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"Corbyn - Terrorists shouldn't necessarily finish their sentences Boris - Terrorists should complete every single day of their sentence they are handed Looks like Corbyn needs them out to vote for him! "Why did the conservatives let out 74 terrorists early then?? | |||
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"Corbyn - Terrorists shouldn't necessarily finish their sentences Boris - Terrorists should complete every single day of their sentence they are handed Looks like Corbyn needs them out to vote for him! "Talk about out of context. I believe there was a bit more to it than that. Somthing about rehabilitation and a genuine chance to change their lives around before even being considered for early release. | |||
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"Corbyn - Terrorists shouldn't necessarily finish their sentences Boris - Terrorists should complete every single day of their sentence they are handed Looks like Corbyn needs them out to vote for him!
Why did the conservatives let out 74 terrorists early then?? "Have you not been following it? they were convicted under the labour policy which was later changed unfortunately the law at the time when convicted has to be adhered to. | |||
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"Because Labour blocked their sentencing bill." Ah, and I thought the tories used to have a majority in Parliament? What happens there then?  | |||
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"Corbyn - Terrorists shouldn't necessarily finish their sentences Boris - Terrorists should complete every single day of their sentence they are handed Looks like Corbyn needs them out to vote for him!
Why did the conservatives let out 74 terrorists early then?? Have you not been following it? they were convicted under the labour policy which was later changed unfortunately the law at the time when convicted has to be adhered to. "Ah, so it is labours fault? Who makes the decision on the early release of prisoners ? | |||
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"Corbyn - Terrorists shouldn't necessarily finish their sentences Boris - Terrorists should complete every single day of their sentence they are handed Looks like Corbyn needs them out to vote for him!
Talk about out of context.
I believe there was a bit more to it than that.
Somthing about rehabilitation and a genuine chance to change their lives around before even being considered for early release."Yes, but don’t try and confuse them with facts | |||
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"Corbyn - Terrorists shouldn't necessarily finish their sentences Boris - Terrorists should complete every single day of their sentence they are handed Looks like Corbyn needs them out to vote for him!
Why did the conservatives let out 74 terrorists early then?? Have you not been following it? they were convicted under the labour policy which was later changed unfortunately the law at the time when convicted has to be adhered to.
Ah, so it is labours fault? Who makes the decision on the early release of prisoners ? "yes you havnt followed this very well at all have you? it was automatic release after serving 1/2 your sentence. | |||
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"Corbyn - Terrorists shouldn't necessarily finish their sentences Boris - Terrorists should complete every single day of their sentence they are handed Looks like Corbyn needs them out to vote for him!
Why did the conservatives let out 74 terrorists early then?? Have you not been following it? they were convicted under the labour policy which was later changed unfortunately the law at the time when convicted has to be adhered to.
Ah, so it is labours fault? Who makes the decision on the early release of prisoners ? yes you havnt followed this very well at all have you? it was automatic release after serving 1/2 your sentence."
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"Corbyn - Terrorists shouldn't necessarily finish their sentences Boris - Terrorists should complete every single day of their sentence they are handed Looks like Corbyn needs them out to vote for him!
Why did the conservatives let out 74 terrorists early then?? Have you not been following it? they were convicted under the labour policy which was later changed unfortunately the law at the time when convicted has to be adhered to.
Ah, so it is labours fault? Who makes the decision on the early release of prisoners ? yes you havnt followed this very well at all have you? it was automatic release after serving 1/2 your sentence.
There is no such thing as ‘automatic release ‘ you really haven’t followed this very well, try and keep up "Just try doing a bit of research about what you are discussing instead of just trying to be clever. | |||
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"Corbyn - Terrorists shouldn't necessarily finish their sentences Boris - Terrorists should complete every single day of their sentence they are handed Looks like Corbyn needs them out to vote for him!
Why did the conservatives let out 74 terrorists early then?? Have you not been following it? they were convicted under the labour policy which was later changed unfortunately the law at the time when convicted has to be adhered to.
Ah, so it is labours fault? Who makes the decision on the early release of prisoners ? yes you havnt followed this very well at all have you? it was automatic release after serving 1/2 your sentence.
