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"From an article to day in the national press . It is interesting to see that not only did Jeremy Corbyn find housing for a known terrorist , he also arranged funding for a project in order to give the terrorist concerned employment . The project created two full time positions , one was given to a convicted terrorist just released from prison for manufacturing bomb making equipment , the other to another terrorist whose wife was involved in assisting prisoners to escape from the maze prison , Any decent person would find the eagerness with which Corbyn mixes with terrorists alarming . Just thirteen days after an attack which killed five Conservative delegates , Corbyn invited two convicted terrorists into the House of Commons . Challenged by a newspaper about the visit , Corbyn at first denied it . But when weeks later this lie was exposed and the story confirmed , he was unapologetic saying “ I would be prepared to meet “ Corbyn remains close friends with the identified terrorist and in 2009 they travelled together to Gaza " Not this shite agsin!! How about the tory elites give tax cuts to the elites (not you) filling offshore bank accounts while mugs like you vote for them? | |||
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"From an article to day in the national press . It is interesting to see that not only did Jeremy Corbyn find housing for a known terrorist , he also arranged funding for a project in order to give the terrorist concerned employment . The project created two full time positions , one was given to a convicted terrorist just released from prison for manufacturing bomb making equipment , the other to another terrorist whose wife was involved in assisting prisoners to escape from the maze prison , Any decent person would find the eagerness with which Corbyn mixes with terrorists alarming . Just thirteen days after an attack which killed five Conservative delegates , Corbyn invited two convicted terrorists into the House of Commons . Challenged by a newspaper about the visit , Corbyn at first denied it . But when weeks later this lie was exposed and the story confirmed , he was unapologetic saying “ I would be prepared to meet “ Corbyn remains close friends with the identified terrorist and in 2009 they travelled together to Gaza Not this shite agsin!! How about the tory elites give tax cuts to the elites (not you) filling offshore bank accounts while mugs like you vote for them? " They say there's one born every minute...  | |||
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"Why is this "news"? If every aspect of this article happened in the past and has already been covered. National Press. Or the daily propaganda machine?" Maybe because he is in the running to lead this country and a lot of young voters know nothing of his past associations. | |||
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"Why is this "news"? If every aspect of this article happened in the past and has already been covered. National Press. Or the daily propaganda machine?Maybe because he is in the running to lead this country and a lot of young voters know nothing of his past associations." I don't think Jeremy Corbyn knows about half of them either. | |||
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"From an article to day in the national press . It is interesting to see that not only did Jeremy Corbyn find housing for a known terrorist , he also arranged funding for a project in order to give the terrorist concerned employment . The project created two full time positions , one was given to a convicted terrorist just released from prison for manufacturing bomb making equipment , the other to another terrorist whose wife was involved in assisting prisoners to escape from the maze prison , Any decent person would find the eagerness with which Corbyn mixes with terrorists alarming . Just thirteen days after an attack which killed five Conservative delegates , Corbyn invited two convicted terrorists into the House of Commons . Challenged by a newspaper about the visit , Corbyn at first denied it . But when weeks later this lie was exposed and the story confirmed , he was unapologetic saying “ I would be prepared to meet “ Corbyn remains close friends with the identified terrorist and in 2009 they travelled together to Gaza " Most people need a job though  | |||
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"I have to say fair play to the OP, who continues with this rhubarb no matter what. The sheer inability to understand that he's just repeating the same old same old propaganda is outstanding. Imagine if you put this level of determination into something good. Think of what you could achieve in life." I think you should look at the definition of propaganda.  | |||
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"When I first learned of these so called ties to terrorism I went online to try and get to the truth. On the first fact check he did in fact meet the person involved. Two days later that same person was in 10 downing street. It occurs to me that no matter who is charge of labour there would be a smear campaign against that person. It says a lot that Boris Johnson is such a piece of work that a man has to be made out to be a terrorist to be made to look worse. It amazes me that so close to an election people still can't spot stories orchestrated by people with political agendas. " I do wonder if it's a Tory strategy to spew so much bullshit that anything said by anybody is then discounted. | |||
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"Do people like the OP still call Mr Mandela a convicted terrorist?" He's probably never heard of Mandela. | |||
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"I have to say fair play to the OP, who continues with this rhubarb no matter what. The sheer inability to understand that he's just repeating the same old same old propaganda is outstanding. Imagine if you put this level of determination into something good. Think of what you could achieve in life." To be fair this could be said for most of the regular posters in the politics forum. You all have your entrenched positions and you all bang your same old drums, every day, different threads but same bile on every side. You are all preaching to either those on your side or to those that will never be shifted. If you all left this little fab bubble and actually spoke to other people, in a reasonable manner, then maybe you could advance your cause. Whatever it may be. | |||
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"I have to say fair play to the OP, who continues with this rhubarb no matter what. The sheer inability to understand that he's just repeating the same old same old propaganda is outstanding. Imagine if you put this level of determination into something good. Think of what you could achieve in life. To be fair this could be said for most of the regular posters in the politics forum. You all have your entrenched positions and you all bang your same old drums, every day, different threads but same bile on every side. You are all preaching to either those on your side or to those that will never be shifted. If you all left this little fab bubble and actually spoke to other people, in a reasonable manner, then maybe you could advance your cause. Whatever it may be." My only cause on here is laughing at craziness. | |||
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"From an article to day in the national press . It is interesting to see that not only did Jeremy Corbyn find housing for a known terrorist , he also arranged funding for a project in order to give the terrorist concerned employment . The project created two full time positions , one was given to a convicted terrorist just released from prison for manufacturing bomb making equipment , the other to another terrorist whose wife was involved in assisting prisoners to escape from the maze prison , Any decent person would find the eagerness with which Corbyn mixes with terrorists alarming . Just thirteen days after an attack which killed five Conservative delegates , Corbyn invited two convicted terrorists into the House of Commons . Challenged by a newspaper about the visit , Corbyn at first denied it . But when weeks later this lie was exposed and the story confirmed , he was unapologetic saying “ I would be prepared to meet “ Corbyn remains close friends with the identified terrorist and in 2009 they travelled together to Gaza " Stop being stupid. | |||
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"From an article to day in the national press . It is interesting to see that not only did Jeremy Corbyn find housing for a known terrorist , he also arranged funding for a project in order to give the terrorist concerned employment . The project created two full time positions , one was given to a convicted terrorist just released from prison for manufacturing bomb making equipment , the other to another terrorist whose wife was involved in assisting prisoners to escape from the maze prison , Any decent person would find the eagerness with which Corbyn mixes with terrorists alarming . Just thirteen days after an attack which killed five Conservative delegates , Corbyn invited two convicted terrorists into the House of Commons . Challenged by a newspaper about the visit , Corbyn at first denied it . But when weeks later this lie was exposed and the story confirmed , he was unapologetic saying “ I would be prepared to meet “ Corbyn remains close friends with the identified terrorist and in 2009 they travelled together to Gaza Stop being stupid."  | |||
