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"Another proof of how big ignorant he is. It's funny that his supporters (fanboys) are blind enough not to notice it." Every time Johnson and the Tories do or say something indefensible, their supporters just try and ignore it. | |||
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"His own world only features himself, with others used as wanted. His election has shown him to be rlusive to what the public want, such as equal grilling by Andrew Neil. He doesn't give a toss about what the poorer people deserve, just himself. Avoidance of any reality except his own stupid narcissistic filth. If you are happy to be used, go ahead and vote for him and his party " Time and time again, I see Tory supporters saying they just don't care about all their lies or the awful track record in government. They say they're voting to keep Corbyn out. That's been the real Tory success of recent years: convincing people that Corbyn might be even worse than them. It's amazing so many people have been taken in by this bullshit. | |||
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"People will vote for Boris if they want brexit , it is that simple and their choice and right , this election is basicly a 2nd referendum ." The Tories have been in government for 9 and a bit years. They've had 3 prime ministers in power who could have delivered Brexit. None of them did. Johnson voted against Brexit in the past. And he pulled his own Brexit deal to stop it progressing. Why the hell do people think Johnson and his bunch are the right choice, even if they want Brexit? | |||
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"Will somebody actually defend Johnson on this one? There always seems to be somebody who tries the impossible on here." No, what's the point. All that will happen is the people on here that hate Boris will attack the poster that does. | |||
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"If Johnson's actions were defensible in any way, I think people would try. I suspect most people know how awful Johnson is now. Hopefully some of those people may realise they don't want to vote for him after all." Or they may just be sick of the bile and hatred that gets spewed out at them. Look at all the posts on this politics forum. They are simply full of outrageous statements, accusations, ranting and nastiness. Doesn't matter what party your chosen one comes from, someone else will rubbish them and tell you your scum for daring to vote differently to them. The politics and discussion has become irrelevant, it's just become a sad reflect on how nasty the general population can be when there safely behind a keyboard. | |||
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"I have allways voted labour but i will not whilst corbyn in leader , i voted to leave and of the 51% who did most of them where made up by labour voters so he has gone against his voters wishes . " Johnson's gone against your wishes too, though. If you want Brexit, voting for him makes no sense. If you still genuinely want Brexit, the brexit party would seem the ones to vote for. All the delays and fuck ups happened while the Tories were in power. And you still think leave is a better option than remain? We've learned a lot in the 3 years since the vote. None of it points to Brexit being at all good for the coutnry. | |||
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"If Johnson's actions were defensible in any way, I think people would try. I suspect most people know how awful Johnson is now. Hopefully some of those people may realise they don't want to vote for him after all. Or they may just be sick of the bile and hatred that gets spewed out at them. Look at all the posts on this politics forum. They are simply full of outrageous statements, accusations, ranting and nastiness. Doesn't matter what party your chosen one comes from, someone else will rubbish them and tell you your scum for daring to vote differently to them. The politics and discussion has become irrelevant, it's just become a sad reflect on how nasty the general population can be when there safely behind a keyboard." I don't think I've spewed bile and hatred at any forum member. I think I've just provided facts and arguments for and against things. The facts point to the Tories being lousy in government and Brexit being a huge and damaging mistake for us all. | |||
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"I have allways voted labour but i will not whilst corbyn in leader , i voted to leave and of the 51% who did most of them where made up by labour voters so he has gone against his voters wishes . " How has he gone against his voters though? Hes promising a 2nd referendum on the negotiated brexit deal so people can take a look at it and then decide accordingly. 3 years ago no one knew what brexit looked like or what in involved, not to mention the numerous lies (one in particular on the side of the bus). 52% of the voters voted blindly i was part of that 52% but now i want to change mind just like i would once i got a surveyor out to inpect a house i intended to buy and it came back and showed a whole lot of problems and wont be a good deal, i have the option to pull my offer. Well same should go for brexit, the survey is in and the result is brexit will leave our country in a worse off posistion, so i want that 2nd referendum so i can change my vote. Simples. Corbyn isnt going against the voters hes giving you, me and everyome else the oppurtunity to confirm our initial votes or change our minds on what ever brexit is negotiated. Its by far the most democratic option available to us. | |||
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"I have allways voted labour but i will not whilst corbyn in leader , i voted to leave and of the 51% who did most of them where made up by labour voters so he has gone against his voters wishes . How has he gone against his voters though? Hes promising a 2nd referendum on the negotiated brexit deal so people can take a look at it and then decide accordingly. 3 years ago no one knew what brexit looked like or what in involved, not to mention the numerous lies (one in particular on the side of the bus). 52% of the voters voted blindly i was part of that 52% but now i want to change mind just like i would once i got a surveyor out to inpect a house i intended to buy and it came back and showed a whole lot of problems and wont be a good deal, i have the option to pull my offer. Well same should go for brexit, the survey is in and the result is brexit will leave our country in a worse off posistion, so i want that 2nd referendum so i can change my vote. Simples. Corbyn isnt going against the voters hes giving you, me and everyome else the oppurtunity to confirm our initial votes or change our minds on what ever brexit is negotiated. Its by far the most democratic option available to us. " | |||
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"If Johnson's actions were defensible in any way, I think people would try. I suspect most people know how awful Johnson is now. Hopefully some of those people may realise they don't want to vote for him after all. Or they may just be sick of the bile and hatred that gets spewed out at them. Look at all the posts on this politics forum. They are simply full of outrageous statements, accusations, ranting and nastiness. Doesn't matter what party your chosen one comes from, someone else will rubbish them and tell you your scum for daring to vote differently to them. The politics and discussion has become irrelevant, it's just become a sad reflect on how nasty the general population can be when there safely behind a keyboard." | |||
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"I have allways voted labour but i will not whilst corbyn in leader , i voted to leave and of the 51% who did most of them where made up by labour voters so he has gone against his voters wishes . " its now "brexit blindness" gone mad..... no other issue will penertrate some people... be that the nhs, where johnson had lied... or policing, where johnson has lied or education, where johnson had lied or even brexit itself, where the DUP are saying that johnson is lying!!!! saying nasty thing that could be considered sexist, racist, homophobic.... but as long as he drives thru a deal worst that mays... he's our may!!!!! am i right? | |||
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"I have allways voted labour but i will not whilst corbyn in leader , i voted to leave and of the 51% who did most of them where made up by labour voters so he has gone against his voters wishes . " Listen up you, I am very reluctant to vote for corbyn, I’d wish there was another labour leader, but compared to that cunt boris Johnson, I’d vote for labour. | |||
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"Who's seen this? A v ill 4 year old kid was forced to lie on a coat on a hospital floor as there was no bed he could lie in. When a journlist tried to show Johnson the pic on his phone, Johnson wouldn't even look at it. When pressed further, johnson actually grabbed the journalist's phone and stuffed it in a pocket. Anything to avoid looking at it. If anybody doesn't believe me, watch the clip for yourself. It's easy to find." The incident to which you refer is simply a cheap publicity stunt by a journalist. Boris is campaigning to be Prime Minister, not the admissions manager of the local hospital. Without seeing the shift roosters for the day and bed occupancy rates no one would be able to work out why no bed was available. Unless the patient came to any harm the issue is simply a matter of inconvenience. I guess the publicity seeking journalist decided no to ask the local hospital management for an explanation. Boris can do nothing about it after the event. What did the journalist expect him to do ? | |||
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"People will vote for Boris if they want brexit , it is that simple and their choice and right , this election is basicly a 2nd referendum ." No it is not. The only people I know trotting that out are generally leavers, how you voted though I have no idea | |||
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" The incident to which you refer is simply a cheap publicity stunt by a journalist. Boris is campaigning to be Prime Minister, not the admissions manager of the local hospital. " i'm sorry pat but Johnson has made a political thing of the NHS this election... If he claims he will recruit 50,000 new nurses... then has to admit its actually only at most going to be 30,000 because you think you are going to retain 20,000 nurses.. thats something he owns if he claims there are going build 40 new hospitals... then has to admit his 40 is actually 6...... thats something he owns..... the A&E figures have been going up over the last 10 years of tory rule (even why they lowered the targets so they might have a chance of hitting them) spending on the nhs has lowered in terms of percentage! the hospital admitted there was an issue over the weekend.. the conservatives panicked and sent the health sec up there to "firefight" so yes... blame the man at the top.... and the way he dealt with is was ridiculous! no wonder they wouldn't put him up with andrew neil | |||
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"Who's seen this? A v ill 4 year old kid was forced to lie on a coat on a hospital floor as there was no bed he could lie in. When a journlist tried to show Johnson the pic on his phone, Johnson wouldn't even look at it. When pressed further, johnson actually grabbed the journalist's phone and stuffed it in a pocket. Anything to avoid looking at it. If anybody doesn't believe me, watch the clip for yourself. It's easy to find. The incident to which you refer is simply a cheap publicity stunt by a journalist. Boris is campaigning to be Prime Minister, not the admissions manager of the local hospital. Without seeing the shift roosters for the day and bed occupancy rates no one would be able to work out why no bed was available. Unless the patient came to any harm the issue is simply a matter of inconvenience. I guess the publicity seeking journalist decided no to ask the local hospital management for an explanation. Boris can do nothing about it after the event. What did the journalist expect him to do ? " I was scrolling up from the bottom of the thread reading this comment and I knew who'd posted it before I even saw the top of the message I think Pat what you are totally missing is the fact that hospital bed numbers have been reduced so much under the Conservatives that the journalist is highlighting that fact to our glorious PM that this hospital didn't have enough resources while under the Conservatives. | |||
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"People will vote for Boris if they want brexit , it is that simple and their choice and right , this election is basicly a 2nd referendum . No it is not. The only people I know trotting that out are generally leavers, how you voted though I have no idea " Anyone who doesn't think this isn't a second referendum election - has been sat in a portaloo takin' one too many breaks. | |||
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"People will vote for Boris if they want brexit , it is that simple and their choice and right , this election is basicly a 2nd referendum ." If someone bases their vote on brexit they are a cunt! | |||
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"People will vote for Boris if they want brexit , it is that simple and their choice and right , this election is basicly a 2nd referendum . If someone bases their vote on brexit they are a cunt! " | |||
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"People will vote for Boris if they want brexit , it is that simple and their choice and right , this election is basicly a 2nd referendum . If someone bases their vote on brexit they are a cunt! " Possibly misguided also | |||
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"People will vote for Boris if they want brexit , it is that simple and their choice and right , this election is basicly a 2nd referendum . No it is not. The only people I know trotting that out are generally leavers, how you voted though I have no idea Anyone who doesn't think this isn't a second referendum election - has been sat in a portaloo takin' one too many breaks." If people want a 2nd referendum then petition for one, this is a general election with Brexit being one issue out of hundreds | |||
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"People will vote for Boris if they want brexit , it is that simple and their choice and right , this election is basicly a 2nd referendum . If someone bases their vote on brexit they are a cunt! " | |||
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"People will vote for Boris if they want brexit , it is that simple and their choice and right , this election is basicly a 2nd referendum . If someone bases their vote on brexit they are a cunt! " Maybe not a cunt, fucking stupid yes but a cunt?, many of them are nice so I wouldn't use that word Arseholes, picks, wankers yeah that's fair game | |||
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"People will vote for Boris if they want brexit , it is that simple and their choice and right , this election is basicly a 2nd referendum . If someone bases their vote on brexit they are a cunt! " guess I’m a cunt then lol slandered post from remainers tho | |||
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"People will vote for Boris if they want brexit , it is that simple and their choice and right , this election is basicly a 2nd referendum . If someone bases their vote on brexit they are a cunt! guess I’m a cunt then lol slandered post from remainers tho " If the shoe fits..... | |||
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"People will vote for Boris if they want brexit , it is that simple and their choice and right , this election is basicly a 2nd referendum . If someone bases their vote on brexit they are a cunt! guess I’m a cunt then lol slandered post from remainers tho " If you attach a label to yourself then how can you blame others | |||
