more dangerous than even Tommy Robinson could ever be because your deceitful and clever with your slant.
Why don't you explain what he means then as he seems unable to?
Blah, blah, Tommy Robinson, blah, blah, your deceitful and clever.
Now you are just sulking and whining.
There is no "political" narrative. You've been shown the data, the analysis and the reports but maintain your position that somehow abuse perpetrated by one group of people is worse than that by another. It is not. It is all horrible and due to the fact that they are disgusting individuals whatever their background. .
You can't solve a problem until you understand it and how it came about.
If you could find me the group of any other males who only knew each other through work/religious worship who then openly conspired with 20 others all in the same boat to groom children into sex slaves, threaten to kill (and looks like they may have) there parents if they talk and quite frankly didn't even hide it that well such was there entitlement to the act, and then times it by 20 other towns(that we know about up to now) who all followed the exact same formula then I'll concede it's not cultural by nature, religious by design and racist at heart.
Until then I'll keep my suspicions about why YOUR in such denial.
"it’s not just him who’s in denial there’s a few who post about every subject every day on here but one post about Asian grooming gangs and they dissapear but anything else to do woth racism and there all over it just seems a bit wired to me | |||
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"The ONS estimates that Asians comprise 7.5% of the UK population . Yet over 50% of grooming gangs comprise Asian men . You do the math " If I do the maths I would also read all of the rest of statistics which have been written and re-written here and ask you the same questions that everybody else has failed to answer: What difference does it make if the the sick people from one ethnic group abuse people in one way and the sick people in another group abuse them in another way? The same proportion of Asian men are unable to distinguish right from wrong as the white population. Is one worse than the other? Is there any indication whatsoever that the crimes are racially motivated rather than racially aggravated? | |||
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"It's not race to blame, it's religion. It's not possible that it just that they are horrible people? Why is what Asian grooming gangs do the fault of religion but not what white men do the fault of something other than themselves? The clue is in the word "gangs". Is it, are you going to elaborate? Or are you being deliberately vague because you don’t really have a point to make .
No he's wasting his time, you and your Shadow easy would defend anything if it's in your political narrative, this is self evident to what you ilk did to Sarah champion.
Your far more dangerous than even Tommy Robinson could ever be because your deceitful and clever with your slant.
Why don't you explain what he means then as he seems unable to?
Blah, blah, Tommy Robinson, blah, blah, your deceitful and clever.
Now you are just sulking and whining.
There is no "political" narrative. You've been shown the data, the analysis and the reports but maintain your position that somehow abuse perpetrated by one group of people is worse than that by another. It is not. It is all horrible and due to the fact that they are disgusting individuals whatever their background. .
You can't solve a problem until you understand it and how it came about.
If you could find me the group of any other males who only knew each other through work/religious worship who then openly conspired with 20 others all in the same boat to groom children into sex slaves, threaten to kill (and looks like they may have) there parents if they talk and quite frankly didn't even hide it that well such was there entitlement to the act, and then times it by 20 other towns(that we know about up to now) who all followed the exact same formula then I'll concede it's not cultural by nature, religious by design and racist at heart.
Until then I'll keep my suspicions about why YOUR in such denial.
You copied and pasted that,
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Go on then please tell us all where I copied and pasted it from geniarse?
I won’t embarrass you anymore , I don’t want to be accused of being a Troll again. People are free to find it online "are you a troll like ? | |||
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"It's not race to blame, it's religion. It's not possible that it just that they are horrible people? Why is what Asian grooming gangs do the fault of religion but not what white men do the fault of something other than themselves? The clue is in the word "gangs". Is it, are you going to elaborate? Or are you being deliberately vague because you don’t really have a point to make .
No he's wasting his time, you and your Shadow easy would defend anything if it's in your political narrative, this is self evident to what you ilk did to Sarah champion.
Your far more dangerous than even Tommy Robinson could ever be because your deceitful and clever with your slant.
Why don't you explain what he means then as he seems unable to?
