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By *ercury OP   Man
over a year ago

Grantham

In an interview on Countryfile on January 26th. Environment Minister, Theresa Villiers, will confirm that the EU ban on chlorinated chicken and hormone enhanced beef will be transferred over to UK law, thus maintaining the high standards set.

Obviously this will not please our American cousins, who have been in dispute since 1997 over this matter.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Isn't that just the default position - that on Day One, all existing EU regulation becomes UK regulation?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Isn't that just the default position - that on Day One, all existing EU regulation becomes UK regulation?"

I think thats what we call nothing to see here! This government loves making pronouncements about stuff that hasn’t changed as if they are actually doing something positive. Its as close to lying as they can wing it!

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

Except that in 2005, the European food safety authority stated that there are no adverse health effects of consuming chlorinated chicken . Probably because it is common practice across the EU for fruit and vegetables to be chlorine washed . Double standards methinks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Except that in 2005, the European food safety authority stated that there are no adverse health effects of consuming chlorinated chicken . Probably because it is common practice across the EU for fruit and vegetables to be chlorine washed . Double standards methinks."

Yes you do have them dont you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Except that in 2005, the European food safety authority stated that there are no adverse health effects of consuming chlorinated chicken . Probably because it is common practice across the EU for fruit and vegetables to be chlorine washed . Double standards methinks."

The chlorine isn't the issue, it's the possibility that hygiene standards may fall during the process and rely on the chlorine wash at the end to make up for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Except that in 2005, the European food safety authority stated that there are no adverse health effects of consuming chlorinated chicken . Probably because it is common practice across the EU for fruit and vegetables to be chlorine washed . Double standards methinks.

The chlorine isn't the issue, it's the possibility that hygiene standards may fall during the process and rely on the chlorine wash at the end to make up for it. "

Exactly the point. Anyone remember the story from a few years ago of a gang in Birmingham I believe who made a fortune out of recycling condemned and contaminated chicken by washing it in bleach before selling it to curry houses?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Except that in 2005, the European food safety authority stated that there are no adverse health effects of consuming chlorinated chicken . Probably because it is common practice across the EU for fruit and vegetables to be chlorine washed . Double standards methinks.

The chlorine isn't the issue, it's the possibility that hygiene standards may fall during the process and rely on the chlorine wash at the end to make up for it.

Exactly the point. Anyone remember the story from a few years ago of a gang in Birmingham I believe who made a fortune out of recycling condemned and contaminated chicken by washing it in bleach before selling it to curry houses?"

Yeah I remember that, chickens with mold being washed and scrubbed with bleach, yummy

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Judge by outcomes, not talk.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Here's a couple of reports to get some perspective on the UK prospects:

INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND

The UK's public finances are among the weakest in the developed world.

Since the financial crisis, the UK's negative net worth has doubled, representing a £1,000 billion decline in UK Government wealth.

UK public assets valued at £3tn and UK public liabilities valued at £5th

Only Portugal ranks below the UK for its long-term sustainability.

HOUSEHOLD DEBT

Analysis by the TUC finds that unsecured household debt now averages £15,800.

As a share of household income, it is now at the highest recorded level in history at 30.4%

In 2008, the total unsecured household debt was £286bn. The latest set of figures show it is now £428bn.

Together, these two reports show the the UK's financial is twice as weak today as it was in 2008.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's a couple of reports to get some perspective on the UK prospects:

INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND

The UK's public finances are among the weakest in the developed world.

Since the financial crisis, the UK's negative net worth has doubled, representing a £1,000 billion decline in UK Government wealth.

UK public assets valued at £3tn and UK public liabilities valued at £5th

Only Portugal ranks below the UK for its long-term sustainability.

HOUSEHOLD DEBT

Analysis by the TUC finds that unsecured household debt now averages £15,800.

As a share of household income, it is now at the highest recorded level in history at 30.4%

In 2008, the total unsecured household debt was £286bn. The latest set of figures show it is now £428bn.

Together, these two reports show the the UK's financial is twice as weak today as it was in 2008.

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A link about the above

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-10/-170-billion-and-counting-the-cost-of-brexit-for-the-u-k

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood


"Here's a couple of reports to get some perspective on the UK prospects:

INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND

The UK's public finances are among the weakest in the developed world.

Since the financial crisis, the UK's negative net worth has doubled, representing a £1,000 billion decline in UK Government wealth.

UK public assets valued at £3tn and UK public liabilities valued at £5th

Only Portugal ranks below the UK for its long-term sustainability.

HOUSEHOLD DEBT

Analysis by the TUC finds that unsecured household debt now averages £15,800.

As a share of household income, it is now at the highest recorded level in history at 30.4%

In 2008, the total unsecured household debt was £286bn. The latest set of figures show it is now £428bn.

