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"Whichever way we all vote, let’s face it; we’re fucked. Corbyn -,dont need to trot why it’s a massive NO!!. Boris ; fucking buffoon. Swinson; same old same old Lib Dem. I mean who the fuck do we vote for ?. And then there’s NI, where it’s all green and orange; bigots or terrorists . We’re doomed." Yup ! Unfortunately yuve hit the nail on the head for me ! Bugger ! | |||
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change. "A vote for Corbyn is a vote for bankruptcy | |||
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change. A vote for Corbyn is a vote for bankruptcy " | |||
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change. A vote for Corbyn is a vote for bankruptcy "I didn't say it would be a good change... | |||
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change. "A vote for Johnson is a vote change too. Problem is neither of them are offering change for the better. | |||
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"The only change you’ll get from Boris is loose change in your pocket after he burns the economy with his Brexit.." On the ball today bob.  | |||
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change.
A vote for Johnson is a vote change too. Problem is neither of them are offering change for the better.
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change.
A vote for Johnson is a vote change too. Problem is neither of them are offering change for the better.
What do you think Johnson wants to change?"Well leaving the EU is a pretty big change IMHO | |||
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change.
A vote for Johnson is a vote change too. Problem is neither of them are offering change for the better.
What do you think Johnson wants to change?
Well leaving the EU is a pretty big change IMHO
"But that's not "Johnson's" idea. He's simply implementing righty or wrongly the referendum result. I would expect any leader to do the same. | |||
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change.
A vote for Johnson is a vote change too. Problem is neither of them are offering change for the better.
What do you think Johnson wants to change?
Well leaving the EU is a pretty big change IMHO
But that's not "Johnson's" idea. He's simply implementing righty or wrongly the referendum result. I would expect any leader to do the same. "I'd expect any leader to lead the country in the direction he felt was best, not just follow the crowd. If Johnson doesn't believe BREXIT is best for Britain he shouldn't do it. And if it's not his idea then why did he lead the campaign for it? | |||
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change.
A vote for Johnson is a vote change too. Problem is neither of them are offering change for the better.
What do you think Johnson wants to change?
Well leaving the EU is a pretty big change IMHO
But that's not "Johnson's" idea. He's simply implementing righty or wrongly the referendum result. I would expect any leader to do the same.
I'd expect any leader to lead the country in the direction he felt was best, not just follow the crowd. If Johnson doesn't believe BREXIT is best for Britain he shouldn't do it. And if it's not his idea then why did he lead the campaign for it?
"He's not "following the crowd" he's respecting the referendum result. As any leader should do at this time. | |||
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change.
A vote for Johnson is a vote change too. Problem is neither of them are offering change for the better.
What do you think Johnson wants to change?
Well leaving the EU is a pretty big change IMHO
But that's not "Johnson's" idea. He's simply implementing righty or wrongly the referendum result. I would expect any leader to do the same.
I'd expect any leader to lead the country in the direction he felt was best, not just follow the crowd. If Johnson doesn't believe BREXIT is best for Britain he shouldn't do it. And if it's not his idea then why did he lead the campaign for it?
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change.
A vote for Johnson is a vote change too. Problem is neither of them are offering change for the better.
What do you think Johnson wants to change?
Well leaving the EU is a pretty big change IMHO
But that's not "Johnson's" idea. He's simply implementing righty or wrongly the referendum result. I would expect any leader to do the same.
I'd expect any leader to lead the country in the direction he felt was best, not just follow the crowd. If Johnson doesn't believe BREXIT is best for Britain he shouldn't do it. And if it's not his idea then why did he lead the campaign for it?
He didn't lead the campaign to have a referendum."You will be getting this years award for captain of the fab debating team  | |||
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change.
A vote for Johnson is a vote change too. Problem is neither of them are offering change for the better.
What do you think Johnson wants to change?
Well leaving the EU is a pretty big change IMHO
But that's not "Johnson's" idea. He's simply implementing righty or wrongly the referendum result. I would expect any leader to do the same.
I'd expect any leader to lead the country in the direction he felt was best, not just follow the crowd. If Johnson doesn't believe BREXIT is best for Britain he shouldn't do it. And if it's not his idea then why did he lead the campaign for it?
He didn't lead the campaign to have a referendum."But he did lead the campaign to Leave the EU. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here and saying surly he believes in it. For me either he's either a leader who believes what he's doing which is not what I want, so I won't be voting for him, or he's following the crowd, in which case he's not a leader and still not doing what I want, so I still won't be voting for him. #ChickenBoris | |||
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"Whichever way we all vote, let’s face it; we’re fucked. Corbyn -,dont need to trot why it’s a massive NO!!. Boris ; fucking buffoon. Swinson; same old same old Lib Dem. I mean who the fuck do we vote for ?. And then there’s NI, where it’s all green and orange; bigots or terrorists . We’re doomed." Fully agreed | |||
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change.
A vote for Corbyn is a vote for bankruptcy "Also most probably true | |||
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"Whichever way we all vote, let’s face it; we’re fucked. Corbyn -,dont need to trot why it’s a massive NO!!. Boris ; fucking buffoon. Swinson; same old same old Lib Dem. I mean who the fuck do we vote for ?. And then there’s NI, where it’s all green and orange; bigots or terrorists . We’re doomed." I say you personally do not vote, its not like you’re enamoured with anyone of any party. So just chill, see the drama unfold and think to yourself, that you did not vote for any of them. | |||
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change.
A vote for Corbyn is a vote for bankruptcy
Also most probably true "Corbyn is like brexit, you don’t know what is going to happen until it happens. | |||
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change.
A vote for Corbyn is a vote for bankruptcy
Also most probably true
Corbyn is like brexit, you don’t know what is going to happen until it happens."True but just like Brexit you've got a dammed good idea though  | |||
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change.
A vote for Corbyn is a vote for bankruptcy
Also most probably true
Corbyn is like brexit, you don’t know what is going to happen until it happens.
True but just like Brexit you've got a dammed good idea though "Yeah, someone arguing its good and someone arguing its bad at the moment | |||
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"For a leader , a PM to not have an opinion on the biggest political issue in modern times is criminal. It’s pathetic" Sometimes its better to be objective than subjective. In this case, being neutral and following the wishes of the people, instead of trying to persuading someone either way is good. | |||
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change.
A vote for Corbyn is a vote for bankruptcy
Also most probably true
Corbyn is like brexit, you don’t know what is going to happen until it happens."Terrible analogy. We know Brexit is a massive bag of shit. | |||
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"For a leader , a PM to not have an opinion on the biggest political issue in modern times is criminal. It’s pathetic Sometimes its better to be objective than subjective. In this case, being neutral and following the wishes of the people, instead of trying to persuading someone either way is good. " I think that is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard anyone say. We are talking about a politician . A potential prime minister . Politicians have policies . Governments govern. Did you not know this?. Do you not know how countries are run ?... jeez | |||
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"For a leader , a PM to not have an opinion on the biggest political issue in modern times is criminal. It’s pathetic Sometimes its better to be objective than subjective. In this case, being neutral and following the wishes of the people, instead of trying to persuading someone either way is good. I think that is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard anyone say. We are talking about a politician . A potential prime minister . Politicians have policies . Governments govern. Did you not know this?. Do you not know how countries are run ?... jeez " I am sorry to see your lack of faith in people has led you down your particular path. All I can say to you is this. Consider that there are times when all the options before you would cause further conflict, maybe its time for change, maybe there has to be a way to ensure there peace, but it means that the best position is no position. This is that time. It better to break the cycle, Just as in NI those leaders decided the cycle needed to be broken, for the sake of peace. It takes a strong person to accept that they cannot fix the problem unless they get help. A weaker person will continue to tread the same path, make the same mistakes over and over again and never ask for help. Who would you rather follow? | |||
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change.
A vote for Corbyn is a vote for bankruptcy
Also most probably true
Corbyn is like brexit, you don’t know what is going to happen until it happens.
Terrible analogy.
We know Brexit is a massive bag of shit."I agree with you that we know BREXIT is a massive bag of shit. The problem you've got nearly all of those that think BREXIT is going to be great knowing that a Corbyn government would also be a bag of shit. But if it was just them you'd probably just about win, but it's not. A lot of people who know BREXIT is going to be a bag of shit also think a Corbyn government will be a bag of shit too and the question they're asking themselves is which bag of shit is least shity. Corbny has done little to nothing to persuade them so far that it's not him. | |||
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"For a leader , a PM to not have an opinion on the biggest political issue in modern times is criminal. It’s pathetic Sometimes its better to be objective than subjective. In this case, being neutral and following the wishes of the people, instead of trying to persuading someone either way is good. I think that is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard anyone say. We are talking about a politician . A potential prime minister . Politicians have policies . Governments govern. Did you not know this?. Do you not know how countries are run ?... jeez I am sorry to see your lack of faith in people has led you down your particular path. All I can say to you is this. Consider that there are times when all the options before you would cause further conflict, maybe its time for change, maybe there has to be a way to ensure there peace, but it means that the best position is no position. This is that time. It better to break the cycle, Just as in NI those leaders decided the cycle needed to be broken, for the sake of peace. It takes a strong person to accept that they cannot fix the problem unless they get help. A weaker person will continue to tread the same path, make the same mistakes over and over again and never ask for help. Who would you rather follow? " Not you or Corbyn that’s for sure. An indecisive leader is not a leader at all | |||
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"For a leader , a PM to not have an opinion on the biggest political issue in modern times is criminal. It’s pathetic Sometimes its better to be objective than subjective. In this case, being neutral and following the wishes of the people, instead of trying to persuading someone either way is good. I think that is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard anyone say. We are talking about a politician . A potential prime minister . Politicians have policies . Governments govern. Did you not know this?. Do you not know how countries are run ?... jeez I am sorry to see your lack of faith in people has led you down your particular path. All I can say to you is this. Consider that there are times when all the options before you would cause further conflict, maybe its time for change, maybe there has to be a way to ensure there peace, but it means that the best position is no position. This is that time. It better to break the cycle, Just as in NI those leaders decided the cycle needed to be broken, for the sake of peace. It takes a strong person to accept that they cannot fix the problem unless they get help. A weaker person will continue to tread the same path, make the same mistakes over and over again and never ask for help. Who would you rather follow? " You seem to be confusing a prime minister with a dictator! Lol | |||
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"Look at the voting record for your local MP. If you like the way they vote on a variety of issues. Crack on. If not, vote for someone else. I realise NI is different. And SF don't sit, and therefore have no voting record. But if none of the party leaders are appealing, look at your options locally." My local MP, the awful Nick Boles, isn't standing again, so I'm starting from scratch. At the time that I left for a short holiday, only two of the parties (LDs and Greens) had introduced themselves with their flyers. | |||
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change.