There is no such thing as ‘automatic release ‘ you really haven’t followed this very well, try and keep up Just try doing a bit of research about what you are discussing instead of just trying to be clever."Have you heard of The Imprisonment for Public Protection regime? Try to do some research instead of just trying to be clever | |||
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"Corbyn - Terrorists shouldn't necessarily finish their sentences Boris - Terrorists should complete every single day of their sentence they are handed Looks like Corbyn needs them out to vote for him!
Why did the conservatives let out 74 terrorists early then?? Have you not been following it? they were convicted under the labour policy which was later changed unfortunately the law at the time when convicted has to be adhered to.
Ah, so it is labours fault? Who makes the decision on the early release of prisoners ? yes you havnt followed this very well at all have you? it was automatic release after serving 1/2 your sentence.
There is no such thing as ‘automatic release ‘ you really haven’t followed this very well, try and keep up Just try doing a bit of research about what you are discussing instead of just trying to be clever.
Have you heard of The Imprisonment for Public Protection regime? Try to do some research instead of just trying to be clever "i dont need to mate he was released automatically on license as required by the law at the time he was convicted its as simple as that.Now who do you think im going to believe all the lawyers who are saying this or a bloke off fab? | |||
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"Corbyn - Terrorists shouldn't necessarily finish their sentences Boris - Terrorists should complete every single day of their sentence they are handed Looks like Corbyn needs them out to vote for him!
Why did the conservatives let out 74 terrorists early then?? Have you not been following it? they were convicted under the labour policy which was later changed unfortunately the law at the time when convicted has to be adhered to.
Ah, so it is labours fault? Who makes the decision on the early release of prisoners ? yes you havnt followed this very well at all have you? it was automatic release after serving 1/2 your sentence.
There is no such thing as ‘automatic release ‘ you really haven’t followed this very well, try and keep up Just try doing a bit of research about what you are discussing instead of just trying to be clever.
Have you heard of The Imprisonment for Public Protection regime? Try to do some research instead of just trying to be clever i dont need to mate he was released automatically on license as required by the law at the time he was convicted its as simple as that.Now who do you think im going to believe all the lawyers who are saying this or a bloke off fab?"Did you read about the imprisonment for public protection regime?? | |||
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"More than anything our justice system needs to focus on rehabilitation, to prevent future illegal activities. If we just withdraw people from society, it can fuel the problems that we want to stop. We don't invest enough in preventing what causes problems, which is miniscule against prison costs. Just wanting to sound tough cures nothing. " I agree, it is hilarious when the conservatives and labour blame each other for this when in reality they are both culpable | |||
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"More than anything our justice system needs to focus on rehabilitation, to prevent future illegal activities. If we just withdraw people from society, it can fuel the problems that we want to stop. We don't invest enough in preventing what causes problems, which is miniscule against prison costs. Just wanting to sound tough cures nothing. " Funny enough sophie thats what he was at when he stabbed 2 people to death,that went well. | |||
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"More than anything our justice system needs to focus on rehabilitation, to prevent future illegal activities. If we just withdraw people from society, it can fuel the problems that we want to stop. We don't invest enough in preventing what causes problems, which is miniscule against prison costs. Just wanting to sound tough cures nothing. I agree, it is hilarious when the conservatives and labour blame each other for this when in reality they are both culpable " I think you will find yvette cooper started the blame game on twitter last night until pritti patel pointed out when he was convicted. | |||
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"More than anything our justice system needs to focus on rehabilitation, to prevent future illegal activities. If we just withdraw people from society, it can fuel the problems that we want to stop. We don't invest enough in preventing what causes problems, which is miniscule against prison costs. Just wanting to sound tough cures nothing. I agree, it is hilarious when the conservatives and labour blame each other for this when in reality they are both culpable I think you will find yvette cooper started the blame game on twitter last night until pritti patel pointed out when he was convicted. "I am so sorry to hear that , when was he convicted? And when did the conservatives win the GE? | |||
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"after reading some of the comments on jezzas fb page yesterday its seems lots of labour supporters seem to think the torys set the whole thing up to win the election i kid you not." Really? I would of thought this would be more damaging to the Tories for most people as it happened under their watch. Given Corbyn's links and sympathies towards terrorism it could be said by some that there is only one leader capable of setting something like this up  | |||
