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"I'd love to hear why somebody wants to vote Tory after watching this." Well I'm not voting Tory anyhow but that's definitely not because of some guy shouting and swearing on YouTube. The biggest problem with the anti-Tory campaign, and especially the Labour campaign, is that it says absolutely nothing to appeal at all to people other than those that were never likely to vote Tory anyhow. | |||
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"What choices ...or the great jc...or a pointless woman. one trick pony who waves her arms about ....if ya Scottish the poison dwarf....choices choices" Well you could always vote for a millionaire ex-commodity broker who takes a wage and a pension from the EU....oh, but wait a minute, he isn’t standing...for tactical reasons rather than because he never gets elected to parliament.  | |||
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"Watched the video... and I’ll still be voting conservatives "In Dundee?? | |||
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"Watched the video... and I’ll still be voting conservatives "Why? Seriously. | |||
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"Watched the video... and I’ll still be voting conservatives
In Dundee?? "Why not Dundee? About 25 to 30% of Scots are Tories. It's too many but it's not the same rate of infection you have in England. As far as voting Tory goes, those who do are beyond help, they have no empathy or conscience. This video, accurate though it is, won't change their minds. If you're undecided about who to vote for, have a right good think, examine your conscience and make sure you do vote on Thursday. It really does matter. | |||
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"I haven't watched the video. Who does the Op suggest we vote for? " Vote for whoever you want. I think it just helps that people know what the Tories have really done as opposed to what they say. | |||
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"Watched the video... and I’ll still be voting conservatives
In Dundee??
Why not Dundee? About 25 to 30% of Scots are Tories. It's too many but it's not the same rate of infection you have in England.
As far as voting Tory goes, those who do are beyond help, they have no empathy or conscience. This video, accurate though it is, won't change their minds.
If you're undecided about who to vote for, have a right good think, examine your conscience and make sure you do vote on Thursday.
It really does matter."I can assure you that the Conservatives will not win in the Dundee constituency | |||
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"I haven't watched the video. Who does the Op suggest we vote for? Vote for whoever you want. I think it just helps that people know what the Tories have really done as opposed to what they say." So OP who you voting for? | |||
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"I haven't watched the video. Who does the Op suggest we vote for? Vote for whoever you want. I think it just helps that people know what the Tories have really done as opposed to what they say. So OP who you voting for?" NOT Tory. But I suspect you could have guessed that.  | |||
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"I haven't watched the video. Who does the Op suggest we vote for? Vote for whoever you want. I think it just helps that people know what the Tories have really done as opposed to what they say." I know what the tories have done so I don't need to watch the video. Didn't they start with "no money left" though? According to a note from the Labour Party in 2010. | |||
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"I haven't watched the video. Who does the Op suggest we vote for? Vote for whoever you want. I think it just helps that people know what the Tories have really done as opposed to what they say. I know what the tories have done so I don't need to watch the video. Didn't they start with "no money left" though? According to a note from the Labour Party in 2010." That old chestnut. The Tories keep pushing the myth that Labour bankrupted the country. There was actually a global recession caused by bankers being greedy arseholes everywhere. | |||
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"I haven't watched the video. Who does the Op suggest we vote for? Vote for whoever you want. I think it just helps that people know what the Tories have really done as opposed to what they say. I know what the tories have done so I don't need to watch the video. Didn't they start with "no money left" though? According to a note from the Labour Party in 2010. That old chestnut. The Tories keep pushing the myth that Labour bankrupted the country. There was actually a global recession caused by bankers being greedy arseholes everywhere. " Not by Labour borrowing record amounts, selling of the Gold reserve, etc etc. Spending it all then having nothing left? I'm quite sure that didn't help matters? | |||
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"I haven't watched the video. Who does the Op suggest we vote for? Vote for whoever you want. I think it just helps that people know what the Tories have really done as opposed to what they say. I know what the tories have done so I don't need to watch the video. Didn't they start with "no money left" though? According to a note from the Labour Party in 2010. That old chestnut. The Tories keep pushing the myth that Labour bankrupted the country. There was actually a global recession caused by bankers being greedy arseholes everywhere. Not by Labour borrowing record amounts, selling of the Gold reserve, etc etc. Spending it all then having nothing left? I'm quite sure that didn't help matters? " Actually, if you are on the right, Gordon Brown was probably one of the best chancellors ever. He managed to bail out the banks to the tune of billions and still keep the country from going through a massive recession (in the style of the wall street crash). I'm not, so I'd have much preferred an "Iceland" style solution. | |||
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"I haven't watched the video. Who does the Op suggest we vote for? Vote for whoever you want. I think it just helps that people know what the Tories have really done as opposed to what they say. I know what the tories have done so I don't need to watch the video. Didn't they start with "no money left" though? According to a note from the Labour Party in 2010. That old chestnut. The Tories keep pushing the myth that Labour bankrupted the country. There was actually a global recession caused by bankers being greedy arseholes everywhere. Not by Labour borrowing record amounts, selling of the Gold reserve, etc etc. Spending it all then having nothing left? I'm quite sure that didn't help matters? "   | |||
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"please consider watching this brief summation of what Johnson and the Tories have done to this country over the past 9 and a bit years. It's by a persona a satirist uses when talking abour the news. Can you honestly think the Tories are a good choice after watching this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjUWX6S8iYU" Johnson has not even been in the commons for nine years.It is like saying Corbyn is labour like Blaire and will take us to war,just as stupid | |||
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"I haven't watched the video. Who does the Op suggest we vote for? Vote for whoever you want. I think it just helps that people know what the Tories have really done as opposed to what they say. I know what the tories have done so I don't need to watch the video. Didn't they start with "no money left" though? According to a note from the Labour Party in 2010." Of course it would not say that it is propaganda | |||
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"I haven't watched the video. Who does the Op suggest we vote for? Vote for whoever you want. I think it just helps that people know what the Tories have really done as opposed to what they say. I know what the tories have done so I don't need to watch the video. Didn't they start with "no money left" though? According to a note from the Labour Party in 2010.Of course it would not say that it is propaganda" Really https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/09/liam-byrne-apology-letter-there-is-no-money-labour-general-election | |||
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"please consider watching this brief summation of what Johnson and the Tories have done to this country over the past 9 and a bit years. It's by a persona a satirist uses when talking abour the news. Can you honestly think the Tories are a good choice after watching this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjUWX6S8iYU" Hi. With unemployment being at at all time low as a result of Conversative policies , it is probably the only party anyone should vote for. Labour plan to wreck the economy , why give them the chance. | |||
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"Watched the video... and I’ll still be voting conservatives
In Dundee??