A vote for Corbyn is a vote for bankruptcy
Also most probably true
Corbyn is like brexit, you don’t know what is going to happen until it happens.
Terrible analogy.
We know Brexit is a massive bag of shit.
I agree with you that we know BREXIT is a massive bag of shit. The problem you've got nearly all of those that think BREXIT is going to be great knowing that a Corbyn government would also be a bag of shit. But if it was just them you'd probably just about win, but it's not. A lot of people who know BREXIT is going to be a bag of shit also think a Corbyn government will be a bag of shit too and the question they're asking themselves is which bag of shit is least shity. Corbny has done little to nothing to persuade them so far that it's not him.
"Fair enough. There are other options too. For those who feel like both main parties are equally unpalatable. | |||
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"Look at the voting record for your local MP. If you like the way they vote on a variety of issues. Crack on. If not, vote for someone else. I realise NI is different. And SF don't sit, and therefore have no voting record. But if none of the party leaders are appealing, look at your options locally. My local MP, the awful Nick Boles, isn't standing again, so I'm starting from scratch. At the time that I left for a short holiday, only two of the parties (LDs and Greens) had introduced themselves with their flyers. " I looked up nick Boles's voting record. Standard Tory. They don't seem to be leafleting around my way at all. On the electoral register I ticked the "do not share my details" box. So I don't get any direct post from any of them. | |||
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"For a leader , a PM to not have an opinion on the biggest political issue in modern times is criminal. It’s pathetic Sometimes its better to be objective than subjective. In this case, being neutral and following the wishes of the people, instead of trying to persuading someone either way is good. I think that is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard anyone say. We are talking about a politician . A potential prime minister . Politicians have policies . Governments govern. Did you not know this?. Do you not know how countries are run ?... jeez I am sorry to see your lack of faith in people has led you down your particular path. All I can say to you is this. Consider that there are times when all the options before you would cause further conflict, maybe its time for change, maybe there has to be a way to ensure there peace, but it means that the best position is no position. This is that time. It better to break the cycle, Just as in NI those leaders decided the cycle needed to be broken, for the sake of peace. It takes a strong person to accept that they cannot fix the problem unless they get help. A weaker person will continue to tread the same path, make the same mistakes over and over again and never ask for help. Who would you rather follow? Not you or Corbyn that’s for sure. An indecisive leader is not a leader at all" That’s fine, again I say, listen to reason, you cannot repeat the same thing and expect a different outcome. This is what is happening, until the cycle is broken, we are going to endlessly repeat the same mistake over and over again. | |||
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change. "Yep, because that's all we'll have left in our pockets. | |||
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"For a leader , a PM to not have an opinion on the biggest political issue in modern times is criminal. It’s pathetic Sometimes its better to be objective than subjective. In this case, being neutral and following the wishes of the people, instead of trying to persuading someone either way is good. I think that is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard anyone say. We are talking about a politician . A potential prime minister . Politicians have policies . Governments govern. Did you not know this?. Do you not know how countries are run ?... jeez I am sorry to see your lack of faith in people has led you down your particular path. All I can say to you is this. Consider that there are times when all the options before you would cause further conflict, maybe its time for change, maybe there has to be a way to ensure there peace, but it means that the best position is no position. This is that time. It better to break the cycle, Just as in NI those leaders decided the cycle needed to be broken, for the sake of peace. It takes a strong person to accept that they cannot fix the problem unless they get help. A weaker person will continue to tread the same path, make the same mistakes over and over again and never ask for help. Who would you rather follow? Not you or Corbyn that’s for sure. An indecisive leader is not a leader at all That’s fine, again I say, listen to reason, you cannot repeat the same thing and expect a different outcome. This is what is happening, until the cycle is broken, we are going to endlessly repeat the same mistake over and over again." Exactly you have answered your own reasoning a vote for corbyn will be years and years of the same leave, remain and getting nothing else done. | |||
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change.
A vote for Johnson is a vote change too. Problem is neither of them are offering change for the better.
What do you think Johnson wants to change?
Well leaving the EU is a pretty big change IMHO
But that's not "Johnson's" idea. He's simply implementing righty or wrongly the referendum result. I would expect any leader to do the same.
I'd expect any leader to lead the country in the direction he felt was best, not just follow the crowd. If Johnson doesn't believe BREXIT is best for Britain he shouldn't do it. And if it's not his idea then why did he lead the campaign for it?
He didn't lead the campaign to have a referendum.
But he did lead the campaign to Leave the EU. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here and saying surly he believes in it. For me either he's either a leader who believes what he's doing which is not what I want, so I won't be voting for him, or he's following the crowd, in which case he's not a leader and still not doing what I want, so I still won't be voting for him.
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"For a leader , a PM to not have an opinion on the biggest political issue in modern times is criminal. It’s pathetic Sometimes its better to be objective than subjective. In this case, being neutral and following the wishes of the people, instead of trying to persuading someone either way is good. I think that is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard anyone say. We are talking about a politician . A potential prime minister . Politicians have policies . Governments govern. Did you not know this?. Do you not know how countries are run ?... jeez I am sorry to see your lack of faith in people has led you down your particular path. All I can say to you is this. Consider that there are times when all the options before you would cause further conflict, maybe its time for change, maybe there has to be a way to ensure there peace, but it means that the best position is no position. This is that time. It better to break the cycle, Just as in NI those leaders decided the cycle needed to be broken, for the sake of peace. It takes a strong person to accept that they cannot fix the problem unless they get help. A weaker person will continue to tread the same path, make the same mistakes over and over again and never ask for help. Who would you rather follow? Not you or Corbyn that’s for sure. An indecisive leader is not a leader at all That’s fine, again I say, listen to reason, you cannot repeat the same thing and expect a different outcome. This is what is happening, until the cycle is broken, we are going to endlessly repeat the same mistake over and over again.Exactly you have answered your own reasoning a vote for corbyn will be years and years of the same leave, remain and getting nothing else done."  | |||
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"For a leader , a PM to not have an opinion on the biggest political issue in modern times is criminal. It’s pathetic Sometimes its better to be objective than subjective. In this case, being neutral and following the wishes of the people, instead of trying to persuading someone either way is good. I think that is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard anyone say. We are talking about a politician . A potential prime minister . Politicians have policies . Governments govern. Did you not know this?. Do you not know how countries are run ?... jeez I am sorry to see your lack of faith in people has led you down your particular path. All I can say to you is this. Consider that there are times when all the options before you would cause further conflict, maybe its time for change, maybe there has to be a way to ensure there peace, but it means that the best position is no position. This is that time. It better to break the cycle, Just as in NI those leaders decided the cycle needed to be broken, for the sake of peace. It takes a strong person to accept that they cannot fix the problem unless they get help. A weaker person will continue to tread the same path, make the same mistakes over and over again and never ask for help. Who would you rather follow? Not you or Corbyn that’s for sure. An indecisive leader is not a leader at all That’s fine, again I say, listen to reason, you cannot repeat the same thing and expect a different outcome. This is what is happening, until the cycle is broken, we are going to endlessly repeat the same mistake over and over again.Exactly you have answered your own reasoning a vote for corbyn will be years and years of the same leave, remain and getting nothing else done. "To play devils advocate. The Tories aren't getting anything done because they keep voting down their own deal. I'm not saying labour would be any better. But when the Tories have consistently voted against their own deal and specifically got nothing done. Why would you expect it to be different next time? | |||
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"For a leader , a PM to not have an opinion on the biggest political issue in modern times is criminal. It’s pathetic Sometimes its better to be objective than subjective. In this case, being neutral and following the wishes of the people, instead of trying to persuading someone either way is good. I think that is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard anyone say. We are talking about a politician . A potential prime minister . Politicians have policies . Governments govern. Did you not know this?. Do you not know how countries are run ?... jeez I am sorry to see your lack of faith in people has led you down your particular path. All I can say to you is this. Consider that there are times when all the options before you would cause further conflict, maybe its time for change, maybe there has to be a way to ensure there peace, but it means that the best position is no position. This is that time. It better to break the cycle, Just as in NI those leaders decided the cycle needed to be broken, for the sake of peace. It takes a strong person to accept that they cannot fix the problem unless they get help. A weaker person will continue to tread the same path, make the same mistakes over and over again and never ask for help. Who would you rather follow? Not you or Corbyn that’s for sure. An indecisive leader is not a leader at all That’s fine, again I say, listen to reason, you cannot repeat the same thing and expect a different outcome. This is what is happening, until the cycle is broken, we are going to endlessly repeat the same mistake over and over again.Exactly you have answered your own reasoning a vote for corbyn will be years and years of the same leave, remain and getting nothing else done.
To play devils advocate. The Tories aren't getting anything done because they keep voting down their own deal.
I'm not saying labour would be any better. But when the Tories have consistently voted against their own deal and specifically got nothing done. Why would you expect it to be different next time?"Because every tory candidate has signed up to voting for the current deal so if they get a majority we will be out. | |||
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"For a leader , a PM to not have an opinion on the biggest political issue in modern times is criminal. It’s pathetic Sometimes its better to be objective than subjective. In this case, being neutral and following the wishes of the people, instead of trying to persuading someone either way is good. I think that is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard anyone say. We are talking about a politician . A potential prime minister . Politicians have policies . Governments govern. Did you not know this?. Do you not know how countries are run ?... jeez I am sorry to see your lack of faith in people has led you down your particular path. All I can say to you is this. Consider that there are times when all the options before you would cause further conflict, maybe its time for change, maybe there has to be a way to ensure there peace, but it means that the best position is no position. This is that time. It better to break the cycle, Just as in NI those leaders decided the cycle needed to be broken, for the sake of peace. It takes a strong person to accept that they cannot fix the problem unless they get help. A weaker person will continue to tread the same path, make the same mistakes over and over again and never ask for help. Who would you rather follow? Not you or Corbyn that’s for sure. An indecisive leader is not a leader at all That’s fine, again I say, listen to reason, you cannot repeat the same thing and expect a different outcome. This is what is happening, until the cycle is broken, we are going to endlessly repeat the same mistake over and over again.Exactly you have answered your own reasoning a vote for corbyn will be years and years of the same leave, remain and getting nothing else done.
To play devils advocate. The Tories aren't getting anything done because they keep voting down their own deal.