Blah, blah, Tommy Robinson, blah, blah, your deceitful and clever.
Now you are just sulking and whining.
There is no "political" narrative. You've been shown the data, the analysis and the reports but maintain your position that somehow abuse perpetrated by one group of people is worse than that by another. It is not. It is all horrible and due to the fact that they are disgusting individuals whatever their background. .
You can't solve a problem until you understand it and how it came about.
If you could find me the group of any other males who only knew each other through work/religious worship who then openly conspired with 20 others all in the same boat to groom children into sex slaves, threaten to kill (and looks like they may have) there parents if they talk and quite frankly didn't even hide it that well such was there entitlement to the act, and then times it by 20 other towns(that we know about up to now) who all followed the exact same formula then I'll concede it's not cultural by nature, religious by design and racist at heart.
Until then I'll keep my suspicions about why YOUR in such denial.
You copied and pasted that,
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Go on then please tell us all where I copied and pasted it from geniarse?
I won’t embarrass you anymore , I don’t want to be accused of being a Troll again. People are free to find it online ". Why do you lie?I just wrote it while having a cup of tea just now. You and your Shadow dug a hole you can't get out of perhaps?. | |||
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"It's not race to blame, it's religion. It's not possible that it just that they are horrible people? Why is what Asian grooming gangs do the fault of religion but not what white men do the fault of something other than themselves? The clue is in the word "gangs". Is it, are you going to elaborate? Or are you being deliberately vague because you don’t really have a point to make .
No he's wasting his time, you and your Shadow easy would defend anything if it's in your political narrative, this is self evident to what you ilk did to Sarah champion.
Your far more dangerous than even Tommy Robinson could ever be because your deceitful and clever with your slant.
Why don't you explain what he means then as he seems unable to?
Blah, blah, Tommy Robinson, blah, blah, your deceitful and clever.
Now you are just sulking and whining.
There is no "political" narrative. You've been shown the data, the analysis and the reports but maintain your position that somehow abuse perpetrated by one group of people is worse than that by another. It is not. It is all horrible and due to the fact that they are disgusting individuals whatever their background. .
You can't solve a problem until you understand it and how it came about.
If you could find me the group of any other males who only knew each other through work/religious worship who then openly conspired with 20 others all in the same boat to groom children into sex slaves, threaten to kill (and looks like they may have) there parents if they talk and quite frankly didn't even hide it that well such was there entitlement to the act, and then times it by 20 other towns(that we know about up to now) who all followed the exact same formula then I'll concede it's not cultural by nature, religious by design and racist at heart.
Until then I'll keep my suspicions about why YOUR in such denial.
it’s not just him who’s in denial there’s a few who post about every subject every day on here but one post about Asian grooming gangs and they dissapear but anything else to do woth racism and there all over it just seems a bit wired to me "Asian grooming gangs are abhorrent, disgusting and vile human beings. I hope every single one of them are caught and spend the rest of their lives rotting in jail. They are a disgrace to their race, the human race . | |||
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"It's not race to blame, it's religion. It's not possible that it just that they are horrible people? Why is what Asian grooming gangs do the fault of religion but not what white men do the fault of something other than themselves? The clue is in the word "gangs". Is it, are you going to elaborate? Or are you being deliberately vague because you don’t really have a point to make .
No he's wasting his time, you and your Shadow easy would defend anything if it's in your political narrative, this is self evident to what you ilk did to Sarah champion.
Your far more dangerous than even Tommy Robinson could ever be because your deceitful and clever with your slant.
Why don't you explain what he means then as he seems unable to?
Blah, blah, Tommy Robinson, blah, blah, your deceitful and clever.
Now you are just sulking and whining.
There is no "political" narrative. You've been shown the data, the analysis and the reports but maintain your position that somehow abuse perpetrated by one group of people is worse than that by another. It is not. It is all horrible and due to the fact that they are disgusting individuals whatever their background. .
You can't solve a problem until you understand it and how it came about.
