FabSwingers.com forum: Your Brexit predictions.

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

How do you think the Brexit saga will go?

I think, sadly, Johnson and the Tories will win the election. (Too many people believe blatant lies and will vote for them.) They'll drag the country out of the EU on some version of Brexit.

The subsequent shitstorm and negotiations will last for many years. The UK will lose out a lot. And the Tories will blame everybody else for Brexit fucking everything up.

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

"How do you think the Brexit saga will go?

I think, sadly, Johnson and the Tories will win the election. (Too many people believe blatant lies and will vote for them.) They'll drag the country out of the EU on some version of Brexit.

The subsequent shitstorm and negotiations will last for many years. The UK will lose out a lot. And the Tories will blame everybody else for Brexit fucking everything up."
. I think ( and fear ) you may be right , my prediction , is that in 4 years time 14 million of the 17 million who voted leave will be saying "it wasn't me , I voted remain "

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"How do you think the Brexit saga will go?

I think, sadly, Johnson and the Tories will win the election. (Too many people believe blatant lies and will vote for them.) They'll drag the country out of the EU on some version of Brexit.

The subsequent shitstorm and negotiations will last for many years. The UK will lose out a lot. And the Tories will blame everybody else for Brexit fucking everything up.. I think ( and fear ) you may be right , my prediction , is that in 4 years time 14 million of the 17 million who voted leave will be saying "it wasn't me , I voted remain " "

I think they'll still be blaming others for it all going wrong. Leavers have had 3 years of the shitshow already to change their minds. I get the impression many of them have the same views as before.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

I think we will piss the eu off and do very well for the future ...other countries will see this and leave and the eu in it's current guise will crumble into even more debt ..posative outlook from me ...look forward not back ...head down and work hard ....funny this but the harder I worked the richer I become ...work it out all the experts on here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The evidence suggests the Tories will get in with a majority.

They will kick off Brexit proper. Initiating years of turmoil. Currency traders and tax avoiders will make shit loads of money on the falling pound. We will be destroyed in international trade negotiations.

Meanwhile issues like housing, NHS, climate change will be under funded and will all take second place.

Leavers will blame remainers for the clusterfuck.

Basically more of the same that we've had for the past four years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How do you think the Brexit saga will go?

I think, sadly, Johnson and the Tories will win the election. (Too many people believe blatant lies and will vote for them.) They'll drag the country out of the EU on some version of Brexit.

The subsequent shitstorm and negotiations will last for many years. The UK will lose out a lot. And the Tories will blame everybody else for Brexit fucking everything up."

I think you've covered everything there

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'm assuming that the Cons will win the election, Johnson gets what he wants, ie 5 more years in power. Brexit happens, pushed towards a harder version, with years of negotiations, as the UK becomes lamer. The vast majority of those voters will not get a good deal for them but many will sustain the illusion that it's not due to their actions. Division will continue too, with the right wing not caring, as now. Whatever poverty or fallout damage happens won't be of any interest to the hardened right wing extremists, who become more bitter against anyone unlike themselves, enacting more extreme measures that are designed to punish. Universal credit will be rebranded as universal debt, with increased shaming of those who have the nerve to try to get support, due to a state and culture in decline. Ideas mounted of individuals needing to repay their universal debt back, when they start working in the poverty workhouse culture that's created - obviously their debt will be charged at extortionate interest rates. People getting in-work benefits, to top up insecure zero hours type job income, will be forced into this state imposed workhouse slavery system, to repay some of what they have claimed from the state. There are calls for introduction of euthanasia for those who are unable to repay their state debts.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

Seen as "Neil vs Swinson Showdown" happened, and not one political fabber was bothered about it.. it's going to sadly be one of the two options in the OP.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

No one knows who that hand waving horrid woman is ....one trick pony ...and a bad one at that ...no democracy within the liberal democrats

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

"How do you think the Brexit saga will go?