I'm not saying labour would be any better. But when the Tories have consistently voted against their own deal and specifically got nothing done. Why would you expect it to be different next time?Because every tory candidate has signed up to voting for the current deal so if they get a majority we will be out."Boris signed up to Theresa May's deal didn't he? | |||
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"For a leader , a PM to not have an opinion on the biggest political issue in modern times is criminal. It’s pathetic Sometimes its better to be objective than subjective. In this case, being neutral and following the wishes of the people, instead of trying to persuading someone either way is good. I think that is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard anyone say. We are talking about a politician . A potential prime minister . Politicians have policies . Governments govern. Did you not know this?. Do you not know how countries are run ?... jeez I am sorry to see your lack of faith in people has led you down your particular path. All I can say to you is this. Consider that there are times when all the options before you would cause further conflict, maybe its time for change, maybe there has to be a way to ensure there peace, but it means that the best position is no position. This is that time. It better to break the cycle, Just as in NI those leaders decided the cycle needed to be broken, for the sake of peace. It takes a strong person to accept that they cannot fix the problem unless they get help. A weaker person will continue to tread the same path, make the same mistakes over and over again and never ask for help. Who would you rather follow? Not you or Corbyn that’s for sure. An indecisive leader is not a leader at all That’s fine, again I say, listen to reason, you cannot repeat the same thing and expect a different outcome. This is what is happening, until the cycle is broken, we are going to endlessly repeat the same mistake over and over again.Exactly you have answered your own reasoning a vote for corbyn will be years and years of the same leave, remain and getting nothing else done.
To play devils advocate. The Tories aren't getting anything done because they keep voting down their own deal.
I'm not saying labour would be any better. But when the Tories have consistently voted against their own deal and specifically got nothing done. Why would you expect it to be different next time?Because every tory candidate has signed up to voting for the current deal so if they get a majority we will be out."Have they though? They seem to be a changeable bunch. Johnson voted against the deal. Then championed it. It seems like plenty of candidates who voted against it. Are restanding. | |||
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"seems a simple choice to me if you want to leave vote tory if you want to stay vote lib/dem, snp in scotland and if you want to continue with the pantomime we have had for the last 3 years vote labour (unless they get a big majority)" What about the Brexit party? They are promising ‘real’ Brexit | |||
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"seems a simple choice to me if you want to leave vote tory if you want to stay vote lib/dem, snp in scotland and if you want to continue with the pantomime we have had for the last 3 years vote labour (unless they get a big majority) What about the Brexit party? They are promising ‘real’ Brexit "You really need to keep up the brexit party are not fielding enough candidates to form a government. | |||
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"seems a simple choice to me if you want to leave vote tory if you want to stay vote lib/dem, snp in scotland and if you want to continue with the pantomime we have had for the last 3 years vote labour (unless they get a big majority) What about the Brexit party? They are promising ‘real’ Brexit You really need to keep up the brexit party are not fielding enough candidates to form a government."You really need to answer my question? The Brexit party are promising ‘real brexit’ so why shouldn’t leave voters vote for them, try and keep up ? | |||
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"seems a simple choice to me if you want to leave vote tory if you want to stay vote lib/dem, snp in scotland and if you want to continue with the pantomime we have had for the last 3 years vote labour (unless they get a big majority) What about the Brexit party? They are promising ‘real’ Brexit You really need to keep up the brexit party are not fielding enough candidates to form a government.
You really need to answer my question? The Brexit party are promising ‘real brexit’ so why shouldn’t leave voters vote for them, try and keep up ? "I have answered because they cannot form a government as they dont have enough candidates its simple maths really. | |||
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change.
A vote for Johnson is a vote change too. Problem is neither of them are offering change for the better.
What do you think Johnson wants to change?
Well leaving the EU is a pretty big change IMHO
"He's been preventing it for quite some time, if you look at his voting and behaviour under May. He's an opportunist, who's only been acting for his own interest and a very select few. Implementating change that works well for the very rich but is catastrophic for most, is a stupid direction to take. Corbyn has many of the right directions in mind, albeit those that the billionaire media owners will try to convince millions of people are in their interests 
Corbyn isn't particularly much other than a moderate, with his type of approach most needed after savage cuts that have undermined the wellbeing of the UK. It's dangerous times for the country, so moderation of right wing extremism is called for | |||
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change.
A vote for Johnson is a vote change too. Problem is neither of them are offering change for the better.
What do you think Johnson wants to change?
Well leaving the EU is a pretty big change IMHO
He's been preventing it for quite some time, if you look at his voting and behaviour under May. He's an opportunist, who's only been acting for his own interest and a very select few.
Implementating change that works well for the very rich but is catastrophic for most, is a stupid direction to take.
Corbyn has many of the right directions in mind, albeit those that the billionaire media owners will try to convince millions of people are in their interests
Corbyn isn't particularly much other than a moderate, with his type of approach most needed after savage cuts that have undermined the wellbeing of the UK. It's dangerous times for the country, so moderation of right wing extremism is called for "As i said unless corbyn gets a large majority we will continue with the same old crap any deal he gets(if he can at all) the tories,snp lib/dems will vote against along with his remain mp,s it would be exactly the same as the last 3 years but with labour in power and getting blocked at every turn. | |||
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"seems a simple choice to me if you want to leave vote tory if you want to stay vote lib/dem, snp in scotland and if you want to continue with the pantomime we have had for the last 3 years vote labour (unless they get a big majority)" So you're suggesting, that people who want more of what the Tories have been doing, should vote Labour? That makes no sense. | |||
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"seems a simple choice to me if you want to leave vote tory if you want to stay vote lib/dem, snp in scotland and if you want to continue with the pantomime we have had for the last 3 years vote labour (unless they get a big majority) So you're suggesting, that people who want more of what the Tories have been doing, should vote Labour? That makes no sense." Thats exactly what they will get mate more insecurity more delay and nothing else done just like the last 3 years.The lib/dems and snp dont want to leave some of the labour party do and others dont and the tories will do exactly as corbyn has and vote against everything. | |||
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"seems a simple choice to me if you want to leave vote tory if you want to stay vote lib/dem, snp in scotland and if you want to continue with the pantomime we have had for the last 3 years vote labour (unless they get a big majority) So you're suggesting, that people who want more of what the Tories have been doing, should vote Labour? That makes no sense.Thats exactly what they will get mate more insecurity more delay and nothing else done just like the last 3 years.The lib/dems and snp dont want to leave some of the labour party do and others dont and the tories will do exactly as corbyn has and vote against everything. " Alas. If only we didn't have the whole brexit bullshit to take up all the time. Maybe they could be getting on with something else. Still. I don't buy the, if you want more of what the Tories have been doing, vote Labour. Surely if you want more of what the Tories have been doing. Vote Tory. | |||
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change.
A vote for Johnson is a vote change too. Problem is neither of them are offering change for the better.
What do you think Johnson wants to change?
Well leaving the EU is a pretty big change IMHO
But that's not "Johnson's" idea. He's simply implementing righty or wrongly the referendum result. I would expect any leader to do the same.
I'd expect any leader to lead the country in the direction he felt was best, not just follow the crowd. If Johnson doesn't believe BREXIT is best for Britain he shouldn't do it. And if it's not his idea then why did he lead the campaign for it?
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"seems a simple choice to me if you want to leave vote tory if you want to stay vote lib/dem, snp in scotland and if you want to continue with the pantomime we have had for the last 3 years vote labour (unless they get a big majority) What about the Brexit party? They are promising ‘real’ Brexit You really need to keep up the brexit party are not fielding enough candidates to form a government.
You really need to answer my question? The Brexit party are promising ‘real brexit’ so why shouldn’t leave voters vote for them, try and keep up ? I have answered because they cannot form a government as they dont have enough candidates its simple maths really. "The Brexit Party could win a minority and form a coalition government, highly unlikely but not impossible | |||
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change.
A vote for Johnson is a vote change too. Problem is neither of them are offering change for the better.
What do you think Johnson wants to change?
Well leaving the EU is a pretty big change IMHO
But that's not "Johnson's" idea. He's simply implementing righty or wrongly the referendum result. I would expect any leader to do the same.
I'd expect any leader to lead the country in the direction he felt was best, not just follow the crowd. If Johnson doesn't believe BREXIT is best for Britain he shouldn't do it. And if it's not his idea then why did he lead the campaign for it?
Same with Corbyn.... Gling to negotiate a deal, put tgat and remain to the country in a referendum, will remain neutral throughout, and then will implement what the result of that referendum is."It aint cos he’s old or stupid! He knows that the only way to put this to bed and satisfy the country is to make a realistic plan and give everyone a vote on whether they want it or not. The tories have spent the last three years pissing in their own backyard and wasting everyone’s time with their infighting so anyone with half an idea would see that JCs plan is actually workable as the final choice is down to the people here and now. Democracy is a living thing and the reason we are so fucked by the referendum is because it was an astoundingly stupid idea that left most of the voters appalled by what had happened. So you either try to clear the air and move forward or carry on limping along with what inevitably will be a compromised hung parliament and the huge anger that will generate in the general populace. I don’t believe the Tories can win without some kind of coalition despite all the BS they are putting forward but Dec 12th will tell. | |||
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"For a leader , a PM to not have an opinion on the biggest political issue in modern times is criminal. It’s pathetic Sometimes its better to be objective than subjective. In this case, being neutral and following the wishes of the people, instead of trying to persuading someone either way is good. I think that is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard anyone say. We are talking about a politician . A potential prime minister . Politicians have policies . Governments govern. Did you not know this?. Do you not know how countries are run ?... jeez I am sorry to see your lack of faith in people has led you down your particular path. All I can say to you is this. Consider that there are times when all the options before you would cause further conflict, maybe its time for change, maybe there has to be a way to ensure there peace, but it means that the best position is no position. This is that time. It better to break the cycle, Just as in NI those leaders decided the cycle needed to be broken, for the sake of peace. It takes a strong person to accept that they cannot fix the problem unless they get help. A weaker person will continue to tread the same path, make the same mistakes over and over again and never ask for help. Who would you rather follow? Not you or Corbyn that’s for sure. An indecisive leader is not a leader at all That’s fine, again I say, listen to reason, you cannot repeat the same thing and expect a different outcome. This is what is happening, until the cycle is broken, we are going to endlessly repeat the same mistake over and over again.Exactly you have answered your own reasoning a vote for corbyn will be years and years of the same leave, remain and getting nothing else done. "Would it though? Maybe you will get more people supporting a Labour Brexit than a Tory brexit. At the moment now many, many remainers are in the mindset of leaving with a better deal under Corbyn than Boris, and in the end isn’t that the end goal? Don’t you want a United Kingdom rather than a broken one? | |||
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"Whichever way we all vote, let’s face it; we’re fucked. Corbyn -,dont need to trot why it’s a massive NO!!. Boris ; fucking buffoon. Swinson; same old same old Lib Dem. I mean who the fuck do we vote for ?. And then there’s NI, where it’s all green and orange; bigots or terrorists . We’re doomed." | |||
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change. A vote for Corbyn is a vote for bankruptcy " so true | |||
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change. A vote for Corbyn is a vote for bankruptcy so true"The Tories have been trashing the economy and essential services of this country for 9 years. Why should anybody think they're stronger on the economy than other parties? | |||
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change. A vote for Corbyn is a vote for bankruptcy so true"I don’t think you have any evidence for this, just opinion. Whereas we have clear irrefutable proof that BL lies and the Tory’s have only delivered (late) fuck ups in th past 10 years! HS2 Crossrail Brexit NHS reform... Council spending cuts Social Care failure Prison reform Defence review Austerity ... | |||
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change. A vote for Corbyn is a vote for bankruptcy so true
I don’t think you have any evidence for this, just opinion. Whereas we have clear irrefutable proof that BL lies and the Tory’s have only delivered (late) fuck ups in th past 10 years!