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"From an article to day in the national press . It is interesting to see that not only did Jeremy Corbyn find housing for a known terrorist , he also arranged funding for a project in order to give the terrorist concerned employment . The project created two full time positions , one was given to a convicted terrorist just released from prison for manufacturing bomb making equipment , the other to another terrorist whose wife was involved in assisting prisoners to escape from the maze prison , Any decent person would find the eagerness with which Corbyn mixes with terrorists alarming . Just thirteen days after an attack which killed five Conservative delegates , Corbyn invited two convicted terrorists into the House of Commons . Challenged by a newspaper about the visit , Corbyn at first denied it . But when weeks later this lie was exposed and the story confirmed , he was unapologetic saying “ I would be prepared to meet “ Corbyn remains close friends with the identified terrorist and in 2009 they travelled together to Gaza Stop being stupid." Hi. Surely you want loads of people to be stupid as it makes you clever. Or have I missed something. | |||
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"From an article to day in the national press . It is interesting to see that not only did Jeremy Corbyn find housing for a known terrorist , he also arranged funding for a project in order to give the terrorist concerned employment . The project created two full time positions , one was given to a convicted terrorist just released from prison for manufacturing bomb making equipment , the other to another terrorist whose wife was involved in assisting prisoners to escape from the maze prison , Any decent person would find the eagerness with which Corbyn mixes with terrorists alarming . Just thirteen days after an attack which killed five Conservative delegates , Corbyn invited two convicted terrorists into the House of Commons . Challenged by a newspaper about the visit , Corbyn at first denied it . But when weeks later this lie was exposed and the story confirmed , he was unapologetic saying “ I would be prepared to meet “ Corbyn remains close friends with the identified terrorist and in 2009 they travelled together to Gaza " And so you call me a terrorist While you look down your gun When I think of all the deeds that you have done, You have plundered many nations Divided many lands You have terrorized their people You ruled with an iron hand. And you brought this reign of terror to my land. | |||
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"From an article to day in the national press . It is interesting to see that not only did Jeremy Corbyn find housing for a known terrorist , he also arranged funding for a project in order to give the terrorist concerned employment . The project created two full time positions , one was given to a convicted terrorist just released from prison for manufacturing bomb making equipment , the other to another terrorist whose wife was involved in assisting prisoners to escape from the maze prison , Any decent person would find the eagerness with which Corbyn mixes with terrorists alarming . Just thirteen days after an attack which killed five Conservative delegates , Corbyn invited two convicted terrorists into the House of Commons . Challenged by a newspaper about the visit , Corbyn at first denied it . But when weeks later this lie was exposed and the story confirmed , he was unapologetic saying “ I would be prepared to meet “ Corbyn remains close friends with the identified terrorist and in 2009 they travelled together to Gaza Stop being stupid. Hi. Surely you want loads of people to be stupid as it makes you clever. Or have I missed something. " Judging by your post fella it’s easy to spot you’ve managed to miss quite a lot! Including actual facts. | |||
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"From an article to day in the national press . It is interesting to see that not only did Jeremy Corbyn find housing for a known terrorist , he also arranged funding for a project in order to give the terrorist concerned employment . The project created two full time positions , one was given to a convicted terrorist just released from prison for manufacturing bomb making equipment , the other to another terrorist whose wife was involved in assisting prisoners to escape from the maze prison , Any decent person would find the eagerness with which Corbyn mixes with terrorists alarming . Just thirteen days after an attack which killed five Conservative delegates , Corbyn invited two convicted terrorists into the House of Commons . Challenged by a newspaper about the visit , Corbyn at first denied it . But when weeks later this lie was exposed and the story confirmed , he was unapologetic saying “ I would be prepared to meet “ Corbyn remains close friends with the identified terrorist and in 2009 they travelled together to Gaza Stop being stupid. Hi. Surely you want loads of people to be stupid as it makes you clever. Or have I missed something. " Any decent person would not be peddling the dreadful imbecilic nonsense that your national paper says is true - they would use their cognitive ability to the full and consider why the source of their gibberish was biased and whether repeating lies and propaganda was a decent thing to do Pat | |||
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"From an article to day in the national press . It is interesting to see that not only did Jeremy Corbyn find housing for a known terrorist , he also arranged funding for a project in order to give the terrorist concerned employment . The project created two full time positions , one was given to a convicted terrorist just released from prison for manufacturing bomb making equipment , the other to another terrorist whose wife was involved in assisting prisoners to escape from the maze prison , Any decent person would find the eagerness with which Corbyn mixes with terrorists alarming . Just thirteen days after an attack which killed five Conservative delegates , Corbyn invited two convicted terrorists into the House of Commons . Challenged by a newspaper about the visit , Corbyn at first denied it . But when weeks later this lie was exposed and the story confirmed , he was unapologetic saying “ I would be prepared to meet “ Corbyn remains close friends with the identified terrorist and in 2009 they travelled together to Gaza Stop being stupid. Hi. Surely you want loads of people to be stupid as it makes you clever. Or have I missed something. Any decent person would not be peddling the dreadful imbecilic nonsense that your national paper says is true - they would use their cognitive ability to the full and consider why the source of their gibberish was biased and whether repeating lies and propaganda was a decent thing to do Pat "Hi. Whilst you are entitled to express an opinion out in the real world I have the choice of accepting either your opinion or the facts as scheduled in the newspaper concerned. Whilst the press are subject to rigorous reporting standards , you can post anything that you like on these forums regardless of its validity. The fact that in excess of 1.1 million people are prepared to purchase the newspaper concerned on a daily basis is more than good enough for me to accept its creditability. Any keyboard warrior can make a post on these forums , at least with newspapers you have to go out and make the effort to purchase. You may even be able to extract interesting information from your newsagent . I purchase newspapers in a number of different locations in the UK. One actually knows John Mc Donnell. | |||
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"From an article to day in the national press . It is interesting to see that not only did Jeremy Corbyn find housing for a known terrorist , he also arranged funding for a project in order to give the terrorist concerned employment . The project created two full time positions , one was given to a convicted terrorist just released from prison for manufacturing bomb making equipment , the other to another terrorist whose wife was involved in assisting prisoners to escape from the maze prison , Any decent person would find the eagerness with which Corbyn mixes with terrorists alarming . Just thirteen days after an attack which killed five Conservative delegates , Corbyn invited two convicted terrorists into the House of Commons . Challenged by a newspaper about the visit , Corbyn at first denied it . But when weeks later this lie was exposed and the story confirmed , he was unapologetic saying “ I would be prepared to meet “ Corbyn remains close friends with the identified terrorist and in 2009 they travelled together to Gaza And so you call me a terrorist While you look down your gun When I think of all the deeds that you have done, You have plundered many nations Divided many lands You have terrorized their people You ruled with an iron hand. And you brought this reign of terror to my land. " There is a difference between violent state craft, imperialism for example and the Israeli occupation of Gaza. And the deliberate targeting of non- combatant women and children by a terrorist. For Boris, (and it pains me to say this) to be in the same league as Corbyn, he'd have to shake hands with Brenton Tarrant, buy his book, leave a good review, then invite him round for dinner. Before giving him a tour of the new Zealand house of parliament. Then take £5k from him. | |||
