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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Any predictions when the sale will go through then?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Be a big snagging list, I expect

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Any predictions when the sale will go through then?"

It would be political suicide to sell off the NHS, boris is playing the waiting game.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

They'll do what they do with every other public service - contract out the management while keeping the brand above the front door.

The taxpayer keeps the risk and the private consortium keeps the profit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Any predictions when the sale will go through then?

It would be political suicide to sell off the NHS, boris is playing the waiting game."

It all depends on how well the trade deals go after Brexit? If they go tits up then the NHS will be sold or part sold

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They won't sell the NHS outright as thy can't get away with that. They'll privatise it slice by slice. And they'll likely start upping the price of medicines little by little too.

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

Keep up everyone. The most culpable are Blair and Brown when they massively sold off the NHS to PFIs. It was labour who initiated the sell off of the NHS. Duh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Keep up everyone. The most culpable are Blair and Brown when they massively sold off the NHS to PFIs. It was labour who initiated the sell off of the NHS. Duh."

And the delection game again. Blair shouldn't have done PFI.

But the Tories have been in power for over 9 years. During that time, they seriously underfunded the NHS in real terms. Waiting times in the NHsS were recently found the be the worst ever. The Tories are about to be in power for at least another 5 years. Their pledged numbers on building new hospitals and new nurses have already been roundly debunked. The NHS is on its knees. The Tories have left it there. I see no reason this bunch of Tories will do anything to actually improve it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What else? The Tories voted against the creation of the NHS over 20 times.

Thatcher tried to dismantle the welfare state, including the NHS.

Jeremy Hunt co-authored a book calling for the NHS to be replaced with private insurance.

How many clues do you need that the Tories want to destory the NHS?

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood


"What else? The Tories voted against the creation of the NHS over 20 times.

Thatcher tried to dismantle the welfare state, including the NHS.

Jeremy Hunt co-authored a book calling for the NHS to be replaced with private insurance.

How many clues do you need that the Tories want to destory the NHS?"

You obviously didn’t listen to the queens speech today

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What else? The Tories voted against the creation of the NHS over 20 times.

Thatcher tried to dismantle the welfare state, including the NHS.

Jeremy Hunt co-authored a book calling for the NHS to be replaced with private insurance.

How many clues do you need that the Tories want to destory the NHS?

You obviously didn’t listen to the queens speech today"

I heard it and why should I believe it? Boris has already lied to the queen once, he can do it again , Duh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What else? The Tories voted against the creation of the NHS over 20 times.

Thatcher tried to dismantle the welfare state, including the NHS.

Jeremy Hunt co-authored a book calling for the NHS to be replaced with private insurance.

How many clues do you need that the Tories want to destory the NHS?

You obviously didn’t listen to the queens speech today"

I try to base my views on actual evidence rather than political speeches.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the bits that are already private with-in the nhs was all down to labour in the first place ..step forward blair n brown im not saying its right but people need to know the full story the tories are shit just as labour are too when it comes to the sale of the nhs or bits of it

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"What else? The Tories voted against the creation of the NHS over 20 times.

Thatcher tried to dismantle the welfare state, including the NHS.

Jeremy Hunt co-authored a book calling for the NHS to be replaced with private insurance.

How many clues do you need that the Tories want to destory the NHS?

You obviously didn’t listen to the queens speech today

I heard it and why should I believe it? Boris has already lied to the queen once, he can do it again , Duh "

All Boris ever does is lie.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

A few untrue statements appearing here.

PFIs were invented by the Conservative Government of John Major and continued by the Labour Government of Tony Blair.

They were a mechanism for funding the construction of new infrastructure, such as hospitals, that allowed the capital cost to be kept off the public sector books.

They appear as revenue charges - the cost of leasing buildings from private consortia.

The issue today is about the provision of services.

GP practices always have been mostly private consortia operating under contract to the NHS - they refused to sign up in 1947 to become employees.

Increasingly, we'll see NHS services bundled up and put out to tender, just as we saw with the railways.

They'll be run for the profit of the share-holders, while the state will keep the risk.

Privatise the profit, nationalise the risk - that is the Conservative ideology.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What else? The Tories voted against the creation of the NHS over 20 times.

Thatcher tried to dismantle the welfare state, including the NHS.

Jeremy Hunt co-authored a book calling for the NHS to be replaced with private insurance.

How many clues do you need that the Tories want to destory the NHS?

You obviously didn’t listen to the queens speech today"

They are giving some money, just to keep it on life support, not the real investment it deserves.

Don’t worry its not your problem, soon NI will be in the EU and we’ll be out, so your country won’t see any of it

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham


"Any predictions when the sale will go through then?

It would be political suicide to sell off the NHS, boris is playing the waiting game."

Its already happening in small chunks, Branson bought some of it recently.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"Any predictions when the sale will go through then?

It would be political suicide to sell off the NHS, boris is playing the waiting game.

Its already happening in small chunks, Branson bought some of it recently. "

You dont "buy", you tender for contracts put out by Health Authorities.