HS2
Crossrail
Brexit
NHS reform...
Council spending cuts
Social Care failure
Prison reform
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Austerity
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"A vote for boris is a vote for shit on your hands" And a vote for Corbyn is a vote for anti semetism , anti business, pro Russia, pro loony left policies, pro bankrupting the UK economy, pro Iran/Iraq , anti British forces , anti NATO, anti USA, pro terrorism, pro IRA, pro white feathers, pro criminals | |||
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"If you were recruiting, would you hire an employee who'd been sacked from two of his previous employers for lying and lies directly to your face? It's a yes/no answer. Mine is no. That at least narrows the field." If you were an employer would you hire someone who voted against your company 428 times , against strict instructions ; making him the most disloyal employee of all time?, someone who fully supported the IRA and actively campaigned for a united ireland? | |||
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"A vote for boris is a vote for shit on your hands And a vote for Corbyn is a vote for anti semetism , anti business, pro Russia, pro loony left policies, pro bankrupting the UK economy, pro Iran/Iraq , anti British forces , anti NATO, anti USA, pro terrorism, pro IRA, pro white feathers, pro criminals" So the list of faillings of the Tory government I gave earlier are all real and evidence of total incompetence. You are making ‘claims’ about Corbyn which do not stand up to scrutiny. Just rehashing right wing scare stories is weak. BJ has been anti business, anti muslim, pro Russia, pro bankrupting the UK economy, pro breaking up the Union, pro putting a border down the Irish Sea, pro alienating our trading partners, pro lies & anti truth... | |||
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"A vote for boris is a vote for shit on your hands And a vote for Corbyn is a vote for anti semetism , anti business, pro Russia, pro loony left policies, pro bankrupting the UK economy, pro Iran/Iraq , anti British forces , anti NATO, anti USA, pro terrorism, pro IRA, pro white feathers, pro criminals So the list of faillings of the Tory government I gave earlier are all real and evidence of total incompetence. You are making ‘claims’ about Corbyn which do not stand up to scrutiny. Just rehashing right wing scare stories is weak. BJ has been anti business, anti muslim, pro Russia, pro bankrupting the UK economy, pro breaking up the Union, pro putting a border down the Irish Sea, pro alienating our trading partners, pro lies & anti truth..." Every single word I said about Corbyn is 100% true. Look it up | |||
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"A vote for boris is a vote for shit on your hands And a vote for Corbyn is a vote for anti semetism , anti business, pro Russia, pro loony left policies, pro bankrupting the UK economy, pro Iran/Iraq , anti British forces , anti NATO, anti USA, pro terrorism, pro IRA, pro white feathers, pro criminals So the list of faillings of the Tory government I gave earlier are all real and evidence of total incompetence. You are making ‘claims’ about Corbyn which do not stand up to scrutiny. Just rehashing right wing scare stories is weak. BJ has been anti business, anti muslim, pro Russia, pro bankrupting the UK economy, pro breaking up the Union, pro putting a border down the Irish Sea, pro alienating our trading partners, pro lies & anti truth... Every single word I said about Corbyn is 100% true. Look it up" Even you know that is not true. You are making it up or your source is. | |||
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"If you were recruiting, would you hire an employee who'd been sacked from two of his previous employers for lying and lies directly to your face? It's a yes/no answer. Mine is no. That at least narrows the field. If you were an employer would you hire someone who voted against your company 428 times , against strict instructions ; making him the most disloyal employee of all time?, someone who fully supported the IRA and actively campaigned for a united ireland?" I didn't say that I'd vote for Corbyn. However, in principle I value staff who'll speak up if they disagree with me. They might be correct. If you are comfortable with counting on the promises of a regular liar than good for you. That's faith. Be clear though, Johnson is far more likely to create a united Ireland than Corbyn ever could. | |||
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"A vote for boris is a vote for shit on your hands And a vote for Corbyn is a vote for anti semetism , anti business, pro Russia, pro loony left policies, pro bankrupting the UK economy, pro Iran/Iraq , anti British forces , anti NATO, anti USA, pro terrorism, pro IRA, pro white feathers, pro criminals So the list of faillings of the Tory government I gave earlier are all real and evidence of total incompetence. You are making ‘claims’ about Corbyn which do not stand up to scrutiny. Just rehashing right wing scare stories is weak. BJ has been anti business, anti muslim, pro Russia, pro bankrupting the UK economy, pro breaking up the Union, pro putting a border down the Irish Sea, pro alienating our trading partners, pro lies & anti truth... Every single word I said about Corbyn is 100% true. Look it up Even you know that is not true. You are making it up or your source is. "What isn’t true ? Do tell ? | |||
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"A vote for boris is a vote for shit on your hands And a vote for Corbyn is a vote for anti semetism , anti business, pro Russia, pro loony left policies, pro bankrupting the UK economy, pro Iran/Iraq , anti British forces , anti NATO, anti USA, pro terrorism, pro IRA, pro white feathers, pro criminals So the list of faillings of the Tory government I gave earlier are all real and evidence of total incompetence. You are making ‘claims’ about Corbyn which do not stand up to scrutiny. Just rehashing right wing scare stories is weak. BJ has been anti business, anti muslim, pro Russia, pro bankrupting the UK economy, pro breaking up the Union, pro putting a border down the Irish Sea, pro alienating our trading partners, pro lies & anti truth... Every single word I said about Corbyn is 100% true. Look it up Even you know that is not true. You are making it up or your source is.
What isn’t true ? Do tell ?"You've cleary been reading right wing smears and outright lies. You can easily look up the truth for yourself, but you'd just disbelieve the facts anyway. If I told you any facts, you'd argue they were fake or wrong. It's depressing how thoroughly certain media convince people that lies are true and facts are false.  | |||
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"A vote for Corbyn is a vote for change.
A vote for Johnson is a vote change too. Problem is neither of them are offering change for the better.
What do you think Johnson wants to change?
Well leaving the EU is a pretty big change IMHO
But that's not "Johnson's" idea. He's simply implementing righty or wrongly the referendum result. I would expect any leader to do the same.
I'd expect any leader to lead the country in the direction he felt was best, not just follow the crowd. If Johnson doesn't believe BREXIT is best for Britain he shouldn't do it. And if it's not his idea then why did he lead the campaign for it?
Same with Corbyn.... Gling to negotiate a deal, put tgat and remain to the country in a referendum, will remain neutral throughout, and then will implement what the result of that referendum is.
It aint cos he’s old or stupid! He knows that the only way to put this to bed and satisfy the country is to make a realistic plan and give everyone a vote on whether they want it or not. The tories have spent the last three years pissing in their own backyard and wasting everyone’s time with their infighting so anyone with half an idea would see that JCs plan is actually workable as the final choice is down to the people here and now. Democracy is a living thing and the reason we are so fucked by the referendum is because it was an astoundingly stupid idea that left most of the voters appalled by what had happened. So you either try to clear the air and move forward or carry on limping along with what inevitably will be a compromised hung parliament and the huge anger that will generate in the general populace. I don’t believe the Tories can win without some kind of coalition despite all the BS they are putting forward but Dec 12th will tell."So Corbyn is going to 'follow the crowd' then? Hasn't got his own opinion on what is and isn't right for the country regarding leave or remain. "The final choice is down to the people".... You mean like a "once in a generation referendum"? | |||
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"If you were recruiting, would you hire an employee who'd been sacked from two of his previous employers for lying and lies directly to your face? It's a yes/no answer. Mine is no. That at least narrows the field." If you're a remainer would you vote for someone who has consistently voted against the EU? If you're a leaver would you vote for someone who is going to sell you down the river? | |||
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"If you were recruiting, would you hire an employee who'd been sacked from two of his previous employers for lying and lies directly to your face? It's a yes/no answer. Mine is no. That at least narrows the field. If you're a remainer would you vote for someone who has consistently voted against the EU? If you're a leaver would you vote for someone who is going to sell you down the river?" Cannot answer then? Yes/no to employing a known liar? Implicitly you are saying yes you would. Why's that so hard to write? I would consider voting for Corbyn as his EU policy is to follow through whichever option is decided on a second referendum bases on a known deal. You just complained about it. The majority of the Labour party membership and it's MPs are pro-remain. How can you be "sold down the river" if there is another referendum based on confirmed options? | |||
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"If you were recruiting, would you hire an employee who'd been sacked from two of his previous employers for lying and lies directly to your face? It's a yes/no answer. Mine is no. That at least narrows the field. If you're a remainer would you vote for someone who has consistently voted against the EU? If you're a leaver would you vote for someone who is going to sell you down the river?" You didn't ask me. But I'll chip in. Where I live, the MP who consistently voted against the EU, also consistently voted against measures to protect the environment, against marriage equality, against LGBT rights, in favour of armed military action, in favour of austerity etc. So the EU thing is only one factor. But lines up with everything else I disagree on. | |||
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"If you were recruiting, would you hire an employee who'd been sacked from two of his previous employers for lying and lies directly to your face? It's a yes/no answer. Mine is no. That at least narrows the field. If you're a remainer would you vote for someone who has consistently voted against the EU? If you're a leaver would you vote for someone who is going to sell you down the river? Cannot answer then? Yes/no to employing a known liar? Implicitly you are saying yes you would. Why's that so hard to write? I would consider voting for Corbyn as his EU policy is to follow through whichever option is decided on a second referendum bases on a known deal. You just complained about it. The majority of the Labour party membership and it's MPs are pro-remain. How can you be "sold down the river" if there is another referendum based on confirmed options?" It's not that I cannot answer. I'm voting for neither of them. But if you were to ask me if there was a choice only between those two fuckwits, which one I would rather not see in No 10? In would have to be Corbyn. Corbyn was only, is only, and will only ever be nothing more than a protest politician. It's very easy to criticise others, even vkting against your own 500 times, from the sidelines. But to lead you must be able to lead, to inspire, to show direction, to make the hard decisions... And he has proven himself to be spectacularly unable to do that in the non-commital answers he gives. Plus, he can't even put his glasses on straight. | |||
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"A vote for boris is a vote for shit on your hands And a vote for Corbyn is a vote for anti semetism , anti business, pro Russia, pro loony left policies, pro bankrupting the UK economy, pro Iran/Iraq , anti British forces , anti NATO, anti USA, pro terrorism, pro IRA, pro white feathers, pro criminals" That myth is so busted dude! What you know cannot fit on the back of a postage stamp! | |||
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"A vote for boris is a vote for shit on your hands And a vote for Corbyn is a vote for anti semetism , anti business, pro Russia, pro loony left policies, pro bankrupting the UK economy, pro Iran/Iraq , anti British forces , anti NATO, anti USA, pro terrorism, pro IRA, pro white feathers, pro criminals That myth is so busted dude! What you know cannot fit on the back of a postage stamp!" Myth?... ha ha ha ha ha ha | |||