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"People will vote for Boris if they want brexit , it is that simple and their choice and right , this election is basicly a 2nd referendum . If someone bases their vote on brexit they are a cunt! guess I’m a cunt then lol slandered post from remainers tho If the shoe fits..... " wheyyyy and another nasty remainer comment don’t stop there guys how about traitors racists far right scum | |||
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"People will vote for Boris if they want brexit , it is that simple and their choice and right , this election is basicly a 2nd referendum . If someone bases their vote on brexit they are a cunt! guess I’m a cunt then lol slandered post from remainers tho If you attach a label to yourself then how can you blame others " weres my label I’ve attached ? | |||
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"People will vote for Boris if they want brexit , it is that simple and their choice and right , this election is basicly a 2nd referendum . No it is not. The only people I know trotting that out are generally leavers, how you voted though I have no idea Anyone who doesn't think this isn't a second referendum election - has been sat in a portaloo takin' one too many breaks. If people want a 2nd referendum then petition for one, this is a general election with Brexit being one issue out of hundreds " I am waking up from a power nap but the Gen Election was supposed to be in 2022? It's been called early as although the WAB passed, moving the WAB through parliament when motions and amendments will stall anything a government may want to do will not get it anywhere. A public referendum on brexit would be either to brexit or remain. It wouldn't resolve the impasse in parliament. Notwithstanding, who would read a 500 page legal text when the majority don't read manifestos. | |||
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"People will vote for Boris if they want brexit , it is that simple and their choice and right , this election is basicly a 2nd referendum . If someone bases their vote on brexit they are a cunt! guess I’m a cunt then lol slandered post from remainers tho " So brexit is the only thing that matters to you??!? | |||
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"I don't think anybody should be insulted for the way they vote. But they should be able to base their vote on reality as opposed to a tidal wave of blatant lies." I didn't insult anyone for the way they vote... I did however insult certain people for the reason they vote the way they vote | |||
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"People will vote for Boris if they want brexit , it is that simple and their choice and right , this election is basicly a 2nd referendum . If someone bases their vote on brexit they are a cunt! guess I’m a cunt then lol slandered post from remainers tho If the shoe fits..... wheyyyy and another nasty remainer comment don’t stop there guys how about traitors racists far right scum " I ain’t a remainer, I want a deal , BTW are you are sub? | |||
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"People will vote for Boris if they want brexit , it is that simple and their choice and right , this election is basicly a 2nd referendum . If someone bases their vote on brexit they are a cunt! guess I’m a cunt then lol slandered post from remainers tho If the shoe fits..... wheyyyy and another nasty remainer comment don’t stop there guys how about traitors racists far right scum I ain’t a remainer, I want a deal , BTW are you are sub? " what are you talking about am I a sub ? | |||
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"I don't think anybody should be insulted for the way they vote. But they should be able to base their vote on reality as opposed to a tidal wave of blatant lies. I didn't insult anyone for the way they vote... I did however insult certain people for the reason they vote the way they vote " its supposed to be a democracy that means ppl vote in diffrent ways to others and we respect there right to vote which ever way they choose | |||
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"I don't think anybody should be insulted for the way they vote. But they should be able to base their vote on reality as opposed to a tidal wave of blatant lies." But the NHS has been underfunded. No PFI's were ever hurt in this austerity video | |||
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"People will vote for Boris if they want brexit , it is that simple and their choice and right , this election is basicly a 2nd referendum . If someone bases their vote on brexit they are a cunt! guess I’m a cunt then lol slandered post from remainers tho If the shoe fits..... wheyyyy and another nasty remainer comment don’t stop there guys how about traitors racists far right scum I ain’t a remainer, I want a deal , BTW are you are sub? what are you talking about am I a sub ?" This is swinging site after all, are you a sub? | |||
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"Check out my profile I’m a straight guy with a wife and a gf we are a fmf3sum I’m dom wud u like me to be yr sub sweety lol" Ooh someones offended, you don’t need to prove your masculinity to me, it was just a question. | |||
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"I don't think anybody should be insulted for the way they vote. But they should be able to base their vote on reality as opposed to a tidal wave of blatant lies. I didn't insult anyone for the way they vote... I did however insult certain people for the reason they vote the way they vote its supposed to be a democracy that means ppl vote in diffrent ways to others and we respect there right to vote which ever way they choose " I respect your right to vote, whichever way you choose. I do not have to respect your reasons for doing so | |||
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"I don't think anybody should be insulted for the way they vote. But they should be able to base their vote on reality as opposed to a tidal wave of blatant lies. I didn't insult anyone for the way they vote... I did however insult certain people for the reason they vote the way they vote its supposed to be a democracy that means ppl vote in diffrent ways to others and we respect there right to vote which ever way they choose I respect your right to vote, whichever way you choose. I do not have to respect your reasons for doing so" im not bothered why ppl vote I respect there privacy it’s there right | |||
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"You was 4 two years ago? Puts the rest of the tale into doubt. Anyhoo, a left wing paper pulls a political stunt using a picture of a child without the parents consent. That is unforgivable. For the rest you need to find out the full details and I am sure the person at that hospital responsible for admissions will be reprimanded for their failure." firstly... smartarse! was in hospital for 3 weeks and off work for 3 months, so pneumonia isn't something taken lightly! secondly..... actually it was the yorkshire evening post that got the original photo! the mirror did ask the parents for permission to repost it.... thirdly.... the parents have come out and say the staff were fantastic... they did not criticise the A&E staff at all Fourthly..... Leeds General have admitted they had an A&E waiting time issue, said it was their busiest weekend in about 3 yrs! Why do you think the Health Sec was suddenly sent up there this afternoon to try and "firefight" the situation?????? so you may want to get some of the facts right yourself rather than just throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks... the only thing i am surprised you didn't throw out there was the tory staffer assault allegation a senior tory source did... that was until a video came out! anyway... talking of smears... did you see the mail on sunday got censured today for printed smears and untruths about labour policy..... | |||
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"I don't think anybody should be insulted for the way they vote. But they should be able to base their vote on reality as opposed to a tidal wave of blatant lies. I didn't insult anyone for the way they vote... I did however insult certain people for the reason they vote the way they vote its supposed to be a democracy that means ppl vote in diffrent ways to others and we respect there right to vote which ever way they choose I respect your right to vote, whichever way you choose. I do not have to respect your reasons for doing soim not bothered why ppl vote I respect there privacy it’s there right " One thing you can say about Brexit, the behaviour of our politicians and the manner in which parties have used every dirty trick in the book and invented some new ones.... it says a lot about as a nation. And it's nothing to be proud of. When Boris Johnson is our prime minister will you be proud to have him represent you as a Brit? | |||
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"You was 4 two years ago? Puts the rest of the tale into doubt. Anyhoo, a left wing paper pulls a political stunt using a picture of a child without the parents consent. That is unforgivable. For the rest you need to find out the full details and I am sure the person at that hospital responsible for admissions will be reprimanded for their failure. firstly... smartarse! was in hospital for 3 weeks and off work for 3 months, so pneumonia isn't something taken lightly! secondly..... actually it was the yorkshire evening post that got the original photo! the mirror did ask the parents for permission to repost it.... thirdly.... the parents have come out and say the staff were fantastic... they did not criticise the A&E staff at all Fourthly..... Leeds General have admitted they had an A&E waiting time issue, said it was their busiest weekend in about 3 yrs! Why do you think the Health Sec was suddenly sent up there this afternoon to try and "firefight" the situation?????? so you may want to get some of the facts right yourself rather than just throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks... the only thing i am surprised you didn't throw out there was the tory staffer assault allegation a senior tory source did... that was until a video came out! anyway... talking of smears... did you see the mail on sunday got censured today for printed smears and untruths about labour policy....." Fabio. I like your style dude. Respect | |||
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"I don't think anybody should be insulted for the way they vote. But they should be able to base their vote on reality as opposed to a tidal wave of blatant lies. I didn't insult anyone for the way they vote... I did however insult certain people for the reason they vote the way they vote its supposed to be a democracy that means ppl vote in diffrent ways to others and we respect there right to vote which ever way they choose I respect your right to vote, whichever way you choose. I do not have to respect your reasons for doing soim not bothered why ppl vote I respect there privacy it’s there right One thing you can say about Brexit, the behaviour of our politicians and the manner in which parties have used every dirty trick in the book and invented some new ones.... it says a lot about as a nation. And it's nothing to be proud of. When Boris Johnson is our prime minister will you be proud to have him represent you as a Brit?" no not proud at all but I feel same if Corbyn was to be pm it’s a shocking shower of shit to choose from | |||
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"for the sake of open-ness in the conversation... 2 yrs ago, that 4 yr old kid was me.... I took myself to A&E because i litterally had to roll out of bed, i called an ambulance and was diagnosed with suspected pneumonia... i was in an overflow ward for 36 hrs because there were no beds.... and when they got me into a specialised ward... and it was touch and go for a while if i was going to that ward or ICU! so yeah.. i know how traumatic it can be.... and i know what a bloody good job the staff in the NHS do with the limited resources they have.... so for anyone to this that Brexit is the be all and end all... and to take extent its the no.1 issue, it really annoys me! anyway said enough... i'm done" . It’s a good job you don’t live in Wales https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2019/12/labours-record-wales-doesnt-make-me-angry-just-disappointed | |||
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"I don't think anybody should be insulted for the way they vote. But they should be able to base their vote on reality as opposed to a tidal wave of blatant lies. I didn't insult anyone for the way they vote... I did however insult certain people for the reason they vote the way they vote its supposed to be a democracy that means ppl vote in diffrent ways to others and we respect there right to vote which ever way they choose I respect your right to vote, whichever way you choose. I do not have to respect your reasons for doing soim not bothered why ppl vote I respect there privacy it’s there right " | |||
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"You was 4 two years ago? Puts the rest of the tale into doubt. Anyhoo, a left wing paper pulls a political stunt using a picture of a child without the parents consent. That is unforgivable. For the rest you need to find out the full details and I am sure the person at that hospital responsible for admissions will be reprimanded for their failure. firstly... smartarse! was in hospital for 3 weeks and off work for 3 months, so pneumonia isn't something taken lightly! secondly..... actually it was the yorkshire evening post that got the original photo! the mirror did ask the parents for permission to repost it.... thirdly.... the parents have come out and say the staff were fantastic... they did not criticise the A&E staff at all Fourthly..... Leeds General have admitted they had an A&E waiting time issue, said it was their busiest weekend in about 3 yrs! Why do you think the Health Sec was suddenly sent up there this afternoon to try and "firefight" the situation?????? so you may want to get some of the facts right yourself rather than just throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks... the only thing i am surprised you didn't throw out there was the tory staffer assault allegation a senior tory source did... that was until a video came out! anyway... talking of smears... did you see the mail on sunday got censured today for printed smears and untruths about labour policy....." Calm down, I'm merely pointing out if you can't get your own age right it throws the rest into doubt. Glad the Tory run NHS nursed you back to recovery. You have, however, raised the single most important point. It was an extraordinarily busy weekend and the hospital was caught out. Admission staff were totally unprepared and couldn't cope. Facts are so much better when you don't distort them I don't read the mail, or any other paper. They are all a pile of biased shite and can not be trusted. | |||
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"You was 4 two years ago? Puts the rest of the tale into doubt. Anyhoo, a left wing paper pulls a political stunt using a picture of a child without the parents consent. That is unforgivable. For the rest you need to find out the full details and I am sure the person at that hospital responsible for admissions will be reprimanded for their failure. firstly... smartarse! was in hospital for 3 weeks and off work for 3 months, so pneumonia isn't something taken lightly! secondly..... actually it was the yorkshire evening post that got the original photo! the mirror did ask the parents for permission to repost it.... thirdly.... the parents have come out and say the staff were fantastic... they did not criticise the A&E staff at all Fourthly..... Leeds General have admitted they had an A&E waiting time issue, said it was their busiest weekend in about 3 yrs! Why do you think the Health Sec was suddenly sent up there this afternoon to try and "firefight" the situation?????? so you may want to get some of the facts right yourself rather than just throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks... the only thing i am surprised you didn't throw out there was the tory staffer assault allegation a senior tory source did... that was until a video came out! anyway... talking of smears... did you see the mail on sunday got censured today for printed smears and untruths about labour policy..... Calm down, I'm merely pointing out if you can't get your own age right it throws the rest into doubt. Glad the Tory run NHS nursed you back to recovery. You have, however, raised the single most important point. It was an extraordinarily busy weekend and the hospital was caught out. Admission staff were totally unprepared and couldn't cope. Facts are so much better when you don't distort them I don't read the mail, or any other paper. They are all a pile of biased shite and can not be trusted." Not sure that I'm following you here. From what Fabio is saying I'm gathering that he thankfully survived in spite of the fact that it was Tory run. Sounds like it could have gone better. So the maximum capacity of a hospital is based on the average number of patients one can expect not the busiest? And we don't have enough hospitals to send overflow to? And this is acceptable in a country which holds 14.2trillion £ in wealth? Once the richest country on earth? | |||