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"From an article to day in the national press . It is interesting to see that not only did Jeremy Corbyn find housing for a known terrorist , he also arranged funding for a project in order to give the terrorist concerned employment . The project created two full time positions , one was given to a convicted terrorist just released from prison for manufacturing bomb making equipment , the other to another terrorist whose wife was involved in assisting prisoners to escape from the maze prison , Any decent person would find the eagerness with which Corbyn mixes with terrorists alarming . Just thirteen days after an attack which killed five Conservative delegates , Corbyn invited two convicted terrorists into the House of Commons . Challenged by a newspaper about the visit , Corbyn at first denied it . But when weeks later this lie was exposed and the story confirmed , he was unapologetic saying “ I would be prepared to meet “ Corbyn remains close friends with the identified terrorist and in 2009 they travelled together to Gaza And so you call me a terrorist While you look down your gun When I think of all the deeds that you have done, You have plundered many nations Divided many lands You have terrorized their people You ruled with an iron hand. And you brought this reign of terror to my land. There is a difference between violent state craft, imperialism for example and the Israeli occupation of Gaza. And the deliberate targeting of non- combatant women and children by a terrorist. For Boris, (and it pains me to say this) to be in the same league as Corbyn, he'd have to shake hands with Brenton Tarrant, buy his book, leave a good review, then invite him round for dinner. Before giving him a tour of the new Zealand house of parliament. Then take £5k from him. " Well its an interesting point but my argument has always been that Boris is not up to the job because he is a habitual liar whereas Corbyn has always engaged with people who are either close to or on the wrong side of the law. I dont think that makes him evil as most of the neo con alt right would have you believe and the self serving propaganda they are pushing out reminds me of the Macarthy era whose anti communist terror led to hundreds of intelligent and thoughtful people having their careers blighted or being forced to leave the country and in some cases being sentenced to death. The perception that Corbyn is the equivalent of Stalin or Mao is so ludicrous that only the genuinely thick or deliberately venomous would buy into it. He isn’t my favourite person but at least he isnt a fat lying braggard whose sole intention is to make this country great by making a free for all for the uber wealthy while proposing to spend money in a bonanza that when looked at with a calculated eye doesnt even bring investment back to pre austerity levels while ignoring the fact that with inflation the investment is still less than is necessary for say the NHS to stand still. Its utter lies and deceit and some of the donkeys on this forum are either incapable of understanding that or really are so up their own selves that they couldn’t actually give a flying one about the implications of a Tory win. Sorry for the rant Clem....it wasnt aimed at you.... I enjoy your posts  | |||
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"From an article to day in the national press . It is interesting to see that not only did Jeremy Corbyn find housing for a known terrorist , he also arranged funding for a project in order to give the terrorist concerned employment . The project created two full time positions , one was given to a convicted terrorist just released from prison for manufacturing bomb making equipment , the other to another terrorist whose wife was involved in assisting prisoners to escape from the maze prison , Any decent person would find the eagerness with which Corbyn mixes with terrorists alarming . Just thirteen days after an attack which killed five Conservative delegates , Corbyn invited two convicted terrorists into the House of Commons . Challenged by a newspaper about the visit , Corbyn at first denied it . But when weeks later this lie was exposed and the story confirmed , he was unapologetic saying “ I would be prepared to meet “ Corbyn remains close friends with the identified terrorist and in 2009 they travelled together to Gaza And so you call me a terrorist While you look down your gun When I think of all the deeds that you have done, You have plundered many nations Divided many lands You have terrorized their people You ruled with an iron hand. And you brought this reign of terror to my land. There is a difference between violent state craft, imperialism for example and the Israeli occupation of Gaza. And the deliberate targeting of non- combatant women and children by a terrorist. For Boris, (and it pains me to say this) to be in the same league as Corbyn, he'd have to shake hands with Brenton Tarrant, buy his book, leave a good review, then invite him round for dinner. Before giving him a tour of the new Zealand house of parliament. Then take £5k from him. Well its an interesting point but my argument has always been that Boris is not up to the job because he is a habitual liar whereas Corbyn has always engaged with people who are either close to or on the wrong side of the law. I dont think that makes him evil as most of the neo con alt right would have you believe and the self serving propaganda they are pushing out reminds me of the Macarthy era whose anti communist terror led to hundreds of intelligent and thoughtful people having their careers blighted or being forced to leave the country and in some cases being sentenced to death. The perception that Corbyn is the equivalent of Stalin or Mao is so ludicrous that only the genuinely thick or deliberately venomous would buy into it. He isn’t my favourite person but at least he isnt a fat lying braggard whose sole intention is to make this country great by making a free for all for the uber wealthy while proposing to spend money in a bonanza that when looked at with a calculated eye doesnt even bring investment back to pre austerity levels while ignoring the fact that with inflation the investment is still less than is necessary for say the NHS to stand still. Its utter lies and deceit and some of the donkeys on this forum are either incapable of understanding that or really are so up their own selves that they couldn’t actually give a flying one about the implications of a Tory win. Sorry for the rant Clem....it wasnt aimed at you.... I enjoy your posts " | |||
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"From an article to day in the national press . It is interesting to see that not only did Jeremy Corbyn find housing for a known terrorist , he also arranged funding for a project in order to give the terrorist concerned employment . The project created two full time positions , one was given to a convicted terrorist just released from prison for manufacturing bomb making equipment , the other to another terrorist whose wife was involved in assisting prisoners to escape from the maze prison , Any decent person would find the eagerness with which Corbyn mixes with terrorists alarming . Just thirteen days after an attack which killed five Conservative delegates , Corbyn invited two convicted terrorists into the House of Commons . Challenged by a newspaper about the visit , Corbyn at first denied it . But when weeks later this lie was exposed and the story confirmed , he was unapologetic saying “ I would be prepared to meet “ Corbyn remains close friends with the identified terrorist and in 2009 they travelled together to Gaza Stop being stupid. Hi. Surely you want loads of people to be stupid as it makes you clever. Or have I missed something. Any decent person would not be peddling the dreadful imbecilic nonsense that your national paper says is true - they would use their cognitive ability to the full and consider why the source of their gibberish was biased and whether repeating lies and propaganda was a decent thing to do Pat Hi. Whilst you are entitled to express an opinion out in the real world I have the choice of accepting either your opinion or the facts as scheduled in the newspaper concerned.