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"after reading some of the comments on jezzas fb page yesterday its seems lots of labour supporters seem to think the torys set the whole thing up to win the election i kid you not. Really? I would of thought this would be more damaging to the Tories for most people as it happened under their watch. Given Corbyn's links and sympathies towards terrorism it could be said by some that there is only one leader capable of setting something like this up "It might have been Putin | |||
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"after reading some of the comments on jezzas fb page yesterday its seems lots of labour supporters seem to think the torys set the whole thing up to win the election i kid you not. Really? I would of thought this would be more damaging to the Tories for most people as it happened under their watch. Given Corbyn's links and sympathies towards terrorism it could be said by some that there is only one leader capable of setting something like this up "according to some on there yep its all down to the tories i didnt realise the paranoia of some of jezzas followers.the last election aswell according to some on there aswell.they really need to give there heads a proper wobble | |||
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"after reading some of the comments on jezzas fb page yesterday its seems lots of labour supporters seem to think the torys set the whole thing up to win the election i kid you not. Really? I would of thought this would be more damaging to the Tories for most people as it happened under their watch. Given Corbyn's links and sympathies towards terrorism it could be said by some that there is only one leader capable of setting something like this up
according to some on there yep its all down to the tories i didnt realise the paranoia of some of jezzas followers.the last election aswell according to some on there aswell.they really need to give there heads a proper wobble"The frightening thing is a lot of youngsters only get there sources from fb and will believe it. | |||
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"Again people. When people are killed in acts of terror it is time to draw together in solidarity. It is not the time the heartless to rub their hands together gleefully and say "How can we use this to strengthen our argument" Shame on us all "I agree with you, and condoned using it for political point scoring earlier in the thread. | |||
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"Corbyn - Terrorists shouldn't necessarily finish their sentences Boris - Terrorists should complete every single day of their sentence they are handed Looks like Corbyn needs them out to vote for him!
Why did the conservatives let out 74 terrorists early then?? Have you not been following it? they were convicted under the labour policy which was later changed unfortunately the law at the time when convicted has to be adhered to.
Ah, so it is labours fault? Who makes the decision on the early release of prisoners ? yes you havnt followed this very well at all have you? it was automatic release after serving 1/2 your sentence.
There is no such thing as ‘automatic release ‘ you really haven’t followed this very well, try and keep up Just try doing a bit of research about what you are discussing instead of just trying to be clever.
Have you heard of The Imprisonment for Public Protection regime? Try to do some research instead of just trying to be clever i dont need to mate he was released automatically on license as required by the law at the time he was convicted its as simple as that.Now who do you think im going to believe all the lawyers who are saying this or a bloke off fab?"Well it's not quite as simple as that. When he was convicted his sentence also included an Imprisonment for Public Protection, which meant that when his sentence was up if he was deemed a continued danger to the public he could be held indefinitely. Unfortunately for this case the law that provided for that indefinite detention was repealed in 2012. I don't need to tell you who was in power in 2012 do I? | |||
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"Corbyn - Terrorists shouldn't necessarily finish their sentences Boris - Terrorists should complete every single day of their sentence they are handed Looks like Corbyn needs them out to vote for him!
Why did the conservatives let out 74 terrorists early then?? Have you not been following it? they were convicted under the labour policy which was later changed unfortunately the law at the time when convicted has to be adhered to.
Ah, so it is labours fault? Who makes the decision on the early release of prisoners ? yes you havnt followed this very well at all have you? it was automatic release after serving 1/2 your sentence.
There is no such thing as ‘automatic release ‘ you really haven’t followed this very well, try and keep up Just try doing a bit of research about what you are discussing instead of just trying to be clever.
Have you heard of The Imprisonment for Public Protection regime? Try to do some research instead of just trying to be clever i dont need to mate he was released automatically on license as required by the law at the time he was convicted its as simple as that.Now who do you think im going to believe all the lawyers who are saying this or a bloke off fab?
Well it's not quite as simple as that. When he was convicted his sentence also included an Imprisonment for Public Protection, which meant that when his sentence was up if he was deemed a continued danger to the public he could be held indefinitely. Unfortunately for this case the law that provided for that indefinite detention was repealed in 2012. I don't need to tell you who was in power in 2012 do I?