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" so for anyone to this that Brexit is the be all and end all... and to take extent its the no.1 issue, it really annoys me! " There are political footballs in every election. It looks like the NHS has become hyped beyond reason. Shame the welfare state hasn't even made second place. To clear up the Leeds boy. He was triaged (so was assessed) had a chair for 4hrs, put on a trolley in a treatment room, admitted and discharged the next day - no pneumonia. The reporter sensationalised it - with language of suspected pneumonia. What kid has ever sat still for 4hrs and not got comfy. I bet she got a whole £100 for her story of wanting an immediate bed for a fluy kid. | |||
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"You was 4 two years ago? Puts the rest of the tale into doubt. Anyhoo, a left wing paper pulls a political stunt using a picture of a child without the parents consent. That is unforgivable. For the rest you need to find out the full details and I am sure the person at that hospital responsible for admissions will be reprimanded for their failure. firstly... smartarse! was in hospital for 3 weeks and off work for 3 months, so pneumonia isn't something taken lightly! secondly..... actually it was the yorkshire evening post that got the original photo! the mirror did ask the parents for permission to repost it.... thirdly.... the parents have come out and say the staff were fantastic... they did not criticise the A&E staff at all Fourthly..... Leeds General have admitted they had an A&E waiting time issue, said it was their busiest weekend in about 3 yrs! Why do you think the Health Sec was suddenly sent up there this afternoon to try and "firefight" the situation?????? so you may want to get some of the facts right yourself rather than just throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks... the only thing i am surprised you didn't throw out there was the tory staffer assault allegation a senior tory source did... that was until a video came out! anyway... talking of smears... did you see the mail on sunday got censured today for printed smears and untruths about labour policy..... Calm down, I'm merely pointing out if you can't get your own age right it throws the rest into doubt. Glad the Tory run NHS nursed you back to recovery. You have, however, raised the single most important point. It was an extraordinarily busy weekend and the hospital was caught out. Admission staff were totally unprepared and couldn't cope. Facts are so much better when you don't distort them I don't read the mail, or any other paper. They are all a pile of biased shite and can not be trusted. Not sure that I'm following you here. From what Fabio is saying I'm gathering that he thankfully survived in spite of the fact that it was Tory run. Sounds like it could have gone better. So the maximum capacity of a hospital is based on the average number of patients one can expect not the busiest? And we don't have enough hospitals to send overflow to? And this is acceptable in a country which holds 14.2trillion £ in wealth? Once the richest country on earth? Down to all the smokers , drinkers and fatties with all their associated health problems and wrinklies living longer" Actually for the first time in a long time longevity is on a downward trend. Do we all truly believe the NHS is in the best state it could be in? (And that I don't mean the United States) | |||
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"It was a fake pic stunt pulled by the mother, a labour activist. He was initially put on a bed in paediatric emergency, seen in 20 mins, tests done, but then a more serious case needed the last bed in the unit and he had to wait in chairs to go up to a bed on the ward for overnight obs. The MOTHER put him on the floor, took pics, and sent them to the left wing media, nearly a week ago. Disgusting lies, retweeted by Corbyn himself, and put out on MSM. It will be debunked in National Press on Wed, the Telegraph are investigating, but hopefully by TV before then. The hospital apologised that he had to wait on a chair in a treatment room before going up to the ward, but they did NOT put him on the floor or treat him there. " You realise you're defending the Tories over a sick kid who had to lie on a hospital floor? Wow. You're saying the pic was fake? So the kid was an actor? Doubtless trained in the RSC too. That lefty institution. No wonder the mother's a Labour activist. She's probabbly a sleeper agent too! Jesus. | |||
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"It was a fake pic stunt pulled by the mother, a labour activist. He was initially put on a bed in paediatric emergency, seen in 20 mins, tests done, but then a more serious case needed the last bed in the unit and he had to wait in chairs to go up to a bed on the ward for overnight obs. The MOTHER put him on the floor, took pics, and sent them to the left wing media, nearly a week ago. Disgusting lies, retweeted by Corbyn himself, and put out on MSM. It will be debunked in National Press on Wed, the Telegraph are investigating, but hopefully by TV before then. The hospital apologised that he had to wait on a chair in a treatment room before going up to the ward, but they did NOT put him on the floor or treat him there. " Yep... more labour lies | |||
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"It was a fake pic stunt pulled by the mother, a labour activist. He was initially put on a bed in paediatric emergency, seen in 20 mins, tests done, but then a more serious case needed the last bed in the unit and he had to wait in chairs to go up to a bed on the ward for overnight obs. The MOTHER put him on the floor, took pics, and sent them to the left wing media, nearly a week ago. Disgusting lies, retweeted by Corbyn himself, and put out on MSM. It will be debunked in National Press on Wed, the Telegraph are investigating, but hopefully by TV before then. The hospital apologised that he had to wait on a chair in a treatment room before going up to the ward, but they did NOT put him on the floor or treat him there. Yep... more labour lies " Actually its all true and the hospital acknowledged it and apologised. | |||
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"It was a fake pic stunt pulled by the mother, a labour activist. He was initially put on a bed in paediatric emergency, seen in 20 mins, tests done, but then a more serious case needed the last bed in the unit and he had to wait in chairs to go up to a bed on the ward for overnight obs. The MOTHER put him on the floor, took pics, and sent them to the left wing media, nearly a week ago. Disgusting lies, retweeted by Corbyn himself, and put out on MSM. It will be debunked in National Press on Wed, the Telegraph are investigating, but hopefully by TV before then. The hospital apologised that he had to wait on a chair in a treatment room before going up to the ward, but they did NOT put him on the floor or treat him there. Yep... more labour lies Actually its all true and the hospital acknowledged it and apologised. " It doesn't make any difference to people like them. It's still a lie. | |||
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"It was a fake pic stunt pulled by the mother, a labour activist. He was initially put on a bed in paediatric emergency, seen in 20 mins, tests done, but then a more serious case needed the last bed in the unit and he had to wait in chairs to go up to a bed on the ward for overnight obs. The MOTHER put him on the floor, took pics, and sent them to the left wing media, nearly a week ago. Disgusting lies, retweeted by Corbyn himself, and put out on MSM. It will be debunked in National Press on Wed, the Telegraph are investigating, but hopefully by TV before then. The hospital apologised that he had to wait on a chair in a treatment room before going up to the ward, but they did NOT put him on the floor or treat him there. You realise you're defending the Tories over a sick kid who had to lie on a hospital floor? Wow. You're saying the pic was fake? So the kid was an actor? Doubtless trained in the RSC too. That lefty institution. No wonder the mother's a Labour activist. She's probabbly a sleeper agent too! Jesus." I think that this boy should be nominated for the Oscar statuette as the best actor and his mother as the best director | |||
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"It was a fake pic stunt pulled by the mother, a labour activist. He was initially put on a bed in paediatric emergency, seen in 20 mins, tests done, but then a more serious case needed the last bed in the unit and he had to wait in chairs to go up to a bed on the ward for overnight obs. The MOTHER put him on the floor, took pics, and sent them to the left wing media, nearly a week ago. Disgusting lies, retweeted by Corbyn himself, and put out on MSM. It will be debunked in National Press on Wed, the Telegraph are investigating, but hopefully by TV before then. The hospital apologised that he had to wait on a chair in a treatment room before going up to the ward, but they did NOT put him on the floor or treat him there. " The voice of reality. Just as we thought. A cheap publicity stunt which has back fired. | |||
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"Who's seen this? A v ill 4 year old kid was forced to lie on a coat on a hospital floor as there was no bed he could lie in. When a journlist tried to show Johnson the pic on his phone, Johnson wouldn't even look at it. When pressed further, johnson actually grabbed the journalist's phone and stuffed it in a pocket. Anything to avoid looking at it. If anybody doesn't believe me, watch the clip for yourself. It's easy to find." Does any know how much the mother in question has contributed to the health service? It would be interesting to see how much income tax she has paid if any. Her child came to no harm yet she is now critising the health service. It is an insult to the hard working staff who are doing their best to help everyone . The harsh reality is thst funds are not unlimited . Maybe she should take out private insurance if she is that bothered or suggest where all the additional funding will come from. | |||
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"It was a fake pic stunt pulled by the mother, a labour activist. He was initially put on a bed in paediatric emergency, seen in 20 mins, tests done, but then a more serious case needed the last bed in the unit and he had to wait in chairs to go up to a bed on the ward for overnight obs. The MOTHER put him on the floor, took pics, and sent them to the left wing media, nearly a week ago. Disgusting lies, retweeted by Corbyn himself, and put out on MSM. It will be debunked in National Press on Wed, the Telegraph are investigating, but hopefully by TV before then. The hospital apologised that he had to wait on a chair in a treatment room before going up to the ward, but they did NOT put him on the floor or treat him there. The voice of reality. Just as we thought. A cheap publicity stunt which has back fired. " It's been confirmed that bots tried to call all of this a publicity stunt, please don't fall for it, have some form of intelligence please, you're literally buying into Tory propaganda and ready to call it truth. | |||
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"The photo in question has been deemed in many circles as being fake. Yes it not only Boris that can lie. Has the mother of this child came out and been interviewed to explain why her son was supposedly on the floor ???" What are ‘many circles’ Can you be more specific? | |||
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"It was a fake pic stunt pulled by the mother, a labour activist. He was initially put on a bed in paediatric emergency, seen in 20 mins, tests done, but then a more serious case needed the last bed in the unit and he had to wait in chairs to go up to a bed on the ward for overnight obs. The MOTHER put him on the floor, took pics, and sent them to the left wing media, nearly a week ago. Disgusting lies, retweeted by Corbyn himself, and put out on MSM. It will be debunked in National Press on Wed, the Telegraph are investigating, but hopefully by TV before then. The hospital apologised that he had to wait on a chair in a treatment room before going up to the ward, but they did NOT put him on the floor or treat him there. " Christ almighty thats the most idiotic and disgusting hatemongering I have read on here yet - shame on you | |||
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"Who's seen this? A v ill 4 year old kid was forced to lie on a coat on a hospital floor as there was no bed he could lie in. When a journlist tried to show Johnson the pic on his phone, Johnson wouldn't even look at it. When pressed further, johnson actually grabbed the journalist's phone and stuffed it in a pocket. Anything to avoid looking at it. If anybody doesn't believe me, watch the clip for yourself. It's easy to find. Does any know how much the mother in question has contributed to the health service? It would be interesting to see how much income tax she has paid if any. Her child came to no harm yet she is now critising the health service. It is an insult to the hard working staff who are doing their best to help everyone . The harsh reality is thst funds are not unlimited . Maybe she should take out private insurance if she is that bothered or suggest where all the additional funding will come from. " Even for you, this is a new low....and incidentally they were criticising the state of the nhs under the tories not the nhs themselves.... I mean ffs when did the tories last increase the NHS budget in real terms? Promises are lies when they are distortions of the truth. The Tory spending spree is not enough to even keep pace with inflation ie less than is needed ie a shrinking budget. Do the numbers and prove me wrong....if you can without resorting to your usual sources | |||
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"The photo in question has been deemed in many circles as being fake. Yes it not only Boris that can lie. Has the mother of this child came out and been interviewed to explain why her son was supposedly on the floor ???" It's NOT fake, that's the conservatives team going into overdrive, just search for "very interesting," to see how many Tory dummy accounts tweeted the near exact same statement to journalists en-mass, all who happen to know the exact same senior nurse at "Leeds Hospital" Please do not fall for propaganda! | |||
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"It was a fake pic stunt pulled by the mother, a labour activist. He was initially put on a bed in paediatric emergency, seen in 20 mins, tests done, but then a more serious case needed the last bed in the unit and he had to wait in chairs to go up to a bed on the ward for overnight obs. The MOTHER put him on the floor, took pics, and sent them to the left wing media, nearly a week ago. Disgusting lies, retweeted by Corbyn himself, and put out on MSM. It will be debunked in National Press on Wed, the Telegraph are investigating, but hopefully by TV before then. The hospital apologised that he had to wait on a chair in a treatment room before going up to the ward, but they did NOT put him on the floor or treat him there. Christ almighty thats the most idiotic and disgusting hatemongering I have read on here yet - shame on you " Any other time of year it'd be Phil and Holly talking about Gino's spicy meatballs. | |||
