FabSwingers.com forum: Does britain have an identity crisis?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

You'll have to explain further on that one!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"You'll have to explain further on that one! "
Yes you know as they think that they will be this empire they once were ruling the world it is a kind of misguided nostalgia.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You'll have to explain further on that one! Yes you know as they think that they will be this empire they once were ruling the world it is a kind of misguided nostalgia."

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Does Sweden have an identity crisis?

Thinking back to when when the Vikings ruled the waves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does Sweden have an identity crisis?

Thinking back to when when the Vikings ruled the waves.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

Yes we do I would say,we fight with political correctness and who we are.Young Britons see themselves as Europeans,middle age and older as British I am sure the reasons for this are complex but mainly I put it down to the lack of history about this nation being studied in our schools and the idea we are all the same whatever our origins or colour.

Of course this is nonsense,you only have to look at musical tastes as people of different backgrounds tend to in the main favour different types of music.This is just a small example.

We should champion and respect our difference while still being able to live ogether weather this is just in politics,rich,poor atc etc.

We are all members of the human race,we should exept each other for who we are as individuals try to understand our differences,because we are all different but sadly we do not in the main.

Yes we have become devided in recent times this is due to lack of respect and poor education and the ignorance perpetuated by the internet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes we do I would say,we fight with political correctness and who we are.Young Britons see themselves as Europeans,middle age and older as British I am sure the reasons for this are complex but mainly I put it down to the lack of history about this nation being studied in our schools and the idea we are all the same whatever our origins or colour.

Of course this is nonsense,you only have to look at musical tastes as people of different backgrounds tend to in the main favour different types of music.This is just a small example.

We should champion and respect our difference while still being able to live ogether weather this is just in politics,rich,poor atc etc.

We are all members of the human race,we should exept each other for who we are as individuals try to understand our differences,because we are all different but sadly we do not in the main.

Yes we have become devided in recent times this is due to lack of respect and poor education and the ignorance perpetuated by the internet"

Wow, you have actually posted something that made sense and I agree with .

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"You'll have to explain further on that one! Yes you know as they think that they will be this empire they once were ruling the world it is a kind of misguided nostalgia.

I agree, we seem to think we are to ‘big, for Europe and to big for the UK, it is the ‘little englander’ mentality. Luckily the younger generations are different and this outdated and deluded mindset will die out in 20-30 years "
That is right that mentality of the little englander will disappear soon as it is more the older generation, the younger ones sees the good of being together.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You'll have to explain further on that one! Yes you know as they think that they will be this empire they once were ruling the world it is a kind of misguided nostalgia."

I don't think this is an identity crisis.

This is just the identity of the UK now. This is how people see us. And this is who a large portion of the electorate are.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Nope nothing wrong of being proud of your country and where you come from.No one seems to worry that the scots and irish are and so they should be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope nothing wrong of being proud of your country and where you come from.No one seems to worry that the scots and irish are and so they should be."

But the Scots and the Irish have a strong identity and are mainly a united country, England isn’t

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Nope nothing wrong of being proud of your country and where you come from.No one seems to worry that the scots and irish are and so they should be.

But the Scots and the Irish have a strong identity and are mainly a united country, England isn’t "
As i thought a bit of England bashing not great Britain

.All i can say to you is just go to an away cricket,rugby or football match and see how many people are prepared to travel the globe to support England the country they love.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Please find a mirror and take a good long hard look. Then remember that one day you will be old and that the younger generation may have different ideas that you don't agree with. Would you think it fair then if they were sitting there saying you are irrelevant and it's ok cause you'll be dead soon? No generation has a monopoly on good ideas. Yes the older generations sometimes don't see the need for change, however many of the younger generation could do with understanding that experience should not be overlooked either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Please find a mirror and take a good long hard look. Then remember that one day you will be old and that the younger generation may have different ideas that you don't agree with. Would you think it fair then if they were sitting there saying you are irrelevant and it's ok cause you'll be dead soon? No generation has a monopoly on good ideas. Yes the older generations sometimes don't see the need for change, however many of the younger generation could do with understanding that experience should not be overlooked either."

When I am older I will embrace the younger generations, I will respect there ideas and ideals . If I disagree I will do it in a helpful and constructive way, what I won’t do is castigate them and state that I ‘wouldn’t piss on most of the twats’ .

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Great post.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Can we pick up on that again in around 20 years time.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Can we pick up on that again in around 20 years time.

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Would be nice to see the opinion in 20 years time but i will be dead.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

Says the man who doesn't respect the older generation's opinions because they are irrelevant, outdated and deluded.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Can we pick up on that again in around 20 years time.

Would be nice to see the opinion in 20 years time but i will be dead.

Nah! You will be like us. Still trawling around FAB looking for geriatric sex.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Says the man who doesn't respect the older generation's opinions because they are irrelevant, outdated and deluded."

Not all, just some . Keep up

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Can we pick up on that again in around 20 years time.

Would be nice to see the opinion in 20 years time but i will be dead.

Nah! You will be like us. Still trawling around FAB looking for geriatric sex.

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I doubt it but hope you are right.

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By *rench letterCouple
over a year ago

Chorley,

"You'll have to explain further on that one! Yes you know as they think that they will be this empire they once were ruling the world it is a kind of misguided nostalgia.

Well said. It's the younger generation who we feel sorry for.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Yep another England bashing post some ppl love to kick the shit out of there own country there grandparents would be so proud of them you know the ones that fought for your country ffs

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By *lixerMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

The OP asks about Britain. From these replies it seems that two of the four Nations are not Britain. Great. As it should be.

But we need to know what is meant by "Britain".

"Nope nothing wrong of being proud of your country and where you come from.No one seems to worry that the scots and irish are and so they should be.

But the Scots and the Irish have a strong identity and are mainly a united country, England isn’t "

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"You'll have to explain further on that one! Yes you know as they think that they will be this empire they once were ruling the world it is a kind of misguided nostalgia.

Well said. It's the younger generation who we feel sorry for. "
Same here. I also feel sorry for the younger ones

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The OP asks about Britain. From these replies it seems that two of the four Nations are not Britain. Great. As it should be.

But we need to know what is meant by "Britain".

Nope nothing wrong of being proud of your country and where you come from.No one seems to worry that the scots and irish are and so they should be.

But the Scots and the Irish have a strong identity and are mainly a united country, England isn’t "
That is a good point and yes I did mean england as well as it was under their rule back then.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"You'll have to explain further on that one! Yes you know as they think that they will be this empire they once were ruling the world it is a kind of misguided nostalgia.

Well said. It's the younger generation who we feel sorry for. Same here. I also feel sorry for the younger ones

I don't. They will make their bed and lie in it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yep another England bashing post some ppl love to kick the shit out of there own country there grandparents would be so proud of them you know the ones that fought for your country ffs"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You'll have to explain further on that one! Yes you know as they think that they will be this empire they once were ruling the world it is a kind of misguided nostalgia.

Well said. It's the younger generation who we feel sorry for. Same here. I also feel sorry for the younger ones

I don't. They will make their bed and lie in it."

Correct, once the dust has settled we will rejoin the EU

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can we pick up on that again in around 20 years time.

Would be nice to see the opinion in 20 years time but i will be dead.

Nah! You will be like us. Still trawling around FAB looking for geriatric sex.

Don't knock it until you've tried it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can we pick up on that again in around 20 years time.

Would be nice to see the opinion in 20 years time but i will be dead.

Nah! You will be like us. Still trawling around FAB looking for geriatric sex.