"You probably do! Convicted under Labour. Sentenced to prison until no longer a risk, no matter how long that was. That type of sentence changed under coalition/con-lib in 2012 Released under Conservative rule into a decimated probation service which was disastrously privatised by the Conservatives Even if he has served his full sentence, this attack would just have been postponed - not prevented. Deradicalisation is the only solution - unless we go back to indefinite sentencing | |||
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"Do realise that Donald Trump and Boris Johnson have most probably recruited more jihadists with their Islamophobia than any radicalisation ever could. We need to end this cycle of hatred. Not feed it. Political fingpointing and blamestorming is exactly what these acts hope to achieve. Do you want to make them happy and give them what they want?" Trump and Johnson are an absolute dream come true for Isis and the like. | |||
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"u do realise this isnt like talkking to do ira dont u? there is no sitting down and talking they want you to follow there fucked up version of islam if you dont then they want you dead not just non muslims but muslims who dont follow there twisted version deradicalisation pah this guy had that and bullshited them.1st time he got back to london he killed so either throw away the key or cheaper option one straight between the eyes.no doubt sumone will be along to claim its all our fault" Not all Islamists are radicalised terrorists. Our leaders who attack Islam are playing straight into the hands of the extremists. Yes you are right. There is no way you are going to broker some kind of deal with terrorists even if we were so inclined. But radicalisation is a two way street. The impressionable youth can be influenced both ways. Threatening to put a bullet between their eyes isn't going to make friends of them. | |||
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"who wants to make friends with them cpl muslim mates of mine think the same as me.once theve gone over to that side they have gone and aint coming back so fuck em.i will sit ya down with my mates sister her son got blown to bits on 7/7 perhaps ya would like to explain to her they can be deradicalised.there bits of shit who should be treated as such.they aint even muslim there members of a death cult" I am talking about them being influenced before they are radicalised. Providing less ammunition for radicalisation instead of playing into their hands. My heart goes out to your sister and I am sorry for your loss. But I would hate for the goals of the people behind these atrocities to be achieved. | |||
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"not my sister my mates sis. and sorry maye far as im concerned once they head down that path it ends one way.and we have peeps wanting others brought back from syria.the west is a soft touch and these people know it.this latest guy was apparently deradicalised worked out well didnt it.fight fire with fire they wana fight dirty then so should the security services" What do you think the aim of these attacks is? | |||
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"erm to kill people mabey??? only reason its so basic is they cant get hold of explosives.make no mistake if they could kill tens of thousands in one hit they would.but we would still be expected to turn the other cheek and try and talk to them and understand them if u aint for them they want u dead and no talking will change that .im sure someone will be along soon to blame it on climate change or austerity." If their aim waa to kill people why not kill people on farms and outlying areas in serial killer fashion? 10 jihadists could probably take out 5 people a week each and operate for months without getting caught? Not a very effective way to kill people in front of the police and a public more likely to rush you than run away. So why always somewhere of significance? In the middle of somewhere that you expect you to feel safe? Because that's what they want. They need their jihadists to die. They need to make headlines. They want our politicians talking about it on TV. They want us talking about it in forums, homes and offices. They want to create an us and them scenario. They want people to be scared. They want airport checks and vigilance that affects every aspect of day to day life. They want anger. They want hotheads talking about retribution and invasions of the countries where the ideology originates. So are we giving them what they want? Why give your enemy what he wants? | |||
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"Again people. When people are killed in acts of terror it is time to draw together in solidarity. It is not the time the heartless to rub their hands together gleefully and say "How can we use this to strengthen our argument" Shame on us all "No shame on me, fuck that! If I had my way all terrorists either planning to murder or actually murdered I'd have the lot swinging from the rafters. No innocent people would die by their hands again. | |||
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"Again people. When people are killed in acts of terror it is time to draw together in solidarity. It is not the time the heartless to rub their hands together gleefully and say "How can we use this to strengthen our argument" Shame on us all
No shame on me, fuck that!
If I had my way all terrorists either planning to murder or actually murdered I'd have the lot swinging from the rafters.
No innocent people would die by their hands again. "Well firstly I am referring to people who rather tastelessly milk the tragedy of others for their own gain. Secondly I think ISIS would love it if we rounded up all the suspected terrorists and hung them from the rafters. Imagine how many new recruits they would get from all those martyrs. Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you Clearly our intelligence community understands more about counter terrorism than we do. | |||
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"just think we need a fact check here... Automatic early release was not “established in 2008” - the Conservatives legislated for automatic early release in 1991 so basiically again one side isn't quite telling the truth... anyway... i'll honour the wishes of the victims dad and say i don't think the death should be politicised to any persons advantage... but since you all want to squabble and point fingers... have at it!" 