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"The photo in question has been deemed in many circles as being fake. Yes it not only Boris that can lie. Has the mother of this child came out and been interviewed to explain why her son was supposedly on the floor ??? It's NOT fake, that's the conservatives team going into overdrive, just search for "very interesting," to see how many Tory dummy accounts tweeted the near exact same statement to journalists en-mass, all who happen to know the exact same senior nurse at "Leeds Hospital" Please do not fall for propaganda!" . You have no idea where that picture came from but are rigid in your beliefs it's true. 2 nurses from the hospital today phoned in to the radio station stating that beds on that day were unavailable but that no nurse in that department would even think about putting that child on the floor,a trolley,a chair, but never the floor, it's basic training. I have more faith in nurses than politicians or even some mothers. | |||
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"smells of another labour stunt to me old jez has form of sitting on the floor in trains.But even if its not there are 66 million people in Britain and these things will happen now n then. " It's been proven the source that's calling this fake was a few hundred Tory dummy accounts tweeting the same message about knowing the same senior nurse at "Leeds Hospital", you're falling for propaganda because you dislike Labour, it's kind of sad how many are like you. | |||
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"It was a fake pic stunt pulled by the mother, a labour activist. He was initially put on a bed in paediatric emergency, seen in 20 mins, tests done, but then a more serious case needed the last bed in the unit and he had to wait in chairs to go up to a bed on the ward for overnight obs. The MOTHER put him on the floor, took pics, and sent them to the left wing media, nearly a week ago. Disgusting lies, retweeted by Corbyn himself, and put out on MSM. It will be debunked in National Press on Wed, the Telegraph are investigating, but hopefully by TV before then. The hospital apologised that he had to wait on a chair in a treatment room before going up to the ward, but they did NOT put him on the floor or treat him there. Yep... more labour lies Actually its all true and the hospital acknowledged it and apologised. " . The written statement from the hospital is online. That is exactly what they wrote, they apologised for only having a chair available in the treatment room he was moved to. No nurse put him on the floor, his own mother in her own words put him on the floor because he wanted to go to sleep. | |||
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"It was a fake pic stunt pulled by the mother, a labour activist. He was initially put on a bed in paediatric emergency, seen in 20 mins, tests done, but then a more serious case needed the last bed in the unit and he had to wait in chairs to go up to a bed on the ward for overnight obs. The MOTHER put him on the floor, took pics, and sent them to the left wing media, nearly a week ago. Disgusting lies, retweeted by Corbyn himself, and put out on MSM. It will be debunked in National Press on Wed, the Telegraph are investigating, but hopefully by TV before then. The hospital apologised that he had to wait on a chair in a treatment room before going up to the ward, but they did NOT put him on the floor or treat him there. Yep... more labour lies Actually its all true and the hospital acknowledged it and apologised. . The written statement from the hospital is online. That is exactly what they wrote, they apologised for only having a chair available in the treatment room he was moved to. No nurse put him on the floor, his own mother in her own words put him on the floor because he wanted to go to sleep." Why wasn’t there any beds available? Why is it relevant who put him on the floor? If he wanted to sleep then where else could he have gone? Why did Boris take a reporters phone and put it in his pocket? | |||
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"It was a fake pic stunt pulled by the mother, a labour activist. He was initially put on a bed in paediatric emergency, seen in 20 mins, tests done, but then a more serious case needed the last bed in the unit and he had to wait in chairs to go up to a bed on the ward for overnight obs. The MOTHER put him on the floor, took pics, and sent them to the left wing media, nearly a week ago. Disgusting lies, retweeted by Corbyn himself, and put out on MSM. It will be debunked in National Press on Wed, the Telegraph are investigating, but hopefully by TV before then. The hospital apologised that he had to wait on a chair in a treatment room before going up to the ward, but they did NOT put him on the floor or treat him there. Yep... more labour lies Actually its all true and the hospital acknowledged it and apologised. . The written statement from the hospital is online. That is exactly what they wrote, they apologised for only having a chair available in the treatment room he was moved to. No nurse put him on the floor, his own mother in her own words put him on the floor because he wanted to go to sleep." The attempts to blame the mother of boy are pathetic. Beds should be available in the hospital. | |||
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"This is yet another staged event by Momentum... do you remember the same thing happening when Johnson visited Whipps Cross hospital some months ago....the child was a Momentum members child and it was all staged. Stop believing everything you see on the TV and Facebook. All convenient bullshit to muddy the waters, look at what the parties are stating they are going to do for you and then decide [albeit they all tell lies to get votes - such is the state of our politics]. " Where did you get the information from that states it was staged? And why should I believe them? | |||
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"It was a fake pic stunt pulled by the mother, a labour activist. He was initially put on a bed in paediatric emergency, seen in 20 mins, tests done, but then a more serious case needed the last bed in the unit and he had to wait in chairs to go up to a bed on the ward for overnight obs. The MOTHER put him on the floor, took pics, and sent them to the left wing media, nearly a week ago. Disgusting lies, retweeted by Corbyn himself, and put out on MSM. It will be debunked in National Press on Wed, the Telegraph are investigating, but hopefully by TV before then. The hospital apologised that he had to wait on a chair in a treatment room before going up to the ward, but they did NOT put him on the floor or treat him there. Yep... more labour lies Actually its all true and the hospital acknowledged it and apologised. . The written statement from the hospital is online. That is exactly what they wrote, they apologised for only having a chair available in the treatment room he was moved to. No nurse put him on the floor, his own mother in her own words put him on the floor because he wanted to go to sleep. The attempts to blame the mother of boy are pathetic. Beds should be available in the hospital. " . I agree beds should be available, He had a bed when he first went in, he was diagnosed with flu and tonsillitis, he was put on oxygen and antibiotics, more urgent cases came in as happens at this time of year, they moved him from the bed to a treatment room with chairs, he still had oxygen. His mother decided to put him on the floor as she said he wanted to go to sleep, that's her choice,I don't blame her for it. The framing of this whole incident is typical of the NHS being used as a political battering stick. | |||
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"smells of another labour stunt to me old jez has form of sitting on the floor in trains.But even if its not there are 66 million people in Britain and these things will happen now n then. It's been proven the source that's calling this fake was a few hundred Tory dummy accounts tweeting the same message about knowing the same senior nurse at "Leeds Hospital", you're falling for propaganda because you dislike Labour, it's kind of sad how many are like you." If you are gullible enough to fall for the labour lies that only a few will be paying for labours erratic spending then yes i can see why you believe this stunt by a labour activist. | |||
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". I mean ffs when did the tories last increase the NHS budget in real terms? Promises are lies when they are distortions of the truth. The Tory spending spree is not enough to even keep pace with inflation ie less than is needed ie a shrinking budget. Do the numbers and prove me wrong....if you can without resorting to your usual sources . The NHS budget has increased 11 billion in five years under the Tories, that is inline with inflation." Do you think the NHS has improved over the last 5 years? | |||
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"smells of another labour stunt to me old jez has form of sitting on the floor in trains.But even if its not there are 66 million people in Britain and these things will happen now n then. It's been proven the source that's calling this fake was a few hundred Tory dummy accounts tweeting the same message about knowing the same senior nurse at "Leeds Hospital", you're falling for propaganda because you dislike Labour, it's kind of sad how many are like you.If you are gullible enough to fall for the labour lies that only a few will be paying for labours erratic spending then yes i can see why you believe this stunt by a labour activist." Can I ask why you think it is a stunt? Where did you obtain this information from? | |||
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". I mean ffs when did the tories last increase the NHS budget in real terms? Promises are lies when they are distortions of the truth. The Tory spending spree is not enough to even keep pace with inflation ie less than is needed ie a shrinking budget. Do the numbers and prove me wrong....if you can without resorting to your usual sources . The NHS budget has increased 11 billion in five years under the Tories, that is inline with inflation." . Real terms relates to the extra 1.25 million extra people that became resident in the UK during that five years. | |||
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" You have no idea where that picture came from but are rigid in your beliefs it's true. 2 nurses from the hospital today phoned in to the radio station stating that beds on that day were unavailable but that no nurse in that department would even think about putting that child on the floor,a trolley,a chair, but never the floor, it's basic training. I have more faith in nurses than politicians or even some mothers." And yet we do know the source that's saying this is fake was hundreds of Tory dummy accounts saying the same thing. Doesn't that raise any flags for you? Also funny how you choose to believe nurses now, I can point you in the direction of nurse and NHS staff groups who advocate voting Labour so they can get the proper support they need, but I guess you don't want to believe those ones. | |||
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". I mean ffs when did the tories last increase the NHS budget in real terms? Promises are lies when they are distortions of the truth. The Tory spending spree is not enough to even keep pace with inflation ie less than is needed ie a shrinking budget. Do the numbers and prove me wrong....if you can without resorting to your usual sources . The NHS budget has increased 11 billion in five years under the Tories, that is inline with inflation.. Real terms relates to the extra 1.25 million extra people that became resident in the UK during that five years. " . My mistake it was actually 1.55 million extra people in those five years. | |||
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". I mean ffs when did the tories last increase the NHS budget in real terms? Promises are lies when they are distortions of the truth. The Tory spending spree is not enough to even keep pace with inflation ie less than is needed ie a shrinking budget. Do the numbers and prove me wrong....if you can without resorting to your usual sources . The NHS budget has increased 11 billion in five years under the Tories, that is inline with inflation.. Real terms relates to the extra 1.25 million extra people that became resident in the UK during that five years. . My mistake it was actually 1.55 million extra people in those five years." I know I keep having to ask but, what is your point? | |||
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"It was a fake pic stunt pulled by the mother, a labour activist. He was initially put on a bed in paediatric emergency, seen in 20 mins, tests done, but then a more serious case needed the last bed in the unit and he had to wait in chairs to go up to a bed on the ward for overnight obs. The MOTHER put him on the floor, took pics, and sent them to the left wing media, nearly a week ago. Disgusting lies, retweeted by Corbyn himself, and put out on MSM. It will be debunked in National Press on Wed, the Telegraph are investigating, but hopefully by TV before then. The hospital apologised that he had to wait on a chair in a treatment room before going up to the ward, but they did NOT put him on the floor or treat him there. Yep... more labour lies Actually its all true and the hospital acknowledged it and apologised. . The written statement from the hospital is online. That is exactly what they wrote, they apologised for only having a chair available in the treatment room he was moved to. No nurse put him on the floor, his own mother in her own words put him on the floor because he wanted to go to sleep. The attempts to blame the mother of boy are pathetic. Beds should be available in the hospital. . I agree beds should be available, He had a bed when he first went in, he was diagnosed with flu and tonsillitis, he was put on oxygen and antibiotics, more urgent cases came in as happens at this time of year, they moved him from the bed to a treatment room with chairs, he still had oxygen. His mother decided to put him on the floor as she said he wanted to go to sleep, that's her choice,I don't blame her for it. The framing of this whole incident is typical of the NHS being used as a political battering stick." You write that it was the mother's choice that she put the boy on the floor. What other choice did she have if there was no bed available? Was she supposed to put him on the ceiling? Maybe this boy's mother should apologize to the Tories for her child feeling bad and having to take him to the hospital? And for the fact that there was no bed available for a sick child? | |||
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"It was a fake pic stunt pulled by the mother, a labour activist. He was initially put on a bed in paediatric emergency, seen in 20 mins, tests done, but then a more serious case needed the last bed in the unit and he had to wait in chairs to go up to a bed on the ward for overnight obs. The MOTHER put him on the floor, took pics, and sent them to the left wing media, nearly a week ago. Disgusting lies, retweeted by Corbyn himself, and put out on MSM. It will be debunked in National Press on Wed, the Telegraph are investigating, but hopefully by TV before then. The hospital apologised that he had to wait on a chair in a treatment room before going up to the ward, but they did NOT put him on the floor or treat him there. Yep... more labour lies Actually its all true and the hospital acknowledged it and apologised. . The written statement from the hospital is online. That is exactly what they wrote, they apologised for only having a chair available in the treatment room he was moved to. No nurse put him on the floor, his own mother in her own words put him on the floor because he wanted to go to sleep. The attempts to blame the mother of boy are pathetic. Beds should be available in the hospital. . I agree beds should be available, He had a bed when he first went in, he was diagnosed with flu and tonsillitis, he was put on oxygen and antibiotics, more urgent cases came in as happens at this time of year, they moved him from the bed to a treatment room with chairs, he still had oxygen. His mother decided to put him on the floor as she said he wanted to go to sleep, that's her choice,I don't blame her for it. The framing of this whole incident is typical of the NHS being used as a political battering stick. You write that it was the mother's choice that she put the boy on the floor. What other choice did she have if there was no bed available? Was she supposed to put him on the ceiling? Maybe this boy's mother should apologize to the Tories for her child feeling bad and having to take him to the hospital? And for the fact that there was no bed available for a sick child?" My kids will happily go to sleep sitting in a chair leaning on me or mum. The kids four, not fourteen so not exactly a great lump to have resting on you. No need for them to go on the floor it was mums choice to put them there. S | |||
