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""The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 , George Orwell It is worrying how apt that quote feels. "Yes if your lot gets in we are far more likely to end up with an Orwellian future with the big state watching everything we do. I'd rather bumble along, relatively free than have a East German style dictatorship, with a state knowing best all the time. Make no mistake Jeremy Corbyn is an Eric Honecker behind all his smiles and platitudes. | |||
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""The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 , George Orwell It is worrying how apt that quote feels.
Yes if your lot gets in we are far more likely to end up with an Orwellian future with the big state watching everything we do. I'd rather bumble along, relatively free than have a East German style dictatorship, with a state knowing best all the time. Make no mistake Jeremy Corbyn is an Eric Honecker behind all his smiles and platitudes."Are you denying that Boris and The Tories are blatantly lying to you? Try and answer that question without attaching Corbyn & Labour  | |||
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""The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 , George Orwell It is worrying how apt that quote feels.
Yes if your lot gets in we are far more likely to end up with an Orwellian future with the big state watching everything we do. I'd rather bumble along, relatively free than have a East German style dictatorship, with a state knowing best all the time. Make no mistake Jeremy Corbyn is an Eric Honecker behind all his smiles and platitudes.
Are you denying that Boris and The Tories are blatantly lying to you? Try and answer that question without attaching Corbyn & Labour "The are all lying to us. We just have to decide which lie we'd rather buy into with this election and I am pretty sure these geezers all know it. You'd rather buy the labour lie so knock yourself out but don't be surprised if 40 to 45% of the population don't agree with you. | |||
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""The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 , George Orwell It is worrying how apt that quote feels.
Yes if your lot gets in we are far more likely to end up with an Orwellian future with the big state watching everything we do. I'd rather bumble along, relatively free than have a East German style dictatorship, with a state knowing best all the time. Make no mistake Jeremy Corbyn is an Eric Honecker behind all his smiles and platitudes.
Are you denying that Boris and The Tories are blatantly lying to you? Try and answer that question without attaching Corbyn & Labour
The are all lying to us. We just have to decide which lie we'd rather buy into with this election and I am pretty sure these geezers all know it. You'd rather buy the labour lie so knock yourself out but don't be surprised if 40 to 45% of the population don't agree with you."Yes, they are all lying but this thread was about Boris and the Conservatives . | |||
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""The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 , George Orwell It is worrying how apt that quote feels.
Yes if your lot gets in we are far more likely to end up with an Orwellian future with the big state watching everything we do. I'd rather bumble along, relatively free than have a East German style dictatorship, with a state knowing best all the time. Make no mistake Jeremy Corbyn is an Eric Honecker behind all his smiles and platitudes.
Are you denying that Boris and The Tories are blatantly lying to you? Try and answer that question without attaching Corbyn & Labour
The are all lying to us. We just have to decide which lie we'd rather buy into with this election and I am pretty sure these geezers all know it. You'd rather buy the labour lie so knock yourself out but don't be surprised if 40 to 45% of the population don't agree with you.
Yes, they are all lying but this thread was about Boris and the Conservatives . "Yeah but the OP went off down the Orwellian future and the easiest way to get to an Orwellian future is to vote labour LOL. I mean they are the ones advocating free broadband for all. Hows that going to work without state control ? | |||
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""The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 , George Orwell It is worrying how apt that quote feels.
Yes if your lot gets in we are far more likely to end up with an Orwellian future with the big state watching everything we do. I'd rather bumble along, relatively free than have a East German style dictatorship, with a state knowing best all the time. Make no mistake Jeremy Corbyn is an Eric Honecker behind all his smiles and platitudes.
Are you denying that Boris and The Tories are blatantly lying to you? Try and answer that question without attaching Corbyn & Labour
The are all lying to us. We just have to decide which lie we'd rather buy into with this election and I am pretty sure these geezers all know it. You'd rather buy the labour lie so knock yourself out but don't be surprised if 40 to 45% of the population don't agree with you.
Yes, they are all lying but this thread was about Boris and the Conservatives .