Don't knock it until you've tried it

Care to share your personal experience of GSEX? Allegedly its on the rise now we are all taking care of ourselves for longer - now where’s my glasses to? I’m sure thats a packet of viagra thats slipped down the back of my comfy chair....oh, wait a minute, its just my blood pressure pills

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Yep another England bashing post some ppl love to kick the shit out of there own country there grandparents would be so proud of them you know the ones that fought for your country ffs

They didn’t just fight for Britain they fought against an evil far right wing Nazi party and for peace in Europe along side our fellow European allies and friends. Britain joined the war when our polish friends were invaded, we were part of the allies, try and remember that "
I wonder European friends and the polish bash there own country’s as much as some of the folks on here then I’m proud to be English British European and don’t see the need to slag my own off on a swingers site

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yep another England bashing post some ppl love to kick the shit out of there own country there grandparents would be so proud of them you know the ones that fought for your country ffs

They didn’t just fight for Britain they fought against an evil far right wing Nazi party and for peace in Europe along side our fellow European allies and friends. Britain joined the war when our polish friends were invaded, we were part of the allies, try and remember that I wonder European friends and the polish bash there own country’s as much as some of the folks on here then I’m proud to be English British European and don’t see the need to slag my own off on a swingers site "

Who is slagging of England?

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Yep another England bashing post some ppl love to kick the shit out of there own country there grandparents would be so proud of them you know the ones that fought for your country ffs

They didn’t just fight for Britain they fought against an evil far right wing Nazi party and for peace in Europe along side our fellow European allies and friends. Britain joined the war when our polish friends were invaded, we were part of the allies, try and remember that I wonder European friends and the polish bash there own country’s as much as some of the folks on here then I’m proud to be English British European and don’t see the need to slag my own off on a swingers site

Who is slagging of England? "
so you haven’t read some of the posts on here then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yep another England bashing post some ppl love to kick the shit out of there own country there grandparents would be so proud of them you know the ones that fought for your country ffs

They didn’t just fight for Britain they fought against an evil far right wing Nazi party and for peace in Europe along side our fellow European allies and friends. Britain joined the war when our polish friends were invaded, we were part of the allies, try and remember that I wonder European friends and the polish bash there own country’s as much as some of the folks on here then I’m proud to be English British European and don’t see the need to slag my own off on a swingers site

Who is slagging of England? so you haven’t read some of the posts on here then "

Yes, show me where people are slagging of England? There may be criticism of a minority of people in the country though ?

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"Nope nothing wrong of being proud of your country and where you come from.No one seems to worry that the scots and irish are and so they should be."

This is a fair point. The English tend to get a bad reputation because a small - but loud - proportion of them are annoying cunts. The majority of them are ok, though.

As for identity crisis; I don't think it's that. It's a serious division in outlook - which, if the current government can't do anything to narrow, will lead to the break-up of the UK.

Personally, I blame New Labour. They allowed a massive gap to open up between the "haves and have nots". They convinced themselves that rising house prices meant that everyone was middle class and that "boom and bust" was a thing of the past.

They took Scotland, Wales, the North of England and the Midlands for granted, knowing they had all the "Tory-Lite" voters in the bag.

The 2008 crash blew that shit out of the water and the Coalition continued to ignore the "have nots", whilst doing their best to lessen the impact on the "haves".

That's where the seeds of today's UK politics were sown.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"Nope nothing wrong of being proud of your country and where you come from.No one seems to worry that the scots and irish are and so they should be.

This is a fair point. The English tend to get a bad reputation because a small - but loud - proportion of them are annoying cunts. The majority of them are ok, though.

As for identity crisis; I don't think it's that. It's a serious division in outlook - which, if the current government can't do anything to narrow, will lead to the break-up of the UK.

They took Scotland, Wales, the North of England and the Midlands for granted, knowing they had all the "Tory-Lite" voters in the bag.

The 2008 crash blew that shit out of the water and the Coalition continued to ignore the "have nots", whilst doing their best to lessen the impact on the "haves".

That's where the seeds of today's UK politics were sown."

about tbe most senseible thing ive seen written on here for ages.its right the have nots are ignored no matter whos running things.so they decided to fuck it for everyone.has been building up for years just the haves either never saw it or just chose to ignore it.and its not just in the areas you mentioned theres plenty places in the south who been left behind

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Does Sweden have an identity crisis?

Thinking back to when when the Vikings ruled the waves.

Unfortunately, Sweden is fucked.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Today's generation of kids have grown up with socialist teachers making then feel ashamed to be British. What hope have they got?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Today's generation of kids have grown up with socialist teachers making then feel ashamed to be British. What hope have they got?"

They’ve got another Tory govt. who will shaft them and feather their own nest in the process.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Today's generation of kids have grown up with socialist teachers making then feel ashamed to be British. What hope have they got?

They’ve got another Tory govt. who will shaft them and feather their own nest in the process."

Most snowflakes these days grew up under labour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Today's generation of kids have grown up with socialist teachers making then feel ashamed to be British. What hope have they got?"

Well, that is the biggest load of rubbish I have heard today , at least you're consistent

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why aren't you all standing for local Gov or Parliament?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why aren't you all standing for local Gov or Parliament?"

Doesn’t pay enough, do you object to people having politically views on a politics forum

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Today's generation of kids have grown up with socialist teachers making then feel ashamed to be British. What hope have they got?

They’ve got another Tory govt. who will shaft them and feather their own nest in the process.

Most snowflakes these days grew up under labour."

Youve said before your a long term labour voter...and I can only assume from your post a self loathing snowflake

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Today's generation of kids have grown up with socialist teachers making then feel ashamed to be British. What hope have they got?

They’ve got another Tory govt. who will shaft them and feather their own nest in the process.

Most snowflakes these days grew up under labour.

Youve said before your a long term labour voter...and I can only assume from your post a self loathing snowflake

Im Thatcher's fault.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Why aren't you all standing for local Gov or Parliament?

Doesn’t pay enough, do you object to people having politically views on a politics forum

Ive always said MP's should get paid more. Attract real talent, not student union bores, and silver spoon cunts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why aren't you all standing for local Gov or Parliament?

Doesn’t pay enough, do you object to people having politically views on a politics forum

Ive always said MP's should get paid more. Attract real talent, not student union bores, and silver spoon cunts. "

Nah, you get the politicians you deserve

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Today's generation of kids have grown up with socialist teachers making then feel ashamed to be British. What hope have they got?"

true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Today's generation of kids have grown up with socialist teachers making then feel ashamed to be British. What hope have they got?

true"

No it isn’t,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?"
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Most definitely but not like you think, our current thirty year policy of multiculturalism isn't working, we've divided people who are British by birth and birthright because we've encouraged them to be culturally different, bad idea I think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?.

We haven’t encouraged people to be ‘different’ just more tolerant with a better understanding of different cultures, is that such a bad thing ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?.

We haven’t encouraged people to be ‘different’ just more tolerant with a better understanding of different cultures, is that such a bad thing ? "

Well multiculturalism in the normal sense works fine.

Maybe the poster was pointing out how the culture of ignorance and hate, embraced by lots of British people (think Brexit, Love Island, hate crime through the roof etc), is at odds with the culture of tolerance, understand, knowledge, compassion, etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?.

Ha ha ha your posts are getting more and more ridiculous. White British people are all having such a terrible time because multi-culturalism is taking over and making them feel left out and victimised? Do you really think we were all such great mates in the past when we had less variety? I spent a few years in yorkshire when I was a lad and I can tell you that the enmity between the ridings was quite astonishing and as for lancastrians - the silly buggers were still fighting the war of the roses. Conflict is a part of our makeup and the only thing thats different these days is that the internet makes people think they know what they are talking about. I do understand the irony in that statement too btw

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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago

lytham st.annes

"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?.

Are people from Yorkshire stabbing each other? Are gangs from Lancashire ONLY targeting vulnerable girls from Yorkshire to sexually abuse?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?.

We haven’t encouraged people to be ‘different’ just more tolerant with a better understanding of different cultures, is that such a bad thing ? "

I guess as long as those who come here share those same values we'll all be fine!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?.

We haven’t encouraged people to be ‘different’ just more tolerant with a better understanding of different cultures, is that such a bad thing ?

I guess as long as those who come here share those same values we'll all be fine!"

But what if the newbies emulate some of the negative aspects of our society.Or are we saying as a culture we are practically perfect .Much like Mary poppins..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?.

We are practically perfect in every way or hadnt you realised that yet?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?.

