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By *lex46 OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Near Wells

How is it that having the largest defeat in 85 years and the smallest number of Mp's for 35 years. Jeremy Corbyn is still the leader of the Labour Party and just heard on the radio he might not leave until the spring as they want a period of reflection??

Reflect about what? Voters didn't like you or your policies. Quite simple really

If it was any other organisation, business, sports team the leader would be gone by now after a sizable defeat like that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How is it that having the largest defeat in 85 years and the smallest number of Mp's for 35 years. Jeremy Corbyn is still the leader of the Labour Party and just heard on the radio he might not leave until the spring as they want a period of reflection??

Reflect about what? Voters didn't like you or your policies. Quite simple really

If it was any other organisation, business, sports team the leader would be gone by now after a sizable defeat like that. "

I know, it's absolutely amazing and I honestly would have thought Corbyn would have done the gracious act of stepping down instantly.

Fair enough there shouldn't be an election now for 5 years but the amount of rebuilding Labour requires they need to start now and work from the top down.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Well they got a long five years to work it out.

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By *obletonMan
over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures

Reflect about what? Voters didn't like you or your policies. Quite simple really

If it was any other organisation, business, sports team the leader would be gone by now after a sizable defeat like that. "

The policies polled really well - but this wasn't an election on policy, it was focused on 2 issues - Brexit and who you disliked the least between Boris and Corbyn.

Boris got an easy ride in the press - Corbyn didn't.

Some of that Corbyn deserved, a lot of it was a concoction.

Labour are kind of in a bind when it comes to leaders - if the party of social democracy selects a social democrat like Corbyn, the press loses their shit because he's a social democrat.

If they select a moderate conservative like Tony Blair - the press loses their shit becuase he's not a social democrat.

Damned if they do.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reflect about what? Voters didn't like you or your policies. Quite simple really

If it was any other organisation, business, sports team the leader would be gone by now after a sizable defeat like that. "

Because he is not a Coward like

" Dave " , who f*cked right off when he knew hed made a f*ck up.

Hell stay until the party is ready to elect a new leader.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

If he resigned today:

a) there is no deputy to take his place in Parliament (since Tom Watson resigned)

b) I guess it triggers an election immediately

An election right now isn't what Labour needs, though I am not sure what a "period of reflection" actually means in practice.

Labour's biggest problem, I think, is its focus on ideology and party governance, rather than actually winning elections.

A political party unable to win elections becomes an irrelevance.

It needs to focus on one thing only:

a) who are the voters it needs to attract to win elections

b) what do those voters want from a Labour Party

The answers to those questions ought to determine the future shape and direction.

My worry is the debate will be introspective and inward-looking, and focus more on rooting the party in the ideology of its diehards, oblivious to the electoral consequences.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

I see boris is heading back up north today and if he has any sense he can kill off labour for the next 10 years.He needs to be seen as investing heavily in the north and not the south.My guess he will do away with hs2 and concentrate on an east to west railway in the north to start with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If he resigned today:

a) there is no deputy to take his place in Parliament (since Tom Watson resigned)

b) I guess it triggers an election immediately

An election right now isn't what Labour needs, though I am not sure what a "period of reflection" actually means in practice.

Labour's biggest problem, I think, is its focus on ideology and party governance, rather than actually winning elections.

A political party unable to win elections becomes an irrelevance.

It needs to focus on one thing only:

a) who are the voters it needs to attract to win elections

b) what do those voters want from a Labour Party

The answers to those questions ought to determine the future shape and direction.

My worry is the debate will be introspective and inward-looking, and focus more on rooting the party in the ideology of its diehards, oblivious to the electoral consequences.

The cult of mmentum?

I actually respect that Corbyn has decided to stay on because in many ways it would be far easier for him to bail but the red wall voters will see it as further evidence that they were right to switch allegiances and this may lose them forever-

Tom Watson was right to bail when he did because he knew he could not be part of the momentum led destruction of the labour vote,

It’s sad that the hope and promise of the social democrat policies labour had fought for have made the party unelectable as it now only appeals to the young or urban intellectuals many of whom feel let down by the frankly unimpressive labour front bench. I hope they find a new direction and a new leader who is capable of routing the momentum group but I fear that as they currently stand the Labour Party will become an irrelevance. They must learn to be swifter on their feet and to fight dirtier campaigns because rising above the argument and trying to depersonalise it when the Tory spin machine was churning out lies and warping the truth at unprecedented levels made a Corbyn look disengaged and that’s what lost him the north.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Yes, the Tories realise that nothing else matters except winning elections, by hook or by crook.

It is a lesson Labour needs to learn.

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

The reason he’s not leaving is blatantly obvious. He needs to be there , as leader, to be able to influence and direct who his corbynista replacement should be in cahoots with the NEC and momentum . This is great news; extreme labour will refuse to learn anything from this election and instead of having a more moderate leader will stick to their extreme left wing dogma and ideology. Happy days I say. You stay right where u are Corbyn please

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"If he resigned today:

a) there is no deputy to take his place in Parliament (since Tom Watson resigned)

b) I guess it triggers an election immediately

An election right now isn't what Labour needs, though I am not sure what a "period of reflection" actually means in practice.