Has Virgin Healthcare made a profit out of the NHS?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Any predictions when the sale will go through then?

It would be political suicide to sell off the NHS, boris is playing the waiting game.

Its already happening in small chunks, Branson bought some of it recently.

You dont "buy", you tender for contracts put out by Health Authorities.

Has Virgin Healthcare made a profit out of the NHS? "

Of course it has - winning the contract increases its share value even if they make no money on the contract

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Any predictions when the sale will go through then?"
You lot do like to believe labour lies.They have been saying the same for years and most privatisation has happened under Blair.

Labour tell so many lies why do you ignore it?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Any predictions when the sale will go through then?"
You lot do like to believe labour lies.They have been saying the same for years and most privatisation has happened under Blair.

Labour tell so many lies why do you ignore it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Any predictions when the sale will go through then?You lot do like to believe labour lies.They have been saying the same for years and most privatisation has happened under Blair.

Labour tell so many lies why do you ignore it?"

Do you believe the Tory lies? Or is it just the labour lies that offend you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They'll do what they do with every other public service - contract out the management while keeping the brand above the front door.

The taxpayer keeps the risk and the private consortium keeps the profit."

Yep, plus run the service down so it appears that the best way forward is to privatise this bit, then that bit etc

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Any predictions when the sale will go through then?You lot do like to believe labour lies.They have been saying the same for years and most privatisation has happened under Blair.

Labour tell so many lies why do you ignore it?

Do you believe the Tory lies? Or is it just the labour lies that offend you? "
All sides lie and twist the truth that is politics but this constant attack on Boris in the media if very one sided and nasty.For all of this the country made a big decision and told labour what they think of them,they know who the biggest liers are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Any predictions when the sale will go through then?You lot do like to believe labour lies.They have been saying the same for years and most privatisation has happened under Blair.

Labour tell so many lies why do you ignore it?

Do you believe the Tory lies? Or is it just the labour lies that offend you? All sides lie and twist the truth that is politics but this constant attack on Boris in the media if very one sided and nasty.For all of this the country made a big decision and told labour what they think of them,they know who the biggest liers are"

There is overwhelming and repeated evidence of the many lies Johnson has told. These are not smears. They are facts, very easy to find if you bother to look online. He's been condemned by his own words time and time again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Any predictions when the sale will go through then?You lot do like to believe labour lies.They have been saying the same for years and most privatisation has happened under Blair.

Labour tell so many lies why do you ignore it?

Do you believe the Tory lies? Or is it just the labour lies that offend you? All sides lie and twist the truth that is politics but this constant attack on Boris in the media if very one sided and nasty.For all of this the country made a big decision and told labour what they think of them,they know who the biggest liers are"

Ah, so it is Boris for 5 years, no more lies, loads of money for the NHS and other public services, no tax increases ? We are in for an amazing time ? Yeah?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Any predictions when the sale will go through then?You lot do like to believe labour lies.They have been saying the same for years and most privatisation has happened under Blair.

Labour tell so many lies why do you ignore it?

Do you believe the Tory lies? Or is it just the labour lies that offend you? All sides lie and twist the truth that is politics but this constant attack on Boris in the media if very one sided and nasty.For all of this the country made a big decision and told labour what they think of them,they know who the biggest liers are

There is overwhelming and repeated evidence of the many lies Johnson has told. These are not smears. They are facts, very easy to find if you bother to look online. He's been condemned by his own words time and time again."

Shhh, don’t upset the Boris fanboys , they won’t believe that he lies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

Here you go. Look for yourself. There are many of Johnson's blatant lies here, alongside those of other Tories.

One of the compilers of this list is Oborne. That man is the former chief political commentator of The Daily Telegraph. A man who would normally be Tory through and through. Johnson's lies and tactics are so awful and unceasing that he disgusts even Tories.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Any predictions when the sale will go through then?

It would be political suicide to sell off the NHS, boris is playing the waiting game."
Ah a waiting game now? I thought Corbyn was telling us we had 24 hours to save the NHS.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"Any predictions when the sale will go through then?You lot do like to believe labour lies.They have been saying the same for years and most privatisation has happened under Blair.

Labour tell so many lies why do you ignore it?

Do you believe the Tory lies? Or is it just the labour lies that offend you? All sides lie and twist the truth that is politics but this constant attack on Boris in the media if very one sided and nasty.For all of this the country made a big decision and told labour what they think of them,they know who the biggest liers are"

You either know what the political Party's stand for - or you don’t?

The Labour Party are ideologically married to social care, socialist constructs and retaining a social charter with the British people - no surprise that socialism goes hand in hand with the a Labour Party.

The Conservatives are ideologically opposed to all of the above and that is why fundamentally they are opposed to any form of socialist construct - especially a successful one that would question their entire ethos.

The NHS is the very epitome of a socialist construct.

