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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Why is fear of the unknown worse than fear of the known?

It seems clear that the Tories are awful. We've seen plenty of proof of this from their actions in government. Yet many people genuinely seem to fear the unknown possibilities if somebody else gains power.

Why do people think a possibility of something bad is scarier than a certainty of something bad?

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

You mean like fear of leaving the eu that’s fear of the unknown lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"You mean like fear of leaving the eu that’s fear of the unknown lol"

lol

I was obviously talking about the election.

It's not quite the same situation with the EU. We weren't suffering under the yoke of the EU, despite what certain right wing papers claimed. Their lies are easily debunked with facts and google.

And we have mounting evidence that leaving the EU would be incredibly damaging for us. So leaving provokes fear of the known at this point.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"You mean like fear of leaving the eu that’s fear of the unknown lol

lol

I was obviously talking about the election.

It's not quite the same situation with the EU. We weren't suffering under the yoke of the EU, despite what certain right wing papers claimed. Their lies are easily debunked with facts and google.

And we have mounting evidence that leaving the EU would be incredibly damaging for us. So leaving provokes fear of the known at this point."
Fact last labour government bankrupted the country therefore due to labour we had to have austerity.

Fact under all labour goverments unemployment increased and productivity falls.Fact country has allways got poorer under a labour government.Fact the gap between rich and poor grows under all labour goverments.

Fact the countries with the biggest gaps between rich and poor are the socialistic communist countries where only the elite few have any wealth.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


".Fact last labour government bankrupted the country therefore due to labour we had to have austerity."

Fake facts here.

Conservative chancellors since 2010 have borrowed more money than every single Labour chancellor in history put together.

When Labour left office in 2010, national debt was 65% of GDP.

After a decade of Conservative rule, national debt is 85% of GDP.

While imposing austerity on the many, the Tories borrowed £1 trillion.

Where did the fucking money go?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You mean like fear of leaving the eu that’s fear of the unknown lol

lol

I was obviously talking about the election.

It's not quite the same situation with the EU. We weren't suffering under the yoke of the EU, despite what certain right wing papers claimed. Their lies are easily debunked with facts and google.

And we have mounting evidence that leaving the EU would be incredibly damaging for us. So leaving provokes fear of the known at this point.Fact last labour government bankrupted the country therefore due to labour we had to have austerity.

Fact under all labour goverments unemployment increased and productivity falls.Fact country has allways got poorer under a labour government.Fact the gap between rich and poor grows under all labour goverments.

Fact the countries with the biggest gaps between rich and poor are the socialistic communist countries where only the elite few have any wealth."

Oh, cso the greedy bankers didn't help or the world banking crisis?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"You mean like fear of leaving the eu that’s fear of the unknown lol

lol

I was obviously talking about the election.

It's not quite the same situation with the EU. We weren't suffering under the yoke of the EU, despite what certain right wing papers claimed. Their lies are easily debunked with facts and google.

And we have mounting evidence that leaving the EU would be incredibly damaging for us. So leaving provokes fear of the known at this point.Fact last labour government bankrupted the country therefore due to labour we had to have austerity.

Fact under all labour goverments unemployment increased and productivity falls.Fact country has allways got poorer under a labour government.Fact the gap between rich and poor grows under all labour goverments.

Fact the countries with the biggest gaps between rich and poor are the socialistic communist countries where only the elite few have any wealth."

The last Labour gov made mistakes but they did not bankrupt the country. There was a global financial crisis due to banks being greedy bastards. And the Tories enforced austerity for ideological reasons.

I don't remember unemployment going up during the last Labour gov either. And I was alive then. Productivity seemed fine too.

And poverty has increased a lot now after 9 years of Tory cuts and austerity. If Tory austerity was to "fix" the economy, shouldn't we all be better off now?

As for the gap between rich and poor: it's growing right now under the Tories.

And the USA is the richest country in the world. Yet the rich/poor divide is growing ever wider there. Apparently the richest 1% own more than the botttom 90%

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Austerity made the recovery weaker than it otherwise would have been, since it removed spending power from people who are most likely to spend - those with the least.

What we witnessed was a redistribution of wealth - the removal of resources from the lower rungs of society and their transfer, in the form of reductions in tax, to those at the higher end of the scale.