Why not Dundee? About 25 to 30% of Scots are Tories. It's too many but it's not the same rate of infection you have in England.
As far as voting Tory goes, those who do are beyond help, they have no empathy or conscience. This video, accurate though it is, won't change their minds.
If you're undecided about who to vote for, have a right good think, examine your conscience and make sure you do vote on Thursday.
It really does matter.
I can assure you that the Conservatives will not win in the Dundee constituency "Not really bothered. Conservatives are going to be in power come Friday and il vote for a party who accepts democracy | |||
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"I haven't watched the video. Who does the Op suggest we vote for? Vote for whoever you want. I think it just helps that people know what the Tories have really done as opposed to what they say. I know what the tories have done so I don't need to watch the video. Didn't they start with "no money left" though? According to a note from the Labour Party in 2010. That old chestnut. The Tories keep pushing the myth that Labour bankrupted the country. There was actually a global recession caused by bankers being greedy arseholes everywhere. " But it's not an old chestnut. This is one of the reasons why I won't vote for the current Labour party, along with the others I've mentioned in other threads. They totally refuse to take any responsibility for the problems they helped to create. They were in power and they were responsible for the regulatory regime that allowed the banks to trade the way they did. A lot of people on here and elsewhere talk about the Conservatives trying to avoid ownership of the total mess the country is in after 9 years and a shambles of a brexit policy, they go on ad nauseam about what Thatcher did nearly 30 years, give the LibDems down the banks for going into government, but when it comes to Labour's disasters, and 2007/8 was a disaster brought about by lack of proper regulatory control, suddenly it's all someone else's fault, or this new Old Labour isn't the same as the old New Labour, or it was the bankers or the world or somebody and anybody but definitely not Labour's fault. FFS start taking some responsibility. | |||
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"I haven't watched the video. Who does the Op suggest we vote for? Vote for whoever you want. I think it just helps that people know what the Tories have really done as opposed to what they say. I know what the tories have done so I don't need to watch the video. Didn't they start with "no money left" though? According to a note from the Labour Party in 2010. That old chestnut. The Tories keep pushing the myth that Labour bankrupted the country. There was actually a global recession caused by bankers being greedy arseholes everywhere. But it's not an old chestnut. This is one of the reasons why I won't vote for the current Labour party, along with the others I've mentioned in other threads. They totally refuse to take any responsibility for the problems they helped to create. They were in power and they were responsible for the regulatory regime that allowed the banks to trade the way they did. A lot of people on here and elsewhere talk about the Conservatives trying to avoid ownership of the total mess the country is in after 9 years and a shambles of a brexit policy, they go on ad nauseam about what Thatcher did nearly 30 years, give the LibDems down the banks for going into government, but when it comes to Labour's disasters, and 2007/8 was a disaster brought about by lack of proper regulatory control, suddenly it's all someone else's fault, or this new Old Labour isn't the same as the old New Labour, or it was the bankers or the world or somebody and anybody but definitely not Labour's fault. FFS start taking some responsibility. " | |||
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"I haven't watched the video. Who does the Op suggest we vote for? Vote for whoever you want. I think it just helps that people know what the Tories have really done as opposed to what they say. I know what the tories have done so I don't need to watch the video. Didn't they start with "no money left" though? According to a note from the Labour Party in 2010. That old chestnut. The Tories keep pushing the myth that Labour bankrupted the country. There was actually a global recession caused by bankers being greedy arseholes everywhere. But it's not an old chestnut. This is one of the reasons why I won't vote for the current Labour party, along with the others I've mentioned in other threads. They totally refuse to take any responsibility for the problems they helped to create. They were in power and they were responsible for the regulatory regime that allowed the banks to trade the way they did. A lot of people on here and elsewhere talk about the Conservatives trying to avoid ownership of the total mess the country is in after 9 years and a shambles of a brexit policy, they go on ad nauseam about what Thatcher did nearly 30 years, give the LibDems down the banks for going into government, but when it comes to Labour's disasters, and 2007/8 was a disaster brought about by lack of proper regulatory control, suddenly it's all someone else's fault, or this new Old Labour isn't the same as the old New Labour, or it was the bankers or the world or somebody and anybody but definitely not Labour's fault. FFS start taking some responsibility. "I completely agree, it wasn't Margaret Thatcher or John Major that deregulated the banks. It was GORDON BROWN! Within about a month of coming into power in 1997. | |||
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"I haven't watched the video. Who does the Op suggest we vote for? Vote for whoever you want. I think it just helps that people know what the Tories have really done as opposed to what they say. I know what the tories have done so I don't need to watch the video. Didn't they start with "no money left" though? According to a note from the Labour Party in 2010. That old chestnut. The Tories keep pushing the myth that Labour bankrupted the country. There was actually a global recession caused by bankers being greedy arseholes everywhere. But it's not an old chestnut. This is one of the reasons why I won't vote for the current Labour party, along with the others I've mentioned in other threads. They totally refuse to take any responsibility for the problems they helped to create. They were in power and they were responsible for the regulatory regime that allowed the banks to trade the way they did. A lot of people on here and elsewhere talk about the Conservatives trying to avoid ownership of the total mess the country is in after 9 years and a shambles of a brexit policy, they go on ad nauseam about what Thatcher did nearly 30 years, give the LibDems down the banks for going into government, but when it comes to Labour's disasters, and 2007/8 was a disaster brought about by lack of proper regulatory control, suddenly it's all someone else's fault, or this new Old Labour isn't the same as the old New Labour, or it was the bankers or the world or somebody and anybody but definitely not Labour's fault. FFS start taking some responsibility.
