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".. Jeremy Corbyn?" Who gives a fuck. | |||
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".. Jeremy Corbyn?" Cover him in tar and feathers Then make him walk the streets of London. Just saying  | |||
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"I thought his motives were honourable .His ideas to help the less well off workable assuming rich tightwads were able to stop crying about losing a few sovs in tax to cover it all and like many I hate the idea of Brexit' and 5 more years of Tories I despise most people who cared more bout that then NHS and seeing the country crumble etc .And I don't think a great deal if Trum or China either .so my decision is to leave you all to it as I'm moving to another country . I pity those who are not able to do the same but want to . Probably not a popular response from me but I don't live my life to be popular and neither did Jeremy . " Toy Pram Throw  | |||
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"I thought his motives were honourable .His ideas to help the less well off workable assuming rich tightwads were able to stop crying about losing a few sovs in tax to cover it all and like many I hate the idea of Brexit' and 5 more years of Tories I despise most people who cared more bout that then NHS and seeing the country crumble etc .And I don't think a great deal if Trum or China either .so my decision is to leave you all to it as I'm moving to another country . I pity those who are not able to do the same but want to . Probably not a popular response from me but I don't live my life to be popular and neither did Jeremy . " Since when has being deported been an option! Bye! | |||
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"What becomes of the broken hearted" Tell that to the people on UC not getting paid and the 14000 who passed away due to austerity cuts .. I could go on but that enough to break anyone heart don't you think ? | |||
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"Who brought a soapbox to the thread. Your opinion matters not compared to the millions who said otherwise with there x at the polls" Some news for you everyone gets a say in this free world for as long as it remains free . I believe the phrase used is ' suck it up buttercup'? | |||
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"Who brought a soapbox to the thread. Your opinion matters not compared to the millions who said otherwise with there x at the polls Some news for you everyone gets a say in this free world for as long as it remains free . I believe the phrase used is ' suck it up buttercup'? " Such anger. You a former Labour MP by any chance? Aww, feeling no love from your voters...buttercup!! | |||
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"Good riddance,London lefty without a clue Austerity,not been like that for everyone NHS,doesn't matter how much moneys chucked at it,people need to take more responsibility for their own health,plenty of people,long term I'll,could do with cutting out the junk food n drink,never used to see young ish folk on mobility scooters that fat they can hardly walk " Yes well thanks for the input but it's hardly realistic to suggest everyone goes to the gym and all problems will be solved ? And as for saying austerity is not like that for everyone as a reason for it to exist ? You are wrong there .. | |||
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"Who brought a soapbox to the thread. Your opinion matters not compared to the millions who said otherwise with there x at the polls Some news for you everyone gets a say in this free world for as long as it remains free . I believe the phrase used is ' suck it up buttercup'? Such anger. You a former Labour MP by any chance? Aww, feeling no love from your voters...buttercup!!" It's amazing how hard people can pretend to be online isn't it ? Enjoy your £80k plus whilst clearly not giving damn about supporting the real needs of the country for as long as it lasts before people end up literally eating their words . | |||
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"Good riddance,London lefty without a clue Austerity,not been like that for everyone NHS,doesn't matter how much moneys chucked at it,people need to take more responsibility for their own health,plenty of people,long term I'll,could do with cutting out the junk food n drink,never used to see young ish folk on mobility scooters that fat they can hardly walk Yes well thanks for the input but it's hardly realistic to suggest everyone goes to the gym and all problems will be solved ? And as for saying austerity is not like that for everyone as a reason for it to exist ? You are wrong there .." Suggested people take responsibility more for their own lives,labours wish to keep people beholden to the state as an attempt to maintain a captive voting audience was fortunately seen through I am wrong in your opinion,but then opinions are like arseholes,every one has them,just don't be one | |||
