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"It was a time of prosperity, I'm not sure how much of that was down to the government. The banking collapse showed that they're never really in control of the economy. " That is right as much about it was the time of prosperity too  | |||
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"It was back in the days in the 90s when tony blair won election after election,. I remembered it well. I like him. Now I feel the party is too much left and it needs to be in the centre grounds to win more, did tony have the perfect formula and can it be replicated in the future?" I totally agree. I voted for new Labour in the nineties even though I usually vote Conservative. I would do so again if the policies were sensible and I liked the leader. I couldn't bring myself to vote for corbyn - not because I felt like he was a left wing loon with mannerisms that I disliked, but because I was genuinely concerned that the manifesto meant economic ruin, that the man could be threat to national security and that his politics and policies belonged in the 1970s. I have nothing against Labour. I just wish they would have come up with a less crazy sounding manifesto with a better leader so Boris wound up being "the best of a bad lot". | |||
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"It was back in the days in the 90s when tony blair won election after election,. I remembered it well. I like him. Now I feel the party is too much left and it needs to be in the centre grounds to win more, did tony have the perfect formula and can it be replicated in the future?" He lied to the country, he was basically a Tory. Fuck Tony Blair. | |||
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"Tony blair won an election iff of the back of the death of a True Labour man Jihn Smith. The success of the so called New Labour was one Girdon Brown. Not El President Blair." agree with you about john smith one of the only times ive ever considerd voting for anyone then the fucker went and died before i had a chance to.reakon he would of waljed an election straight talking take no nonsense sort of bloke | |||
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"Elections are won by capturing the centre-ground, not the extremes of left or right. Blair understood this and reshaped Labour very skilfully. His commitment to adhere to Tory spending limits in the first two years eliminated the usual line of Tory attack. " Centrism is dead. This is the second time that centrists have had their arse handed to them in an election. All of CHUK lost their seats, The Lib Dems did bugger all. Here's a list of seats that Labour lost in the election and how they voted in the referendum: Blyth Valley – leave Workington – leave Barrow & Furness – leave Blackpool South – leave Leigh – leave Bolton N.E. – leave Bury South – leave Hyndburn – leave Burnley – leave Keighley – leave N.W.Durham – leave Bishop Auckland – leave Darlington – leave Sedgefield – leave Stockton South – leave Redcar – leave Penistone – leave Dewsbury – leave Wakefield – leave Scunthorpe – leave Great Grimsby – leave Lincoln – leave Don Valley – leave Rother Valley – leave Bassetlaw – leave Bolsover – leave Ashfield – leave Gedling – leave Peterborough – leave Ispwich leave Derby North – leave Stoke on Trent – leave Newcastle – under – Lyme – leave Crewe and Nantwich – leave Wrexham – leave Clywd South – leave Vale of Clywd – leave Delyn – leave Yns Mons – leave Wolverhampton N.E. – leave Wolverhampton S,W. – leave Dudley North – leave Birmingham, Northfield – leave Stroud – remain (54.1%) Bridgend – remain (50.4%) Kensington – remain (68.7%) Colne Valley – remain (50.4%) If Labour elect a Blairite as leader they will be dead for years. The Corbyn manifesto was very popular, it was Corbyn himself and dickheads like Adonis claiming Labour was a remain party that lost them the election. | |||
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"Why do none of the leave seats have % with them? I have to say for me I would normally vote Lib Dem, but the risk of corbyn, his socialist policies and his completely over the top give away manifesto was way to much of a risk to vote anything but conservative. I voted remain at the referendum but to me the left getting power and corbyn being pm was a more dangerous prospect. I would prefer a more centrist government but I don’t think this will ever be possible whilst the main two are polar extremes. " I only put the % when they were really close. The fact remains that the manifesto was virtually unchanged from 2017 when Labour won more votes than any time since 1945. It really wasn't that left wing. The main difference in 2019 was that the right of the party had managed to convince the leadership to adopt a second referendum (in 2017, the Labour policy was to respect the result). There was also more time to smear Corbyn - who is the most smeared politician in recent history (study conducted by Loughborough university). | |||
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"The only reason this majority didn’t happen in 2017 was because the May put on possibly one of the worst campaigns ever ... at the time I genuinely thought she was trying to throw the election so she didn’t have to deal with brexit. I mean fox hunting dementia tax. Labour didn’t stop the majority the torys lost it. " Not really- Blair had a landslide with the percentage of votes Labour got in 2017. The real story was (and still is) the utter collapse of the centre. | |||
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"Elections are won by capturing the centre-ground, not the extremes of left or right. Blair understood this and reshaped Labour very skilfully. His commitment to adhere to Tory spending limits in the first two years eliminated the usual line of Tory attack. Centrism is dead. This is the second time that centrists have had their arse handed to them in an election. All of CHUK lost their seats, The Lib Dems did bugger all. Here's a list of seats that Labour lost in the election and how they voted in the referendum: Blyth Valley – leave Workington – leave Barrow & Furness – leave Blackpool South – leave Leigh – leave Bolton N.E. – leave Bury South – leave Hyndburn – leave Burnley – leave Keighley – leave N.W.Durham – leave Bishop Auckland – leave Darlington – leave Sedgefield – leave Stockton South – leave Redcar – leave Penistone – leave Dewsbury – leave Wakefield – leave Scunthorpe – leave Great Grimsby – leave Lincoln – leave Don Valley – leave Rother Valley – leave Bassetlaw – leave Bolsover – leave Ashfield – leave Gedling – leave Peterborough – leave Ispwich leave Derby North – leave Stoke on Trent – leave Newcastle – under – Lyme – leave Crewe and Nantwich – leave Wrexham – leave Clywd South – leave Vale of Clywd – leave Delyn – leave Yns Mons – leave Wolverhampton N.E. – leave Wolverhampton S,W. – leave Dudley North – leave Birmingham, Northfield – leave Stroud – remain (54.1%) Bridgend – remain (50.4%) Kensington – remain (68.7%) Colne Valley – remain (50.4%) If Labour elect a Blairite as leader they will be dead for years. The Corbyn manifesto was very popular, it was Corbyn himself and dickheads like Adonis claiming Labour was a remain party that lost them the election." So popular that labour lost the election!  | |||