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"It was a fake pic stunt pulled by the mother, a labour activist. He was initially put on a bed in paediatric emergency, seen in 20 mins, tests done, but then a more serious case needed the last bed in the unit and he had to wait in chairs to go up to a bed on the ward for overnight obs. The MOTHER put him on the floor, took pics, and sent them to the left wing media, nearly a week ago. Disgusting lies, retweeted by Corbyn himself, and put out on MSM. It will be debunked in National Press on Wed, the Telegraph are investigating, but hopefully by TV before then. The hospital apologised that he had to wait on a chair in a treatment room before going up to the ward, but they did NOT put him on the floor or treat him there. Yep... more labour lies Actually its all true and the hospital acknowledged it and apologised. . The written statement from the hospital is online. That is exactly what they wrote, they apologised for only having a chair available in the treatment room he was moved to. No nurse put him on the floor, his own mother in her own words put him on the floor because he wanted to go to sleep. The attempts to blame the mother of boy are pathetic. Beds should be available in the hospital. . I agree beds should be available, He had a bed when he first went in, he was diagnosed with flu and tonsillitis, he was put on oxygen and antibiotics, more urgent cases came in as happens at this time of year, they moved him from the bed to a treatment room with chairs, he still had oxygen. His mother decided to put him on the floor as she said he wanted to go to sleep, that's her choice,I don't blame her for it. The framing of this whole incident is typical of the NHS being used as a political battering stick. You write that it was the mother's choice that she put the boy on the floor. What other choice did she have if there was no bed available? Was she supposed to put him on the ceiling? Maybe this boy's mother should apologize to the Tories for her child feeling bad and having to take him to the hospital? And for the fact that there was no bed available for a sick child?" . Obviously as I already stated a bed was ideal but this time of year is notoriously busy and his bed he was given was required by a more urgent case. His mother could have gone and asked for a trolley while he was waiting for another bed in the treatment room which had chairs but no bed, she could have cradled him but she decided it was just as well he slept on the floor on her coat and her decision seems to have been fine as he was discharged the following day with no harm done. | |||
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"It was a fake pic stunt pulled by the mother, a labour activist. He was initially put on a bed in paediatric emergency, seen in 20 mins, tests done, but then a more serious case needed the last bed in the unit and he had to wait in chairs to go up to a bed on the ward for overnight obs. The MOTHER put him on the floor, took pics, and sent them to the left wing media, nearly a week ago. Disgusting lies, retweeted by Corbyn himself, and put out on MSM. It will be debunked in National Press on Wed, the Telegraph are investigating, but hopefully by TV before then. The hospital apologised that he had to wait on a chair in a treatment room before going up to the ward, but they did NOT put him on the floor or treat him there. Yep... more labour lies Actually its all true and the hospital acknowledged it and apologised. . The written statement from the hospital is online. That is exactly what they wrote, they apologised for only having a chair available in the treatment room he was moved to. No nurse put him on the floor, his own mother in her own words put him on the floor because he wanted to go to sleep. The attempts to blame the mother of boy are pathetic. Beds should be available in the hospital. . I agree beds should be available, He had a bed when he first went in, he was diagnosed with flu and tonsillitis, he was put on oxygen and antibiotics, more urgent cases came in as happens at this time of year, they moved him from the bed to a treatment room with chairs, he still had oxygen. His mother decided to put him on the floor as she said he wanted to go to sleep, that's her choice,I don't blame her for it. The framing of this whole incident is typical of the NHS being used as a political battering stick. You write that it was the mother's choice that she put the boy on the floor. What other choice did she have if there was no bed available? Was she supposed to put him on the ceiling? Maybe this boy's mother should apologize to the Tories for her child feeling bad and having to take him to the hospital? And for the fact that there was no bed available for a sick child? My kids will happily go to sleep sitting in a chair leaning on me or mum. The kids four, not fourteen so not exactly a great lump to have resting on you. No need for them to go on the floor it was mums choice to put them there. S" Ah, so all children are the same?? If your child couldn’t get to sleep in the chair and there were no beds what would you do? | |||
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"It was a fake pic stunt pulled by the mother, a labour activist. He was initially put on a bed in paediatric emergency, seen in 20 mins, tests done, but then a more serious case needed the last bed in the unit and he had to wait in chairs to go up to a bed on the ward for overnight obs. The MOTHER put him on the floor, took pics, and sent them to the left wing media, nearly a week ago. Disgusting lies, retweeted by Corbyn himself, and put out on MSM. It will be debunked in National Press on Wed, the Telegraph are investigating, but hopefully by TV before then. The hospital apologised that he had to wait on a chair in a treatment room before going up to the ward, but they did NOT put him on the floor or treat him there. Yep... more labour lies Actually its all true and the hospital acknowledged it and apologised. . The written statement from the hospital is online. That is exactly what they wrote, they apologised for only having a chair available in the treatment room he was moved to. No nurse put him on the floor, his own mother in her own words put him on the floor because he wanted to go to sleep. The attempts to blame the mother of boy are pathetic. Beds should be available in the hospital. . I agree beds should be available, He had a bed when he first went in, he was diagnosed with flu and tonsillitis, he was put on oxygen and antibiotics, more urgent cases came in as happens at this time of year, they moved him from the bed to a treatment room with chairs, he still had oxygen. His mother decided to put him on the floor as she said he wanted to go to sleep, that's her choice,I don't blame her for it. The framing of this whole incident is typical of the NHS being used as a political battering stick. You write that it was the mother's choice that she put the boy on the floor. What other choice did she have if there was no bed available? Was she supposed to put him on the ceiling? Maybe this boy's mother should apologize to the Tories for her child feeling bad and having to take him to the hospital? And for the fact that there was no bed available for a sick child? My kids will happily go to sleep sitting in a chair leaning on me or mum. The kids four, not fourteen so not exactly a great lump to have resting on you. No need for them to go on the floor it was mums choice to put them there. S Ah, so all children are the same?? If your child couldn’t get to sleep in the chair and there were no beds what would you do? " . I would have asked for a trolley but that's me, she decided to let him sleep on the floor on her coat. | |||
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"It was a fake pic stunt pulled by the mother, a labour activist. He was initially put on a bed in paediatric emergency, seen in 20 mins, tests done, but then a more serious case needed the last bed in the unit and he had to wait in chairs to go up to a bed on the ward for overnight obs. The MOTHER put him on the floor, took pics, and sent them to the left wing media, nearly a week ago. Disgusting lies, retweeted by Corbyn himself, and put out on MSM. It will be debunked in National Press on Wed, the Telegraph are investigating, but hopefully by TV before then. The hospital apologised that he had to wait on a chair in a treatment room before going up to the ward, but they did NOT put him on the floor or treat him there. Yep... more labour lies Actually its all true and the hospital acknowledged it and apologised. . The written statement from the hospital is online. That is exactly what they wrote, they apologised for only having a chair available in the treatment room he was moved to. No nurse put him on the floor, his own mother in her own words put him on the floor because he wanted to go to sleep. The attempts to blame the mother of boy are pathetic. Beds should be available in the hospital. . I agree beds should be available, He had a bed when he first went in, he was diagnosed with flu and tonsillitis, he was put on oxygen and antibiotics, more urgent cases came in as happens at this time of year, they moved him from the bed to a treatment room with chairs, he still had oxygen. His mother decided to put him on the floor as she said he wanted to go to sleep, that's her choice,I don't blame her for it. The framing of this whole incident is typical of the NHS being used as a political battering stick. You write that it was the mother's choice that she put the boy on the floor. What other choice did she have if there was no bed available? Was she supposed to put him on the ceiling? Maybe this boy's mother should apologize to the Tories for her child feeling bad and having to take him to the hospital? And for the fact that there was no bed available for a sick child?. Obviously as I already stated a bed was ideal but this time of year is notoriously busy and his bed he was given was required by a more urgent case. His mother could have gone and asked for a trolley while he was waiting for another bed in the treatment room which had chairs but no bed, she could have cradled him but she decided it was just as well he slept on the floor on her coat and her decision seems to have been fine as he was discharged the following day with no harm done." It is irrelevant if he slept in a chair, the floor , in her arms or a trolley the issue is that there were no beds for a 4 year old boy to sleep in | |||
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"It was a fake pic stunt pulled by the mother, a labour activist. He was initially put on a bed in paediatric emergency, seen in 20 mins, tests done, but then a more serious case needed the last bed in the unit and he had to wait in chairs to go up to a bed on the ward for overnight obs. The MOTHER put him on the floor, took pics, and sent them to the left wing media, nearly a week ago. Disgusting lies, retweeted by Corbyn himself, and put out on MSM. It will be debunked in National Press on Wed, the Telegraph are investigating, but hopefully by TV before then. The hospital apologised that he had to wait on a chair in a treatment room before going up to the ward, but they did NOT put him on the floor or treat him there. Yep... more labour lies Actually its all true and the hospital acknowledged it and apologised. . The written statement from the hospital is online. That is exactly what they wrote, they apologised for only having a chair available in the treatment room he was moved to. No nurse put him on the floor, his own mother in her own words put him on the floor because he wanted to go to sleep. The attempts to blame the mother of boy are pathetic. Beds should be available in the hospital. . I agree beds should be available, He had a bed when he first went in, he was diagnosed with flu and tonsillitis, he was put on oxygen and antibiotics, more urgent cases came in as happens at this time of year, they moved him from the bed to a treatment room with chairs, he still had oxygen. His mother decided to put him on the floor as she said he wanted to go to sleep, that's her choice,I don't blame her for it. The framing of this whole incident is typical of the NHS being used as a political battering stick. You write that it was the mother's choice that she put the boy on the floor. What other choice did she have if there was no bed available? Was she supposed to put him on the ceiling? Maybe this boy's mother should apologize to the Tories for her child feeling bad and having to take him to the hospital? And for the fact that there was no bed available for a sick child? My kids will happily go to sleep sitting in a chair leaning on me or mum. The kids four, not fourteen so not exactly a great lump to have resting on you. No need for them to go on the floor it was mums choice to put them there. S Ah, so all children are the same?? If your child couldn’t get to sleep in the chair and there were no beds what would you do? . I would have asked for a trolley but that's me, she decided to let him sleep on the floor on her coat." Because there were no beds available for a sick 4 year old boy?? | |||
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"It was a fake pic stunt pulled by the mother, a labour activist. He was initially put on a bed in paediatric emergency, seen in 20 mins, tests done, but then a more serious case needed the last bed in the unit and he had to wait in chairs to go up to a bed on the ward for overnight obs. The MOTHER put him on the floor, took pics, and sent them to the left wing media, nearly a week ago. Disgusting lies, retweeted by Corbyn himself, and put out on MSM. It will be debunked in National Press on Wed, the Telegraph are investigating, but hopefully by TV before then. The hospital apologised that he had to wait on a chair in a treatment room before going up to the ward, but they did NOT put him on the floor or treat him there. Yep... more labour lies Actually its all true and the hospital acknowledged it and apologised. . The written statement from the hospital is online. That is exactly what they wrote, they apologised for only having a chair available in the treatment room he was moved to. No nurse put him on the floor, his own mother in her own words put him on the floor because he wanted to go to sleep. The attempts to blame the mother of boy are pathetic. Beds should be available in the hospital. . I agree beds should be available, He had a bed when he first went in, he was diagnosed with flu and tonsillitis, he was put on oxygen and antibiotics, more urgent cases came in as happens at this time of year, they moved him from the bed to a treatment room with chairs, he still had oxygen. His mother decided to put him on the floor as she said he wanted to go to sleep, that's her choice,I don't blame her for it. The framing of this whole incident is typical of the NHS being used as a political battering stick. You write that it was the mother's choice that she put the boy on the floor. What other choice did she have if there was no bed available? Was she supposed to put him on the ceiling? Maybe this boy's mother should apologize to the Tories for her child feeling bad and having to take him to the hospital? And for the fact that there was no bed available for a sick child? My kids will happily go to sleep sitting in a chair leaning on me or mum. The kids four, not fourteen so not exactly a great lump to have resting on you. No need for them to go on the floor it was mums choice to put them there. S Ah, so all children are the same?? If your child couldn’t get to sleep in the chair and there were no beds what would you do? . I would have asked for a trolley but that's me, she decided to let him sleep on the floor on her coat. Because there were no beds available for a sick 4 year old boy?? " . The bed he was given was required for a more urgent case, it gets busy this time of year. I agree though, ideally beds should be available at all times. | |||