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"Who brought a soapbox to the thread. Your opinion matters not compared to the millions who said otherwise with there x at the polls Some news for you everyone gets a say in this free world for as long as it remains free . I believe the phrase used is ' suck it up buttercup'? Such anger. You a former Labour MP by any chance? Aww, feeling no love from your voters...buttercup!! It's amazing how hard people can pretend to be online isn't it ? Enjoy your £80k plus whilst clearly not giving damn about supporting the real needs of the country for as long as it lasts before people end up literally eating their words . " Yawn! | |||
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"Who brought a soapbox to the thread. Your opinion matters not compared to the millions who said otherwise with there x at the polls Some news for you everyone gets a say in this free world for as long as it remains free . I believe the phrase used is ' suck it up buttercup'? Such anger. You a former Labour MP by any chance? Aww, feeling no love from your voters...buttercup!! It's amazing how hard people can pretend to be online isn't it ? Enjoy your £80k plus whilst clearly not giving damn about supporting the real needs of the country for as long as it lasts before people end up literally eating their words . Yawn! " That explains it all .. in other words NFI Have fun | |||
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"I thought his motives were honourable .His ideas to help the less well off workable assuming rich tightwads were able to stop crying about losing a few sovs in tax to cover it all and like many I hate the idea of Brexit' and 5 more years of Tories I despise most people who cared more bout that then NHS and seeing the country crumble etc .And I don't think a great deal if Trum or China either .so my decision is to leave you all to it as I'm moving to another country . I pity those who are not able to do the same but want to . Probably not a popular response from me but I don't live my life to be popular and neither did Jeremy . " Bye! | |||
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"Who brought a soapbox to the thread. Your opinion matters not compared to the millions who said otherwise with there x at the polls Some news for you everyone gets a say in this free world for as long as it remains free . I believe the phrase used is ' suck it up buttercup'? Such anger. You a former Labour MP by any chance? Aww, feeling no love from your voters...buttercup!! It's amazing how hard people can pretend to be online isn't it ? Enjoy your £80k plus whilst clearly not giving damn about supporting the real needs of the country for as long as it lasts before people end up literally eating their words . Yawn! That explains it all .. in other words NFI Have fun " Sorry, did you say something interesting? No? thought not! Anyway, enjoy your eviction | |||
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"Who brought a soapbox to the thread. Your opinion matters not compared to the millions who said otherwise with there x at the polls Some news for you everyone gets a say in this free world for as long as it remains free . I believe the phrase used is ' suck it up buttercup'? Such anger. You a former Labour MP by any chance? Aww, feeling no love from your voters...buttercup!! It's amazing how hard people can pretend to be online isn't it ? Enjoy your £80k plus whilst clearly not giving damn about supporting the real needs of the country for as long as it lasts before people end up literally eating their words . Yawn! That explains it all .. in other words NFI Have fun Sorry, did you say something interesting? No? thought not! Anyway, enjoy your eviction" Eviction ? Emigration ? Migration? Is that what you mean ? What are you on about ? So many WCT.. you will be sorry that's got sure | |||
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".. Jeremy Corbyn? Who gives a fuck. "Maybe him trying to help Anyone needing to Ask parents for money for books Families still waiting for UC before Christmas Regular visitors to food banks People stuck on long waiting lists for surgery The people who have been robbed mugged or otherwise hurt and not helped due to 20000 missing police I could go on but I won't ..there seems to be a whole Fabs worth of Boris lovers on here who would never understand why they have ruined my future enough to make me leave the country.. But that's fine as clearly no one give a fuck about anyone anymore 
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".. Jeremy Corbyn?" He is going to work in Diane Abbott's shoe shop. | |||
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"...and shed crocodile tears about the nhs, food banks, austerity, the homeless and all the usual buzz words. Only they never own up to the fact they cause it by their relentless spending policies while being anti business. Wow ! Crocodile tears ? That suggests you don't believe this is real ? Straight question ..is it right and fair that the most well off contribute more to support the less well off and the systems that support both if them ? That's what it really amounts to .. Blair's New labour was just Tory in a different hat ..hence Iraq ! Blair was the only one who knew what to ot. And then fucked up with the Iraq war. Labour. They just cant not fuck up somehow or other." | |||