Together, these two reports show the the UK's financial is twice as weak today as it was in 2008.

"

And all of that whilst we were in the EU?. Interesting.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Since fiscal policy always has been a sovereign matter for the UK, set by the UK and implemented by the UK, the responsibility for the current weakness is the UK's alone.

The UK's public finances are twice as weak now as they were in 2008, i.e. the country's ability to respond to another financial crisis is diminished.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Except that in 2005, the European food safety authority stated that there are no adverse health effects of consuming chlorinated chicken . Probably because it is common practice across the EU for fruit and vegetables to be chlorine washed . Double standards methinks.

The chlorine isn't the issue, it's the possibility that hygiene standards may fall during the process and rely on the chlorine wash at the end to make up for it.

Exactly the point. Anyone remember the story from a few years ago of a gang in Birmingham I believe who made a fortune out of recycling condemned and contaminated chicken by washing it in bleach before selling it to curry houses?

Yeah I remember that, chickens with mold being washed and scrubbed with bleach, yummy "

its not the chlorine that is the issue.... its what it is there to "cover up" that is the issue.... which is that american battery farmed chickens are allowed to be given/fed antibiotics (premise being they dont then lose so many of their flocks)

EU rules state nothing that is given antibiotics is allowed into the human food chain because it "may dampen the effect of people having to be given antibiotics for health reason.... and in the long term make taking some types of antibiotics useless

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Except that in 2005, the European food safety authority stated that there are no adverse health effects of consuming chlorinated chicken . Probably because it is common practice across the EU for fruit and vegetables to be chlorine washed . Double standards methinks.

The chlorine isn't the issue, it's the possibility that hygiene standards may fall during the process and rely on the chlorine wash at the end to make up for it.

Exactly the point. Anyone remember the story from a few years ago of a gang in Birmingham I believe who made a fortune out of recycling condemned and contaminated chicken by washing it in bleach before selling it to curry houses?

Yeah I remember that, chickens with mold being washed and scrubbed with bleach, yummy

its not the chlorine that is the issue.... its what it is there to "cover up" that is the issue.... which is that american battery farmed chickens are allowed to be given/fed antibiotics (premise being they dont then lose so many of their flocks)

EU rules state nothing that is given antibiotics is allowed into the human food chain because it "may dampen the effect of people having to be given antibiotics for health reason.... and in the long term make taking some types of antibiotics useless

"
Not quiet true _abio the eu curbs the use of antibiotics but there is not an outright ban.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

The US has major problems recalling pork and chicken all the time.

The two approaches are not compatible for the same market. Raising animals in filth and then washing before eating, and raising clean and not washing.

One is better for animals and the environment and more expensive and thus cant compete price wise with the other, so just ban the other.

UK will default to EU levels, but after that its up to them, the EU will no longer ask the UK to keep to them standards, just tell them if they want to keep selling to the EU they will have to meet EU standards and not the lower US ones.

Prehaps UK chicken will maintain EU standards and become a luxuruy item in the UK as most start eating American chicken, and the UK attempts to export as much chicken as possible into the EU. Like the moypark chicken place in northern Ireland, that could just move down the road to Ireland I guess.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"

The chlorine isn't the issue, it's the possibility that hygiene standards may fall during the process and rely on the chlorine wash at the end to make up for it. "

Yes.

Captured in the tale of two eggs.

In the United States, eggs are sold refrigerated at the point of sale and stored in your fridge at home.

In Europe, they are not.

Europe relies on good farm hygiene during the lifecycle of the egg; the US does not and instead treats the egg prior to the point of sale.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Germany's defence minister today confirmed the US is threatening to impose a 25% tariff on car exports from the EU, unless the UK, Germany and France walk away from the Iran nuclear deal.

14.5% of all cars manufactured in the UK are exported to the US - the 2nd biggest export market after the EU.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couple of simple points to be made:

Lets just say we did say ok to importing chlorinated US chicken. Given the negative outcry and the clear reluctance of the public to want to buy it....which of our ikporters would be tge first to rush to bankruptcy by importing it.

The other on Anti-biotics:

There IS permitted use of certain anti-biotics in our food chain (in cattle at least).

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby


"Here's a couple of reports to get some perspective on the UK prospects:

INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND

The UK's public finances are among the weakest in the developed world.

Since the financial crisis, the UK's negative net worth has doubled, representing a £1,000 billion decline in UK Government wealth.

UK public assets valued at £3tn and UK public liabilities valued at £5th

Only Portugal ranks below the UK for its long-term sustainability.

HOUSEHOLD DEBT

Analysis by the TUC finds that unsecured household debt now averages £15,800.

As a share of household income, it is now at the highest recorded level in history at 30.4%

In 2008, the total unsecured household debt was £286bn. The latest set of figures show it is now £428bn.