I completely agree, it wasn't Margaret Thatcher or John Major that deregulated the banks. It was GORDON BROWN! Within about a month of coming into power in 1997."Well said | |||
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"I haven't watched the video. Who does the Op suggest we vote for? Vote for whoever you want. I think it just helps that people know what the Tories have really done as opposed to what they say. I know what the tories have done so I don't need to watch the video. Didn't they start with "no money left" though? According to a note from the Labour Party in 2010. That old chestnut. The Tories keep pushing the myth that Labour bankrupted the country. There was actually a global recession caused by bankers being greedy arseholes everywhere. But it's not an old chestnut. This is one of the reasons why I won't vote for the current Labour party, along with the others I've mentioned in other threads. They totally refuse to take any responsibility for the problems they helped to create. They were in power and they were responsible for the regulatory regime that allowed the banks to trade the way they did. A lot of people on here and elsewhere talk about the Conservatives trying to avoid ownership of the total mess the country is in after 9 years and a shambles of a brexit policy, they go on ad nauseam about what Thatcher did nearly 30 years, give the LibDems down the banks for going into government, but when it comes to Labour's disasters, and 2007/8 was a disaster brought about by lack of proper regulatory control, suddenly it's all someone else's fault, or this new Old Labour isn't the same as the old New Labour, or it was the bankers or the world or somebody and anybody but definitely not Labour's fault. FFS start taking some responsibility. " Interesting point really given the boom it brought on - maybe Gordon Brown didn’t understand how deceitful and avaricious the bankers could really be? The gold reserves is always brought up and it was always a mystery why he sold it off. If you like beer and gin though dont forget that he enabled the new brewing revolution by changing the taxation system to favour small local producers - the second best thing he ever did after saving the banking system imho. | |||
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"I haven't watched the video. Who does the Op suggest we vote for? Vote for whoever you want. I think it just helps that people know what the Tories have really done as opposed to what they say. I know what the tories have done so I don't need to watch the video. Didn't they start with "no money left" though? According to a note from the Labour Party in 2010. That old chestnut. The Tories keep pushing the myth that Labour bankrupted the country. There was actually a global recession caused by bankers being greedy arseholes everywhere. But it's not an old chestnut. This is one of the reasons why I won't vote for the current Labour party, along with the others I've mentioned in other threads. They totally refuse to take any responsibility for the problems they helped to create. They were in power and they were responsible for the regulatory regime that allowed the banks to trade the way they did. A lot of people on here and elsewhere talk about the Conservatives trying to avoid ownership of the total mess the country is in after 9 years and a shambles of a brexit policy, they go on ad nauseam about what Thatcher did nearly 30 years, give the LibDems down the banks for going into government, but when it comes to Labour's disasters, and 2007/8 was a disaster brought about by lack of proper regulatory control, suddenly it's all someone else's fault, or this new Old Labour isn't the same as the old New Labour, or it was the bankers or the world or somebody and anybody but definitely not Labour's fault. FFS start taking some responsibility. Interesting point really given the boom it brought on - maybe Gordon Brown didn’t understand how deceitful and avaricious the bankers could really be? The gold reserves is always brought up and it was always a mystery why he sold it off. If you like beer and gin though dont forget that he enabled the new brewing revolution by changing the taxation system to favour small local producers - the second best thing he ever did after saving the banking system imho. "At the time most commentators and financial people thought the banks being deregulated was a good idea. Probably because they knew what they would be able to get away with?? | |||
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"I’m not voting conservative because I like them, I’m voting for them as I despise them least ... there’s no option at this poll that I like. But if I have to make a choice between having my left or right bollock amputated ... I’d rather keep the one that’s not got the weird lump and odd mole on .. " You need them looking at then mate  | |||
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"It’s fine with luck the lumpy useless one will be being removed come Friday ... " If they removed it earlier and replaced it that one might of got my vote. Friday is too late. | |||
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"I haven't watched the video. Who does the Op suggest we vote for? Vote for whoever you want. I think it just helps that people know what the Tories have really done as opposed to what they say. I know what the tories have done so I don't need to watch the video. Didn't they start with "no money left" though? According to a note from the Labour Party in 2010. That old chestnut. The Tories keep pushing the myth that Labour bankrupted the country. There was actually a global recession caused by bankers being greedy arseholes everywhere. But it's not an old chestnut. This is one of the reasons why I won't vote for the current Labour party, along with the others I've mentioned in other threads. They totally refuse to take any responsibility for the problems they helped to create. They were in power and they were responsible for the regulatory regime that allowed the banks to trade the way they did. A lot of people on here and elsewhere talk about the Conservatives trying to avoid ownership of the total mess the country is in after 9 years and a shambles of a brexit policy, they go on ad nauseam about what Thatcher did nearly 30 years, give the LibDems down the banks for going into government, but when it comes to Labour's disasters, and 2007/8 was a disaster brought about by lack of proper regulatory control, suddenly it's all someone else's fault, or this new Old Labour isn't the same as the old New Labour, or it was the bankers or the world or somebody and anybody but definitely not Labour's fault. FFS start taking some responsibility. Interesting point really given the boom it brought on - maybe Gordon Brown didn’t understand how deceitful and avaricious the bankers could really be? The gold reserves is always brought up and it was always a mystery why he sold it off. If you like beer and gin though dont forget that he enabled the new brewing revolution by changing the taxation system to favour small local producers - the second best thing he ever did after saving the banking system imho. "Most bankers are just ordinary people doing an ordinary job. If you are looking for people to blame fit the crisis , it lies firmly with those who took out loans that they could not afford to repay. Instead of blaming bankers , blame is firmly with borrowed who borrowed too much. Despite all this we still see business men blaming the banks for their woes. They appeared to fail to realise that overdrafts are relatable on them and that in many cases companies quoted in the FTSE can already provide the services that they provided. | |||