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".. Jeremy Corbyn?" A one way ticket to Dignitas. I'll even pay for it. | |||
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".. Jeremy Corbyn? A one way ticket to Dignitas. I'll even pay for it." And then like all MP’s, claim it back on expenses | |||
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".. Jeremy Corbyn? A one way ticket to Dignitas. I'll even pay for it. And then like all MP’s, claim it back on expenses "Nah let them open a "go fund me" account. Jo Swinson can go too, although she'd have to stand on the bus seeing she doesn't have a seat | |||
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"I was in Worksop you know .. it's ruined by the Tories and you still vote them in! Dawinian or what ! " Seeing that Worksop falls under Bassettlaw and until this election has been a Labour seat since 1987..i think you'll find it very difficult to blame tories for it being ruined in 2 days!!! | |||
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"...and shed crocodile tears about the nhs, food banks, austerity, the homeless and all the usual buzz words. Only they never own up to the fact they cause it by their relentless spending policies while being anti business. Wow ! Crocodile tears ? That suggests you don't believe this is real ? Crocodile tears in effect really, because all this misery that ordinary people go through is because of the stupid policy premises socislism enacts, blows up the economy and then blames the incoming party the people ask to sort out, for the forced austerity their policies inevitably will end up having to do to get thr vountry live within its mesns. Straight question ..is it right and fair that the most well off contribute more to support the less well off and the systems that support both if them ? News to you, the portion of tax paid by the most well off is at the highest its ever been. But no amount of money you can raid from the middle class will ever be enough while you spray money like confetti, scaring businesses who pull their capital and retrench workers. That's what it really amounts to .. Russia. China. Venezuela. Cuba. These places had unrivalled power to root out poverty, but only left their countries poorer than ever. Venezuela has 30 trillion dollars in resources and yet people cant afford a loaf of bread. Stalin and mao killed millions trying to implement marxism. Its only Deng xiaoping who has emilated Lee Kuan Yew’s benevolent dictatorship capitalism moddl thats made china the near superpower it is now. Marxism has failed thoroughly the eorld o er and is discredited and brought untold suffering to millions. Its usually also highly ruthless and cares two hoots for the people its supposed to serve. Jon lannsmanns momentum play right out of a stalinist playbook. Blair's New labour was just Tory in a different hat ..hence Iraq ! Still he was the only one who won you 3 elections in a row. If you arent thick enough, you will try to undrstsnd what people want rather than shoving your unworkable and dangerous ideology down their throats. Blair was the only one who knew what to do. And then fucked up with the Iraq war. Labour. They just cant not fuck up somehow or other." You are beyond help. Its a religion for you, this seizing of assets and income of any and ordinary folk. Never can be happy your neighbour is doing well. Leave us my friend. Fuck off and let us in peace. Ckne back jn 10 years to ruin us again. | |||
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"There are some shockingly bad winners on here. Why not enjoy your victory with a bit of grace? Just look forward to your Brexit improving everyone's lives immeasurably, and Johnson definitely not selling off the NHS and investing heavily in the police and education, like he said he would that time when he absolutely wasn't lying through his teeth. Why do you feel the need to rub Labour supporters' noses in it when they're already smarting from the result? Twisting the knife really isn't a good look." Well said ! To me its just 'them' showing their true colours in quite an ugly way ..never a pretty sight . Just confirms why I dislike their attitude to people who struggle in life :/ | |||
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".. Jeremy Corbyn?" Been offered a position with Chinese government, as head of marketing the communist party in H.K. | |||
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"I really wanted Corbyn to win for the sake of the NHS and not much else. Having Boris as prime minister is a nightmare, if I wasnt tempted to leave the country before I definitely am now "If Scotland wasn't so bloody cold... | |||
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".. Jeremy Corbyn? Who gives a fuck.
Maybe him trying to help
Anyone needing to
Ask parents for money for books
Families still waiting for UC before Christmas
Regular visitors to food banks
People stuck on long waiting lists for surgery
The people who have been robbed mugged or otherwise hurt and not helped due to 20000 missing police
I could go on but I won't ..there seems to be a whole Fabs worth of Boris lovers on here who would never understand why they have ruined my future enough to make me leave the country..