Together, these two reports show the the UK's financial is twice as weak today as it was in 2008.

And all of that whilst we were in the EU?. Interesting."

And Brexit will help how , exactly?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Couple of simple points to be made:

Lets just say we did say ok to importing chlorinated US chicken. Given the negative outcry and the clear reluctance of the public to want to buy it....which of our ikporters would be tge first to rush to bankruptcy by importing it.

The other on Anti-biotics:

There IS permitted use of certain anti-biotics in our food chain (in cattle at least)."

I think you would find that many of the cheaper wholesalers (think makro or booker) and the lower end of direct to restaurant catering suppliers would be more than happy to do so because a longer shelf life and less waste would be enough to turn most of that market on to using it even if the price was only marginally cheaper. Animal welfare is fairly low on chicken shops agendas I think youll find. The supermarkets are very unlikely to move into this unsafe area given the amount of time and energy they invest in advertising how good, natural and in some cases organic, their products are but there is always a hidden market willing to take a cheaper product and dont even get me started on pet food

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Germany's defence minister today confirmed the US is threatening to impose a 25% tariff on car exports from the EU, unless the UK, Germany and France walk away from the Iran nuclear deal.

14.5% of all cars manufactured in the UK are exported to the US - the 2nd biggest export market after the EU.

"

Good job we're leaving the EU then in a few days

I read Vauxhall is probably moving the Astra estate production from Ellesmere port to Germany in the next couple of years too which is the vast bulk model apparently that comes off our lines so tarrifs won't be much of an issue if we don't build many.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"Germany's defence minister today confirmed the US is threatening to impose a 25% tariff on car exports from the EU, unless the UK, Germany and France walk away from the Iran nuclear deal.

14.5% of all cars manufactured in the UK are exported to the US - the 2nd biggest export market after the EU.

Good job we're leaving the EU then in a few days

I read Vauxhall is probably moving the Astra estate production from Ellesmere port to Germany in the next couple of years too which is the vast bulk model apparently that comes off our lines so tarrifs won't be much of an issue if we don't build many. "
PROBSBLY???

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"

Good job we're leaving the EU then in a few days

"

If you accept that bullying has replaced diplomacy as the prime instrument of US foreign policy, then it begs the question whether the UK is more capable of withstanding it inside or outside the EU.

In terms of trade agreements and any US/EU tariffs etc, we - and by that I mean GB excluding NI - don't exit those until Jan 1, 2021

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Germany's defence minister today confirmed the US is threatening to impose a 25% tariff on car exports from the EU, unless the UK, Germany and France walk away from the Iran nuclear deal.

14.5% of all cars manufactured in the UK are exported to the US - the 2nd biggest export market after the EU.

Good job we're leaving the EU then in a few days

I read Vauxhall is probably moving the Astra estate production from Ellesmere port to Germany in the next couple of years too which is the vast bulk model apparently that comes off our lines so tarrifs won't be much of an issue if we don't build many. PROBSBLY???"

That's what the article said, which we know isn't a guarantee lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well thanks to Boris going AGAINST the Tory wishes, looks like the UK-US deal has been dealt a huge blow after the Prime Minister has allowed the Chinese company Huawei to control parts of the UK's 5g network.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well thanks to Boris going AGAINST the Tory wishes, looks like the UK-US deal has been dealt a huge blow after the Prime Minister has allowed the Chinese company Huawei to control parts of the UK's 5g network."

The Don won’t be happy, Boris will have to do some serious arse licking to get back in his masters good books

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"In an interview on Countryfile on January 26th. Environment Minister, Theresa Villiers, will confirm that the EU ban on chlorinated chicken and hormone enhanced beef will be transferred over to UK law, thus maintaining the high standards set.

Obviously this will not please our American cousins, who have been in dispute since 1997 over this matter. "

The UK is just going to learn that it's not as important as it thinks that it is when setting global rules outside a major trading block

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

Except that huawei has significant 4G equipment across UK since 2005. It would be practically impossible to rip that kit out . Plus most mobile phones are made in China : should we throw them all away?. As much as I know the Chinese spy on everyone at every oppprtunity, the govt had little option but to give huawei limited access to our 5g network. The risks are well known, well researched and mitigated for .

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"Well thanks to Boris going AGAINST the Tory wishes, looks like the UK-US deal has been dealt a huge blow after the Prime Minister has allowed the Chinese company Huawei to control parts of the UK's 5g network."

By "control" I assume that you mean supply equipment for the transmission of encrypted data?

Data encryption is pretty much impossible to crack, even for state actors unless there is a mole in the encryption company providing the key. The hardware is irrelevant.

We can acknowledge that our intelligence services know what they are doing and accept their advice or we ignore them, in which case we may as well not have them.