Are people from Yorkshire stabbing each other? Are gangs from Lancashire ONLY targeting vulnerable girls from Yorkshire to sexually abuse?"

Have you started drinking again Clem?

One of the funny things about the internet age is that people are doing lots more things than they would have done in the past because they can find and be inspired by all sorts of mad shit on the web - hence the rising incidence of gang r*pe, bum sex and nostalgia for the empire. My uncle was a rocker in the late sixties and early seventies and would often end up in a fight on a Saturday with rivals but in those days it was mostly pick axe handles, knuckledusters and bike chains, although the teds were quite keen on flickknives and old fashioned razors. The rise of knife crime is often attributed to the jamaican drug gangs of the seventies but the real home was the football hooligans and casuals of the early eighties who were fans of the stanley knife. Its nothing new I am afraid but its just more visible these days. Oh and if you want to go back to grooming kids for prostitution, the maltese gangsters in soho were very keen on that back in the sixties and seventies, i sometimes wonder if the endemic corruption of police forces at that time just made everything look better than it really was?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?.

We haven’t encouraged people to be ‘different’ just more tolerant with a better understanding of different cultures, is that such a bad thing ?

I guess as long as those who come here share those same values we'll all be fine!

But what if the newbies emulate some of the negative aspects of our society.Or are we saying as a culture we are practically perfect .Much like Mary poppins..

Hmm, you'd have to do a study of crime rates in areas pre and post immigration to get the figures i guess, Ilford would be a good example.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do wonder how many knife victims are actually totally innocent vs one's involved in crime and drugs etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?.

We haven’t encouraged people to be ‘different’ just more tolerant with a better understanding of different cultures, is that such a bad thing ?

I guess as long as those who come here share those same values we'll all be fine!

But what if the newbies emulate some of the negative aspects of our society.Or are we saying as a culture we are practically perfect .Much like Mary poppins..

Hmm, you'd have to do a study of crime rates in areas pre and post immigration to get the figures i guess, Ilford would be a good example.

Not Bethnal Green ..Ok

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?.

We haven’t encouraged people to be ‘different’ just more tolerant with a better understanding of different cultures, is that such a bad thing ?

I guess as long as those who come here share those same values we'll all be fine!"

But which kind of values from "here".

Values like yours. Promoting hate against Muslims, denying scientific method in favour of believing rubbish made up on infowars etc.

Or values fairness, compassion, an economic model that favours the people over multi national corporations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?"

There will be no return to the past. We’ll forge a new destiny.

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By *ighland gentlemanMan
over a year ago

Ardgay

"Nope nothing wrong of being proud of your country and where you come from.No one seems to worry that the scots and irish are and so they should be.

But the Scots and the Irish have a strong identity and are mainly a united country, England isn’t "

Have you any idea if Scottish or Irish politics?

Scotland had an Independence Referendum in 2014 and the SNP are pushing for a second one. That has split the country.

And Northern Ireland may not be openly in violence again but no one would call it unified in thought

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?.

We haven’t encouraged people to be ‘different’ just more tolerant with a better understanding of different cultures, is that such a bad thing ?

I guess as long as those who come here share those same values we'll all be fine!

But what if the newbies emulate some of the negative aspects of our society.Or are we saying as a culture we are practically perfect .Much like Mary poppins..

Hmm, you'd have to do a study of crime rates in areas pre and post immigration to get the figures i guess, Ilford would be a good example.

Not Bethnal Green ..Ok

What's the knife crime scene like in Bournemouth these days?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

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"Nope nothing wrong of being proud of your country and where you come from.No one seems to worry that the scots and irish are and so they should be.

But the Scots and the Irish have a strong identity and are mainly a united country, England isn’t

Have you any idea if Scottish or Irish politics?

Scotland had an Independence Referendum in 2014 and the SNP are pushing for a second one. That has split the country.

And Northern Ireland may not be openly in violence again but no one would call it unified in thought"

You can see how United Scotland is everytime Celtic play rangers..!

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"I do wonder how many knife victims are actually totally innocent vs one's involved in crime and drugs etc "
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The poorest town in England is jaywick it's poverty level is five times the national average and unemployment six times, it also has substantial drug issues.

Hardly any knife crime though.

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over a year ago

"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?.

We haven’t encouraged people to be ‘different’ just more tolerant with a better understanding of different cultures, is that such a bad thing ? "
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Have you heard of the Isle of eigg in Scotland?.

It's an interesting place to examine human nature and culture working on a small scale, they have no government only a local committee to oversee daily runnings.

There looking for 1 or maybe 2 new islanders this year, the reasoning was anymore wouldn't allow either the new people to get used to the current 90 or the current 90 to get used to the new 1.

It's a lovely place with zero crime which is worth spending a week or two in if you like to study human nature.

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"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?.

We haven’t encouraged people to be ‘different’ just more tolerant with a better understanding of different cultures, is that such a bad thing ?

I guess as long as those who come here share those same values we'll all be fine!

But what if the newbies emulate some of the negative aspects of our society.Or are we saying as a culture we are practically perfect .Much like Mary poppins..

Hmm, you'd have to do a study of crime rates in areas pre and post immigration to get the figures i guess, Ilford would be a good example.

Not Bethnal Green ..Ok

What's the knife crime scene like in Bournemouth these days?"

About the same as Salisbury no doubt.

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over a year ago

"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?.

We haven’t encouraged people to be ‘different’ just more tolerant with a better understanding of different cultures, is that such a bad thing ? .

Have you heard of the Isle of eigg in Scotland?.

It's an interesting place to examine human nature and culture working on a small scale, they have no government only a local committee to oversee daily runnings.

There looking for 1 or maybe 2 new islanders this year, the reasoning was anymore wouldn't allow either the new people to get used to the current 90 or the current 90 to get used to the new 1.

It's a lovely place with zero crime which is worth spending a week or two in if you like to study human nature."

No thanks, it sounds really boring

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?.

We haven’t encouraged people to be ‘different’ just more tolerant with a better understanding of different cultures, is that such a bad thing ?

I guess as long as those who come here share those same values we'll all be fine!

But what if the newbies emulate some of the negative aspects of our society.Or are we saying as a culture we are practically perfect .Much like Mary poppins..

Hmm, you'd have to do a study of crime rates in areas pre and post immigration to get the figures i guess, Ilford would be a good example.

Not Bethnal Green ..Ok

What's the knife crime scene like in Bournemouth these days?

About the same as Salisbury no doubt.

And how multicultural is it?

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over a year ago

"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?.

We haven’t encouraged people to be ‘different’ just more tolerant with a better understanding of different cultures, is that such a bad thing ?

I guess as long as those who come here share those same values we'll all be fine!

But what if the newbies emulate some of the negative aspects of our society.Or are we saying as a culture we are practically perfect .Much like Mary poppins..

Hmm, you'd have to do a study of crime rates in areas pre and post immigration to get the figures i guess, Ilford would be a good example.

Not Bethnal Green ..Ok

What's the knife crime scene like in Bournemouth these days?

About the same as Salisbury no doubt.

And how multicultural is it?"

What has a larger impact upon crime levels in a region? Multiculturalism or poverty level?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?.

We haven’t encouraged people to be ‘different’ just more tolerant with a better understanding of different cultures, is that such a bad thing ?

I guess as long as those who come here share those same values we'll all be fine!

But what if the newbies emulate some of the negative aspects of our society.Or are we saying as a culture we are practically perfect .Much like Mary poppins..

Hmm, you'd have to do a study of crime rates in areas pre and post immigration to get the figures i guess, Ilford would be a good example.

Not Bethnal Green ..Ok

What's the knife crime scene like in Bournemouth these days?

About the same as Salisbury no doubt.

And how multicultural is it?

What has a larger impact upon crime levels in a region? Multiculturalism or poverty level?"

Well, i couldn't afford to buy a house in Ilford..

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"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?.

We haven’t encouraged people to be ‘different’ just more tolerant with a better understanding of different cultures, is that such a bad thing ?

I guess as long as those who come here share those same values we'll all be fine!