I think, sadly, Johnson and the Tories will win the election. (Too many people believe blatant lies and will vote for them.) They'll drag the country out of the EU on some version of Brexit.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"No one knows who that hand waving horrid woman is ....one trick pony ...and a bad one at that ...no democracy within the liberal democrats "
They really should have a re branding liberal non democrats.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think that Conservatives will win the election. That BJ won't get a deal in 11 months and we will crash out without a deal. I think that the UK will be a no go area so far as business is concerned except for those businesses who will exploit having a captive market and exploit this by raising their prices and blaming higer costs on Brexit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think that Conservatives will win the election. That BJ won't get a deal in 11 months and we will crash out without a deal. I think that the UK will be a no go area so far as business is concerned except for those businesses who will exploit having a captive market and exploit this by raising their prices and blaming higer costs on Brexit."

Actually I don’t think we will crash out. We will be in discussions with the EU with regards to a trade deal so at that point the brexiteers beloved WTO section 24 rules can kick in.

Unfortunately for the EU to agree to continue talking we will have to maintain the status quo with regards to standards etc, which we will, and this whole circus can carry on .

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

I think we will get a trade deal,we buy more from the eu than sell to them so why would they not want one.Also this wont be about new trade it will be about trade they are losing.The German car market is losing jobs in the tens of thousands at the moment, every country is going to have to put more into the pot to cover the uk,s loss they would be foolish not to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think we will get a trade deal,we buy more from the eu than sell to them so why would they not want one.Also this wont be about new trade it will be about trade they are losing.The German car market is losing jobs in the tens of thousands at the moment, every country is going to have to put more into the pot to cover the uk,s loss they would be foolish not to."

Of course there will be a trade deal. No one is seriously denying that.

But also no one is seriously suggesting that the trade deal will even be close to what we have now.

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By *hMyGawdCouple
over a year ago

Midlands

Lib dems will do okay. Labour will be destroyed. Tories will win a comfortable majority.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

"No one knows who that hand waving horrid woman is ....one trick pony ...and a bad one at that ...no democracy within the liberal democrats "

It's a clear position though. If they get in, they have a mandated majority. Like a no deal, like a remain deal, like a cherry picked deal.

The Torys are leaving.

Labour are remain by default. A referendum on Remain v's a closely aligned deal is a remain position.

Libs are remaining.

Brexit are leaving.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I notice v few people think things will go well. Where's all that Brexit optimism that leavers were sold now?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"I notice v few people think things will go well. Where's all that Brexit optimism that leavers were sold now?"
well you wont find many on here as most who post are remainers but im optimistic as i said earlier once we are out we can then negotiate other deals which will further concentrate the eu,s mind.Until we leave by law we cannot do that which is why the eu have had the upper hand all this time and made the law in the 1st place.Have faith there is a big world out there.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I notice v few people think things will go well. Where's all that Brexit optimism that leavers were sold now?well you wont find many on here as most who post are remainers but im optimistic as i said earlier once we are out we can then negotiate other deals which will further concentrate the eu,s mind.Until we leave by law we cannot do that which is why the eu have had the upper hand all this time and made the law in the 1st place.Have faith there is a big world out there.

You really think we'll be in a stronger position to negotiate with countries than the entire EU? Or that we'll somehow get a better deal with the EU than the one we already have? Wow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I notice v few people think things will go well. Where's all that Brexit optimism that leavers were sold now?"

There isn't really any evidence for a positive outcome for ordinary people. But that was never the point of Brexit.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I notice v few people think things will go well. Where's all that Brexit optimism that leavers were sold now?

There isn't really any evidence for a positive outcome for ordinary people. But that was never the point of Brexit. "

A lot of people were sold a vision of Brexit and how wonderful it would be, though, weren't they? I'm curious how many people still believe that bullshit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I notice v few people think things will go well. Where's all that Brexit optimism that leavers were sold now?

There isn't really any evidence for a positive outcome for ordinary people. But that was never the point of Brexit.

A lot of people were sold a vision of Brexit and how wonderful it would be, though, weren't they? I'm curious how many people still believe that bullshit."

Maybe not many but nearly all would publicly deny it

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Brexit will happen with a mediocre deal. And Great Britain will be worse of. But the world will keep turning.