But that's fine as clearly no one give a fuck about anyone anymore
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"Some interesting replies. I was expecting far more humour but this thread shows a lot of divisive feeling. Politics is with the people. Hope they don't get 5 years of being shafted." Be prepared for the people to get shafted. Be prepared for far more and deeper division. Be prepared for the country to be poorer, for the UK to break up in a very bad way. A sizeable minority (our crap FPTP system gives 45% of votes cast a thumping majority of seats in Parliament) of the people chose lies, xenophobia and a party that despises most of them. | |||
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"Some interesting replies. I was expecting far more humour but this thread shows a lot of divisive feeling. Politics is with the people. Hope they don't get 5 years of being shafted. Be prepared for the people to get shafted. Be prepared for far more and deeper division. Be prepared for the country to be poorer, for the UK to break up in a very bad way. A sizeable minority (our crap FPTP system gives 45% of votes cast a thumping majority of seats in Parliament) of the people chose lies, xenophobia and a party that despises most of them. " I'm not particularly a tory fan either. All. Politicians are self serving. Your statements about the future are just opinions. They aren't backed up by... Well.. anything at all. Name a credible alternative to Boris right now. Fortunately we can discount the graceless sturgeon whose main agenda is to further her own political career and how wants to hold another indy ref because the first one didn't go her way. Corbyn wasn't a credible alternative to Boris. The smaller parties don't have the support and so are essentially a wasted vote. The core problem with democracy as system is that the vote of an intelligent, informed man counts just the same as a the vote of an uninformed fool. Unfortunately many people don't have the mental capacity or a sound grasp on what issues really matter in government so they tend to make decisions based on emotion or follow the herd. The Dunning-Kruger effect also makes many fundamentally stupid politicians appear remarkably confident. This country had John Prescott(lab) as a government minister for gods sake. The most uneducated boorish clown you ever set eyes on. Or how about John major (con) - the human equivalent of wet paint. This is why politicians of all parties are able to successfully gain power and their main objective once in power, is to keep it for self serving purposes - regardless of party. | |||
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"Good riddance,London lefty without a clue Austerity,not been like that for everyone NHS,doesn't matter how much moneys chucked at it,people need to take more responsibility for their own health,plenty of people,long term I'll,could do with cutting out the junk food n drink,never used to see young ish folk on mobility scooters that fat they can hardly walk " The cost to the NHS of obesity isn't as high as you would think. In fact, the healthier you are, the longer you'll live which will more likely result in you requiring significant healthcare costs in old age. Estimates for obesity cost to the NHS is £6bn, however, because many of these people die younger, they're unlikely to get to pension age and receive healthcare in old age. The estimate is about £2.5bn or 2.3% of the NHS budget. As Boris Johnson is promising £24bn, I doubt that the groups you refer to will be consuming much of that. | |||
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"This is a weird discussion. I don't give a damn what happens to corbyn, his beard or his strangely always lopsided spectacles. I'm just relieved that he didn't become PM. I can't see labour being electable with him as leader. I don't personally mind helping people less well off. I think free museum entry (a labour policy) was a good thing. I agree with reducing or removing University fees. But their latest manifesto was just silly. The problem with the latest labour manifesto is that as usual they wanted to spend & spend and wouldn't have been able to pay for it. There have only been a couple of labour governments in the last 50 years. The late seventies was a demonstration of why leftist socialism is a naive pipe dream peddled to the young and economically ignorant. I disliked Thatcher with a passion but my god at least she knew how to run an economy as opposed to the labour government of the seventies where inflation skyrocketed, the country was broke, the rubbish piled up in the streets and the dead lay unburied. To the man above who feels his future is 'ruined' by an election and he has to leave: Whatever your situation in life is, it's largely down to you. It's not the fault of whatever political party is in office. You make your own destiny and your own luck in this life. If you don't like your life, then change what youre doing. Maybe moving country will do you good. I've lived abroad for many many years and to be honest every country has its good side and bad side. There is nothing like loving abroad to make you see that. Good luck with it. " | |||
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".. Jeremy Corbyn? Who gives a fuck.
Maybe him trying to help
Anyone needing to
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Families still waiting for UC before Christmas
Regular visitors to food banks
People stuck on long waiting lists for surgery
The people who have been robbed mugged or otherwise hurt and not helped due to 20000 missing police
I could go on but I won't ..there seems to be a whole Fabs worth of Boris lovers on here who would never understand why they have ruined my future enough to make me leave the country..