But what if the newbies emulate some of the negative aspects of our society.Or are we saying as a culture we are practically perfect .Much like Mary poppins..

Hmm, you'd have to do a study of crime rates in areas pre and post immigration to get the figures i guess, Ilford would be a good example.

Not Bethnal Green ..Ok

What's the knife crime scene like in Bournemouth these days?

About the same as Salisbury no doubt.

And how multicultural is it?

What has a larger impact upon crime levels in a region? Multiculturalism or poverty level?

Well, i couldn't afford to buy a house in Ilford.."

Nor can most of the people who live in ilford. Fancy answering the question?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?.

We haven’t encouraged people to be ‘different’ just more tolerant with a better understanding of different cultures, is that such a bad thing ?

I guess as long as those who come here share those same values we'll all be fine!

But what if the newbies emulate some of the negative aspects of our society.Or are we saying as a culture we are practically perfect .Much like Mary poppins..

Hmm, you'd have to do a study of crime rates in areas pre and post immigration to get the figures i guess, Ilford would be a good example.

Not Bethnal Green ..Ok

What's the knife crime scene like in Bournemouth these days?

About the same as Salisbury no doubt.

And how multicultural is it?

What has a larger impact upon crime levels in a region? Multiculturalism or poverty level?

Well, i couldn't afford to buy a house in Ilford..

Nor can most of the people who live in ilford. Fancy answering the question?"

Did you not see the post about jaywick?

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over a year ago

"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?.

We haven’t encouraged people to be ‘different’ just more tolerant with a better understanding of different cultures, is that such a bad thing ?

I guess as long as those who come here share those same values we'll all be fine!

But what if the newbies emulate some of the negative aspects of our society.Or are we saying as a culture we are practically perfect .Much like Mary poppins..

Hmm, you'd have to do a study of crime rates in areas pre and post immigration to get the figures i guess, Ilford would be a good example.

Not Bethnal Green ..Ok

What's the knife crime scene like in Bournemouth these days?

About the same as Salisbury no doubt.

And how multicultural is it?

What has a larger impact upon crime levels in a region? Multiculturalism or poverty level?

Well, i couldn't afford to buy a house in Ilford..

Nor can most of the people who live in ilford. Fancy answering the question?

Did you not see the post about jaywick?"

Jaywick where 35% of their crime (by far the largest chunk) is of a violent and sexual nature? That Jaywick?

I actually check crime statistics, not just trust people’s word.

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over a year ago

"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?.

We haven’t encouraged people to be ‘different’ just more tolerant with a better understanding of different cultures, is that such a bad thing ?

I guess as long as those who come here share those same values we'll all be fine!

But what if the newbies emulate some of the negative aspects of our society.Or are we saying as a culture we are practically perfect .Much like Mary poppins..

Hmm, you'd have to do a study of crime rates in areas pre and post immigration to get the figures i guess, Ilford would be a good example.

Not Bethnal Green ..Ok

What's the knife crime scene like in Bournemouth these days?

About the same as Salisbury no doubt.

And how multicultural is it?

What has a larger impact upon crime levels in a region? Multiculturalism or poverty level?

Well, i couldn't afford to buy a house in Ilford..

Nor can most of the people who live in ilford. Fancy answering the question?"

He can't answer the question because the truth doesn't fit with his islamaphobic filled brain.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?.

We haven’t encouraged people to be ‘different’ just more tolerant with a better understanding of different cultures, is that such a bad thing ?

I guess as long as those who come here share those same values we'll all be fine!

But what if the newbies emulate some of the negative aspects of our society.Or are we saying as a culture we are practically perfect .Much like Mary poppins..

Hmm, you'd have to do a study of crime rates in areas pre and post immigration to get the figures i guess, Ilford would be a good example.

Not Bethnal Green ..Ok

What's the knife crime scene like in Bournemouth these days?

About the same as Salisbury no doubt.

And how multicultural is it?

What has a larger impact upon crime levels in a region? Multiculturalism or poverty level?

Well, i couldn't afford to buy a house in Ilford..

Nor can most of the people who live in ilford. Fancy answering the question?

Did you not see the post about jaywick?

Jaywick where 35% of their crime (by far the largest chunk) is of a violent and sexual nature? That Jaywick?

I actually check crime statistics, not just trust people’s word.

That's great, but we're talking about knife crime.

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over a year ago

"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?.

We haven’t encouraged people to be ‘different’ just more tolerant with a better understanding of different cultures, is that such a bad thing ?

I guess as long as those who come here share those same values we'll all be fine!

But what if the newbies emulate some of the negative aspects of our society.Or are we saying as a culture we are practically perfect .Much like Mary poppins..

Hmm, you'd have to do a study of crime rates in areas pre and post immigration to get the figures i guess, Ilford would be a good example.

Not Bethnal Green ..Ok

What's the knife crime scene like in Bournemouth these days?

About the same as Salisbury no doubt.

And how multicultural is it?

What has a larger impact upon crime levels in a region? Multiculturalism or poverty level?

Well, i couldn't afford to buy a house in Ilford..

Nor can most of the people who live in ilford. Fancy answering the question?

Did you not see the post about jaywick?

Jaywick where 35% of their crime (by far the largest chunk) is of a violent and sexual nature? That Jaywick?

I actually check crime statistics, not just trust people’s word.

That's great, but we're talking about knife crime. "

Is knife crime not violent, then?

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"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?.

We haven’t encouraged people to be ‘different’ just more tolerant with a better understanding of different cultures, is that such a bad thing ?

I guess as long as those who come here share those same values we'll all be fine!

But what if the newbies emulate some of the negative aspects of our society.Or are we saying as a culture we are practically perfect .Much like Mary poppins..

Hmm, you'd have to do a study of crime rates in areas pre and post immigration to get the figures i guess, Ilford would be a good example.

Not Bethnal Green ..Ok

What's the knife crime scene like in Bournemouth these days?

About the same as Salisbury no doubt.

And how multicultural is it?

What has a larger impact upon crime levels in a region? Multiculturalism or poverty level?

Well, i couldn't afford to buy a house in Ilford..

Nor can most of the people who live in ilford. Fancy answering the question?

Did you not see the post about jaywick?

Jaywick where 35% of their crime (by far the largest chunk) is of a violent and sexual nature? That Jaywick?

I actually check crime statistics, not just trust people’s word.

That's great, but we're talking about knife crime.

Is knife crime not violent, then?"

Only if it supports his islamaphobic agenda.

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over a year ago

"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?.

We haven’t encouraged people to be ‘different’ just more tolerant with a better understanding of different cultures, is that such a bad thing ?

I guess as long as those who come here share those same values we'll all be fine!

But what if the newbies emulate some of the negative aspects of our society.Or are we saying as a culture we are practically perfect .Much like Mary poppins..

Hmm, you'd have to do a study of crime rates in areas pre and post immigration to get the figures i guess, Ilford would be a good example.

Not Bethnal Green ..Ok

What's the knife crime scene like in Bournemouth these days?

About the same as Salisbury no doubt.

And how multicultural is it?"

It’s probably more multicultural than Salisbury not as multicultural as Manchester or London.

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Both my kids are mixed race teenagers clem I doubt you think they are violent thugs and carry knives.

It’s would be irrational to assume this based on the colour of a persons skin or their cultural background and the clothes they wear.

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I almost completely disagree with much of what you said. I am middle aged and feel European much more than British. History is still taught in schools, but with little emphasis on the jingoistic. Generations brought up in the aftermath of the war appear to be the most nationalistic, and fear multiculturalism. Again, with music, you are only partially correct. Yes certain cultures have their own taste in music but it can easily transcend cultures. When I used to regularly and now occasionally go to clubs, I chose them for a style of music that came from a different "culture"

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"Both my kids are mixed race teenagers clem I doubt you think they are violent thugs and carry knives.

It’s would be irrational to assume this based on the colour of a persons skin or their cultural background and the clothes they wear.

Would it also be irrational not to look for correlation between crime and ethnic background/skin colour/religion?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Both my kids are mixed race teenagers clem I doubt you think they are violent thugs and carry knives.