Yeah but the OP went off down the Orwellian future and the easiest way to get to an Orwellian future is to vote labour LOL. I mean they are the ones advocating free broadband for all. Hows that going to work without state control ?"Sorry my mistake the OP thumbed it up | |||
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""The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 , George Orwell It is worrying how apt that quote feels.
Yes if your lot gets in we are far more likely to end up with an Orwellian future with the big state watching everything we do. I'd rather bumble along, relatively free than have a East German style dictatorship, with a state knowing best all the time. Make no mistake Jeremy Corbyn is an Eric Honecker behind all his smiles and platitudes.
Are you denying that Boris and The Tories are blatantly lying to you? Try and answer that question without attaching Corbyn & Labour
The are all lying to us. We just have to decide which lie we'd rather buy into with this election and I am pretty sure these geezers all know it. You'd rather buy the labour lie so knock yourself out but don't be surprised if 40 to 45% of the population don't agree with you.
Yes, they are all lying but this thread was about Boris and the Conservatives .
Yeah but the OP went off down the Orwellian future and the easiest way to get to an Orwellian future is to vote labour LOL. I mean they are the ones advocating free broadband for all. Hows that going to work without state control ?"Do you honestly think that the ‘state’ aren’t already in control of the internet? They know exactly what you are looking at and when and tbh if you have nothing to hide were is the problem? It helps with national security | |||
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""The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 , George Orwell It is worrying how apt that quote feels.
Yes if your lot gets in we are far more likely to end up with an Orwellian future with the big state watching everything we do. I'd rather bumble along, relatively free than have a East German style dictatorship, with a state knowing best all the time. Make no mistake Jeremy Corbyn is an Eric Honecker behind all his smiles and platitudes.
Are you denying that Boris and The Tories are blatantly lying to you? Try and answer that question without attaching Corbyn & Labour
The are all lying to us. We just have to decide which lie we'd rather buy into with this election and I am pretty sure these geezers all know it. You'd rather buy the labour lie so knock yourself out but don't be surprised if 40 to 45% of the population don't agree with you.
Yes, they are all lying but this thread was about Boris and the Conservatives .
Yeah but the OP went off down the Orwellian future and the easiest way to get to an Orwellian future is to vote labour LOL. I mean they are the ones advocating free broadband for all. Hows that going to work without state control ?"Internet access has been linked to education levels. People don't learn from encyclopedia britannica any more. If the poor grow up without internet its just one more disadvantage they have to overcome. I think it's ironic that the greatest opposition that a man who wishes to raise the living standards of the poor, comes from the poor themselves. | |||
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""The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 , George Orwell It is worrying how apt that quote feels.
Yes if your lot gets in we are far more likely to end up with an Orwellian future with the big state watching everything we do. I'd rather bumble along, relatively free than have a East German style dictatorship, with a state knowing best all the time. Make no mistake Jeremy Corbyn is an Eric Honecker behind all his smiles and platitudes.
Are you denying that Boris and The Tories are blatantly lying to you? Try and answer that question without attaching Corbyn & Labour
The are all lying to us. We just have to decide which lie we'd rather buy into with this election and I am pretty sure these geezers all know it. You'd rather buy the labour lie so knock yourself out but don't be surprised if 40 to 45% of the population don't agree with you.
Yes, they are all lying but this thread was about Boris and the Conservatives .
Yeah but the OP went off down the Orwellian future and the easiest way to get to an Orwellian future is to vote labour LOL. I mean they are the ones advocating free broadband for all. Hows that going to work without state control ?
Internet access has been linked to education levels. People don't learn from encyclopedia britannica any more.
If the poor grow up without internet its just one more disadvantage they have to overcome.