Whilst the press are subject to rigorous reporting standards , you can post anything that you like on these forums regardless of its validity.
The fact that in excess of 1.1 million people are prepared to purchase the newspaper concerned on a daily basis is more than good enough for me to accept its creditability. Any keyboard warrior can make a post on these forums , at least with newspapers you have to go out and make the effort to purchase. You may even be able to extract interesting information from your newsagent . I purchase newspapers in a number of different locations in the UK. One actually knows John Mc Donnell. "Wow so your newsagent knows John Mc Donnell! That’s fascinating and of course means your particular brand of keyboard warrior (cut and paste articles from some right wing rag) makes your assertions of more value than mine? Interesting. How many real people do you know Pat? By which I mean have you ever met anyone you read about or is it all third hand experiences? I wonder? | |||
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"From an article to day in the national press . It is interesting to see that not only did Jeremy Corbyn find housing for a known terrorist , he also arranged funding for a project in order to give the terrorist concerned employment . The project created two full time positions , one was given to a convicted terrorist just released from prison for manufacturing bomb making equipment , the other to another terrorist whose wife was involved in assisting prisoners to escape from the maze prison , Any decent person would find the eagerness with which Corbyn mixes with terrorists alarming . Just thirteen days after an attack which killed five Conservative delegates , Corbyn invited two convicted terrorists into the House of Commons . Challenged by a newspaper about the visit , Corbyn at first denied it . But when weeks later this lie was exposed and the story confirmed , he was unapologetic saying “ I would be prepared to meet “ Corbyn remains close friends with the identified terrorist and in 2009 they travelled together to Gaza And so you call me a terrorist While you look down your gun When I think of all the deeds that you have done, You have plundered many nations Divided many lands You have terrorized their people You ruled with an iron hand. And you brought this reign of terror to my land. There is a difference between violent state craft, imperialism for example and the Israeli occupation of Gaza. And the deliberate targeting of non- combatant women and children by a terrorist. For Boris, (and it pains me to say this) to be in the same league as Corbyn, he'd have to shake hands with Brenton Tarrant, buy his book, leave a good review, then invite him round for dinner. Before giving him a tour of the new Zealand house of parliament. Then take £5k from him. Well its an interesting point but my argument has always been that Boris is not up to the job because he is a habitual liar whereas Corbyn has always engaged with people who are either close to or on the wrong side of the law. I dont think that makes him evil as most of the neo con alt right would have you believe and the self serving propaganda they are pushing out reminds me of the Macarthy era whose anti communist terror led to hundreds of intelligent and thoughtful people having their careers blighted or being forced to leave the country and in some cases being sentenced to death. The perception that Corbyn is the equivalent of Stalin or Mao is so ludicrous that only the genuinely thick or deliberately venomous would buy into it. He isn’t my favourite person but at least he isnt a fat lying braggard whose sole intention is to make this country great by making a free for all for the uber wealthy while proposing to spend money in a bonanza that when looked at with a calculated eye doesnt even bring investment back to pre austerity levels while ignoring the fact that with inflation the investment is still less than is necessary for say the NHS to stand still. Its utter lies and deceit and some of the donkeys on this forum are either incapable of understanding that or really are so up their own selves that they couldn’t actually give a flying one about the implications of a Tory win. Sorry for the rant Clem....it wasnt aimed at you.... I enjoy your posts "No problem! It's nice when people debate without getting personal. shows intelligence.