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"A vote for boris is a vote for shit on your hands And a vote for Corbyn is a vote for anti semetism , anti business, pro Russia, pro loony left policies, pro bankrupting the UK economy, pro Iran/Iraq , anti British forces , anti NATO, anti USA, pro terrorism, pro IRA, pro white feathers, pro criminals That myth is so busted dude! What you know cannot fit on the back of a postage stamp! Myth?... ha ha ha ha ha ha" If you exclusively believe what's written in the Daily Mail or Daily Express over actual real life information. Then what hope is there! | |||
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"If you were recruiting, would you hire an employee who'd been sacked from two of his previous employers for lying and lies directly to your face? It's a yes/no answer. Mine is no. That at least narrows the field. If you're a remainer would you vote for someone who has consistently voted against the EU? If you're a leaver would you vote for someone who is going to sell you down the river? Cannot answer then? Yes/no to employing a known liar? Implicitly you are saying yes you would. Why's that so hard to write? I would consider voting for Corbyn as his EU policy is to follow through whichever option is decided on a second referendum bases on a known deal. You just complained about it. The majority of the Labour party membership and it's MPs are pro-remain. How can you be "sold down the river" if there is another referendum based on confirmed options? It's not that I cannot answer. I'm voting for neither of them. But if you were to ask me if there was a choice only between those two fuckwits, which one I would rather not see in No 10? In would have to be Corbyn. Corbyn was only, is only, and will only ever be nothing more than a protest politician. It's very easy to criticise others, even vkting against your own 500 times, from the sidelines. But to lead you must be able to lead, to inspire, to show direction, to make the hard decisions... And he has proven himself to be spectacularly unable to do that in the non-commital answers he gives. Plus, he can't even put his glasses on straight." What makes you believe that I'm voting for Corbyn. At the very least Corbyn has been consistent with his views, even if many of them are unrealistic or wrong-headed. Bojer lies or changes his position to suit himself. He supported May's deal, quit then negotiated a "new" deal that's almost identical just slightly worse. Your measure of "character" is different to mine. | |||
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"A vote for boris is a vote for shit on your hands And a vote for Corbyn is a vote for anti semetism , anti business, pro Russia, pro loony left policies, pro bankrupting the UK economy, pro Iran/Iraq , anti British forces , anti NATO, anti USA, pro terrorism, pro IRA, pro white feathers, pro criminals That myth is so busted dude! What you know cannot fit on the back of a postage stamp! Myth?... ha ha ha ha ha ha If you exclusively believe what's written in the Daily Mail or Daily Express over actual real life information. Then what hope is there!" Yeah there has been a world wide conspiracy for 30 years against him!!!. Even when he was just a loony extreme lefty on the back benches , the media were just making up stories about him, Hansard was altered, tv interviews used doubles to stand in for him. Meetings he had with terrorist leaders also had a stand in. Terrorists he invited into the Houses of Parliament were 3D laser holograms . There is no anti semetism in the Labour Party since he became leader. It’s a conspiracy. He is in fact a badly maligned normal chappie loved by the parliamentary Labour Party , Jews and victims of terrorism. A bit like Abbot who never actually said that every Ira attack was a victory against the state . No wait - she did say that cos she admitted it on the Andrew Marr show. Oh god it’s confusing. Must have been that body double the secret services use of her. Can’t trust anyone these days. Maybe it’s because she called for our security service to be disbanded is why they are trying to make her a tad foolish. This forum is wonderful ; I learn so much from you... thank you for putting me right | |||
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"A vote for boris is a vote for shit on your hands And a vote for Corbyn is a vote for anti semetism , anti business, pro Russia, pro loony left policies, pro bankrupting the UK economy, pro Iran/Iraq , anti British forces , anti NATO, anti USA, pro terrorism, pro IRA, pro white feathers, pro criminals That myth is so busted dude! What you know cannot fit on the back of a postage stamp! Myth?... ha ha ha ha ha ha If you exclusively believe what's written in the Daily Mail or Daily Express over actual real life information. Then what hope is there! Yeah there has been a world wide conspiracy for 30 years against him!!!. Even when he was just a loony extreme lefty on the back benches , the media were just making up stories about him, Hansard was altered, tv interviews used doubles to stand in for him. Meetings he had with terrorist leaders also had a stand in. Terrorists he invited into the Houses of Parliament were 3D laser holograms . There is no anti semetism in the Labour Party since he became leader. It’s a conspiracy. He is in fact a badly maligned normal chappie loved by the parliamentary Labour Party , Jews and victims of terrorism. A bit like Abbot who never actually said that every Ira attack was a victory against the state . No wait - she did say that cos she admitted it on the Andrew Marr show. Oh god it’s confusing. Must have been that body double the secret services use of her. Can’t trust anyone these days. Maybe it’s because she called for our security service to be disbanded is why they are trying to make her a tad foolish. This forum is wonderful ; I learn so much from you... thank you for putting me right" So why do they keep voting him in as an MP? Perhaps Islington is a secret enclave of terrorist supporting lefty intellectuals who want to bring down the country and turn us all into communist drones? What do you think? | |||
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"A vote for boris is a vote for shit on your hands And a vote for Corbyn is a vote for anti semetism , anti business, pro Russia, pro loony left policies, pro bankrupting the UK economy, pro Iran/Iraq , anti British forces , anti NATO, anti USA, pro terrorism, pro IRA, pro white feathers, pro criminals That myth is so busted dude! What you know cannot fit on the back of a postage stamp! Myth?... ha ha ha ha ha ha If you exclusively believe what's written in the Daily Mail or Daily Express over actual real life information. Then what hope is there! Yeah there has been a world wide conspiracy for 30 years against him!!!. Even when he was just a loony extreme lefty on the back benches , the media were just making up stories about him, Hansard was altered, tv interviews used doubles to stand in for him. Meetings he had with terrorist leaders also had a stand in. Terrorists he invited into the Houses of Parliament were 3D laser holograms . There is no anti semetism in the Labour Party since he became leader. It’s a conspiracy. He is in fact a badly maligned normal chappie loved by the parliamentary Labour Party , Jews and victims of terrorism. A bit like Abbot who never actually said that every Ira attack was a victory against the state . No wait - she did say that cos she admitted it on the Andrew Marr show. Oh god it’s confusing. Must have been that body double the secret services use of her. Can’t trust anyone these days. Maybe it’s because she called for our security service to be disbanded is why they are trying to make her a tad foolish. This forum is wonderful ; I learn so much from you... thank you for putting me right" This is a poor quality rant. I assume you're trying to be sarcastic. But honestly I am struggling to find any meaningful content. My main point seems to be proved though. Someone who blindly believes anything they read in the mainstream media without thought or question is beyond any form of reasoned debate. There is plenty wrong with Labours manifesto, but this gets lost amongst the absolute bullshit that's printed about Corbyn. Ironically this just makes genuine criticism easy for his supporters to ignore. They just lump it in with the bollocks about him being a terrorist sympathiser etc. | |||
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"A vote for boris is a vote for shit on your hands And a vote for Corbyn is a vote for anti semetism , anti business, pro Russia, pro loony left policies, pro bankrupting the UK economy, pro Iran/Iraq , anti British forces , anti NATO, anti USA, pro terrorism, pro IRA, pro white feathers, pro criminals That myth is so busted dude! What you know cannot fit on the back of a postage stamp! Myth?... ha ha ha ha ha ha If you exclusively believe what's written in the Daily Mail or Daily Express over actual real life information. Then what hope is there! Yeah there has been a world wide conspiracy for 30 years against him!!!. Even when he was just a loony extreme lefty on the back benches , the media were just making up stories about him, Hansard was altered, tv interviews used doubles to stand in for him. Meetings he had with terrorist leaders also had a stand in. Terrorists he invited into the Houses of Parliament were 3D laser holograms . There is no anti semetism in the Labour Party since he became leader. It’s a conspiracy. He is in fact a badly maligned normal chappie loved by the parliamentary Labour Party , Jews and victims of terrorism. A bit like Abbot who never actually said that every Ira attack was a victory against the state . No wait - she did say that cos she admitted it on the Andrew Marr show. Oh god it’s confusing. Must have been that body double the secret services use of her. Can’t trust anyone these days. Maybe it’s because she called for our security service to be disbanded is why they are trying to make her a tad foolish. This forum is wonderful ; I learn so much from you... thank you for putting me right So why do they keep voting him in as an MP? Perhaps Islington is a secret enclave of terrorist supporting lefty intellectuals who want to bring down the country and turn us all into communist drones? What do you think?" Couldn’t have put it better myself | |||
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"A vote for boris is a vote for shit on your hands And a vote for Corbyn is a vote for anti semetism , anti business, pro Russia, pro loony left policies, pro bankrupting the UK economy, pro Iran/Iraq , anti British forces , anti NATO, anti USA, pro terrorism, pro IRA, pro white feathers, pro criminals That myth is so busted dude! What you know cannot fit on the back of a postage stamp! Myth?... ha ha ha ha ha ha If you exclusively believe what's written in the Daily Mail or Daily Express over actual real life information. Then what hope is there! Yeah there has been a world wide conspiracy for 30 years against him!!!. Even when he was just a loony extreme lefty on the back benches , the media were just making up stories about him, Hansard was altered, tv interviews used doubles to stand in for him. Meetings he had with terrorist leaders also had a stand in. Terrorists he invited into the Houses of Parliament were 3D laser holograms . There is no anti semetism in the Labour Party since he became leader. It’s a conspiracy. He is in fact a badly maligned normal chappie loved by the parliamentary Labour Party , Jews and victims of terrorism. A bit like Abbot who never actually said that every Ira attack was a victory against the state . No wait - she did say that cos she admitted it on the Andrew Marr show. Oh god it’s confusing. Must have been that body double the secret services use of her. Can’t trust anyone these days. Maybe it’s because she called for our security service to be disbanded is why they are trying to make her a tad foolish. This forum is wonderful ; I learn so much from you... thank you for putting me right This is a poor quality rant. I assume you're trying to be sarcastic. But honestly I am struggling to find any meaningful content. My main point seems to be proved though. Someone who blindly believes anything they read in the mainstream media without thought or question is beyond any form of reasoned debate. There is plenty wrong with Labours manifesto, but this gets lost amongst the absolute bullshit that's printed about Corbyn. Ironically this just makes genuine criticism easy for his supporters to ignore. They just lump it in with the bollocks about him being a terrorist sympathiser etc." He is not actually a terrorist sympathiser. He is a terrorist supporter. Recorded at numerous meeting of troops out and NORAID. I know - I was there | |||