If you could find me the group of any other males who only knew each other through work/religious worship who then openly conspired with 20 others all in the same boat to groom children into sex slaves, threaten to kill (and looks like they may have) there parents if they talk and quite frankly didn't even hide it that well such was there entitlement to the act, and then times it by 20 other towns(that we know about up to now) who all followed the exact same formula then I'll concede it's not cultural by nature, religious by design and racist at heart.
Until then I'll keep my suspicions about why YOUR in such denial.
"Repeating myself once gain: The problem is Police and social services not believing victims and not acting on information for fear of being accused of racism. The problem is now visible and can be dealt with. Once again, some direct questions for you to avoid replying to: What difference does it make if the the sick people from one ethnic group abuse people in one way and the sick people in another group abuse them in another way? The same proportion of Asian men are unable to distinguish right from wrong as the white population. Is one worse than the other? Is there any indication whatsoever that the crimes are racially motivated rather than racially aggravated? Feel free not to intimate things about me because you are unable to openly articulate your racist views. Say what you mean or say nothing. Coward. | |||
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"It's not race to blame, it's religion. It's not possible that it just that they are horrible people? Why is what Asian grooming gangs do the fault of religion but not what white men do the fault of something other than themselves? The clue is in the word "gangs". Is it, are you going to elaborate? Or are you being deliberately vague because you don’t really have a point to make .
No he's wasting his time, you and your Shadow easy would defend anything if it's in your political narrative, this is self evident to what you ilk did to Sarah champion.
Your far more dangerous than even Tommy Robinson could ever be because your deceitful and clever with your slant.
Why don't you explain what he means then as he seems unable to?
Blah, blah, Tommy Robinson, blah, blah, your deceitful and clever.
Now you are just sulking and whining.
There is no "political" narrative. You've been shown the data, the analysis and the reports but maintain your position that somehow abuse perpetrated by one group of people is worse than that by another. It is not. It is all horrible and due to the fact that they are disgusting individuals whatever their background. .
You can't solve a problem until you understand it and how it came about.
If you could find me the group of any other males who only knew each other through work/religious worship who then openly conspired with 20 others all in the same boat to groom children into sex slaves, threaten to kill (and looks like they may have) there parents if they talk and quite frankly didn't even hide it that well such was there entitlement to the act, and then times it by 20 other towns(that we know about up to now) who all followed the exact same formula then I'll concede it's not cultural by nature, religious by design and racist at heart.
Until then I'll keep my suspicions about why YOUR in such denial.
it’s not just him who’s in denial there’s a few who post about every subject every day on here but one post about Asian grooming gangs and they dissapear but anything else to do woth racism and there all over it just seems a bit wired to me "Feel free to read the huge amount of information and links that have been posted calling bullshit on what's being perpetuated here. Then see if you can answer the same direct questions: Once again, some direct questions for you to avoid replying to: What difference does it make if the the sick people from one ethnic group abuse people in one way and the sick people in another group abuse them in another way? The same proportion of Asian men are unable to distinguish right from wrong as the white population. Is one worse than the other? Is there any indication whatsoever that the crimes are racially motivated rather than racially aggravated? | |||
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"It's not race to blame, it's religion. It's not possible that it just that they are horrible people? Why is what Asian grooming gangs do the fault of religion but not what white men do the fault of something other than themselves? The clue is in the word "gangs". Is it, are you going to elaborate? Or are you being deliberately vague because you don’t really have a point to make .
No he's wasting his time, you and your Shadow easy would defend anything if it's in your political narrative, this is self evident to what you ilk did to Sarah champion.
Your far more dangerous than even Tommy Robinson could ever be because your deceitful and clever with your slant.
Why don't you explain what he means then as he seems unable to?
Blah, blah, Tommy Robinson, blah, blah, your deceitful and clever.
Now you are just sulking and whining.