It will take generations to fix trade.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Darwin was right

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By *hMyGawdCouple
over a year ago

Midlands

"I notice v few people think things will go well. Where's all that Brexit optimism that leavers were sold now?"

We both voted Leave, as did 90% of our friends and family.

Not optimistically, but simply to spite the sort of people who vote Remain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I notice v few people think things will go well. Where's all that Brexit optimism that leavers were sold now?

We both voted Leave, as did 90% of our friends and family.

Not optimistically, but simply to spite the sort of people who vote Remain."

Aside from all the race hate supporting nonsense you posted before. This is the next most rediculous thing I've ever read on here.

How come you mostly know people with such abhorrent attitudes like you're own, Don't you mix well with others?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I notice v few people think things will go well. Where's all that Brexit optimism that leavers were sold now?

We both voted Leave, as did 90% of our friends and family.

Not optimistically, but simply to spite the sort of people who vote Remain."

Yep Darwin awards all round!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I notice v few people think things will go well. Where's all that Brexit optimism that leavers were sold now?

We both voted Leave, as did 90% of our friends and family.

Not optimistically, but simply to spite the sort of people who vote Remain."

Yeah that'll show those remain bastards who want the country to be better.

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By *hMyGawdCouple
over a year ago

Midlands

Thats a matter of opinion on whether we'd be "better" Leaving or Remaining.

Both options have their pros and cons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thats a matter of opinion on whether we'd be "better" Leaving or Remaining.

Both options have their pros and cons."

Can you give an example of a pro?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Thats a matter of opinion on whether we'd be "better" Leaving or Remaining.

Both options have their pros and cons."

You didn't vote based on pros or cons, though. You voted to spite people. Your words.

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By *hMyGawdCouple
over a year ago

Midlands

"Thats a matter of opinion on whether we'd be "better" Leaving or Remaining.

Both options have their pros and cons.

You didn't vote based on pros or cons, though. You voted to spite people. Your words.

True. But the people we spited are the people damaging Britain (think The Guardian, The BBC, most left wing politics). So our intentions were good.

Your assertion that Remain is a good option and Leave is bad one oversimplifies things a little.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thats a matter of opinion on whether we'd be "better" Leaving or Remaining.

Both options have their pros and cons.

You didn't vote based on pros or cons, though. You voted to spite people. Your words.

True. But the people we spited are the people damaging Britain (think The Guardian, The BBC, most left wing politics). So our intentions were good.

Your assertion that Remain is a good option and Leave is bad one oversimplifies things a little. "

I think you'll find you spited (if that even is a word) everyone except the richest 0.001% .

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By *hMyGawdCouple
over a year ago

Midlands

"I think you'll find you spited (if that even is a word) everyone except the richest 0.001% . "

Well, not the majority of people. Because they voted Leave

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think you'll find you spited (if that even is a word) everyone except the richest 0.001% .

Well, not the majority of people. Because they voted Leave

Do you even realise that the masses who voted for Brexit are incredibly unlikely to benefit from it? Do you care at all that Brexit will likely weaken the UK significantly?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think you'll find you spited (if that even is a word) everyone except the richest 0.001% .

Well, not the majority of people. Because they voted Leave

Right. The majority of people who voted, voted leave.

But I'm talking about who stands to benefit from Brexit. (Aside from the Americans and Russians)

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By *hMyGawdCouple
over a year ago

Midlands

"But I'm talking about who stands to benefit from Brexit. (Aside from the Americans and Russians)"

Until we see the exact benefits and pitfalls of Brexit, we cannot know. The only concrete thing we know is we will be no longer paying our EU membership fee, which saves every taxpayer some money.

Everything else is speculation to some degree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But I'm talking about who stands to benefit from Brexit. (Aside from the Americans and Russians)

Until we see the exact benefits and pitfalls of Brexit, we cannot know. The only concrete thing we know is we will be no longer paying our EU membership fee, which saves every taxpayer some money.

Everything else is speculation to some degree."