It’s would be irrational to assume this based on the colour of a persons skin or their cultural background and the clothes they wear.

Do you think that's a result of your parenting skills, the demographic of Bournemouth, were you just lucky? Or is your wealth to thank?

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"Both my kids are mixed race teenagers clem I doubt you think they are violent thugs and carry knives.

It’s would be irrational to assume this based on the colour of a persons skin or their cultural background and the clothes they wear.

Do you think that's a result of your parenting skills, the demographic of Bournemouth, were you just lucky? Or is your wealth to thank?"

Parenting mostly and probably being able to buy into an excellent school catchment area giving them more educational opportunities .

Crime and poverty go hand in hand regardless of your heritage.

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"I do wonder how many knife victims are actually totally innocent vs one's involved in crime and drugs etc .

The poorest town in England is jaywick it's poverty level is five times the national average and unemployment six times, it also has substantial drug issues.

Hardly any knife crime though."

They probably can't afford knives

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Both my kids are mixed race teenagers clem I doubt you think they are violent thugs and carry knives.

It’s would be irrational to assume this based on the colour of a persons skin or their cultural background and the clothes they wear.

Do you think that's a result of your parenting skills, the demographic of Bournemouth, were you just lucky? Or is your wealth to thank?

Parenting mostly and probably being able to buy into an excellent school catchment area giving them more educational opportunities .

Crime and poverty go hand in hand regardless of your heritage.

So Ilford always had the same knife crime rate!

I get it.

And we should see the same crimes in other deprived areas such as those in Cornwall or Wales.

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over a year ago

"Both my kids are mixed race teenagers clem I doubt you think they are violent thugs and carry knives.

It’s would be irrational to assume this based on the colour of a persons skin or their cultural background and the clothes they wear.

Do you think that's a result of your parenting skills, the demographic of Bournemouth, were you just lucky? Or is your wealth to thank?

Parenting mostly and probably being able to buy into an excellent school catchment area giving them more educational opportunities .

Crime and poverty go hand in hand regardless of your heritage.

So Ilford always had the same knife crime rate!

I get it.

And we should see the same crimes in other deprived areas such as those in Cornwall or Wales. "

You could google scholarly articles or see what the Met have say about the correlation between poverty and crime or you could choose not to ,You could see what the government has to say about inequality/poverty and crime..

A recent 2019 government report states three-quarters of the boroughs in London with the highest levels of violent offending are also in the top 10 most deprived, while the same boroughs also have higher proportions of children under 20 living in poverty than the London average.

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In 2018 in London “Two thirds of knife offenders under 25 were black or minority ethnic”...

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over a year ago

"Both my kids are mixed race teenagers clem I doubt you think they are violent thugs and carry knives.

It’s would be irrational to assume this based on the colour of a persons skin or their cultural background and the clothes they wear.

Do you think that's a result of your parenting skills, the demographic of Bournemouth, were you just lucky? Or is your wealth to thank?

Parenting mostly and probably being able to buy into an excellent school catchment area giving them more educational opportunities .

Crime and poverty go hand in hand regardless of your heritage.

So Ilford always had the same knife crime rate!

I get it.

And we should see the same crimes in other deprived areas such as those in Cornwall or Wales. "

If you search hard enough, eventually you'll find "evidence" it's all Muslims. Keep going.

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over a year ago

"If you search hard enough, eventually you'll find "evidence" it's all Muslims. Keep going."

Take a look at FullFact.org. In London it's not 'all muslims' but it is about two thirds BAME.......

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"Thinking that they will be gran bretannia again?.

We haven’t encouraged people to be ‘different’ just more tolerant with a better understanding of different cultures, is that such a bad thing ?

I guess as long as those who come here share those same values we'll all be fine!

But what if the newbies emulate some of the negative aspects of our society.Or are we saying as a culture we are practically perfect .Much like Mary poppins..

Hmm, you'd have to do a study of crime rates in areas pre and post immigration to get the figures i guess, Ilford would be a good example.

Not Bethnal Green ..Ok

What's the knife crime scene like in Bournemouth these days?

About the same as Salisbury no doubt.

And how multicultural is it?

What has a larger impact upon crime levels in a region? Multiculturalism or poverty level?

Well, i couldn't afford to buy a house in Ilford..

Nor can most of the people who live in ilford. Fancy answering the question?

Did you not see the post about jaywick?

Jaywick where 35% of their crime (by far the largest chunk) is of a violent and sexual nature? That Jaywick?

I actually check crime statistics, not just trust people’s word.

"
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I said it was poor and had crime problems along with drug problems but my point was actually about knife crime being linked to poverty and drugs, that's not too say they don't influence it but it isn't the whole picture otherwise jaywick would have knife crime on the same scale but it doesn't!.

Why do you think the poorest town in England with exceptionally high rates of drugs and unemployment has lower knife crime rates than London?.

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"Both my kids are mixed race teenagers clem I doubt you think they are violent thugs and carry knives.

It’s would be irrational to assume this based on the colour of a persons skin or their cultural background and the clothes they wear.

Do you think that's a result of your parenting skills, the demographic of Bournemouth, were you just lucky? Or is your wealth to thank?

Parenting mostly and probably being able to buy into an excellent school catchment area giving them more educational opportunities .

Crime and poverty go hand in hand regardless of your heritage.

So Ilford always had the same knife crime rate!

I get it.

And we should see the same crimes in other deprived areas such as those in Cornwall or Wales.

"
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Yet jaywick doesn't have the knife crime or the crime rate in general of all those boroughs in London despite being poorer than all of them?.

Why is that?.

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"In 2018 in London “Two thirds of knife offenders under 25 were black or minority ethnic”..."

In 2016/17 85% of child sex offenders in the UK were white males.

See how statistics can be uncomfortable things?

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over a year ago

"If you search hard enough, eventually you'll find "evidence" it's all Muslims. Keep going.

Take a look at FullFact.org. In London it's not 'all muslims' but it is about two thirds BAME......."

Chill. I'm making fun of the above posters notorious islamaphobic opinions.

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"In 2018 in London “Two thirds of knife offenders under 25 were black or minority ethnic”...

In 2016/17 85% of child sex offenders in the UK were white males.

See how statistics can be uncomfortable things?

How or why would that statistic make any sensible person uncomfortable?

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"In 2018 in London “Two thirds of knife offenders under 25 were black or minority ethnic”...

In 2016/17 85% of child sex offenders in the UK were white males.

See how statistics can be uncomfortable things?

Should the police have powers to stop and search all white males and check their phones for child pornographhy.

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Should the police have powers to stop and search all white males and check their phones for child pornographhy."

I am a white male with absolutely nothing to hide. If stopped by the police to be searched for 'anything' it would cause me not one iota of angst, in fact it would fill me with encouragement that they were seriously attempting to combat crime.

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Should the police have powers to stop and search all white males and check their phones for child pornographhy.

There begins a slippery slope into totalitarianism.

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Should the police have powers to stop and search all white males and check their phones for child pornographhy.

Great let’s stop all white males and see if they are pedophiles I’m sure the public will approve.I wonder why it hasn’t happened yet..?

Write to your MP pronto ..

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Great let’s stop all white males and see if they are pedophiles I’m sure the public will approve.I wonder why it hasn’t happened yet..?

Write to your MP pronto ..

If you have nothing to hide what is the problem?

if you don't fit the 'profile' what is the likelihood of it ever happening?

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Great let’s stop all white males and see if they are pedophiles I’m sure the public will approve.I wonder why it hasn’t happened yet..?

Write to your MP pronto ..

If you have nothing to hide what is the problem?

if you don't fit the 'profile' what is the likelihood of it ever happening?"

‘The profile’ in this theoretical situation is white male.

Just as in reality for some ‘the profile’ of a terrorist is Arabic male, the profile of ‘knife attacker’ is black male and so on.

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over a year ago

a permanent state of arousal

Great let’s stop all white males and see if they are pedophiles I’m sure the public will approve.I wonder why it hasn’t happened yet..?