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"It was a fake pic stunt pulled by the mother, a labour activist. He was initially put on a bed in paediatric emergency, seen in 20 mins, tests done, but then a more serious case needed the last bed in the unit and he had to wait in chairs to go up to a bed on the ward for overnight obs. The MOTHER put him on the floor, took pics, and sent them to the left wing media, nearly a week ago. Disgusting lies, retweeted by Corbyn himself, and put out on MSM. It will be debunked in National Press on Wed, the Telegraph are investigating, but hopefully by TV before then. The hospital apologised that he had to wait on a chair in a treatment room before going up to the ward, but they did NOT put him on the floor or treat him there. Yep... more labour lies Actually its all true and the hospital acknowledged it and apologised. . The written statement from the hospital is online. That is exactly what they wrote, they apologised for only having a chair available in the treatment room he was moved to. No nurse put him on the floor, his own mother in her own words put him on the floor because he wanted to go to sleep. The attempts to blame the mother of boy are pathetic. Beds should be available in the hospital. . I agree beds should be available, He had a bed when he first went in, he was diagnosed with flu and tonsillitis, he was put on oxygen and antibiotics, more urgent cases came in as happens at this time of year, they moved him from the bed to a treatment room with chairs, he still had oxygen. His mother decided to put him on the floor as she said he wanted to go to sleep, that's her choice,I don't blame her for it. The framing of this whole incident is typical of the NHS being used as a political battering stick. You write that it was the mother's choice that she put the boy on the floor. What other choice did she have if there was no bed available? Was she supposed to put him on the ceiling? Maybe this boy's mother should apologize to the Tories for her child feeling bad and having to take him to the hospital? And for the fact that there was no bed available for a sick child? My kids will happily go to sleep sitting in a chair leaning on me or mum. The kids four, not fourteen so not exactly a great lump to have resting on you. No need for them to go on the floor it was mums choice to put them there. S Ah, so all children are the same?? If your child couldn’t get to sleep in the chair and there were no beds what would you do? . I would have asked for a trolley but that's me, she decided to let him sleep on the floor on her coat. Because there were no beds available for a sick 4 year old boy?? . The bed he was given was required for a more urgent case, it gets busy this time of year. I agree though, ideally beds should be available at all times." Exactly, we agree . Anyway we seem to have been diverted from the main point . Why did Boris refuse to look at the photo and why did he take the reporters phone and put it in his pocket? | |||
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"It was a fake pic stunt pulled by the mother, a labour activist. He was initially put on a bed in paediatric emergency, seen in 20 mins, tests done, but then a more serious case needed the last bed in the unit and he had to wait in chairs to go up to a bed on the ward for overnight obs. The MOTHER put him on the floor, took pics, and sent them to the left wing media, nearly a week ago. Disgusting lies, retweeted by Corbyn himself, and put out on MSM. It will be debunked in National Press on Wed, the Telegraph are investigating, but hopefully by TV before then. The hospital apologised that he had to wait on a chair in a treatment room before going up to the ward, but they did NOT put him on the floor or treat him there. Yep... more labour lies Actually its all true and the hospital acknowledged it and apologised. . The written statement from the hospital is online. That is exactly what they wrote, they apologised for only having a chair available in the treatment room he was moved to. No nurse put him on the floor, his own mother in her own words put him on the floor because he wanted to go to sleep. The attempts to blame the mother of boy are pathetic. Beds should be available in the hospital. . I agree beds should be available, He had a bed when he first went in, he was diagnosed with flu and tonsillitis, he was put on oxygen and antibiotics, more urgent cases came in as happens at this time of year, they moved him from the bed to a treatment room with chairs, he still had oxygen. His mother decided to put him on the floor as she said he wanted to go to sleep, that's her choice,I don't blame her for it. The framing of this whole incident is typical of the NHS being used as a political battering stick. You write that it was the mother's choice that she put the boy on the floor. What other choice did she have if there was no bed available? Was she supposed to put him on the ceiling? Maybe this boy's mother should apologize to the Tories for her child feeling bad and having to take him to the hospital? And for the fact that there was no bed available for a sick child? My kids will happily go to sleep sitting in a chair leaning on me or mum. The kids four, not fourteen so not exactly a great lump to have resting on you. No need for them to go on the floor it was mums choice to put them there. S Ah, so all children are the same?? If your child couldn’t get to sleep in the chair and there were no beds what would you do? " Say suck it up buttercup your in hospital to be treated not at blooming home! But then my kids are used to hospitals as one spent eighteen months backwards & forwards to Grt Ormond St while fighting cancer. The be all & end all though is this. Mum put them on the floor out of choice. They’d been treated & were waiting further results of tests while being treated & a chair was available & they were using it up until little one decides they want a nap. There is no issue, there is no story. Me? I would have stood up, put my coat on the two chairs and let my kid use both & I would have sat on the floor without creating a stink about it. But hey, I don’t have a political axe to grind & I don’t go around looking for photo opportunities to grind it. S | |||
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"It was a fake pic stunt pulled by the mother, a labour activist. He was initially put on a bed in paediatric emergency, seen in 20 mins, tests done, but then a more serious case needed the last bed in the unit and he had to wait in chairs to go up to a bed on the ward for overnight obs. The MOTHER put him on the floor, took pics, and sent them to the left wing media, nearly a week ago. Disgusting lies, retweeted by Corbyn himself, and put out on MSM. It will be debunked in National Press on Wed, the Telegraph are investigating, but hopefully by TV before then. The hospital apologised that he had to wait on a chair in a treatment room before going up to the ward, but they did NOT put him on the floor or treat him there. Yep... more labour lies Actually its all true and the hospital acknowledged it and apologised. . The written statement from the hospital is online. That is exactly what they wrote, they apologised for only having a chair available in the treatment room he was moved to. No nurse put him on the floor, his own mother in her own words put him on the floor because he wanted to go to sleep. The attempts to blame the mother of boy are pathetic. Beds should be available in the hospital. . I agree beds should be available, He had a bed when he first went in, he was diagnosed with flu and tonsillitis, he was put on oxygen and antibiotics, more urgent cases came in as happens at this time of year, they moved him from the bed to a treatment room with chairs, he still had oxygen. His mother decided to put him on the floor as she said he wanted to go to sleep, that's her choice,I don't blame her for it. The framing of this whole incident is typical of the NHS being used as a political battering stick. You write that it was the mother's choice that she put the boy on the floor. What other choice did she have if there was no bed available? Was she supposed to put him on the ceiling? Maybe this boy's mother should apologize to the Tories for her child feeling bad and having to take him to the hospital? And for the fact that there was no bed available for a sick child? My kids will happily go to sleep sitting in a chair leaning on me or mum. The kids four, not fourteen so not exactly a great lump to have resting on you. No need for them to go on the floor it was mums choice to put them there. S Ah, so all children are the same?? If your child couldn’t get to sleep in the chair and there were no beds what would you do? Say suck it up buttercup your in hospital to be treated not at blooming home! But then my kids are used to hospitals as one spent eighteen months backwards & forwards to Grt Ormond St while fighting cancer. The be all & end all though is this. Mum put them on the floor out of choice. They’d been treated & were waiting further results of tests while being treated & a chair was available & they were using it up until little one decides they want a nap. There is no issue, there is no story. Me? I would have stood up, put my coat on the two chairs and let my kid use both & I would have sat on the floor without creating a stink about it. But hey, I don’t have a political axe to grind & I don’t go around looking for photo opportunities to grind it. S" Parents will react in different ways? Just because you are happy with a situation doesn’t make it right ? Anyway , back to the main point. Why did Boris refuse to look at the photo and why did he put the reporters phone in his pocket ? | |||
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"It was a fake pic stunt pulled by the mother, a labour activist. He was initially put on a bed in paediatric emergency, seen in 20 mins, tests done, but then a more serious case needed the last bed in the unit and he had to wait in chairs to go up to a bed on the ward for overnight obs. The MOTHER put him on the floor, took pics, and sent them to the left wing media, nearly a week ago. Disgusting lies, retweeted by Corbyn himself, and put out on MSM. It will be debunked in National Press on Wed, the Telegraph are investigating, but hopefully by TV before then. The hospital apologised that he had to wait on a chair in a treatment room before going up to the ward, but they did NOT put him on the floor or treat him there. Yep... more labour lies Actually its all true and the hospital acknowledged it and apologised. . The written statement from the hospital is online. That is exactly what they wrote, they apologised for only having a chair available in the treatment room he was moved to. No nurse put him on the floor, his own mother in her own words put him on the floor because he wanted to go to sleep. The attempts to blame the mother of boy are pathetic. Beds should be available in the hospital. . I agree beds should be available, He had a bed when he first went in, he was diagnosed with flu and tonsillitis, he was put on oxygen and antibiotics, more urgent cases came in as happens at this time of year, they moved him from the bed to a treatment room with chairs, he still had oxygen. His mother decided to put him on the floor as she said he wanted to go to sleep, that's her choice,I don't blame her for it. The framing of this whole incident is typical of the NHS being used as a political battering stick. You write that it was the mother's choice that she put the boy on the floor. What other choice did she have if there was no bed available? Was she supposed to put him on the ceiling? Maybe this boy's mother should apologize to the Tories for her child feeling bad and having to take him to the hospital? And for the fact that there was no bed available for a sick child? My kids will happily go to sleep sitting in a chair leaning on me or mum. The kids four, not fourteen so not exactly a great lump to have resting on you. No need for them to go on the floor it was mums choice to put them there. S Ah, so all children are the same?? If your child couldn’t get to sleep in the chair and there were no beds what would you do? . I would have asked for a trolley but that's me, she decided to let him sleep on the floor on her coat. Because there were no beds available for a sick 4 year old boy?? . The bed he was given was required for a more urgent case, it gets busy this time of year. I agree though, ideally beds should be available at all times. Exactly, we agree . Anyway we seem to have been diverted from the main point . Why did Boris refuse to look at the photo and why did he take the reporters phone and put it in his pocket? " . Because NO politician wants to be hijacked by a story he knows nothing about while out talking about something completely different but maybe your correct and he's the Beelzebub | |||
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"It was a fake pic stunt pulled by the mother, a labour activist. He was initially put on a bed in paediatric emergency, seen in 20 mins, tests done, but then a more serious case needed the last bed in the unit and he had to wait in chairs to go up to a bed on the ward for overnight obs. The MOTHER put him on the floor, took pics, and sent them to the left wing media, nearly a week ago. Disgusting lies, retweeted by Corbyn himself, and put out on MSM. It will be debunked in National Press on Wed, the Telegraph are investigating, but hopefully by TV before then. The hospital apologised that he had to wait on a chair in a treatment room before going up to the ward, but they did NOT put him on the floor or treat him there. Yep... more labour lies Actually its all true and the hospital acknowledged it and apologised. . The written statement from the hospital is online. That is exactly what they wrote, they apologised for only having a chair available in the treatment room he was moved to. No nurse put him on the floor, his own mother in her own words put him on the floor because he wanted to go to sleep. The attempts to blame the mother of boy are pathetic. Beds should be available in the hospital. . I agree beds should be available, He had a bed when he first went in, he was diagnosed with flu and tonsillitis, he was put on oxygen and antibiotics, more urgent cases came in as happens at this time of year, they moved him from the bed to a treatment room with chairs, he still had oxygen. His mother decided to put him on the floor as she said he wanted to go to sleep, that's her choice,I don't blame her for it. The framing of this whole incident is typical of the NHS being used as a political battering stick. You write that it was the mother's choice that she put the boy on the floor. What other choice did she have if there was no bed available? Was she supposed to put him on the ceiling? Maybe this boy's mother should apologize to the Tories for her child feeling bad and having to take him to the hospital? And for the fact that there was no bed available for a sick child? My kids will happily go to sleep sitting in a chair leaning on me or mum. The kids four, not fourteen so not exactly a great lump to have resting on you. No need for them to go on the floor it was mums choice to put them there. S Ah, so all children are the same?? If your child couldn’t get to sleep in the chair and there were no beds what would you do? Say suck it up buttercup your in hospital to be treated not at blooming home! But then my kids are used to hospitals as one spent eighteen months backwards & forwards to Grt Ormond St while fighting cancer. The be all & end all though is this. Mum put them on the floor out of choice. They’d been treated & were waiting further results of tests while being treated & a chair was available & they were using it up until little one decides they want a nap. There is no issue, there is no story. Me? I would have stood up, put my coat on the two chairs and let my kid use both & I would have sat on the floor without creating a stink about it. But hey, I don’t have a political axe to grind & I don’t go around looking for photo opportunities to grind it. S Parents will react in different ways? Just because you are happy with a situation doesn’t make it right ? Anyway , back to the main point. Why did Boris refuse to look at the photo and why did he put the reporters phone in his pocket ? " Because at that moment he doesn’t knows whether the story is completely fake, true, a partial truth or a complete politically made up fabrication or a mixture of one or two of the above. Oh & I wouldn’t make a good politician because that reporter would have got his phone shoved where the sun don’t shine, & I don’t mean in my picket! S | |||