But that's fine as clearly no one give a fuck about anyone anymore
"They don’t give a fuck though. They are gloating in their glory. Since the referendum the people of Britain have shown..... No wait. It’s always been like this. White Brits have never given a fuck and always been disgustingly judgmental. This country is getting what it deserves. | |||
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".. Jeremy Corbyn?who "Looks like he will be staying on as the party leader for the next 6 months at least, doesn't say a lot for the rest of the party really, does it. | |||
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".. Jeremy Corbyn? Who gives a fuck.
Maybe him trying to help
Anyone needing to
Ask parents for money for books
Families still waiting for UC before Christmas
Regular visitors to food banks
People stuck on long waiting lists for surgery
The people who have been robbed mugged or otherwise hurt and not helped due to 20000 missing police
I could go on but I won't ..there seems to be a whole Fabs worth of Boris lovers on here who would never understand why they have ruined my future enough to make me leave the country..
But that's fine as clearly no one give a fuck about anyone anymore
"I wonder if Corbyn will offer a bed and Christmas dinner to any homeless in is own home,will you? So two faced you left wingers | |||
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".. Jeremy Corbyn?" Who cares ? Maybe he'll go back to being a deckchair attendant on Blackpool beach. | |||
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"Its as though the British enjoyed austerity so much they've voted for another 5 years of it" No matter what we've endured as a country so far I think a Tory government is a much better prospect to look forward to instead of a Corbyn McDonnell government. | |||
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"Its as though the British enjoyed austerity so much they've voted for another 5 years of it No matter what we've endured as a country so far I think a Tory government is a much better prospect to look forward to instead of a Corbyn McDonnell government. " Correct. | |||
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".. Jeremy Corbyn?" Don't know. Don't care. I'd be amazed if it's a success, though. | |||
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"All kinda deluded This country has had a plan for years Not the tories Labour or any other party But the woman sat with the crown on her head There's been an aim to makes this a rich person's country U think Windrush was an accident? U think votinv to leave the EU was a choice This was all part of a plan to removed the non natives from the United Kingdom.. Greenfell Accident? Or a neat way to start reducing the non wealthy in London As most will only be rehomed outside of London Every other tory leader has had a heart and crumbled when the pressure hit Bovis is the only one savage enough to follow her plan through Even if Labour got into power it will onky sugar coat and delay the inevitable " And you call other people deluded | |||
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"All kinda deluded This country has had a plan for years Not the tories Labour or any other party But the woman sat with the crown on her head There's been an aim to makes this a rich person's country U think Windrush was an accident? U think votinv to leave the EU was a choice This was all part of a plan to removed the non natives from the United Kingdom.. Greenfell Accident? Or a neat way to start reducing the non wealthy in London As most will only be rehomed outside of London Every other tory leader has had a heart and crumbled when the pressure hit Bovis is the only one savage enough to follow her plan through Even if Labour got into power it will onky sugar coat and delay the inevitable And you call other people deluded "scary isnt it whoever wrote the tirade you replied to is no doubt from the cult of corbyn who no doubt thought jezza was on for a landslide while the sane side of labour and the rest of the country could see the kicking they were about to get from a mile away.they prob still think he should stay as leader | |||
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"I make no apologies for taking the piss out of someone who is friends of people that were actively trying to kill or maim me during a large portion of my former career. If that is "bullying", tough. " Talking to terrorists is what brought the GFA into existence. I understand your viewpoint but I dont agree with it | |||
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"He's still an MP, but I suspect like that other stalwart socialist John Prescott he'll become a Lord or be offered some post in Brussels as a reward for trying to derail Brexit." Along with Kinnock. | |||
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"I make no apologies for taking the piss out of someone who is friends of people that were actively trying to kill or maim me during a large portion of my former career. If that is "bullying", tough. Talking to terrorists is what brought the GFA into existence. I understand your viewpoint but I dont agree with it" I've no problem with talking / negotiations with terrorists to bring about a peace process. However I have a problem when he is only best buddies with one side. I've seen no evidence of him being mates with the UFF/UVF terrorists on the other side. | |||