Luckily Trump doesn't hold a grudge

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"Except that huawei has significant 4G equipment across UK since 2005. It would be practically impossible to rip that kit out . Plus most mobile phones are made in China : should we throw them all away?. As much as I know the Chinese spy on everyone at every oppprtunity, the govt had little option but to give huawei limited access to our 5g network. The risks are well known, well researched and mitigated for . "

This will upset you terribly.

I agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Except that huawei has significant 4G equipment across UK since 2005. It would be practically impossible to rip that kit out . Plus most mobile phones are made in China : should we throw them all away?. As much as I know the Chinese spy on everyone at every oppprtunity, the govt had little option but to give huawei limited access to our 5g network. The risks are well known, well researched and mitigated for . "

Sad but true.... back to the good old days of Bliar and doing deals with anyone.

No-one is certain just how far the PRC communist party are embedded into Huawei but you can bet they were always looking at the long term.

Always amazed me how any government or any individual has ever wanted to buy from or do any kind of deal with China

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does anyone not believe that the USA is not currently trying to spy on China and a host of other countries?

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

Of course they are. Everyone spies on everyone . But not to the scale the Chinese do. It’s a national duty .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Except that huawei has significant 4G equipment across UK since 2005. It would be practically impossible to rip that kit out . Plus most mobile phones are made in China : should we throw them all away?. As much as I know the Chinese spy on everyone at every oppprtunity, the govt had little option but to give huawei limited access to our 5g network. The risks are well known, well researched and mitigated for . "

I personally think now we're getting rid of the scaremongering of the imaginary enemy the EU we are now in need of a new enemy to be scaremongering over and it's starting to look like Huawei & China are "it"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Of course they are. Everyone spies on everyone . But not to the scale the Chinese do. It’s a national duty . "

We're only upset cos China's so much better at it than anyone else

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

It’s weight of numbers. I’ve had experience of it over decades.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"Except that huawei has significant 4G equipment across UK since 2005. It would be practically impossible to rip that kit out . Plus most mobile phones are made in China : should we throw them all away?. As much as I know the Chinese spy on everyone at every oppprtunity, the govt had little option but to give huawei limited access to our 5g network. The risks are well known, well researched and mitigated for .

I personally think now we're getting rid of the scaremongering of the imaginary enemy the EU we are now in need of a new enemy to be scaremongering over and it's starting to look like Huawei & China are "it"

"

It's being teed up

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

Mnuchin said that car imports from the UK will be heavily taxed. Thats 11 billion to the UK economy under threat.

It's likely the US will now only do a mini deal with the UK, financial and some other sectors covered.

The China thing annoyed them, The refusal to open up the NHS annoyed them, the refusal to take chlorinated chicken annoyed them. The tax to be imposed on digital companies annoyed them.

Maybe the UK is attempting to show the US that they have red lines, and maybe they will back away from some of them etc.

But right now the US is just shrugging and saying Jaguar, landrover, Mini, Civics, etc etc will be put under a tariff.

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

But everyone has been saying Boris is in the pocket of Trump?. The examples above would suggest otherwise ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Mnuchin said that car imports from the UK will be heavily taxed. Thats 11 billion to the UK economy under threat.

It's likely the US will now only do a mini deal with the UK, financial and some other sectors covered.

The China thing annoyed them, The refusal to open up the NHS annoyed them, the refusal to take chlorinated chicken annoyed them. The tax to be imposed on digital companies annoyed them.

Maybe the UK is attempting to show the US that they have red lines, and maybe they will back away from some of them etc.

But right now the US is just shrugging and saying Jaguar, landrover, Mini, Civics, etc etc will be put under a tariff."

Nah I think it could all end up as Boris's bluff n bluster and most of that will reverse.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham


"The US has major problems recalling pork and chicken all the time.

The two approaches are not compatible for the same market. Raising animals in filth and then washing before eating, and raising clean and not washing.

One is better for animals and the environment and more expensive and thus cant compete price wise with the other, so just ban the other.

UK will default to EU levels, but after that its up to them, the EU will no longer ask the UK to keep to them standards, just tell them if they want to keep selling to the EU they will have to meet EU standards and not the lower US ones.

Prehaps UK chicken will maintain EU standards and become a luxuruy item in the UK as most start eating American chicken, and the UK attempts to export as much chicken as possible into the EU. Like the moypark chicken place in northern Ireland, that could just move down the road to Ireland I guess."

Remind me again, didn't we leave the EU to stop being told what to do by them. Yet we will still have to abide by their rules, without being able to do have a say about it.

Brexit really was a good thing after all.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

I'd anyone is actually interested in a pragmatic discussion about Brexit trade agreements then listen to this, otherwise jist believe:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000dqzn

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