I think it's ironic that the greatest opposition that a man who wishes to raise the living standards of the poor, comes from the poor themselves. "You see that is where you and I fundamentally disagree. You seem to advocate that JC knows what is best for me and that is the same arrogance that remain voters spout out that they have all the knowledge and sit dishing out wise and virtuous things that will benefit us all. Well perhaps some of us don't like being told how to live our lives and can live quite happily without it or perhaps want something a bit different to your socialist utopia that you want us to live in. | |||
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"If you honestly think that you are not being flagged up already for having unusual interests then you really have no idea how much of what you say and do is already being monitored. A good friend of mine works for a government dept up near Cheltenham and is extremely cautious about what he logs into and always keeps his webcam covered up. Just saying that the system for monitoring the populace is in place already and that the benefits of extending broadband throughout the country will far outweigh this orwellian danger as it already exists. Better get your gimp mask on next time you go online then "So you think JC will disband GCHQ and let all that technology and information to go to waste. I think you are even more naive than I am tbh. | |||
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"If you honestly think that you are not being flagged up already for having unusual interests then you really have no idea how much of what you say and do is already being monitored. A good friend of mine works for a government dept up near Cheltenham and is extremely cautious about what he logs into and always keeps his webcam covered up. Just saying that the system for monitoring the populace is in place already and that the benefits of extending broadband throughout the country will far outweigh this orwellian danger as it already exists. Better get your gimp mask on next time you go online then
So you think JC will disband GCHQ and let all that technology and information to go to waste. I think you are even more naive than I am tbh."Dont be ridiculous....where did I say that? I said the system exists already so your fantasy of an Orwellian dystopia led by comrade Corbyn is not only silly but a little bit out of date. GCHQ is actually one of the jewels in the crown and despite all the loonies saying that Corbyn wants to replace the union jack with the red banner it’s not even remotely likely. To be honest the tories are more likely to be responsible for the break up of the union with their plans for NI and Scotland. | |||
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""The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 , George Orwell It is worrying how apt that quote feels.
Yes if your lot gets in we are far more likely to end up with an Orwellian future with the big state watching everything we do. I'd rather bumble along, relatively free than have a East German style dictatorship, with a state knowing best all the time. Make no mistake Jeremy Corbyn is an Eric Honecker behind all his smiles and platitudes.
Are you denying that Boris and The Tories are blatantly lying to you? Try and answer that question without attaching Corbyn & Labour
The are all lying to us. We just have to decide which lie we'd rather buy into with this election and I am pretty sure these geezers all know it. You'd rather buy the labour lie so knock yourself out but don't be surprised if 40 to 45% of the population don't agree with you."I don't share your politics but I 100% agree that all parties are feeding us partisan propaganda, half-truths, misinformation and sometimes outright lies. And of course all parties know exactly what they're doing. They've all made the political calculation that lying in the right circumstances can win you more votes than you might lose. The goal is to win power, so pretty much anything goes. The Tories are just the more brazen and ruthless with it. Sometimes I wish Labour (who I'll be voting for) was as brazen and ruthless as the Tories in their pursuit of power. Not sure what thay says about me as a person or voter though. | |||
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"If you honestly think that you are not being flagged up already for having unusual interests then you really have no idea how much of what you say and do is already being monitored. A good friend of mine works for a government dept up near Cheltenham and is extremely cautious about what he logs into and always keeps his webcam covered up. Just saying that the system for monitoring the populace is in place already and that the benefits of extending broadband throughout the country will far outweigh this orwellian danger as it already exists. Better get your gimp mask on next time you go online then
So you think JC will disband GCHQ and let all that technology and information to go to waste. I think you are even more naive than I am tbh.
Dont be ridiculous....where did I say that? I said the system exists already so your fantasy of an Orwellian dystopia led by comrade Corbyn is not only silly but a little bit out of date. GCHQ is actually one of the jewels in the crown and despite all the loonies saying that Corbyn wants to replace the union jack with the red banner it’s not even remotely likely. To be honest the tories are more likely to be responsible for the break up of the union with their plans for NI and Scotland. "The break up of the union has been long coming. Probably ever since 1916 Devolution has just made it more and more likely and who started that ball rolling ermmmmmm, I'll let you guess. | |||
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"If you honestly think that you are not being flagged up already for having unusual interests then you really have no idea how much of what you say and do is already being monitored. A good friend of mine works for a government dept up near Cheltenham and is extremely cautious about what he logs into and always keeps his webcam covered up. Just saying that the system for monitoring the populace is in place already and that the benefits of extending broadband throughout the country will far outweigh this orwellian danger as it already exists. Better get your gimp mask on next time you go online then
So you think JC will disband GCHQ and let all that technology and information to go to waste. I think you are even more naive than I am tbh.