I'm with you on that. It's not sensitive to these victims or any other victims of terrorism. I pointed this out before the attack and I'm doing it now. | |||
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"Corbyn - Terrorists shouldn't necessarily finish their sentences Boris - Terrorists should complete every single day of their sentence they are handed Looks like Corbyn needs them out to vote for him! "Looks to me like you are trying to score points using the latest innocent victims of terror - not a good idea - especially given that the lads parents asked people not to use him as a political football  | |||
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"Depending on your point of view, early release is either an expectation or a privilege. What should really happen is that those who input into the release of those that are not rehabilitated and commit further crimes of similar ilk to the original crime, should be suspended from making further decisions as they are clearly not fit to pass judgement." Sounds like a really simple idea - unfortunately its never quite that easy as the people who assess criminals state of minds (forensic psychologists) have to use their professional judgement and be willing to take a legal point of view which is generally the least worse scenario. A friend of mine is a forensic psychologist who has to deal on a day to day basis with some seriously evil and just plain mad people and its never as straightforward as you might hope especially where terrorism is concerned. He is a good man who has spent 30+ years doing his best to keep the mad bad and dangerous under control and the public safe and it pisses him off mightily when people come up with simplistic solutions like throwing him out of his lifes work because one nutter managed to lie his way through the net. | |||
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"It’s really hot nothing to do with labour or tory’s. It’s our outrageously lenient legal system . Bloody lawyers pleading their murdering bastad clients have reformed or were innocent in the first place . Soft, weak judges. Do gooders everywhere, CAJ, Human rights orgs, lefty social workers all bleating about the mental health of their murdering scum, totally ignoring the victims . It will never change unless we put the Israelis in charge of our justice system" Well that gets the Donald Trump mad batshit crazy loon post award for this week! Reward yourself with another drop of the hard stuff why dont you | |||
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"It’s really hot nothing to do with labour or tory’s. It’s our outrageously lenient legal system . Bloody lawyers pleading their murdering bastad clients have reformed or were innocent in the first place . Soft, weak judges. Do gooders everywhere, CAJ, Human rights orgs, lefty social workers all bleating about the mental health of their murdering scum, totally ignoring the victims . It will never change unless we put the Israelis in charge of our justice system Well that gets the Donald Trump mad batshit crazy loon post award for this week! Reward yourself with another drop of the hard stuff why dont you "You mean you haven’t noticed how practically everyone is innocent or gets out after a few years, then they give paedophiled and child murderers, anonymity, new identities, police protection , housing etc etc etc whilst the innocent victims get fuck all except a kick in the bollocks | |||
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"just think we need a fact check here... Automatic early release was not “established in 2008” - the Conservatives legislated for automatic early release in 1991 so basiically again one side isn't quite telling the truth... anyway... i'll honour the wishes of the victims dad and say i don't think the death should be politicised to any persons advantage... but since you all want to squabble and point fingers... have at it!" . | |||
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"I think we are specifically calling out the bullshit from BJ here. He claims this is Labours fault but says he will fix it - they have had 10 years and fixed nothing, they are culpable, don’t believe more bullshit! "To add to that it was Labour’s David Blunkett who introduced indeterminate sentencing for criminals and terrorist who were deemed a threat. This would have kept that man in Jail for years. But the policy was scrapped by the tories in 2012 and that is on record that they did. So bullshit Boris and his bunch of misfit miscreants were the authors of this tragedy. So far the tories have cut funding for prison officers, new jails, the probation service, and the police service. So before you get your proverbial knives out for Labour, think of what damage the tories have done to our prison system. | |||
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"I did slightly bulk when I got the guardian news feed "Fury as Tories politicise London bridge attack". Err yea and you didn't do that with Jo Cox did you ."It started with yvette cooper tweeting blaming the tories but the guardian is not going to say that now are they? | |||
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"Corbyn - Terrorists shouldn't necessarily finish their sentences Boris - Terrorists should complete every single day of their sentence they are handed Looks like Corbyn needs them out to vote for him!