The effect was to starve the recovery of oxygen.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"You mean like fear of leaving the eu that’s fear of the unknown lol

lol

I was obviously talking about the election.

It's not quite the same situation with the EU. We weren't suffering under the yoke of the EU, despite what certain right wing papers claimed. Their lies are easily debunked with facts and google.

And we have mounting evidence that leaving the EU would be incredibly damaging for us. So leaving provokes fear of the known at this point.Fact last labour government bankrupted the country therefore due to labour we had to have austerity.

Fact under all labour goverments unemployment increased and productivity falls.Fact country has allways got poorer under a labour government.Fact the gap between rich and poor grows under all labour goverments.

Fact the countries with the biggest gaps between rich and poor are the socialistic communist countries where only the elite few have any wealth."

Some fact checking and interpretation required here.

Even that old chestnut about the global financial crisis 2008 trotted out as Labours cause

Come on, get real!! Labours plan for how to progress from that crash was held in high regard by others around the world, even if financially illiterate/innumerate uk citizens didn't manage to grasp it.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

One look at the C.V.s of the Conservative Party Ministers, one look at where their funding for elections comes from, and you quickly realise the Conservative Party is the political wing of the City of London.

It's a remarkable political infiltration that is summed up beautifully by Alexi Sayle:

"Austerity is the idea that the financial crash was caused by Wolverhampton having too many libraries."

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr


"One look at the C.V.s of the Conservative Party Ministers, one look at where their funding for elections comes from, and you quickly realise the Conservative Party is the political wing of the City of London.

It's a remarkable political infiltration that is summed up beautifully by Alexi Sayle:

"Austerity is the idea that the financial crash was caused by Wolverhampton having too many libraries."

"

Exactly. More people should visit his sandwich bar.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

Was Labour responsible for the crash in 2008? No it wasn't, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have any responsibility.

Labour had been in power for 10 years prior to the crash and was responsible for the banking legislative and regulatory framework in the lead up to it. You could argue that the Conservatives were actually pushing for further deregulation and if they had been in power the situation may have been worse but they weren't; Labour was in government and they made the rules and so must take responsibility for what happened. Doing so is part of what being democratically accountable is all about.

There are other problems we face now which are a result of decisions made by Brown and Blair. The changes to way pension funds are taxed has lead to billions of pounds being siphoned off by government, the selling of gold, and just not putting enough aside while times were good to help us out when things took a turn for the worse.

On the other hand Gordon Brown was instrumental in galvanising the world response to the crash and, if it hadn't been for his efforts on the world stage and in particular in the US, it's quite likely that the whole world would have slid into depression and things could have been a lot worse for all than they actually are or were.

As for austerity; austerity was actually started by Alistair Darling and was included in the Labour manifestos in both 2010 and 2015. If it wasn't necessary back then why was Labour including it in their manifestos? There's definitely an argument that the austerity was too tough and that it's gone on too long and that a lighter touch austerity may have lead to a quicker recovery, but to argue that we should have had no austerity and just carried on increasing both the debt and the deficit simply sounds like financial irresponsibility and, like I've already said, wasn't Labour policy at the time.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

If the crash was a result of Labour mismanagement, one has to wonder what the hell happened in the US, German, Italy etc?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


".Fact last labour government bankrupted the country therefore due to labour we had to have austerity.

Fake facts here.

Conservative chancellors since 2010 have borrowed more money than every single Labour chancellor in history put together.

When Labour left office in 2010, national debt was 65% of GDP.

After a decade of Conservative rule, national debt is 85% of GDP.

While imposing austerity on the many, the Tories borrowed £1 trillion.

Where did the fucking money go?

"
The economy is stronger now

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I'd fuckin' hope so - the crash was in 2007.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"Why is fear of the unknown worse than fear of the known?

It seems clear that the Tories are awful. We've seen plenty of proof of this from their actions in government. Yet many people genuinely seem to fear the unknown possibilities if somebody else gains power.

Why do people think a possibility of something bad is scarier than a certainty of something bad?"

Natural human reaction.

It is why things like racism, xenophobia, etc exist. Because people are naturally scared of what they don't know or understand.

-Matt

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