Dont be ridiculous....where did I say that? I said the system exists already so your fantasy of an Orwellian dystopia led by comrade Corbyn is not only silly but a little bit out of date. GCHQ is actually one of the jewels in the crown and despite all the loonies saying that Corbyn wants to replace the union jack with the red banner it’s not even remotely likely. To be honest the tories are more likely to be responsible for the break up of the union with their plans for NI and Scotland.
The break up of the union has been long coming. Probably ever since 1916 Devolution has just made it more and more likely and who started that ball rolling ermmmmmm, I'll let you guess."Winston Churchill? | |||
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"If you honestly think that you are not being flagged up already for having unusual interests then you really have no idea how much of what you say and do is already being monitored. A good friend of mine works for a government dept up near Cheltenham and is extremely cautious about what he logs into and always keeps his webcam covered up. Just saying that the system for monitoring the populace is in place already and that the benefits of extending broadband throughout the country will far outweigh this orwellian danger as it already exists. Better get your gimp mask on next time you go online then
So you think JC will disband GCHQ and let all that technology and information to go to waste. I think you are even more naive than I am tbh.
Dont be ridiculous....where did I say that? I said the system exists already so your fantasy of an Orwellian dystopia led by comrade Corbyn is not only silly but a little bit out of date. GCHQ is actually one of the jewels in the crown and despite all the loonies saying that Corbyn wants to replace the union jack with the red banner it’s not even remotely likely. To be honest the tories are more likely to be responsible for the break up of the union with their plans for NI and Scotland.
The break up of the union has been long coming. Probably ever since 1916 Devolution has just made it more and more likely and who started that ball rolling ermmmmmm, I'll let you guess."William Wallace | |||
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"NaughtyStaffs, you're using whataboutism. A tried and tested tactic historically most associated with the Russians and Soviets. Instead of directly addressing the topic, you're pivoting and saying eg "what about the other lot". I keep seeing this tactic used by defedenders of Tory fuck ups. I do find that interesting..." Problem is, as a tactic it's very effective otherwise parties and their defenders wouldn't do it. | |||
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"NaughtyStaffs, you're using whataboutism. A tried and tested tactic historically most associated with the Russians and Soviets. Instead of directly addressing the topic, you're pivoting and saying eg "what about the other lot". I keep seeing this tactic used by defedenders of Tory fuck ups. I do find that interesting..." Good for you mate, As I said I would rather have a 1000 fuck ups than a controlling government in charge. | |||
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"NaughtyStaffs, you're using whataboutism. A tried and tested tactic historically most associated with the Russians and Soviets. Instead of directly addressing the topic, you're pivoting and saying eg "what about the other lot". I keep seeing this tactic used by defedenders of Tory fuck ups. I do find that interesting... Good for you mate, As I said I would rather have a 1000 fuck ups than a controlling government in charge. " Really? Why can’t we have neither? | |||
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""The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 , George Orwell It is worrying how apt that quote feels.
Yes if your lot gets in we are far more likely to end up with an Orwellian future with the big state watching everything we do. I'd rather bumble along, relatively free than have a East German style dictatorship, with a state knowing best all the time. Make no mistake Jeremy Corbyn is an Eric Honecker behind all his smiles and platitudes.
Are you denying that Boris and The Tories are blatantly lying to you? Try and answer that question without attaching Corbyn & Labour
The are all lying to us. We just have to decide which lie we'd rather buy into with this election and I am pretty sure these geezers all know it. You'd rather buy the labour lie so knock yourself out but don't be surprised if 40 to 45% of the population don't agree with you.
I don't share your politics but I 100% agree that all parties are feeding us partisan propaganda, half-truths, misinformation and sometimes outright lies.
And of course all parties know exactly what they're doing. They've all made the political calculation that lying in the right circumstances can win you more votes than you might lose.