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"It was a fake pic stunt pulled by the mother, a labour activist. He was initially put on a bed in paediatric emergency, seen in 20 mins, tests done, but then a more serious case needed the last bed in the unit and he had to wait in chairs to go up to a bed on the ward for overnight obs. The MOTHER put him on the floor, took pics, and sent them to the left wing media, nearly a week ago. Disgusting lies, retweeted by Corbyn himself, and put out on MSM. It will be debunked in National Press on Wed, the Telegraph are investigating, but hopefully by TV before then. The hospital apologised that he had to wait on a chair in a treatment room before going up to the ward, but they did NOT put him on the floor or treat him there. Yep... more labour lies Actually its all true and the hospital acknowledged it and apologised. . The written statement from the hospital is online. That is exactly what they wrote, they apologised for only having a chair available in the treatment room he was moved to. No nurse put him on the floor, his own mother in her own words put him on the floor because he wanted to go to sleep. The attempts to blame the mother of boy are pathetic. Beds should be available in the hospital. . I agree beds should be available, He had a bed when he first went in, he was diagnosed with flu and tonsillitis, he was put on oxygen and antibiotics, more urgent cases came in as happens at this time of year, they moved him from the bed to a treatment room with chairs, he still had oxygen. His mother decided to put him on the floor as she said he wanted to go to sleep, that's her choice,I don't blame her for it. The framing of this whole incident is typical of the NHS being used as a political battering stick. You write that it was the mother's choice that she put the boy on the floor. What other choice did she have if there was no bed available? Was she supposed to put him on the ceiling? Maybe this boy's mother should apologize to the Tories for her child feeling bad and having to take him to the hospital? And for the fact that there was no bed available for a sick child? My kids will happily go to sleep sitting in a chair leaning on me or mum. The kids four, not fourteen so not exactly a great lump to have resting on you. No need for them to go on the floor it was mums choice to put them there. S Ah, so all children are the same?? If your child couldn’t get to sleep in the chair and there were no beds what would you do? Say suck it up buttercup your in hospital to be treated not at blooming home! But then my kids are used to hospitals as one spent eighteen months backwards & forwards to Grt Ormond St while fighting cancer. The be all & end all though is this. Mum put them on the floor out of choice. They’d been treated & were waiting further results of tests while being treated & a chair was available & they were using it up until little one decides they want a nap. There is no issue, there is no story. Me? I would have stood up, put my coat on the two chairs and let my kid use both & I would have sat on the floor without creating a stink about it. But hey, I don’t have a political axe to grind & I don’t go around looking for photo opportunities to grind it. S Parents will react in different ways? Just because you are happy with a situation doesn’t make it right ? Anyway , back to the main point. Why did Boris refuse to look at the photo and why did he put the reporters phone in his pocket ? Because at that moment he doesn’t knows whether the story is completely fake, true, a partial truth or a complete politically made up fabrication or a mixture of one or two of the above. Oh & I wouldn’t make a good politician because that reporter would have got his phone shoved where the sun don’t shine, & I don’t mean in my picket! S" So you would have reacted violently to someone showing you a photo? He is the PM, he is supposed to be able to deal with these situations? Even if it was fake his reaction was very poor for a man in his position . Imagine if he has to deal with something more serious? | |||
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"But anyway don't let that distract you from claiming the Tories have cut the NHS budget when they haven't or say they haven't kept up with inflation when they have. The 30 billion funding gap due to an "ageing population and increased immigration" was announced in 2014, the NHS was meant to find 22 billion of savings and the government was going to find the extra 8 billion extra over inflation. A pat on the back for the Conservatives then? No need to increase spending on the NHS then as they have already spent enough ? You keep mentioning the increase in the numbers of immigrants? Why? " . Because that was one of the two parts of the 30 billion projected funding gap, what's wrong with talking about it?, these are costs that need to be met like any other. I think there is a need to increase funding and so do the Tories who are doing that, I believe it's 3% over inflation only we'll have to see if the projected inflation figures prove accurate so I'll refrain from patting them on the back just yet. | |||
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"But anyway don't let that distract you from claiming the Tories have cut the NHS budget when they haven't or say they haven't kept up with inflation when they have. The 30 billion funding gap due to an "ageing population and increased immigration" was announced in 2014, the NHS was meant to find 22 billion of savings and the government was going to find the extra 8 billion extra over inflation. A pat on the back for the Conservatives then? No need to increase spending on the NHS then as they have already spent enough ? You keep mentioning the increase in the numbers of immigrants? Why? " The really horrible thing about this story is the number of people who have jumped straight in saying its a fake and dirty tricks by evil labour and their communist doublespeak. It is the worst kind of denial of truth....or maybe they still believe there are monsters under the bed? The Bodger was caught on the hop and handled himself extremely badly by taking the reporters phone in his own pocket - that confirms what a lot of people think about him which is that he is so busy pushing his own agenda (or possibly just Dominic Cummings puppeteering) that he doesn’t understand why what he did looked like a denial. He panicked in the situation which was why Matt Hancock was sent racing off to Leeds to placate the mess. Then the spinning of the alt right began their filthy work. The reality for any parent is that we have probably all had to let our kids sleep on a floor at some point in their lives but having to do so in a hospital feels wrong - no matter how clean the floor might be. As for Mofi asserting that the tories have put lots of money into the NHS - well you maybe should take a look at what the parties are promising in their manifestos and add those figures up (google might not always be your friend btw) which when looked at closely show that the tories even when their spending spree is added into the equation are still budgeting under the rate of inflation. Also as these 40 new hospitals they are promising are only being provided with seed funding to get the plans drawn up where does the rest of the money come from? Do the figures add up or is it all reliant on investment from private companies who possibly might be based in the USA? I really do wonder if the tail is wagging the dog sometimes! | |||
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"It was a fake pic stunt pulled by the mother, a labour activist. He was initially put on a bed in paediatric emergency, seen in 20 mins, tests done, but then a more serious case needed the last bed in the unit and he had to wait in chairs to go up to a bed on the ward for overnight obs. The MOTHER put him on the floor, took pics, and sent them to the left wing media, nearly a week ago. Disgusting lies, retweeted by Corbyn himself, and put out on MSM. It will be debunked in National Press on Wed, the Telegraph are investigating, but hopefully by TV before then. The hospital apologised that he had to wait on a chair in a treatment room before going up to the ward, but they did NOT put him on the floor or treat him there. Yep... more labour lies Actually its all true and the hospital acknowledged it and apologised. . The written statement from the hospital is online. That is exactly what they wrote, they apologised for only having a chair available in the treatment room he was moved to. No nurse put him on the floor, his own mother in her own words put him on the floor because he wanted to go to sleep. The attempts to blame the mother of boy are pathetic. Beds should be available in the hospital. . I agree beds should be available, He had a bed when he first went in, he was diagnosed with flu and tonsillitis, he was put on oxygen and antibiotics, more urgent cases came in as happens at this time of year, they moved him from the bed to a treatment room with chairs, he still had oxygen. His mother decided to put him on the floor as she said he wanted to go to sleep, that's her choice,I don't blame her for it. The framing of this whole incident is typical of the NHS being used as a political battering stick. You write that it was the mother's choice that she put the boy on the floor. What other choice did she have if there was no bed available? Was she supposed to put him on the ceiling? Maybe this boy's mother should apologize to the Tories for her child feeling bad and having to take him to the hospital? And for the fact that there was no bed available for a sick child? My kids will happily go to sleep sitting in a chair leaning on me or mum. The kids four, not fourteen so not exactly a great lump to have resting on you. No need for them to go on the floor it was mums choice to put them there. S Ah, so all children are the same?? If your child couldn’t get to sleep in the chair and there were no beds what would you do? Say suck it up buttercup your in hospital to be treated not at blooming home! But then my kids are used to hospitals as one spent eighteen months backwards & forwards to Grt Ormond St while fighting cancer. The be all & end all though is this. Mum put them on the floor out of choice. They’d been treated & were waiting further results of tests while being treated & a chair was available & they were using it up until little one decides they want a nap. There is no issue, there is no story. Me? I would have stood up, put my coat on the two chairs and let my kid use both & I would have sat on the floor without creating a stink about it. But hey, I don’t have a political axe to grind & I don’t go around looking for photo opportunities to grind it. S Parents will react in different ways? Just because you are happy with a situation doesn’t make it right ? Anyway , back to the main point. Why did Boris refuse to look at the photo and why did he put the reporters phone in his pocket ? Because at that moment he doesn’t knows whether the story is completely fake, true, a partial truth or a complete politically made up fabrication or a mixture of one or two of the above. Oh & I wouldn’t make a good politician because that reporter would have got his phone shoved where the sun don’t shine, & I don’t mean in my picket! S So you would have reacted violently to someone showing you a photo? He is the PM, he is supposed to be able to deal with these situations? Even if it was fake his reaction was very poor for a man in his position . Imagine if he has to deal with something more serious? " As usual though a longer altercation as not reported, said “Reporter” continually harassed Johnson & kept asking the same question the PM had answered quite correctly by saying the health secretary was making enquiries. The reporter continued to harass hence my comment. You get fed shit by all parties, just depends which flavour of shit you can stomach.... S | |||
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"But anyway don't let that distract you from claiming the Tories have cut the NHS budget when they haven't or say they haven't kept up with inflation when they have. The 30 billion funding gap due to an "ageing population and increased immigration" was announced in 2014, the NHS was meant to find 22 billion of savings and the government was going to find the extra 8 billion extra over inflation. A pat on the back for the Conservatives then? No need to increase spending on the NHS then as they have already spent enough ? You keep mentioning the increase in the numbers of immigrants? Why? . Because that was one of the two parts of the 30 billion projected funding gap, what's wrong with talking about it?, these are costs that need to be met like any other. I think there is a need to increase funding and so do the Tories who are doing that, I believe it's 3% over inflation only we'll have to see if the projected inflation figures prove accurate so I'll refrain from patting them on the back just yet. I see. And do you have any figures that show how much these ‘immigrants ‘ have paid in taxes that had gone to the NHS? " . The tax take on immigration is minimal slightly edging to a very small gain depending on who figures the figures but it ain't 22 billion over five years that's for sure. | |||
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"But anyway don't let that distract you from claiming the Tories have cut the NHS budget when they haven't or say they haven't kept up with inflation when they have. The 30 billion funding gap due to an "ageing population and increased immigration" was announced in 2014, the NHS was meant to find 22 billion of savings and the government was going to find the extra 8 billion extra over inflation. A pat on the back for the Conservatives then? No need to increase spending on the NHS then as they have already spent enough ? You keep mentioning the increase in the numbers of immigrants? Why? . Because that was one of the two parts of the 30 billion projected funding gap, what's wrong with talking about it?, these are costs that need to be met like any other. I think there is a need to increase funding and so do the Tories who are doing that, I believe it's 3% over inflation only we'll have to see if the projected inflation figures prove accurate so I'll refrain from patting them on the back just yet. I see. And do you have any figures that show how much these ‘immigrants ‘ have paid in taxes that had gone to the NHS? . The tax take on immigration is minimal slightly edging to a very small gain depending on who figures the figures but it ain't 22 billion over five years that's for sure." Why is the 22 billion relevant to my question? | |||
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"If the population gain over such a short period was not so great or people did not abuse the nhs maybe there would be beds available." I agree. So where is all this extra tax revenue going that these new people have paid? Would it be fare to say that the majority of immigrants are young ? Say between 21-40? | |||