There is no "political" narrative. You've been shown the data, the analysis and the reports but maintain your position that somehow abuse perpetrated by one group of people is worse than that by another. It is not. It is all horrible and due to the fact that they are disgusting individuals whatever their background. .
You can't solve a problem until you understand it and how it came about.
If you could find me the group of any other males who only knew each other through work/religious worship who then openly conspired with 20 others all in the same boat to groom children into sex slaves, threaten to kill (and looks like they may have) there parents if they talk and quite frankly didn't even hide it that well such was there entitlement to the act, and then times it by 20 other towns(that we know about up to now) who all followed the exact same formula then I'll concede it's not cultural by nature, religious by design and racist at heart.
Until then I'll keep my suspicions about why YOUR in such denial.
You copied and pasted that,
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Go on then please tell us all where I copied and pasted it from geniarse?
I won’t embarrass you anymore , I don’t want to be accused of being a Troll again. People are free to find it online .
Why do you lie?I just wrote it while having a cup of tea just now.
You and your Shadow dug a hole you can't get out of perhaps?.
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"It's not race to blame, it's religion. It's not possible that it just that they are horrible people? Why is what Asian grooming gangs do the fault of religion but not what white men do the fault of something other than themselves? The clue is in the word "gangs". Is it, are you going to elaborate? Or are you being deliberately vague because you don’t really have a point to make .
No he's wasting his time, you and your Shadow easy would defend anything if it's in your political narrative, this is self evident to what you ilk did to Sarah champion.
Your far more dangerous than even Tommy Robinson could ever be because your deceitful and clever with your slant.
Why don't you explain what he means then as he seems unable to?
Blah, blah, Tommy Robinson, blah, blah, your deceitful and clever.
Now you are just sulking and whining.
There is no "political" narrative. You've been shown the data, the analysis and the reports but maintain your position that somehow abuse perpetrated by one group of people is worse than that by another. It is not. It is all horrible and due to the fact that they are disgusting individuals whatever their background. .
You can't solve a problem until you understand it and how it came about.
If you could find me the group of any other males who only knew each other through work/religious worship who then openly conspired with 20 others all in the same boat to groom children into sex slaves, threaten to kill (and looks like they may have) there parents if they talk and quite frankly didn't even hide it that well such was there entitlement to the act, and then times it by 20 other towns(that we know about up to now) who all followed the exact same formula then I'll concede it's not cultural by nature, religious by design and racist at heart.
Until then I'll keep my suspicions about why YOUR in such denial.
it’s not just him who’s in denial there’s a few who post about every subject every day on here but one post about Asian grooming gangs and they dissapear but anything else to do woth racism and there all over it just seems a bit wired to me
Asian grooming gangs are abhorrent, disgusting and vile human beings. I hope every single one of them are caught and spend the rest of their lives rotting in jail. They are a disgrace to their race, the human race . "Agreed. Somewhat obviously. | |||
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"Who is his shadow? ". Watch carefully and all will become clear, one comes on the other disappears, they both take up the same position every single thread reconfirming each others moral stand, facts, figures. It's like a selfie bias .
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"Who is his shadow? "I believe it's me. Something to do with not making assumptions about someones behaviour due to their ethic background or religion. Also an inexplicable attachment to the use of actual data rather than opinion and YouTube clips. All a bit old fashioned | |||
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"It's not race to blame, it's religion. It's not possible that it just that they are horrible people? Why is what Asian grooming gangs do the fault of religion but not what white men do the fault of something other than themselves? The clue is in the word "gangs". Is it, are you going to elaborate? Or are you being deliberately vague because you don’t really have a point to make .
No he's wasting his time, you and your Shadow easy would defend anything if it's in your political narrative, this is self evident to what you ilk did to Sarah champion.
Your far more dangerous than even Tommy Robinson could ever be because your deceitful and clever with your slant.
Why don't you explain what he means then as he seems unable to?
Blah, blah, Tommy Robinson, blah, blah, your deceitful and clever.
Now you are just sulking and whining.