The goal is to win power, so pretty much anything goes.
The Tories are just the more brazen and ruthless with it.
Sometimes I wish Labour (who I'll be voting for) was as brazen and ruthless as the Tories in their pursuit of power.
Not sure what thay says about me as a person or voter though.
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"NaughtyStaffs, you're using whataboutism. A tried and tested tactic historically most associated with the Russians and Soviets. Instead of directly addressing the topic, you're pivoting and saying eg "what about the other lot". I keep seeing this tactic used by defedenders of Tory fuck ups. I do find that interesting... Good for you mate, As I said I would rather have a 1000 fuck ups than a controlling government in charge. Really? Why can’t we have neither? " What are we asking for a centre left government ? that ploughs enough money into public services, that doesn't borrow too much to do it, That respects our rights as individuals. That tries to get our carbon emissions down because there might be a bit of something in this greenhouse problem that's going on, that is compassionate and spends a bit of money on helping other less fortunate nations. What shall we call this party
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"NaughtyStaffs, you're using whataboutism. A tried and tested tactic historically most associated with the Russians and Soviets. Instead of directly addressing the topic, you're pivoting and saying eg "what about the other lot". I keep seeing this tactic used by defedenders of Tory fuck ups. I do find that interesting... Good for you mate, As I said I would rather have a 1000 fuck ups than a controlling government in charge. Really? Why can’t we have neither? What are we asking for a centre left government ? that ploughs enough money into public services, that doesn't borrow too much to do it, That respects our rights as individuals. That tries to get our carbon emissions down because there might be a bit of something in this greenhouse problem that's going on, that is compassionate and spends a bit of money on helping other less fortunate nations. What shall we call this party
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""The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 , George Orwell It is worrying how apt that quote feels.
Yes if your lot gets in we are far more likely to end up with an Orwellian future with the big state watching everything we do. I'd rather bumble along, relatively free than have a East German style dictatorship, with a state knowing best all the time. Make no mistake Jeremy Corbyn is an Eric Honecker behind all his smiles and platitudes.
Are you denying that Boris and The Tories are blatantly lying to you? Try and answer that question without attaching Corbyn & Labour
The are all lying to us. We just have to decide which lie we'd rather buy into with this election and I am pretty sure these geezers all know it. You'd rather buy the labour lie so knock yourself out but don't be surprised if 40 to 45% of the population don't agree with you.
I don't share your politics but I 100% agree that all parties are feeding us partisan propaganda, half-truths, misinformation and sometimes outright lies.
And of course all parties know exactly what they're doing. They've all made the political calculation that lying in the right circumstances can win you more votes than you might lose.
The goal is to win power, so pretty much anything goes.
The Tories are just the more brazen and ruthless with it.
Sometimes I wish Labour (who I'll be voting for) was as brazen and ruthless as the Tories in their pursuit of power.
Not sure what thay says about me as a person or voter though.