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"But anyway don't let that distract you from claiming the Tories have cut the NHS budget when they haven't or say they haven't kept up with inflation when they have. The 30 billion funding gap due to an "ageing population and increased immigration" was announced in 2014, the NHS was meant to find 22 billion of savings and the government was going to find the extra 8 billion extra over inflation. A pat on the back for the Conservatives then? No need to increase spending on the NHS then as they have already spent enough ? You keep mentioning the increase in the numbers of immigrants? Why? . Because that was one of the two parts of the 30 billion projected funding gap, what's wrong with talking about it?, these are costs that need to be met like any other. I think there is a need to increase funding and so do the Tories who are doing that, I believe it's 3% over inflation only we'll have to see if the projected inflation figures prove accurate so I'll refrain from patting them on the back just yet. What is good about blaming immigrants for the resulting funding gap in the NHS? Another lie. It's best to blame someone else for the government's failure and a blind nation will believe it. that was the findings of the Nuffield health trust in 2013. The projected funding gap would be 30 billion due to an ageing population and increased immigration. We can blame the old if it makes you feel better " The only one to blame for this is the government. No matter what government. Tories, Labor or the government from Mars. Do you think immigrants came here to go to the GP every day and stay in the hospital for months? Usually bullshit. They pay for the NHS like any others in this country. | |||
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"If the population gain over such a short period was not so great or people did not abuse the nhs maybe there would be beds available. I agree. So where is all this extra tax revenue going that these new people have paid? Would it be fare to say that the majority of immigrants are young ? Say between 21-40? Immigrants pay tax?. WTF?" They do in England, I don’t know if the do in Nothern Ireland , what don’t you ask someone you know ?? | |||
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"Theee is no doubt that the massive increase in population has added to the issues facing the nhs , immigration is ok but this country does not have the basic infrastructure to deal with the volume of people , roads , schools , housing as well as nhs are not able to deal with it." Why not? They create billions of pounds worth of tax revenue? Where is this money going? | |||
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"Theee is no doubt that the massive increase in population has added to the issues facing the nhs , immigration is ok but this country does not have the basic infrastructure to deal with the volume of people , roads , schools , housing as well as nhs are not able to deal with it." It is the job of government - local and national - to forecast demographic changes and plan for it. The UK is rubbish at it, basically. Our leaders cannot see beyond the 5-year cycle of elections and the retention of their power. | |||
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"If the population gain over such a short period was not so great or people did not abuse the nhs maybe there would be beds available. I agree. So where is all this extra tax revenue going that these new people have paid? Would it be fare to say that the majority of immigrants are young ? Say between 21-40? " . Yes that would be fair to say, however that leaves an awful lot over 40 as well. | |||
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"Theee is no doubt that the massive increase in population has added to the issues facing the nhs , immigration is ok but this country does not have the basic infrastructure to deal with the volume of people , roads , schools , housing as well as nhs are not able to deal with it. It is the job of government - local and national - to forecast demographic changes and plan for it. The UK is rubbish at it, basically. Our leaders cannot see beyond the 5-year cycle of elections and the retention of their power. " . Well we only do a census every ten years because changes never used to be that drastic, next one is due in 2021, should be interesting. | |||
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"Theee is no doubt that the massive increase in population has added to the issues facing the nhs , immigration is ok but this country does not have the basic infrastructure to deal with the volume of people , roads , schools , housing as well as nhs are not able to deal with it. Why not? They create billions of pounds worth of tax revenue? Where is this money going? " . Billions in tax revenue? Where are those figures your looking at?. | |||
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"If the population gain over such a short period was not so great or people did not abuse the nhs maybe there would be beds available. I agree. So where is all this extra tax revenue going that these new people have paid? Would it be fare to say that the majority of immigrants are young ? Say between 21-40? . Yes that would be fair to say, however that leaves an awful lot over 40 as well." An awful lot? How many is that? How many British people have left the UK and moved to an EU country?? | |||
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"Theee is no doubt that the massive increase in population has added to the issues facing the nhs , immigration is ok but this country does not have the basic infrastructure to deal with the volume of people , roads , schools , housing as well as nhs are not able to deal with it. Why not? They create billions of pounds worth of tax revenue? Where is this money going? . Billions in tax revenue? Where are those figures your looking at?." Same place you got your figures from | |||
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"Theee is no doubt that the massive increase in population has added to the issues facing the nhs , immigration is ok but this country does not have the basic infrastructure to deal with the volume of people , roads , schools , housing as well as nhs are not able to deal with it. Why not? They create billions of pounds worth of tax revenue? Where is this money going? . Billions in tax revenue? Where are those figures your looking at?." Migrants from the EU contribute £2,300 more to the exchequer each year in net terms than the average adult, the analysis for the government has found. Check on Google | |||
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"Theee is no doubt that the massive increase in population has added to the issues facing the nhs , immigration is ok but this country does not have the basic infrastructure to deal with the volume of people , roads , schools , housing as well as nhs are not able to deal with it. It is the job of government - local and national - to forecast demographic changes and plan for it. The UK is rubbish at it, basically. Our leaders cannot see beyond the 5-year cycle of elections and the retention of their power. . Well we only do a census every ten years because changes never used to be that drastic, next one is due in 2021, should be interesting." Why, we will have ‘Brexit done’ by 2020? | |||
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"I said i would not vote labour whilst corbyn is leader as i do not think he is the right person to lead this country with his ideals . To be called a cunt for saying that maybe shows a lack of vocabulary skills on your part or a certain amountnof ignorance ." I didn’t call anyone a cunt | |||
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"I said i would not vote labour whilst corbyn is leader as i do not think he is the right person to lead this country with his ideals . To be called a cunt for saying that maybe shows a lack of vocabulary skills on your part or a certain amountnof ignorance ." Even his own mps are against him but will only say it when they think the public are not listening so cant blame you mate. | |||
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" . Well we only do a census every ten years because changes never used to be that drastic, next one is due in 2021, should be interesting." A census isn't needed to realise the population is ageing. Longevity factors - save the NHS - mean the oldies will place an increasing demand on the working-age population. In terms of generating revenue to pay for the pensions and NHS treatments of more and more old people, while the capacity of the care sector will be limited by the caps on migration of people to fill the low-paid jobs looking after people like me when I am dribble my tea down my chin. | |||
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" . Well we only do a census every ten years because changes never used to be that drastic, next one is due in 2021, should be interesting. A census isn't needed to realise the population is ageing. Longevity factors - save the NHS - mean the oldies will place an increasing demand on the working-age population. In terms of generating revenue to pay for the pensions and NHS treatments of more and more old people, while the capacity of the care sector will be limited by the caps on migration of people to fill the low-paid jobs looking after people like me when I am dribble my tea down my chin. " no but its needed to see in what areas the demographics are changing and as a side note also handy for tracing your ancestry. | |||
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" . Well we only do a census every ten years because changes never used to be that drastic, next one is due in 2021, should be interesting. A census isn't needed to realise the population is ageing. Longevity factors - save the NHS - mean the oldies will place an increasing demand on the working-age population. In terms of generating revenue to pay for the pensions and NHS treatments of more and more old people, while the capacity of the care sector will be limited by the caps on migration of people to fill the low-paid jobs looking after people like me when I am dribble my tea down my chin. " . Who cares for all the extra immigrants in 30 years when they get old?. Isn't this just the pyramid game, the top few layers get rewarded before the whole lot comes crashing down from the effect of adding a new layer constantly. Doesn't sound very sustainable to me | |||
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"If the population gain over such a short period was not so great or people did not abuse the nhs maybe there would be beds available." Well, your Mr Johnson is on record as saying the NHS should start charging people in order to curb demand for its service. | |||
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"This is not a personal attack on you but not all immigrants come to the to the uk to work and contribute . There are some who just like some people born in the uk who want as much as they can for free and to be allowed to make a career of been on the dole. These are the people we dont want here as we have lots here as it is , i have no problem with people coming here who want to work and contribute in a positive way." Exactly thats why a points based immigration policy is needed im sure the people in the 1/2 dozen car washes around here are neither paying tax or ni. | |||
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"This is not a personal attack on you but not all immigrants come to the to the uk to work and contribute . There are some who just like some people born in the uk who want as much as they can for free and to be allowed to make a career of been on the dole. These are the people we dont want here as we have lots here as it is , i have no problem with people coming here who want to work and contribute in a positive way." Do you think eu immigrants are doing something like that? They have good social support in their countries. | |||
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"This is not a personal attack on you but not all immigrants come to the to the uk to work and contribute . There are some who just like some people born in the uk who want as much as they can for free and to be allowed to make a career of been on the dole. These are the people we dont want here as we have lots here as it is , i have no problem with people coming here who want to work and contribute in a positive way.Exactly thats why a points based immigration policy is needed im sure the people in the 1/2 dozen car washes around here are neither paying tax or ni." And how do you know they are all immigrants? And if they are who will wash your car when they leave ?? | |||
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"This is not a personal attack on you but not all immigrants come to the to the uk to work and contribute . There are some who just like some people born in the uk who want as much as they can for free and to be allowed to make a career of been on the dole. These are the people we dont want here as we have lots here as it is , i have no problem with people coming here who want to work and contribute in a positive way." Why would a person pay the travel costs to leave an EU country and then not work? | |||
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"This is not a personal attack on you but not all immigrants come to the to the uk to work and contribute . There are some who just like some people born in the uk who want as much as they can for free and to be allowed to make a career of been on the dole. These are the people we dont want here as we have lots here as it is , i have no problem with people coming here who want to work and contribute in a positive way.Exactly thats why a points based immigration policy is needed im sure the people in the 1/2 dozen car washes around here are neither paying tax or ni." If so, whose fault is it? Immigrants or the government and a system that let avoids taxes? Do you think native British don't avoid taxes if they can? | |||
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"This is not a personal attack on you but not all immigrants come to the to the uk to work and contribute . There are some who just like some people born in the uk who want as much as they can for free and to be allowed to make a career of been on the dole. These are the people we dont want here as we have lots here as it is , i have no problem with people coming here who want to work and contribute in a positive way. Do you think eu immigrants are doing something like that? They have good social support in their countries." We have in our area eu immigrants who are doing that , lots of romanin familys involved in petty theft and prostitution . If the same level of support was available in their own countries why would the bother to come . I will irraiterate that i have no problem with people coming here to contribute . | |||
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"This is not a personal attack on you but not all immigrants come to the to the uk to work and contribute . There are some who just like some people born in the uk who want as much as they can for free and to be allowed to make a career of been on the dole. These are the people we dont want here as we have lots here as it is , i have no problem with people coming here who want to work and contribute in a positive way." But given that you already know that the rules of Freedom of Movement already stipulate that you need to get a job or have sufficient income/savings to not be a burden on the host nation, what you are saying is that by definition everyone who comes here under freedom of movement contribute in a positive way. Or are you actually trying to point out that the real problem is that our own government do not actually enforce these rules? -Matt | |||
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"This is not a personal attack on you but not all immigrants come to the to the uk to work and contribute . There are some who just like some people born in the uk who want as much as they can for free and to be allowed to make a career of been on the dole. These are the people we dont want here as we have lots here as it is , i have no problem with people coming here who want to work and contribute in a positive way. Why would a person pay the travel costs to leave an EU country and then not work? " Are you saying if you do not work in romania you will be able to live rent free , be given an income every 2 weeks , free school meals and medical care . | |||
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