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"A vote for boris is a vote for shit on your hands And a vote for Corbyn is a vote for anti semetism , anti business, pro Russia, pro loony left policies, pro bankrupting the UK economy, pro Iran/Iraq , anti British forces , anti NATO, anti USA, pro terrorism, pro IRA, pro white feathers, pro criminals That myth is so busted dude! What you know cannot fit on the back of a postage stamp! Myth?... ha ha ha ha ha ha If you exclusively believe what's written in the Daily Mail or Daily Express over actual real life information. Then what hope is there! Yeah there has been a world wide conspiracy for 30 years against him!!!. Even when he was just a loony extreme lefty on the back benches , the media were just making up stories about him, Hansard was altered, tv interviews used doubles to stand in for him. Meetings he had with terrorist leaders also had a stand in. Terrorists he invited into the Houses of Parliament were 3D laser holograms . There is no anti semetism in the Labour Party since he became leader. It’s a conspiracy. He is in fact a badly maligned normal chappie loved by the parliamentary Labour Party , Jews and victims of terrorism. A bit like Abbot who never actually said that every Ira attack was a victory against the state . No wait - she did say that cos she admitted it on the Andrew Marr show. Oh god it’s confusing. Must have been that body double the secret services use of her. Can’t trust anyone these days. Maybe it’s because she called for our security service to be disbanded is why they are trying to make her a tad foolish. This forum is wonderful ; I learn so much from you... thank you for putting me right This is a poor quality rant. I assume you're trying to be sarcastic. But honestly I am struggling to find any meaningful content. My main point seems to be proved though. Someone who blindly believes anything they read in the mainstream media without thought or question is beyond any form of reasoned debate. There is plenty wrong with Labours manifesto, but this gets lost amongst the absolute bullshit that's printed about Corbyn. Ironically this just makes genuine criticism easy for his supporters to ignore. They just lump it in with the bollocks about him being a terrorist sympathiser etc. He is not actually a terrorist sympathiser. He is a terrorist supporter. Recorded at numerous meeting of troops out and NORAID. I know - I was there" Is your name bond, james bond? | |||
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"A vote for boris is a vote for shit on your hands And a vote for Corbyn is a vote for anti semetism , anti business, pro Russia, pro loony left policies, pro bankrupting the UK economy, pro Iran/Iraq , anti British forces , anti NATO, anti USA, pro terrorism, pro IRA, pro white feathers, pro criminals That myth is so busted dude! What you know cannot fit on the back of a postage stamp! Myth?... ha ha ha ha ha ha If you exclusively believe what's written in the Daily Mail or Daily Express over actual real life information. Then what hope is there! Yeah there has been a world wide conspiracy for 30 years against him!!!. Even when he was just a loony extreme lefty on the back benches , the media were just making up stories about him, Hansard was altered, tv interviews used doubles to stand in for him. Meetings he had with terrorist leaders also had a stand in. Terrorists he invited into the Houses of Parliament were 3D laser holograms . There is no anti semetism in the Labour Party since he became leader. It’s a conspiracy. He is in fact a badly maligned normal chappie loved by the parliamentary Labour Party , Jews and victims of terrorism. A bit like Abbot who never actually said that every Ira attack was a victory against the state . No wait - she did say that cos she admitted it on the Andrew Marr show. Oh god it’s confusing. Must have been that body double the secret services use of her. Can’t trust anyone these days. Maybe it’s because she called for our security service to be disbanded is why they are trying to make her a tad foolish. This forum is wonderful ; I learn so much from you... thank you for putting me right This is a poor quality rant. I assume you're trying to be sarcastic. But honestly I am struggling to find any meaningful content. My main point seems to be proved though. Someone who blindly believes anything they read in the mainstream media without thought or question is beyond any form of reasoned debate. There is plenty wrong with Labours manifesto, but this gets lost amongst the absolute bullshit that's printed about Corbyn. Ironically this just makes genuine criticism easy for his supporters to ignore. They just lump it in with the bollocks about him being a terrorist sympathiser etc. He is not actually a terrorist sympathiser. He is a terrorist supporter. Recorded at numerous meeting of troops out and NORAID. I know - I was there Is your name bond, james bond? "Lol. James seems to be obsessing about one thing that happened that's been twisted out of all meaning, while ignoring every other politician who has spoken to "terrorists" and ignoring the Tory party policies of selling bombs to the Saudis to drop onto schools, weddings and funerals in Yemen. It's not healthy. | |||
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"Pick something from the Daily Mash list of excuses: What's your pathetic excuse for voting for Boris Johnson? 10th December 2019 DESPITE widespread agreement that he’s a lying twat, millions of people still intend to vote for Boris Johnson. What’s your depressing justification? Immigrants It’s not entirely clear how immigrants are harming the average Brit. But that’s what it’s about, isn’t it? As Brexiters like to say, ‘We’re full’. Yes we are. Of disingenuous kn*bheads pretending it’s not about immigrants. The NHS If you believe Boris Johnson on the NHS you may as well believe in anything, eg. a six-foot rabbit is coming to buy you a house and he’ll look after the kids with a delicious but healthy meal on the table every day at 6pm. Thanks, imaginary giant bunny! You’ve got my vote! Boris is fun The evil clown Pennywise from It is fun. He’s spooky, deranged and says moderately amusing things. However you probably wouldn’t want Pennywise to run the country. Unless the other option was Jeremy Corbyn. Tories are good at the economy If you believe this: f**k off. Without an in-depth discussion of Keynesian economic orthodoxy, which no one wants in the morning, every indicator suggests Tories are not very good on economics. It’s like saying murderers are great at managing end-of-life care. Labour are rubbish Jeremy Corbyn’s failure to connect with the electorate could be debated, or indeed go on, for about 200 years. Is he worse than Boris? No. Freedom of speech on campus and golliwogs and whatever If your only points of reference are propaganda from the Sun and Telegraph then you are totally right to vote for this idiot, and cannot be challenged." There is a problem with immigration when there is a lack of infrastructure to support the number of people here . School places , housing ,roads and transport , GP appointments , nhs maybe underfunded but could also be its not able to cope with a dramatic rise in population. Some immigrants come here to work and contribute but some are here for an easy ride and im sorry but we have enough people born here who have and are making a career out of been on the dole and having kids. Under cornyn these people would prosper and i think people should earn and contribute , you can not expect things for free. | |||
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"Pick something from the Daily Mash list of excuses: What's your pathetic excuse for voting for Boris Johnson? 10th December 2019 DESPITE widespread agreement that he’s a lying twat, millions of people still intend to vote for Boris Johnson. What’s your depressing justification? Immigrants It’s not entirely clear how immigrants are harming the average Brit. But that’s what it’s about, isn’t it? As Brexiters like to say, ‘We’re full’. Yes we are. Of disingenuous kn*bheads pretending it’s not about immigrants. The NHS If you believe Boris Johnson on the NHS you may as well believe in anything, eg. a six-foot rabbit is coming to buy you a house and he’ll look after the kids with a delicious but healthy meal on the table every day at 6pm. Thanks, imaginary giant bunny! You’ve got my vote! Boris is fun The evil clown Pennywise from It is fun. He’s spooky, deranged and says moderately amusing things. However you probably wouldn’t want Pennywise to run the country. Unless the other option was Jeremy Corbyn. Tories are good at the economy If you believe this: f**k off. Without an in-depth discussion of Keynesian economic orthodoxy, which no one wants in the morning, every indicator suggests Tories are not very good on economics. It’s like saying murderers are great at managing end-of-life care. Labour are rubbish Jeremy Corbyn’s failure to connect with the electorate could be debated, or indeed go on, for about 200 years. Is he worse than Boris? No. Freedom of speech on campus and golliwogs and whatever If your only points of reference are propaganda from the Sun and Telegraph then you are totally right to vote for this idiot, and cannot be challenged. There is a problem with immigration when there is a lack of infrastructure to support the number of people here . School places , housing ,roads and transport , GP appointments , nhs maybe underfunded but could also be its not able to cope with a dramatic rise in population. Some immigrants come here to work and contribute but some are here for an easy ride and im sorry but we have enough people born here who have and are making a career out of been on the dole and having kids. Under cornyn these people would prosper and i think people should earn and contribute , you can not expect things for free. " How many are here for a "free ride"? What proportion? Why aren't we controlling non-EU immigration? We always could and it's far higher? What will change? The government will be the same. Why aren't we controlling EU immigration as we can now? Are immigrants causing pressure on the NHS? The young, healthy workers paying into system? Not our aging population with multiple illnesses, living for longer? Crumbling infrastructure nothing to do with budget cuts and massive lack of investment? Mainly due to more people using it? Provide some data and it's possible to understand your position. Just saying something that is widely repeated doesn't make it true. Something other than The Mail an Telegraph or Sun or Express, Guardian or Mirror. | |||
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"If you were recruiting, would you hire an employee who'd been sacked from two of his previous employers for lying and lies directly to your face? It's a yes/no answer. Mine is no. That at least narrows the field. If you're a remainer would you vote for someone who has consistently voted against the EU? If you're a leaver would you vote for someone who is going to sell you down the river? Cannot answer then? Yes/no to employing a known liar? Implicitly you are saying yes you would. Why's that so hard to write? I would consider voting for Corbyn as his EU policy is to follow through whichever option is decided on a second referendum bases on a known deal. You just complained about it. The majority of the Labour party membership and it's MPs are pro-remain. How can you be "sold down the river" if there is another referendum based on confirmed options? It's not that I cannot answer. I'm voting for neither of them. But if you were to ask me if there was a choice only between those two fuckwits, which one I would rather not see in No 10? In would have to be Corbyn. Corbyn was only, is only, and will only ever be nothing more than a protest politician. It's very easy to criticise others, even vkting against your own 500 times, from the sidelines. But to lead you must be able to lead, to inspire, to show direction, to make the hard decisions... And he has proven himself to be spectacularly unable to do that in the non-commital answers he gives. Plus, he can't even put his glasses on straight. What makes you believe that I'm voting for Corbyn. At the very least Corbyn has been consistent with his views, even if many of them are unrealistic or wrong-headed. Bojer lies or changes his position to suit himself. He supported May's deal, quit then negotiated a "new" deal that's almost identical just slightly worse. Your measure of "character" is different to mine." Try reading my post... Where have I at all, anywhere, said that I believe you're voting for Corbyn? I've already said I'm voting for neither of them. | |||