You're correct. However, I'll be voting labour. Do i think Corbyn is an anti semite, who sympathises with terrorists? Yes. Well, kinda. He's anti establishment. He's anti American influence. This stance will make him seem anti jew. I don't think he is on a personal level. But he is anti Israel for sure. He's also a Marxist which would account for his support of the IRA, CND, and XR. Etc. He may not support the violence, but he does support the ideology. | |||
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"From an article to day in the national press . It is interesting to see that not only did Jeremy Corbyn find housing for a known terrorist , he also arranged funding for a project in order to give the terrorist concerned employment . The project created two full time positions , one was given to a convicted terrorist just released from prison for manufacturing bomb making equipment , the other to another terrorist whose wife was involved in assisting prisoners to escape from the maze prison , Any decent person would find the eagerness with which Corbyn mixes with terrorists alarming . Just thirteen days after an attack which killed five Conservative delegates , Corbyn invited two convicted terrorists into the House of Commons . Challenged by a newspaper about the visit , Corbyn at first denied it . But when weeks later this lie was exposed and the story confirmed , he was unapologetic saying “ I would be prepared to meet “ Corbyn remains close friends with the identified terrorist and in 2009 they travelled together to Gaza And so you call me a terrorist While you look down your gun When I think of all the deeds that you have done, You have plundered many nations Divided many lands You have terrorized their people You ruled with an iron hand. And you brought this reign of terror to my land. There is a difference between violent state craft, imperialism for example and the Israeli occupation of Gaza. And the deliberate targeting of non- combatant women and children by a terrorist. For Boris, (and it pains me to say this) to be in the same league as Corbyn, he'd have to shake hands with Brenton Tarrant, buy his book, leave a good review, then invite him round for dinner. Before giving him a tour of the new Zealand house of parliament. Then take £5k from him. Well its an interesting point but my argument has always been that Boris is not up to the job because he is a habitual liar whereas Corbyn has always engaged with people who are either close to or on the wrong side of the law. I dont think that makes him evil as most of the neo con alt right would have you believe and the self serving propaganda they are pushing out reminds me of the Macarthy era whose anti communist terror led to hundreds of intelligent and thoughtful people having their careers blighted or being forced to leave the country and in some cases being sentenced to death. The perception that Corbyn is the equivalent of Stalin or Mao is so ludicrous that only the genuinely thick or deliberately venomous would buy into it. He isn’t my favourite person but at least he isnt a fat lying braggard whose sole intention is to make this country great by making a free for all for the uber wealthy while proposing to spend money in a bonanza that when looked at with a calculated eye doesnt even bring investment back to pre austerity levels while ignoring the fact that with inflation the investment is still less than is necessary for say the NHS to stand still. Its utter lies and deceit and some of the donkeys on this forum are either incapable of understanding that or really are so up their own selves that they couldn’t actually give a flying one about the implications of a Tory win. Sorry for the rant Clem....it wasnt aimed at you.... I enjoy your posts
No problem! It's nice when people debate without getting personal. shows intelligence.
You're correct. However, I'll be voting labour. Do i think Corbyn is an anti semite, who sympathises with terrorists? Yes. Well, kinda. He's anti establishment. He's anti American influence. This stance will make him seem anti jew. I don't think he is on a personal level. But he is anti Israel for sure. He's also a Marxist which would account for his support of the IRA, CND, and XR. Etc. He may not support the violence, but he does support the ideology. "If he's a Marxist he's not a very good one - compare and contrast Attlee's manifesto with the current Labour one if you want to see what I mean.... I'd class him as a true centrist, its just that nowadays "centrist" has been revised to mean "marginally left of Rees-Mogg".... | |||
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"From an article to day in the national press . It is interesting to see that not only did Jeremy Corbyn find housing for a known terrorist , he also arranged funding for a project in order to give the terrorist concerned employment . The project created two full time positions , one was given to a convicted terrorist just released from prison for manufacturing bomb making equipment , the other to another terrorist whose wife was involved in assisting prisoners to escape from the maze prison , Any decent person would find the eagerness with which Corbyn mixes with terrorists alarming . Just thirteen days after an attack which killed five Conservative delegates , Corbyn invited two convicted terrorists into the House of Commons . Challenged by a newspaper about the visit , Corbyn at first denied it . But when weeks later this lie was exposed and the story confirmed , he was unapologetic saying “ I would be prepared to meet “ Corbyn remains close friends with the identified terrorist and in 2009 they travelled together to Gaza And so you call me a terrorist While you look down your gun When I think of all the deeds that you have done, You have plundered many nations Divided many lands You have terrorized their people You ruled with an iron hand. And you brought this reign of terror to my land. There is a difference between violent state craft, imperialism for example and the Israeli occupation of Gaza. And the deliberate targeting of non- combatant women and children by a terrorist. For Boris, (and it pains me to say this) to be in the same league as Corbyn, he'd have to shake hands with Brenton Tarrant, buy his book, leave a good review, then invite him round for dinner. Before giving him a tour of the new Zealand house of parliament. Then take £5k from him. Well its an interesting point but my argument has always been that Boris is not up to the job because he is a habitual liar whereas Corbyn has always engaged with people who are either close to or on the wrong side of the law. I dont think that makes him evil as most of the neo con alt right would have you believe and the self serving propaganda they are pushing out reminds me of the Macarthy era whose anti communist terror led to hundreds of intelligent and thoughtful people having their careers blighted or being forced to leave the country and in some cases being sentenced to death. The perception that Corbyn is the equivalent of Stalin or Mao is so ludicrous that only the genuinely thick or deliberately venomous would buy into it. He isn’t my favourite person but at least he isnt a fat lying braggard whose sole intention is to make this country great by making a free for all for the uber wealthy while proposing to spend money in a bonanza that when looked at with a calculated eye doesnt even bring investment back to pre austerity levels while ignoring the fact that with inflation the investment is still less than is necessary for say the NHS to stand still. Its utter lies and deceit and some of the donkeys on this forum are either incapable of understanding that or really are so up their own selves that they couldn’t actually give a flying one about the implications of a Tory win. Sorry for the rant Clem....it wasnt aimed at you.... I enjoy your posts