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"Austerity came from the last Labour government emptying the piggy bank. If you want more of the same, maybe worse, then vote labour and watxch them wreck the economy." Lol. I wonder how many people believe shite like this? 30 seconds on Google would bust this myth. | |||
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"Austerity came from the last Labour government emptying the piggy bank. If you want more of the same, maybe worse, then vote labour and watxch them wreck the economy." Economics goes down anyway. Why do you blame Labor. Blame the Tory idiots for this big mess. Oh wait. Why am I writing this? You won't understand anyway | |||
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"Austerity came from the last Labour government emptying the piggy bank. If you want more of the same, maybe worse, then vote labour and watxch them wreck the economy. Economics goes down anyway. Why do you blame Labor. Blame the Tory idiots for this big mess. Oh wait. Why am I writing this? You won't understand anyway "Wow, it got personal real quick, you must be part of the Momentum rent-a-mob lol | |||
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"Austerity came from the last Labour government emptying the piggy bank. If you want more of the same, maybe worse, then vote labour and watxch them wreck the economy." And in that time, the Tories have borrowed more than all previous Labour governments combined and what have we seen for it? The top 1% have got much richer? More food banks than McDonald's? | |||
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"Austerity came from the last Labour government emptying the piggy bank. If you want more of the same, maybe worse, then vote labour and watxch them wreck the economy. Economics goes down anyway. Why do you blame Labor. Blame the Tory idiots for this big mess. Oh wait. Why am I writing this? You won't understand anyway
Wow, it got personal real quick, you must be part of the Momentum rent-a-mob lol"It's nothing personal. I am only full of admiration for stupidity lol | |||
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"Austerity came from the last Labour government emptying the piggy bank. If you want more of the same, maybe worse, then vote labour and watxch them wreck the economy." Ah yes the thinking mans crumpet pmsl  | |||
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"I haven't watched the video. Who does the Op suggest we vote for? Vote for whoever you want. I think it just helps that people know what the Tories have really done as opposed to what they say. I know what the tories have done so I don't need to watch the video. Didn't they start with "no money left" though? According to a note from the Labour Party in 2010. That old chestnut. The Tories keep pushing the myth that Labour bankrupted the country. There was actually a global recession caused by bankers being greedy arseholes everywhere. But it's not an old chestnut. This is one of the reasons why I won't vote for the current Labour party, along with the others I've mentioned in other threads. They totally refuse to take any responsibility for the problems they helped to create. They were in power and they were responsible for the regulatory regime that allowed the banks to trade the way they did. A lot of people on here and elsewhere talk about the Conservatives trying to avoid ownership of the total mess the country is in after 9 years and a shambles of a brexit policy, they go on ad nauseam about what Thatcher did nearly 30 years, give the LibDems down the banks for going into government, but when it comes to Labour's disasters, and 2007/8 was a disaster brought about by lack of proper regulatory control, suddenly it's all someone else's fault, or this new Old Labour isn't the same as the old New Labour, or it was the bankers or the world or somebody and anybody but definitely not Labour's fault. FFS start taking some responsibility. Interesting point really given the boom it brought on - maybe Gordon Brown didn’t understand how deceitful and avaricious the bankers could really be? The gold reserves is always brought up and it was always a mystery why he sold it off. If you like beer and gin though dont forget that he enabled the new brewing revolution by changing the taxation system to favour small local producers - the second best thing he ever did after saving the banking system imho. Most bankers are just ordinary people doing an ordinary job.
If you are looking for people to blame fit the crisis , it lies firmly with those who took out loans that they could not afford to repay. Instead of blaming bankers , blame is firmly with borrowed who borrowed too much.
Despite all this we still see business men blaming the banks for their woes. They appeared to fail to realise that overdrafts are relatable on them and that in many cases companies quoted in the FTSE can already provide the services that they provided.
"Sorry? A banker with all their experience of the banking system offers a product to someone who is fundamentally a poor risk and who may not be aware of or able to understand the risk implications of what they are signing up to? Come on Pat, your desperation to suck up to the elites you hero worship is quite honestly a bit sad. However you look at it, the people who were selling sub prime mortgages were cavalier if not criminal and the bankers who created the product were abdicating their professional responsibility. You are always so keen to blame the poor for being stupid rather than the rich for screwing them over....a white collar (or should that be pink in the case of so many bankers) crook is still a crook....its just their fingernails are a bit more manicured.  | |||
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"Austerity came from the last Labour government emptying the piggy bank. If you want more of the same, maybe worse, then vote labour and watxch them wreck the economy. Economics goes down anyway. Why do you blame Labor. Blame the Tory idiots for this big mess. Oh wait. Why am I writing this? You won't understand anyway
Wow, it got personal real quick, you must be part of the Momentum rent-a-mob lol
It's nothing personal. I am only full of admiration for stupidity lol"No, its very personal, stupidity is a harsh word. Seeing as we are getting personal, i think stupidity is like insanity, the definition of which is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. Vote in a Labour govt and then complain when the Tories have to sort the mess out after again. | |||
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"Austerity came from the last Labour government emptying the piggy bank. If you want more of the same, maybe worse, then vote labour and watxch them wreck the economy. Economics goes down anyway. Why do you blame Labor. Blame the Tory idiots for this big mess. Oh wait. Why am I writing this? You won't understand anyway
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It's nothing personal. I am only full of admiration for stupidity lol
No, its very personal, stupidity is a harsh word.