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"If you were recruiting, would you hire an employee who'd been sacked from two of his previous employers for lying and lies directly to your face? It's a yes/no answer. Mine is no. That at least narrows the field. If you're a remainer would you vote for someone who has consistently voted against the EU? If you're a leaver would you vote for someone who is going to sell you down the river? Cannot answer then? Yes/no to employing a known liar? Implicitly you are saying yes you would. Why's that so hard to write? I would consider voting for Corbyn as his EU policy is to follow through whichever option is decided on a second referendum bases on a known deal. You just complained about it. The majority of the Labour party membership and it's MPs are pro-remain. How can you be "sold down the river" if there is another referendum based on confirmed options? It's not that I cannot answer. I'm voting for neither of them. But if you were to ask me if there was a choice only between those two fuckwits, which one I would rather not see in No 10? In would have to be Corbyn. Corbyn was only, is only, and will only ever be nothing more than a protest politician. It's very easy to criticise others, even vkting against your own 500 times, from the sidelines. But to lead you must be able to lead, to inspire, to show direction, to make the hard decisions... And he has proven himself to be spectacularly unable to do that in the non-commital answers he gives. Plus, he can't even put his glasses on straight. What makes you believe that I'm voting for Corbyn. At the very least Corbyn has been consistent with his views, even if many of them are unrealistic or wrong-headed. Bojer lies or changes his position to suit himself. He supported May's deal, quit then negotiated a "new" deal that's almost identical just slightly worse. Your measure of "character" is different to mine. Try reading my post... Where have I at all, anywhere, said that I believe you're voting for Corbyn? I've already said I'm voting for neither of them." I read your post. I making the point that you don't need to trash Corbyn to me. Corbyn is consistent and gives a crap, even if wrong headed. Johnson lies for convenience and doesn't give a crap. The point is, it seems that how I view character is different to you. I'd rather have Corbyn if I had to choose. | |||
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"For a leader , a PM to not have an opinion on the biggest political issue in modern times is criminal. It’s pathetic Sometimes its better to be objective than subjective. In this case, being neutral and following the wishes of the people, instead of trying to persuading someone either way is good. I think that is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard anyone say. We are talking about a politician . A potential prime minister . Politicians have policies . Governments govern. Did you not know this?. Do you not know how countries are run ?... jeez I am sorry to see your lack of faith in people has led you down your particular path. All I can say to you is this. Consider that there are times when all the options before you would cause further conflict, maybe its time for change, maybe there has to be a way to ensure there peace, but it means that the best position is no position. This is that time. It better to break the cycle, Just as in NI those leaders decided the cycle needed to be broken, for the sake of peace. It takes a strong person to accept that they cannot fix the problem unless they get help. A weaker person will continue to tread the same path, make the same mistakes over and over again and never ask for help. Who would you rather follow? Not you or Corbyn that’s for sure. An indecisive leader is not a leader at all" | |||
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"For a leader , a PM to not have an opinion on the biggest political issue in modern times is criminal. It’s pathetic Sometimes its better to be objective than subjective. In this case, being neutral and following the wishes of the people, instead of trying to persuading someone either way is good. I think that is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard anyone say. We are talking about a politician . A potential prime minister . Politicians have policies . Governments govern. Did you not know this?. Do you not know how countries are run ?... jeez I am sorry to see your lack of faith in people has led you down your particular path. All I can say to you is this. Consider that there are times when all the options before you would cause further conflict, maybe its time for change, maybe there has to be a way to ensure there peace, but it means that the best position is no position. This is that time. It better to break the cycle, Just as in NI those leaders decided the cycle needed to be broken, for the sake of peace. It takes a strong person to accept that they cannot fix the problem unless they get help. A weaker person will continue to tread the same path, make the same mistakes over and over again and never ask for help. Who would you rather follow? Not you or Corbyn that’s for sure. An indecisive leader is not a leader at all "Johnson did decisively go and hide in a fridge today
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"If you were recruiting, would you hire an employee who'd been sacked from two of his previous employers for lying and lies directly to your face? It's a yes/no answer. Mine is no. That at least narrows the field. If you're a remainer would you vote for someone who has consistently voted against the EU? If you're a leaver would you vote for someone who is going to sell you down the river? Cannot answer then? Yes/no to employing a known liar? Implicitly you are saying yes you would. Why's that so hard to write? I would consider voting for Corbyn as his EU policy is to follow through whichever option is decided on a second referendum bases on a known deal. You just complained about it. The majority of the Labour party membership and it's MPs are pro-remain. How can you be "sold down the river" if there is another referendum based on confirmed options? It's not that I cannot answer. I'm voting for neither of them. But if you were to ask me if there was a choice only between those two fuckwits, which one I would rather not see in No 10? In would have to be Corbyn. Corbyn was only, is only, and will only ever be nothing more than a protest politician. It's very easy to criticise others, even vkting against your own 500 times, from the sidelines. But to lead you must be able to lead, to inspire, to show direction, to make the hard decisions... And he has proven himself to be spectacularly unable to do that in the non-commital answers he gives. Plus, he can't even put his glasses on straight. What makes you believe that I'm voting for Corbyn. At the very least Corbyn has been consistent with his views, even if many of them are unrealistic or wrong-headed. Bojer lies or changes his position to suit himself. He supported May's deal, quit then negotiated a "new" deal that's almost identical just slightly worse. Your measure of "character" is different to mine. Try reading my post... Where have I at all, anywhere, said that I believe you're voting for Corbyn? I've already said I'm voting for neither of them. I read your post. I making the point that you don't need to trash Corbyn to me. Corbyn is consistent and gives a crap, even if wrong headed. Johnson lies for convenience and doesn't give a crap. The point is, it seems that how I view character is different to you. I'd rather have Corbyn if I had to choose." You asked me what makes me believe that you're voting for Corbyn... I've not said that I believe you are at all... And now you're trying to twist what you said.... No wonder you believe Corbyn has principles and character... | |||
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"If you were recruiting, would you hire an employee who'd been sacked from two of his previous employers for lying and lies directly to your face? It's a yes/no answer. Mine is no. That at least narrows the field. If you're a remainer would you vote for someone who has consistently voted against the EU? If you're a leaver would you vote for someone who is going to sell you down the river? Cannot answer then? Yes/no to employing a known liar? Implicitly you are saying yes you would. Why's that so hard to write? I would consider voting for Corbyn as his EU policy is to follow through whichever option is decided on a second referendum bases on a known deal. You just complained about it. The majority of the Labour party membership and it's MPs are pro-remain. How can you be "sold down the river" if there is another referendum based on confirmed options? It's not that I cannot answer. I'm voting for neither of them. But if you were to ask me if there was a choice only between those two fuckwits, which one I would rather not see in No 10? In would have to be Corbyn. Corbyn was only, is only, and will only ever be nothing more than a protest politician. It's very easy to criticise others, even vkting against your own 500 times, from the sidelines. But to lead you must be able to lead, to inspire, to show direction, to make the hard decisions... And he has proven himself to be spectacularly unable to do that in the non-commital answers he gives. Plus, he can't even put his glasses on straight. What makes you believe that I'm voting for Corbyn. At the very least Corbyn has been consistent with his views, even if many of them are unrealistic or wrong-headed. Bojer lies or changes his position to suit himself. He supported May's deal, quit then negotiated a "new" deal that's almost identical just slightly worse. Your measure of "character" is different to mine. Try reading my post... Where have I at all, anywhere, said that I believe you're voting for Corbyn? I've already said I'm voting for neither of them. I read your post. I making the point that you don't need to trash Corbyn to me. Corbyn is consistent and gives a crap, even if wrong headed. Johnson lies for convenience and doesn't give a crap. The point is, it seems that how I view character is different to you. I'd rather have Corbyn if I had to choose. You asked me what makes me believe that you're voting for Corbyn... I've not said that I believe you are at all... And now you're trying to twist what you said.... No wonder you believe Corbyn has principles and character..." Sigh. I repeated what I said. "Twist" seems to be an accusation bandied around quite a lot. It usually implies that someone chose to interpret something in a particular way that was different to someone else's. My original question wasn't answered: 'How can you be "sold down the river" if there is another referendum based on confirmed options?' The substantive point after that was, rather than bickering about who asked what of whom and why is: Boris lies regularly and for his convenience and really does not appear to give a toss about anyone except himself. Corbyn seems to be consistent in his views and appears to want to do something for other people. His methods and policies may or may not achieve this but there appears to be positive intent. Do you agree or disagree with that? | |||
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"If you were recruiting, would you hire an employee who'd been sacked from two of his previous employers for lying and lies directly to your face? It's a yes/no answer. Mine is no. That at least narrows the field. If you're a remainer would you vote for someone who has consistently voted against the EU? If you're a leaver would you vote for someone who is going to sell you down the river? Cannot answer then? Yes/no to employing a known liar? Implicitly you are saying yes you would. Why's that so hard to write? I would consider voting for Corbyn as his EU policy is to follow through whichever option is decided on a second referendum bases on a known deal. You just complained about it. The majority of the Labour party membership and it's MPs are pro-remain. How can you be "sold down the river" if there is another referendum based on confirmed options? It's not that I cannot answer. I'm voting for neither of them. But if you were to ask me if there was a choice only between those two fuckwits, which one I would rather not see in No 10? In would have to be Corbyn. Corbyn was only, is only, and will only ever be nothing more than a protest politician. It's very easy to criticise others, even vkting against your own 500 times, from the sidelines. But to lead you must be able to lead, to inspire, to show direction, to make the hard decisions... And he has proven himself to be spectacularly unable to do that in the non-commital answers he gives. Plus, he can't even put his glasses on straight. What makes you believe that I'm voting for Corbyn. At the very least Corbyn has been consistent with his views, even if many of them are unrealistic or wrong-headed. Bojer lies or changes his position to suit himself. He supported May's deal, quit then negotiated a "new" deal that's almost identical just slightly worse. Your measure of "character" is different to mine. Try reading my post... Where have I at all, anywhere, said that I believe you're voting for Corbyn? I've already said I'm voting for neither of them. I read your post. I making the point that you don't need to trash Corbyn to me. Corbyn is consistent and gives a crap, even if wrong headed. Johnson lies for convenience and doesn't give a crap. The point is, it seems that how I view character is different to you. I'd rather have Corbyn if I had to choose. You asked me what makes me believe that you're voting for Corbyn... I've not said that I believe you are at all... And now you're trying to twist what you said.... No wonder you believe Corbyn has principles and character... Sigh. I repeated what I said. "Twist" seems to be an accusation bandied around quite a lot. It usually implies that someone chose to interpret something in a particular way that was different to someone else's. My original question wasn't answered: 'How can you be "sold down the river" if there is another referendum based on confirmed options?' The substantive point after that was, rather than bickering about who asked what of whom and why is: Boris lies regularly and for his convenience and really does not appear to give a toss about anyone except himself. Corbyn seems to be consistent in his views and appears to want to do something for other people. His methods and policies may or may not achieve this but there appears to be positive intent. Do you agree or disagree with that?" "The train was full" "I wasn't at that funeral" "Only those earning over £80,000 will pay more tax" "I never met the IRA" "I never said Article 50 should be immediately invoked" "I never had higher education of any sort" "There shouldn't be any more appointments to the House of Lords" a few days before nominating Shami Chakribarti. "I watch the Queen's speech in the morning" "Labour party membership is tge biggest it's ever been" "Every single anti-semitism case in the party has been dealt with" But never mind, Corbyn is now fucked. | |||