Write to your MP pronto ..

If you have nothing to hide what is the problem?

if you don't fit the 'profile' what is the likelihood of it ever happening?"

herandhimforfun i just found out from google that the average height of a pedo is 5'6". Your profile says you are 5'6", we'll need you to upload and share your internet search history every day please. Sorry but you fit the profile.

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over a year ago

I would have absolutely no problem with that.

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over a year ago

I would have absolutely no problem with that."

So you support a totalitarian state?

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over a year ago

"Both my kids are mixed race teenagers clem I doubt you think they are violent thugs and carry knives.

It’s would be irrational to assume this based on the colour of a persons skin or their cultural background and the clothes they wear.

Do you think that's a result of your parenting skills, the demographic of Bournemouth, were you just lucky? Or is your wealth to thank?

Parenting mostly and probably being able to buy into an excellent school catchment area giving them more educational opportunities .

Crime and poverty go hand in hand regardless of your heritage.

So Ilford always had the same knife crime rate!

I get it.

And we should see the same crimes in other deprived areas such as those in Cornwall or Wales.

Yet jaywick doesn't have the knife crime or the crime rate in general of all those boroughs in London despite being poorer than all of them?.

Why is that?.

Probably because the poverty makes it a poor market for drug gangs and so they dont bother having turf wars over it? Not exactly rocket science is it?

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By *lirtyFellaMan
over a year ago

a permanent state of arousal

I would have absolutely no problem with that."

Well then, upload and share your internet history with us then. We have to make sure you are not a pedo.

Also, there has been an increase in genital herpes cases in men over 45. Can you get yourself checked and provide us with an STI clear certificate within 7 days.

Sorry but you fit the profile.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

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I would have absolutely no problem with that.

Well then, upload and share your internet history with us then. We have to make sure you are not a pedo.

Also, there has been an increase in genital herpes cases in men over 45. Can you get yourself checked and provide us with an STI clear certificate within 7 days.

Sorry but you fit the profile.

If he doesn't want to comply, I assume he'll start rioting, setting fire to buildings and looting! Nice one. Now look what you've done!!

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over a year ago

Well then, upload and share your internet history with us then. We have to make sure you are not a pedo.

Also, there has been an increase in genital herpes cases in men over 45. Can you get yourself checked and provide us with an STI clear certificate within 7 days.

Sorry but you fit the profile.

If the police authorities required that of me I would have no problems with that.

You can keep on fishing as much as you want but it will not alter my opinion.

I'm 62 and have never been stopped and searched which will be because I don't fit any of the profiles that do.

If you fit the profile and get stopped and searched don't blame the police blame those that have caused that.

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over a year ago

These forums get worse by the week

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By *lirtyFellaMan
over a year ago

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"I'm 62 and have never been stopped and searched which will be because I don't fit any of the profiles that do"

You're 62 and white and 5'6". The exact same profile as Gary Glitter......hmmmmmm...... Where's that search history? Have you got something to hide? Is that why you aren't sharing it?

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over a year ago

"I'm 62 and have never been stopped and searched which will be because I don't fit any of the profiles that do

You're 62 and white and 5'6". The exact same profile as Gary Glitter......hmmmmmm...... Where's that search history? Have you got something to hide? Is that why you aren't sharing it?"

Dear oh dear oh dear

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By *lirtyFellaMan
over a year ago

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"Dear oh dear oh dear

I know right!? I hope you realise how horrible it is to be profiled. If you don't, congratulations on being born the right skin colour to never be profiled.

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over a year ago

"Dear oh dear oh dear

I know right!? I hope you realise how horrible it is to be profiled. If you don't, congratulations on being born the right skin colour to never be profiled."

Nope, I was simply remaking on the complete daftness of the post.

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over a year ago

"Both my kids are mixed race teenagers clem I doubt you think they are violent thugs and carry knives.

It’s would be irrational to assume this based on the colour of a persons skin or their cultural background and the clothes they wear.

Do you think that's a result of your parenting skills, the demographic of Bournemouth, were you just lucky? Or is your wealth to thank?

Parenting mostly and probably being able to buy into an excellent school catchment area giving them more educational opportunities .

Crime and poverty go hand in hand regardless of your heritage.

So Ilford always had the same knife crime rate!

I get it.

And we should see the same crimes in other deprived areas such as those in Cornwall or Wales.

Yet jaywick doesn't have the knife crime or the crime rate in general of all those boroughs in London despite being poorer than all of them?.

Why is that?.

Probably because the poverty makes it a poor market for drug gangs and so they dont bother having turf wars over it? Not exactly rocket science is it?

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But the majority of the stabbings aren't drug related!.

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over a year ago

"In 2018 in London “Two thirds of knife offenders under 25 were black or minority ethnic”...

In 2016/17 85% of child sex offenders in the UK were white males.

See how statistics can be uncomfortable things?

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Sounds about right 85% of the population are white

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over a year ago

"Both my kids are mixed race teenagers clem I doubt you think they are violent thugs and carry knives.

It’s would be irrational to assume this based on the colour of a persons skin or their cultural background and the clothes they wear.

Do you think that's a result of your parenting skills, the demographic of Bournemouth, were you just lucky? Or is your wealth to thank?

Parenting mostly and probably being able to buy into an excellent school catchment area giving them more educational opportunities .

Crime and poverty go hand in hand regardless of your heritage.

So Ilford always had the same knife crime rate!

I get it.

And we should see the same crimes in other deprived areas such as those in Cornwall or Wales.

Yet jaywick doesn't have the knife crime or the crime rate in general of all those boroughs in London despite being poorer than all of them?.

Why is that?.

Probably because the poverty makes it a poor market for drug gangs and so they dont bother having turf wars over it? Not exactly rocket science is it?

But the majority of the stabbings aren't drug related!."

How do you know? They are gang related, and what do most gangs sell??

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By *lirtyFellaMan
over a year ago

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"Nope, I was simply remaking on the complete daftness of the post.

Then I made my point poorly or we've reached an impasse.

Either way i enjoyed the debate and learnt more about the case against racial profiling. Thank you for your time.

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over a year ago

"Dear oh dear oh dear

I know right!? I hope you realise how horrible it is to be profiled. If you don't, congratulations on being born the right skin colour to never be profiled.

Nope, I was simply remaking on the complete daftness of the post.

It wasn’t daft, he has made a very valid point , white old men are more likely to be peados, you can’t argue with facts

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over a year ago

"In 2018 in London “Two thirds of knife offenders under 25 were black or minority ethnic”...

In 2016/17 85% of child sex offenders in the UK were white males.

See how statistics can be uncomfortable things?

Sounds about right 85% of the population are white

85% of the population are white males? You’re sure?

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Either way i enjoyed the debate and learnt more about the case against racial profiling. Thank you for your time.

The term 'racial profiling is too emotive, take racial out of it and just refer to it as profiling.

If the 2018 stats confirm that in London over 2 thirds of knife crime was committed by BAME folk then why not profile and act accordingly?

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By *lirtyFellaMan
over a year ago

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Either way i enjoyed the debate and learnt more about the case against racial profiling. Thank you for your time.

The term 'racial profiling is too emotive, take racial out of it and just refer to it as profiling.

If the 2018 stats confirm that in London over 2 thirds of knife crime was committed by BAME folk then why not profile and act accordingly?"

Because profiling groups everyone of that profile in the same group whether they are guilty or innocent.

Currently you are in the pedo group. How does it feel?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On QT last night one of the guests, who I thought was inciteful on many subjects, said quite bluntly that the majority of stabbings in London are by black youths and the majority of victims black. A basic fact. Does that make him racist?

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

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need an identity to have a crisis.

I think England in particular has lost the plot.

Basically everyone in the UK & Ireland are related through common ancestor, the DNA says we all arrived here back when the ice melted.

Irish & Highland and Hibdrides Scotland are basically Brothers & Sisters.

But the picts/lowland scots are genetically their cousins. So they have a Grandparent in common.

The Welsh and the English are Cousins, not brother/sisters. So they have a Grandparent in common.