Seeing as we are getting personal, i think stupidity is like insanity, the definition of which is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. Vote in a Labour govt and then complain when the Tories have to sort the mess out after again."So you still write about stupidity. Your or mine? | |||
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" No, its very personal, stupidity is a harsh word. Seeing as we are getting personal, i think stupidity is like insanity, the definition of which is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. Vote in a Labour govt and then complain when the Tories have to sort the mess out after again." The last time Labour were in the economy was doing well, the world banking crash was the major thing that caused a recession and that had nothing to do with Labours policies. But sure, let's ignore that and also ignore how debt has tripled under the Tories and yet how the only ones benefitting are the rich. | |||
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"I haven't watched the video. Who does the Op suggest we vote for? Vote for whoever you want. I think it just helps that people know what the Tories have really done as opposed to what they say. I know what the tories have done so I don't need to watch the video. Didn't they start with "no money left" though? According to a note from the Labour Party in 2010. That old chestnut. The Tories keep pushing the myth that Labour bankrupted the country. There was actually a global recession caused by bankers being greedy arseholes everywhere. But it's not an old chestnut. This is one of the reasons why I won't vote for the current Labour party, along with the others I've mentioned in other threads. They totally refuse to take any responsibility for the problems they helped to create. They were in power and they were responsible for the regulatory regime that allowed the banks to trade the way they did. A lot of people on here and elsewhere talk about the Conservatives trying to avoid ownership of the total mess the country is in after 9 years and a shambles of a brexit policy, they go on ad nauseam about what Thatcher did nearly 30 years, give the LibDems down the banks for going into government, but when it comes to Labour's disasters, and 2007/8 was a disaster brought about by lack of proper regulatory control, suddenly it's all someone else's fault, or this new Old Labour isn't the same as the old New Labour, or it was the bankers or the world or somebody and anybody but definitely not Labour's fault. FFS start taking some responsibility. Interesting point really given the boom it brought on - maybe Gordon Brown didn’t understand how deceitful and avaricious the bankers could really be? The gold reserves is always brought up and it was always a mystery why he sold it off. If you like beer and gin though dont forget that he enabled the new brewing revolution by changing the taxation system to favour small local producers - the second best thing he ever did after saving the banking system imho. Most bankers are just ordinary people doing an ordinary job.
If you are looking for people to blame fit the crisis , it lies firmly with those who took out loans that they could not afford to repay. Instead of blaming bankers , blame is firmly with borrowed who borrowed too much.
Despite all this we still see business men blaming the banks for their woes. They appeared to fail to realise that overdrafts are relatable on them and that in many cases companies quoted in the FTSE can already provide the services that they provided.
Sorry? A banker with all their experience of the banking system offers a product to someone who is fundamentally a poor risk and who may not be aware of or able to understand the risk implications of what they are signing up to? Come on Pat, your desperation to suck up to the elites you hero worship is quite honestly a bit sad. However you look at it, the people who were selling sub prime mortgages were cavalier if not criminal and the bankers who created the product were abdicating their professional responsibility. You are always so keen to blame the poor for being stupid rather than the rich for screwing them over....a white collar (or should that be pink in the case of so many bankers) crook is still a crook....its just their fingernails are a bit more manicured. "The bankers simply marketed the products concerned . If you are trying to pass off blame , surely that falls on solicitors who should have explained the terms and conditions of the loans . The reality is that no one could foresee the banking crisis so you can hardly blame the bankers . It is always easy to pass blame after the event with the benefit of hindsight. | |||
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"I haven't watched the video. Who does the Op suggest we vote for? Vote for whoever you want. I think it just helps that people know what the Tories have really done as opposed to what they say. I know what the tories have done so I don't need to watch the video. Didn't they start with "no money left" though? According to a note from the Labour Party in 2010. That old chestnut. The Tories keep pushing the myth that Labour bankrupted the country. There was actually a global recession caused by bankers being greedy arseholes everywhere. But it's not an old chestnut. This is one of the reasons why I won't vote for the current Labour party, along with the others I've mentioned in other threads. They totally refuse to take any responsibility for the problems they helped to create. They were in power and they were responsible for the regulatory regime that allowed the banks to trade the way they did. A lot of people on here and elsewhere talk about the Conservatives trying to avoid ownership of the total mess the country is in after 9 years and a shambles of a brexit policy, they go on ad nauseam about what Thatcher did nearly 30 years, give the LibDems down the banks for going into government, but when it comes to Labour's disasters, and 2007/8 was a disaster brought about by lack of proper regulatory control, suddenly it's all someone else's fault, or this new Old Labour isn't the same as the old New Labour, or it was the bankers or the world or somebody and anybody but definitely not Labour's fault. FFS start taking some responsibility. Interesting point really given the boom it brought on - maybe Gordon Brown didn’t understand how deceitful and avaricious the bankers could really be? The gold reserves is always brought up and it was always a mystery why he sold it off. If you like beer and gin though dont forget that he enabled the new brewing revolution by changing the taxation system to favour small local producers - the second best thing he ever did after saving the banking system imho. Most bankers are just ordinary people doing an ordinary job.
If you are looking for people to blame fit the crisis , it lies firmly with those who took out loans that they could not afford to repay. Instead of blaming bankers , blame is firmly with borrowed who borrowed too much.
Despite all this we still see business men blaming the banks for their woes. They appeared to fail to realise that overdrafts are relatable on them and that in many cases companies quoted in the FTSE can already provide the services that they provided.
Sorry? A banker with all their experience of the banking system offers a product to someone who is fundamentally a poor risk and who may not be aware of or able to understand the risk implications of what they are signing up to? Come on Pat, your desperation to suck up to the elites you hero worship is quite honestly a bit sad. However you look at it, the people who were selling sub prime mortgages were cavalier if not criminal and the bankers who created the product were abdicating their professional responsibility. You are always so keen to blame the poor for being stupid rather than the rich for screwing them over....a white collar (or should that be pink in the case of so many bankers) crook is still a crook....its just their fingernails are a bit more manicured. The bankers simply marketed the products concerned . If you are trying to pass off blame , surely that falls on solicitors who should have explained the terms and conditions of the loans .
