FabSwingers.com forum: Diplomatic immunity

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I see the usa have rebuffed (there words not mine )the extradition of Harry Dunn killer saying she could face jail for a unfortunate accident.sorry but that how it works.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

The UK could have stopped them leaving the country, could have arrested them and put them in Jail.

Diplomatic immunity is not a free card to break the law. People think the UK police are powerless but they are not.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

you are talking about 2 different things here....

1) diplomatic immunity from charge whilst in the uk...

2) US policy on extradition for US citizens whilst in the US...

basically... the US govt do not (and never have) extradited any of their citizens for potential crimes committed in other countries... she could in theory come back voluntarily to face trial

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The incident would have resulted in her arrest and likely severe punishment in the USA. An equivalent UK partner to an equivalent member of our staff there would have been subject to their courts.

Boris isn't going to have his staff cause issues, whilst his buddy Trump is in power.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Like Trumps administration would send her back before the election.

America First and fuck the consequences.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Would Obama have sent her back then ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No President would in my opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder what will happen the next time the US asks for someone to be extradited from the U.K. to them ?

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"I wonder what will happen the next time the US asks for someone to be extradited from the U.K. to them ?

Boris will say yes sir, please sir, three bags full sir, do you want a blow job with that sir

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wonder what will happen the next time the US asks for someone to be extradited from the U.K. to them ?

Boris will say yes sir, please sir, three bags full sir, do you want a blow job with that sir"

Boris is trumps bitch ,and the Boris fanboys are cucks to their American masters..

About as unpatriotic as you can get to bend over for the yanks .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wonder what will happen the next time the US asks for someone to be extradited from the U.K. to them ?

Boris will say yes sir, please sir, three bags full sir, do you want a blow job with that sir

Boris is trumps bitch ,and the Boris fanboys are cucks to their American masters..

About as unpatriotic as you can get to bend over for the yanks .

Most probably very true

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I seem to recall a question mark over whether she actually had diplomatic immunity or not.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"I wonder what will happen the next time the US asks for someone to be extradited from the U.K. to them ?

that is the interesting question.. because the US have asked for UK citizens to the extradited to the US for cyber crimes, notably hacking of systems....

the govt have said yes, but some courts have then said no on health and mental grounds (i think one of them had aspergers)

anyway... next one gets thrown up... the harry dunn arguement is going to be thrown back at them

bare in mind the US is not the only government that doesn't extradite citizens... why do you think julian assange specifically went to the ecuadorian embassy!!

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"I wonder what will happen the next time the US asks for someone to be extradited from the U.K. to them ?

that is the interesting question.. because the US have asked for UK citizens to the extradited to the US for cyber crimes, notably hacking of systems....

the govt have said yes, but some courts have then said no on health and mental grounds (i think one of them had aspergers)

anyway... next one gets thrown up... the harry dunn arguement is going to be thrown back at them

bare in mind the US is not the only government that doesn't extradite citizens... why do you think julian assange specifically went to the ecuadorian embassy!!"
True France has a policy where it wont extradite its citizens too as do a lot of countries.

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By *ice__blokeMan
over a year ago

redcar

She should have handed herself into the police, instead of driving away, hit and run ?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I do feel for the family.

It's bad enough the guy is killed.

But then to be thrust into this and have geo-politics thwart justice must be an awful feeling.

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By *coptoCouple
over a year ago

Côte d'Azur & Great Yarmouth

“The incident would have resulted in her arrest and likely severe punishment in the USA. An equivalent UK partner to an equivalent member of our staff there would have been subject to their courts”

NOT AT ALL (Article 29 VCDR).

The Yanks would take you to the nearest airport and put you on the next ‘plane out of the country. Tough shit its destination - your problem - and if the ‘plane were full somebody would be thrown off... As my old boss used to say: “You’re nobody until you’ve been png’d (declared a persona non grata and expelled)”.

Further, diplomatic immunity granted to a diplomatic agent extends to family and household staff, remember Peter Mandelson’s “houseboy”? But it’s only valid in the “receiving State”, my kids could never understand why I still had to be careful where I parked when visiting the UK (“Papa, you’ve got a CD number plate, you can park anywhere”).

The only time the “sending State” would waive diplomatic immunity would be to allow legal proceedings in its own country. Simply put, a diplomat abroad is treated differently if he/she kills a fellow countryman as opposed to a “local”.

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

Another example of where the so called ‘special relationship’ is nothing of the sort. Where is Hugh Grant when you need him?

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"you are talking about 2 different things here....

1) diplomatic immunity from charge whilst in the uk...

2) US policy on extradition for US citizens whilst in the US...

basically... the US govt do not (and never have) extradited any of their citizens for potential crimes committed in other countries... she could in theory come back voluntarily to face trial "

Between Jan 2004 and Dec 2011 there were 7 US citizens extradited from the US to the UK.

Freedom of Information request, Home Office reference 21402 of 14th February.

The question was "how many US citizens have been extradited from the US to the UK for offences committed in the UK since 2003?"

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Would Obama have sent her back then ?"
No he hates the British

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"Would Obama have sent her back then ?No he hates the British"

Wrong.

And I also think that he would have taken moves to get her to stand trial.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

"Further, diplomatic immunity granted to a diplomatic agent extends to family and household staff, remember Peter Mandelson’s “houseboy”? But it’s only valid in the “receiving State”, my kids could never understand why I still had to be careful where I parked when visiting the UK (“Papa, you’ve got a CD number plate, you can park anywhere”).

Nope, It is not always granted to family. Service staff of a diplomat can be arrested and their family can too.

Only a diplomats direct administration and technical staff are supposed to get immunity. These are the people dealing directly in their affairs, and their family are also covered.

The home country will have a set of procedures in place to deal with complaints about family memebers and even diplomats themselves. Russia did this for Canada.

The basic thing is, NSA agents in the UK shouldnt even have diplomatic immunity. They are spy agents, spying is basically not okay to do and is supposed to get you kicked out. The NSA are not support staff for the diplomats etc. However the US did say they were going to start their own set of procedures which meant moving the woman out of the UK, they also told the UK to let them know if this was a problem and they wanted the US to waive any immunity she might have.

The UK basically let her leave, and then logged a notice that they would like her to stay, when they were told she was gone.

At this point, its basically impossible to get her back. The US rarely ever sends people out of their country to go to jail. We send people they request all the time. UK/Ireland, but its almost never the other way around.

American courts are not like ours, they are highly political.

American companies can rip your patent off and if youre a UK company, you will go bankrupt trying to defend it. However if youre a UK company and you rip off an American patent good luck staying alive.

My brothers company had a patent ripped off in America. The court case dragged on and on, and it got to the final arguments where they were told they would lose. Their silent backer was HP an american giant who finally weighed in on the argument and said that the IP belonged to my brothers company. And that it was their american IP as they were the silent backers. Judge did a 180, told the other american company to get lost.

As far as american courts are concerned, the UK or Ireland or Germany might as well be Russia or Iran, they just will not go down on our side unless its the will of a large American company that they do.

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