Labour's biggest problem, I think, is its focus on ideology and party governance, rather than actually winning elections.

A political party unable to win elections becomes an irrelevance.

It needs to focus on one thing only:

a) who are the voters it needs to attract to win elections

b) what do those voters want from a Labour Party

The answers to those questions ought to determine the future shape and direction.

My worry is the debate will be introspective and inward-looking, and focus more on rooting the party in the ideology of its diehards, oblivious to the electoral consequences.

So what if he resigns ?. So what if there is no deputy ?. So what ?. All they need to do is have a stand in leader. Other parties do it all the time . But labour won’t . Labour will want to 100% be sure that anyone with their hand on the tiller is an extremist as Corbyn was. Duh

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"Yes, the Tories realise that nothing else matters except winning elections, by hook or by crook.

It is a lesson Labour needs to learn.

tried explaining this to a mates brother yesterday who is a big corbyn fan.his answer well in that case we would rather lose than lie. sometimes you cant help those that are that ideological

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reflect about what? Voters didn't like you or your policies. Quite simple really

If it was any other organisation, business, sports team the leader would be gone by now after a sizable defeat like that.

Because he is not a Coward like

" Dave " , who f*cked right off when he knew hed made a f*ck up.

Hell stay until the party is ready to elect a new leader."

You do know David Cameron stayed on as leader of the Conservative Party until Teresa May took office?

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

Raynor for PM

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By *lex46 OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Near Wells

It still seems bizarre to me. He hasn't showed any sense of remorse, responsibility. I'm not sure what word to use to be honest.

A good start would be to show your congratulations to the winner. A hard thing to do but at least you're showing a bit of respect.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Yes, democracy requires the losing side to acknowledge the other's victory.

I have yet to see that, which is odd.

Perhaps when Parliament re-opens, we may get that exchange.

Even in Trump's America, his opponents held their nose and acknowledged his legitimacy.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"It still seems bizarre to me. He hasn't showed any sense of remorse, responsibility. I'm not sure what word to use to be honest.

A good start would be to show your congratulations to the winner. A hard thing to do but at least you're showing a bit of respect.

The second thing would be to say or feel sorry for the Labour Mps who lost their seats. I'm no supporter but some of them have give their life to Labour and they also deserve a bit of respect. They have no job to go to on Monday. Their leader that was responsible still has his?? "
Agree, i do feel sorry for carolyn flint she wanted to leave like her constituency and guess they would have liked her again but just could not trust corbyn.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I watched John McDonnell being interviewed as the exit poll result came through.

He refused consistently to acknowledge any Corbyn factor, insisting Brexit had battered Labour.

It struck me as very insightful.

All the parties will have done their polling.

All would have been telling them Corbyn turned off the voters he needed to win over.

Then there is the anecdotal evidence from the doorsteps.

Unless Labour is willing to face up to the reality of what happened, it risks making the same mistake again in future.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It still seems bizarre to me. He hasn't showed any sense of remorse, responsibility. I'm not sure what word to use to be honest.

A good start would be to show your congratulations to the winner. A hard thing to do but at least you're showing a bit of respect.

The second thing would be to say or feel sorry for the Labour Mps who lost their seats. I'm no supporter but some of them have give their life to Labour and they also deserve a bit of respect. They have no job to go to on Monday. Their leader that was responsible still has his?? Agree, i do feel sorry for carolyn flint she wanted to leave like her constituency and guess they would have liked her again but just could not trust corbyn. "

Costa you’re Corbyn obsessed.

Is your unhealthy dislike for him down to your own thoughts and decisions or.....

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By *lex46 OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Near Wells

"It still seems bizarre to me. He hasn't showed any sense of remorse, responsibility. I'm not sure what word to use to be honest.

A good start would be to show your congratulations to the winner. A hard thing to do but at least you're showing a bit of respect.

The second thing would be to say or feel sorry for the Labour Mps who lost their seats. I'm no supporter but some of them have give their life to Labour and they also deserve a bit of respect. They have no job to go to on Monday. Their leader that was responsible still has his?? Agree, i do feel sorry for carolyn flint she wanted to leave like her constituency and guess they would have liked her again but just could not trust corbyn.

Costa you’re Corbyn obsessed.

Is your unhealthy dislike for him down to your own thoughts and decisions or....."

Not sure you're aiming this at me or not but here's my reply anyway.

I'm glad Jeremy Corbyn is not the Prime minister as I didn't like his policies. I've never met him or known him so I couldn't tell you if I like him or not.

I said yesterday elsewhere that I'd starting turning the telly off when Jo swinson came on because of her shouty voice. That's the most personal thing I've said about a politician. I didn't switch off the Tv when Jeremy was on, I generally listened, dissagreed and sometimes laughed.

The only obsession at the moment and I'm not sure if it's healthy or not is fab and it's forums.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

if corbyn rufuses to go soon any labour m.p who wants him out needs to step away from labour and go independent till he does.at least that way the public will be able to see whos moderate and who is in momentums gang

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