This is a lot funnier than your pro race hate stuff.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But I'm talking about who stands to benefit from Brexit. (Aside from the Americans and Russians)

Until we see the exact benefits and pitfalls of Brexit, we cannot know. The only concrete thing we know is we will be no longer paying our EU membership fee, which saves every taxpayer some money.

Everything else is speculation to some degree."

But we will still be paying as we have pension contributions and contracts to fulfil and in the meantime the value of the pound is dropping and major property owners like m&g are on the brink of collapse - sounds like we are winning doesnt it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The race thing is funny. Do you realse that the hero of the latest terror attack was Polish?

It is amazing to think that Lukasz took 5 stab wounds to buy time so that people who hate him so much could escape.

But yeah let's get rid of all those Poles and Lithuanians who keep our care homes running and empty our dustbins.... but not a stuff am I gonna do that kind of work.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/priti-patel-immigration-brexit-conservatives-trump-visa-movement-a9230571.html

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But I'm talking about who stands to benefit from Brexit. (Aside from the Americans and Russians)

Until we see the exact benefits and pitfalls of Brexit, we cannot know. The only concrete thing we know is we will be no longer paying our EU membership fee, which saves every taxpayer some money.

Everything else is speculation to some degree.

Nonsense. We still have lucrative money earners like Thomas Cook!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If wont happen and I have always sait it

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"If wont happen and I have always sait it

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yes you have,you have been very consistent in that regard we will see in 6 days.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If wont happen and I have always sait it

yes you have,you have been very consistent in that regard we will see in 6 days.

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Yes we will the date will come and go lol.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Shags another one who as always said it won’t happen See what he as to say next week lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Shags another one who as always said it won’t happen See what he as to say next week lol"

You really think a tory wins equates to getting Brexit done. I fear you may be disappointed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't see any evidence for Brexit not happening at all. I think you're wrong. It will happen.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Shags another one who as always said it won’t happen See what he as to say next week lol

You really think a tory wins equates to getting Brexit done. I fear you may be disappointed"
emmmmm yes January 31st

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Shags another one who as always said it won’t happen See what he as to say next week lol

You really think a tory wins equates to getting Brexit done. I fear you may be disappointedemmmmm yes January 31st "

Do you think the Tories will get their act together, instead of more of the faffing around they've been doing for the last few years?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Shags another one who as always said it won’t happen See what he as to say next week lol

You really think a tory wins equates to getting Brexit done. I fear you may be disappointedemmmmm yes January 31st

Do you think the Tories will get their act together, instead of more of the faffing around they've been doing for the last few years?"

The hard right wing nutters are in charge of the Tories now. Given the fact they don't care at all about damage to the country or its people, I think they'll drag the country out of the EU on any shitty deal. Then the years of negotiations with the WU will begin. And they'll go v badly whle the tories try to blame the EU for everything.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

WU? lol

I mean to say "with the EU"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Shags another one who as always said it won’t happen See what he as to say next week lol

You really think a tory wins equates to getting Brexit done. I fear you may be disappointedemmmmm yes January 31st

Do you think the Tories will get their act together, instead of more of the faffing around they've been doing for the last few years?

I don't doubt any of that.

But there seems to be a general feeling amongst some peeps that if the Tories get reelected, they'll stop the faffing around, and stop voting against their own deal etc.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Shags another one who as always said it won’t happen See what he as to say next week lol

You really think a tory wins equates to getting Brexit done. I fear you may be disappointedemmmmm yes January 31st

Do you think the Tories will get their act together, instead of more of the faffing around they've been doing for the last few years?

I don't doubt any of that.

But there seems to be a general feeling amongst some peeps that if the Tories get reelected, they'll stop the faffing around, and stop voting against their own deal etc. "

Oh I see what you mean.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Shags another one who as always said it won’t happen See what he as to say next week lol

You really think a tory wins equates to getting Brexit done. I fear you may be disappointedemmmmm yes January 31st

Do you think the Tories will get their act together, instead of more of the faffing around they've been doing for the last few years?

I don't doubt any of that.