There is no "political" narrative. You've been shown the data, the analysis and the reports but maintain your position that somehow abuse perpetrated by one group of people is worse than that by another. It is not. It is all horrible and due to the fact that they are disgusting individuals whatever their background. .
You can't solve a problem until you understand it and how it came about.
If you could find me the group of any other males who only knew each other through work/religious worship who then openly conspired with 20 others all in the same boat to groom children into sex slaves, threaten to kill (and looks like they may have) there parents if they talk and quite frankly didn't even hide it that well such was there entitlement to the act, and then times it by 20 other towns(that we know about up to now) who all followed the exact same formula then I'll concede it's not cultural by nature, religious by design and racist at heart.
Until then I'll keep my suspicions about why YOUR in such denial.
it’s not just him who’s in denial there’s a few who post about every subject every day on here but one post about Asian grooming gangs and they dissapear but anything else to do woth racism and there all over it just seems a bit wired to me
Asian grooming gangs are abhorrent, disgusting and vile human beings. I hope every single one of them are caught and spend the rest of their lives rotting in jail. They are a disgrace to their race, the human race .
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"Who is his shadow? .
Watch carefully and all will become clear, one comes on the other disappears, they both take up the same position every single thread reconfirming each others moral stand, facts, figures.
It's like a selfie bias .
He watched to much Mr benn as a child probably "Ok..just thought I'd ask | |||
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"Who is his shadow? .
Watch carefully and all will become clear, one comes on the other disappears, they both take up the same position every single thread reconfirming each others moral stand, facts, figures.
It's like a selfie bias .
He watched to much Mr benn as a child probably "I bit like you and your friend from Belfast , 2 peas in a pod | |||
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"Who is his shadow?
I believe it's me. Something to do with not making assumptions about someones behaviour due to their ethic background or religion.
Also an inexplicable attachment to the use of actual data rather than opinion and YouTube clips.
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"Who is his shadow?
I believe it's me. Something to do with not making assumptions about someones behaviour due to their ethic background or religion.
Also an inexplicable attachment to the use of actual data rather than opinion and YouTube clips.
All a bit old fashioned ". I have my suspicions over your denial pal  | |||
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"Who is his shadow?
I believe it's me. Something to do with not making assumptions about someones behaviour due to their ethic background or religion.
Also an inexplicable attachment to the use of actual data rather than opinion and YouTube clips.
All a bit old fashioned .
I have my suspicions over your denial pal"It's good that you have spammed the thread and changed the subject so that you neither have to answer the OP directly or respond to the direct questions that you've been asked. Way to go. You really are a"clever" one | |||
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"Who is his shadow?
I believe it's me. Something to do with not making assumptions about someones behaviour due to their ethic background or religion.
Also an inexplicable attachment to the use of actual data rather than opinion and YouTube clips.
All a bit old fashioned .
I have my suspicions over your denial pal
It's good that you have spammed the thread and changed the subject so that you neither have to answer the OP directly or respond to the direct questions that you've been asked.
Way to go. You really are a"clever" one ". When your in as much denial as you then I can only assume you've got a vested interest in the subject. | |||
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"Who is his shadow?
I believe it's me. Something to do with not making assumptions about someones behaviour due to their ethic background or religion.
Also an inexplicable attachment to the use of actual data rather than opinion and YouTube clips.
All a bit old fashioned .
I have my suspicions over your denial pal
It's good that you have spammed the thread and changed the subject so that you neither have to answer the OP directly or respond to the direct questions that you've been asked.
Way to go. You really are a"clever" one .
When your in as much denial as you then I can only assume you've got a vested interest in the subject."I was just thinking the same about you. You seem to be very keen to push a certain agenda ? Maybe that is motivated by a need to ‘blame’ one group of people to ‘protect’ another group. There used to be someone on Twitter who did that same but he got banned, I can’t remember his name, Stephen something | |||
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"It's not race to blame, it's religion. It's not possible that it just that they are horrible people? Why is what Asian grooming gangs do the fault of religion but not what white men do the fault of something other than themselves? The clue is in the word "gangs". Is it, are you going to elaborate? Or are you being deliberately vague because you don’t really have a point to make .