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"I make no apologies for taking the piss out of someone who is friends of people that were actively trying to kill or maim me during a large portion of my former career. If that is "bullying", tough. Talking to terrorists is what brought the GFA into existence. I understand your viewpoint but I dont agree with it I've no problem with talking / negotiations with terrorists to bring about a peace process. However I have a problem when he is only best buddies with one side. I've seen no evidence of him being mates with the UFF/UVF terrorists on the other side." I guess they would not have had much time for him? | |||
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"I make no apologies for taking the piss out of someone who is friends of people that were actively trying to kill or maim me during a large portion of my former career. If that is "bullying", tough. Talking to terrorists is what brought the GFA into existence. I understand your viewpoint but I dont agree with it I've no problem with talking / negotiations with terrorists to bring about a peace process. However I have a problem when he is only best buddies with one side. I've seen no evidence of him being mates with the UFF/UVF terrorists on the other side. I guess they would not have had much time for him?" Perhaps if he had invited them to the Commons for a cuppa.... | |||
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"He's still an MP, but I suspect like that other stalwart socialist John Prescott he'll become a Lord or be offered some post in Brussels as a reward for trying to derail Brexit." Interestingly the new vindictive Tories are saying he shouldn’t become a peer because of his politics - does that sound like a democratic thing to do to you? Seems to me that you haven’t thought this through. Respect in politics will disappear if you choose to dishonour your opponent’s by banishing and demeaning them. You seem to be advocating cruelty to me. | |||
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"I make no apologies for taking the piss out of someone who is friends of people that were actively trying to kill or maim me during a large portion of my former career. If that is "bullying", tough. Talking to terrorists is what brought the GFA into existence. I understand your viewpoint but I dont agree with it I've no problem with talking / negotiations with terrorists to bring about a peace process. However I have a problem when he is only best buddies with one side. I've seen no evidence of him being mates with the UFF/UVF terrorists on the other side. I guess they would not have had much time for him? Perhaps if he had invited them to the Commons for a cuppa...." Now thats how politics should be done | |||
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"I make no apologies for taking the piss out of someone who is friends of people that were actively trying to kill or maim me during a large portion of my former career. If that is "bullying", tough. " True but doesn't that work in reverse ? It wasn't just the Irish who were trying to kill the Brits ..the Brits were trying to do the same to the Irish ..reason for the whole thing ? they ( the Brits) were really not wanted over there by anyone ! So kind of got invaded as you might say . So yes GFA thank God it came into being or there would still be Jo agreement ! And as for JC being in the side of the IRA ? I think the fact was he objected and protested against show trials' ..of any kind . Statistically it was the Tory leaders who managed way more selfies with terrorists and bad chaps accross the globe by a long chalk .. strangely not many seem to admit it though .. Still . Peace ..for now at least
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"I make no apologies for taking the piss out of someone who is friends of people that were actively trying to kill or maim me during a large portion of my former career. If that is "bullying", tough. True but doesn't that work in reverse ? It wasn't just the Irish who were trying to kill the Brits ..the Brits were trying to do the same to the Irish ..reason for the whole thing ? they ( the Brits) were really not wanted over there by anyone ! So kind of got invaded as you might say . So yes GFA thank God it came into being or there would still be Jo agreement ! And as for JC being in the side of the IRA ? I think the fact was he objected and protested against show trials' ..of any kind . Statistically it was the Tory leaders who managed way more selfies with terrorists and bad chaps accross the globe by a long chalk .. strangely not many seem to admit it though .. Still . Peace ..for now at least "Thatcher and Pinochet springs to mind. | |||
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"I make no apologies for taking the piss out of someone who is friends of people that were actively trying to kill or maim me during a large portion of my former career. If that is "bullying", tough. True but doesn't that work in reverse ? It wasn't just the Irish who were trying to kill the Brits ..the Brits were trying to do the same to the Irish ..reason for the whole thing ? they ( the Brits) were really not wanted over there by anyone ! So kind of got invaded as you might say . So yes GFA thank God it came into being or there would still be Jo agreement ! And as for JC being in the side of the IRA ? I think the fact was he objected and protested against show trials' ..of any kind . Statistically it was the Tory leaders who managed way more selfies with terrorists and bad chaps accross the globe by a long chalk .. strangely not many seem to admit it though .. Still . Peace ..for now at least
Thatcher and Pinochet springs to mind.