The reality is that no one could foresee the banking crisis so you can hardly blame the bankers .
It is always easy to pass blame after the event with the benefit of hindsight. "I never trusted the greedy fuckers and you trying to pass the blame onto solicitors is more of your usual what-aboutery. The banking crisis was a direct result of sub prime mortgages being offered by banks to people who could not afford them. The solicitors responsibilities are to make the transaction legally binding. They were not providing the product - the banks were. Its called cause and effect. Lending money in an unrestricted manner to inflate sales and increase profits for the banks led to RBS massively over stretching itself and having to be bailed out by the taxpayer. Hindsight is good if you learn from past mistakes and acknowledge them - unfortunately some people cant see the wood for the trees Pat  | |||
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" If you are trying to pass off blame , surely that falls on solicitors who should have explained the terms and conditions of the loans . The reality is that no one could foresee the banking crisis so you can hardly blame the bankers . It is always easy to pass blame after the event with the benefit of hindsight. I never trusted the greedy fuckers and you trying to pass the blame onto solicitors is more of your usual what-aboutery. The banking crisis was a direct result of sub prime mortgages being offered by banks to people who could not afford them. The solicitors responsibilities are to make the transaction legally binding. They were not providing the product - the banks were. Its called cause and effect. Lending money in an unrestricted manner to inflate sales and increase profits for the banks led to RBS massively over stretching itself and having to be bailed out by the taxpayer. Hindsight is good if you learn from past mistakes and acknowledge them - unfortunately some people cant see the wood for the trees Pat "Well done for pointing out the obvious to Pat, I read his post but couldn't be arsed pointing out how wrong it was | |||
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"I haven't watched the video. Who does the Op suggest we vote for? Vote for whoever you want. I think it just helps that people know what the Tories have really done as opposed to what they say. I know what the tories have done so I don't need to watch the video. Didn't they start with "no money left" though? According to a note from the Labour Party in 2010. That old chestnut. The Tories keep pushing the myth that Labour bankrupted the country. There was actually a global recession caused by bankers being greedy arseholes everywhere. But it's not an old chestnut. This is one of the reasons why I won't vote for the current Labour party, along with the others I've mentioned in other threads. They totally refuse to take any responsibility for the problems they helped to create. They were in power and they were responsible for the regulatory regime that allowed the banks to trade the way they did. A lot of people on here and elsewhere talk about the Conservatives trying to avoid ownership of the total mess the country is in after 9 years and a shambles of a brexit policy, they go on ad nauseam about what Thatcher did nearly 30 years, give the LibDems down the banks for going into government, but when it comes to Labour's disasters, and 2007/8 was a disaster brought about by lack of proper regulatory control, suddenly it's all someone else's fault, or this new Old Labour isn't the same as the old New Labour, or it was the bankers or the world or somebody and anybody but definitely not Labour's fault. FFS start taking some responsibility. Interesting point really given the boom it brought on - maybe Gordon Brown didn’t understand how deceitful and avaricious the bankers could really be? The gold reserves is always brought up and it was always a mystery why he sold it off. If you like beer and gin though dont forget that he enabled the new brewing revolution by changing the taxation system to favour small local producers - the second best thing he ever did after saving the banking system imho. Most bankers are just ordinary people doing an ordinary job.
If you are looking for people to blame fit the crisis , it lies firmly with those who took out loans that they could not afford to repay. Instead of blaming bankers , blame is firmly with borrowed who borrowed too much.
Despite all this we still see business men blaming the banks for their woes. They appeared to fail to realise that overdrafts are relatable on them and that in many cases companies quoted in the FTSE can already provide the services that they provided.
Sorry? A banker with all their experience of the banking system offers a product to someone who is fundamentally a poor risk and who may not be aware of or able to understand the risk implications of what they are signing up to? Come on Pat, your desperation to suck up to the elites you hero worship is quite honestly a bit sad. However you look at it, the people who were selling sub prime mortgages were cavalier if not criminal and the bankers who created the product were abdicating their professional responsibility. You are always so keen to blame the poor for being stupid rather than the rich for screwing them over....a white collar (or should that be pink in the case of so many bankers) crook is still a crook....its just their fingernails are a bit more manicured. The bankers simply marketed the products concerned . If you are trying to pass off blame , surely that falls on solicitors who should have explained the terms and conditions of the loans .
The reality is that no one could foresee the banking crisis so you can hardly blame the bankers .
It is always easy to pass blame after the event with the benefit of hindsight.
I never trusted the greedy fuckers and you trying to pass the blame onto solicitors is more of your usual what-aboutery. The banking crisis was a direct result of sub prime mortgages being offered by banks to people who could not afford them. The solicitors responsibilities are to make the transaction legally binding. They were not providing the product - the banks were. Its called cause and effect. Lending money in an unrestricted manner to inflate sales and increase profits for the banks led to RBS massively over stretching itself and having to be bailed out by the taxpayer. Hindsight is good if you learn from past mistakes and acknowledge them - unfortunately some people cant see the wood for the trees Pat "Part of the responsibility of solicitors should be to explain the consequences of defaulting on a loan payment. At the time bankers were simply providing a service and plenty of people wanted to take them up on their offers. These were reputable plcs and building societies. The small print of every single loan taken out would have clearly explained the consequences of defaulting. The issue is that when the tide turns it does so very rapidly and it is by then too late to take corrective action. Bankers are no different to any other profession. They are simply providing a service and no one is required to use them. Ultimately the blame can only rely with those who defaulted on their loans. | |||
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"I haven't watched the video. Who does the Op suggest we vote for? Vote for whoever you want. I think it just helps that people know what the Tories have really done as opposed to what they say. I know what the tories have done so I don't need to watch the video. Didn't they start with "no money left" though? According to a note from the Labour Party in 2010. That old chestnut. The Tories keep pushing the myth that Labour bankrupted the country. There was actually a global recession caused by bankers being greedy arseholes everywhere. But it's not an old chestnut. This is one of the reasons why I won't vote for the current Labour party, along with the others I've mentioned in other threads. They totally refuse to take any responsibility for the problems they helped to create. They were in power and they were responsible for the regulatory regime that allowed the banks to trade the way they did. A lot of people on here and elsewhere talk about the Conservatives trying to avoid ownership of the total mess the country is in after 9 years and a shambles of a brexit policy, they go on ad nauseam about what Thatcher did nearly 30 years, give the LibDems down the banks for going into government, but when it comes to Labour's disasters, and 2007/8 was a disaster brought about by lack of proper regulatory control, suddenly it's all someone else's fault, or this new Old Labour isn't the same as the old New Labour, or it was the bankers or the world or somebody and anybody but definitely not Labour's fault. FFS start taking some responsibility. Interesting point really given the boom it brought on - maybe Gordon Brown didn’t understand how deceitful and avaricious the bankers could really be? The gold reserves is always brought up and it was always a mystery why he sold it off. If you like beer and gin though dont forget that he enabled the new brewing revolution by changing the taxation system to favour small local producers - the second best thing he ever did after saving the banking system imho. Most bankers are just ordinary people doing an ordinary job.