Why did the conservatives let out 74 terrorists early then?? Have you not been following it? they were convicted under the labour policy which was later changed unfortunately the law at the time when convicted has to be adhered to. "Tory Austerity lead to cutbacks in re education. If you lock rm up for 10 20 30 40 years they'll still be terrorists without rehabilitation strategies to convert them. | |||
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"Depending on your point of view, early release is either an expectation or a privilege. What should really happen is that those who input into the release of those that are not rehabilitated and commit further crimes of similar ilk to the original crime, should be suspended from making further decisions as they are clearly not fit to pass judgement. Sounds like a really simple idea - unfortunately its never quite that easy as the people who assess criminals state of minds (forensic psychologists) have to use their professional judgement and be willing to take a legal point of view which is generally the least worse scenario. A friend of mine is a forensic psychologist who has to deal on a day to day basis with some seriously evil and just plain mad people and its never as straightforward as you might hope especially where terrorism is concerned. He is a good man who has spent 30+ years doing his best to keep the mad bad and dangerous under control and the public safe and it pisses him off mightily when people come up with simplistic solutions like throwing him out of his lifes work because one nutter managed to lie his way through the net. "If you get it wrong and it costs lives, you should be given the benefit of the doubt? Unfortunately there is no excuse for allowing a failure to be ignored. Nobody should be allowed to make the same mistake twice. | |||
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"I did slightly bulk when I got the guardian news feed "Fury as Tories politicise London bridge attack". Err yea and you didn't do that with Jo Cox did you ."The father did actually beg that his son's death not be used a political football. But that require human decency and respect for a life cut short. But I suppose that would be too much too ask for people to think of someone other than themselves. And respect? What is that these days? | |||
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"Depending on your point of view, early release is either an expectation or a privilege. What should really happen is that those who input into the release of those that are not rehabilitated and commit further crimes of similar ilk to the original crime, should be suspended from making further decisions as they are clearly not fit to pass judgement. Sounds like a really simple idea - unfortunately its never quite that easy as the people who assess criminals state of minds (forensic psychologists) have to use their professional judgement and be willing to take a legal point of view which is generally the least worse scenario. A friend of mine is a forensic psychologist who has to deal on a day to day basis with some seriously evil and just plain mad people and its never as straightforward as you might hope especially where terrorism is concerned. He is a good man who has spent 30+ years doing his best to keep the mad bad and dangerous under control and the public safe and it pisses him off mightily when people come up with simplistic solutions like throwing him out of his lifes work because one nutter managed to lie his way through the net.
If you get it wrong and it costs lives, you should be given the benefit of the doubt?
Unfortunately there is no excuse for allowing a failure to be ignored. Nobody should be allowed to make the same mistake twice."You do understand that life is a bit more complicated than that? Your knee jerk response is that an experienced professional should be sacked because the person he was assessing met the criteria for release and then went on to commit a terrible crime? Well I guess every time a surgeon loses a patient perhaps we should sack them or every time a lawyer loses a case and a criminal goes free they should be sacked? That’s going to work isn’t it! | |||
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"Depending on your point of view, early release is either an expectation or a privilege. What should really happen is that those who input into the release of those that are not rehabilitated and commit further crimes of similar ilk to the original crime, should be suspended from making further decisions as they are clearly not fit to pass judgement. Sounds like a really simple idea - unfortunately its never quite that easy as the people who assess criminals state of minds (forensic psychologists) have to use their professional judgement and be willing to take a legal point of view which is generally the least worse scenario. A friend of mine is a forensic psychologist who has to deal on a day to day basis with some seriously evil and just plain mad people and its never as straightforward as you might hope especially where terrorism is concerned. He is a good man who has spent 30+ years doing his best to keep the mad bad and dangerous under control and the public safe and it pisses him off mightily when people come up with simplistic solutions like throwing him out of his lifes work because one nutter managed to lie his way through the net.
If you get it wrong and it costs lives, you should be given the benefit of the doubt?
Unfortunately there is no excuse for allowing a failure to be ignored. Nobody should be allowed to make the same mistake twice."Yawn. Seriously? That's what systems are developed for - to catch inevitable human error and misjudgment. Sadly those of us without the ability to predict the future with 100% accuracy are not as perfect as you. So weird how your talents have not been recognised. | |||
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