But there seems to be a general feeling amongst some peeps that if the Tories get reelected, they'll stop the faffing around, and stop voting against their own deal etc. "
Its not a feeling mate every standing mp has signed up to passing the deal every one of them.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Shags another one who as always said it won’t happen See what he as to say next week lol

You really think a tory wins equates to getting Brexit done. I fear you may be disappointedemmmmm yes January 31st

Do you think the Tories will get their act together, instead of more of the faffing around they've been doing for the last few years?

I don't doubt any of that.

But there seems to be a general feeling amongst some peeps that if the Tories get reelected, they'll stop the faffing around, and stop voting against their own deal etc. Its not a feeling mate every standing mp has signed up to passing the deal every one of them."

Parliament voted for Johnson's deal, which was basically May's deal reheated. But then Johnson himself pulled the deal so he could force an election.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Shags another one who as always said it won’t happen See what he as to say next week lol

You really think a tory wins equates to getting Brexit done. I fear you may be disappointedemmmmm yes January 31st

Do you think the Tories will get their act together, instead of more of the faffing around they've been doing for the last few years?

I don't doubt any of that.

And we all implicitly trust everything every one of them says.

Case closed.

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By *utdoorsmanMan
over a year ago

glasgow

time for a change/ lets try lib dems

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By *umDineWithUsCouple
over a year ago

Famagusta, CYPRUS

If Lib Dems get in they have promised a second referendum (which possibly goes against democracy) That surely would mean they would have to give Scotland a second referendum. What a can of worms that would be.

So....what referendum would be first? UK leaving/remaing in the UK or Scotland leaving the UK? It would be like what came first...chicken or the egg?

So happy I now live in Cyprus

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

Well let’s be truthful, the hard right are in charge of the tories whilst the extreme left are in charge of labour . Either way, the country is screwed. The Lib Dem’s always have been and always will be a bit of a distraction but not government material . UK politics is now akin to NI politics; polarised to extreme views with no alternative middle ground.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

"If Lib Dems get in they have promised a second referendum (which possibly goes against democracy) That surely would mean they would have to give Scotland a second referendum. What a can of worms that would be.

In fairness, if Labour get in they have said they'll give a second referendum on Scotland. And not that its been raised much recently but Labour are in favour of Northern Irish independence or at least Irish unity.

I may be wrong but I remember Labour members commenting they would not be adverse or would work with parties about a Welsh Independence vote.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How do you think the Brexit saga will go?

I think, sadly, Johnson and the Tories will win the election. (Too many people believe blatant lies and will vote for them.) They'll drag the country out of the EU on some version of Brexit.

The subsequent shitstorm and negotiations will last for many years. The UK will lose out a lot. And the Tories will blame everybody else for Brexit fucking everything up."
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Seems about right I'd say.

Although I've always been of the opinion that brexit won't be as bad as made out.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Fantasy.

We lose 60 odd deals that we have via the EU, that we have already paid for! - our membership fee paid for good negotiations that worked in our interests. Leavers want us to have to pay again for that effort and assume the magic money tree can provide endless money for something that is avoidable - everyone paying more for goods when our deals are thrown away.

It's laughable that some people try to think that the reason the EU had the upper hand negotiaating after the referendum is anything other than that they are much larger and stronger than us. It's farcical to try to pretend otherwise.

Replicate this to when the UK is trying to negotiate with other big states

The UK is the desperate weaker state. When some people have fantasies, they need to make them much more detailed, providing the specifics of how these fantasy deals get done as well as the exact costs to the UK for every loss being accrued, since the deceit pre-referendum until we complete the same deals that we currently have at the same or better terms

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By *ike676767Man
over a year ago

Near Taunton

UK will do very well. Germany in recession and split in Govt. Coalition. France in trouble with unpopular but much needed reforms and nearing recession. Both want and need a good deal with us to shore up problems at home.

As a flexible deregulated economy we will be seen as a gateway to Europe by USA, Asia and the commonwealth. The commercial advantages of Our language, legal system and timezone relative to the whole world will never change

Good times ahead.

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