If you are looking for people to blame fit the crisis , it lies firmly with those who took out loans that they could not afford to repay. Instead of blaming bankers , blame is firmly with borrowed who borrowed too much.
Despite all this we still see business men blaming the banks for their woes. They appeared to fail to realise that overdrafts are relatable on them and that in many cases companies quoted in the FTSE can already provide the services that they provided.
Sorry? A banker with all their experience of the banking system offers a product to someone who is fundamentally a poor risk and who may not be aware of or able to understand the risk implications of what they are signing up to? Come on Pat, your desperation to suck up to the elites you hero worship is quite honestly a bit sad. However you look at it, the people who were selling sub prime mortgages were cavalier if not criminal and the bankers who created the product were abdicating their professional responsibility. You are always so keen to blame the poor for being stupid rather than the rich for screwing them over....a white collar (or should that be pink in the case of so many bankers) crook is still a crook....its just their fingernails are a bit more manicured. The bankers simply marketed the products concerned . If you are trying to pass off blame , surely that falls on solicitors who should have explained the terms and conditions of the loans .
The reality is that no one could foresee the banking crisis so you can hardly blame the bankers .
It is always easy to pass blame after the event with the benefit of hindsight.
I never trusted the greedy fuckers and you trying to pass the blame onto solicitors is more of your usual what-aboutery. The banking crisis was a direct result of sub prime mortgages being offered by banks to people who could not afford them. The solicitors responsibilities are to make the transaction legally binding. They were not providing the product - the banks were. Its called cause and effect. Lending money in an unrestricted manner to inflate sales and increase profits for the banks led to RBS massively over stretching itself and having to be bailed out by the taxpayer. Hindsight is good if you learn from past mistakes and acknowledge them - unfortunately some people cant see the wood for the trees Pat Part of the responsibility of solicitors should be to explain the consequences of defaulting on a loan payment. At the time bankers were simply providing a service and plenty of people wanted to take them up on their offers. These were reputable plcs and building societies.
The small print of every single loan taken out would have clearly explained the consequences of defaulting.
The issue is that when the tide turns it does so very rapidly and it is by then too late to take corrective action.
Bankers are no different to any other profession. They are simply providing a service and no one is required to use them.
Ultimately the blame can only rely with those who defaulted on their loans. "Of course all those PPI claims should have been directed at Solicitors and not handled by them!? Ffs. Just watch Jonathan Pies You T*be video, Boris has defended the bankers as they are his chums. The blame for the past 10 years is solely on the Tories. Vote for anyone else (not UKIP!) | |||
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"I haven't watched the video. Who does the Op suggest we vote for? Vote for whoever you want. I think it just helps that people know what the Tories have really done as opposed to what they say. I know what the tories have done so I don't need to watch the video. Didn't they start with "no money left" though? According to a note from the Labour Party in 2010. That old chestnut. The Tories keep pushing the myth that Labour bankrupted the country. There was actually a global recession caused by bankers being greedy arseholes everywhere. But it's not an old chestnut. This is one of the reasons why I won't vote for the current Labour party, along with the others I've mentioned in other threads. They totally refuse to take any responsibility for the problems they helped to create. They were in power and they were responsible for the regulatory regime that allowed the banks to trade the way they did. A lot of people on here and elsewhere talk about the Conservatives trying to avoid ownership of the total mess the country is in after 9 years and a shambles of a brexit policy, they go on ad nauseam about what Thatcher did nearly 30 years, give the LibDems down the banks for going into government, but when it comes to Labour's disasters, and 2007/8 was a disaster brought about by lack of proper regulatory control, suddenly it's all someone else's fault, or this new Old Labour isn't the same as the old New Labour, or it was the bankers or the world or somebody and anybody but definitely not Labour's fault. FFS start taking some responsibility. Interesting point really given the boom it brought on - maybe Gordon Brown didn’t understand how deceitful and avaricious the bankers could really be? The gold reserves is always brought up and it was always a mystery why he sold it off. If you like beer and gin though dont forget that he enabled the new brewing revolution by changing the taxation system to favour small local producers - the second best thing he ever did after saving the banking system imho. "I have credited Brown with being instrumental in galvanising world finance in to taking the action necessary to avoid a possible world depression on other threads in the past, and I have also pointed out that, at the time immediately before the crash, the Conservatives were pushing further deregulation of the banking system. But none of that excuses Brown or Labour from being responsible for the regulatory framework that was in place and, because UK is one of the leading financial centres of the world, that inadequate regulatory framework was directly responsible for the banking crisis. Labour has to take responsibility, ownership and be accountable of its mistakes. | |||
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"Austerity came from the last Labour government emptying the piggy bank. If you want more of the same, maybe worse, then vote labour and watxch them wreck the economy. Lol. I wonder how many people believe shite like this? 30 seconds on Google would bust this myth." The plans for austerity were made by Alistair Darling in 2007/8 and Labour went into both the election in 2010 and 2015 with policies of austerity. In fact in 2010 Darling's austerity program was even harder than the program being put forward by the Conservatives. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/mar/25/alistair-darling-cut-deeper-margaret-thatcher | |||
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"Austerity came from the last Labour government emptying the piggy bank. If you want more of the same, maybe worse, then vote labour and watxch them wreck the economy. Economics goes down anyway. Why do you blame Labor. Blame the Tory idiots for this big mess. Oh wait. Why am I writing this? You won't understand anyway "It's not about blame; it's about taking responsibility for decisions being made while in government and being held accountable. Just like we're now trying to do with Johnson. It works both ways. | |||