No he's wasting his time, you and your Shadow easy would defend anything if it's in your political narrative, this is self evident to what you ilk did to Sarah champion.
Your far more dangerous than even Tommy Robinson could ever be because your deceitful and clever with your slant.
Why don't you explain what he means then as he seems unable to?
Blah, blah, Tommy Robinson, blah, blah, your deceitful and clever.
Now you are just sulking and whining.
There is no "political" narrative. You've been shown the data, the analysis and the reports but maintain your position that somehow abuse perpetrated by one group of people is worse than that by another. It is not. It is all horrible and due to the fact that they are disgusting individuals whatever their background. .
You can't solve a problem until you understand it and how it came about.
If you could find me the group of any other males who only knew each other through work/religious worship who then openly conspired with 20 others all in the same boat to groom children into sex slaves, threaten to kill (and looks like they may have) there parents if they talk and quite frankly didn't even hide it that well such was there entitlement to the act, and then times it by 20 other towns(that we know about up to now) who all followed the exact same formula then I'll concede it's not cultural by nature, religious by design and racist at heart.
Until then I'll keep my suspicions about why YOUR in such denial.
Repeating myself once gain: The problem is Police and social services not believing victims and not acting on information for fear of being accused of racism. The problem is now visible and can be dealt with.
Once again, some direct questions for you to avoid replying to:
What difference does it make if the the sick people from one ethnic group abuse people in one way and the sick people in another group abuse them in another way?
The same proportion of Asian men are unable to distinguish right from wrong as the white population.
Is one worse than the other? Is there any indication whatsoever that the crimes are racially motivated rather than racially aggravated?
Feel free not to intimate things about me because you are unable to openly articulate your racist views. Say what you mean or say nothing. Coward."Do you think they're more likely to cheat on their partners? | |||
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"Who is his shadow?
I believe it's me. Something to do with not making assumptions about someones behaviour due to their ethic background or religion.
Also an inexplicable attachment to the use of actual data rather than opinion and YouTube clips.
All a bit old fashioned .
I have my suspicions over your denial pal
It's good that you have spammed the thread and changed the subject so that you neither have to answer the OP directly or respond to the direct questions that you've been asked.
Way to go. You really are a"clever" one .
When your in as much denial as you then I can only assume you've got a vested interest in the subject.
I was just thinking the same about you. You seem to be very keen to push a certain agenda ? Maybe that is motivated by a need to ‘blame’ one group of people to ‘protect’ another group. There used to be someone on Twitter who did that same but he got banned, I can’t remember his name, Stephen something ". I couldn't give a shit mate, you keep denying the problem and see where you end up?. As the Simpsons would say, there's no justice like mob justice and this little 30 year party is coming to an end. | |||
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"Who is his shadow?
I believe it's me. Something to do with not making assumptions about someones behaviour due to their ethic background or religion.
Also an inexplicable attachment to the use of actual data rather than opinion and YouTube clips.
All a bit old fashioned .
I have my suspicions over your denial pal
It's good that you have spammed the thread and changed the subject so that you neither have to answer the OP directly or respond to the direct questions that you've been asked.
Way to go. You really are a"clever" one .
When your in as much denial as you then I can only assume you've got a vested interest in the subject.
I was just thinking the same about you. You seem to be very keen to push a certain agenda ? Maybe that is motivated by a need to ‘blame’ one group of people to ‘protect’ another group. There used to be someone on Twitter who did that same but he got banned, I can’t remember his name, Stephen something .
I couldn't give a shit mate, you keep denying the problem and see where you end up?.
As the Simpsons would say, there's no justice like mob justice and this little 30 year party is coming to an end. "Haha, you didn’t really have a response to that . Deflect deflect deflect , you are making little Stephen very proud | |||
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