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You're correct. However, I'll be voting labour. Do i think Corbyn is an anti semite, who sympathises with terrorists? Yes. Well, kinda. He's anti establishment. He's anti American influence. This stance will make him seem anti jew. I don't think he is on a personal level. But he is anti Israel for sure. He's also a Marxist which would account for his support of the IRA, CND, and XR. Etc. He may not support the violence, but he does support the ideology. "Well you have Nelson Mandela who refused to condemn violence and supported the South African Communist Party a Nobel peace prize winner... and considered to be one of the greatest people who ever lived. Then you have Corbyn who is a socialist not a marxists, who condemned IRA bombings who is public enemy #1. How do people reconcile simultaneous opposing standards? | |||
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"From an article to day in the national press . It is interesting to see that not only did Jeremy Corbyn find housing for a known terrorist , he also arranged funding for a project in order to give the terrorist concerned employment . The project created two full time positions , one was given to a convicted terrorist just released from prison for manufacturing bomb making equipment , the other to another terrorist whose wife was involved in assisting prisoners to escape from the maze prison , Any decent person would find the eagerness with which Corbyn mixes with terrorists alarming . Just thirteen days after an attack which killed five Conservative delegates , Corbyn invited two convicted terrorists into the House of Commons . Challenged by a newspaper about the visit , Corbyn at first denied it . But when weeks later this lie was exposed and the story confirmed , he was unapologetic saying “ I would be prepared to meet “ Corbyn remains close friends with the identified terrorist and in 2009 they travelled together to Gaza And so you call me a terrorist While you look down your gun When I think of all the deeds that you have done, You have plundered many nations Divided many lands You have terrorized their people You ruled with an iron hand. And you brought this reign of terror to my land. There is a difference between violent state craft, imperialism for example and the Israeli occupation of Gaza. And the deliberate targeting of non- combatant women and children by a terrorist. For Boris, (and it pains me to say this) to be in the same league as Corbyn, he'd have to shake hands with Brenton Tarrant, buy his book, leave a good review, then invite him round for dinner. Before giving him a tour of the new Zealand house of parliament. Then take £5k from him. Well its an interesting point but my argument has always been that Boris is not up to the job because he is a habitual liar whereas Corbyn has always engaged with people who are either close to or on the wrong side of the law. I dont think that makes him evil as most of the neo con alt right would have you believe and the self serving propaganda they are pushing out reminds me of the Macarthy era whose anti communist terror led to hundreds of intelligent and thoughtful people having their careers blighted or being forced to leave the country and in some cases being sentenced to death. The perception that Corbyn is the equivalent of Stalin or Mao is so ludicrous that only the genuinely thick or deliberately venomous would buy into it. He isn’t my favourite person but at least he isnt a fat lying braggard whose sole intention is to make this country great by making a free for all for the uber wealthy while proposing to spend money in a bonanza that when looked at with a calculated eye doesnt even bring investment back to pre austerity levels while ignoring the fact that with inflation the investment is still less than is necessary for say the NHS to stand still. Its utter lies and deceit and some of the donkeys on this forum are either incapable of understanding that or really are so up their own selves that they couldn’t actually give a flying one about the implications of a Tory win. Sorry for the rant Clem....it wasnt aimed at you.... I enjoy your posts
No problem! It's nice when people debate without getting personal. shows intelligence.
You're correct. However, I'll be voting labour. Do i think Corbyn is an anti semite, who sympathises with terrorists? Yes. Well, kinda. He's anti establishment. He's anti American influence. This stance will make him seem anti jew. I don't think he is on a personal level. But he is anti Israel for sure. He's also a Marxist which would account for his support of the IRA, CND, and XR. Etc. He may not support the violence, but he does support the ideology.
If he's a Marxist he's not a very good one - compare and contrast Attlee's manifesto with the current Labour one if you want to see what I mean....
I'd class him as a true centrist, its just that nowadays "centrist" has been revised to mean "marginally left of Rees-Mogg"...."If he's not a Marxist then he really is an anti semite and should resign. He has no excuses for his public affection towards those who do harm to Jews. | |||
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" If he's not a Marxist then he really is an anti semite and should resign. He has no excuses for his public affection towards those who do harm to Jews. " An anti semite does this?: 1. On 23rd April 1977, Corbyn organised a counter-demonstrationto protect Wood Green from a neo-nazi march through the district. The area had a significant Jewish population. 2. On 7 November 1990, Corbyn signed a motioncondemning the rise of antisemitism in the UK 3. In 2002 Jeremy Corbyn led a clean-up and vigil at Finsbury Park Synagogue which had been vandalised in an anti-Semitic attack 4. On 30 April 2002, Corbyn tabled a motion in the House of Commons condemning ananti-Semitic attackon a London Synagogue 5. On 26 November 2003, Jeremy Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion condemning terrorist attacks on two synagogues 6. In February 2009, Jeremy Corbyn signed a parliamentary motion condemning a fascist for establishing a website to host antisemitic materials 7. On 24th March 2009, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion praising British Jews who resisted the Holocaust by risking their lives to save potential victims 8. Nine years ago, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motionpraising “Jewish News”for its pioneering investigation into the spread ofAntisemitism on Facebook 9. On 9 February 2010, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion calling for an investigation into Facebook and its failure to prevent the spread of antisemitic materials on its site. 10. On 27 October 2010, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion praising the late Israeli Prime Minister for pursuing a two state solution to the Israel/Palestine question. 11. On 13 June 2012, Corbyn sponsored and signed a motion condemning the BBC for cutting a Jewish Community television programme from its schedule. 12. 1 October 2013, Corbyn appeared on the BBC to defend Ralph Miliband against vile antisemitic attacks by the UK press. 13. Five years ago Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motioncondemning antisemitism in sport. 14. On 1 March 2013, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion condemning and expressing concern at growing levels of antisemitism in European football. 15. On 9 January 2014, Jeremy Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion praising Holocaust education programmes that had taken 20,000 British students to Auschwitz. 16. On 22 June 2015, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion expressing concern at the neo-nazi march being planned for an area of London with a significant Jewish population. 17. On 9 October 2016, Corbyn, close to tears, commemorated the 1936 Battle of Cable Street and recalled the role his mother played in defending London’s Jewish community. 18. On 3 December 2016, Corbyn made a visit to Terezin Concentration Camp when Jewish people were murdered by the Nazis. It was Jeremy’s third visit to such a camp, all of which were largely unreported in the most read UK papers. 19. A widely-endorsed 2018 academic report found ninety-five serious reporting failures in the reporting of the LabourAntisemitism story with the worst offenders The Sun, the Mail & the BBC. 20. On 28 February 2016, five months after becoming leader, Jeremy Corbyn appointed Baroness Royall to investigate antisemitism at Oxford University Labour Club. 21. On 27 April 2016 Corbyn suspended an MP pending an investigation into antisemitism. 