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"Austerity came from the last Labour government emptying the piggy bank. If you want more of the same, maybe worse, then vote labour and watxch them wreck the economy. Lol. I wonder how many people believe shite like this? 30 seconds on Google would bust this myth. The plans for austerity were made by Alistair Darling in 2007/8 and Labour went into both the election in 2010 and 2015 with policies of austerity. In fact in 2010 Darling's austerity program was even harder than the program being put forward by the Conservatives. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/mar/25/alistair-darling-cut-deeper-margaret-thatcher " Banks will lend you an umbrella when it's sunny. There was and is a stupid contradiction at the heart of lending to governments. You are offered low borrowing rates if you promise to cut spending. Unfortunately having made a global decision to bail out the banking sector, the borrowed money was committed to that. Labour had to look tougher to achieve the same result due to perception. I suspect, but impossible to prove, that they would have opened the taps earlier. On your main point though, the only party that has taken any responsibility for their decisions is the LibDems. What have you learned from that? | |||
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"Austerity came from the last Labour government emptying the piggy bank. If you want more of the same, maybe worse, then vote labour and watxch them wreck the economy. Lol. I wonder how many people believe shite like this? 30 seconds on Google would bust this myth. The plans for austerity were made by Alistair Darling in 2007/8 and Labour went into both the election in 2010 and 2015 with policies of austerity. In fact in 2010 Darling's austerity program was even harder than the program being put forward by the Conservatives. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/mar/25/alistair-darling-cut-deeper-margaret-thatcher Banks will lend you an umbrella when it's sunny. There was and is a stupid contradiction at the heart of lending to governments. You are offered low borrowing rates if you promise to cut spending. Unfortunately having made a global decision to bail out the banking sector, the borrowed money was committed to that. Labour had to look tougher to achieve the same result due to perception. I suspect, but impossible to prove, that they would have opened the taps earlier. On your main point though, the only party that has taken any responsibility for their decisions is the LibDems. What have you learned from that?" An umbrella when its sunny is just a parasol. | |||
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"Austerity came from the last Labour government emptying the piggy bank. If you want more of the same, maybe worse, then vote labour and watxch them wreck the economy. Lol. I wonder how many people believe shite like this? 30 seconds on Google would bust this myth. The plans for austerity were made by Alistair Darling in 2007/8 and Labour went into both the election in 2010 and 2015 with policies of austerity. In fact in 2010 Darling's austerity program was even harder than the program being put forward by the Conservatives. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/mar/25/alistair-darling-cut-deeper-margaret-thatcher " It means Alistair Darling at long last learnt how to run an economy LOL when it's borrowed too much. I keep saying it's a shame labour didn't win in 2010. It would have been fun seeing how they dealt with the crisis. Bit like most normal left of centre governments would be my guess. Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it. | |||
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"Austerity came from the last Labour government emptying the piggy bank. If you want more of the same, maybe worse, then vote labour and watxch them wreck the economy." I dont know why I'm always surprised people still believe this tripe. It was a global financial crash, not a UK financial crash and as much credit as you try and give labour for that, it really doesn't change the fact that the problems started in the US banks. | |||
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Funny how the Tories never seemed to get any stick over the £9,000 tuition fees but the Libdems did. The Tories were the ones who came up with it! They then used it to destroy the Alternative Vote referendum (punish Clegg!) which threatened the status quo, and used it to jettison the Libdems and enjoy less accountability from 2015. | |||
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What sort of idiot voting against your own interests are you?
12th December 2019
ARE you planning to vote for an election candidate whose stated policy is to screw you over? Check to see if you’re one of the following idiots.
Completely illogical idiot
Reason will not be influencing your decision. Do local seagulls get on your nerves? Are lamb chops annoyingly expensive these days? Vote Tory or Brexit party in a totally random act of protest.
You believe bad things only happen to other people
Your view is basically that you don’t get ill very often, and even then it’s usually just a cold, so the NHS doesn’t really matter. Luckily your magical immunity to bad things also extends to Brexit, so it will only be other losers heading for the Job Centre.
You like Labour’s policies but can’t abide Corbyn
Not being in love with The Bearded One is totally understandable, but maybe it’s worth gritting your teeth and giving his policies a shot? It’s like a medieval peasant saying: “I fully support Robin Hood’s redistributive taxation policies but I don’t like his beard, all that showing off with a bow or his fancy metropolitan elite green tights.”
Boris is your mate
Alexander de Pfeffel Johnson is not your mate, even if he waved at you vaguely from 50 yards away during an election walkabout. If you were his mate, he’d be on the phone helping you duff up a journalist who’s upset you.
You use the opposite of common sense
Is your main concern your crummy local bus service? Obviously you should vote for a party that’s shown precisely zero interest in local services. The Brexit Party is ideal because they don’t have policies on anything. | |||
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"please consider watching this brief summation of what Johnson and the Tories have done to this country over the past 9 and a bit years. It's by a persona a satirist uses when talking abour the news. Can you honestly think the Tories are a good choice after watching this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjUWX6S8iYU" Of course they are, they are offering brexshit after all | |||
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