Which Party do you think would ideologically support it and which a Party do you think would be ideologically against it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Any predictions when the sale will go through then?You lot do like to believe labour lies.They have been saying the same for years and most privatisation has happened under Blair.

Labour tell so many lies why do you ignore it?

Do you believe the Tory lies? Or is it just the labour lies that offend you? All sides lie and twist the truth that is politics but this constant attack on Boris in the media if very one sided and nasty.For all of this the country made a big decision and told labour what they think of them,they know who the biggest liers are"

Pahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha.

Honestly. This person. And to think that many many more like them have the same brain pattern.

What are you actually on??? Do you do this to piss people off? Wind them up? Out of all the madness that comes from a few guys on this politics forum YOU SIR have to be the most strangest one I’ve come across.

I’m trying to workout why. Are you that bitter and twisted!

Box of frogs. Right here peeps

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My uncle works privately. He is currently working a long side the NHS to see which bits are worth selling off.

There you go. In black and white.

His brother. My father; Northern Irish man. Ex serviceman. Jeremy Corbyn supporter. ( I actually thinks he loves Jc more than his own daughter! Ha) Labour supporter, till he dies I suspect. Chairman of Momentum Plymouth.

I have to be honest. I’ve not got masses or if any, real information. But what I do know is that my uncle is currently away from home, for 6 months, working with the NHS to see which bits we can “ drop off”.

That is all I’ve been told.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What I don't understand is this; if it is in the Conservative DNA to sell off the NHS, why haven't they in any of the circa 45 years they have run the country?

I know the answer but want to amuse myself reading madcap socialist rantings

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Our aerospace defence force was just sold off to a private American company for £4 billion, so you know, of course the Tories won't sell off our assets still right? That was surely just a one off and when they say "the first of many deals..." Then they're just lying right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Our aerospace defence force was just sold off to a private American company for £4 billion, so you know, of course the Tories won't sell off our assets still right? That was surely just a one off and when they say "the first of many deals..." Then they're just lying right?"

Are you talking about Galileo?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My uncle works privately. He is currently working a long side the NHS to see which bits are worth selling off.

There you go. In black and white.

His brother. My father; Northern Irish man. Ex serviceman. Jeremy Corbyn supporter. ( I actually thinks he loves Jc more than his own daughter! Ha) Labour supporter, till he dies I suspect. Chairman of Momentum Plymouth.

I have to be honest. I’ve not got masses or if any, real information. But what I do know is that my uncle is currently away from home, for 6 months, working with the NHS to see which bits we can “ drop off”.

That is all I’ve been told. "

What is sadder than tragedy? A tragedy we were warned about, but chose to believe otherwise and did nothing. More frightening than the corrupt nature of the dealings is the total ambivalence of the man on the street, the same people who will suffer in the end.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What I don't understand is this; if it is in the Conservative DNA to sell off the NHS, why haven't they in any of the circa 45 years they have run the country?

I know the answer but want to amuse myself reading madcap socialist rantings "

Because Tories try and limit themselves to one major thing per term...

Thatcher 1 - British Gas

Thatcher 2 - British Telecom

Major - National Rail

Cameron - Royal Mail

The NHS is the biggest and would cause the most outrage (hopefully, but most of you seemingly want the US style) so of course you save it until it's the last on the shelf and sell lesser things first, like our aerospace defence services.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Dirty war on the NHS

Full Movie

John Pilger's new documentary, The Dirty War on the NHS, is a powerful and timely investigation into the National Health Service.

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood


"What I don't understand is this; if it is in the Conservative DNA to sell off the NHS, why haven't they in any of the circa 45 years they have run the country?

I know the answer but want to amuse myself reading madcap socialist rantings

Because Tories try and limit themselves to one major thing per term...

Thatcher 1 - British Gas

Thatcher 2 - British Telecom

Major - National Rail

Cameron - Royal Mail

The NHS is the biggest and would cause the most outrage (hopefully, but most of you seemingly want the US style) so of course you save it until it's the last on the shelf and sell lesser things first, like our aerospace defence services."

Ha ha ha ha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The provision of health services is being sold off to private healthcare brick by brick. The endgame is a fully privatised system based on insurance. It will eventually be up to all of us as individuals to actually get out onto the streets to stop it. If we don't make a fuss, we are finished as a nation..the motto is 'Each For All' & we should be proud of our public services.

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By *ykmwyldTV/TS
over a year ago

Belpre

The US insurance based healthcare system is a rip off, and has been for many many decades, and it's only getting worse !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By *rank speakerMan
over a year ago

Worcester


"Any predictions when the sale will go through then?You lot do like to believe labour lies.They have been saying the same for years and most privatisation has happened under Blair.

Labour tell so many lies why do you ignore it?"

Unfortunately I have no faith in any of the main parties. They're all far to removed from normal people... And all government seems London centric with no or little interest in the rest of the country. (See policy on flood and coastal defences?) Let's get some politicians in who haven't had public school education and trust funds and see how policy changes when their half baked schemes affect their nearest and dearest?

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