Now the Grandparent of every Scottish/Pict person and Every Irish person, was Brother to the Grandfather of the English/Welsh.

Now here is where it gets interesting, the English are genetically closer to the Scottish than the Welsh, in fact the English are closer to the Scottish than northern Welsh and Southern welsh are together.

This is like genes skipping a Generation.

Imagine two brothers One red hair, One black. The Red hair parent had the Scottish and Irish. His black haired brother had the welsh and English. However he was carrying the red hair gene, and the English got that, so they ended up closer to the Scottish/Irish, than his black haired Welsh child.

We should be having the craic non stop together. But we cant even agree on the price of a packet of crisps. And we keep trying to erode each others idenitites instead of strengthening them.

Ah well, its going to get worse I think. The people that rule think eroding national pride is the way to make people toe the line, when in fact its the opposite.

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By *lirtyFellaMan
over a year ago

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"On QT last night one of the guests, who I thought was inciteful on many subjects, said quite bluntly that the majority of stabbings in London are by black youths and the majority of victims black. A basic fact. Does that make him racist?"

Here's some more basic facts:

- Most convicted pedos in the UK are white males aged 45+. And most of the victims are white children.

- Most convicted rapists in the UK are white males.

Stating the race of the criminals and victims serves to make this a race issue.

How about the 'basic fact' that most of these stabbings happened in the poorest boroughs of London? Areas with drug and crime problems, areas with the least opportunities for youths, areas with under funded schools and councils?

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

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Here's some more basic facts:

- Most convicted pedos in the UK are white males aged 45+. And most of the victims are white children.

- Most convicted rapists in the UK are white males.

Stating the race of the criminals and victims serves to make this a race issue.

But isn't that what you'd expect to see in a white majority country?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Either way i enjoyed the debate and learnt more about the case against racial profiling. Thank you for your time.

The term 'racial profiling is too emotive, take racial out of it and just refer to it as profiling.

If the 2018 stats confirm that in London over 2 thirds of knife crime was committed by BAME folk then why not profile and act accordingly?

Because profiling groups everyone of that profile in the same group whether they are guilty or innocent.

Currently you are in the pedo group. How does it feel?"

It feels fine as I am not a kiddy fiddler and would be more than happy for the police to check that

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

Either way i enjoyed the debate and learnt more about the case against racial profiling. Thank you for your time.

The term 'racial profiling is too emotive, take racial out of it and just refer to it as profiling.

If the 2018 stats confirm that in London over 2 thirds of knife crime was committed by BAME folk then why not profile and act accordingly?

Because profiling groups everyone of that profile in the same group whether they are guilty or innocent.

Currently you are in the pedo group. How does it feel?

It feels fine as I am not a kiddy fiddler and would be more than happy for the police to check that

Your protestations of innocence is irrelevant.

It would be up to the authorities to decide if you are a “kiddy fiddler” the fact you fit the profile would be enough for the state to investigate you.I am sure being stopped in public as a potential pedo would be an invigorating experience...

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By *lirtyFellaMan
over a year ago

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It feels fine as I am not a kiddy fiddler and would be more than happy for the police to check that

There's more risk you'll go pedo than others so we'll let the police continuously keep checking on you just in case. Cuz you fit the profile. We never know when you might offend. Sorry for any intrusion this causes to your life, if you get late for work/appointments but you fit the profile.

I think we are at an impasse. It feels like our lived experiences are vastly different and none of us are gonna change our opinion. Thanks for the debate tho. I've learnt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dear oh dear oh dear

I know right!? I hope you realise how horrible it is to be profiled. If you don't, congratulations on being born the right skin colour to never be profiled.

Nope, I was simply remaking on the complete daftness of the post.

It wasn’t daft, he has made a very valid point , white old men are more likely to be peados, you can’t argue with facts

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That's not how it works.

It's actually the opposite most peados are more likely to be white old men.

If what you said we're true then we would say most Pakistani Muslim men are more likely to be category 2 peados, you don't think that do you?.

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over a year ago

It feels fine as I am not a kiddy fiddler and would be more than happy for the police to check that

I think we are at an impasse. It feels like our lived experiences are vastly different and none of us are gonna change our opinion. Thanks for the debate tho. I've learnt.

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Again this is just idiocy, police profiling isn't used to stop individuals, it's used to narrow down searches into a smaller field so that you can concentrate your manpower on the likeliest sources, nobody stops and searchers individuals based on profiling.

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over a year ago

Your protestations of innocence is irrelevant.

As I am not why would I be frightened of being investigated?

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over a year ago

It feels fine as I am not a kiddy fiddler and would be more than happy for the police to check that

I think we are at an impasse. It feels like our lived experiences are vastly different and none of us are gonna change our opinion. Thanks for the debate tho. I've learnt.

Why would I fear being checked?

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over a year ago

It feels fine as I am not a kiddy fiddler and would be more than happy for the police to check that

I think we are at an impasse. It feels like our lived experiences are vastly different and none of us are gonna change our opinion. Thanks for the debate tho. I've learnt.

Let’s hope this was a teachable moment .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Really? Apparently all 5’6 white 62 year olds are kiddy fiddlers

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over a year ago

Your protestations of innocence is irrelevant.

As I am not why would I be frightened of being investigated? "

That’s for the authorities to decided..

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over a year ago

That’s for the authorities to decided..

And as I'm not their decision would be?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

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In 2018 in London “Two thirds of knife offenders under 25 were black or minority ethnic”..."

Peoples race is something we should look beyond, unless we are showing empathy and want the best for everyone

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over a year ago

That’s for the authorities to decided..

And as I'm not their decision would be?"

Have you been investigated before?

Has anyone in authority looked at your internet history ??

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over a year ago

That’s for the authorities to decided..

And as I'm not their decision would be?

Have you been investigated before?

Has anyone in authority looked at your internet history ??"

Nope, so clearly I don't fit the profile

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over a year ago

That’s for the authorities to decided..

And as I'm not their decision would be?

Have you been investigated before?

Has anyone in authority looked at your internet history ??

Nope, so clearly I don't fit the profile

Much like Schrödinger’s pedophile .Until you are pulled aside and investigated your are both guilty and innocence.

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over a year ago

Much like Schrödinger’s pedophile .Until you are pulled aside and investigated your are both guilty and innocence.

Absolutely, hence my absolute willingness to be fully open to investigation if asked.

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over a year ago

Much like Schrödinger’s pedophile .Until you are pulled aside and investigated your are both guilty and innocence.

Absolutely, hence my absolute willingness to be fully open to investigation if asked."

I’m sure you approve a dragnet of the aged male white community..

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over a year ago

I’m sure you approve a dragnet of the aged male white community..

Why on earth would you think that? Very bizarre....

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over a year ago

I’m sure you approve a dragnet of the aged male white community..

Why on earth would you think that? Very bizarre....

Aren’t you concerned about the heinous crimes committed by the majority of sex offenders...

Strange indeed.You are infavour of profiling groups to reduce crime right.?

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over a year ago

Aren’t you concerned about the heinous crimes committed by the majority of sex offenders...

Strange indeed.You are infavour of profiling groups to reduce crime right.?

Absolutely and thankfully those in the know understand there is a little bit more to it than the daft notion that because he's old and white he's a pedo, but I'm guessing a smart chap like you already knows that.

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Aren’t you concerned about the heinous crimes committed by the majority of sex offenders...

Strange indeed.You are infavour of profiling groups to reduce crime right.?

So the penny drops and you see there is no logic in stopping all young black men .Because he’s young and black he must be carrying a knife and be violent.

I knew this was a teachable moment .Have a lovely evening.

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over a year ago

Here's some more basic facts:

- Most convicted pedos in the UK are white males aged 45+. And most of the victims are white children.

- Most convicted rapists in the UK are white males.

Stating the race of the criminals and victims serves to make this a race issue.

I didn't mention paedos , just a fact stated by someone on QT. I'm asking if making that statement made him racist. He wsnted resource put into the black community to combat it possitively and I think he is 100% right. So is he racist?