22. A day later, Corbyn suspended the three times Mayor of London after complaints of antisemitic comments. Party. 23. On 29 April 2016, Corbyn launched an inquiry into the prevalence of antisemitism in the Labour Party. In spite of later changes in how the inquiry was reported, it was initially praised by Jewish community organisations. 24. In Corbyn’s first seven months as leader of the Labour Party, just ten complaints were received about antisemitism. 90% of those were suspended from the Labour Party within 24 hours. 25. In September 2017, Corbyn backed a motion at Labour’s annual conference introducing a new set of rules regarding antisemitism. 26. In the six months that followed the introduction of the new code of conduct, to March 2018, 94% of the fifty-four people accused of antisemitism remained suspended or barred from Labour Party membership. Three of the fifty-four were exonerated. 27. When Jennie Formby became general secretary of the party last year, she appointed a highly-qualified in-house Counsel, as recommended in the Chakrabarti Report. 28. In 2018, Labour almost doubled the size of its staff team handling investigations and dispute processes. 29. Last year, to speed up the handling of antisemitism cases, smaller panels of 3-5 NEC members were established to enable cases to be heard more quickly. 30. Since 2018, every complaint made about antisemitism is allocated its own independent specialist barrister to ensure due process is followed. 31. The entire backlog of cases outstanding upon Jennie Formby becoming General Secretary of the Labour Party was cleared within 6 months of Jennie taking up her post. 32. Since September 2018, Labour has doubled the size of its National Constitutional Committee (NCC) – its senior disciplinary panel – from 11 to 25 members to enable it to process cases more quickly. 33. Under Formby and Labour’s left-run NEC, NCC arranged elections at short notice to ensure the NCC reached its new full capacity without delay. 34. Since later 2018, the NCC routinely convenes a greater number of hearing panels to allow cases to be heard and finalised without delay. 35. In 2018, the NEC established a ‘Procedures Working Group’ to lead reforms in the way disciplinary cases are handled. 36. The NEC adopted the IHRA working definition of antisemitism and all eleven examples of antisemitism attached to it. 37. A rule change agreed at Conference in 2018 means that all serious complaints, including antisemitism, are dealt with nationally to ensure consistency. 38. Last year, Jennie Formby wrote to the admins and moderators of Facebook groups about how they can effectively moderate online spaces and requested that any discriminatory content be reported to the Labour Party for investigation. 39. Since last year, no one outside Labour’s Governance and Legal Unit can be involved in decision-making on antisemitism investigations. This independence allowsdecisions free from political influence to be taken. | |||
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" If he's not a Marxist then he really is an anti semite and should resign. He has no excuses for his public affection towards those who do harm to Jews. An anti semite does this?: 1. On 23rd April 1977, Corbyn organised a counter-demonstrationto protect Wood Green from a neo-nazi march through the district. The area had a significant Jewish population. 2. On 7 November 1990, Corbyn signed a motioncondemning the rise of antisemitism in the UK 3. In 2002 Jeremy Corbyn led a clean-up and vigil at Finsbury Park Synagogue which had been vandalised in an anti-Semitic attack 4. On 30 April 2002, Corbyn tabled a motion in the House of Commons condemning ananti-Semitic attackon a London Synagogue 5. On 26 November 2003, Jeremy Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion condemning terrorist attacks on two synagogues 6. In February 2009, Jeremy Corbyn signed a parliamentary motion condemning a fascist for establishing a website to host antisemitic materials 7. On 24th March 2009, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion praising British Jews who resisted the Holocaust by risking their lives to save potential victims 8. Nine years ago, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motionpraising “Jewish News”for its pioneering investigation into the spread ofAntisemitism on Facebook 9. On 9 February 2010, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion calling for an investigation into Facebook and its failure to prevent the spread of antisemitic materials on its site. 10. On 27 October 2010, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion praising the late Israeli Prime Minister for pursuing a two state solution to the Israel/Palestine question. 11. On 13 June 2012, Corbyn sponsored and signed a motion condemning the BBC for cutting a Jewish Community television programme from its schedule. 12. 1 October 2013, Corbyn appeared on the BBC to defend Ralph Miliband against vile antisemitic attacks by the UK press. 13. Five years ago Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motioncondemning antisemitism in sport. 14. On 1 March 2013, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion condemning and expressing concern at growing levels of antisemitism in European football. 15. On 9 January 2014, Jeremy Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion praising Holocaust education programmes that had taken 20,000 British students to Auschwitz. 16. On 22 June 2015, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion expressing concern at the neo-nazi march being planned for an area of London with a significant Jewish population. 17. On 9 October 2016, Corbyn, close to tears, commemorated the 1936 Battle of Cable Street and recalled the role his mother played in defending London’s Jewish community. 18. On 3 December 2016, Corbyn made a visit to Terezin Concentration Camp when Jewish people were murdered by the Nazis. It was Jeremy’s third visit to such a camp, all of which were largely unreported in the most read UK papers. 19. A widely-endorsed 2018 academic report found ninety-five serious reporting failures in the reporting of the LabourAntisemitism story with the worst offenders The Sun, the Mail & the BBC. 20. On 28 February 2016, five months after becoming leader, Jeremy Corbyn appointed Baroness Royall to investigate antisemitism at Oxford University Labour Club. 21. On 27 April 2016 Corbyn suspended an MP pending an investigation into antisemitism. 22. A day later, Corbyn suspended the three times Mayor of London after complaints of antisemitic comments. Party. 23. On 29 April 2016, Corbyn launched an inquiry into the prevalence of antisemitism in the Labour Party. In spite of later changes in how the inquiry was reported, it was initially praised by Jewish community organisations. 24. In Corbyn’s first seven months as leader of the Labour Party, just ten complaints were received about antisemitism. 90% of those were suspended from the Labour Party within 24 hours. 25. In September 2017, Corbyn backed a motion at Labour’s annual conference introducing a new set of rules regarding antisemitism. 26. In the six months that followed the introduction of the new code of conduct, to March 2018, 94% of the fifty-four people accused of antisemitism remained suspended or barred from Labour Party membership. Three of the fifty-four were exonerated. 27. When Jennie Formby became general secretary of the party last year, she appointed a highly-qualified in-house Counsel, as recommended in the Chakrabarti Report. 28. In 2018, Labour almost doubled the size of its staff team handling investigations and dispute processes. 29. Last year, to speed up the handling of antisemitism cases, smaller panels of 3-5 NEC members were established to enable cases to be heard more quickly. 30. Since 2018, every complaint made about antisemitism is allocated its own independent specialist barrister to ensure due process is followed. 