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"Ireland aside, I got chatting about Labour today on something that had totally bypassed me. With Labour's plan to nationalise Royal Mail, and Royal Mail having to pay out £58m to subpostmasters and (on googling just now), another £50m fine from Ofcom in November over competition laws. So if Labour won, the taxpayer would not only have been buying Royal Mail but would have been landed with fines of over £100m in also! On top of a £250bn national bank, free broadband, dentistry, buses, trains. Buying water, gas, electricity, rail. WASPI women, clearing student loans, more homes, more NHS, more green economy and a Brexit or not in 3 months. " The Royal Mail situation has been desperate for years now and it makes me question whether fujitsu should in turn be sued for these damages as it was their software that was at fault - the intransigence of royal mail despite years of complaints about their software is the real issue here not whether JC was going to pick up the tab, the liabilities of which which would have been reflected in the final price anyway dont you think? Its just you and your friend trying to make labour look incompetent. | |||
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"Ireland aside, I got chatting about Labour today on something that had totally bypassed me. With Labour's plan to nationalise Royal Mail, and Royal Mail having to pay out £58m to subpostmasters and (on googling just now), another £50m fine from Ofcom in November over competition laws. So if Labour won, the taxpayer would not only have been buying Royal Mail but would have been landed with fines of over £100m in also! On top of a £250bn national bank, free broadband, dentistry, buses, trains. Buying water, gas, electricity, rail. WASPI women, clearing student loans, more homes, more NHS, more green economy and a Brexit or not in 3 months. The Royal Mail situation has been desperate for years now and it makes me question whether fujitsu should in turn be sued for these damages as it was their software that was at fault - the intransigence of royal mail despite years of complaints about their software is the real issue here not whether JC was going to pick up the tab, the liabilities of which which would have been reflected in the final price anyway dont you think? Its just you and your friend trying to make labour look incompetent. " It was a passing comment that stands: If Royal Mail came into public ownership then we would have inherited its debt. I know nothing of the fujitsu software, though I do remember the cash cow, song and dance made when the Tory's sold it. The taxpayer may have dodged a bullet on many fronts from an ailing company. | |||
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"Ireland aside, I got chatting about Labour today on something that had totally bypassed me. With Labour's plan to nationalise Royal Mail, and Royal Mail having to pay out £58m to subpostmasters and (on googling just now), another £50m fine from Ofcom in November over competition laws. So if Labour won, the taxpayer would not only have been buying Royal Mail but would have been landed with fines of over £100m in also! On top of a £250bn national bank, free broadband, dentistry, buses, trains. Buying water, gas, electricity, rail. WASPI women, clearing student loans, more homes, more NHS, more green economy and a Brexit or not in 3 months. The Royal Mail situation has been desperate for years now and it makes me question whether fujitsu should in turn be sued for these damages as it was their software that was at fault - the intransigence of royal mail despite years of complaints about their software is the real issue here not whether JC was going to pick up the tab, the liabilities of which which would have been reflected in the final price anyway dont you think? Its just you and your friend trying to make labour look incompetent. It was a passing comment that stands: If Royal Mail came into public ownership then we would have inherited its debt. I know nothing of the fujitsu software, though I do remember the cash cow, song and dance made when the Tory's sold it. The taxpayer may have dodged a bullet on many fronts from an ailing company. " Then you dont really know the whole story do you! Briefly for ten years Royal Mail has been prosecuting sub postmasters for accounting errors and accusing them of theft, destroying their businesses and sending some to jail. The outsourced fujitsu accounting software that was provided to these people was faulty. The directors and management refused to accept this and instead blamed them and made them pay back thousands of pounds that they did not owe. A new director was appointed and immediately could see the iniquity of what was being done and has put it right. The question I have is should the liability for the damages be laid at royal mails door or at fujitsus? Anyone buying a company with such a hole in its finances would either not bother buying it or take these liabilities into account in the purchase price. To imply otherwise is just scaremongering. Personally I think fujitsu must bear a large part of the responsibility for this situation and should take part in the reparations but I doubt that will happen | |||
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