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over a year ago

"So the penny drops and you see there is no logic in stopping all young black men .Because he’s young and black he must be carrying a knife and be violent.

I knew this was a teachable moment .Have a lovely evening.

Feel free to point out where I suggested that ALL 'young and black men must be carrying a knife and be violent'

Hence no penny has dropped and no teaching has been imparted.....

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over a year ago

Ah well never mind you can lead a horse to water ...

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over a year ago

"Ah well never mind you can lead a horse to water ...

I am guessing that will be a no then.......

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over a year ago

"Ah well never mind you can lead a horse to water ...

I am guessing that will be a no then......."

Actually you said

“over 2 thirds of knife crime was committed by BAME folk then why not profile and act accordingly?"

Can we assume you want 2 thirds of BAME profiled.But for some reason your not comfortable with same aged white populations profiled accordingly??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ah well never mind you can lead a horse to water ...

I am guessing that will be a no then.......

Actually you said

“over 2 thirds of knife crime was committed by BAME folk then why not profile and act accordingly?"

Can we assume you want 2 thirds of BAME profiled.But for some reason your not comfortable with same aged white populations profiled accordingly??"

Oh my, where to start.

If you can explain to me how “over 2 thirds of knife crime was committed by BAME folk then why not profile and act accordingly?" extrapolates out to me wanting 2 thirds of BAME folk profiled I would be very grateful.

Also can you point out where at any stage in this debate I offered up the notion that 'But for some reason your not comfortable with same aged white populations profiled accordingly??'

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over a year ago

"Ah well never mind you can lead a horse to water ...

I am guessing that will be a no then.......

Actually you said

“over 2 thirds of knife crime was committed by BAME folk then why not profile and act accordingly?"

Can we assume you want 2 thirds of BAME profiled.But for some reason your not comfortable with same aged white populations profiled accordingly??

Oh my, where to start.

Also can you point out where at any stage in this debate I offered up the notion that 'But for some reason your not comfortable with same aged white populations profiled accordingly??'"

So profile accordingly needs definition.What percentage of young black males do you want stopped and searched?and you say it’s daft to assume old and white makes you a pedo Yet say profiling accordingly BAME is that ok?

Which is more concern to you knife in the black community crime or or sexual offenders in the aged white community as one is “daft “

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over a year ago

Which is more concern to you knife in the black community crime or or sexual offenders in the aged white community as one is “daft “

Again just where to start with this daftness.

Profiling determines who is most likely to be ‘caught’ for their crimes.

The fact that in 2018 two thirds of all knife crime in London was committed by BAME does in no way indicate that two thirds of BAME are guilty of knife crime, thinking it does is just daft.

What that stat suggests is that within the BAME grouping there is a specific target group that are committing two thirds of knife crimes and the profilers will determine who that is accordingly.

The same applies across all ‘crime groupings’ and those criminals should be profiled and targeted accordingly irrespective of ethnicity.

Not really sure why you are struggling with this.

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over a year ago

Which is more concern to you knife in the black community crime or or sexual offenders in the aged white community as one is “daft “

Again just where to start with this daftness.

Profiling determines who is most likely to be ‘caught’ for their crimes.

The fact that in 2018 two thirds of all knife crime in London was committed by BAME does in no way indicate that two thirds of BAME are guilty of knife crime, thinking it does is just daft.

What that stat suggests is that within the BAME grouping there is a specific target group that are committing two thirds of knife crimes and the profilers will determine who that is accordingly.

The same applies across all ‘crime groupings’ and those criminals should be profiled and targeted accordingly irrespective of ethnicity.

Not really sure why you are struggling with this.

Are you unaware of the disproportionate police stop and search statistics ?

You should be aware that black people are 40 times more likely to be stopped and searched than white people.

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over a year ago

Are you unaware of the disproportionate police stop and search statistics ?

You should be aware that black people are 40 times more likely to be stopped and searched than white people.

Any thoughts on why that is the case?

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over a year ago

Are you unaware of the disproportionate police stop and search statistics ?

You should be aware that black people are 40 times more likely to be stopped and searched than white people.

Any thoughts on why that is the case?"

Do you think black people are 40 times more likely to be criminals??

Black people make up 15% of London’s population while white people make up 60% .

There’s much research acknowledging the disproportionate response which concludes racial bias as the reason.

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over a year ago

Do you think black people are 40 times more likely to be criminals??

Black people make up 15% of London’s population while white people make up 60% .

There’s much research acknowledging the disproportionate response which concludes racial bias as the reason.

If in 2018 roughly 2 thirds of all knife crime in London was carried out by BAME...........

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Do you think black people are 40 times more likely to be criminals??

Black people make up 15% of London’s population while white people make up 60% .

There’s much research acknowledging the disproportionate response which concludes racial bias as the reason.

If in 2018 roughly 2 thirds of all knife crime in London was carried out by BAME..........."

I’ll try one last time.

Where a community is over-represented within a model of criminality, like for example, in cases of child abuse, where nearly 90 per cent of the perpetrators are white men we wouldn’t stop and detain white males disproportionately.

In the year ending March 2019, the police in England and Wales recorded 73,260 sexual offences .

Knife crime in England and Wales. Offences recorded by the police reached 44,771, according Office for National Statistics (ONS).

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From my experience you can only talk crime statistics if the demograph is white

Try talking crime statistics from ethnic minority groups is severally frowned upon even when the facts are staring you in the face.

Just the society we live in I guess.

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over a year ago

Do you think black people are 40 times more likely to be criminals??

Black people make up 15% of London’s population while white people make up 60% .

There’s much research acknowledging the disproportionate response which concludes racial bias as the reason.

If in 2018 roughly 2 thirds of all knife crime in London was carried out by BAME...........

I’ll try one last time.

In the year ending March 2019, the police in England and Wales recorded 73,260 sexual offences .

Knife crime in England and Wales. Offences recorded by the police reached 44,771, according Office for National Statistics (ONS).

I can see you are keen to make this a racism issue but the numbers do not support that. Take a look at the Gov figures for stop and search and ask yourself why the numbers in other ethnic groupings are so low. If there is institutional racism in the police across the UK how can that be?

If over 2 thirds of knife crime in London in 2018 was committed by members of the BAME grouping then what is wrong with profiling likely offenders in that grouping and targeting them for stop and search?

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"From my experience you can only talk crime statistics if the demograph is white

Try talking crime statistics from ethnic minority groups is severally frowned upon even when the facts are staring you in the face.

Just the society we live in I guess. "

Can you expand upon that..

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

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"From my experience you can only talk crime statistics if the demograph is white

Try talking crime statistics from ethnic minority groups is severally frowned upon even when the facts are staring you in the face.

Just the society we live in I guess.

Can you expand upon that.."

Very very often discussions about minority crime statistics are met with accusations of racism and trying to combat the problems of the statistics are then frowned upon siting racial tensions will increase for trying to tackle the issues.

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over a year ago

The claim that policing practice in the UK is institutionally racist was widely accepted after the Macpherson Report .

Macpherson defined institutional racism as “the collective failure of an organisation to provide an appropriate and professional service to people because of their colour, culture or ethnic origin”. It is seen in “processes, attitudes and behaviour which amount to discrimination through unwitting prejudice, ignorance, thoughtlessness and racist stereotyping which disadvantages minority ethnic people”.

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Widely accepted by who?

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By (user no longer on site)
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"The claim that policing practice in the UK is institutionally racist was widely accepted after the Macpherson Report .

None of which explains why if two thirds of knife crime is committed by BAME individuals that targeting those within the BAME grouping who fit the profile is a bad thing?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

Can we pick up on that again in around 20 years time.

Would be nice to see the opinion in 20 years time but i will be dead.

Nah! You will be like us. Still trawling around FAB looking for geriatric sex.

Well said. You really do make me laugh sometimes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Widely accepted by who? "

You can google the practices that changed and what the government did and how the met changed .There were 70 recommendations most have been implemented by the the police.

So the report was acted upon by the government and the judiciary and the police .

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