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"The only reason this majority didn’t happen in 2017 was because the May put on possibly one of the worst campaigns ever ... at the time I genuinely thought she was trying to throw the election so she didn’t have to deal with brexit. I mean fox hunting dementia tax. Labour didn’t stop the majority the torys lost it. " And yet they kept that dickhead corbyn as leader. You know that momentum and its supporters are dumb fucks. Majorities are not build on the shoulders of the youth. They are built on the backs of the old people. | |||
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"It was back in the days in the 90s when tony blair won election after election,. I remembered it well. I like him. Now I feel the party is too much left and it needs to be in the centre grounds to win more, did tony have the perfect formula and can it be replicated in the future? He lied to the country, he was basically a Tory. Fuck Tony Blair. " He may have lied to the country, but he was extremely popular, just like boris is, and look what he did? | |||
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"Why do none of the leave seats have % with them? I have to say for me I would normally vote Lib Dem, but the risk of corbyn, his socialist policies and his completely over the top give away manifesto was way to much of a risk to vote anything but conservative. I voted remain at the referendum but to me the left getting power and corbyn being pm was a more dangerous prospect. I would prefer a more centrist government but I don’t think this will ever be possible whilst the main two are polar extremes. I only put the % when they were really close. The fact remains that the manifesto was virtually unchanged from 2017 when Labour won more votes than any time since 1945. It really wasn't that left wing. The main difference in 2019 was that the right of the party had managed to convince the leadership to adopt a second referendum (in 2017, the Labour policy was to respect the result). There was also more time to smear Corbyn - who is the most smeared politician in recent history (study conducted by Loughborough university). " He was, but he didn’t have the balls to take his accusers on, everyone saw the man as a pussy. | |||
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"It was back in the days in the 90s when tony blair won election after election,. I remembered it well. I like him. Now I feel the party is too much left and it needs to be in the centre grounds to win more, did tony have the perfect formula and can it be replicated in the future?" It can and it will, and when it does, people will realise that centre left is the way to go. | |||
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"It was back in the days in the 90s when tony blair won election after election,. I remembered it well. I like him. Now I feel the party is too much left and it needs to be in the centre grounds to win more, did tony have the perfect formula and can it be replicated in the future? It can and it will, and when it does, people will realise that centre left is the way to go." How did that work out for ChangeUK, the next big centrist project? How did that work out for "I'm gonna be prime minister" Jo Swinson. How many times do centrists need to utterly fail to realise that they haven't been relevant in years? It is not 1997. | |||
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"It was back in the days in the 90s when tony blair won election after election,. I remembered it well. I like him. Now I feel the party is too much left and it needs to be in the centre grounds to win more, did tony have the perfect formula and can it be replicated in the future? He lied to the country, he was basically a Tory. Fuck Tony Blair. He may have lied to the country, but he was extremely popular, just like boris is, and look what he did? " | |||
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"He knew his way round a catchy theme tune. " "Things Can Only Get Better" D:REAM Prof Brian Cox on keyboards. Swoon. | |||
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"He knew his way round a catchy theme tune. "Things Can Only Get Better" D:REAM Prof Brian Cox on keyboards. Swoon. " Cox on keyboard I never knew that. What an Alpha move by Blair to bring them in. | |||
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"One of the most pleasurable nights of my life, staying up to see the near-total wipe-out of the Conservative Party after 18 years. "Must say my most pleasurable nights list doesn't include anything remotely political  | |||
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"One of the most pleasurable nights of my life, staying up to see the near-total wipe-out of the Conservative Party after 18 years. "Yep. And then I watched the bastards sell my generation down the river. At least the Tories are honest enough not to hide their utter disdain for ordinary working people, whereas the Tony Blair government stabbed us in the back. | |||
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"It was back in the days in the 90s when tony blair won election after election,. I remembered it well. I like him. Now I feel the party is too much left and it needs to be in the centre grounds to win more, did tony have the perfect formula and can it be replicated in the future?" Well it was a long journey, From Foot, it was Kinnock who turned the corner, John Smith RIP who made labour electable and Blair who finished the job. It may have been a different world if John Smith didn't die. It took 10 to 15 years. I guess history will repeat itself. 10 years of no opposition. | |||
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