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"If you were recruiting, would you hire an employee who'd been sacked from two of his previous employers for lying and lies directly to your face? It's a yes/no answer. Mine is no. That at least narrows the field. If you're a remainer would you vote for someone who has consistently voted against the EU? If you're a leaver would you vote for someone who is going to sell you down the river? Cannot answer then? Yes/no to employing a known liar? Implicitly you are saying yes you would. Why's that so hard to write? I would consider voting for Corbyn as his EU policy is to follow through whichever option is decided on a second referendum bases on a known deal. You just complained about it. The majority of the Labour party membership and it's MPs are pro-remain. How can you be "sold down the river" if there is another referendum based on confirmed options? It's not that I cannot answer. I'm voting for neither of them. But if you were to ask me if there was a choice only between those two fuckwits, which one I would rather not see in No 10? In would have to be Corbyn. Corbyn was only, is only, and will only ever be nothing more than a protest politician. It's very easy to criticise others, even vkting against your own 500 times, from the sidelines. But to lead you must be able to lead, to inspire, to show direction, to make the hard decisions... And he has proven himself to be spectacularly unable to do that in the non-commital answers he gives. Plus, he can't even put his glasses on straight. What makes you believe that I'm voting for Corbyn. At the very least Corbyn has been consistent with his views, even if many of them are unrealistic or wrong-headed. Bojer lies or changes his position to suit himself. He supported May's deal, quit then negotiated a "new" deal that's almost identical just slightly worse. Your measure of "character" is different to mine. Try reading my post... Where have I at all, anywhere, said that I believe you're voting for Corbyn? I've already said I'm voting for neither of them. I read your post. I making the point that you don't need to trash Corbyn to me. Corbyn is consistent and gives a crap, even if wrong headed. Johnson lies for convenience and doesn't give a crap. The point is, it seems that how I view character is different to you. I'd rather have Corbyn if I had to choose. You asked me what makes me believe that you're voting for Corbyn... I've not said that I believe you are at all... And now you're trying to twist what you said.... No wonder you believe Corbyn has principles and character... Sigh. I repeated what I said. "Twist" seems to be an accusation bandied around quite a lot. It usually implies that someone chose to interpret something in a particular way that was different to someone else's. My original question wasn't answered: 'How can you be "sold down the river" if there is another referendum based on confirmed options?' The substantive point after that was, rather than bickering about who asked what of whom and why is: Boris lies regularly and for his convenience and really does not appear to give a toss about anyone except himself. Corbyn seems to be consistent in his views and appears to want to do something for other people. His methods and policies may or may not achieve this but there appears to be positive intent. Do you agree or disagree with that? "The train was full" "I wasn't at that funeral" "Only those earning over £80,000 will pay more tax" "I never met the IRA" "I never said Article 50 should be immediately invoked" "I never had higher education of any sort" "There shouldn't be any more appointments to the House of Lords" a few days before nominating Shami Chakribarti. "I watch the Queen's speech in the morning" "Labour party membership is tge biggest it's ever been" "Every single anti-semitism case in the party has been dealt with" But never mind, Corbyn is now fucked. "
Bye bye Corbyn
Bye bye mcdonnel
Bye bye abbot
Bye bye labour
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"If you were recruiting, would you hire an employee who'd been sacked from two of his previous employers for lying and lies directly to your face? It's a yes/no answer. Mine is no. That at least narrows the field. If you're a remainer would you vote for someone who has consistently voted against the EU? If you're a leaver would you vote for someone who is going to sell you down the river? Cannot answer then? Yes/no to employing a known liar? Implicitly you are saying yes you would. Why's that so hard to write? I would consider voting for Corbyn as his EU policy is to follow through whichever option is decided on a second referendum bases on a known deal. You just complained about it. The majority of the Labour party membership and it's MPs are pro-remain. How can you be "sold down the river" if there is another referendum based on confirmed options? It's not that I cannot answer. I'm voting for neither of them. But if you were to ask me if there was a choice only between those two fuckwits, which one I would rather not see in No 10? In would have to be Corbyn. Corbyn was only, is only, and will only ever be nothing more than a protest politician. It's very easy to criticise others, even vkting against your own 500 times, from the sidelines. But to lead you must be able to lead, to inspire, to show direction, to make the hard decisions... And he has proven himself to be spectacularly unable to do that in the non-commital answers he gives. Plus, he can't even put his glasses on straight. What makes you believe that I'm voting for Corbyn. At the very least Corbyn has been consistent with his views, even if many of them are unrealistic or wrong-headed. Bojer lies or changes his position to suit himself. He supported May's deal, quit then negotiated a "new" deal that's almost identical just slightly worse. Your measure of "character" is different to mine. Try reading my post... Where have I at all, anywhere, said that I believe you're voting for Corbyn? I've already said I'm voting for neither of them. I read your post. I making the point that you don't need to trash Corbyn to me. Corbyn is consistent and gives a crap, even if wrong headed. Johnson lies for convenience and doesn't give a crap. The point is, it seems that how I view character is different to you. I'd rather have Corbyn if I had to choose. You asked me what makes me believe that you're voting for Corbyn... I've not said that I believe you are at all... And now you're trying to twist what you said.... No wonder you believe Corbyn has principles and character... Sigh. I repeated what I said. "Twist" seems to be an accusation bandied around quite a lot. It usually implies that someone chose to interpret something in a particular way that was different to someone else's. My original question wasn't answered: 'How can you be "sold down the river" if there is another referendum based on confirmed options?' The substantive point after that was, rather than bickering about who asked what of whom and why is: Boris lies regularly and for his convenience and really does not appear to give a toss about anyone except himself. Corbyn seems to be consistent in his views and appears to want to do something for other people. His methods and policies may or may not achieve this but there appears to be positive intent. Do you agree or disagree with that? "The train was full" "I wasn't at that funeral" "Only those earning over £80,000 will pay more tax" "I never met the IRA" "I never said Article 50 should be immediately invoked" "I never had higher education of any sort" "There shouldn't be any more appointments to the House of Lords" a few days before nominating Shami Chakribarti. "I watch the Queen's speech in the morning" "Labour party membership is tge biggest it's ever been" "Every single anti-semitism case in the party has been dealt with" But never mind, Corbyn is now fucked. " Corbyn is fucked, as are the rest of us. I said that he was consistent in his views not that he doesn't prevaricate and dissemble like any politician. No time or inclination to fact check. There generally tends to be a gap between your statements and reality. "Boris lies regularly and for his convenience and really does not appear to give a toss about anyone except himself." No argument with that? He won though. Bigly. That says rather a lot about both Corbyn and our country. | |||
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"If you were recruiting, would you hire an employee who'd been sacked from two of his previous employers for lying and lies directly to your face? It's a yes/no answer. Mine is no. That at least narrows the field. If you're a remainer would you vote for someone who has consistently voted against the EU? If you're a leaver would you vote for someone who is going to sell you down the river? Cannot answer then? Yes/no to employing a known liar? Implicitly you are saying yes you would. Why's that so hard to write? I would consider voting for Corbyn as his EU policy is to follow through whichever option is decided on a second referendum bases on a known deal. You just complained about it. The majority of the Labour party membership and it's MPs are pro-remain. How can you be "sold down the river" if there is another referendum based on confirmed options? It's not that I cannot answer. I'm voting for neither of them. But if you were to ask me if there was a choice only between those two fuckwits, which one I would rather not see in No 10? In would have to be Corbyn. Corbyn was only, is only, and will only ever be nothing more than a protest politician. It's very easy to criticise others, even vkting against your own 500 times, from the sidelines. But to lead you must be able to lead, to inspire, to show direction, to make the hard decisions... And he has proven himself to be spectacularly unable to do that in the non-commital answers he gives. Plus, he can't even put his glasses on straight. What makes you believe that I'm voting for Corbyn. At the very least Corbyn has been consistent with his views, even if many of them are unrealistic or wrong-headed. Bojer lies or changes his position to suit himself. He supported May's deal, quit then negotiated a "new" deal that's almost identical just slightly worse. Your measure of "character" is different to mine. Try reading my post... Where have I at all, anywhere, said that I believe you're voting for Corbyn? I've already said I'm voting for neither of them. I read your post. I making the point that you don't need to trash Corbyn to me. Corbyn is consistent and gives a crap, even if wrong headed. Johnson lies for convenience and doesn't give a crap. The point is, it seems that how I view character is different to you. I'd rather have Corbyn if I had to choose. You asked me what makes me believe that you're voting for Corbyn... I've not said that I believe you are at all... And now you're trying to twist what you said.... No wonder you believe Corbyn has principles and character... Sigh. I repeated what I said. "Twist" seems to be an accusation bandied around quite a lot. It usually implies that someone chose to interpret something in a particular way that was different to someone else's. My original question wasn't answered: 'How can you be "sold down the river" if there is another referendum based on confirmed options?' The substantive point after that was, rather than bickering about who asked what of whom and why is: Boris lies regularly and for his convenience and really does not appear to give a toss about anyone except himself. Corbyn seems to be consistent in his views and appears to want to do something for other people. His methods and policies may or may not achieve this but there appears to be positive intent. Do you agree or disagree with that? "The train was full" "I wasn't at that funeral" "Only those earning over £80,000 will pay more tax" "I never met the IRA" "I never said Article 50 should be immediately invoked" "I never had higher education of any sort" "There shouldn't be any more appointments to the House of Lords" a few days before nominating Shami Chakribarti. "I watch the Queen's speech in the morning" "Labour party membership is tge biggest it's ever been" "Every single anti-semitism case in the party has been dealt with" But never mind, Corbyn is now fucked.
Bye bye Corbyn
Bye bye mcdonnel
Bye bye abbot
Bye bye labour
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