31. The entire backlog of cases outstanding upon Jennie Formby becoming General Secretary of the Labour Party was cleared within 6 months of Jennie taking up her post. 32. Since September 2018, Labour has doubled the size of its National Constitutional Committee (NCC) – its senior disciplinary panel – from 11 to 25 members to enable it to process cases more quickly. 33. Under Formby and Labour’s left-run NEC, NCC arranged elections at short notice to ensure the NCC reached its new full capacity without delay. 34. Since later 2018, the NCC routinely convenes a greater number of hearing panels to allow cases to be heard and finalised without delay. 35. In 2018, the NEC established a ‘Procedures Working Group’ to lead reforms in the way disciplinary cases are handled. 36. The NEC adopted the IHRA working definition of antisemitism and all eleven examples of antisemitism attached to it. 37. A rule change agreed at Conference in 2018 means that all serious complaints, including antisemitism, are dealt with nationally to ensure consistency. 38. Last year, Jennie Formby wrote to the admins and moderators of Facebook groups about how they can effectively moderate online spaces and requested that any discriminatory content be reported to the Labour Party for investigation. 39. Since last year, no one outside Labour’s Governance and Legal Unit can be involved in decision-making on antisemitism investigations. This independence allowsdecisions free from political influence to be taken. " Bit over the top. He obviously has a guilty conscience  | |||
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" If he's not a Marxist then he really is an anti semite and should resign. He has no excuses for his public affection towards those who do harm to Jews. An anti semite does this?: 1. On 23rd April 1977, Corbyn organised a counter-demonstrationto protect Wood Green from a neo-nazi march through the district. The area had a significant Jewish population. 2. On 7 November 1990, Corbyn signed a motioncondemning the rise of antisemitism in the UK 3. In 2002 Jeremy Corbyn led a clean-up and vigil at Finsbury Park Synagogue which had been vandalised in an anti-Semitic attack 4. On 30 April 2002, Corbyn tabled a motion in the House of Commons condemning ananti-Semitic attackon a London Synagogue 5. On 26 November 2003, Jeremy Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion condemning terrorist attacks on two synagogues 6. In February 2009, Jeremy Corbyn signed a parliamentary motion condemning a fascist for establishing a website to host antisemitic materials 7. On 24th March 2009, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion praising British Jews who resisted the Holocaust by risking their lives to save potential victims 8. Nine years ago, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motionpraising “Jewish News”for its pioneering investigation into the spread ofAntisemitism on Facebook 9. On 9 February 2010, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion calling for an investigation into Facebook and its failure to prevent the spread of antisemitic materials on its site. 10. On 27 October 2010, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion praising the late Israeli Prime Minister for pursuing a two state solution to the Israel/Palestine question. 11. On 13 June 2012, Corbyn sponsored and signed a motion condemning the BBC for cutting a Jewish Community television programme from its schedule. 12. 1 October 2013, Corbyn appeared on the BBC to defend Ralph Miliband against vile antisemitic attacks by the UK press. 13. Five years ago Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motioncondemning antisemitism in sport. 14. On 1 March 2013, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion condemning and expressing concern at growing levels of antisemitism in European football. 15. On 9 January 2014, Jeremy Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion praising Holocaust education programmes that had taken 20,000 British students to Auschwitz. 16. On 22 June 2015, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion expressing concern at the neo-nazi march being planned for an area of London with a significant Jewish population. 17. On 9 October 2016, Corbyn, close to tears, commemorated the 1936 Battle of Cable Street and recalled the role his mother played in defending London’s Jewish community. 18. On 3 December 2016, Corbyn made a visit to Terezin Concentration Camp when Jewish people were murdered by the Nazis. It was Jeremy’s third visit to such a camp, all of which were largely unreported in the most read UK papers. 19. A widely-endorsed 2018 academic report found ninety-five serious reporting failures in the reporting of the LabourAntisemitism story with the worst offenders The Sun, the Mail & the BBC. 20. On 28 February 2016, five months after becoming leader, Jeremy Corbyn appointed Baroness Royall to investigate antisemitism at Oxford University Labour Club. 21. On 27 April 2016 Corbyn suspended an MP pending an investigation into antisemitism. 22. A day later, Corbyn suspended the three times Mayor of London after complaints of antisemitic comments. Party. 23. On 29 April 2016, Corbyn launched an inquiry into the prevalence of antisemitism in the Labour Party. In spite of later changes in how the inquiry was reported, it was initially praised by Jewish community organisations. 24. In Corbyn’s first seven months as leader of the Labour Party, just ten complaints were received about antisemitism. 90% of those were suspended from the Labour Party within 24 hours. 25. In September 2017, Corbyn backed a motion at Labour’s annual conference introducing a new set of rules regarding antisemitism. 26. In the six months that followed the introduction of the new code of conduct, to March 2018, 94% of the fifty-four people accused of antisemitism remained suspended or barred from Labour Party membership. Three of the fifty-four were exonerated. 27. When Jennie Formby became general secretary of the party last year, she appointed a highly-qualified in-house Counsel, as recommended in the Chakrabarti Report. 28. In 2018, Labour almost doubled the size of its staff team handling investigations and dispute processes. 29. Last year, to speed up the handling of antisemitism cases, smaller panels of 3-5 NEC members were established to enable cases to be heard more quickly. 30. Since 2018, every complaint made about antisemitism is allocated its own independent specialist barrister to ensure due process is followed. 31. The entire backlog of cases outstanding upon Jennie Formby becoming General Secretary of the Labour Party was cleared within 6 months of Jennie taking up her post. 32. Since September 2018, Labour has doubled the size of its National Constitutional Committee (NCC) – its senior disciplinary panel – from 11 to 25 members to enable it to process cases more quickly. 33. Under Formby and Labour’s left-run NEC, NCC arranged elections at short notice to ensure the NCC reached its new full capacity without delay. 34. Since later 2018, the NCC routinely convenes a greater number of hearing panels to allow cases to be heard and finalised without delay. 35. In 2018, the NEC established a ‘Procedures Working Group’ to lead reforms in the way disciplinary cases are handled. 36. The NEC adopted the IHRA working definition of antisemitism and all eleven examples of antisemitism attached to it. 37. A rule change agreed at Conference in 2018 means that all serious complaints, including antisemitism, are dealt with nationally to ensure consistency. 38. Last year, Jennie Formby wrote to the admins and moderators of Facebook groups about how they can effectively moderate online spaces and requested that any discriminatory content be reported to the Labour Party for investigation. 39. Since last year, no one outside Labour’s Governance and Legal Unit can be involved in decision-making on antisemitism investigations. This independence allowsdecisions free from political influence to be taken. Bit over the top. He obviously has a guilty conscience "So Ian Austin MP and others quit for nothing! Lol idiots! | |||
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