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Oh I dunno, Tony B liar managed to bump off that pesky writer of sexed up documents with little questions asked "Of course he did. | |||
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"NaughtyStaffs, you're using whataboutism. A tried and tested tactic historically most associated with the Russians and Soviets. Instead of directly addressing the topic, you're pivoting and saying eg "what about the other lot". I keep seeing this tactic used by defedenders of Tory fuck ups. I do find that interesting... Good for you mate, As I said I would rather have a 1000 fuck ups than a controlling government in charge. Really? Why can’t we have neither? What are we asking for a centre left government ? that ploughs enough money into public services, that doesn't borrow too much to do it, That respects our rights as individuals. That tries to get our carbon emissions down because there might be a bit of something in this greenhouse problem that's going on, that is compassionate and spends a bit of money on helping other less fortunate nations. What shall we call this party
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"It's hard to remember what the original topic was as this thread has been so twisted out of shape. Oh yeah. Tories lying blatantly. That was it." Ha ha so we are supposed to be good little comrades and put all our posts in all the right places rather than be a bit chaotic and treat it as social media and a bit of a larf. | |||
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"NaughtyStaffs, you're using whataboutism. A tried and tested tactic historically most associated with the Russians and Soviets. Instead of directly addressing the topic, you're pivoting and saying eg "what about the other lot". I keep seeing this tactic used by defedenders of Tory fuck ups. I do find that interesting... Good for you mate, As I said I would rather have a 1000 fuck ups than a controlling government in charge. Really? Why can’t we have neither? What are we asking for a centre left government ? that ploughs enough money into public services, that doesn't borrow too much to do it, That respects our rights as individuals. That tries to get our carbon emissions down because there might be a bit of something in this greenhouse problem that's going on, that is compassionate and spends a bit of money on helping other less fortunate nations. What shall we call this party
I don’t know, but would this party ‘get Brexit done’ ? "Well I'd rather pinned my hopes on the liberal democrats for my precious cross but they've rather fucked that up with their revoke article 50 pledge which didn't seem terribly wise at the time. | |||
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"Since been proven to be a fake story ." The story has not been proven false, as far as I'm aware. But I'll play along. Let's imagine the story was false. We'd still have the issue of how the Tories reacted afterwards. That's the real story anyway. Why did Johnson refuse to look at a pic of the kid lying on a hospital floor? Why did he go so far as to grab a journalist's phone and stuff it in his pocket? That's bizarre. It would have been far easier to address the pic. It shows a gobsmacking lack of humanity and empathy on Johnson's half. And why did the Tories later lie that one of their people was atttacked by a protester at the hospital? A claim that was utterly disproved by a video released later. That shows how manipulative and untrustworthty the Tories are. | |||
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"It's hard to remember what the original topic was as this thread has been so twisted out of shape. Oh yeah. Tories lying blatantly. That was it. Ha ha so we are supposed to be good little comrades and put all our posts in all the right places rather than be a bit chaotic and treat it as social media and a bit of a larf." Well... where should we start on this one? "Comrades"? You're really going there? After you used a tried and tested Russian and soviet tactic to defend the Tories? And we all know Johnson is sitting on a report into Russian interference in our elections. And the countless lies and spin of the Tories are just "a bit of a larf". No doubt the ruin they've wrought on the country is equally hilarious. | |||
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"It's hard to remember what the original topic was as this thread has been so twisted out of shape. Oh yeah. Tories lying blatantly. That was it. Ha ha so we are supposed to be good little comrades and put all our posts in all the right places rather than be a bit chaotic and treat it as social media and a bit of a larf. Well... where should we start on this one? "Comrades"? You're really going there? After you used a tried and tested Russian and soviet tactic to defend the Tories? And we all know Johnson is sitting on a report into Russian interference in our elections. And the countless lies and spin of the Tories are just "a bit of a larf". No doubt the ruin they've wrought on the country is equally hilarious. " I think I'd better just say Das Vedanya and let you get on. | |||
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"It's hard to remember what the original topic was as this thread has been so twisted out of shape. Oh yeah. Tories lying blatantly. That was it. Ha ha so we are supposed to be good little comrades and put all our posts in all the right places rather than be a bit chaotic and treat it as social media and a bit of a larf. Well... where should we start on this one? "Comrades"? You're really going there? After you used a tried and tested Russian and soviet tactic to defend the Tories? And we all know Johnson is sitting on a report into Russian interference in our elections. And the countless lies and spin of the Tories are just "a bit of a larf". No doubt the ruin they've wrought on the country is equally hilarious. I think I'd better just say Das Vedanya and let you get on." You made a ridiculous comment. I simply called you out on it. | |||
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"Labour supporters come across as being very sanctimonious and preachy tbh. I don't like it, it goes against my gut instinct and I bet an awful lot of people think the same." They come across as desperate to me. | |||
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"Doesn't matter what's true or not anymore sadly, people believe what aligns best with their party of choice, the very fact we have certain members here eat up proven fake news and propaganda is concrete proof of that. It's a sad time, we deserve our downfall and suffering to be honest if this is what the country is really like." What like everyone will have to pay a five figure sum to be treated for cancer? | |||
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